Thread 725543793

Now that Nintendo has cleared that up, you can stop crying and whining about Game Key Cards.

https://youtu.be/5ldQYMwzWrY

>>725543793 (OP)
We fucking know what they are and that is why they fucking suck.

>>725543793 (OP)
Pokopia will be a key card?

Thank you Nintendo. Thank you so much. This is win. This is epic. This is everything I ever wanted. I hope next you will release your movies on game key card for switch 2. Thank you for always pushing the boundaries.

>>725543793 (OP)
I can but I won't.

cuckcards

>>725544065
Confirmed.

>>725543793 (OP)
game-key cards dont exist STFU falseflagging snoy

>>725543793 (OP)
Who was confused by it? It doesn't make them any less anti consumer.

I really don't understand the tears, isn't this just the same the industry has been doing for over a decade, selling you a physical thing that triggers a download of the game instead having the game in the disc or whatever? I don't like it, honestly, I strictly go for actual physical media if I can so I don't like this shit but I don't understand why it's a problem now when some games have been doing this for a looooooong time now

>>725543793 (OP)
Oh I know why they're trash Nintendo you don't need to warn me further.

>>725544065
There goes the "Nintendo will always use regular game cards" thing. Can't wait for the new Mario and Zelda games to be on Game Key Cards!

>>725543793 (OP)
They really wanna die on that hill despite holding to the games that you buy being the only reason to own a console right now.

>>725543793 (OP)
lol not buying

>>725544390
It’s only bad when Nintendo does it, because we’ve collectively decided to shit on them for every little thing. No, I don’t know the name of the banker who told me this.

>>725544390
nintendo always made physical games fit onto some kind of hardware up to switch 1 beyond two decades where everyone else abandoned it (rightfully so)
nintendo overplayed their hand on their games because they've yet to make anything with breadth on franchises they've been reboot fucking. I regret every dollar on nintendo I spent cause I will never get it back. at least I can give my steam account away.

>>725544432
In theory it gives them way more money because of the reduced manufacturing costs. Of course they're quadrupling down.

>>725544390
you are right but it's easier to just start shitting yourself than accepting that this is the evolution of CDs triggering a download.
but even before these gamecards there were CD-boxes that already contained a key for a download

>>725544325
>sellable, reusable
>anti consumer
Sony isn't sending their best.

>>725544390
I went fully digital because of simultaneous gameshare, not because I don't want physical. I don't buy digital for systems that allow this system, it's the main reason I avoid Steam. This system both lets me not share and also is just a license.

>>725544390
Many games have all the data on CD still so you can install it while offline and play it offline. Some don't, some require you to download the whole game like the key cards do but it's a major downgrade on the ecosystem where people cared about physical the most.

>Microshit and snoygger have been selling empty boxes for over a decade
>Nintendo starts doing it but calls it “key cards”
>aryan chads of /v/ absolutely lose their shit
Hmmm

>>725544708
>offloading the cost of storage onto the customer
Yes they are bad for us. So is the shit snoy and xbox are doing too of course you idiot.

>>725544516
>>725544708
>>725544837

>>725544837
>not existent xbox fans and snoys have lower standards than Nintwndo fans
Color me surprised.

>>725544798
family sharing exists on steam, though.
doesn't mean that steam is necessarily a good platform

>>725543793 (OP)
>Now that Nintendo has cleared that up
i can confidently avoid key cards for all time to come.
Genuinely the worst of both worlds.

If a real physical release exists, I buy physical.
If only a key-card exists, then I buy digital, because fuck key-cards.

>>725544837
They get shit for it, too, stop brown nosing Ninty.

>>725544423
It won't matter. I really can't wait for when Nintendo does Game Key Cards for 1st party and the games still sell out as if nothing changed. People buy the Nintendo console for the Nintendo games. Why play the 3rd party game on worse hardware when you can play the 3rd party game that looks, runs and plays better on damn near everything else the game is available on?

>>725543793 (OP)
People being hung up on this are low-IQ morons.

Can't wait for physical media to die altogether. Fuck that worthless pastiche tacky shite.


>b-b-but you'll own nothing!!

You don't own jack shit with physical media either. What do you think you're going do play? Play that shitty old game in 30 years time? How will you download all the patches and bug fixes?

Fucking retards.

I have 30 years worth of old, Nintendo and Sega systems and games that I can't even fucking connect to a modern TV.

Worthless fucking garbage.

>>725545026
It does, but it doesn't let you share simultaneously. Half the shit I play is multiplayer and in that case you still need to buy the game twice.

>b-b-but Nintendo themselves won’t use key cards for first party games
Watching tendies do a 180 on this is gonna provide more entertainment than the $70 fetus game did.

>>725545134
Nigger

Why don't Game Key Cards contain slots for micro SD cards so you, the consumer, can download the data onto it yourself? Turning the card itself into a form of expandable storage would give the key card some value beyond the game key it originally came with, while also making it more convenient to share/sell the game key card by allowing the game data to be present without needing an additional download.

>>725544390
>things were already bad, why are you complaining just because it's even worse now?

>>725545227
what is this schizonigger babbling about?

>>725543793 (OP)
>"stop complaining about paying 80 dollars for an empty game case"
No, i don't think i will.

>>725543793 (OP)
Wait, so if there is no data on the card, and I need to download the whole thing (right down to checking to make sure I have enough space for it), why do I still need to put the Game Key Card in to play the game even without an Internet connection? Wouldn't the whole game already be downloaded on the Switch 2, meaning I should need to have the key card to play it? Or am I not understanding?

I'd support game key cards way more if they were essentially sd cards that could be reflashed with game updates.

>>725545239
Because it's a trojan horse for a digital-only future.

>>725544390
Pc-only fats pretended discs have no data for years and it's not fucking true

Only a small percentage of shit is like that. Your copy of niggercreed and elden slop will play offline. Period. It has to INSTALL and there is probably a PATCH available. But the whole game doesn't need to download unless the devs were turbo cunts.

Nintendo switch 2 games are in a different economic situation, I can recognize that. A 20 dollar SD card is not something you can just order millions of and hope every single copy of your game sells and you make no profit. But there needs to be a solution.

Nintendo needs to make regular non-extreme SD cards work for switch 2. Make it so that it needs to install before playing if you have to, but game key cards are aids and shouldn't be standard.

>>725544423
That's a Koei Tecmo game retard

>>725545413
And the tendie cope begins!

>>725545316
Because possession of the card can be shared.

>>725543793 (OP)
Even the whole "Digital copy you can lend to your friends" thing falls apart when GameShare exists
So again, what the fuck is the point of GKCs

I think from this point going forward ALL Nintendo fans should just openly admit their wearing either a flat chastity cage / fufu clip or that their fat pig of a wife has a black bull

Nintendo could literally put 'Pay Per Play' into every game were you have to pay a fee to play a game you own each and everytime and tendies would still fucking defend it

>>725545450
>NOOO DONT POINT THAT OUT MY NARRATIVE
the ndstranny cope never ends

>>725545503
You’re thinking of family sharing, gameshare is basically just ds download play

>>725545542
imagine typing this out and pretending you’re a mentally well white heterosexual

>>725545282
Nice try but no. This is something that 9 out 10 companies have been doing for over a decade and now the last one does it sometimes too, it doesn't make any sense to complain at the last one, you either shit on the industry in general or shut up and consoom like a loser, but shitting only on the last company that joined this trend makes zero sense.

>>725543793 (OP)
You know it's bad when they have to upload another video about it

>>725545134
>Play that shitty old game in 30 years time?
I still do this with my older games. Even games that have upgrades like Dark Souls 2 can still be more fun on earlier builds before weapons like Santier's Spear were nerfed.

>>725545561
Nintencope

>>725544065
Prolly not, but since GKC are hated, they used one of their own game so people wouldnt attack a third party.

>>725544390
>Selling you a physical thing that triggers a download of the game instead having the game in the disc or whatever?
The game is on the disc, it just installs it to whatever console you're playing it on. The issue stems from having to waste digital data when it's on the disc in the first place. Key Cards are worse since they hold no data, and trigger a download that can't be done offline.

>>725545148
oh I understand. that does suck

>>725545316
It's just digital with extra steps that you need to take to play the game. It's worthless, it's just a way to keep games on store shelves for Grandmas to buy their kids but if you're not retarded then you should be buying those games digitally because it's the exact same thing without needing to fiddle for a cartridge to play it.

>>725545387
>it's not the same because on pc you need to use internet to install and then you can play offline
That's how the infamous "new" cards work

>>725543793 (OP)
Loved my Switch and my physical games. The Switch 2 (Switch 1 Pro) and its game-key cards can fuck right off.

>>725544390
It's bad because Nintendo was the holdout. Now that they've taken this next anti consumer step, there's nowhere else to go. THAT'S the problem
But "gamers" are so conditioned and complacent, they'll roll over and settle because they just gotta have the next new thing

>>725545676
Stop pretending every disc I buy in a game store is a download key. It is absolutely not.

Also, if one company started to dominate the industry and became the most successful with the largest fan base because it didn't indulge in bad business practices like the rest of the industry and then it suddenly started to indulge in them then yes their user base is 100% valid for complaining you moronic fucking simp

>>725545817
There's plenty more reasons to hate on switch 2 if you've gamed a minimum of 25 years, but well said

>>725544390
That's just whataboutism.

>>725545708
When was the last time you played something on pc, bro?

>>725546046
Yesterday. Your point?

