Thread 725154308

Is it possible to play fighting games without needing a books worth of information to read?

>>725154308 (OP)
I mean, you can.
You will get bodied 9 out 10 times, but you can.

>>725154308 (OP)
Yes, play arcade mode. If the cpu is kicking your ass, lower the difficulty.

>>725154414
how is that fun though?

>>725154308 (OP)
Just play SF6

>>725154602
It's not.
Fighting games in general are not fun unless you derive joy from learning and labcrafting.

Yeah just mash with your friends at the couch

>>725154308 (OP)
I was worried about it, bought Granblue and I've been having a great time, I just play Quick Matches and barely go to training besides to remind myself of the basic combos that I keep forgetting, now I kinda want to buy GG Strive and DoA 6.

>>725154308 (OP)
Fighting games from the 90s, sure. but modern ones have to many systems to just "jump into" and play.

>>725154308 (OP)
yes, just play someone of your own skill level

>>725155569
there's rarely any actual newbies playing fighting games outside of just sf6

>>725155815
there is

Fighting games are the worst genre for the average gamer. They take an insane amount of knowledge and they keep making them. If your game dies, have fun learning a new one.

>>725154759
Have you SEEN sf6?

>>725154308 (OP)
sure, but playing blind will make you not do optimal combos and use the wrong move in situations.

for actual competitive you need to put effort in.
if you just want to mash online and get mad you didn't win, you're a faggot.

>>725154308 (OP)
>i want fun thing but i want to put in zero effort
nothing works like that

>>725156981
>>725157067
>not wanting to spend a college doctorate worth of time studying a game just the begin engaging with it = being a retard wanting free gibs

>>725155815
There are at least four games right now with a healthy population of newbies
>SF6
>Tekken 8
>GG Strive
>2XKO

>>725157926
>2xkuso
LMAO

>>725154308 (OP)
Playing them well? No.

>>725154785
/thread

>>725154308 (OP)
Youll need to read and watch stuff. You dont need to binge novels daily though, just learn your characters neutral game, bnbs, oki, and match ups basically.

Its not that bad

>>725156689
>If your game dies, have fun learning a new one.
and they die within 2 months too, the average consoomer picks up le latest fightan game and then realize they don't like them and drop it right after

>>725154308 (OP)
wiki crawling autism isn't a good use of your time
playing is

>>725156689
disagree, at least fight games have sexy characters. RTS have all of the complexity but no boobs to keep you through the tough times of learning

>>725163556
You can still get matches in:

3rd strike, ssf2x, sfa2 and sfa3, kof 97, 98, 99, 00, 02, 02um

You can still get matches in plus r, xrd, and bbcf.

>>725164319
>braziliancade

>>725154414
>>725154602
It's fun if the game is popular enough to have enough players that there are opponents in various skill levels. Problem is, that's like 3 games. Most of them die quickly and the only people you'll match with are obsessed with that one particular game. Fighting game fags are like fags who only play mobas or hero shooters. They don't like video games, they like video game. The medium isn't their hobby, that one specific piece of media is. If you like to play 2 or more video games in you entire life, you won't enjoy trying to get into fighting games.

>>725164627
again, disagree. I love all types of games as well as competitive games

>>725154308 (OP)
Yes of course it is. How did you think people played fighting games before frame data was getting datamined. Not to mention that that modern fighting games are way more forgiving than older ones. Stop worrying about thing that don't even matter until you start playing at high level and start playing the game. You'll learn way more way faster and you might even have fun.

>>725154308 (OP)
Fighting games are "fun" in the same way that learning an instrument is fun, the fun part is the process of learning how to do it correctly. Fighting games just carry none of the social or intellectual benefits of music though, so keep that in mind

>>725165081
literally every fighting fag says you can't play without analyzing every detail of a single fighting game you want to play. The internet basically killed fighting games

>>725164627
/thread

>>725154308 (OP)
not at a high level, no. That's alright though, they're not for everyone. And I don't mean that from a hoity-toity "heh I'm better than you" way, I mean in a "not everyone will find that appealing" way.

