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Why can't games just tell you how to do the fucking things IN THE ACTUAL GAME
Anonymous No.725336459 [Report] >>725356830
terraria and its consequences
Anonymous No.725336592 [Report] >>725348913
>>725336302 (OP)
Why can't you just figure it out yourself?
Anonymous No.725336670 [Report] >>725338902 >>725355924 >>725356241
>>725336302 (OP)
I think some devs have some kind of autism where if they can't think of the most perfect elegant solution to something they won't do it at all. Something like an in-game wiki wouldn't be elegant so they don't do stuff like that. They are imagining some kind of perfect natural guidance through environmental cues and hints but they are unable to achieve that so you get nothing instead.
Anonymous No.725336764 [Report] >>725352958
>>725336302 (OP)
my favorite wikislop is underrail
Anonymous No.725336779 [Report] >>725337143
yeah just add retarded popups in the middle of your playthrough for the purpose of ruining immersion
great idea faggot
Anonymous No.725336816 [Report] >>725336865 >>725336957
>>725336302 (OP)
Why have I seen like 3 different versions of this image with different heads this week? Which idiot keeps editing it and why?
Anonymous No.725336865 [Report] >>725336976
>>725336816
probably to avoid jannies sniping soijaks in the 'log on sight
Anonymous No.725336907 [Report] >>725337209 >>725337779 >>725338727
>>725336302 (OP)
Imagine using Wikislop and not Gamefaqs. Zoomer fags.
Anonymous No.725336916 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Sims, at least from Sims 3 onwards I think is a case of having so many expansions come out that it's hard to keep track of all the shit that's added with each one. ("is molesting my sim waifu from Seasons or Life in the City?") The rest are just the player bases being retarded and needing to be handheld through everything.
Anonymous No.725336957 [Report] >>725340941
>>725336816
kek, really?
i just hate wojak shlock so i just made a stick figure head
infinitely more soul
Anonymous No.725336976 [Report]
>>725336865
>i really love basedjak culture but i hate basedjaks
where have we seen this before
Anonymous No.725337143 [Report] >>725337508
>>725336779

yeah you're right having to google how to do or unlock something completely fits in with the immersion of a game

doy
Anonymous No.725337209 [Report]
>>725336907
you're so cool man, you get the exact same info from a different place
Anonymous No.725337224 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
The overwhelming majority of games are made for drooling retards and do exactly this. Go fucking play those, moron.
Anonymous No.725337390 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
alright, here you go, sport!
Anonymous No.725337508 [Report] >>725337569
>>725337143
the game doesn't tell you to use the internet for information
the game can be completed without all the autistic shit that you'll find on the internet
kill yourself redditor
Anonymous No.725337556 [Report]
People need a wiki for the sims?
Anonymous No.725337569 [Report] >>725337716 >>725337746
>>725337508
im sure you figured out the nether portal all by yourself right
Anonymous No.725337598 [Report] >>725351970
>>725336302 (OP)
>noita
>op needs a guide to tell him to go down, go down further and then damage the final boss (this is the obvious thing to do if you've ever played a game in the same genre, such as isaac or spelunky or gungeon)
Why are gamers so dumb?
Anonymous No.725337607 [Report] >>725339284
>stardew valley
>sims
>wiki
the fuck
Anonymous No.725337642 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Minecraft in a nutshell.
Anonymous No.725337716 [Report]
>>725337569
i dont play legos
Anonymous No.725337746 [Report] >>725337801
>>725337569
You could also not have been a friendless faggot and figure it out by word if mouth, faggot. Believe it or not, that's how most game secrets were discovered before internet saturation.
Anonymous No.725337779 [Report]
>>725336907
>having to search through some giant text file instead of dedicated pages for each individual item and enemy
Anonymous No.725337801 [Report]
>>725337746
that's not good game design
Anonymous No.725338113 [Report] >>725339028
>this game is bad because it doesn't constantly hold my hand!
Zoomers and millenials were a mistake.
Anonymous No.725338202 [Report]
Would love to see your bitch ass sent back to 2000 with DW1 where even if you looked up a guide it was always incomprehensible dogshit written by a 12 year old
Anonymous No.725338296 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Honestly Dorf Fort is the only thing in that image that needs a wiki to understand. The rest of the games are fine when it comes to exploring the worlds on their own.
Anonymous No.725338374 [Report] >>725338589 >>725339031 >>725340490
What's wrong with reading a fucking wiki, faggot? Do you want your hand held that bad?
Anonymous No.725338438 [Report]
you dont need to use the wiki for these games until you get to the very end of the game and you get autistic about min maxing everything or searching what crops give you the most money
Anonymous No.725338460 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
you can beat all those games without a wiki if you are intelligent thoughbeit
Anonymous No.725338467 [Report]
Wait, how is the sims wikislop?
