Thread 725576883

People have complained a lot about this game in this board. If you were toby fox , how would you fix it?

>>725576883 (OP)
let you rape all the females in the underground

ESPECIALLY muffet

>>725576883 (OP)
garbage tumblr tier game exclusively for furries and trannies

>>725577024
But enough about Expedition 33

Don't make the Alphys text segment mandatory. Have it be like the Papyrus/Undyne phone calls were the player can check their phone to see what Alphys is posting each screen. Keep the joke about her calling you while you're on the conveyor belt puzzle, though

>>725577024
case on point >>725576994
sex pest furtroons can't think about anything but jacking off to their shitty smut all day

>>725576994
addendum: let me rape this >>725577153
anon too

>>725576883 (OP)
let's see
>dialogue
obnoxious discord groomer humor
>art
"bad on purpose" low effort shit
>music
plagiarized
>story
meta
>combat
a turn based rpg made by someone who hates turn based rpgs mixed with a shmup made by someone who hates shmups
so i guess i'd scrap everything

Actually make it difficult and add an extra turn mechanic where you surviving an enemy attack during their turn gives you an extra turn

>>725577153
>case on point
good morning saar

>>725576883 (OP)
Step 1: Move to Japan
Step 2: Release (((episodic))) game for continual revenue stream after learning of the existence and patterns of WEGs
Step 3: Ingratiate myself with the locals as a Japan-loving videogame auteur
Step 4: Take a Japanese wife I keep secret so as not to upset the money train. There are no further steps

>>725576994
fpbp

>>725577762
What continual revenue stream? Everyone who already bought it will keep it forever

>>725577348
>obnoxious discord groomer humor
This is the "portal 2 is reddit" phenomenon. The game was so influential that it permanently altered the humor of a large internet culture, now people assume it came from the culture rather than the other way around

Add more dialogue choices
Hire a competent artist
Change alphys to male

>>725578006
And they talk about it. A lot. Which brings more eyes and attention to it which brings in more sales. Buy a plushie. Buy two

More humanlike designs

Fix it? Why would I fix it for an angry /v/-tard? It's already successful

>>725576883 (OP)
I would completely rework the game and make Toriel the main character. It would be a corruption H game. As the game progresses, Toriel will become steadily more and more depraved. Just like in Deltarune, where she forgets about her son, gets drunk, and has sex with a random guy she's only known for 4-5 days.

>>725578824
>humanlike design
There were a few in the unused sprites

>>725576883 (OP)
99% of complaining was
>GUH WUH???? DA EVIL FLOWAH CALLED ME STINKY FOR KILLING A GUY!!!!!!
So Toby now allows you to beat the shit out of everyone in Deltarune with no "punishment", resulting in bad faith retards just ignoring it entirely

>>725579521
>that quality
>that anti-AI filter only CP posters and the most obnoxious spammers use
Care to tell the class what you've been doing?

>>725576883 (OP)
I thought undertale was fine, Deltarune on the other hand is so far beyond the pale faggot shit. Idk how so many people are hype about it, it's handily the gayest fucking game I've ever played

>>725580223
anon you should replay it there's a mindrape route you can follow now

>>725577348
>buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword

>>725580520
>Play it now, it has fetish shit
You're not helping

MANDATORY MUFFET SEX SCENE ON BOTH ROUTES

>>725578042
it was already stale when it came out. toby fox used to post on the ms paint adventures forum shit and undertale is very much along the lines of problem sleuth and homestuck metahumor. andrew hussie did it spitefully though which toby fox didn't get
>A cactus is the most tsundere of plants.
fuck off

