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How come Zoomers can't appreciate Chrono Trigger?

>>725198997 (OP)
I'm a zoomer and I love this game.

The SNES is my favorite console.

>>725198997 (OP)
Chrono Trigger is zoomer-friendly as fuck. It's the definition of safe retro.

It's a good game but not the overwhelming masterpiece I was promised

>>725198997 (OP)
Any game with a good soundtrack will inevitably be overrated because of the soundtrack. I love Chrono Trigger though because of the fast pace.

>>725200323
Elaborate

>>725198997 (OP)
Schizophrenia, apparently.

>>725198997 (OP)
It's a good game but it isn't indisputably the best JRPG ever made like people treat it.

>>725198997 (OP)
I never played it cuz I've always hated the DBZ art. Then, over the years, I've had the entire plot "spoiled," not that I ever intended to play it. I'm 33.

The active combat system isn't that interesting. The game only gets good once you open all the saled chests. Every 5 minutes some bullshit happens and it's not clear how or why it matters.

It's got cool set pieces though.

>>725198997 (OP)
They were born too late

How can you dislike this piece of art?

>>725198997 (OP)
RPGs filter much of the younger audience in general. I suspect their dopamine receptors are fried from a young age.

>>725198997 (OP)
Zoomer here. I hated how braindead easy it is, how little strategy there is involved and how awful the writing is. The atmosphere isn't anything special either. Wizardry, Romancing SaGa 2, Vagrant Story and PST are all much better games, despite their flaws.

>>725200323
it's literally the best jrpg ever made
not that that's a tall order or anything

>>725201787
>the best jrpg ever made
That'd be E33.

>>725198997 (OP)
The combat is too easy. It gets boring after a while. They should rebalance the combat and add new moves for characters if they ever rerelease it again. Maybe add in a hard mode too. Also I wish it had party chat like the ds dragon quest games. I first played Chrono Trigger right after beating DQV so I remember thinking multiple times that certain moments would work really well with it.

>>725201092
>>725201787
It plays like a rpgmaker game and the story isn't really that complex. I understand it must have been incredible when it released but it's nothing extrordinary by today standard.

>>725202137
>I understand it must have been incredible when it released
The graphics were. That's it.
Plenty of vidya with better gameplay before CT. And 1995 saw IHNMAIMS release, which was head and shoulders above every other vidya game in terms of storytelling until PST and SH2.

>>725198997 (OP)
I love it, but I dread the eventual remake. Even making this post I know some squeenix marketing LLM bot is scraping this shit hole to gauge how well they think it will sell when they eventually cut it up into a trilogy of weird roll slop JRPG abomination with awful voice acting.

>>725198997 (OP)
release a real time combat one (an actual game) and then MAYBE I'll give my attention to the series, gramps

>>725202137
it existed in the perfect time for a jrpg to be great because the lack of hardware prevented all the uwu weeby anime dating sim fag shit from seeping in so it's just a cool game with none of the cringe

Because the things Chrono Trigger did and tried to do have since been done better by countless other JRPGs

>>725203585
This including its sequel.

>>725203690
False

>>725198997 (OP)
The music was 95% of why people liked it and related to the story. The combat and level design is pretty fucking dull.

>>725202137
It's a masterpiece because it's solid in every aspect, gameplay, story, music, pacing, etc. It's the perfect JRPG by this metric, but that doesn't require the story to be complex, the story just needs to be well written and engaging. Other RPGs have deeper stories, but they're often unbalanced, like amazing story with mediocre gameplay (like Planescape/Xenogears)

>>725201275
What is then, oh JRPG expert?

>>725201873
>FRPG

>>725206195
Xenoblade Chronicles, obviously

>>725198997 (OP)
Not enough niggers and non-binary queer bestiality sex in it. You also can't make stuff out of blocks and its not open world.

>>725207206
I bet you thought it wouldnt happen to you.