Anonymous No.725338589 [Report]
>>725338374
why not just put the wiki in the game
Anonymous No.725338634 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
i've played the shit out of noita and dorf fort and a good amount of terraria, and i've never read the wikis
Anonymous No.725338663 [Report]
You could just play the game, experiment and figure it out yourself, ask your dad it's a boomer thing.
Anonymous No.725338665 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>no nethack
>a game wiki so ubiquitous and useful it caused contrarianism that /v/ could only dream of
Coward.
Anonymous No.725338672 [Report] >>725348031 >>725348308
>>725336302 (OP)
What does the Sims fail to explain
Anonymous No.725338712 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>sims
Wut? All you have to do is look up the cheats. I mean perhaps you do have to read a little in sims 3 when you need a shitload of optimization mods such as nraas but other than that it is not true

I can understand terraria, never played stardew or noita though
Anonymous No.725338727 [Report] >>725338901
>>725336907
yeah i love ctrl-f'ing one term in a giant txt and scrolling through 70 entries
Anonymous No.725338901 [Report]
>>725338727
Ummm yeah did you SEE that cool ASCII art?
Anonymous No.725338902 [Report] >>725339017
>>725336670
terraria has a really good way to deal with this though. the guide spawns with you, and he will absolutely lead you through the game. the problem is terrariafags are obsessed with optimization or missing anything. the idea of expert content bothers people so much that they aren't willing to actually play the standard difficulty which would teach you everything you needed to know to succeed in expert without ever having to leave the game.
Anonymous No.725338910 [Report] >>725339325
>just copy paste thing i saw on twitter
>instantly reach 5th most posted thread on /v/ at the time
ez
Anonymous No.725339017 [Report] >>725339090
>>725338902
The guide was far less helpful in the game originally IIRC, hence why wikis sprung up.
Anonymous No.725339028 [Report] >>725339086 >>725342973
>>725338113
Who are you quoting? I swear you fags are addicted to making up scenarios to get mad at
Anonymous No.725339031 [Report]
>>725338374
It spoils the fun of figuring shit out by yourself, but some devs are so retarded they make their game incredibly counterintuitive and cryptic.
Anonymous No.725339086 [Report] >>725339202
>>725339028
he's quoting OP's implication
Anonymous No.725339090 [Report] >>725339175
>>725339017
now he does tell you recipes but he always told you the next thing that needed to be done
Anonymous No.725339175 [Report] >>725339502
>>725339090
Crafting is a massive, massive part of the game. The next thing that needs to be done is often crafting a boss summoning item.
Anonymous No.725339202 [Report] >>725339275
>>725339086
>quoting an implication
Anonymous No.725339205 [Report] >>725360149
i too saw this tweet
Anonymous No.725339226 [Report] >>725339465
What do these people do when the wikis are wrong, which they frequently are?
Anonymous No.725339275 [Report]
>>725339202
If OP didn't like it, he shouldn't have made a shitpost thread to begin with.
Anonymous No.725339284 [Report] >>725357592
>>725337607
stardew had some stupid shit, some fish only spawning in certain conditions comes to mind
i get you might stumble on it by accident but i never felt a desire specifically to river fish at night or mountain fish in the rain
Anonymous No.725339325 [Report] >>725339446 >>725341131
>>725338910
OP did replace the head with a stickman one for whatever reason at least. Probably just to avoid deletion for a little longer but strange regardless.
Anonymous No.725339446 [Report] >>725339503
>>725339325
>thinking a mobilefag would go through the effort
no, it's just taken from another tweet
Anonymous No.725339465 [Report]
>>725339226
Click the edit button?
Anonymous No.725339502 [Report] >>725339714
>>725339175
the game doesn't force you to interact with one table though. it is pretty intuitive, you can reasonably put all the things in one room and just see what you can do by holding a bunch of interesting items. demon altars are the only exception, but that content is all optional anyways, a 'secret' like the shimmer
Anonymous No.725339503 [Report] >>725339584 >>725339654
>>725339446
HOLD IT!
I have the receipts!
Anonymous No.725339534 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Imagine needing a wiki to play the sims.
Anonymous No.725339584 [Report] >>725339809
>>725339503
left is infinitely more interesting
Anonymous No.725339654 [Report]
>>725339503
>i thought we were thinking of the same tweet
>i'm looking at some other retard reposting this instead
it's so fucking over i hate twitter
Anonymous No.725339685 [Report]
I realky like to read the dwarf fortress wiki from time to time, I dont even like the game, but reading about the mechanics is entertaining
Anonymous No.725339714 [Report] >>725340447
>>725339502
I've played the shit out of this game and I still forget recipes and go to a crafting station and wonder why the fuck the item I want isn't showing up.
