Thread 725587973

It actually took me a long time to reach this conclusion. I thought it was okay when it came out, but the older I get, the better I understand this game to be. It is both the greatest and the most ambitious Final Fantasy, and the very last one sakaguchi had anything at all to do with, which is why it's no surprise there hasn't been soul in a FF game since.

I will make this thread periodically until it is accepted as simple fact.

>>725587973 (OP)
>most ambitious Final Fantasy,
most ambitous was 15, a game meant to be released as 3 parts and we didn't even get half of one

>>725587973 (OP)
Bored the fuck out of me
I didn't care about a single character as they were bland and poorly acted. I might have liked the world setting if the people in it were interesting

>>725591362
>and poorly acted.
you don't know wtf you're talking about clearly

>>725590749
I actually think 8 might be the most ambitious. they scaled it back down for 9

i disagree.
*sucks your dick*
alright, heading out now. let me know if you have any more wrong opinions.

>>725587973 (OP)
It probably is. Has the best world/exploration/combat/endgame. However, the story falls apart like halfway through and just drags on & on. It has the best dialogue and voice acting in the series tho. I probably dumped like 100+ hours into my playthrough doing all the hunts. The only problem is that the basegame is too easy and the mods can't really do much to fix the base game.

>>725594531
I'm playing sff right now and it's still not particularly difficult but it is a decent enough challenge, the later hunts should be interesting. but yeah, is there any game even remotely like this?

>Dude what if we made literally half the cast be inconsequential to the story
>Dude what if we made multiple cutscenes where the main character has no idea what's going on and just stands in the background while people who matter speak
>Dude what if we made a character who's literally just a random girl off the street with no important qualities outside of an extremely large ass
>Dude what if we made a character with an interesting and nuanced backstory and then only let the player use him in one dungeon, at the end of which he dies
>Dude what if we made a villain who has zero emotional connection to the heroes and doesn't even meet them until the last ten minutes
>Dude what if we took an established setting with a million interesting species and then only included humans and bunny humans as playable characters
>Dude what if we gave the narrator a comical Apu accent
>Dude what if we made a complicated political plot and then ruined it by turning it into standard ancient god shenanigans halfway through
>Dude what if we made a plot where the heroes have almost no impact on what happens until 95% of the way through the story, and they spend their time tromping from one ancient temple to the next
>Dude what if we took everything 100% seriously and had zero levity outside of Balthier and Cid
>Dude what if we wrote all of the dialogue to sound like a Renaissance Fair
>Dude what if we we had no overworld and all travel was handled by a menu or floating teleport crystals
>Dude what if we made a battle system where you set everything up in advance so that you don't actually play the game
>Dude what if we made a level-up system where all of the characters become literally identical in function
>Dude what if we made summons useless except for opening doors
>Dude what if we put all of the interesting and unique content in sidequests
>Dude what if instead of having fun side games like the motorcycle chase and Triple Triad we had nothing

>>725587973 (OP)
Second best after 7 imo

>>725593721
Prove me wrong fanboy

If it's so good, why don't they make an FFXII two?

>The sequel has Larsa cucking Basch

>>725596726
name one better jrpg faggot

>>725596985
please tell me this isn't in revenant wings...

>>725587973 (OP)
FFXII is fucking shit and you're a dumb retarded bitch.

>>725597613
Final Fantasy 1
Final Fantasy 2
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
Final Fantasy 10

wow that was hard

>>725597936

>There would have been an initial romance between Ashe and Basch, but towards the end she would have developed feelings for Larsa

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Fortress#Story

>>725598150
the only arguments are 6, 7, and 8, hell even the fag game 9 and they are all amazing for what they are, but I'm saying XII is the greatest RPG ever made and you should kys

>>725598773
And I'm saying you're a shit loving Indian with shit taste and you should drown yourself in shit and stop making Earth smell like shit.

>>725598273
I don't really wanna picture basch fucking ashe to be honest

>>725598852
sorry you don't know what a good video game is faggot.

>>725587973 (OP)
It could have been an all time great Final Fantasy if the story didn't absolutely implode 50% of the way through and also Vaan and Pennelo were heavily reworked/removed. Vaan is a trash MC and Pennelo is the worst love interest.