>>725198997 (OP)
>>725200323
>>725201092
>>725201505
It's a decent moviegame
dogshit REAL videogame
that's it.
Retro era The Last of Us.
Every time you see someone praising this game is some stupid dogshit like
>ERMAHGERD THE GRAPHICS THE MUSIC THE PACING
But when asked about the gameplay they just say
>A ATLEAST IT INVENTED ATB (It didn't)
>ATLEAST IT INVENTED MULTIPLE ENDINGS (It Didn't)
>ATLEAST NEW GAME PLUS (It didn't)
The other thing that they don't want to admit
they just like the fact toriyama worked on it. not even the game itself.

>>725209402
You know you don't need to invent something in order to implement it well in your game?

>>725209831
Sadly here's a list of thing chrono trigger implement that it didn't do well
>Positional Mechanics
a complete meme
>ATB
literally unfinished and makes the game piss easy and brainless
>Multiple endings
Not even different requisites or final bosses just beat game in a different point of story
>Having an overworld at all
shit's empty mon

>>725201785
>Braindead easy

Meanwhile the Hekran Cave boss requires you to not attack it with magic when it tries to bait you into doing it.

>>725210412
>1 enemy in the entire game requires you not to use the broken ass techs that insta gib everything
WOOOOOOW

>>725198997 (OP)
This is like the only playable jrpg by zoomer standards

>>725198997 (OP)
Because the writing is unremarkable and the core gameplay loop has aged poorly. It still has some neat ideas and elements, so I think it's worth playing just for that, but if you've played many of the noteworthy games that have been released since Chrono Trigger, then don't go in expecting to be wowed.

>>725198997 (OP)
it's lacking in combat and party building, FF mogs it there. but otherwise it's kino

>>725211504
Combat, party building, strategy, difficulty, sidequests aside of the very end of the game, minigames that aren't the dogshit bike one, a reason to deviate from the main path, and being actually fun
Sad to say this but even Golden Sun did it better

I'm actually playing through Chrono Trigger + right now, it's a pretty cool romhack. The promise of being able to explore 1999 AD 6 months before Lavos destroys everything really got me interested in it, but there's a ton of other features too. It made the game more difficult due to upping the level cap to 99, but spreading out the stat gains to compensate, so battles are a little harder. It's very interesting and worth a try.

Alot of cool sequence breaks too, like being able to go to 65,000,000 BC before going to the middle ages, or fighting the Son of Sun the moment you get to Zeal.

Combat is dated

>>725201787
the best jrpg can't cuck you out of your hard earned equipment mid game like that that's a dirty dishonorable move only gaijin should be allowed to do

>>725211831
>Having to literally mod the game to enjoy it
Oh shit we are reaching New Vegas / Skyrim levels now

>>725211931
>MODS ARE... LE BAD
?????

>>725211781
Golden Sun's main issue is that they talk too much without saying anything of substance. And in TLA i sometimes felt directionless or dreaded going back to the smith. I think Chrono Trigger is more impressive for 95 than Golden Sun was for 2001 but i'd also say that Golden Sun is the more fun game to play. In terms of difficulty, i'd say they're both a joke. The Djin system is just too strong for the enemies you face. Golden Sun has more interesting systems though. Chrono Trigger has more charm imo especially with Toriyama's art. I love puzzles and Psy Energy but the time gimmick is also cool especially if it's the first time you experience it in a game. I didn't play Chrono Cross yet but i'd hope they double down on the good while expanding on what was lacking.

>>725199883
ok you want a medal for it fag?

>>725198997 (OP)
It's only good if you have no experience with any other JRPGs. It's too generic and boring otherwise. You can claim it was good at the time, but a zoomer isn't playing it at the time, so it's a moot point.

>>725202137
>It plays like a rpgmaker game
I assume you're just saying it plays like an old RPG. But man, try showing me some RPG Maker games that play like Chrono Trigger, or have Chrono Trigger's level of quality. seriously bro i'm looking for recs

>>725206143
>it's solid in every aspect
It's mediocre in every aspect. The only aspect that stands out is the music.