Anonymous No.725339737 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Filtered lmfao
Anonymous No.725339809 [Report] >>725342980
>>725339584
thank you
Anonymous No.725340263 [Report]
i beat terraria without a wiki alone
Anonymous No.725340319 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>find floating islands or get stuck in a rape loop
terraria fucking blows man
Anonymous No.725340447 [Report]
>>725339714
was that your problem when skeletron was the final boss? because the game has a recipe browser now
Anonymous No.725340490 [Report]
>>725338374
>"whats wrong with being spoonfed, faggot? do you want your hand held that bad?"
Anonymous No.725340582 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
There is nothing you NEED a wiki for in Stardew. If you can't figure out the mechanics, consider getting tested for mental retardation.
Anonymous No.725340721 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Terraria quite literally has every recipe in the game for you to see and the guide tells you at to do no matter which point of the game you are.
Anonymous No.725340867 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>stardew valley & the sims
they're fine as is
>noita
it's playable but hard and confusing
>f&h
actual wikislop with trial and error difficulty, looking up a wiki is a matter of convenience
Anonymous No.725340882 [Report] >>725341110
Mark that as another victory for Vintage Story.
Anonymous No.725340941 [Report]
>>725336957
Based beyond belief
Anonymous No.725341007 [Report] >>725341183 >>725348653
>>725336302 (OP)
>the binding of Isaac
Anonymous No.725341110 [Report] >>725348551
>>725340882
i always meant to try this game but i was already burnt out from open world survival craft nonsense
Anonymous No.725341131 [Report]
>>725339325
I rather like it as anyone who posts wojaks deserve to be shipped off to fight in a war.
Anonymous No.725341165 [Report]
>I LOVE yellow paint
Anonymous No.725341183 [Report] >>725341281
>>725341007
I almost edited Isaac and Minecraft into the image, but Isaac recently added item descriptions so I'm being generous. Same with Minecrafts recipe book. At least they're trying.
Anonymous No.725341204 [Report] >>725341313 >>725341345 >>725341382
i decided to play f&h1 blind then i equipped a random anti-bleeding ring and boom i could not get rid of it
so yeah fuck this kind of game
Anonymous No.725341281 [Report]
>>725341183
I suppose such an update is only for the most recent version of the game. And no way I'm buying this again.
Anonymous No.725341313 [Report]
>>725341204
trial & error
its not a game, its a boring spreadsheet
Anonymous No.725341345 [Report] >>725341382
>>725341204
same kind of thing happed to me with underrail, apparently the stats i chose to start my character softlocked me before what i felt was the tutorial ended, why even have the choice. had to look up what went wrong and found out, gave up after that, fuck off
Anonymous No.725341348 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
you don't need a wiki for the sims...
Anonymous No.725341374 [Report] >>725361091
>>725336302 (OP)
>Why can't games just tell you how to do the fucking things IN THE ACTUAL GAME
TL;DR: In well designed games wikis are used as cheats to skip a tedious mechanic. In badly designd games it is a requirement to use the wiki to know how to play right.
Sometimes it's a feature.
Stardew Valley's wiki helped me avoid all the trial and error in gifting.
And Graveyard Kepper is a must to skip the alchemy learning curve.
So it's kinda like cheating since the above games expected you to try all the gifts, or learn what resource produces which alchmical ingredient; it helps you to skip that part and focus on the game's other more enjoyable mechanics.
Also Stellaris' wiki helped a ton but that's a given in such a complex game.
For other games, like Terraria, it's a flawed design to have no way intuative or learned to know key facts about the game. Like how to harvest meteor, or where ingrediants for specific potions spawn, or that building arenas for boss-fights is a good idea, or how to deal with hell's hostile environment etc. etc. etc. Some you learn by youraself and that's good design; like build really high and you'll find sky islands exist or destroy enough shadow orbs and summon a boss that might make you freak out. But it seems the devs don't really care which mechanic is good and which is bad and kinda crammed it all in there.
Don't Starve is also en example of a badly designed game that wiki use is required for you to know how to play at all past the basics like making a fire at night. Some is trial and error and some is completly arbitrary. Oxygen Not Included is another one that you'd have a bad time playing without community support.
Other than Terraria and Don't Starve and ONI no other game comes to mind that has bad design as opposed to just a steep learning curve.
I'd elaborate about DS and ONI but I'm reaching char limit.
Anonymous No.725341382 [Report]
>>725341204
the ring does say its "CURSED" if you check the description
though in your defense, some weapons are "CURSED" but perfectly fine
Miro just wasn't good with English I think when he made F&H1, but the "Cursed Weapons" could have been like, "Enchanted" or something.