>>725576883 (OP)
Let me preface this by saying that I love the game, so these are mostly nitpicks.
>That line where Asriel tells you he's only been using a fraction of his power. It's very cliche and I could see how it could take someone out of the experience.
>I don't like the Undyne and Alphys romance sequence in the true pacifist. But I can't tell whether it's because I don't like any romance in media in general, because I'm incredibly jaded, or because there's something particularly off about it.
>Similarly I don't like the two guards being gay for each other. Generally I'm not a fan of the LGBT shit in the game. Despite being rather minor and without much fanfare, it still felt tacked on.
>I'm not a fan of the sequence in the true pacifist ending after Toriel stops your fight with Asgore and before Flowey reveals himself. The one with all the different characters coming on screen. Some of the lines there felt like they were trying too hard to be endearing and came across as overly twee. Also I think the fake out sequence with you being defended by everybody from Flowey's attacks felt like it was going for a level of emotion that wasn't properly handled pacing-wise. It's not a big deal, because that isn't the actual climax, but my point is that it didn't work very well as a fake out, because it felt off.
>After you conclude the fight with Asriel, something about the visual of him using/releasing all the souls and destroying the barrier didn't sit right with me. I think it crossed the threshold into feeling melodramatic, which I'm not a big fan of.
It seems like most of the shit I've ragged on here has to do with the pacifist ending, so let me clarify again, that these are nitpicks. I think the writing of that whole sequence is generally very good with the climax being very emotionally compelling and in the same league (or better) as writing of the best games that inspired Undertale like Mother 3.

>>725577348
>someone who hates turn based rpgs
you're retarded
>someone who hates shmups
nevermind I'm retarded for not recognizing bait

>>725581413
This lol

>>725576883 (OP)
I wouldn't change anything, except maybe add a gender selector for the MC instead of they/them post the Frisk reveal in a new game+. I think Undertale is as good as it is.

>>725581592
1 is a tough one because it's a dumb line, but it's a perfectly in-character dumb line because Asriel is a huge fucking nerd. 2 and 3 are because Toby cannot write romance and embarrasses himself every time he tries. It's not an LGBT thing, he just hasn't written a straight romance (of major characters and not one-off joke characters) so no one realizes that he would suck at writing straight romances as well. When so much of his writing involves playing with tropes, it makes it more egregious that every single romance he tries to write ends up playing that godawful Anime McStutterblush garbage trope straight, with nothing clever added.

>>725581592
>actual valid criticism
Damn, this is honestly unexpected.

I think I'll follow suit, because I think my overall biggest flaw with the game is that I think the true pacifist ending is too easy to find. The game makes it way too obvious that you aren't supposed to kill anybody and as a result it's very likely most people only have to play through the game once. Which is a shame since game is very much made for replays and I think a lot about the game actually works better during a second playthrough.

I also think the genocide route is somewhat easy to get. Though, frankly, I feel that's mostly just a issue with the internet. The game very much WANTS it to be the route you do when you've done everything else but in practice you will probably just do it the moment you are done with pacifist cause somebody online told you about the sans fight.

>>725582735
>he just hasn't written a straight romance (of major characters and not one-off joke characters) so no one realizes that he would suck at writing straight romances as well.
I think a lot of people are biased because they really like both Kris and Noelle and Kris and Susie. Which might have not even been meant as romances.

Find a way to organically introduce the entire fucking plot of "Asriel went to the surface with Chara's corpse and came back dead" into the story instead of forcing it onto you in unskippable fight cutscenes in the final corridor before Sans/Asgore while sad music plays.

>>725583934
I mostly like that sequence but I do agree. I think, to some extent, if New home was a actual level it might have worked better.

>>725576994
fpbp

>>725576883 (OP)
Make it less gay and lame.
The first few hours of the game are petting dogs and intentionally bad jokes.

>>725583934
The sad music carries the scene so I don't mind. "Undertale" is a REALLY good song.

If toby had any balls he'd prove he's worth all that money and fame by making a game that doesn't rely on furfags.

>>725584323
While I agree, Toby obviously makes furfag games because he is one.

>>725579339
>corruption
anon, she's already a depraved whore. Flowey already has to watch his mother get piss drunk and slut around the ruins every night.

Undertale is the worst game of all time.

>>725585970
omori: "allow me to introduce myself"

>>725579339
>It would be a corruption H game

>>725585671
>Flowey already has to watch his mother get piss drunk and slut around the ruins every night.
Wait, did Toby put his Mom NTR fetish in Undertale too? I thought that only happened in Deltarune.

>>725588107
No, anon is making shit up.

>>725581592
>That line where Asriel tells you he's only been using a fraction of his power.
Asriel is a small child who's been given the power of a god. He is canonically fighting you as his overpowered donut steel OC. Him beiing corny is perfectly in character.

