Thread 725607261

is it too late to get into this game?
im not a zoomer i actually still have my copy of the orange box, i just never really played the game after the mannconomy update

Game's dead, mate.

about a decade too late

>>725607261 (OP)
it's still fun

I reinstalled for nostalgia and after being assured the bot problem was fixed. Guess what? Bots filling up lobbies again.

>>725607261 (OP)
Regardless of the game status matchmaking is as bad as it ever was: most matches are stomp or get stomped, no in-between.
I've tried to play this over the years and I always quit because it's not just that great experience.

It's worse than it was years ago, but still miles better than ever other mutliplayer shooter on the market. The casual servers are still active, but the community server peak has long passed. If you just want to play it again the game is still perfectly fine. If you wanted to really "get into it" and try to experience a personal community of friends playing on the same server regularly, I'm sorry to say that that doesn't really happen anymore.

>>725607589
24/7 playlists have replaced community servers.
like stop with this nigger shit about muh cumhuuuunuteeeyy servers.
You fucking faggots, i bet you all miss your VIP cancer.

>>725607738
We used to run servers to play with our friends on our favorite maps and settings. I'm sorry you missed out.

Just boot it up and see for yourself retard

>>725607261 (OP)
It's never too late, the skins and fancy cosmetics have never been cheaper unless you want literal fagged up taunts, australiums or hats with 10 different special effects.

>>725607261 (OP)
You missed the prime of vanilla Valve servers (2014-2016), and half of the weapons have been nerfed to shit, but the core gameplay has aged like fine wine.

>>725607261 (OP)
>is it too late to get into this game?
Yes. Genuinely, and I say this as someone who has been playing the game for almost 15 years, do not play it. This game is a zombie of what it once was. If I started playing this game today I would have dropped it within the first 3 hours.

>>725608248
>the core gameplay has aged like fine wine
you mean just trolling around and then taunting into killbind?
waozers, peak gameplay!

>>725607392
Maybe, but it's not like there's some expiry date stamped on the executable. Yeah, you missed the golden age-custom servers with goofy-ass mods, random crits sparking rage in pubs, and that weird era when everyone was obsessed with trading-but the game's still there. Still has charm, jank and all. Just don’t expect the same game that dropped in '07; it’s more of a haunted museum tour now. Go in knowing that, and you might still have a good time.

>>725608323
Stop playing CTF

>>725608508
>schadenfreudes you and killbinds

new players should stay away from TF2, it's a miserable and hostile experience with nothing to look out for except shitty lootcrates and getting stomped by the matchmaking. I keep playing because I'm 6k hours and know my way through the game but I feel really sorry for any new player that gets shitted on by anyone with more than 500 hours, sometimes it's sad.
Unless you play CTF, then you can fuck around with other mouthbreathers and enjoy the game like its 2011 minus the chat because nobody fucking talks anymore im 2025.

>>725607261 (OP)
yes, join casual match but don't expect much

No, not at all.
Most of the people whining about it in this thread don't actually play it.
Pretty much all you're going to have to know in advance is that most of the spy's disguise options will immediately out you to any enemy gamer around their spawn or near teleporters, generally avoid using disguises around those even though common sense would tell you that's a good place to use them.
They've also updated the game with Steam Multiplayer, so if you've got some niggas you want to play with it's easy as fuck to play an online game from in the client, but most of the playerbase is in the casual multiplayer since the few remaining dedicated servers suck ass and nobody likes those people.
Hope you have a good time OP.

Bots have returned to Valve servers.
Community servers all have cringey plugins and tranny moderators who stamp out the slightest pulse of edgy humor like the tranny gestapo they are.

>>725609174
An online game as in a private/public game, I mean.
You don't need to pile all your friends into skial or some shit these days.

>>725609205
Also this dude is full of shit, bots have been gone since last year when Uncle Dane got a legal notice to stop being a bothosting nigger.

>>725608951
I've also got thousands of hours in so I can't really say you're wrong, but I don't feel like TF2 is really that hard to approach. I play pretty lazy most of the time and still don't really feel like I'm getting shit wrecked unless it's a stacked pubstomp team I'm up against. The other day I was taking pot-shots as a sniper at a 5 man group capping a control point like 10 feet away. They were all facing away from where RED attacks from and I was able to jarate and kill two of them before they noticed I was there. There's still noobs for other noobs shoot at in the game and you can fuck up pretty often and still do decent. It's not something completely impenetrable like trying to get into Counter Strike.

>>725607479
See tf2s player count? Most of that is bots, over half iirc. Don't let the die hard faggot fans know this though they hate hearing it

>>725609607
There are indeed bots again, though I've only seen them a couple times on Harvest so far. They just join the sever and idle on the MOTD so it wastes a player slot. They also can't be vote kicked since they aren't technically on a team yet, even though it says they are on the scoreboard.

>>725607261 (OP)
>im not a zoomer
you scared of being called a zoomer or something? what a weird thing to point out in your post

>>725609607
>Other person is full of shit
>Conspiracy faggery
There's also still a small number of bots, they mostly waste player slots now and can't be kicked.