>>725341345
you didn't miss much. the game is kinda boring
Anonymous No.725341408 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>the sims
insane bait
Anonymous No.725341532 [Report] >>725341629 >>725341945
>Expected Vintage Story to be cock and ball torture
>Has an elaborate in-game wiki and text tutorial that explains everything in bite-sized chunks with hyperlinking that's all handled offline so I can access it on pirated copies
I was honestly shocked.
I pogged, as the kids would call it.
Anonymous No.725341629 [Report] >>725341702 >>725341709 >>725347976 >>725348640
>>725341532
vintage story is the definition of modslop and qolslop
Anonymous No.725341702 [Report]
>>725341629
>slopslop post
Anonymous No.725341709 [Report]
>>725341629
I don't know what you're trying to communicate to me and I don't care. Please demonstrate your lobotomy elsewhere, faggot.
Anonymous No.725341721 [Report] >>725341837 >>725341883
>>725336302 (OP)
Games used to come with a manual
Anonymous No.725341795 [Report]
Crusader Kings 3 is a shit game but its nested tooltips are amazing
Anonymous No.725341837 [Report]
>>725341721
the manual often did not say shit
Anonymous No.725341883 [Report] >>725341962
>>725341721
I too long for the days when a half inch thick book I could read on the toilet every day came with my game that contained 50% lore the game was about to contradict and 50% information about gameplay that the game was also about to contradict. The good old days, unironically.
Anonymous No.725341945 [Report]
>>725341532
>I pogged, as the kids would call it.
maybe kids in 2015
Anonymous No.725341962 [Report]
>>725341883
i thought it was kino to include a manual that had genuinely just incorrect information
Anonymous No.725341969 [Report] >>725342078 >>725342307 >>725342571
I wish I could just play without looking stuff up but I don't trust games to not waste my time anymore
Anonymous No.725342078 [Report]
>>725341969
if you get stuck, genuinely stuck then it's fine but if you look things up before you even get to them then you i believe you just fucking hate video games and should find another hobby
Anonymous No.725342229 [Report]
idk needing to use documentation to be able to operate a software product seems reasonable and even natural to me
Anonymous No.725342307 [Report]
>>725341969
If I get stuck at something that the dev considered natural, I just uninstall. I tried a demo for some dungeon diving game and it told me to pull a lever to activate the elevator and I could not for the life of me find it. I spent probably 5 minutes looking for this lever, and just said fuck it. If the hub was this broken, surely the rest of the game was shit too.
Anonymous No.725342404 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
what is esoteric about stardew valley?
Anonymous No.725342546 [Report] >>725347742
>>725336302 (OP)
>Unlock weapon damage perk
>Description: Increases damage with melee weapons
>Wiki: +10% damage with melee weapons
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THIS GAME?
Anonymous No.725342571 [Report]
>>725341969
All games waste your time, anon.
Anonymous No.725342686 [Report]
>I don't have UNO
>check the wiki
>Informs me that I have UNO and that it came free with my Xbox (I have the oldest Xbox known to man)
Thank you wiki
Anonymous No.725342973 [Report]
>>725339028
He's quoting OP
>"Why can't games just tell you how to do the fucking things IN THE ACTUAL GAME"
This is literally hand-holding and spoonfeeding the most low IQ of people, because now it's not about you figuring out which one is the better option, it just straight up gives you the choice between 20% more DPS or 50% more DPS.
Anonymous No.725342980 [Report]
>>725339809
>that angle, that high
this guy is gaming on the gladosbox
Anonymous No.725345065 [Report]
Where is the Termina update?
Anonymous No.725347742 [Report]
>>725342546
>Melee Master Perk
>In-game: Improves your melee skill
>Wiki: Swords (but not spears, warhammers, or daggers) are twice as likely to apply secondary effects. This perk does not effect the actual Melee Skill.
Anonymous No.725347976 [Report]
>>725341629
Anonymous No.725348031 [Report]
>>725338672
that girls can also have a penis
Anonymous No.725348308 [Report]
>>725338672
What lifetime reward items do.
And those are super expensive so you want to look it up before you buy.
Anonymous No.725348351 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Kneel.
Anonymous No.725348415 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
ive never used a wiki for sims its not that hard to dick around in it
Anonymous No.725348551 [Report]
>>725341110
Its good but it really is very tedious to craft 1 tool or weapon takes time and space meanwhile Minecraft is just "click on this block arrange the material and you get thing" its fun survival craft slop though and actually engages you to deal with the environment.
Anonymous No.725348640 [Report]
>>725341629
I'll never forget when moot said the next gen will be severely retarded from being handheld by technology, and to never let them on this site
Anonymous No.725348643 [Report] >>725348669
do you prefer to read the instruction booklet or have a mandatory 2 hour tutorial?