>>725156689
>>725163556
A lot of fighting game related skills are transferable. You can develop a "game sense" for fighting games that will usually serve you no matter which one(s) you play.

Play random kusoge.

Play Pokken.

>>725166751
>character names have their own, distinct font
SOVL

>>725164319
Also umvc3 and usf4

>>725154308 (OP)
>without needing a books worth of information to read
You probably read more in a day online (anywhere on the net) than what you would need to memorize for any one of these games. Don't worry about it, just pick a character, play until you don't understand something, and then ask questions. If you can answer it with frame data, that's cool, but that's rarely the issue.

Just play. That's all that really matters.

>>725166864
It's pretty cool.

>>725165189
And there are FPS-fags that say you can't play without learning maps and recoil patterns, or MMO-fags that say you can't play without minmaxing your build and reading up on the mechanics for every encounter, or RTS-fags that say you can't play without learning build orders and macros. Every genre has it's share of loud dipshit tryhards that don't understand their own games. Ignore them and play the game, you'll learn way more and actually develop an understanding of how things work. If you get stuck, that's when you can ask for help or look up some frame data. As you would havew a much greater understanding of the context of what you're trying to achieve, the advice and the umber would actually mean something to you as opposed to just being text on a screen.

>>725167785
>And there are FPS-fags that say you can't play without learning maps and recoil patterns
the only way you learn those things is by playing while the only way you can learn a fighting game is by reading wiki pages. MMOs are slop and rts games are the only genre that's comparable to fighting games in terms of playability

>>725168586
>the only way you can learn a fighting game is by reading wiki pages
very wrong but it's alright if you continue to read wikis while I get stronger and continue to filter you

>>725168725
Pay him no mind, it's just the "you can't learn fighting games by playing!!" retard just doing his shtick.
I wish I could say he'll tire himself out eventually but he's been doing this shit for a while now.

>>725168725
>>725168825
other fighting fags in this very thread has said that you can't really play them without just reading wikis you retards

>>725169009
OK retard.

>>725168825
Every thread has a resident schizo these days, man... that's alright no amount of reading the wiki can prepare him for this

>>725169084
see here these posts here
>W-what!? y-you don't want to read wikis for 6 hours!? Le retard wanting free gibs!!!
>>725154414
>>725156981
>>725157067
>>725160782

>>725169273
kek
I only played Melty a few times like... 20 years ago? I liked the Iaido maid
Is any of the newer Melty Blood games active? Even if it is through Discord, I don't give a shit.

>>725168586
>>725169009
Yeah, people learned the parry timings in 3rd Strike or FRCs in Guilty Gear by "reading wikis" lmao.

Do you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously? Spouting stupid shit like a broken pipe at a sewer plant. It is incredibly obvious that you have never touched a fighting game in your life. Wikis don't do shit to teach people fighting games. None of those numbers mean anything if you don't already know how to play. The only way to know how to play is to play the fucking game. I don't understand why you find this so fucking difficult to understand. Even if we ignore the fact that fighting games have been around way longer than wikis have. Every single wiki was written by people in the community, people who know how to play the game. So tell me jackass, how did those people learn the game so they could write the wiki? They couldn't read the wiki as they hadn't written it yet, so how did they learn the game? Go on, tell me, I'll wait.

>>725169710
He's just pretending to be retarded so I'm sure he'll find a way to write some kind of idiotic retort to this, but I'm genuinely curious about how, you really are not making it easy for him.

>>725169387
What is this, fucking Reddit? Just because someone says something, it doesn't mean it's an absolute fact of this world. Are you seriously this much of a gullible fucking retard or are you "merely pretending"

>itt: scrub quotes and copes
Learning is fun
Improving is fun

>>725154308 (OP)
You can just flowchart your way after a 10 minute video of basic shit to the top 10% easily

>>725169875
Give him time mate, he just needs to read some more wikis so he can learn how to respond lmao.