>>725545316
Game Key Cards make no sense on their own. For all intents and purposes, it's a regular digital download, but with a physical version of their new Virtual Game Card system. They've set up downloadable software like games and add-on content to require specific verification to play, much like a physical Game Card. They call it the Virtual Game Card, and a single game license can only be "loaded" onto one system at time, no matter how many systems you've downloaded that data onto. This is to prevent multiple people from playing the same game at the same time without purchasing that game for each individual person, something you could previously do before this system was introduced. Game Key Cards are just a physical version of this system, using a physical Game Key Card to act as the Virtual Game Card verification, which would otherwise require an internet connection to be moved around. So while it still requires the initial download, the actual physical card can be moved around offline after the fact.

>>725546021
>puts words in my mouth
Nice try once again I guess
>if every store raises the prices but this one and after years the last one also raises the prices it makes sense to get angry exclusively at the last one
No it doesn't you insane fuck like I said you either complain over the industry in general or don't complain at all, picking up the last guys to do the bad practice is the dumbest thing you could do.

>>725545685
So glad I can play those shitlty Day One 1.0 version with fucked framerates and game breaking bugs.

Physical media is so amazing.

I love having the whole game on the dis-

>>725545814
Steam has drm, multiple layers usually.

Console games have their console lock. Game key cards, and their disc console equivalent like doom the dark ages, now require a server connection to download a game.

People aren't complaining because they aren't going to be able to access their games tomorrow. They're complaining because a decade Nintendo is free to shut it down at any time. People buy physical Nintendo games that were made before they were born just to play them. This is a digital download with extra steps.

>>725543793 (OP)
sneed

>>725543793 (OP)
>first party titles now goy cards
it's fucking over. the tranny named eric won. nintendeen won. tendies got raped and suicided

>>725546250
Games like that are still the exception, there's an entire site dedicated to cataloguing them.
https://www.doesitplay.org/list

>>725546138
And are you gonna pretend you didn't download that game?

Nintendo fans claim superiority over other formats but then resort to whataboutism when its called out they've been getting worse, i don't understand.

>>725545819
>It's bad because Nintendo was the holdout. Now that they've taken this next anti consumer step, there's nowhere else to go. THAT'S the problem
Same reason they got so much flack for paid online despite it being 1/3 cheaper compared to everyone else. Problem is they’re doing it in the first place

>>725546228
steam is the only good PC marketplace right now and if they decided to be just as bad as the competition it would be stupid to not criticize them. Literally the only scenario where your argument makes any sense is one where it's extremely important to defend Nintendo.

Also
>you put words in my mouth!
Bitch you pretended me and that guy you were arguing with are the same person.

You also completely ignored the fact that no, it is not the "normal default" in the industry for game discs to be mere download keys. You're a slobbering retard.

>>725546524
post examples

>>725544065
grim

>>725543793 (OP)
I don't need a guide on the NS2 game cards. I know what they are. They're Steam, where you download games to your Switch 2, but you need to plug the game card in your console to actually play the game. It's a digital download with a mandatory dongle, much like PCs tried to do back in the 90s.

>>725546524
I demand a cross reference of every post on the internet ever made regarding Nintendo or else you are officially a snoy troon.

>>725545780
>>725546206
It makes absolutely no sense for this to exist. Both Xbox and Steam figured out sharing on digital, so these key cards are literally just so people can have something to take up space on their shelf. Or like you said, so parents and grandparents can have something to wrap up for the kids for Christmas. It doesn't make any sense to have to still need the key card after the whole game is already downloaded on the system.

>>725546021
Nobody said every other game from other companies are always downloads, retard, meanwhile you guys are acting as if every Nintendo game will be a download now. Some games are downloads and that applies to all games now, you only cry because it's Nintendo doing it now, ignoring how they are literally the last ones doing it and therefore should be the best of them all since this is so evil apparently

>>725544516
It's pretty much just this.
While it's bad that Nintendo is also doing it, people just like to pretend that NOBODY else was doing it before and that Nintendo came up with xyz idea all by themselves, even though the others were already doing it for fucking YEARS. Paid online, raising game prices, digital game installs, etc.

The real shit thing is that these fuckers will excuse other companies for doing or planning anti-consumer shit, like that one leaked thing from Sony a year or two ago where they wanted to split games into multiple purchases that would increase the total base cost of a game to like $120.

>>725546649
You can resell key cards so it's definitely still better compared to digital. The code isn't tied to your system.

>>725545316
Gamecards exist because Nintendo didnt want the backlash of being digital only.

>>725543793 (OP)
is there a name for that soul-draining corporate jingle repeating endlessly in the background

>>725546597
Lmaoooooo
Fucking tendies man

>>725546348
80% of Switch 2's launch year lineup for physical games have 0 data on them, PC doesn't do that.
Switch 2 within a year of it being out is confirming first party games can and will release with Game-Key Card as it's format, PC doesn't do that.
Retarded argument aside, I'd expect the console I just bought to have the technology needed, and widely supported for it's partners to give actual physical releases of games. Sony and Microsoft introduced this, but Nintendo, like they always do, see the competition and decide to join them on even worse conditions.

>>725543793 (OP)
>the worst of both worlds
>the only upside matters when you don't want the game anymore

>>725546768
Do you need an eshop account to download the game or just an internet connection?

Pokemonfags are the battered house wives of gaming fanbases

>>725546746
Every single switch 2 game except for donkey Kong, Mario kart, and cyberpunk is a game key card.

Nintendo gave it a defined format and is actively trying to normalize it as a feature that you should get used to

once again I need to point out that your argument that people should stop complaining about this literally only makes sense from a PR damage control perspective

>>725543793 (OP)
this video makes me want to buy goycarts even less. what the fuck is nintenjew thinking? they are proving these are objectively inferior to traditional nonIoT carts

>>725545819
Sony has taught me that it's best to be the second in a three horse race to do something that consumers may not like. They'll hate the first one for starting it, hate the last one for giving in and forget the second one did it as well.

>>725546348
tbf physical was the one thing console gaming had over pc gaming. if you're forced to download all your games anyway then why not game on pc for free online and cloud saves? emulators will release eventually anyway.

>>725544390
>the industry has been doing for over a decade
'The industry' has not been doing this for a decade because the industry is only nintendo. Sony and microsoft are willingly selling your private personal data to people who intend to use that data to cause you fiscal and economic harm, and this is not a problem in the video game industry because the speakers attached to your sleeping ps5 and xbox series device are not video games. It is not worth complaining about this. I would only complain if nintendo did it.

>>725543793 (OP)
They're scared. Keep trashing these stupid things

>>725547447
>>725543793 (OP)
I don't know if they're scared but it is interesting that they apparently felt the need to make another video explaining them and trying to sell the concept to the customers.

>>725547125
>"every single game except this, and this, oh and this..."
>still lying anyway
Pathetic. And nobody said nobody should complain about anything, you just can't read, fucking retard
Everyone does it, so if we complain let's complain over everyone, not just over the last one joining the practice, dumb cuck

>>725543793 (OP)
These things would be so much less of an issue if they used cheaper/slower storage and just required an install to the system storage like on virtually every other game system.

>>725547125
Kirby Air Ride and Majogami are also real cartridges. Also, nobody is forcing this on 3rd party or Indie devs. They all took a bite out of the poisoned apple and they are all paying the price.

>>725543793 (OP)
the audacity of nintendo lol

>>725547187
We already had no reason to get anything but a decent pc and a Switch console because Sony was already selling their exclusives, which were less and less every generation, and Xbox commited suddoku

>>725543793 (OP)
ok so how do they work?

>>725546757
People have been complaining about this shot for years. Everyday you have Timmy making a thread about how steam doesn't let you own your own games.

The biggest difference though is that Nintendo games have always been the most collectable and held onto their value the longest.

>>725546251
>they're complaining because a decade from now nintendo is free to shut it down at any time
You can still redownload games you purchased off the wii shop channel and that system is almost 20 years old.

>>725544837
Have you ever tried not being a worthless domesticated dog?

>>725547913
Like keys you have been using for years but it's Nintendo so you have to complain now and doompost while Nintendo sells another million Switches and Sony makes up another billion PS2 sales

>>725544390
>I really don't understand the tears, isn't this just the same the industry has been doing for over a decade, selling you a physical thing that triggers a download of the game instead having the game in the disc or whatever?
People fucking hated it when PC started doing it, they hated it when Xbox started doing it, and they hate it now.
It sucks, no one likes it.

>>725548160
Tendies are more loyal to their master than any dog I’ve ever seen.

>>725544390
Yeah /v/ are full of consoomers who buy hundreds of digital games on steam they will never play for collection purposes. But apparently Nintendo doing it is bad.

>>725546852
>Pokopia
>first party

>>725543793 (OP)
It's incredibly funny to me when actual straight up digital downloads are better than these fucking key cards. Holy fuck Nintendo you are reaching levels of retardation that shouldn't be possible.
>B-but you can trade th-
Shut the fuck up you have no friends to trade these fucking key cards with.

>>725548417
I hope miyamoto sees this unc

>>725548417
>>725544837
Only because it is. Stop projecting. It's bad when Steam does it and it's bad when Nintendo does it.