Anonymous No.725348653 [Report] >>725355394 >>725355952
>>725341007
to defeat the real mom you have to
>defeat moms foot
>defeat moms heart 11 times
>start a new game and enter the new flooded area after boss 1 or boss 2
>find a white flame to kill yourself and turn into a soul
>find a mirror and enter the mirrored world
>find knife piece 1 in the mirrored treasure room
>return to regular world and continue onwards
>enter the newly opened mines area
>enter the super secret mines area after defeating the boss
>press every yellow button to find an ultra secret mine area
>collect knife piece 2 while an invincible boss is chasing you
>continue normally and defeat moms foot and moms heart again
>use the combined knife to open another secret room after the bosses
>now you can actually fight the real mom (after finishing the floor)
you should be able to figure this out without a guide
Anonymous No.725348669 [Report] >>725350339
>>725348643
yea instruction manuals used to have a lot of care and thought put into them with exclusive artwork often times.
Anonymous No.725348913 [Report]
>>725336592
why are people ignoring this? Zoomers can't possibly be this fucking stupid
>The sims
ok they can be
Anonymous No.725349029 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Sir? Your second monitor?
Anonymous No.725349265 [Report]
test
Anonymous No.725349531 [Report]
Casual doesn't even have Nethack in the image
Anonymous No.725349858 [Report] >>725350341
>>725336302 (OP)
you have to understand that nobody wants you around, anon
when devs to this, it's to filter people like you, specifically, out of the community
Anonymous No.725350339 [Report] >>725361921
>>725348669

now they are obsolete because muh trees and "no one read them anyway"
Anonymous No.725350341 [Report]
>>725349858
Incorrect.

It's to get people like OP to ask on the forums for advice on how to do anything and thus generate more discussion around the game for the sake of inflating the algorithm stats.
Anonymous No.725350503 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I'd take noita out of that list because discovering esoteric shit through extremely vague hints in the game in itself
Anonymous No.725351970 [Report] >>725354883
>>725337598
>go down, go down further and then damage the final boss
how are you beating the final boss with 3 damage wand
Anonymous No.725352174 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>The Binding of Isaac FINALLY added an in-game item descriptor so you can play it without a wiki or the external descriptions mod
Only took him 14 fucking years honestly it was fine in the original flash game because it only had like 100 items compared to the 700+ in Reptentence, and there weren't as many items that instantly fucked you over for taking them
Anonymous No.725352263 [Report]
The sims?
Wikislop????
I've never been to a Sims wiki and I've played them for ~20 years
Anonymous No.725352269 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I actually enjoy a deep game where you get limited in-game info so it forces you to explore. There's always something to learn
Anonymous No.725352302 [Report] >>725352958
>>725336302 (OP)
Add underrail to this.
Anonymous No.725352859 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I used a walkthrough ONCE for Termina, and that was just to learn there was a fucking chandler in the church that could be cut. I didn't need any help for 1 either.
Anonymous No.725352958 [Report] >>725353171 >>725353418 >>725369928
>>725336764
>>725352302
Am i legit the only person in the world to beat underrail without a wiki?
>weird green guys invade
>be nice to them
>they end up being nice to me
Anonymous No.725353171 [Report]
>>725352958
Nah, same. Some people are just incapable of playing games on their own, but Underrail is best played without crutches. So I both love and hate epeli for making the wiki what it is and indirectly causing this.
Anonymous No.725353418 [Report] >>725354009 >>725356882
>>725352958
Not him but you should use wiki or you miss out on some important quests or you fuck up your build. Using the character planner is still using the wiki bte
Anonymous No.725354009 [Report] >>725354107 >>725354357
>>725353418
Nah that's retarded. There's no info in the character planner that isn't directly accessible from the character building menu right at the start, it just organizes it.
Anonymous No.725354092 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I got like 200 hours in stardew valley and haven't used the wiki, it's a chill farming game why are you trying to minmax?
Anonymous No.725354107 [Report] >>725356147
>>725354009
>no info in the character planner that isn't directly accessible from the character building menu right at the start
Anonymous No.725354357 [Report] >>725356046 >>725356882 >>725358036
>>725354009
Gun strength requirements
Armour strength requirements
How dex and agility work
What recipes need what stats
Workbench bonuses
There's a load of shit you can't know
Anonymous No.725354883 [Report] >>725355289
>>725351970
>game is about plugging weird thingies to see what they do and learning to engineer them into superweapons
>anon (subhuman) wants to skip the fun part
Anonymous No.725355289 [Report] >>725369741
>>725354883
you said it's just going down and damaging the boss, retard
Anonymous No.725355339 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>wikislop
So you're fucking retarded or something and needed to invent a new -slop phrase to validate your dumbass?
