Thread 725164205

I'm liking this game but holy shit building upgrades for units stress me the fuck out. When is a good time to build upgrade units?

>>725164205 (OP)
depends on what unit you are using, for example if you are playing castle you'll want to upgrade your archers to marksmans as soon as possible as they get double shot once upgraded, angels only resurrect troops when upgraded to archangels
desu learning how to take fights with as little attrition as posible is the most important part about this game

>>725164205 (OP)
Start upgrading the big boys when you have the economy for it. You want to shit out basic units first to secure gold income and get capitol

>>725164205 (OP)
I can't stand playing this game anymore because it feels like if you aren't perfect and you lose some units you'll never be able to keep up your production and make up those loses and pretty much be screwed for the entire scenario

i just happy listening to the music

>>725165006
Love the battle theme

>>725164205 (OP)
Idk

>>725165006
based

>>725165006
It's pure magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO312ReVPNQ

>>725164205 (OP)
nah the stressful part is handling logistics in mid to late game. it just gets straight up annoying pumping units from 4 diff bases all around the map and daisychaining them to the front lines.

still a top 10 game all time easily. top 3 in music and art direction all time. thank you for reminding me of this game's existence, time to play until i get frustrated again.

if you play any other entry in the series you need to go outside more.

>>725167964
>if you play any other entry in the series you need to go outside more.
No.

Rule of fist, the sooner you get big number armies, the better. That means on the week 2 Sunday if you have to choose between money building or building that raises your dwelling production, go for the dwelling.

For upgrading units, it depends on the unit and upgrade. For example in HoMM3 the upgraded tier 1 gremlins and in HoMM5 tier 1 skeletons gain ranged attack. You want them as soon as possible because ranged units reduce your losses. You don't need to upgrade everything, but prioritize the dwellings whose units are your backbone. If your hero's speciality is certain unit, you want them upgraded sooner.

>>725167964
>daisy chaining is annoying
If only there were some sort of caravans

>>725164205 (OP)
Upgrades aren't equal, let's say you start with rampart you want to upgrade homestead ASAP ALWAYS while you could go entire game without ever upgrading dwarves or trees.
Big ole it depends.

>>725164205 (OP)
Upgrade ranged units, and go for ranged unit dwellings fast, plus the tankiest ground troop you can get. This allows you to beat neutral stacks on the map with minimal losses, especially if you can cast Slow.

But, try not to put slower units into your army because your movement points are determined by the slowest units. So if your slowest ranged unit has a speed of 6, try avoiding units with lower speed than that.
Or you can use some of the tankier, faster, higher tier units only to rush down neutral stacks. Preferably ones who have enough HP and DEF that they'll lose as little units as possible. If you do that, you won't even need slower ranged units, and you can move on the map more. Vampire Lords would be ideal, though then you'll always resurrect skeletons who'll slow you down.

If you get a tier 7 unit early on, week 1-2-3 neutral stacks will most likely be unable to do enough damage to kill even one. It gets better if you can also heal them (healing tent can be very useful early on, it just can't do shit in mid-late game).

>>725164205 (OP)
Depends on the unit, some are worth upgrading as fast as possible, others aren't worth upgrading at all.

>>725171752
assuming you can build homestead on turn 1 and you're playing ivor should you recruit the elfs immediately or wait until you can upgrade it?

>>725173919
>should you recruit the elfs immediately or wait until you can upgrade it?

Either is fine, you can buy normal units and upgrade them for the price difference.

>>725167964
4=5>3 the rest doesnt matter. play more games. the only things 3 is best at is accessibility and artstyle which is subjective and none matter in a good strategy game.
Also im always looking for people to play homm with. Yes even 3. So if anyone is interested post steam or whatever

>>725174697
>4=5>3
LMAO

>>725174738
Cope and seethe or prove me wrong

>>725175124
4 is dogshit.
5 is dogshit.
You'd have to be retarded to think otherwise.

>>725175286
NTA but I prefer 5 over 3

>>725175286
You are a subhuman ape with no brain that has never played any other games in the genre. Also imagine being upset your precious game is 2nd or 3rd best in the series of 7 games.