>>725211876
It's not.
Both DQ and Pokemon have kept their same combat from the 90's that is even less complex than CT's and they're still liked and sell well.

>>725212585
Pokemon is 1000x more complex now than in gen 1 because they keep layering more and more mechanics onto it. can't talk for DQ.

>>725212008
>MODS TURN A DOGSHIT GAME INTO A GOOD ONE
????

>>725212419
MOTHER:
Cognitive Dissonance
The remake.
LISA

>>725212756
Yes, cope and seethe about it.

>>725202137
>old thing isn't extraordinary by today's standards
Isn't that just how advancements work in general?

>>725212832
LISA is great, one of the best RPG Maker games I've played, but it's nowhere as polished as Chrono Trigger. I can understand preferring it based on personal tastes, but it's not as well-crafted.

>>725212891
Yoshi's Island is still a 10/10 platformer today, just as it was when it released.
So is DK94 for the GameBoy and DKC2
Why isn't chrono trigger still as good?
Any guesses?

>>725212694
You still control ony one pokemon or two at most and can only select 4 moves. You can blast through the game with only your starter pokemon and ignore any mechanic.

>>725213182
>Why isn't chrono trigger still as good?
It is

>>725213186
>you can ignore every mechanic so it doesn't exist
uh, sure.
a big reason pokemon stayed popular is because it kept building on itself with probably the biggest step being gen 3. if you remove every mechanic added from gen 2 onwards and just release the exact same system over and over, this shit would be long dead.

>>725213250
Mario RPG mogs
Live A Live mogs
Chrono Cross mogs
EarthBound mogs
Golden Sun Mogs
FF6 mogs
FF7 mogs
DQ 3 mogs
Xenosaga mogs

>>725213182
Chrono Trigger is still as good tho

>>725213424
Why does it have to be a competition?

>>725213424
This is the issue I think - JRPGs are more subjective than other genres because how much you like the art/music/story/characters is a bigger factor than other genres. Like everybody agrees Super Metroid is great, or Mario 3 is great, but basically every popular RPG has a subset of vocal critics.

Those games are all great (I haven't finished Golden Sun or DQ3 yet), but it's hard to say they're better than CT for any reason besides personal taste.

>>725213186
The main campaign is easy, but the combat is pretty deep

>>725213608
Why do zoomers need to ""appreciate"" chrono trigger?

>>725213724
They don't. They don't "need" to appreciate anything. It just would be strange if they don't appreciate a beloved classic. But that's not the case, most zoomers enjoy it if they try it. Probably the most popular old RPG for young people to try, in fact. So it's a moot point.

We should be asking why zoomers don't appreciate Lufia II and Phantasy Star IV more. They'd love those too if they tried them.

>>725209402
one motherfucker did this at the fair in town. He leaned back too far and rippen through that canvas ceiling above him. I guess it fling him about a block away before he landed in somebody's yard.

They still use the same machine, but there's a huge duct tapped patch over one of those triangles in the ceiling

>>725213946
did he died

>>725213936
>We should be asking why zoomers don't appreciate Lufia II and Phantasy Star IV more.
To clarify, I mean more than they already might appreciate those. Not more than CT.

>>725198997 (OP)
turn based game

>>725213424
>FF6
Matches or slightly exceeds at best.
>FF7
Apples and Oranges and still a toss up.
>Earthbound
Ehh

Sukikoden 2 and Seiken Densetsu 3 are the only ones that come close in my book.

>>725214256
>UHM ACKSHUALLY IT'S ATB WHICH MEANS ITS....
Turn based but you need to wait for your turn and the animations take like 20 seconds each and are unskippable

>>725201787
Its definitely top 3 all time. But FF7 original is THE greatest JRPG.

>>725214384
CT animations are generally pretty fast

>>725214474
Yeah except when you are walking up the mountain trail in Prehistoric times and every single set of stairs has an unavoidable encounter then you must wait 20 secs for your characters to stop walking in circles and get into battle position
but hey, atleast it's not a battle transitions amirite

>>725214946
>but hey, atleast it's not a battle transitions amirite
ur rite it's not

If you don't like RPGs you don't like RPGs, but as far as RPGs go CT is fast and smooth.