>>725589727
I don't believe he's that young anymore by the time you meet him. Plus he's very articulate and expressive when describing how he feels. So I don't buy it.

>>725584323
Toby is a furfag (emphasis on the fag part) so he makes games full of furs and fags.

>>725577348
very telling that your criticisms are meaningless and/or impossible to prove

>>725590312
The big thing about Flowey is that he's still a child and physically and mentally unable to grow up.

>>725588107
It was in the Undertale alarm clock christmas special. He doesn't actually say she whores around, I was joking there. He does admit to watching her get piss drunk and pass out on the floor, and its said in the context of her doing the same thing at a christmas party, meaning this is a normal occurrence for her.

source: https://undertale.com/alarmclock/flowey/

>>725590312
Flowey is mentally stunted. Basically becoming a flower with only the memories and feelings of a child, combined with all the trauma he went through, left him stuck as some kind of mental child forever. He only speaks articulately because he wants to sound cool and scary like Chara used to (and this is just conjecture, but I think Chara picked up her speaking patterns from Toriel).

>>725576883 (OP)
Undertale was a /v/ darling when Toby Fox was pitching ideas, looking for feedback, all the wag back in like 2013. I distinctly remember the occasional threads he'd show up, and get both heaps of praise, and equal amounts of doomer bed wetting doubt, even as he posted sprite sheets and concept art.

I even remember the original thread he finally pitched, begging /v/ for donations to hia kickstarter, so he could work on the game fulltime, and hire help, mainly Temmie.

And know what? The rat bastard still lurks to this day, and despite all his post success hype, didn't buy into it, and didn't let Deltarune get flanderized by leaning into the garbage the Tumblr transplants wanted. Christ, the man still lurks, and anonymously posts. He fucking spoiled the entire plot of Deltarune, hidden behind a schizo "meme" plot prediction picture I know someone has, like 4 years ago, and nobody realized until chapters 3 and 4 were released and realized the non sensical "joke" predicions made perfectly lined up with the actual chapters.

The people who complain about Undertale can eat a dick. Toby Fox was and still is someone who made it, didn't sell out, and stuck to his 2010's internet roots. Few creatives ever mannage to do this, let alone at his level of success, while keeping hands off with his community. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Bill Waterson which puts Fox in a league that maybe a couple dozen people in the world can even imagine.

>HURR DURR DICK RIDOR
I WISH I had a tenth the autistic gumption Toby Fox has because making a video game is the most soul draining thing Ive ever suffered, and I say this having had artwork tour the country, and have been a signiture away from havibg a book phblished. I will never not respect the man for what hes accomplished.

>>725588107
There is that scene where she's pubclically affectionate with Sans right in front Asgore while Frisk is present.

>>725592025
That's not NTR. Toriel had been divorced from Asgore for a century and Frisk isn't her child there.

>>725591718
Do you have any links to the really early Toby threads?

> I say this having had artwork tour the country, and have been a signiture away from havibg a book phblished
Obviously you aren't gonna post anything identifiable, but can you at least say what genre you wrote? Maybe how much an impact said work made? Or maybe even post an example of some art (not anything that would trace back to your accounts of course)?

>>725592412
It was NTR to Asgore. That man still believed he could get her back up until that moment, and I had to watch the hope drain from his eyes. And it was second hand NTR to me.

>>725576883 (OP)
The game needs more equipment, enemies, and alternate routes so every playthrough isn't the exact same every time. Also some way to get stats outside of killing.
Basically the game needs to feel more like an actual RPG not an RPG-lite

>>725591616
>(and this is just conjecture, but I think Chara picked up her speaking patterns from Toriel).
There is some evidence going by Chara's speech at the end of the genocide route. Though, Chara being a soulless inhuman monster by then makes it debatable if that is how they spoke in live.

It is funny though how Flowey and Asgore both introduce themselves with "Howdy!" while Toriel and Chara both use "Greetings".

>>725592660
Asgore being delusional doesn't mean NTR. They weren't in a relationship, nobody cheated.

>>725593431
>It is funny though how Flowey and Asgore both introduce themselves with "Howdy!" while Toriel and Chara both use "Greetings".
This is most of what gives me that feeling. It feels like Toby was intentionally establishing a connection there.