Anonymous No.725355394 [Report]
>>725348653
I miss when the alt endings in Isaac were just
>keep beating the game and unlocking more floors, then do it faster
Repentance/Antibirth were a mistake.
Anonymous No.725355412 [Report]
you aren't supposed to know everything about the simulation, you're supposed to let yourself be subjected to it
Anonymous No.725355479 [Report] >>725358343
>>725336302 (OP)
>stardew
>the sims
>needs a wiki
u wot m8?
Anonymous No.725355482 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
The only time I read a wiki was when I couldn't figure out what the fuck which omega/etc modifier spell I was looking for was called in noita.
Anonymous No.725355924 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Because people with a three digit IQ aren't afraid of reading.
>>725336670
>Something like an in-game wiki wouldn't be elegant so they don't do stuff like that.
There is literally no benefit to putting a wiki in-game beyond satisfying autists who are looking for a reason to hate the game anyway.
Just use the external wiki.
Anonymous No.725355952 [Report]
>>725348653
You could have posted many of the obtuse character unlock requirements or the challenge run or speedrun ones that don't have any feedback you're doing things right. But instead you call pressing very obvious buttons on the floor and going to a prominent locked door "ultra secret".
Anonymous No.725355969 [Report]
Niggas be like you don't need wiki until pic rel appears
Anonymous No.725356046 [Report] >>725356195
>>725354357
Isn't that like creating a character in a TTRPG while refusing to actually read the section on how your stats work and scale?
Anonymous No.725356125 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I don't know what that top right one is. But fear and hunger is the only one that's tedious and requires multiple playthroughs because its easy to fuck something up or miss something
Anonymous No.725356147 [Report]
>>725354107
I mean, relevant info, but even that is wrong due to the guy below your post.
Anonymous No.725356195 [Report] >>725356882 >>725356935
>>725356046
Yes, that's why you use the wiki.
Anonymous No.725356241 [Report] >>725356440
>>725336670
Has any other game really done the equivalent of the pocketbook in majoras mask? Keeping track of people patterns and what's going on with them?

I know mass effect has their wiki stuff. But 90% of it is annoying information that 90% of people don't want to read so it turns you off from reading other shit.
Anonymous No.725356286 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Wiki deez nuts lmao
Anonymous No.725356440 [Report]
>>725356241
>Keeping track of people patterns and what's going on with them?
I've never seen anything like that, but then again, I've never seen another game like Majora's Mask. There's not that many timeloop games that I'm aware of, it's all visual novels, manga, light novels, etc.
Anonymous No.725356689 [Report] >>725356763
We need to return to dial in help from e-boys
Anonymous No.725356763 [Report]
>>725356689
What are e-boys
Anonymous No.725356830 [Report] >>725361057
>>725336459
Terraria has Guide to tell you all you need to know to progress - you can also give him an item to list all the recipes that use it
Anonymous No.725356882 [Report] >>725358172
>>725353418
>>725354357
>>725356195
if that's what you want to do to save time, fine, but don't act like you actually need to do that
Anonymous No.725356935 [Report]
>>725356195
I misread your post. My bad.
Anonymous No.725357342 [Report] >>725358343
>xhe needed a wiki for stardew
you might be genuinely retarded
and why did you edit out the jak, nigger?
Anonymous No.725357592 [Report]
>>725339284
>some fish only spawning in certain conditions
I'm pretty sure Willy and the electric jew explicitly tell you about the conditions for every uncommon fish.
Anonymous No.725358036 [Report] >>725358172
>>725354357
You will learn all of that while playing the fucking game. Nothing in the game is introduced so late that you wouldn't be able to adjust in just a few levels, and your build can't possibly be so shit that it can't survive some accidental minor overinvestment in social skills.
Anonymous No.725358172 [Report] >>725358620 >>725359902
>>725356882
>>725358036
You mean you'll waste 10 hours and have to play everything again because I wanted to use rifles but didn't realise they were gated behind STR?? No thanks broski! I'd rather use the wiki, oh and fuck your mutagen puzzles, phone booths and DLC time limit. Styg designed to game under the assumption player will use guides
Anonymous No.725358343 [Report]
>>725357342
>>725355479
i hope you had fun trying to fish out jellies for the fish smoker
Anonymous No.725358414 [Report]
ITT consolefags seething
Anonymous No.725358497 [Report] >>725359646
>ctrl+f Factorio
>0 results
terrible thread
Factorio has an actual in-game wiki you can access at any time that gives you all the information you need about every single item in the game
if games like tboi or terraria had that they would just be better period
also
>F&H
>Stardew
>wiki games
terrible bait
Anonymous No.725358620 [Report] >>725359501
>>725358172
>You mean you'll waste 10 hours and have to play everything again because I wanted to use rifles but didn't realise they were gated behind STR??