>>725599084
it's not even about the characters really. the plot is interesting, and why have so many people said it falls apart halfway through? when? it only gets way fucking cooler when inter dimensional aliens are introduced

>>725599260
Shut up retard

>>725599592
you shut up faggot

>>725599084
Even they realized that making Vaan as the mc was a mistake.

>>725600897
she's such a cunt. vaan is the catalyst for the entire story

>>725587973 (OP)
You're close to reaching the truth since you've acknowledged 12 is top tier. The reality is that FFXI was the best at 75 cap, it was 12 but with real players as your party members and a better world.

>>725597613
Not him but:
Shadow Hearts 1+2
Digital Devil Saga 1+2
SMT 3, Strage Journey, and VV
Nier Replicant +Automata
Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and X

>>725601185
I've played XI a couple times. never for very long and always when it was way past its prime but I do think it's an incredible game, it just isn't worth the sub fee these days I don't think. maybe when 14 finally dies they'll do xi classic and I'll spend ten years palying that, but otherwise, save for finding a full group of people to start at the same time, XI is probably over for me

>>725587973 (OP)

>best FF game
>villain is actually the hero of his own game

Astonishingly based.

>>725601291
these are all pretty much objectively worse. shadow hearts is terrible, you seem to really like the smt games but I can't play the same fucking thing over and over for years. and don't even get me started on xenoblade

>>725601565
>villain is actually the hero of his own game
Elaborate

>>725601565
>>725601649
I second this elaboration request

>>725601472
If you can get in when a new private server releases in the future, that'd probably be the best time to attempt to get into it since it's the best time to make new friends. I think there's supposed to be 2 coming in the future, I'm sure they'll shill on /v/ a bit like the last big private server did.

i would like it way more if their faces were not so uncanny in their colors. They need some makeup or something on all the characters

>>725601565
No he isn't. In fact, getting rid of the Occuria is canonically shown to have ruined Ivalice in the end and made it way shittier.

>>725587973 (OP)
No. IX is best.

>>725603652
Checks out

>>725593807
how could any sane person say that after the absolute scope of FFXV's disaster?
When you out it like, FF8 and FF15 are kinda similar like that.
You could say that the failure of the Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie is still killing Square to this day,

>>725596726
>the motorcycle chase and Triple Triad
>fun minigames

>>725597613
SaGa Frontier

>>725603697
Flamboyant pretty boys in revealing clothing are the peak of villain designs.

I did it

>>725601094
Yeah, but they could have made him less bland by adding mini dialogues with each member while traveling. Like, for instance, his grieving toward Reddas would be much more impactful if they had more interaction, but since he only met him briefly, the moment felt dull.

>>725606497
No one cares its a shit game

>>725587973 (OP)
Your mom is the only one sucking dicks here

>>725587973 (OP)
The problem with this game is it's supposed to be an offline MMO but most MMOs actually have better gameplay than this AND they have the multiplayer component to keep things interesting. The only thing left to distinguish this game is its story, music, and characters and I wasn't crazy about any of them.

>>725587973 (OP)
It's the only FF I like
And yes I consider its story to be ass but it's still a great game

>>725587973 (OP)
Maybe on planet retard

>>725587973 (OP)
It's really not but at least it's better than that piece of shit FFX that killed the series. It IS the last good FF thoughever.

>>725587973 (OP)
I disagree completely. The spirit of Final Fantasy and Sakaguchi's touch are gone in XII. It shines only in technicalities. It has a very high amount of attacks, equipment and boss fights, but they're rarely memorable. There's a lot of overworld maps and dungeons, but they're just different wallpapers for the exact same gameplay. The story seems thought out and complex, but fails to engage emotionally or have a sense of adventure. The characters feel like they don't even know each other by the end of the story. The game has strong pacing at the start, but it becomes formulaic very quickly. A quick and varied pace is what made Final Fantasy games up to X stand out from other JRPGs, but that quality is lost in XII. The only thing that XII retains are the high production values

XII is just plain fucking boring. It has drab environments, a shitty lifeless party, and a bland forgettable OST

>>725611165
>The characters feel like they don't even know each other by the end of the story.
I like XII overall, but this is definitely its weakest aspect. The characters are all too static, and it feels more like the plot is moving around them instead of vice-versa. There's probably more character development in Wakka's character arc in X than there is in the entirety of XII.

>>725587973 (OP)
10/10 game