Thread 725527310

The remake removed the depth out of reloading. In the original reloading at the wrong time could mean death since you were stationary and couldn't cancel out of it. It created a relationship of risk and decision-making in the gameplay. But thanks to the remake allowing you to move out of harm's way even while reloading, there's no longer any decision-making associated with reloading. You always move while reloading. Why wouldn't you? It's now nothing more than a momentary halt in the action.

There's a webm of MatthewMatosis playing OG4 and it shows him dying because he reloaded when chainsaw guy was right in front of him. If this was the remake, he would've just moved out of the way and suffered no consequences.

I'm not reading all that

>>725527310 (OP)
You must be trans.

>>725527310 (OP)
Im surprised by how much the remake is defended here of all places
I did like it quite a lot but its night and day with the original for me and too many of the changes felt like trying to mash remake 2 mechanics into re4 and theres almost always worse overall
I also hate the addition of crafting and knife durability
Also the obsession AAA games seem to have these days of rudimentary stealth and stealth kills, adding shit like that into re4 of all games is fucking insane to me
Theres the og which pioneered and popularised and entire genre of games and then theres the remake that mashes current trends into an iconic classic

>>725527310 (OP)
>Parry
>Knife durability
>Stealth kills

>>725527310 (OP)
>there's no longer any decision-making associated with reloading.
It also got increasing irrelevant when you can reload guns in less than a second with less frequency from higher capacities with upgrades.

>>725527310 (OP)
If it's modern, it's bad.

no the real problem with the remake is that every change they made they had to counter to balance it, and then they had to balance the counter as well

>okay leon can move and shoot now
>uhh okay make the enemies lunge at you instead of running up and pausing
>okay enemies are too aggressive, we need to add a parry
>uhh okay well parrying is problematic we need to add knife durability
>okay well the knife breaks too fast
>uhh okay we'll let you upgrade the knife
>okay well you have to upgrade everything else too how are you going to have the money
>uhh okay you remember the merchant missions we'll add like 50 more of those and make them last the entire game

and it just keeps going and going and going forever and ever
this game is for dipshits

>>725527310 (OP)
>But thanks to the remake allowing you to move out of harm's way
But the movement is so shit it balances out, kek

>>725527581
>opinion I don't like
>MUST BE A TRANNY
I'm all for shitting on trannies, but can we make actual arguments instead of lazy anti-engagement like this?

The original and the remake having different mechanics is good because it differentiates them and makes both games worth playing.

>>725527310 (OP)
>depth
>resident evil

>>725527310 (OP)
nice copypasta thread op

>>725527310 (OP)
Ahh yes the "depth" of og re4 where you could insta stun every ganado with a single bullet, knife regenerators to death, and get free, full magnum reloads from the merchant. Og re4 is casual slop and you are an attention seeking tranny.

>>725527310 (OP)
>
There's a webm of MatthewMatosis playing OG4 and it shows him dying because he reloaded when chainsaw guy was right in front of him. If this was the remake, he would've just moved out of the way and suffered no consequences.
Literally who? You can bait a chainsaw ganado and then knife them in the face, stun then kick to the ground. Easy game.

>>725527310 (OP)
No one cares
The remake isn't the original
The original is still available for purchase

>>725528680
>Game is for dipshits
Only dipshit here is you.

you can parry anything with a knife including a CHAINSAW

>>725529853
>>725529893
>>725529940
>>725529982
Resident Souls 4: Evil Die Twice

>>725527310 (OP)
None of the remakes are better than the original games.

>>725529223
only a tranny would say that

>>725529318
Would be fine if Capcpm weren't trying to erase the original games.

I have no idea why people have such a fondness for the RE4 knife when its one of most underwhelming parts of the game. Knocking a zombie down and knifing him 6 times just looks and feels stupid. Knifing "to save ammo" is just a complete trap that slows the game down and makes it less fun, and only tricks people who don't understand how the ammo drop system works into thinking it really does something. It's literally just a failsafe from the developers a convenient way to break boxes. Even if you were heavily trying to save ammo with it, using it for damage past act 1 becomes pretty suicidal pretty quickly.

>>725530698
>Type in Resident Evil 4 on Steam
>It's currently on sale as part of the "Capcom Halloween Deals"

Ah yes, their evil plan to erase the original game by actively promoting it, how diabolical.

>>725530781
Notice how you didnt bring up the original RE games 1 2 and 3.

>>725527310 (OP)
> it shows him dying because he reloaded when chainsaw guy was right in front of him
Why do you care, this could only happen if youre a fucking retard. Are you a retard anon?