Nigger are you retarded. It's right there in the stat descriptions.
>Strength
>It's also important for characters who intend to use heavier weapons =such as sniper and assault rifles, grenade launchers, LMGs, miniguns, sledgehammers and spears)
Read, you idiot, READ.
No wonder you can't solve puzzles either.
Anonymous No.725359501 [Report] >>725359916 >>725359942
>>725358620
Literally tells you nothing, that's 6-10 req range
>No wonder you can't solve puzzles either
If you played the game you'd know you can't solve puzzles with wiki, wiki only helps you to find the puzzle locations

Nigger
Anonymous No.725359634 [Report]
Wikifags are the same people that bought strategy guides. Times have changed, people have not.
Anonymous No.725359646 [Report] >>725369982
>>725358497
Terraria has always had an in-game guide that tells you what you make using any material you bring him, which is more than enough to figure out the game. TBOI used to be simple and didn't need a guide, but the millions of expansions bloated it out of proportion and the creator admitted as much, and just two months ago they finally decided to add item descriptions and now the game is playable without a guide again.
Anonymous No.725359717 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Its how devs monetise their game beyond the box price without micro transactions. It is absolutely gay Jewish behavior and I hate it. Bet you feel like a dumb fucking Indian fucker now, huh?
Anonymous No.725359902 [Report]
>>725358172
>fuck your mutagen puzzle
Never used the solver, fuck gathering the mutagens in the first place
Anonymous No.725359916 [Report] >>725360208
>>725359501
It warns you to not dump STR if you want to use those weapons. And you will encounter them early enough that you can have your first AR by the time you go to GMS even if for some dumb reason you left it at the baseline 5 at the start. Does adjusting your build on the fly give you an anxiety attack, or what?

And haven't we already established that using solvers is the same fucking shit as being reliant on the wiki to play the game for you?
Anonymous No.725359942 [Report]
>>725359501
With swords that becomes a 5-10 req range.
Anonymous No.725359975 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
why would you need wiki for sims?
Anonymous No.725360026 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Filtered. If you weren't playing Terraria at launch then it's your own fault. Fucking newfags.
Anonymous No.725360089 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Not everything needs to be explained, but I do find Fear and Hunger annoying in this regard.
Not for story shit but for gameplay. I never had a problem with Noita, Terraria, Stardew or Sims.
Anonymous No.725360149 [Report]
>>725339205
Absolute state of nu-chan
Anonymous No.725360165 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Fear and Hunger is pure trial and error, and it's boring trial and error at that.
Anonymous No.725360208 [Report] >>725360327
>>725359916
>Does adjusting your build on the fly give you an anxiety attack, or what?
You're blacker than Saint Floyd, you can't adjust your build mid game. You get extra stat every 4 or so levels meaning you're halfway done before you can unlock shit you want to use
Anonymous No.725360327 [Report] >>725360397
>>725360208
>You get extra stat every 4
Exactly. By level 4 you can pump your STR to 6, which is enough to use the lighter ARs. Level 4 is GMS, the third quest in the game, about the middle of the tutorial. What even is your problem?
Anonymous No.725360397 [Report] >>725360898
>>725360327
>Lighter
>ARs
Still not enough to tincan, not enough to use SHIELDS. Nigga just admit it's unplayable without a wiki
Anonymous No.725360550 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
needs 'Slay the Spire' and 'Binding of Isaac'
Anonymous No.725360551 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Warframe is this genre
Anonymous No.725360675 [Report]
Vintage Story has an in game handbook showing things you can make, guides and what not. You can also loosely figure things out yourself through severe trial and error.
Anonymous No.725360894 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
Its crazy how that game doesn't teach you even the basics about the weapons and everytime you want to learn a new weapon you have to watch a 30minutes YouTube video
Anonymous No.725360898 [Report]
>>725360397
>wants to use heavy armor
>dumps STR
Man. Just.
You know what, keep using the wiki. I think you need it.
Anonymous No.725361057 [Report] >>725361182 >>725371963
>>725356830
that's why it's funny people used to advise you to murder the Guide out of some weird autistic hatred for him. they just WANTED to rely on the Wiki instead of on the nice Guide all he asks for is a cell in your commieblock
Anonymous No.725361091 [Report] >>725370478
>>725341374
the ONI one makes me mad because the amount of crazy shit you can do with the mechanics is insane.
but there are so many poorly explained systems and it takes so long to build in survival that you feel you have to look it up rather than spend 30 minutes piping steam out of a room again to just fuck it up.