>>725174697
3 has a lot of charm
4 was very experimental, i think people didn't like separating the heroes from the units
5 had simultaneous turns and better balance iirc
i can't articulate this well but i could feel ubisoft's influence making 5 more bland and generic

>>725175475
I played 4 and 5 and I regret doing so, they are abysmal.

>>725175621
if you did(which isnt true) you would know they are better. both are more balanced and offer more options for players but you have no idea since you are a retard

>>725175776
Maybe you should play them instead of pretending they're good.

>>725175621
What's wrong with 5?

>>725164205 (OP)
day 1

>>725175523
>ubisoft's influence making 5 more bland and generic
Yeah they immediately scrapped NWCs universe and replaced it with their own uninspired garbage. The actual game by Nival Interactive is solid though, if you skip the horrid cutscenes and story of the campaign. God I hated it so much

>>725175918
Boring and ugly.

>>725175890
i have thousands of hours across these three games. i was once a 3 baby like you too before realizing how dogshit it is.
>>725176018
go play assfaggots if its so boring then. i swear subhumans that play this game want 30 minutes matches. whats the point then? also how does it being "boring and ugly" translate into a bad STRATEGY game. this isnt a point n click adventure game you faggot

>>725167707
for me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzsmWXHH0A

>>725176246
Git gud.

>>725176246
You're just bad at video games so you prefer bad games.

>>725176295
>>725176317
fight me then shitters. make a lobby

>>725176375
Classic shitter cope, I won't waste time on you.

>>725175621
Your taste is abyssmal, nigga
4 is cinema

>>725164785
I know the feeling but winning despite of that horrible ache is a great feeling as well.

>>725167964
No, the true horror is waiting for your mates while they are doing that every turn.

>>725176454
as always with 3 fags. all talk no bite. 4 and 5 have spells that are actually useable and better balanced schools of magic. same goes for skills. in 4 units are more important than you think while 5 offers different upgrade path to suit your build. in 3 you only play one way if you want to win. the units are bland and not unique for the most part, only few valuable spells and always the same skills picked up. its ass. kill yourself Sebastian or Ivan

>>725176684
Yeah I knew you were trash at video games already, no need to reiterate.

>>725176772
whats your rating?

why is no Heroes game on Steam?

>>725164205 (OP)
I highly recommend getting the Horn of the Abyss fan expansion.

But that Factory campaign is the HARDEST shit I have ever done. Good luck beating Tomb Raiders as well as Tarred & Feathered on impossible difficulty.

>>725178338
theres 5,6,7 and olden era soon?

>>725178338
Because ubisoft wants you to buy the demaster instead of complete.

Olden Era is good. Need more Romero music though

>>725164205 (OP)
Anon, I first played this game as a 10-year-old ESLfag and that shit really doesn't matter unless you're playing at the hardest difficulty. Just have fun, enjoy the graphics and the music, it'll be fine.
Also, when you figure out what the OP skills and spells are, most units in your party might just as well be placeholders while your hero is zooming around the map and killing everything with spells.

>New faction being developed already

>https://youtu.be/5uM--UyP-Kg?si=BfIVYXrl_KFGsslx

I can't fucking wait, Cove and Factory were fun as fuck to play

>>725164205 (OP)
Just keep collecting those resources for those upgrades.
Check out which units need what to build their structures, and potential upgrades after you build their buildings.

>>725179524
I see you like to play singleplayer only

>>725176259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1usG2LZ91dY

>>725179745
I love factory, it's like a less gay tower
Don't really get the point of the 8 unit gimmick though

>>725164785
what diff are you on ?

>>725180285
factory was a butchery of forge i hate hota for that

>>725179745
>Factory
That got released? I thought it was in dev hell.

>>725181362
Forge was always trash.

>>725181513
It's been out for like a year

>>725176003
I liked the plot of H5 and how it ties with Dark Messiah. Yeah the cutscenes are very cheesy but also kinda funny as result.

The good: 2,3, 4, Olden Era
The bad: 5, 1
The ugly: 6,7

>>725164205 (OP)
Usually do it when you get the capitol and all the basic unit production.
Unless you know the upgraded unit is OP, in which case get it asap.