>>725545073
>the games still sell out as if nothing changed.
Literally every game keycard experiment so far has disagreed with you

>>725547630
>semantics debate
The MAJORITY of Nintendo Switch 2's offerings are Game-Key card, that's undeniable. Some of which are regular game cards on Switch 1.
Noting these games specifically. Thankfully they're marked as Key Cards on the box, so there's 0 confusion on what you're getting.
>DragonBall Sparking Zero, regular game on Switch 1, Game-Key card on Switch 2
>No Sleep For Kaname Date, regular game on Switch 1, Game-Key card on Switch 2
>Raidou Remastered: The Mystery of the Soulless Army, regular game on Switch 1, Game-Key card on Switch 2
>Sonic x Shadow Generations, regular game on Switch 1, Game-Key card on Switch 2
>Suikoden 1 & 2 HD Remaster, regular game on Switch 1, Game-Key card on Switch 2
https://nintendoeverything.com/list-of-all-nintendo-switch-2-games-with-a-game-key-card-release/
>>725548257
It doesn't matter if you're a consolewartard or not, shitty practices being accepted deserve the critiques they get.
>>725548482
It's published by Nintendo in America. They choose how what physical format to release it in.

>>725544390
It only makes sense to lament that the things that remained are now lost. Why should I be alright with this? I wasn't fine with the CDs becoming download codes either.

>>725548563
It's not bad when steam does it you tourist. We have steam sales threads every fucking month that get more engagement than this shit post thread.

>>725548689
>Nintendo chooses the format, not the developer

yeah that's definitely how it works retard

>>725548723
>It's not bad when steam does it you tourist.
It is actually, in fact, bad when steam does it. Steam Sales are not a acceptable trade-off to not having any physical and Steam being allowed to take your games at will.

>>725547787
What "audacity"? Everyone buys their shit up anyway so this means nothing. Nintendo Switch 2 is one of, if not THE, fastest selling gaming hardware of all time. They consistently break records despite the loud minority, of which you clearly are a part of, constantly thinking they are even 1% of Nintendo's money makers at this point. "Drop The Price" was the biggest crock of horseshit ever and it bombed so fantastically Nintendo has every right to not give a shit what you have to say since, clearly, you don't matter. If they put the new Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokemon or whatever 1st party game on a Game Key Card, you'd still buy the game. You may just buy it directly online (or you'll "hold your nose"), but you're going to buy it up and make it sell millions of copies. Nintendo fans have been all bark and no bite for years and these past for months have one magnified that sentiment with everyone, including to Nintendo themselves.

>>725544390
I don't give a fuck what the rest of the industry does, I don't buy their key on a disc scam just like I won't buy Nintendo's key carts. If the industry is gonna push this garbage down my throat to save a dollar, I'll just pirate everything.

>>725546557
Exactly. nso is not only unnecessary if you don't game online, it's ultimately a rip-off, no matter how they spin the pricing
Virtual Console worked just fine, and didn't require internet besides the initial purchase and download
Data recovery should be complimentary and automatic
And it's so slimey how almost every game doesn't "require" nso, but will have at least a couple features or unlockables indirectly tied to nso which exclusively targets completionists

>>725544837
>being so new you weren't here for the announcement of a digital only playstation

>>725548661
To be fair, literally every game key card has been a 3rd party game that is preferable and plays better on everything else available.

>>725548791
>noo stop buying great deals on steam buy my full priced games instead
Tourist.

>>725547164
I suppose, but it isn't any less wrong

>buy pokeshit bdsp physical version
>own the video game because i said so
>servers die
>soundtrack is now MIDIshit
WOOOOOOOOW WHY DIDN'T I JUST PIRATE IT AAAAAAA

>>725544837
Nintendo is always late to things and that’s why it’s so much worse. Because they’ve seen the problem and instead of diverting from it, they still do it.

>>725548794
>What "audacity"? Everyone buys their shit up anyway so this means nothing.
No one cares if they buy your $500 brick if no one is buying the games, sales autist. Mario Kart and Donkey Kong aren't carrying your industry. It's the third parties that are getting raped right now.

The N64 has some of the best first-party games of any Nintendo console and it still lost to the Playstation because it has like 60 games total and half of those are shovelware. The Switch 2 is en route to the same fate and these shitty fucking cards are to blame.

>>725546841
>>725546662
I accept your concession.

>>725548967
No seriously why didn't you just pirate it

>>725543793 (OP)
>you see, it allows us to exert remote control over your console and ability to run the software
>it prevents you from reselling the software
>AND as an extra bonus, lowers production costs for us without us passing the savings on to you!

>>725547769
>Also, nobody is forcing this on 3rd party or Indie devs
Some of it’s on nintendo too for even allowing it as an option. They could very well tell them
>hey, put it on the real cartridge. I don’t care if it’s expensive, it's either this or no release at all

>>725548741
Pokemon ZA is published by Nintendo, they released Switch 1 and Switch 1/Switch 2 compatible physical copies.
Koei Tecmo also developed the new Hyrule Warriors, which was published by Nintendo and released as a normal Switch 2 card.
Pokopia is developed by Koei Tecmo, published by Nintendo, and is releasing as a Game-Key card.

>>725549016
The test comes when Nintendo puts the new Mario on the key card. It's going to sell out. Then people will realize it's because people don't buy 3rd party games as much on Nintendo devices since do buy the Nintendo device for Nintendo games primarily.

>>725549182
It's reverse engineered to enable paypigs and print free money for shareholders, using the carrot as the stick to beat over consoomers heads

>>725549314
so you're saying game freak had no say in the development of this pokemon game retard?

>>725549372
Koei Tecmo developed Hyrule Warriors and Pokopia
One is a physical card, the other isn't
Pokemon just had a release that was a physical card

>>725549182
>>725549241
>>725549309
KEK

>>725549487
>retard's just repeating himself now

concession accepted

>>725543793 (OP)
is jewtendo trying to kill the switch2? they're removing the only reason left for people to buy consoles over digital mobile and pc gaming anymore

>>725549578
Make an actual argument first.

>>725549639
lemons exist

>>725543793 (OP)
Who the FUCK cares
If you aren’t full digital at this point, you’re a fucking Luddite retard
>b-but da gobment and da corpos dont contwol me!!! im my own man!!!! heh dose sheep wid deir digital goods dat dey dont own…”
Fucking Jesus people like you make me absolutely livid
You know NOTHING about ownership and you are such a fucking loser clinging to this idea of independence by owning plastic representations of content
>b-but if the internet or servers die…!
Oh no, a game that already required a connection to play can no longer be played because that connection is gone! Sure am glad my physical copy somehow defends against this and erects a personal server just for me?
Fucking retard
FUCKING retard god almighty this mentality fucking ERADICATES my sanity because everyone who has it has this INCREDIBLE sense of arrogance
And for what? Why the fuck are you so cocky about misunderstanding ownership?
Holy Christ I seriously cannot express my hatred enough

>>725544390
when PS Vita did the game key shit they sold the games at a discount. Nintendo is charging full price.

>>725543939
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hhwSCa-RKl0

>>725544935
Sony and Microsoft have required games to be installed to the hard drive or SSD since the 360/PS3 days. Nobody bitched about it then.

>>725543793 (OP)
>Had to play baby music to calm the rabid manchildren while explaining how it works

>They still get rabidly stupid anyways.

Predictable

>>725549639
Yet there haven't been any reports of joycon's drifting yet.

>>725545316
>Or am I not understanding?
Yeah, you're not understanding that the license is in the key card, not on your console. You can play that game on other console, lend it to a friend, even resell it.

It's like when you buy a physical game and has a mandatory update you have to download to play, only that the update is the whole game.

Not that hard to grasp

This is better than digital, worse than fully physical

Trash key card

>>725547769
The problem is the data storage range for switch 2 carts are apparently really awful. Where a dev will either need to have their game be under 2 GB, or they have to shell out a high premium for a 64 GB cartridge

>>725543793 (OP)
Reminder if you shit on this you should be shitting on Digital store fronts like Steam and Epic Games too. Don't be a hypocrite.

>>725544390
90+% of playstation games are still fully on the disc and work offline. incomplete physical games are more common on xbox and switch and even they still get a large amount of fully functional physical games.

>>725546036
Get fucked. "What aboutism" is a retarded term that disregards holding entities accountable to the same standards when a precedent has been set.
In any case of this, both parties should be held to a single standard and an greement upon whether it's acceptable or unacceptable.

>>725548553
Hmm so a product you can buy and sell 2nd hand is worse than a digital download where you can do neither because?

>>725550525
Playstation has games?

I'm guessing a portable console made by design to carried around having a physical format that still demands more space from your internal memory and a stable wifi is a lil wacky.

>>725551057
most people play multiplats on consoles, not just exclusives. i know it upsets a lot of people to be reminded of this.

Still supporting each Nintendo decision business blindly.

>>725551246
Same. I also do that little dance irl when I btfo a Snoy with my posts.

>>725551227
Playstation has games?

>>725543793 (OP)
>>725543939
>>725544065
>>725544115
>>725544423
Imagine that new Fire Emblem is a Game Key Card

Still kinda confused after watching the video, apart from you needing to have the key to download the game. If they "function" like regular game cards, why not just put them on game cards? Is it just so digital only people can have a NS2 case of the game?

Why is Pokopia 10GB, $70 and a GCK?

>>725543793 (OP)
>"Maybe you didn't hear us the first time :)"

>>725551482
>If they "function" like regular game cards, why not just put them on game cards?
The newer switch 2 cards are a lot more expensive due to the increased size, along with them reading data slower compared to digital. Key cards are a cheaper alternative to make up for it

>>725551632
Oh, so its for other developers to be able to afford to get their game on the system if they missed the digital window.

>>725545413
Published by either Nintendo or the Pokemon Company depending on the country. Publisher decides how the game gets published and they decided to kike you.