>>725170332
kek

>>725169710
you literally can't know how to play because literally every single autistic detail you need to know is very obscure most of the time even with parrying you learn it 5x faster by studying every single attack and which is what type of attack it is to know how to parry it in the first place
>how did people play them without wikis
wikis accelerated its demise tenfold. back then you would just have to autistically analyze it at the arcade with the stash of change you had

>>725169949
It means you fgc fags have no real consistant answer

>>725170520
How about you play the fucking games yourself and come up with your own answer?

>>725170520
>you fgc fags
this is /v/

>>725170914
you fgc fags on /v/
>>725170678
there's no decent way in fighting games to actually learn the mechanics to play, nothing to help a newbie go from mashing to actually know what he's doing.

>>725154308 (OP)
360+P
that's all you need

>>725171051
>nothing to help a newbie go from mashing to actually know what he's doing
do you really believe this?

>>725171093
maybe instead of making a nothing reply like a redditor you can actually make an argument

>>725154308 (OP)
This is obviously an insincere thread, but yes.

>>725171148
>le reddit
lol

Your brain and fingers need to be working at the same speed. No amount of wiki reading will ingrain your moves and defensive reactions.

>>725154308 (OP)
Yes, and you can even perform well enough in high tier casual. But you'll reach a point, where your mixups are known to be fake, your pressure is known to be fake, and everything you did prior was unoptimal and poor.

Then you get to make the choice of either learn the game and eventually come to hate it, either due to the pressures of higher tier gameplay or your own mistakes because you realize what you are doing wrong now, OR you stick in high tier casual where you understand you suck and eventually drop the game before it gets to you.

>>725154308 (OP)
yea nigga just play SF on the SNES emulator on your phone while you're out pinching loafs
it ain't that serious

>>725154308 (OP)
find someone at your skill level and play with them dumbass or get a friend to play some old shit you both have never played before and play that shit together its not that hard

>>725170460
Ah yes, Parrying, the obscure 3rd Strike mechanic lmao. Every single time you post, all you accomplish is proving that you have never touched a fighting game in your life. You have no idea what you're talking about and are blessed with anonymity so your embarrassing posts won't follow you beyond this thread.

>>725170520
Or maybe the FGC, like literally ever other fucking community, has it's fair share of retards that give out shit advice because they're convinced they know what they're talking about because they "read a wiki". It this your first day on the internet?

I've seen these posts before...

>>725171760
>strawman

>>725172064
>buzzwords
I accept your concession

>>725172115
>the best way to know parries is to read on every single detail about each characters attacks so you're not just guessing when you actually play
>EEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM PARRIES ARE NOT AN OBSCURE MECHANIC! CHECKMATE....

reading frame data means literally nothing to me, something is too fast to deal with I will eventually nootice and just stop trying to challenge it, I don't need to read a wiki to figure that out because I have a functional frontal lobe

>>725172064
Shouldn't you be on Reddit?

>>725172203
>>the best way to know parries is to read on every single detail about each characters attacks so you're not just guessing when you actually play
That is completely incorrect. But we've already established you don't know what you're talking about and you have been thoroughly called out on that fact. Regardless, I still accept your concession.

>>725169960
/v/ is overrun with some of the most turbo casual retards anymore. This isn't even fighting game thread exclusive its fucking everywhere. FPS threads are full of shitters whining about how every lobby is full of cheaters that just hide it really good so it looks legit (trust me bro). Like there have been so many threads just whining about PVP in general because faggots would rather watch a guide to play a singleplayer game and pretend they are good instead of actually improving playing against real people.

>>725172485
>tries to parry an attack
>It doesn't work because i don't which direction im supposed to flick the stick in so i have to guess

>>725172676
Have you considered looking at the screen so you can see what direction the attack is coming from?

You don't play fighting games, but regardless, I accept your concession.