Anonymous No.725361182 [Report] >>725371963
>>725361057
You literally find out he's satan at the end of easy mode it's not autistic hatred
Anonymous No.725361921 [Report] >>725362080
>>725350339
game?
Anonymous No.725362080 [Report]
>>725361921
Looks like the newest rune factory
Anonymous No.725362106 [Report] >>725362823
>>725336302 (OP)
playing Noita without wiki is the actual intended ancient alchemist way of experience secrets and mysteries
Anonymous No.725362274 [Report] >>725363574
escape from tarkov is the worst offender for this

all quests that require to find any item(that isnt just loot) are legit just "look up the location on the wiki" cause you'd waste million years finding it yourself otherwise
Anonymous No.725362823 [Report] >>725364662
>>725362106
yeah, i'm sure you solved the cessation cipher all by yourself lol
Anonymous No.725363140 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
ZOOLOGIST TITS
MILK MILKY MILKERS CHOCOLATE MILK PLEASE FEED ME MOMMY GUB GUB GUB GOO GOO DAA DAA I'M A LITTLE THIRSTY BABY PLEASE FEED ME YOUR CHOCCY MILKY ZOOLOGIST
Anonymous No.725363574 [Report]
>>725362274
You're meant to play the game and eventually find it retard not speed run the quests
Anonymous No.725364662 [Report]
>>725362823
nigga I made the font
Anonymous No.725365979 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
just remove the bloat ong
Anonymous No.725366046 [Report]
the main point of dwarf fortress is literally learning by losing, Noita and fear & hunger are rougelikes, games designed to make you get farther every time you play, learn new thing, try new combination, terraria + stardew valley are just the design, didnt play the sims so idk about it

but these games are designed to not need wiki, but to make you learn by playing and losing

if you haven't played minecraft, you would also say it's wikislop, mc dosen't tell you much, but that is the point

also I completed terraria and noita without using wiki, so I have some experience
Anonymous No.725366064 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
I prefer intuitable games too but there's plenty of appeal to being able to dive into something with complexity. Also you're a coward for not putting minecraft on there. Just because most people have internalized lots of its quirks doesn't mean it's not full of bs you have to look up.
Anonymous No.725368531 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
>fear & hunger
it’s literally anti-wikislop, if you look up stuff about that game it ruins it
Anonymous No.725369741 [Report] >>725369824
>>725355289
the guy you're replying to isn't me
>he plays isaac and picks up items
>he plays gungeon and picks up items/guns
>he plays noita and goes "OUUGHH WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO???"
Holy fuck you're retarded
Anonymous No.725369824 [Report] >>725369973
>>725369741
you're both retarded and illiterate
Anonymous No.725369828 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
sims?????
Anonymous No.725369861 [Report]
I don't use wikis anyways in Noita
Anonymous No.725369928 [Report]
>>725352958
>wasting points in lockpick/hacking when there are hard caps
i would RATHER FUCKING DIE
Anonymous No.725369973 [Report] >>725370067
>>725369824
You're the one having trouble understanding what to do in Noita.
Anonymous No.725369982 [Report]
>>725359646
What kind of autism made TBOI devs not tell what the items do?
Anonymous No.725370015 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
If they did you'd complain about them having bloated tutorials
Anonymous No.725370057 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
because the devs don't know themselves.
Anonymous No.725370067 [Report] >>725370238
>>725369973
just in your clearly unwell head
Anonymous No.725370192 [Report]
only souls games i have to look at a guide because of boss fight mechanics. this is ff7 remake is much better simply because of the assess materia

any other games it's probably just FOMO
Anonymous No.725370238 [Report] >>725370317
>>725370067
cope
Anonymous No.725370317 [Report]
>>725370238
you don't need to sign your posts here
Anonymous No.725370478 [Report]
>>725361091
Without the community I'd never have known how to build a half-rodriguez, a petroleum boiler, use steam turbines to delete heat, using cooling loops, or use petroleum in a loop as a metal refinery coolent, dumping the heat into a steam room with turbines sucking it all out etc.
My colonies whould just die. I did invent a few things though, like automated greenhouses and automatic capsule critter farming, among other things.
Anonymous No.725371473 [Report]
>>725336302 (OP)
you are missing dark souls and other souls games
Anonymous No.725371770 [Report]
Necesse is one of the best terraria-likes on the market because it has a journal that serves as an ingame wiki that doesn't entirely spoil every little thing but at the same time nudges you in the right direction.
Anonymous No.725371963 [Report]
>>725361057
You have to kill him or you literally cannot proceed past the halfway point of the game. There's no hatred in it. You simply cannot summon wall of flesh without doing it.

>>725361182
That's one hell of an interpretation. You find an effigy of him in hell, but I don't feel like that implies he's evil or anything.