>>725543793 (OP)
>nintendo hitting you with that preschool music jingle
Even Nintendo knows bingtendies are not human and must be treated as such

>>725550410
So? They haven't hesitated to pass the bill for any of their other retarded business practises on to the consumer, so why they didn't they do that when they have a real reason to do that?

>>725549768
Chill out, Furukawa

>>725552021
Thats not how that works, retard.

>>725551823
>if they missed the digital window.
What the fuck are you blabbering on about?

>>725551432
This format will never cease to amuse me
Also saved, and I'm sure that even uf the next fe was on a gkc, most would just roll over and buy it without so much as a grumble

>>725552148
>preschool music jingle
Tendies have the verbal intelligence of a preschooler. Give them a break.

There should be a general term for any physical "game" that requires attaining the respective game data from an external source to even be playable. A game-key card is just the newest and cheapest form (zero game data instead of a fraction).

Game-stub?

>first party game
>gkc

>>725549768
you are genuinely mentally ill and shouldn't post. consider CBT.

>>725543793 (OP)
Good thing I don't give a shit about Pokopia. Hopefully this leads to shit sales.

>>725543793 (OP)
I will NEVER buy digital from nintendo
N E V E R

>>725543793 (OP)
They know nobody wants this which is why they didn't even put out a press release but snuck it into a video they're passing off as general information. Since it's a Pokémon spinoff I'll default to blaming the tera jews at The Pokémon Company until we see an actual first party game published as a game key card.

>>725552393
How does it work according to your retarded nigger brain then?

>>725552707
Don't you see it says SAMPLE

>>725552407
Time, for the slow one

>>725549768
>, you’re a fucking Luddite
stopped reading there, take the poo to the loo, poojeet

>>725549182
>>725549241
>>725549309
lmao

>>725544708
Until they kill the servers ten years from now.

>>725552757
No, what you will do is spend over 5000 dollars just to barely emulate old Nintendo games.

>>725552454
>my sourceless study says you have a low IQ so pffft
When I hear PS5 gamer IQ I think of lowtiergod

>>725552840
Every new game these days is digital, you retard. Game key cards in of themselves are digital versions with physical DRM, so I'll ask again. What the fuck are you schizo babbling on about?

>>725544837
Did you forget the shit the Xbone got when they said every game would have always online DRM?

>>725552792
You can stop coping now.

>>725545134
I have a PS2 that still plays 25 year old games, I have a 23 year old PC that can play all my 25 year old PC games unpatched, my 360 still plays all its games, so does my 45 year old Atari 2600.

>>725546757
I don't excuse other companies for the shit Nintendo is doing now, I hate them too.

>>725546250
Anon, that's what we're complaining about. That's just the disc version of a game key card.

>>725553193
Damn.

>tendies eating shit
>again
why do they do it bros

>>725553193
ai generated

>>725544390
What's the other option, sit down and take it? I'll gladly accept late rejection of the concept over none at all.

>>725553489
Check yourself.

>>725553409
the video has more dislikes than likes on both the US and JP uploads and thousands of negative comments. most tendies in fact aren't eating the shit.

i hope the next mario and zelda are game key cards

>>725553595
you just know this tendie will make endless threads about his favorite corporation's sludge selling millions of units

>>725552021
yes, The pokemon company and Koei decided on a GKC, nintendo is only publishing it in the west, all the decisions were made by TPC or Koei.

>>725553583
he's either one of the retards who driveby posts "it's AI" in response to random posts, or a retard who's going to bait you by saying the machine translation is wrong and you can't prove it's right because you don't know japanese.
either way you're getting baited.

>>725545676
Why doesn't it make sense? Why should they not be outraged now? You recognize that this is a problem, yet you are actively opposed to solving it because it took other people a longer time to realize it was a problem.

You're either a corporate shill or a spiteful retard.

>>725545676
>it's fine when nintendo does it!

>>725553636
This but with a $90 price tag. Fuck tendies, they deserve to get dicked down.

>>725544390
Nintendo was the last holdout for physical libraries. Now that they are gone, there's no place else to go.

>>725553706
>or Koei.
They're not self publishing it so how that's done is none of their business.

>>725544390
>Snoy and Microshaft went retarded ages ago so its fine for Nintendo to join them finally
What the fuck are you even arguing here?

>>725545239
lol could you imagine, faggots would be saying "what the fuck nintendo wants you to pay $270 for the new pokemon!?" ($70 for the game and $200 for the 1TB micro SD express card.

>>725553915
>nintendu nuffin
Lmao
Tendies man

>>725544390
Almost every game I've bought has had all the data on CD and just has a couple patches. The games are perfectly playable on their own.

>>725554020
Read the post again, you retard because I said the exact opposite.

>>725546934
just an internet connection, the GKC doesn't even interact with the eshop.

>>725543793 (OP)
>pokemon on a game key
cross "true physical games" off the list of stuff the fanatics can still brag about.

you will own nothing and be happy

>>725553595
the tendies on /v/ are a special breed of cocksuckers that go out of their way to defend anything nintendo related. it honestly feels like they're paid shills. most tendies are reasonable and rational, just not on /v/. if they're not paid shills then they probably got ran out of every other community they were in.

>>725549182
>>it prevents you from reselling the software
why are you lying faggot?

so it works like a digital game without the convenience of being able to play it without changing physical game carts?

>>725554254
but it wasnt REAL first party

>>725554342
yeah it's completely worthless.

>>725549314
>published by Nintendo
only in the west. the actual release is published by The Pokemon Company.
>>725549487
Switch 1/2 hybrid games don't support game key cards as an option.

GKCs are at least a step up from all those Switch 1 games that were just download codes in a box.

>>725548553
>>725550870
In order to sell something there needs to be a buyer, but what I want to know is who the fuck will want to buy your shitty, cum crusted Game Key Card copy when the more convenient digital copies get way bigger discounts? Also the whole muh sharing cope doesn't apply either because these days you can share your digital Switch 1 and 2 games with those virtual game cards or whatever the fuck they're called. These retarded key cards serve ZERO purpose to the consumers besides forcing you to fill up and swap out multiple micro SD Express cards on top of your shit key cards, its a fucking mess.

>>725543793 (OP)
At least I can complete one of my cases with all game keycard crap when Resident Evil Generation collection releases. I still need to uprgade from the 512gb Sd to the 1tb too.

>>725554456
Yes, but a punch to the gut being better than getting shot doesn't mean that much.

>>725545134
>You don't own jack shit with physical media either
I do since I can buy or sell them no issues.
>Play that shitty old game in 30 years time?
Yes. I regularly buy 30 year old games.

>>725554456
Those are still a thing on Switch 2 btw

FYI game key cards can be traded

>>725554298
True. /v/ tendies are actually deranged

>>725554456
You are getting both anyways

>>725554773
>I do since I can buy or sell them no issues.
so you like Game Key Cards then?

>>725554714
One step forward and half a step back is still progress in a country that relies on fucking fax machines.

>>725554856
They are much better than digital only or codes in a box yes.
But once the online server goes they will be worthless I reckon so still unacceptable in the long term.

>>725554456
>here have your download coupon on a plastic card
Now that I have to swap plastic card to play the games I've downloaded,I want download coupons back,

>>725554890
>in a country that relies on fucking fax machines.
Anon, every major country still uses them.

>>725553595
You know you can't trust that chrome extension, right?

>>725554956
sure, if nintendo ever goes bankrupt and shuts down the servers that'll be an issue.

>>725555116
i'm going to ignore the point you're making because you're gay for calling it a "chrome extension"

>>725543793 (OP)
It's basically a download code but you can use it on multiple consoles right? A loss for physicalfags but a win for pretty much everyone else.

>>725555172
>goes bankrupt
They shut down the Wii and DSi servers. Even if you bought the games, you can never download them again and the Wii isn't even 20 years old.

>>725555239
>but a win for pretty much everyone else.
in what way?

>>725554456
>physical drm for a digital game is better than a code for a digital game
no, not really

QRD on this controversy? How is it any different from buying games on steam?

>>725555315
It allows Nintendo to stay in business so you can buy and play the next Pokemon game

>>725543793 (OP)
Call me a drone but I think it's great that these exist as long as other options ALSO exist. If I have the option of a gamecard with the entire game on it, I'm going to buy that over a gamecart 100% of the time. But if it's a game I was considering downloading digitally, why wouldn't I go for a keycard? I'd be able to resell a digital game, or give it to someone, or do whatever since it's technically tied to the card. If a game I want is on keycard only I'm just simply not going to buy it. The instant first party games go only keycard is when I sell my switch. But as long as there's availability for both I don't see the problem.

>>725555378
steam is garbage for this exact reason in many cases too
though it depends on the publisher/creator in steam's case, there are games with 0 drm on there too

>>725555378
steam doesn't require a physical denuvo with a one machine activation limit, in fact you can install games on as many machines as you want and share libraries with family members, it's a much more permissive and convenient platform

>>725555378
It's just annoying to buy a "physical" game that also needs a download, especially because you could buy it digitally to begin with. That's really it.

>>725555378
The price for storage is way worse on Switch 2 and you need to put in the cartridge whenever you want to play it. 256gb costs $60, 1tb costs $220.

>>725555283
>They shut down the Wii and DSi servers
they haven't, you can still redownload everything you bought on those, they only shut down the purchase servers, which Game Key Cards don't interact with.

