Thread 725545818

I know they censored the game the appease the Chinese mob that was pissed because you can kill Chinese historical characters in the game, but is it still worth playing despite that? I liked Lies of P a lot, will I also like this game?

>>725545818 (OP)
What was censored exactly?

>>725546031
You can't kill Chinese historical figures anymore and the Chinese peasants in the game don’t throw rocks at you anymore.

>>725546031
Does it even matter? Censorship is censorship.

>Change Estus from DS1 style to DS3 style
>In a game where enemies can't be properly spaced because they got projectiles and arena crossing moves out of the ass

>>725546337
DS1 Estus are just artificial difficulty.

>>725546031
Three bosses do not die when you beat them, they stop fighting and have some dialogue instead.
Before there were peasants in a few locations, some would run away from you while others would throw stones, all could be killed. Now all the peasants that would throw rocks are gone, and the peasants that run away can no longer be killed.
Chapter 4 of the game was a war between two factions, where you could fight both or leave them to fight and clean up the wounded survivors. Now one faction is allied with you, they cannot be killed by you and they will not attack you, the spawns for the other faction were slightly increased to compensate but overall that section of the game is slightly easier.
One boss after you defeat him had an NPC spawn afterwards on the ground. It was kind of ambiguous about what happened here exactly, though the lore of the game would have indicated that the NPC was dead. Now if you rest at the shrine and go back to where the NPC was there is a note they left behind saying they have run away.

>>725546275
No I'm just curious. It's always "muh censorship" but nobody can ever tell what it was.
>>725546263
Thanks.

>>725546992
Why did they do all that?

>>725546992
>It was kind of ambiguous about what happened here exactly, though the lore of the game would have indicated that the NPC was dead. Now if you rest at the shrine and go back to where the NPC was there is a note they left behind saying they have run away.
They did at least keep a little ambiguity by some item text questioning if it's him or just something that looks like him. That's almost an improvement IMO and fits with the game's theme.

>>725545818 (OP)
I played first version. I used to kill the villagers to gety life back for free with the vampire item. You can't do this anymore

>>725546263
That's it? From all the whining I figured they did something to the character model or the costumes

>>725547226
What're the game's themes?

>>725547324
IMO that's even worse than censoring a character's design, it shows the devs don’t value their game as an artistic form of expression and instead will just modify it based on player input. That's outright pathetic.

>>725545818 (OP)
yeah

>>725546275
no it matters
This is /v/ not /pol/

>>725547324
Changing the story so much is a far more egregious form of censorship than putting a black shirt on. The plot makes very little sense now that they made the evil emperor behind it all not evil and just a tragic figure.

>>725547324
Actual retarded troon.
>a-actual censorship? Phew, I thought they just removed boobs!

>>725546263
Where are those NPC suposed to be? I think that besides the NPC on the hubs (the rise of the cult shrine and the "refugee" camp next to the big castle) I didn´t find any NPC that didnt gave you a quest you could kill.

>>725548014
whats wrong with only caring about censorship of things that matter to me?
Seems like the logical thing to do if I care more about playing videogames than virtue signaling my commitment against censorship

>>725548153
>you could kill
Couldn´t kill I mean

>>725547173
Chinese nationalist online didn't like the fact that the dying Ming Dynasty was, in fact, the Villain of the game.
The CCP didn't care, which is why it was released

>>725548401
Btw, the actual devs also released a patch for those who wanted to play the original way

>>725545818 (OP)
>Is Wuchang worth playing despite being censored?
It's not worth playing even if it wasn't censored.

>>725547679
Chinese Buddhist concept of the cycle of birth and death and cause and effect, and the mistake of trying to reverse the flow of cause and effect (reviving the dead). It's actually kind of cool because New Game+ is arguably a canon event where you're repeating the cycle. It also touches on the idea that this life is an illusion that we are trapped in until we escape this cycle.

>>725548758
Source?

>>725548802
Explain.

>>725548758
Source?

>>725548841
>religious game
Oh, that explains it, the CCP and the political fanatics in China are very anti-religion.

>>725546514
It has a lot of fine mechanical implementation, in a game where you need to lock off so you can start sprinting away.
In Wuchang you space... and then the enemy will unload its crossbow or use the spear super lunge attack on you.

>>725546031
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hhwSCa-RKl0

>>725545818 (OP)
>everyone pissing themselves about censorship
>nobody mentioning the patch that made the game easy mode
If you didn't beat this gem on launch, you didn't beat the game and you will never be able to beat the game

>>725549605
I've been playing v1.0 without even knowing it, I assumed it was 1.4. I just pirated the game and thats the version it came as

Which one is better, wuchang or lies of p?

>>725549605
So what patch fixed the tracking on the charged R2? Because I assume that is still vanilla, and is one of the mechanics to make the game really easy.