>>725165006
>>725165249
>>725167496
>>725167707
>>725176259
It's so weird how the HoMM3 composer looks like this

>>725182769
5 is good

>>725179980
>I see you like to play singleplayer only
Yes, why would I stress myself out by playing MP where the meta is basically carved in stone thanks to thousand of Slav autists (like me) who had been playing HoMM3 in continuity since release (unlike me). I wanna make comfy maps and play fun campaigns from time to time.

>>725184257
Why is it weird? And he composed for most of the series, not just 3

>>725184336
>Why is it weird?
He looks like someone who's on DMT at the gym, not someone who composes soundtracks for fantasy games

>>725164205 (OP)
Some units you need to upgrade instantly:
[Castle]
Marksmen - double shot
Crusaders - double strike
Champions - one of the best 6th tier units
Angels - one of the best 7th tier units

[Rampart]
Centaur Captains - speedy as fuck, great for finishing shots
Grand Elves - double shot, one of the best archers
Silver Pegasi* - only if you don't use autoresolve
Gold Dragons - dragons are very good

[Tower]
Master Gremlins - ranged attack
Master Genies - even one can buff your power stack
Naga Queens - so they can at least reach enemies, plus one of the best 6th level units
Titans - ranged attack

[Inferno]
Magogs* - only if you use HotA
Cerberi - no retaliation and 3-hex attack
Pit Lords - demon farming
Archdevils - they're just good and even better with HotA's luck rework

[Necropolis]
Vampire Lords - win you the game
Dread Knights - one of the best 6th level units

[Dungeon]
Harpy Hags - no retaliation
Medusa Queens* - or have an ammo cart
Minotaur Kings - they actually get one of the most significant stat buffs out of all creatures in the game
Black Dragons - magic immunity

[Stronghold]
Hobgoblins* - you'll need to upgrade them for Wolf Raiders anyway
Wolf Raiders - double strike
Thunderbirds - lightning strike is a significant damage boost early-game
Ancient Behemoths - can get them first week in ideal circumstances

[Fortress]
Dragon Flies* - if you don't use autoresolve
Mighty Gorgons - death stare
Wyvern Monarchs* - if you can do it very early (like turn 4)

[Conflux]
Storm/Ice Elementals - ranged attack
Energy Elementals - flying
Phoenixes* - their growth is broken if you're not using HotA

[Cove]
Sea Dogs - effect similar to death stare
Ayssids - situational double attack
Nix Warriors - very tanky

[Factory]
Halfling Grenadiers - good against high-tier units early
Sentinel Automatons - no retaliation
Bounty Hunters* - only if you're going against enemy player's ranged stacks
Crimson Couatls - 1-turn invulnerability

>>725184459
Why not both?

>>725181535
forge was never released you secondary faggot

>>725185806
Not the OP but I appreciate the effortpost.

>>725164205 (OP)
Secure production first, so unupgraded dwellings & castles
Then upgrade the core dwellings as you are able to.
There are some exceptions where you wanna grab Archangles as a priority since they have some crazy utility, like AAs for res, BDs for Dragogeddon etc.
Remember to always take gold from chests.

>>725184323
If you playing singleplayer, you basically playing tutorial

>>725186373
Maybe on vanilla maps. Some user maps are pretty unique. Have you played Element Land for example? There's a ton of OP enemy heroes and you have to do repeatable quests to form stacks of troops

It's good.
I feel like faction unique abilities should be a bit more impactful though. The way they are now, they only slightly affect how you actually play.

>>725186643
It's FINE but the art style is an instant turn off for me.

>>725186373
Yeah, so? I'm not playing HoMM3 to prove my 1337 gamer skillz to anyone, I'm playing cause the games comfy and fun.

>>725186692
Have you played the demo? I thought so too, based on the videos they posted, but in-game it looks fine. I don't know whether it's just the higher quality without video compression, or if there's maybe some different colour correction, but it just looks better in-game.

>>725186818
Anon, tumblr-tier portraits and mobile game-tier unit models don't look better in-game no matter how you try to frame it. I appreciate the effort you're putting in shilling Olden Era, and it has its merits, but let's not try to gaslight people the instant they dislike it because judging by Steam forums the sentiment about the art style looks pretty universal to me.