>>725543793 (OP)
>the xylophone + acoustic guitar "tech product" music for adult babies
Hearing this garbage always instantly pisses me off, I thought they stopped doing this years ago

>>725555507
There are no options, games that are on a keycard are keycard-only.

>>725555378
It's tricking retards into buying digital by having a literal physical key you have to use to play the digital game. You still can't play these games without internet, AND you have to stick a card in the card slot.

>>725555507
you don't get a choice, buddy

>>725555541
Anon... Steam family only applies to 6 accounts. It's better than Nintendo, but not that different.

securom was exactly the same trash, but at least that usually allowed for 5 activations instead of 1 lol

>>725544390
people thought nintendo were better
they feel betrayed then

>>725555769
It's unlimited as long as you activate off the same internet connection as the main account. However Valve might change this in the future as they have been slowly cracking down on it over the years.

>>725555769
>It's better than Nintendo
is it? nintendo lets you family share across 8 accounts.

>>725544065
Yup, idiotic but it's an Animal Crossing rip off so most people will buy it digitally anyway.

>>725555608
Wii U and 3DS servers still allow downloads of previously purchased games, but not new purchases.
Wii and DSi are completely dead as far as I know. I tried on my Wii last year and it couldn't connect at all.

>>725543793 (OP)
Can I sue for the fact that when I hear the sickening corporate jingle type of music I get severe mental anguish.

>>725554016
That is literally no different than the situation as it is today if your built-in 256gb internal is full.
Legends ZA is 8gb yet the smallest SD is express is 128gb, a $60 expense. An ~16gb NAND separately would be pennies.

>>725545134
>patches
PS4 and PS5 let you copy games (with updates) to an external drive. In the case of PS4 games you can even run them from one.
I did this with P.T. for example, so I can always have it available.

>>725555769
Steam family used to be great, then they locked it down and you can no longer share with people outside your country. Fucking bullshit.

>>725548791
>Steam being allowed to take your games at will.
When did they do this?

>>725555205
My apologies. "Browser" extension as to include Firefox.
>I use Brave, through
It's a chromium fork. Firefox is the only one left really doing its own thing.

>>725555769
6 accounts, unlimited machines per account. Nintendo's denuvo requires online activations and deactivations with a one machine activation limit.

>>725544115
cuckrds

>>725553874
>we should complain about everyone not just the last guys doing it = it's okay when these last guys do it
I'm sorry you are illiterate

>>725544390
Physical fags like you got raped in the ass by the kikes at LRG, numerous other 'indie' publishing corps, retardedly high priced 'exclusive editions' so it was about time someone stopped all that mess.
You should be thanking Nintendo for doing it tbqhwyfam

>>725556004
The Wii (and DS/DSi) only supports old Wi-Fi standards. It won't work with most modern routers. You have to downgrade your router in order to connect or use Ethernet, but it still works.

>>725548791
Meanwhile the companies that actually did in fact take your games at will have been Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Blizzard and others. Not Valve. Do you see the problem there?

>>725555378
Its not and that's the problem. Most of the reason people play on consoles instead of PC is because they get physical games with the full game on them.

>>725556289
This. Valve doesn't even ban Steam accounts for fraud. They just prevent new purchases. Getting your Steam account actually banned is pretty much impossible. Getting your PS, Xbox, Nintendo, EA, or Ubisoft account permanently and entirely banned is as easy as saying "gg ez" in chat.

>>725556004
>Wii and DSi are completely dead as far as I know
My Wii still connects. I can go in and still redownload the games I bought to this day.

>>725555378
If I'm buying a physical version then I expect a fucking physical version that won't eat up all my storage space on the system itself and my Micros SD Express cardS (plural). But instead they give us this worst of both worlds abomination.

>>725546819
muzak

>>725543793 (OP)
I've been using physical media with keys for decades.

I just want to hurt the person speaking.

>>725544708
>buy Pokemon Sapphire edition 20 years ago
>can still play it today
>worth $100+ today, probably even more in another 20 years

>buy Pokemon Niggerfaggot edition today
>can't play it 20 years from now because the servers will be dead
>worth nothing

>>725545649
Imagine being an unironic nintendo shill

>>725555507
>as long as other options ALSO exist.
Well they don't, its either digital or worse digital larping as physical.

>>725544390
Nintendo is objectively better than the rest of the industry so people expect better from them. There, I said it, nobody, not even snoys or xbonecucks (if they still exist) are surprised when their companies do that, but absolutely everyone knows Nintendo is better than them so it's sad they do it as well.
It's like seeing a hobo steal bread for his family and then seeing a lawyer do the same, the standard isn't the same because one is excelent and successful and the other is surrounded by trash.

>>725556632
the cruel reality poketroons fear to face

>>725544390
I dunno about everyone else, but the big thing for me is how huge game memories are now that require you to buy backup drives, and when you fill those with games, you're fucked. It's what killed my PS4 purchasing habits, the bigger the games got, and I started buying 3rd party games on my Switch just so I can play them slightly shittier, but without having to download a 40-50 GB game to my console. Now I need to download a 40-50 GB game to my console that I know is going to play shittier, game companies are trying to blow past that 40-50 GB limit, and it just means I'm going to buy games less until I get one of those massive 2TB microSD cards.

Why do consolefags try to pretend they don't connect to the internet? You all want to bitch and moan about digital copies, these game-key card things. Why do you pretend like your console isn't PERMANENTLY connected to your wi-fi and that you don't put in a game and download that big faggot day one patch on EVERY game you play?

If you had bought your console and actually never connected it to the internet even once you'd actually see what a piece of shit it is. You wouldn't be able to play 90% of new games purely because you didn't upgrade your firmware. The games you could play would be broken and busted pieces of shit because the industry churns them out KNOWING you're going to just download the latest patch anyway.

Your real issue is that you have to deal with console online services. Friend codes. Paying for online. Varying tiers of online services. Everything consolefags complain about is not a problem on PC. This is a FACT.

>>725556469
They are the same price though.

Either way not like this really matters since physical will be dead in amotuer decade.

>>725556632
>can't play it 20 years from now because the servers will be dead
this won't happen. cute fanfic though, can i subscribe for more chapters?

>>725554318
Try reselling it in a decade when the servers are taken down

>>725556797
The bitching about having to connect to the internet felt like it was overblown a decade ago. Nowadays it's just pathetic and is people finding shit to complain about.

>>725556926
Nintendo is not Valve however.

>>725556797
>>725556945
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MEAN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A PART OF CONSOLES SINCE THE 360 ERA IS...LEL BAD!
Yeah. You're retarded if you're bitching now

>>725556797
This. I still remember on the Switch the first time I put a game in that told me I had to update to a newer system version to start it. Even with physical games fully on cart, it's impossible to actually use them on an offline console.
Don't even try to defend this with "but you can do a peer to peer download with another Switch!

>>725556639
no homosexual fantasies this time?

>>725556797
Didn't know storage space is unlimited and free, thanks for letting me know, retard-kun.

I know they hate physical cause they get way less profit margins per sale compared to digital but I really enjoy having a physical collection of games so it sucks to see nintendo going all in on this key card slop considering it's the worst of both worlds

>>725557046
Might not be free, but it's so cheap it might as well be.

>>725556926
>in a decade when the servers are taken down
you're delusional bro. they aren't gonna shut off Switch 2 servers when Wii Servers are still running.

>>725557152
Nintendo already started charging $90 for physical versions of $80 games as soon as the Switch 2 launched. They're not losing their shirts on the physical versions in any way.

>>725557046
blame Nintendo for choosing a gimmicky ass tier storage solution and not letting you put an NVMe or an M2 drive in their tablet like a normal human being.

>>725556797
The only time I've connected my Switch to the internet was during the Coronavirus lock down, if you buy a cartridge that requires a firmware upgrade I get it from the cartridge.
I only have 3 digital games and 40 cartridges and it's at 19.0.1.

>>725557023
Most of those games have the system update on the cart too you know. even if you were offline you'd still be able to update and play the game.

>>725557023
Whenever it shows that notice it still gives you the option to play the game without updating.

>>725557195
Switch 2 only supports micro SD EXPRESS cards, which are not cheap.

Why is /v/intendogaf defending this?

This reads like insane for /v/ to try to defend.

>>725557272
I know that it isn't a huge loss for them for physical but they're so fucking greedy that they do actually care about the small profit differences between physical and digital that they're willing to cheap out and skrew over customers on it

>>725557514
There’s a reason tendies are called cultists anon.

>>725557286
>SD Express
>gimmicky
it's standardized.
Only reason it's expensive is because of how new it is.
I agree that it would be nice to be able to upgrade the internal storage though but it clearly asn't factored into the console's design.

>>725557195
1tb on the switch 2 is $220 atm

>>725557576
>modern nintendies.png

>>725543793 (OP)
I still don't get it

>>725557514
>UMMM ACTUALLY GKCS ARE GOOD AND YOU'RE JUST HATING

>>725552520
stubware

>>725556797
The Switch (and sw2) are PORTABLE consoles. And unlike the Vita they don't have a sim card option. So it's a system that's EXPECTED to not be online all the fucking time.
You sound like that Adam Orth retard back during the Xbox One shitty reveal.

>>725557272
There weren't any $90 games.

>>725557635
i call it apple fag syndrome. happens with any person simping for a corporation by shifting the blame on users rather than the company each time and having a sense of superiority of consooming said company's products. like >>725557690

>>725557640
>>725557674
They should've just used NVMe like every other mobile device and console. Faster, more reliable, and cheap.