>>725549687
if you like Dark Souls better than Sekiro you'll probably prefer Lies of P. If not, you'll probably prefer Wuchang

>>725549687
Wuchang
But I did not like lies of p, so my opinion is biased.
Still, Wuchang is more a trad Soul like.
Lies of p, is more a bloodborne like I guess

>>725549797
Lies of P has a bunch of required parrying.

Playing Wuchang now on 1.4.1 and the game is huge. The levels feel massive with multiple forks in the road. Doesn't help i'm a slow player who looks at everything, going to be here all year. I just beat the bo sorcerer and apparently it's only half way...

>>725549797
>>725549880
And Wuchang has Dark Souls' level design. Wuchang is closer to DS and Lies of P is closer to Sekiro.

>>725549760
The patch that came with the censorship that nerfed mines and made them do no damage

>>725549880
yeah but its pretty slow compared to Wuchang and its all about weight limits, mana bars and committing to your build etc. And parrying is significantly harder than Sekiro.
None of these soulslikes have Sekiro's actual clanging-swords deflect-fest gameplay, that is pretty unique to Sekiro

>>725549974
>Could have changed the shader so they don't pop in randomly
>Nerf damage instead
lmao

>>725549605
This is why I hate the "censorship" patch. Its the exact same patch that nerfed the game and made some enemies not attack to make the game easier.
Also I heard they changed how healing works, where it was more deliberate before now its braindead like modern fromsoft. So disappointing. It could have been the rare soulslike to carry the DS1 torch.

>>725547919
kwab

>>725548975
It's a mediocre dime a dozen soulslop.

>>725545818 (OP)
Yeah, it's a great game.
Severely underrated, hope it keeps selling and we get more from this developer.

>>725549090
To be fair this stuff is mostly only vaguely hinted. The censorship is more about racial and ethnic politics.
>nooooo don't kill my Han Chinese Ming heroes!

>>725549431
>and then the enemy will unload its crossbow or use the spear super lunge attack on you
I know exactly what enemy you're talking about. I hate them so much that I do more prep work for them than actual bosses.

This gun sword is so powerful, I use it like a dodge at the last second. Then the bullet explodes and sometimes stuns them, ending their 19 hit combo early when I need to heal

>>725551961
Did you know that Echo of Dhutanga is actually a 2-hit combo if you cast it again after the 1st hit?

>>725545818 (OP)
Patch 1.04, pre-censorship
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:72ce90266bb983cd659fa6bdcbbf332210c151e8
It's on the house ;)

>>725552741
Nah, piracy is for losers.

>>725552741
You make it sound like it isn't Dolphin porn.

>>725553324
You'd wish it was dolphin porn

I think the game is amazingly well animated.
Like Star Wars Jedi looks like it has shitty amateur animation compared to Wuchang.

This boss is like a mirror and uses all your own weapons spells against you

>>725554549
Wow, Mimic boss, so original…

>>725554549
Too bad this game didn't have PVP, it would've been kinda like that

>>725556082
Nobody said the game was particularly original

>>725556085
My theory is that all the inner demon spawns were originally supposed to be other players. That getting a high madness opened up the option to invade and/or get invaded. Or, since defeating Obsession gives you that armor, maybe clearing that ending would've allowed you to become the new inner demon and invade.

>>725556312
Field of flowers under the moon whoa, that's original as fuck, I definitely didn’t see that on Bloodborne.

>>725557306
You're talking about a field of flowers under the moon and you think about fucking bloodborne?
Where you born yesterday kid?

>>725557475
what game did it first, MGS3?

>725557639
>MGS3?

...

>>725548401
>whats wrong with only caring about censorship of things that matter to me?
>So what if a nigger robbed my neighbours house, I don't need to lock my front door because I don't care about my neighbour!

>>725556312
Exactly. It's not trying to reinvent the wheel, it's just polishing the hell out of it. Sometimes you don't need "never before seen" if the execution slaps hard enough. Not everything has to be avant-garde conceptual art, sometimes it's just fun beating the crap out of shit with good dodge roll physics and crispy sound design.

>>725545818 (OP)
It's one of the better non-From soulslikes. Solid 7-8/10. The censorship is stupid, but it doesn't ruin the game.

cool

>>725559249
What From games are better? Don’t say fucking Elden Ring.

>>725559532
That pic makes me wish for a wuchang cuhrazee action game spin off

Is this game related to black myth wukong?

>>725549943
Is it hard like Sekiro because 2nd half of Sekiro was brutal.

>>725558383
pretty much

I hope Where winds meet is Kino too.