>>725593595
It's certainly possible. Chara's fondness for literature might also be the result of her taking after Toriel.

>>725576883 (OP)
I'd remove 75% of the friendly dialogue and force Toby to just fucking pick ONE joke at a time and leave it there. the amount of phonecalls in the game is absolutely obnoxious.

>>725593552
It was spiritually NTR. Asgore was the cuck there.

>>725593812
>Chara's fondness for literature
Where's this from?

>>725594270
During the genocide route Chara quotes a Japanese novel.
https://undertale-science.tumblr.com/post/136011592623/whoa-charadidnt-know-you-read-japanese

>>725593431
>>725593595
Do you think Kris says 'Greetings,' or has he come up with his own goofy greeting that's trying too hard to sound cool? The secret third option is that he's found an edgy dweeb way to say 'Howdy'

>>725594610
I think Kris probably just kind of mumbles "Hey..." or something if he meets a stranger. Not much implies he's very eloquent, even if like Chara he is actually fairly intelligent (Guy is third in class despite literally sleeping through most lessons).

Asriel still 100% says "howdy!" though. Fucking nerd.

>>725576883 (OP)
Remove the gay/woke virtue signalling.

>>725576883 (OP)
this board complains about everything, the game is fine

>>725578042
>The game was so influential that it permanently altered the humor of a large internet culture
lol no.
It's called tumblr humor. Undertale invented nothing. It's just most devs wouldn't start memeing like a tumblrette because that's terrible and not funny. Everyone saw the game, cringed at it and thought "yup, tumblr's to blame here". Soon this would infest more and more games.

>>725592523
If you look on Reddit, you can find compilations of the highlights, I tried searching the archives years ago and its looking for shit in a pile of shit.

The art that I made, that toured, was from Jr High, and Highschool which is going on a decade ago in my life. My parents have the pieces, one was a piece of laminated paper jewlery, one was a ink print that used a second piece of etched glass to add color highlights, I barely remember the rest but they got enough attention that I was "scouted" and got offers for a few big traditional art school scholarships.

The book I decided against publishing, because I wanted to adapt the story into a video game which I'm working on right now. I decided against publishing because the publisher wanted to outright buy the IP which would require that I get a license to publish the game. And even if I did get a license, trying to get a game Publisher like New Blood to publish your game is like trying to fuck a nun while you have a case of the clap.

I could post some pics of buildings Ive designed which is the closest creative thing I got, but that'd out me instantly.

>>725595347
Newfag kys.

>>725594169
That doesn't exist.

>>725594437
The book that proves canon Chasriel.

>>725596507
>toby single-handedly invented tumblr
keep telling yourself that delusional fan

>>725596915
>Chara insisting him and Asriel are technically siblings because that'' her fetish.
Wish I could draw this...

>>725579339
>Toriel the main character. It would be a corruption H game.
Sounds fucking hot. I need this.

>>725594610
Kris doesn't say anything. He just waits for you to notice him looking at you.

>>725599454
Fucking autistic little shit.

If he would just talk like a grown up this would be so much simpler.

>>725596915
Asriel trying to destroy the world to be with Chara proves Chasriel. The first thing he does when he got emotions back was run up to some rando who vaguely resembled her and begged her to take him back.

>>725576883 (OP)
>how would you fix it?
Make the "Pacifist" ending the bad ending; your peaceful attitude towards the monsters gets you invited to speak at a monster gathering of sorts, and you are swiftly and suddenly assassinated in the middle of speaking, to the cheer and gregarious laughter of all monster-kind.

>>725599512
Unfortunately, Toriel took a shit load of Tylenol while pregnant with him. (That's also the explanation she gave Asgore for why he came out human)

>>725599782
Nah, the actual based choice would be if you could actually only get the best ending by killing certain people.