>>725557742
Mario Kart World is $90 physical, $80 digital, $50 in the Switch 2 bundle (digital).

>>725557741
If you have a phone you have a hit spot. If you're traveling places have wifi. If you're a van lifer you probably have Starlink.

>>725557286
Part of the problem is that the Switch 2 has dick all for internal storage. 256gb is a pathetic amount. The PS4 and Xbox One had 500gb and 1tb models at launch. New games are often 50gb-100gb, so third party ports are going to eat up way too much space.

>>725544390
When i bought TF2 for PC in 2008 the DVD installed steam and i had to download TF2 from there .

>>725543939
Honestly for me it is a way to sell digital games. But I am already all digital

>>725555378
Steam at least promised that they would remove all DRM if they ever go out of business, even though we all know that's a lie, so you can make the argument you own the games on their platform (you don't)

>>725557907
>If you're traveling places have wifi.
Does the Switch 2 support captive portals? I remember trying to connect to hotel Wi-Fi on a Switch 1 and I had to spoof the MAC address on my laptop because Nintendo is terrified of a web browser allowing the console to be hacked.

>>725557228
You're funny, anon. Wii servers shut down over a decade ago.

>>725557910
AHL GIV YA SISSHUNNIT DAHLLA TO BUY A MICRO SD NIGGA

>>725558058
Wii servers are up and running. You just can't make purchases anymore. Everything you bought is still available to download.

>>725557690
>tendies literally have religious text now that calls out their infidels
Lmfaoooo
Holy shit man

>>725557817
I'm not sure why they didn't tbqh

>>725557904
It has never been $90 USD physical. The $90 meme came from it being 90 euros after tax.

>>725558149
SHIGERUAKBUR

>>725557920
Valve started this digital hellscape bullshit.
If you're going to do downloads, at least do them right like GOG where you get a fully DRM free copy you can store wherever you like.

>>725558164
They have an insane fear of you opening up their consoles maybe because homebrewers live rent free on their head, so they rely on external storage.
Problem is like >>725557910 said 256gb (of which 30gb are system reserved so technically you have like 230gb of usable space) is a joke and as >>725557640 said it's expensive it does feel like a complete ripoff.

>>725544390
Because while there are pros to the game key card, it also creates a major con; Namely that it gives a cop-out for developers who don't want to bother with an actual game card. Now when you go for a physical copy of a game you might not even be able to get a proper one but instead a "Game Key Card" which just like any digital game will end up unusable if the digital storefront goes down. It's all of the plastic with none of the benefit.

>>725558262
There is no Toy Company but Nintendo and Mario is Their Mascot.

>>725543793 (OP)
>IIT: poorfag cope

>>725558120
Every Wii, DS, DSi, Wii U, and 3DS game server is dead.
You can not play any online games on these platforms anymore, even if you can on other platforms.
You can redownload old purchases, but that's just one server. That's not full functionality.

>>725558335
SD Express is very expensive right now but it will come down in price significantly within about a year.

>>725558351
>pic
based
>text
based

>>725558445
Just in time for tendies to defend future first party Nintendo titles being on the game cards!

>>725544390
/v/ really REALLY didn't like this TRVKE.....
I wonder why......?

Having said that, $70? Fuck that, Imma wait for Furqueens Crossing instead if this is gonna be this expensive.

>>725556642
>>725555685
>>725555741
Yeah no I explained that terribly. my bad. The only way I'd ever get a keycard is for a game that I was going to buy digitally to begin with. Every so often I have fun with sportslop like 2k or Madden, and I'd never fucking buy it full price. I'd rather buy a used keycard then for like $5 a year or two later instead of waiting for a sale. But yeah I admit that it's a very niche positive use case.

I'm not dumb, keycards are designed for companies to make more money, not for consumer convenience. The only convenience is an ability to sell or trade gamekeys, which in itself isn't too major. Nintendo doesn't have enough sway over Macronix to force them to create 16 or 32 gig cards, but they REALLY SHOULD start making them. it would fix literally EVERY problem right now. Keycards were the stopgap solution for not having 8, 16 or 32 gig carts available, and they're betting on general consumers not knowing/caring about the difference.

>>725558392
Those storefronts were terribly designed and couldn't be scaled up for a system that was going to embrace digital sales. The 3DS and Wii U stores were horribly insecure.

>>725546757
I saw some people shocked that Steam games were revocable licenses just yesterday.

>>725544837
>Microshit and snoygger have been selling empty boxes for over a decade
Not even remotely true for Sony. The vast majority of PS4 physicals are fully playable off the disc, completely offline, with some exceptions like most CoD games and obviously always-online titles like The Crew

With PS5 it's more dicey due certain models having DRM on the disk drive, but still most games aren't just an empty box

Seriously, why are tendies so defensive

>>725556658
this but completely unironically.

>>725558798
I was very wary of Steam from the beginning. I actually made a GOG account before I ever made a Steam account (and that was only because I got a game for free with a GPU).
GOG is the only good digital platform, it's the only platform where they cannot take your games away from you, but you still can't resell them because any game on GOG has a value of $0.

>>725558662
Im so glad Nintendo has friends like you out there to defend them. Otherwise how could they have sold Wii U ports for $60.

>>725558392
>You can redownload old purchases, but that's just one server. That's not full functionality
concession accepted. that's the only server GKCs need.

The time to start throwing a fit over this stuff was over 10 years ago. Patching a game is basically part of the development cycle now. It's been a long time since a game disc has contained release day code.

On a long enough time period everyone hacks their console anyway. You are basically a low iq retard if you don't have a PS2 with a hard drive in it and every game if you use one, but most people don't use one at all. And those games did come complete.

PS3 hacking is crazy. The servers for the Xbox 360 and PS3 are still up even. How many of you are actively using those?

It sucks that this is the way things are but ultimately I cannot be concerned about theoretically not being able to play a game I bought 20+ years from now.

>>725550410
It's not necessarily Big N's fault, so much as the spirit of Moore's Law is more alive than the letter. There was never a point for smaller SDXC Express cards to be produced until now and 64GB is just the smallest size available. Supply not meeting demand.

People do make a decent argument that they COULD use Switch 1 carts, especially for obviously smaller titles like Pokopia, but I think this is like a Sony and their Blu-Ray situation: No incentive to use their older format when they have full control over their new one. Doubly so, when every 3pp is pushing on "you either make these wastes of plastic or we will make more coupons".

>>725544065
That will be $70 please

>>725545239
Because the scam would be far more obvious, specially when key cards are the same price as regular cartridges with built-in storage used to be.

>>725558284
Still just a license. You don't own games you buy on GOG.

>>725559181
>I cannot be concerned about theoretically not being able to play a game I bought 20+ years from now.
I can. Time really flies.

>>725559087
You are projecting your parasocial behavior.

>>725559087
That post was pointing out facts.

>>725556159
>>725555769
Please stop with the Disinfo

>>725559307
Even if you did something that caused GOG to 'ban' you (do chargebacks, whatever) your installers downloaded to your hard drive will work without issue.
You can even share them. So you do own these copies of the game's installers. What you don't 'own' is the IP or the code/art assets, of course.

>>725552228
>so why they didn't they do that when they have a real reason to do that?
nta but when everything is multiplat that doesn't really work unless the physical switch 2 version is $20 more expensive than others which would crater sales and mean they wasted money on those more expensive cartridges. it's likely switch 2 owners will buy digital instead anyway like how people bought the $50 digital mkw in the bundle instead of the $80 physical copy.

iirc some japanese games did that for switch 1/switch 2 versions where the switch 2 version is 2000 yen more expensive than the switch 1 version. not sure how that worked out for them.

>>725559307
No matter how you buy a game, it's always just a license. Same with movies. You don't have the right to do whatever you want with it, you can't even view it outside of your own private home according to the license.
The important thing is the game cannot be taken away from you. On Steam it technically could. On Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo, digital purchases get revoked all the time for "bad behaviour".
An offline installer can never be taken away from you. GOG even puts it on the checkout page.

>>725559621
Exactly. These installers are fully offline and you can copy them to any storage medium of your choice.

Same goes for a BD copy of say, a James Bond film. Netflix can pull it because the license expired, but your personal disc is always there, ready to be played (or even ripped, if you have a BD drive on your PC)

>>725544390
games are on the disc 9 times out of 10 so no this is not the same. Game key cards have no game data on them so you always have to download the full game.

>>725559294
This gets me more than GKC deal.
I don't know why Pokemon spin-offs, especially one that is actively competing against Animal Crossing, are trying to be $70?? That money better be making Pikachu be a real thing.

>>725559621
>GOG even puts it on the checkout page.
Just because they say it doesn't mean its true.

>>725543793 (OP)
>soulless ukulele whistle clap stock music in a Nintendo info video
this is how you know it's fucking over. remember the parental control video?

>>725559835
Retard if it's an OFFLINE installer, how are they ever going to remotely disable it?
Think for 2 fucking seconds.

>>725559797
Funny enough, BD licenses can actually be revoked and trying to play a BD with a revoked license will brick your player if it's connected to the Internet

>>725559835
Now you're just playing the retard. Here's your (you).
Download a GOG installer and place it in some folder. There we go, it's fully offline and usable whenever. NOW, it could be 'taken away' if Microsoft decides to push another stupid update that nukes user data because AIdevs, but that's not on GOG.
I get that kids today are utter retards who can't handle the concept of filesystems, directories and paths (thanks, Apple) but you're on a whole different level entirely.

>>725559835
Come and take it.