>>725186553
>>725186779
It's tiring to talk about multiplayer games like HoMM when lot of anons are singleplayering them

>>725187127
I hope you realize calling it a multiplayer game is a logical fallacy akin to calling a fridge "a heating device", right? It's both.

>>725187187
Any cooling device is inherently a heating device since the heat has to go somewhere and visaversa.

>>725187252
nerd

>>725186962
>tumblr tier
I see you haven't been around during tumblr era

>>725187252
Yes, anon, thank you, I hope that analogy wasn't that hard for you to crack. I'll inform your special needs supervisor about your progress

>>725187314
Thanks anon, they always told me I was special.

>>725186962
>tumblr-tier portraits and mobile game-tier unit models
people will just post anything these days huh

>>725187127
>multiplayer games like HoMM
You can play HoMM for hundred of hours without playing single multiplayer game

>>725187481
Post a screenshot of the battle screen and 10 portraits of the heroes from the game then tell me I'm wrong.

>me in front of Olden Era UI
Ubisoft KNOW Homm players are old, wtf !

>>725187613
Ubisoft has pretty much nothing to do with the game at this point besides (possibly) getting a % once it releases. People who made it are devs of Iratus, the Darkest Dungeon clone about a necromancer. I think they're slavs too. My biggest gripe is the fact that there's no hotkey tooltip on the UI buttons in 2025.

>>725187535
i can tell you you are wrong just outright. you don't know what tumblr means, you're just throwing buzzwords becuase you're a millenial who can't let go of 3
which i can get but any kind of artstyle change producing such vitriol just makes me hate you fags so much more

>>725187526
Just like Tekken

>>725187787
Really? Then tell me 5 things you love about the new artstyle, especially the portraits. Be specific.

>>725187836
NTA, but map and town screens look nice. I agree that the unit models and portraits are kind of ass though.

>>725181362
>noooo my lazily kitbashed ZOMBIECHAINSAWS, MINOTAURJETPACKS and NAGATANKS, how dare you replace the abortion of a sying 3DO with an actually original and thematically cohesive town nooooo
Forge is a concept that would only work in blobber M&Ms. The frontier vibe of Factory is much better.

>>725187950
Nagatank is killer concept though.

>>725187127
i can play multiplayer. any homm youd like

>>725187950
>retard talking about things he has no knowledge about
almost nothing about heroes 3 units is original. almost all of them are taken from mythology and are super generic. what about factory is cohesive you retard? halflings are from eofol on enroth. coatl is from jadame even tho there were no fucking dragon-like creatures present there just snakes. steampunk is shitty aesthetic. COWBOYS LMAO. meanwhile forge was meant to close the gap between mainline games and spinoff. funny you say dying since forge was worked on when new world was doing ok, durning the first expansion. also it was supposed to be the first town with very low growth rate but high stats of units. something unique in this bland game

>>725187950
Thanks to screeching "fans" we'll never know if it would work. Personally I think it would've been kino, NWC knew what they were doing and had never let me down before. A fuckton more kino than Conflux that's for sure

>>725185806
>forgetting power liches

>>725188816
conflux isnt bad but it shouldve been released with another expansion.. it was supposed to be SoD city no?

>>725189027
Idk, I had the impression they just slapped something together quick to both meet deadline and appease the fans

>>725188978
They already shoot and the death cloud is nice, but not as important as vamp lords

>>725188978
You're better off saving them for 2nd or even 3rd week because you can pretty much mow down the neutrals once you get vamp lords, and dread knights upgrade is higher priority

>>725188598
>almost nothing about heroes 3 units is original. almost all of them are taken from mythology and are super generic.
I'm talking about devs taking old unit models and slapping lazy gribbles on them, not about mythological inspiration, you retard.
> what about factory is cohesive you retard? halflings are from eofol on enroth. coatl is from jadame even tho there were no fucking dragon-like creatures present there just snakes.
Filtered by campaign? Halflings got 109'd out of Eofol by Kreegans and went to jadame. Coatls are extinct creatures revived by biology wizards. You retard.
>steampunk is shitty aesthetic. COWBOYS LMAO.
It's cool, you retard.
>meanwhile forge was meant to close the gap between mainline games and spinoff.
And apparently nobody wanted that, you retard.
>funny you say dying since forge was worked on when new world was doing ok, durning the first expansion. also it was supposed to be the first town with very low growth rate but high stats of units. something unique in this bland game
This one's fair, but it's still lazily cobbled together bullshit with town's main panorama looking like a third grader slapped it together on a computer ready to meet god. You retard.