>>725545818 (OP)
It's alright

It looks really really good, it's a shame you spend so much time in shitholes and mines

>>725545818 (OP)
Chinese can't stop winning. This is why Jews will never defeat them with self hate or shitskin replacement syndrome.

Do you have to play as a woman?

It's weird how Wuchang says like 3 lines at the beginning of the game then never speaks again

>>725561835
yeah but she's hot and is a silent protagonist pirate

>>725560696
git gud scrub

>>725562174
She's supposed to be your self-insert.

>>725560696
it's not as hard as Sekiro or Lies of P, but still pretty hard in places. Bosses are relentless and fly across the arena at you while launching tracking fireballs to start a ground pound + 8 hit combo. You have a lot of powerful moves and ways to fight back though, so some people say its really easy. You can summon a NPC ally for some fights.

>>725560220
no

i wanna do a spell run but i already 100% it

>>725563529
Which one is better?

>>725563876
Wuchang IMO, but Wukong is very good too

>>725547324
>>725546031
This entire controversy is stupid. It's political but the people arguing know nothing about the political context. Zhang Xianzhong and the rebels were traditionally viewed as evil motherfuckers and the Ming were viewed as tragic heroes who got double teamed by the rebels and the Manchus. The Chinese people don't like the Ming being portrayed badly here.

However, the current Chinese government (the CCP) has a history of revisionism regarding the rebels. In the early 1900s scholars debated whether Zhang was as bad as he was made out to be. Mao even viewed him as a slandered hero. Why would they try to make the Ming look like the good guys?

So this is effectively conservative censorship, returning to tradition so to speak. It's wrong to censor either way but none of the retards talking about this understand it.

>>725564437
Can you explain it better then? Who was in the wrong historically speaking?

>>725564239
Can't really agree with this. Wuchang is very good at what it does, but it just does less than Wukong. Wukong has way more mechanics, enemy variety, and content in general.

Unless you're playing for coomer reasons (valid desu) then Wukong is better.

>>725564872
It's not really about who was in the right, it's about how people view it. It just gets lumped into the larger current of the "evil communist chinks censor what they don't like" narrative.

But if that were the case they'd probably make Zhang and the rebels look more sympathetic. Zhang was basically proto-Mao. Defending the Ming is kinda weird and unexpected if you're looking at modern China from a typical western viewpoint.

>>725564942
Wukong is mostly bosses and only having one weapon is kinda repetitive. The combat was more enjoyable in Wuchang, and was the level design

>>725545818 (OP)
>>725546263
they only censored chink history shit no gweilo gives a shit about but the coomer stuff is left intact so all is good
you should be more pissed that with the censorship came the now usual nerfing because shitters complained it was too hard
just pirate the v1.0 if you can

>>725560696
its way easier and more forgiving than sekiro and lies of p
if we go by parry window frames, from biggest (easier) to smallest (harder) its wuchang sekiro liesofp
it only has a couple of "hard" bosses and they're optional
but some people get filtered by a early/mid boss because they dont use a parry build

>>725564239
someone AI this into a sexy dance

>>725563810
One handed spell sword run was kind of dreadful against human bosses. Spellcasting works so much better against large enemies.

>>725565383
>It is said that "if a single day went by and he did not kill someone, then he (Zhang Xianzhong) was really unhappy."[9] Kenneth Swope suggests that he may have been mentally unstable and a psychopath.
>Lurid stories of his killings and flayings were given in various accounts. According to Shu Bi (蜀碧), an 18th-century account of the massacre, after every slaughter, the heads or skulls were collected and placed in several big piles, while the hands were placed in other big piles, and the ears and noses in more piles, so that Zhang could keep count of the killings.[33] In one incident, he is said to have organized an imperial examination ostensibly to recruit scholars for his administration, only to have all the candidates, who numbered many thousands, killed.[34] In another, to give thanks for his recovery after an illness, he was said to have cut off the feet of many women. The severed feet were heaped in two piles with those of his favorite concubine, whose feet were unusually small, placed on top. These two piles of feet were then doused in oil and set alight to become what he called "heavenly candles".
What the fuck? That Zhang guy was definitely the wrong one here (if Wikipedia can be trusted). Interesting how this puts things into perspective, it would be like if a westerner tried to humanize Nero, they would be met with similar backlash.

>>725567547
After the Ming got rekt the Qing took out Zhang, and it's pretty clear nowadays that some of what Qing historians wrote about the guy were exaggerations to help justify their new dynasty. But at the same time Sichuan was heavily depopulated so he clearly did quite a bit of damage.

That's part of why this era is kinda confusing and awkward for modern China to deal with. Should you just sweep under the rug that Mao and the other CCP founders idolized this guy (I think Sun Yat-Sen did too)? Should you keep trying to rehabilitate Mr. 七殺? Should you do the traditional thing and defend the Ming instead? Seems like they chose the last one.