>>725560057
Oh yeah... I should've said DVD instead.
Remember to run your BD players offline, everyone.

>>725560171
Nice collection, anon. Feels good to actually have control over your files, huh?

>>725543793 (OP)
At this point, you might as well just download your games, which is what I do. There's no longer a reason to own physical media anymore anyways. This is just a half step for Japan until they fully embrace it like we did.

>>725544390
>I really don't understand the tears, isn't this just the same the industry has been doing for over a decade, selling you a physical thing that triggers a download of the game instead having the game in the disc or whatever?
Tendies spreading fake information like they are some innocent beings lol

>>725560335
I like selling games. Can't do that with digital.

>>725551246
This, I supported Valve when they did it. Physical games are too cumbersome, they clog up my stands, I rather just have all my games installed right there on my systems, I gives complete and utter convenience that physical games just can't give me. Plus, game loading is faster too.

>>725560291
I've bought many a game twice because I had it on Steam, but then it showed up on GOG years later. DRM free on PC is always the preferred way to go.

>>725555378
It's just retards having a bitchfit, they did not scream when Valve did it, they did not scream when Microsoft did it, they did not scream when Sony did it, but they decided to scream when Nintendo does it. Everything is going digital, they're simply too old. This is why they want home consoles and desktops to live and handhelds to fail because hur dur "remember the good old days".

>>725544390
>I dont understand the tears that one of the good things Nintendo was doing they are no longer doing

>>725560626
I've found that I play and finish physical games much less often than digital ones. Having to swap game cards out is one more barrier that affects my choice of what to fire up when I'm picking what to play. Digital is simply better for how I play.

>>725558392
>You can redownload old purchases,
That's what the other anon was trying to say.

>>725560942
Nintendo still have a physical solution but they will stop using it because GKCs are cheaper. That is the motivating factor here. Not because digital is more convenient but because they can pocket more of the money and still be in Walmart.

>>725560430
Not my problem

>>725561168
An even cheaper solution would just be giving you a coupon code over a GKC. Producing a 1GB cartridge is an inconvenience for them, especially knowing it still can be resold, which they get $0 out of.

>>725561340
They have those too. Both are greedy but at least that one doesn't pretend to be physical.

>>725561340
You can't resell codes in a box. Consumers mostly reject codes in a box and hanger codes. GKCs are unironically better than either of those.

>>725545134
>What do you think you're going do play? Play that shitty old game in 30 years time?
Yes. As I do with my old SNES and NES games right now.
>How will you download all the patches and bug fixes?
Ohhh nooo what will I do without my paaaaatches.
Fucking idiot.

>>725559835
Go retard and tell us, how GOG can remove the installer from my HD

>>725543793 (OP)
why dont sell the code as usual?

>>725543793 (OP)
shan't be buying them

>>725561485
>Ohhh nooo what will I do without my paaaaatches.
99% of games today cannot be completed without a day 1 patch thanks to game breaking bugs. If you cannot download that patch, you're shit out of luck.
Not that you care because you're likely the jackass who says that 99.9% of games on PCSX2 are fully playable because you got it to boot to the title screen.

>>725561438
That's the point, they have no reason to make fake physical carts, especially given plenty of 3pp been doing it back in the Switch 1 era (seriously, the FUCK was up with L.A. Noire on Switch??).

>>725561452
Obviously consumers don't want GKC either, even if it is a compromise for their benefit. Was more saying that if you want to do the Greedy Nintendo narrative and the slow decimation of physical ownership storyline, probably should bring up that GKC aren't good for them either compared to just making coupon codes.

This shit is weird overall, I just don't like the strange grift people are trying to sell others.

>>725561452
That's the only thing these have going for them though, resale "value". There's also the early argument that GKC's will reduce piracy, since there's no data on the cart, but either way it fucks over the customer that doesn't want to dump games, or wants to resell them in the future. I personally don't want to waste time, space, or data on digital games pretending to be physical. Especially when I already have so many of both already.

>for start the game you also need to insert the game key card
this is worse than digital copy...

>>725561676
Because you can resell a key card. Please understand, most gamers do not have jobs and need to resell their games in order to make money.

>>725561726
He's just going to post that gay ass doesitplay website.

They *can* "be completed" but it certainly isnt a pleasant or the intended experience. You'll be restarting a lot of checkpoints in Resistance 3 because your shootyniggas don't play their scripted door opening scene.

>>725561726
Nintendo still hosts their patch and redownload CDNs on their legacy systems, they just don't have a storefront allowing more purchases.

>>725544837
consider that one of the reasons people were buying Nintendo games was that other companies were doing shit like this

>>725543793 (OP)
Are they retarded?
Literally the reason why their games on Switch sold so much was that collectors would buy a physical copy of a digital game they already owned on another system.
They are squandering all the good will collectors had towards the Switch brand and for what? Why are they pushing these fake physical games so much? Are they financed by the WEF or something?

No fucking way there's drones actually defending this. Jesus Christ, how much lower can you even go at this point?

With all this shit why don't they just let ups boot stuff from external ssds when docked? Their brand new TECHNOLOGY sd cards are still slower than first gen m.2 storage and more expensive.

>>725562140
Because it'd crash your game if you undock it

>>725545073
>Why play the 3rd party game on worse hardware when you can play the 3rd party game that looks, runs and plays better on damn near everything else the game is available on?
HURR DURR
It's exactly because the Switch had so many physical releases for indie games that they were a safe haven for collectors. Doesn't matter how the game runs as long as it is an actual physical release. A game that doesn't run well is better than no game at all.

>Resale!
How about letting us resell the keys themselves if you want to be really fucking innovative? Valve tried twice and every major publisher had such a shit fit they threatened to pull their entire collection from Steam if Valve went through with it so they had to walk it back. Somehow I doubt Nintendo of all people are going to decide that players should be able to resale their games. Game key cards are the worst of both worlds, an expensive trinket that doesn't even come with storage to justify it.

>>725562398
>I doubt Nintendo of all people are going to decide that players should be able to resale their games
Indeed. Hell, even RENTING games is a fucking cardinal sin for these jap bastards. They were really mad that in the US they couldn't do shit against Blockbuster back with the NES and SNES. It took Sony kicking them into the curb with the PS1 for them to actually partner up with BB for N64 rental kits.

>>725561992
The reason their games sold so much is because the good ones weren't available on other systems outside of the Wii U ports which were effectively exclusive due to no one owning a Wii U.

>>725562203
Sometimes I forget how stupid most people are.

>>725544390
Pic related requires a 100GB download, but nobody said shit.

>>725561726
>99% of games today cannot be completed without a day 1 patch thanks to game breaking bugs.
That's not true at all lol
Why do people who clearly don't own physical games keep lying about this

>>725562608
No. Collectors explicitely state they want a physical copy on Switch even if they already have the game on Steam etc.
Don't mix they two things.

>>725562884
WRONG!

>>725562884
I don't play or buy EA slop, so irrelevant.

>>725562675
Sure anon go ahead and tell me how they'll pause data streaming of Switch 1 games (let's remember that the Switch 2 needs to be fully backwards compatible with those), without causing the game to crash when that data is no longer accessible. They'd have to manually patch a significant number of titles to make that work, and it'd still inconvenience the consumer.

Really what they should've done is include an internal m.2 connector so the user could upgrade the storage themselves.

>>725562962
You still need a download for the application data.
>>725563039
>I don't like thing so it doesn't count
White faggot.

>>725563226
>You still need a download for the application data.
Nope! If you put it into a PS4/PS5 with no Internet connection, it will just work like 95% of PS4/PS5 games.

>>725544390
It's the worst of both worlds: You have to keep track of the physical card AND it takes up space on your system.

>>725563201
I'm commenting on the stupidity of the person you were responding to. Like the answer to his question would be obvious is he thought about it for more than two seconds.

>>725563226
That's called installation retard. It takes all the data off the disc and puts in on the SSD because the disc drive is too slow.

>>725543793 (OP)
>*Cutesy innocent wholesome Kikestarter indie music plays in the background*
>Game Key Cards don't contain ANY game data! :]

>>725563226
Yeah it doesn't count if I don't like it because I don't have to deal with it. Given I will never buy a Switch 2, this >>725543793 (OP) is also irrelevant to me but it's fun to read people going mad.

>>725563426
Oh fair enough, I thought you were accusing me.
But yeah, they should have included an internal expansion slot.

>>725563482
Yep, you're a white guy alright.

>>725562742
That Like/Dislike ratio doesn't lie, dumb Kirby poster.

>>725563543
Weird insult, anon, but ok.

>>725563621
Your kind finds enjoyment in chaos and likes being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian because you lack an identity.

>>725561890
why do you willingly let digital cuck you from ownership? They could let you resell your digital stuff but they don't want to.

>>725544073
Yeah just like UMD

>>725562962
The physical PS5 version still requires an internet download to get that version.

>>725544390
It's worse downloads. Download is one and done. You cannot play it at all if the game card is not in the system no matter what.

>>725547125
HW age of Imprisonment, Pokemon ZA and the newest Rune Factory game are also on the cartridge. Also, the Switch 2 versions of BotW, TotK and Kirby and the Forgotten Land.

AS LONG AS THE NEXT 3D MARIO IS NOT ON A GAME-KEY CARD, EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.

>>725544390
It has been shown repeatedly that these game cards sell less than their switch 1 physical counterparts, the audience for Nintendo games and collecting are die hard physical and it makes sense since Nintendo is the oldest, so many people have just gotten used to it always being there

>>725562884
nobody said shit because nobody played it

>>725563812
And yet it can play the PS4 version offline just fine. You don't need better graphics. If you do, you can afford Internet access.