>>725530719
I’m sorry your transition surgery got delayed

>>725531047
>>725531432

>>725527310 (OP)
>There's a webm of [eceleb fag]
Kill yourself

>>725527310 (OP)
Even back in like 07 there was a gamefaqs autist beating OG knife only. I remember he got stuck at the water room (predictably) because obviously you can't knife the ganados while ashley tries to turn the cranks. But the point being even before streaming and speed running and mass degeneracy in gaming RE4 was so piss easy knife only was not even a real challenge. Some literally who retard being a shitter doesn't change that the game is ridiculously easy.

>>725527310 (OP)
In the original you win the game just by knifing/shooting one enemy in the face and knocking down 20 others in a single kick. It's much easier than the remake.

>>725531469
>they're trying to erase the original games
>by putting them on gog and allowing you to purchase them in current year

for me, its the shitty
>walk in a direction
>takes 3 steps before stopping
made the game fucking infuriating

>>725532998
For me its
>run up to ganado to melee followup
>leon decides the box next to the ganado is a bigger threat and locks onto that instead
>the ganado is no longer stunned
>he grabs you
I understand the context sensitive box break is to accommodate a breakable knife, but then I argue having a breakable knife at all is retarded

parry this

>>725533269
the mentality of taking a game with extremely tight and resposive controls then add all this floaty and vague movement is a mastercraft in making me want to gouge their fucking eyes out

>>725532728
It was GOG themselves that said that capcom questioned why would you want this crummy old games when the better remakes are out.

>>725529853
>>725529893
>>725529940
>>725529982
SEX WITH LEON!

>>725533882
Sure but in the end they allowed them to put the games up for purchase and I'm pretty sure you can still buy them on playstation as well.

>>725533382
Exactly
You could argue re4 is 'too easy' because its 'solved' but the game is so tightly designed and just nice to play that its still no wonder its one of the best games ever made
The remake is fun, it does some things I really liked, but it ultimately feels too random and floaty for me to ever consider it anywhere near as great as the original and I still think og re4 is too modern and too perfect to warrant a remake in the first place
Especially not one that copies lazy trends from other AAA games when the original was so unique and groundbreaking when it came out
Some nigger will take umbrage with this comparison, but its like trying to repaint the mona lisa, why bother?

Reloading takes 1 second. It's barely a mechanic. You are 100% wrong OP. Resident Evil 4 Remake is a "more challenging", "complex", and "deeper" game than the original Gamecube classic.

But I don't want that, that shit is fucking gay, I want my arcade shooter. The lean 10 hour all killer no filler experience is completely missing in favor of goofy fiddly shit like sidequests and weapon durability.

>>725535168
RE4 is anything but perfect with how garbage its weapon balance is.
And that's the thing that to me makes 4Remake superior: every weapon matters

>>725535368
>Reloading takes 1 second.
Sure, if you have a fully upgraded handgun maybe
Run out of ammo with a fully upgraded Riot Gun and try to reload with a Ganado in your face and you're going to eat shit
I don't know where this cult like Remake good Original bad mentality has come from but it borders on shill behaviour

>>725535368
>reddit space

>>725530698
This is such a weird complaint about Capcom specifically. Tons of publishers do this: make old versions impossible to buy and try force only remakes to be talked about.

But Capcom of all companies is pretty good at preserving the old games. You can buy classic RE1,2,3 on GoG and PlayStation. You can buy classic RE4 on pretty much everything ever made. Even Dino crisis 1+2 got ports.

>>725535787
>the dogshit bolt thrower
>mattering
you guys all take the plaga and join the hivemind or something?

>>725535959
Did you read the rest of my post I hate this fucking game.

>>725536018
>didn't play on hardcore since it scared him too much
>doesn't know the ammo economy important of the GOAThrower
Feels like I'm playing amongus with my nephew from how big a self-report this is

>>725527349
>Three lines

Jeez dude, are you for real?

>>725536146
Wrong
>played on hardcore (im not a faggot and beat og professional)
>tried for so long to make the bolt thrower work but threw that shit in the trash by the castle
give me back the mine thrower you piece of shit

>>725536093
I didn't, I thought you were a fag cultist.
I was wrong, you are based. My bad anon.

>>725536018
I wasn't even thinking about it lol, yeah it's oddly half baked. At least it has utility in stunlocking the dog miniboss.

>>725536146
I don't see how bolt thrower would help. If you're in need of ammo, you will just get more drops just like in og.
People have this weird assumption that you're starved for resources in remake but it's simply the drop system becoming strict once you start accumulating resources.