>>725546275
Because maybe it didn't actually happen

Is there a mod to revert the changes at all? I wanted to get the game originally, but I wanted to wait for a sale

I have this disc on my Penis5, should I just delete the most recent patch and play on v1.0?

>>725565552
You're just describing your preference for (true)souls-likes subgenre vs the wider third person action genre (wukong & stellar blade for modern examples)

shes so cute
I wish she had facial animations

>>725570621
How does she have time for makeup when she's constantly fighting monsters and stuff?

>>725571120
Ancient Chinese secret

>>725545818 (OP)
>Is Wuchang worth playing despite being censored?

Yep.

>>725546337
>calling healing potion estus

>>725545818 (OP)
can someone make a mod to kill those characters to piss off chinks?

>never achieves her full potential with bird demon powers
So disappointing

Did Wuchang die at the beginning and now she's a reincarnating bird monster

>>725571246
Wholesome.

>>725571290
I mean.... grass
No, I mean.... Focus. No.... Manna? Herb pipe? Supplements? Vitamins? Red potion? Medkit? Bacta? Adam?

>>725569628
Steam depot.

>>725572168
I call them potions in every game

>>725572168
I call them estus in every game

>>725572595
This. You've got red potions, blue potions, yellow potions, green potions.

Her real name is Ziyun Bai

>>725565552
Personally I found the combat more enjoyable in Wukong. Yes, it only has one weapon, but I feel kinda like Sekiro it allowed for the mechanics and bosses to be designed around just that one weapon that every player would be using and is better for it.
>>725563876
>>725564942
I think whether you prefer Wukong or Wuchang comes down to what you want out of Souls-like games. Wukong if you prefer boss fights, where it has the most unique fights out of any game in the genre with some of them being the best around IMO. Wuchang is better if you want the interconnected and challenging level design that From's games have, particularly the older ones.

>>725572325
Cool, hopefully I can grab it for when it goes on sale

>>725574768
Can I run Wukong on a 6600?

>>725545818 (OP)
Why did she never turn into a chicken if she had the plague thing? I didn't follow the story as I was a bit too distracted by...other things.

>>725575418
Birbchang's power level would simply be too great. I assume this is what happens though in the Bo Magus ending. She probably becomes like the Bo Sorceress eventually.

Wuchang and Eve walk into a bar

>>725547324
this is literally bigger than a constume being censored you brainlet

Chinese wives

>>725572507
Love how this bitch keeps smoking during the fight

>>725575418
She's pretty early on with the feathering disease, and though I imagine most players didn't do it, lore-wise I think she's meant to be using the ball thingies that He Youzai gives her that he got from the Boatman which are meant to slow the feathering. On top of that I think the game timeline-wise only lasts as long as it does in the skybox, that is, one day during chapter one, then a few days you are unconscious after fighting Honglan and then another day/night for all the other chapters.

>>725576821
and then they kiss

>>725548401
>whats wrong with only caring about censorship of things that matter to me?

>>725575292
IDK, I think there's a benchmark tool you can try but IDK how accurate it is. Looking up vids online it seems like a lot of people run it 60fps at 1080p low settings with an RX 6600

naw nigga, play it with a guide if you're playing it so you avoid playing it for 60 fucking hours and getting a non ending telling you to play it all over again.

>>725580665
Why would it take you 60 hours? It was like 40 for me and I took my time. It takes like 3 hours to do NG+ anyway if you want a different ending.

Censored shit

>>725576924
>Sword and Fairy 7
I literally never heard of this series and it's 7 games

>>725551961
In hindsight this boss was super easy, but man did it give me trouble.

>>725583552
Ahahaha fucking amazing, I gotta learn how to do this

>>725582810
the older games are only in chinese

>>725548975
>Explain.
Sure, here you go; It's fucking shit.

>>725545818 (OP)
> buy physical copy
> don't connect ps5 to internet
> it never downloads the censorship updates
> play it uncensored

Was it that hard to figure out?

>>725583827
Just chuck it into Grok

>>725584286
You missed out on the trophies though.

>>725585381
Oh no, what a disaster

>>725559905
Elden Ring

>>725564239
How gigantic is her futa cock?

>>725559905
DS1, Sekiro, possibly DeS and BB -- haven't played them.

Yes

>>725584094
Why though

>>725546263
Oh for once its actually real censorship instead of autists crying about them covering up the character's pussy from being upskirted

>>725562878
But I'm not a woman

>>725596875
Is that modded?

>>725597128
Yeah it's this one >>725562438

>>725552741
. . .and red pilled.

>>725597761
That's smaller than the XXTB one right?

>>725598427
It's this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/wuchangfallenfeathers/mods/46

Yours there looks like a crudely edited version of it