>>725214432
10 > 7 but without 7 there wouldn't be 10

>>725198997 (OP)
Does being born in 96' qualify me for zoomer status?
Because Chrono Trigger is the game that got me into retro gaming

95 protozoomer here.
I just outright hate the "active turn based" combat of SNES FF and Chrono Trigger. The fact that I can get attacked while I slog through an excel sheet of spells or abilities just ruins the game for me.

>>725215013
If I didn't like RPGs I would love CT,
tougheverbeit. perchance

>>725198997 (OP)
They have access to other jrpgs

>>725215357
>The fact that I can get attacked while I slog through an excel sheet of spells or abilities just ruins the game for me.
Wait setting pauses it for item/spell menus

>>725206143
It's considered a masterpiece because Star Ocean 1 and Tales of Phantasia weren't localized on SNES.

>>725198997 (OP)
I love it and I'm a 47 year old zoomer

Sea of stars is the zoomer chrono

>>725215812
37 year old alpha here, what are you even doing posting here man you're so old? Go home to your wife and kids.

>>725215869
And everyone realized it was "mid" as fuck

>>725201873
>E33
E33 has niggers in it while Chrono Trigger has zero niggers. Chrono Trigger wins.

>>725216573
>le nigger word
>hey guiz do i fit in yet xD

>>725198997 (OP)
It is literally mid. Maybe it was amazing for its time but this can't even hold a candle to E33 or even Devil Survivor.

You want actually Chrono Tigger EVOLVED? Play Radiant Historia.

>>725213664
>how much you like the art/music/story/characters is a bigger factor than other genres
One of my favourite JRPGs has a shitposty, almost nonexistent story, shitty art and I can't even remember the music.

>>725198997 (OP)
We prefer well written stories with engaging characters.

>>725218071
So Chrono Trigger?

>>725198997 (OP)
Chrono Trigger since it strips everything down to its leanest and most well polished version its the best JRPG for people who don't actually like JRPGs, since they don't actually have to engage with any of the deeper aspects of a JRPG. Instead they can just skim along the surface on the genre doing cool things and say they played a JRPG by the end.

>>725217908
Yeah, I know those type of JRPGs are enjoyed too. But a lot of people would hate it for that reason. Point is, people are looking for different things in RPGs. Even gameplay-wise the styles vary a ton. Not everyone likes grindy dungeon crawlers, not everyone likes more story focused stuff.

>>725216573
CT has trannies
lmao

>>725219368
>
Flea is a guy.

>>725219415
>>725219368
The dick makes it better.

>>725219415
inb4 "so are trannies"

Flea doesn't identify as a girl. He's a shapeshifting femboy at most.

>>725216573
>Chrono Trigger has zero niggers
Did you even play the game?

>>725212276
ok i dont appreciate it anymore

>>725200323
This. It's a good game just not the holy grail all you obnoxious fags made it out to be.

>>725199883
Based zoomer.

i convinced my zoomer coworker to play chrono trigger and ffx and he loved both of them. ff7 next, he doesnt even know the spoiler. hopefully lego dudes doesnt filter him

>>725198997 (OP)
Can we not pretend that this game was a smash hit in the West when it came out and only later after FF Chronicles on PS1 and emulation throughout the 2000's did it gain appreciation? Because I remember seeing that game at Funcoland as a kid in 95 usually going for $120 used due to how many limited copies were made for it.
And nice generation war thread.

>>725221160
96*

>>725198997 (OP)
I'm 32 and I found it boring as shit whenever I payed it, literally FF6 but less interesting in every conceivable way. It's a good game for children who have never played an RPG before but liking it as an adult for any reason other than nostalgia is just embarrassing.

>>725223067
>admitting to being over 30 and still bitching about video games on 4chan
WAY more embarrassing lol