>>725530719
the only unfun part of knifing enemies on the ground in og re4 is how slow it is to aim downward

>>725535368
>Resident Evil 4 Remake is a "more challenging",
Yes
>"complex",
No
>and "deeper" game than the original Gamecube classic.
No

>>725534345
Because they are still a company and that is basically free money or an incredibly minor cost if it doesn't make them any.
A financial decision like that dosen't change their stance or intent. Thet themselves view the remakes as replacements.

RE4 is the easiest way to tell if somebody knows even the slightest thing about gameplay design
Everything in RE4 was a delberate choice to encourage something specific
>tank controls = can't evade enemies easily
>over the shoulder, narrow FOV = poor awareness
>stationary while aiming/shooting = can't retreat and fight at the same time
>laser beam aim = tactile feeling, vital in a game where you mostly shoot at people very close (you need to know precisely what your shot will collide with)
>kick vs back kick = wide crowd control vs deep crowd control
>kick vs suplex = wide crowd control vs high single damage + no chance of plaga
etc.
If anybody whines about any of these, they're a fucking retard confirmed
And none of this was in the remake, because nudevs are incompetent and just clone other games over and over

>>725527310 (OP)
>he reloaded when chainsaw guy was right in front of him. If this was the remake, he would've just moved out of the way
Or cancelled the animation with a rules of nature parry, mashed out of course
>>725527872
>the obsession AAA games seem to have these days of rudimentary stealth and stealth kills, adding shit like that into re4 of all games is fucking insane
It actually transforms the early game completely
In the original, Leon gets attacked by rabid locals, who are clearly human. He's defending himself, and has no idea why they're attacking him.
In the remake, Leon is immediately happy to sneak up and stab them in the neck, without warning, no mercy
>>725528680
This 100%
Make good decisions = get good results
Make decisions just because = have to change more and more, worse and worse

played both and the remake is way harder, mainly because the humanoid enemies are less rigid and exploitable. i prefer the OG but lets not sit here and pretend a youtuber not looking at the screen and dying is somehow a sign of genius design

>>725533360
what's the source
don't tell me it's AI shit

>>725535368
Retard confirmed
Reloading is a deliberate choice
It forces the player to make a DECISION - is it safe to reload now? Can I escape to reload later?
Which follows on from a previous DECISION - should I keep shooting and expend all my ammo, or should I stop and reload early?
And results in more DECISIONS - turns to escape and sees more enemies coming from that direction. I'm now out of ammo - do I try to reload and accept damage now, or do I try another direction, or do I switch to another weapon or grenade, or do I try to dodge my way through, or...
Now the player is PANICKING, making DECISIONS, expressing player SKILL, and having FUN
Which is the WHOLE POINT

>>725537771
No dude you don't understand the incredibly basic design of RE4 is actually peak ludo that only a genius like Mikami-sama could produce. It was actually created with way more mechanics, but throughout testing they used mechanical darwinism to pare it down to the essentials. What you're left with is a highly-refined product, created using a process reminiscent of traditional Nipponese forging techniques.

>>725537771
I played the remake on the hard difficulty first since it said for players who played the original and it was only hard for two reasons

- item drops are retarded and completely changed from original where the game knew what ammo you needed and would dynamically adjust drop rates to keep the flow going, instead because I decided not to engage with the sidequest FAGGOTRY I didn't get the special attache cases that actually gave me the ability to get proper ammo drop rates
- the reticle on screen literally doesn't match where Leon is actually pointing; if you quick turn and try to fire the moment your reticle is on an enemies head it doesn't actually hit where you are aiming because Leon's retarded remake faggot ass hasn't shifted his faggot fucking weight yet and is still slowly turning and my gun is actually pointed off to the side

remake 4 is hot shit for zoomers and fuck anyone who tries to say it's better than the original

>>725527310 (OP)
It's not specifically about reloading, it's about spacing.

RE4 is all about spacing which is why Leon has no true defensive actions. RE4remake makes spacing irrelevant because Leon can dodge and fire while moving, and to balance this new dynamic the enemies are constantly forcing parries by being fast, magnetic and randomly immune to hitstun. There's less player dictated gameplay and more reactive scripted actions.

>>725538021
Reloading takes longer in the remake so you're thinking about the amount of time you're not going to be attacking and managing the enemies. In the original you think about reloading defensively, in the remake you think about reloading offensively.

>>725527310 (OP)
Remake 4 represents everything wrong about remakes.