>>725562884
LMAO, you picked one that doesn’t even need a download, you fucking idiot.

People defending game key cards are people who’ve been robbed of the idea of actually owning things. They defend all-digital because they don’t want to admit they’ve been getting fucked for decades. Most people here are PC gamers with pride and a massive fear that one day Steam is going to go down the shitter along with their entire library. And let’s be honest: if Microsoft wanted to buy Steam, they could’ve done it a long time ago so that's has always been a big possibility. They’re just a soulless Walmart at this point.

>>725544390
It's like if PC games required you to fully download the game AND keep the game CD in your computer to use the already downloaded game.

>>725563972
But Nintendo knows they will win in the end, because Nintendo fans can never rebel. They can never go without Nintendo. They are addicted. Those who were able to break their addiction already have. I started with the NES and I stopped with the Wii, because their games just no longer appealed to me. But you can bet those who began with the NES and are still buying a Switch 2 are lifers, and cannot break the conditioning.

>>725564080
I still remember back in 2001 when I first installed Myst III and it had the option to run off the disc or install the full game. Of course I picked install the full game (because I had a new PC with a fancy 12GB hard drive) and it never required the disc again.
Some games did require the disc though even if they fully installed as a DRM type of check.

>>725564238
annoying, isn't it?

>>725564321
Yeah, but at least they still loaded faster if fully installed. Switch 2 key cards don't even get that benefit since the MicroSD express is slower than the NAND on the cartridges.

>>725564225
>because Nintendo fans can never rebel
Because none of this shit is as big of a deal as people on the Internet make it out to be. It's not some nefarious thing or a cult or an addiction. It's the same as any other company "getting away with it". Customers just don't care as much as you do. If they did they'd have been pissed about digital over a decade ago but look at where the industry is now.

>>725564080
That's how it used to be...

>>725565127
You almost always had an alternative, though.

>>725543793 (OP)
I wonder how that grease monkey Vinny Vinepedo will spin this.
>This isn't a new thing and has been around for a while, but it's a shame Nintendo's doing it. I prefer to buy my games digital anyway. So since I'm a surrogate e-daddy to you online trannies, you'll do what I do and go digital!
Way to be part of the problem.

>>725565238
Not quite, they were installed off the CD and you had to keep the CD in. But they were not downloaded off the internet (legit copies anyway)

>>725565127
>It's not some nefarious thing or a cult or an addiction.
Having a tendie friend and how he excuses every little retarded business decision they do, I'd beg to differ.

>>725565127
that's what they said about paid online.

>>725565127
it absolutely is a tendie problem, only tendies act the way they do

>look at what's available for switch 2
>see multiplat that looks like it would be neate to have on switch
>see the dreaded white line
And that's how my switch 2 library will never surpass my vita library.

>>725565414
Most people prefer to buy digital games. Steam is the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

>>725566516
This. When given the option most people will choose convenience.

>>725565414
What a weird obsession you have

i really don't give a single fuck, i haven't purchased a physical game in 10 years

>>725564080
it used to be the case all the time, it's why we had `nocd` cracks, only when steam took off and disc drives became uncommon did this requirement go away

That's their problem not mine.
If any of them try to argue that nintendo are the champions of game perservations just say game card key and move on.

Idk if shills and contrarians are poisoning the well or people just have a goldfish memory, but I find it suspect how many people think as though everyone's only NOW pissed about $70 vidya or doing this digital disc shit when Nintendo starts doing it.
Does literally one remember the "I'm not paying $70 for a video game" threads/spam? Don't none of you faggots suddenly act like you're not addicted to coming back here everyday, you know you've seen at least ONE post/thread of it.

>>725553706
Nothing says if a game is a GKC in one territory then it can't be a regular game card in another. I feel like that's already happened once already but I don't remember what it was.

>>725566731
You sound insecure, tranny.

>>725543793 (OP)
Didn't Japan national library deem those as useless?

>>725566516
>>725566669
You're only proving his point further.

We really need to quit beating around the fucking bush here.
The only reason you're scared of a digital purchases on your console is because you know the big three can't be trusted. They fucking sold you Last of Us 3 generations in a row. Nintendo released one game for $80 and the industry immediately adapted to the idea of changing prices just for the fuck of it. You can't even trust you'll be able to play these games on the next console. How do you play PS3 games right now? Because I can tell you how you play PS3 era games on PC; the exact same way you did when it first came out on PC.

>>725566951
People were and still are upset over games being $70, but most of the normalfags that play fifa and battlefield gave in instantly, so it became the standard and overall less controvercial. I do feel like a lot of people use it as an excuse to shitpost specifically about Nintendo though simply because it gets easy (you)s.

>switch 2 is significantly more expensive
>so are the games
>also the games dont even hold the data on the cart anymore

What's the point of this thing?

>>725566878
Even that can be spun by arguing that they're just being protective of their property and the Gegaleak proved they preserve their assets, when the reality is they're just greedy.

>>725567450
>significantly more expensive
The Switch 2 costs the same as the digital only PS5 and is only $20 more than the 1TB Series S, a console no one wants.

>>725567450
It gives Nintendo money. To a tendie that’s what makes them the happiest.

>>725567378
Not to mention the "muh inflation/dev costs/tariffs" kikery which duped a lot of retards into thinking this is just the new norm now.
I really do wonder what the fucking breaking point will be because I can't see people reasonably justify spending damn near $100 on vidya in another few decades if it gets to be that much unless corpos try to spin it by making the games bigger and copy/paste the same recycled content x10 despite being just as barren like they are right now, like with Elden Ring.

>>725567332
You can never trust any corporation, let alone the Cerberus of NinSonybox

>>725566951
People were upset but they are okay with it now. Sony and Microsoft did $80 games what, 2 years ago? No one cares anymore. And no one will care about Nintendo's upcharge in a few months either.

>>725568485
So you have joined with the Dark Side?

>>725544390
>but I don't understand why it's a problem now when some games have been doing this for a looooooong time now
Because it's the further enshitification of vidya and Nintendo has finally succumbed to never letting you own anything. And according to tendies, that's a good thing!

>>725568485
>Sony and Microsoft did $80 games what, 2 years ago
Nope! Fun fact: only Nintendo is greedy enough to charge $80 for a base game. I’m sure you were just misinformed and aren’t trying to carry water for your friends over at Nintendo.

>>725568485
The only one besides Nintendo to try and do $80 games was Microsoft with Outer Worlds 2 and they got laughed at so hard they back peddled to $70.

>>725568551
I have joined the winning side of history.

Even a corporation who is pure and says its prayers by night will BeCoMe A WoLF when the profits soar and the consumer trust is high.

>>725568485
>People were upset but they are okay with it now.
I wouldn't say the majority are "ok" with it necessarily, just that this hobby is chalk-full of hypocritical, gullible, weak-willed retards who have zero standards now, them mainly being normalfags, children, ghetto niggers and spics.

>>725569160
So are you getting a cut for marketing here for Big Vidya?

>>725543793 (OP)
saved future everyone itt a click

>>725568804
Anon, both Ps5 and Switch 2 games are $70.

>>725569487
it was a misstep for them to leave comments and ratings open. I assume they will close them eventually.

>>725544390
Because Nintendo has a history of not honor digital purchases across generations. The only exceptions are when the consoles are effectively the same to a degree anyways (Wii and Wii U, Switch and Switch 2), unlike their competitors that will actually try to honor all your purchases as much as possible.. It's why XBLA and games you bought decades ago are playable on the XSX, but you have to rent ROMs you likely already paid for on Virtual Console
>so what does that even have to do with Game Key Cards
They're marketed specifically to assuage people's historic distaste for keys-in-boxes (namely being designed to trick unsuspecting parents that already accidentally buy "games" without a cart inside, hoping to make them think it's just an update by having something in there), along with being viable for secondary selling. This is intentionally deceitful, as the GKCs are only viable for as long as the Switches have online or for as long as Nintendo hardware supports that interface, and the market has been trying to use this deceit to push a higher number of GKCs for the Switch 2 than you see Codes-in-Box for the other two platforms. This, combined with the previous paragraph, means it'll be worse than usual when it comes to End of Life


tl;dr It's BS because Nintendo doesn't believe in honoring old licenses/backwards compatibility, and it's intentionally deceitful in a way that leads to fewer physical games being printed, so they're actively adding more gas to the erosion that's going on.

>a second game key video as soon as a first party game gets it
They 100% knew they would take a ton of shit, this is just poor damage control.

>>725569556
Where the fuck in my post do you even see the number 7?

>>725569851
Lmao remember that tendie cope how first party games would NEVER be on this shitty format.

>>725557489
quick rundown?

yeah i'll just wait until these get dumped from console for emulation

>>725565414
trans by the way

>>725544390
It's not like that for me and my 20 physical switch 1 games, they play out the box.

>>725570012
Only after they previously tried gaslighting and mudding the waters on what the damn things actually were and then downplay it like it's not that big of an issue in retrospect.
>Nintendo's stabbing people with swords!
>You don't know what kind of sword, retard. It could be a plastic fork.
>This just in: Nintendo has been stabbing some people with kitchen knives!
>See? It was just a messily knife. It's not THAT bad and only some people got stabbed.
>But people are still getting stabbed!
>Don't like it? Then buy a gun or don't go outside and get stabbed, retard.

>>725567332
I don't trust digital on any platform, first of which is steam