Verdict: you're a retard.

>>725190614
Factory filters tastelets so hard, it's a doubly kino town.

>>725164205 (OP)
Wait until you learn that the speed of the slowest creature in your armies effects how much you can move every turn

>cove campaign
>mediocre
>factory campaign
>amazing
Will the bastion campaign be even better?

>>725187481
NTA but he has a valid excuse this time. The art style looks like mobilephone slop.

>>725191037
>>725188598
>remember the scifi elements from from MM4-5, 6, 7
>think anon is lying when he says cowboys lmao
>look up factory
>he's not lying
i dunno, i don't really jive with that aesthetic
isn't the desert town meant to be stronghold?

>>725193043
Stronghold is a mountainous town, Factory is the badlands town

>>725186779
>>725179524
If you're incompetent at a game, don't post your garbage takes in threads discussing strategy in said game. You contribute zero of value. OP asked for intelligent advice, not "lol just be a clueless baby like me bro thats better"

Factory campaign has surprisingly good writing and it even pays homage to MM7 lore, and is theoretically compatible to both endings of MM7 (both one that leads to creation of Forge and the canon one).

>>725190614
>I'm talking about devs taking old unit models and slapping lazy gribbles on them, not about mythological inspiration, you retard.
Work in progress
>Filtered by campaign? Halflings got 109'd out of Eofol by Kreegans and went to jadame. Coatls are extinct creatures revived by biology wizards. You retard.
Ive beaten the campaign retard. Its written like a low effort fanfiction. If they wanted to be cool there is plenty of unused units in jadame. I bet you will cream yourself when they ruin Vori with their trash generic vikings. Good think Day of Reckonning will be out this century so i can finally drop shit that is hota. Ill miss cove but ill manage
>It's cool, you retard.
No u
>And apparently nobody wanted that, you retard.
Because retards like you acted like it would erase the rest of the game. Nobody forced you to play this faction. Fuck the might and magic fans am i right? Its not like they also financed this game. Also of course they listened to the loudest autists just like modern devs listen to trannies because they are the loudest. It checks out. Heroes 3 fans = Subhuman trannies
>This one's fair, but it's still lazily cobbled together bullshit with town's main panorama looking like a third grader slapped it together on a computer ready to meet god. You retard.
They were still working on it. Kill yourself.

>>725193263
Seethe shitter

>>725193656
>Its written like a low effort fanfiction.
It's better than the base game.

>>725193263
Nah, I'm gonna post whatever I want. OP wanted advice because he's stressing out, and I advised him to relax and enjoy the game.
Stay mad tho.

>>725191270
I played the Cove campaign quite some time ago, and despite some ESL moments in intro cutscenes and text boxes, there really wasn't anything I recall being wrong with the campaign.
Maybe it's a little dull, but so are most of RoE campaigns or the "Specter of Power" one in SoD.

Alright, but what the fuck is going on with HoMM4's art direction? Why is there so much fucking piss yellow everywhere in the UI?

>>725182479
I dont keep up religiously man.

Maybe I should replay homm3. Does hota change anything about the campaign or should I play base game version?

>>725194718
early 3d, standard for that era. plus a very short dev cycle
it's a miracle they even got something that good out in the first place

>>725194759
Don't remember any real changes to the base campaigns, you should use the hd+ mod regardless

>>725194718
The company was literally imploding around them as they were making the game.

Always get vampires

>>725197015
Vampire lords are so overpowered

>>725184459
>>725184257
wait until you find out he's gay

>>725197117
He's gachipilled

>>725196874
I have hota so the hd mod for the base game is implied.