Original: scripted, static, solved, like a turn-based rpg

Remake: dynamic, reactive, never plays out the same, designed like a fighting game

>>725538372
Yeah, RE4make is “harder” because the game forces you to play in a more rigid way, and trying to play like the original will result in frustration. You just have to accept the RNG, weird hitboxes, Simon Says melee attacks from enemies, and so on. The OG is basically a beat-em-up with guns. The zoomer devs who made the remake had no understanding of this.

>>725527310 (OP)
You have to be a drooling retard to die in the original since the kick and the shotgun can hit the entire screen. Fuck off with this bullshit, the remake is much harder to play

>>725538629
Remake is equally solved but less fun

>>725538704
>more rigid
lol

>>725527310 (OP)
I made exactly this argument to a bunch of zoomers, that both reloading and the ads planting you meant you had to be keenly aware of everything in front of and behind. They said they didn't care because of the tank controls. I almost vomited. I probably have higher mercenaries scores than anyone on this board, so you can imagine my frustration.

>>725539240
thanks lad

>>725538135
>incredibly basic design of RE4
One of the few genuine 10/10 games. Was so good that it became a trendsetter in game design for the next decade.
>incredibly basic
There. You've got your (You) now. Log off the internet and go outside now zoomie.

>>725539118
or you can just walk forward because the enemies are not fast enough to keep up with you
or you can swap weapons, which pauses the game

>>725538448
In the sense that its actually really good so /v/fags have to go the extra mile to make fun of it

>>725527310 (OP)
THE TITLE IS WRONG THE ORIGINAL GAME WAS CALLED 4 RESIDENT EVIL

>>725539118
I can't stand the people that complained about how you couldn't run and shoot in the original. The people making this complaint have never fired a gun. They're completely clueless as to just how inaccurate that is IRL. You want to actually hit something you're shooting at? Stop, fucking, moving.

>>725539932
>/k/ autist can't have fun

Remake > OG. Plays better and the tweaked level design makes each room/area more fun play.

>>725529695
The remake can be beaten by primarily pressing one button.

IF YOU CANT FUCK ASHLEY IN THE ASS ITS SHIT

>>725534345
>>725532728
The GOG versions border on unplayable and are the worst releases of any of the games and require extensive patching and downgrading to become on par with already existing fan projects.
This is not "Capcom supporting the release of the originals". They questioned this every step of the way and have never once even promoted this release. Everything has been done by GOG.

>demake removes all the epic QTE sequences
This is why it will never be taken seriously.

>>725540065
>You're not having fun like me so you don't have fun!
Shut up faggot. I had plenty of fun with the original RE4.

>>725540289
>qtes
>epic
is your favorite game heavy rain?

>>725539932
Within such short distances you can easily hit shit mid movement, especially with lasers or real life crosshairs aka holo.

>>725540456
>You're not having fun like me so you don't have fun!
Correct.

>>725540536
>demake defender tries to deflect
It is just another stripped back feature to make the game appeal to 80IQ modern gamers.

>>725540289
>QTEs in new game bad
>QTEs in old game good

>>725540596
Ah, so what you're really saying is that you're a boring funless retard. How sad for you.

>>725540572
Nope, borderline impossible.

RE4 should not be played at anything other than 30fps, it feels wrong and takes the magic away.

>>725540646
it's not a feature, it's a crutch for developers who can't incorporate the scene into gameplay
It's worse than watching a cutscene because you need to focus on where the button prompt will appear and the only consequence of failure is having to watch it again

>>725540808
why yes truly impossible https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NgirnYPdQwo

>>725541174
At not point was he running and shooting in that vid.

>>725527872
>Im surprised by how much the remake is defended here of all places
Capcom actually hires shills to post on Youtube and here.Their marketing strategy was trying to gaslight everyone into believing that "RE4 wasn't actually that beloved and very much a piece of shit"

>>725536886
>Yes
>Yes
>Yes
OGRe4 is revolutionary, it's also simple and easy on the hardest mode. Re4R is harder, has more options and moves that are only useful in specific scenarios, and more gameplay mechanics. Re4R is flawed, but it's way better gameplay wise than the original.

>>725541117
>games involve pressing buttons
>anons spergs out about having to press buttons

>>725541328
I'm starting to believe that.

>>725541328
Is there ant opinion you faggots won't think is the result of shilling?

>>725539240
I wish pantyhose was real

>>725541316
oh, you're just pretending to be retarded

>>725527310 (OP)

In remake the enemies are way more aggressive and press you a lot faster to account for this. In the original they will walk up to you then stand there for a second or so before advancing so you can line up a shot.