>>725576883 (OP)
>art direction
The art was bad and not in an ironic Space Funeral kind of way. The only good looking stuff was drawn by Temmie and it stuck out like a sore thumb when the art looked so stylistically inconsistent. Programmer art looks like garbage 100% of the time.
>tonal issues
Scrub all references to furries or tumblr or MSPA forum culture. nobody cares about your inner circle.
>length
game is way too long for what it is. It's amateurish to not cut the boring parts. We really didn't need to have Alphys make the same extended joke for about 1.5 hrs, it's way too much. less is more.
>writing
the game spends more time winking at you about subverting RPG tropes than actually letting you play one. Nothing says "emotional depth" quite like a skeleton making puns for twenty minutes while the soundtrack desperately tries to convince you this is all very profound. speaking of the music...
>soundtrack
looping the same three-note melody through forty different tracks and calling it "leitmotif storytelling" does not make you the Mozart of videogames, sorry.

>>725600583
>Game is way too long
Lol. Imao.

>looping the same three-note melody through forty different tracks and calling it "leitmotif storytelling" does not make you the Mozart of videogames, sorry.
It unironically does actuallyt make you better than 99% of game soundtracks.

>>725576883 (OP)
I like the game but it could use a remaster polishing it a little bit and putting it into the same quality as Deltarune. Maybe take the route some other remasters do and add some optional content that doesn't affect the story too much.

>>725600583
>How to fix the game
>Remove everything from the game

>>725600832
The last thing it needs is a remaster to shove in a bunch of retcons and unnecessary changes. I'm glad Toby was based enough to flat out say there will be no remasters (well he said they'd have no changes or upgrades except the annoying dog would be 3d, but thats basically just a direct port at that point)

If you want a remaster just install mods.

>>725600832
And finish Hard Mode

>>725576883 (OP)
I wouldn't have bothered making "lol wacky earthbound but paper mario mechanics but LE HARD" because I know what good games are (and apparently hate money and fame). Any more stupid questions you want to make stupid threads out of, or can we get on with our days?

>>725601218
>to shove in a bunch of retcons and unnecessary changes.
I'm saying he could add some new locations. Don't change any of the existing stuff.

>>725601562
And that would all be retcons. Any bit of new content would change the lore of the game and invalidate how it could have originally been read. Its like George Lucas shoving extra scenes in the original Star Wars.

>>725601718
you're dumb, toby has added stuff to the game like that before.

>>725576883 (OP)
If I was Toby I wouldn't change a thing. /v/ is just not the target market for this game. It found an audience. It's a repulsive as fuck audience, but an audience is an audience. This is one of those millennial, "let people enjoy things even if I hate them" moments. I'll never play a toby fox game and that is ok, he'll continue to milk the fans he deserves.

>>725600583
>nobody cares about your inner circle.
infusing your work with your own flavor of personal autism is how you get peak soul tho

>>725602331
What, MewMew? Yeah turning Mad Dummy into a tranny allegory was such a great addition.

>>725602567
>. /v/ is just not the target market for this game.
You say that like it and its sequel don't get multiple daily threads on this board in addition to 6 generals on other boards.

>>725602567
>>725602995
>/v/ is just not the target market for this game.
>You say that like it and its sequel don't get multiple daily threads on this board in addition to 6 generals on other boards.
Both are correct. Remember: /v/ doesn't actually play games.

>>725591718
this one right?

>>725603174
What do I win?

>>725604193
A ticket off this hellhole.

>>725579339
What the FUCK is WRONG with HER?

>>725603942
Fuck... I actually wants to break this down now.

>>725604454
Woman + old

>>725604339
Anon, we both know we're here forever.

>>725604454
Slut genes

>>725604454
Some women are naturally promiscuous, anon.

>>725576994
fpbp
the sex should have the same style of bullet hell minigames

>>725576883 (OP)
the issues arent about the gameplay, just the aesthetics. so i’d just do a new franchise with teens or something with cool looking 3d models. maybe persona but light hearted

>>725596507
Hope your game does well, anon. If nothing else, Toby was an example of how a game can be a mostly solo production and simplistic in execution, yet break the cultural scene.
>>725601562
He kept teasing that in his stream and did add some locations in that version of the game. However his message was that fans should just come up with their own expansions and changes. Considering that several UT and DR fangames are in production by anons, I would say his intent was successful.

How do you fix the issue of the player taking it personally when the character they're playing is treated with hostility for causing genocide.

>>725579959
this
i cant take anyone seriously who honestly felt offended at being chastised by pixels for being evil