>>725607261 (OP)
I reinstalled and played for a while recently and still don't really know how to answer. The game itself has always been worthwhile but matchmaking is a sick, time wasting joke.

>>725610507
>It's conspiracy faggotry to point at the literal single retard who had the infrastructure to actually run bots
>By the way there's super secret invisible bots and you can't see them but they're like a million billion times worser than ever you didn't play full games of Scream Fortress all last month because I never run the game and assume it's totally killed
Ok

>>725610472
...Anon, TF2 can literally vote and drink in almost every western country.

>>725610567
If there's one last major update to the game before shelving it forever, I hope it's an overhaul to the matchmaking that hopefully fixes some of the issues. Don't assign players to teams before they connect and bring back the old team selection screen. Run maps on a hour long timer instead of switching every two matches. Scramble the teams every full match.

>>725611237
Me personally I feel like that's totally unnecessary since it's easier than ever to host listen servers with any arbitrary rules you want.

>>725607261 (OP)
It's still fun and anyone who says otherwise is probably retarded or just does not like first person shooters

>>725607261 (OP)
WOOOOO-*explodes*

Are there any other games that give the same feel playing spy in tf2 does? I've got over 3k hours in the French fuck alone

>>725607261 (OP)
No, but only if you don't take it seriously.
The game is best played as a meme factory, it was solved years ago and there is no point in trying to unironically learn the game.

>>725611845
Class based shooters are dead and the core mechanics for spy basically only exist in TF2.

Im playing it for the first time and In the 5th game I played i was kicked for no reason and stopped. Maybe Im just bad at it lol

>>725612951
you probably didnt killbind with some faggot fully decked in unusuals

>Halloween maps already gone
>No more comfy Zombie Infection with people just messing around in all chat

>>725613034
If it's like the past year or so I didn't have an issue attracting players by running a server with zombie infection maps.
There's pretty good demand during the off season if you leave the server public.

>>725611946
I don't think any multiplayer action game can ever be "solved" unless there's a method for one player to win the game 100% of the time before the other player has time to interfere.

>>725613437
The answer to this in TF2 is generally
>Bring more than one gamer
Which is what like, 99% of the problems with TF2's "balance" usually are.

>>725608508
ctf is the best mode and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

>>725613437
>>725613493
what the fuck are you two faggots about?

>>725607261 (OP)
It’s never too late. Feel free to hop on at any time.
>>725607589
Don’t know what you’re talking about. Community servers are still fun as hell.

>>725613820
He's talking about the conceptual idea of a game being "solved" as in there's a way you can play the game that basically completely eliminates the possibility of losing (usually at the cost of sucking all the fun out of a game).
I'm talking about the shit people usually whine about with there being balance problems
>Waaah sniper is OP if you can't instantly kill the entire enemy team
>Waaah pyro and the homewrecker is op the existence of team mates means I don't immediately win against engineers as spies
>Waaah the vaccinator is overpowered because I am completely alone and can't do all damage types

>>725614595
Incidentally the sniper and vaccinator thing can both just be solved by playing as scout with the Wrap Assassin and Flying Guillotine since nailing someone with both deals like 125-175 damage.

>>725614595
...no?
you fucking retard?
a game being solved means the skill ceiling is now fixed and it cannot get any higher, because the game has not changed since then
is this like the first time you heard the phrase?

>>725613729
CTF always devolves into a stalemate because it's design breaks the invisible systems that trick players into using teamwork incidentally. In attack/defense gamemodes you always have one clear objective and are funneled there by the map and sound design. Spawn points are staggered so you are almost always arriving with a team. CTF forces players to decide if it's more important to be attacking or defending, and if not enough players choose to attack at the same time then the defense can just be impenetrable. Non-attack/defense CP is pretty busted for the same reason but not to the same extent as CTF since capturing the next point is also a defensive play. People still overcorrect into defense stacking when their control is threatened though, which leads to long stalemates.

>>725614595
>>725615051
>>>/r/iamverysmart

>>725607261 (OP)
That's the beauty of TF2, just hop on and play. Ain't no commitment beyond your own enjoyment of the game.

>>725614936
That's really not what it means though. You're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solved_game

>>725615365
wow you're actually a fucking retarded critter
are you autistic, perchance?

>>725615435
At least one of us must be.

>>725615682
Jokes on you
I posted that Joker gif AND I'm not the guy you were talking with.
You infact mad.

>>725615843
>i have been found out
>i will now schizo out
Maybe stop replying to yourself.

>>725615956
No I mean I'm >>725614595 not >>725615365 or >>725615535
And I knooooow what threads you've been in

>>725616146
STOP SAMEFAGGING

>>725607261 (OP)
absolutely not OP ignore everyone else. new players will always be ingrained in tf2s culture. you should probably play it as its the best multiplayer game

>>725616214
I know who you aaaare~

>>725616214
>>725616146
>>693914854
>>725616341
All me by the way

i'd rather play garden warfare

>>725613820
You know what to do, people.

>>725607261 (OP)
tf2 isn't an fps anymore, its a social hangout with guns
so no