>>725541504
Bitch, I've seen people say Croc was better than Ocarina of Time. Comments like that aren't coming from people with real thoughts and opinions.

>>725541419
There's no skill involved in qtes, it's literally "press X not to die"
You're being reductionist because you have no argument

>>725541608
>Man shoots gun
>Man runs to new spot
>Man stops running
>Man shoots gun
He never moves faster than a slow walk while firing. Just like I said, at no point was he running and shooting in that vid, you retard.

>>725541649
Yeah no one would say something stupid on here to get people angry unless they were being paid to

>>725539932
Unbelievable. If game dev was up to this guy we wouldn't have come up with the obvious solution of just making you more inaccurate instead of forcing you to stand still.

>>725527310 (OP)
The enemies are faster, more aggressive and have more attacks in the remake. Hardcore in the remake is harder than pro in the original. You're a shitposting turd worlder who hasn't played it.

>>725541649
Croc and OoC are both shit. Sounds like you're just a millennial tendie defending the N64 and GC games you grew up on.

>>725541732
That's still shilling moron.

>>725541740
Call of Duty sucks. Resident Evil gets worse when it tries to be Call of Duty. Go back to your shit games and leave the good ones alone.

>>725542038
No it fucking isn't you underage retard.

>>725541730
you're really gonna keep on pretending, huh?

>>725542139
>I-ITS LIKE CAWADOODY
Holy shit nigger.

>>725542139
This but I truly unironically believe this and am going to call you a nigger for liking any entry after RE3. Fuck off.

>>725538704
>The zoomer devs who made the remake had no understanding of this
I like when thirdies who don't play games pretend to be oldfags when it's obvious they know less than nothing about game mechanics or development. The director of 4make has literally been working on RE games since the first one came out in 1996.

>>725527310 (OP)
There was never any depth to reloading, you dumb needy child.

Original game is piss easy, you can switch weapons instantly from your inventory and shoot everyone in the leg then do a kick/suplex and knife till dead. Also, there are like 200 grenade pick ups.

These mods make it the best RE game since 6. The only thing that makes it still bad for me are the awful graphics. The game really is not pleasing to look at unlike the original.
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/4950
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/2725
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/2479
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/5215
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/2102
https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/rqqp/mods?gameId=5195
https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil42023/mods/496

>one guy plays poorly
>reloading has depth
kill yourself

>>725527310 (OP)
someone pretending the original RE4 was remotely tactical and difficult is fucking hilarious to me

>>725543902
Was assisted mode too hard for you?

>>725542026
>OoC
Turdie can't even get the abbreviation right.

>>725543902
>A fucking dodge roll and sprint
>increased movement speed
this is just a babby mode patch

>>725531047
All playable and actively being sold on PS5.

>>725547152
That was autocorrect. I'm on my phone because it's working hours in America. Every N64 game is still shit.

>>725542532
the director doesn't make the game.

>>725541649
Retard. Faggots like you make discussion here impossible.

>>725541391
>and more gameplay mechanics. Re4R is flawed, but it's way better gameplay wise than the original.
a simple, consistent, and responsive action game is better than one that tries to add more mechanics but ends up feeling inconsistent and sluggish. RE4 is primarily an action game and that comes with certain design priorities, which the original developers clearly understood better than the remake team twenty years later. once you’ve adjusted to the tank controls, the original feels incredibly precise and satisfying to play. it was never meant to be a realistic game, it was a classic action game with clearly defined gameplay rules. the remake tries to slap modern “immersive” sony-style design over an oldschool action game and it ends up feeling kind of amateurish in comparison. the overall fun factor’s been toned down not just in the gameplay but in almost every aspect.
weapon upgrades don’t feel as impactful, the sound lacks punch, the entire cast is more boring. but that’s another topic.

>>725541584
Granted
*turns you into sentient pantyhose*

>>725527310 (OP)
REmake 4 is piss easy but so is the original.

>>725527310 (OP)
You already made this post, still as pathetic as the first time.

>>725527349
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hhwSCa-RKl0

>>725547235
I imagine the aggressive AI mod fixes that, but RE:4's movement IS incredibly sluggish and shitty.

>>725549031
No, having simpler mechanics where everything is easily stunned it not better. The parry/crouch system is better. I've played both versions for about 180 hours each, and the remake's is simply better. You're bad at games and ignorant regarding mechanics. You likely haven't even played 4make.