>>725169960
Learning is fun
Plateauing is not

>>725169658
Actress again current code still has players. You might need to play the community edition mod or whatever on probably some obscure platform, and youll probably have to go on discord for matches but you can do it

>>725172890
>fighting games, the genre known for being consistent

>>725171878
You don't need chatgpt to sum up these threads, every single one is
>You have to practice to be good
>Fighting games are bad because you need to practice to be good
>Getting beat is not fun and learning from my mistakes is bad game design
>Every fighting game is dead
>Parrying is bad, 3rd Strike is bad
>No one's hosting lobbies, that means no one plays fighting games, no I won't host a lobby myself

>>725173036
Concerto works just fine and works right out the box, but unless you have friends willing to play you're pretty much forced to use their discord to set up lobbies, yeah.

>>725173058
With the amount of bitching that we get about the genre not evolving for 20+ years, I'd say we're pretty consistent. You'd know this if you played fighting games, which you don't. This is something we've already established but you seem to be having trouble on accepting that you've lost. I'm in a good mood today, so I went and found you a wiki on how to accept that you've lost so you can still maintain whatever dignity you still have left and move on with your life.
https://www.wikihow.com/Accept-Defeat-Gracefully

Once you've read the wiki, just know that I accept your concession.

>>725173821
There's so much seethe behind your posts and the fact that you're projecting your own concession adds to it

>>725169387
>community of millions of people produces more than one response
who would have thought?

>>725174304
>>millions
there's 100k at most with every single fighting games player base combined

>>725154308 (OP)
Unrelated but I've been playing through the DOA games offline for like a month or so, and like two weeks into me picking them up for the first time and falling in love with the series is when Itagaki died. This series has the most enjoyable casual level gameplay in any fighter I've played, it feels good to even just hit things that maybe do or do not actually string together but look like they do, by that I guess I just mean the combat is actually fun and doesn't look super robotic and stiff like Tekken does.
Anyways I doubt we're getting 7 anytime soon and I refuse to play 6 since I don't like the downgrade of the character models so I'm stuck playing by myself on 5LR

>>725174494
>like two weeks into me picking them up for the first time and falling in love with the series is when Itagaki died.
You should get into Guilty Gear

>>725173036
>>725173749
Thanks for the input, I'll look into those.

>>725174778
Everything you need is here.
https://meltyblood.club/

>>725173821
>https://www.wikihow.com/Accept-Defeat-Gracefully
They really do have a wikihow for everything don't they

>>725154414
If you READ the shit, you will still get bodied.

>>725154602
If you can't find fun in losing, fighting games are probably not for you. If you need artificial tin cans to beat the crap out of, there's plenty of other games genres.

>>725168586
>while the only way you can learn a fighting game is by reading wiki pages.
This is aggressively wrong. Especially in modern gaming.

>>725170460
>you literally can't know how to play because literally every single autistic detail you need to know is very obscure most of the time even with parrying you learn it 5x faster by studying every single attack and which is what type of attack it is to know how to parry it in the first place

What's your best game? Because I'm curious on what your "autistic detail" standard is.

>>725171148
I don't think you deserve one. You play, you watch people play. If you're not a complete idiot, you can probably eventually figure out why you lost and have some sort of idea on what you could do different next time. I can see people telling you to just "read a wiki" because they're tired of talking to your whiny ass.

>>725154308 (OP)
It's possible. I only ever halfway learnt how to play them but still did a bunch of matches online and had fun, with usually around a 45-50% winrate. It wasn't all random flailing (although a lot of it was), I was landing reads and juggles, mixing up, frame trapping, baiting reversals and so on.

You just have to be willing to get BTFO sometimes, and maybe it doesn't work as well in games with lower playercounts.

I do think tutorials could be better... if you look at the SF6 guides they basically just require you to sit still and read without properly being able to try any of the techniques outside of just doing them once, and they try to explain a lot of nuance. I guess I can see why, but I feel like they might be better off just giving players basic strategies they can use to scam retards online to get started with. There should be more than just combo trials, too; mixup/pressure trials, defence trials and all that stuff.