Thread 725630939

Why didn't they just call it VTM: Seattle?

Because it's a first person FPS/RPG hybrid where you basically go through all the major story beats from Bloodlines 1, and at the end of the game you open the box and discover what it's inside.

Calling it something else is like the original plan they had to call FEAR 2 "Project Origin" because the licensing issues.

>>725630939 (OP)
They were literally told to name it Bloodlines 2. Devs stated this openly.

>>725631007
>first person FPS
>implying this game has any RPG mechanics at all
>FPS/RPG hybrid, which somehow implies that a pure RPG can't have first-person perspective
Damn like 6 words into your post and you were already retarded 3 times. Didn't read the rest

Because who the fuck would buy that
>Hurr there are vampire beavers and werebears in the pacific northwest
who'd play that shit

because originally it was one ex-Troika guy (Mitsoda) who really REALLY always wanted to make a sequel to VtMB.
after the SJWs ousted Mitsoda from his own studio all connection was severed, and it should've been added to the heap of Visual Novels that also use the setting but don't try to attach themselves to Bloodlines.

>>725631117
i'm pretty sure the first post is op samefagging, it was posted less than 2 minutes after the thread was made

>>725631117
>>FPS/RPG hybrid, which somehow implies that a pure RPG can't have first-person perspective
And FPS/RPG hybrid is a game that's basically an FPS with RPG set dressing. It's the FPS version of an "action RPG".

>>725631318
lel

>>725630939 (OP)
>>725631071
I'm fairly sure it was due to legal constraints. Maybe they would've had to do 100% enforced refunds or something if any part of the title was changed?

>>725631007
I kinda wish we had a FEAR Extraction Point vs FEAR 2 situation with Bloodlines, where you get two companies and they make their own versions of the same game.

>>725631369
>legal constraints
No. They wanted a return on their investment and knew there wasn't a real market for this shit.
So they went fishing for fans of the original.

>>725631384
How did that work with the IP rights?
Also we have something vaguely similar now with the implosion of the Disco Elysium studio, with 3 successor studios who all claim to be making the REAL next DE

>>725631369
It really just boils down to wanting to ship Bloodlines 2. They didn't want to go down the Battlefield 3 -> Battlefield: Elite Squadron route where Elite Squadron IS Battlefield 3, but they changed the name to make everyone forget about Free Radical's shitfire as quickly as possible.

>>725631443
but the problem is they could have done precisely that. there no bloodlines the series that would've been disrupted.

>>725631727
APPROVED BY GANGREL

>>725631441
Okay, so here's my understanding. It's very interesting.
>FEAR begins development in the early 2000s. It is published by Vivendi, and developed by Monolith.
>Warner Bros purchase Monolith in 2004.
>FEAR is released in 2005, published by Vivendi.
>The following year, Monolith publish Condemned Criminal Origins, published by WB.
>At this point a split occurs. Vivendi own the name "FEAR" and have SOME rights to the story and characters. They can use Alma. They can use Paxton Fettel, etc.
>Monolith (now a part of Warner Bros) do have some rights to FEAR, though. They are not allowed to use the name FEAR, but they are allowed to use Alma, same as Vivendi.
>Without Monolith in 2005, Vivendi turn to TimeGate and have them develop two expansions. Extraction Point in 2006, and Perseus Mandate in 2007. However, because Perseus Mandate disappoints in sales figures, Vivendi decide to cut their losses and sell the FEAR brand to Warner Bros in 2008.
>Warner Bros then takes the in-development Project Origin and renames it FEAR 2: Project Origin.
BUT THERE'S MORE.
>Between 2006 and 2008, Day One Studios were tasked with developing FEAR 2 for Vivendi. Day One would later develop FEAR 3 for Warner Bros.
https://www.unseen64.net/2025/01/25/f-e-a-r-2-day-1-studios-pc-ps3-xbox-360-cancelled-pitch/
The end result is that there are two parallel versions of FEAR. One by Vivendi, one by WB. A lot of people prefer the Vivendi version because FEAR 2 (Monolith's) ultimately ended up being a weaker rehash of Extraction Point.

>>725631574
Did renaming Battlefront 3 to Elite Squadron stop people bitching and moaning about Battlefront 3, or did it just make people say, "Wait, so Elite Squadron is LITERALLY Battlefront 3?"

>>725631369
the idiots who preordered the original VTMB2 should have lost their money and not gotten access to the chinese room version t b h

>>725632089
That's pretty cool. I never understand how deals happen where one entity gets to use the name of a franchise but another entity gets to use the characters of that franchise
Interesting that it was all above board though and still led to two separate franchises more or less

I cannot emphasize enough how similar Hardsuit and The Chinese Room's Bloodlines are. Forget all the vertical slice bullshit with skill checks and stuff. Hardsuit were never going to ship that. They had no clue how to make an RPG. The game they were making was basically the same as the one you got except that the combat was terrible.

>>725632507
it was also probably going to be 10x more woke based on the fact that the some of the very first information we got about the game was gender shit

>>725632507
is this the new shill line in response to people saying they would've rather have had the hardsuit version now

>>725632598
It's not new
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/%22vertical%20slice%22%20rpg/

>>725632625
it's more the "the games are the same except the chinese room's version is better", which seems suspicious because of how many people started to say they think the hardsuit version seemed better

pretty sure the paradox shill is still around and talking to himself

>>725632718
It's the same dude who's been shilling for years, friend. He's not a Paradox shill, he's a TCR employee

Has the guy who spent two years shilling this crap on here killed himself yet?

>>725632979
Take a guess
>>725632507
>>725631007

>>725632979
>two years
there were idiot left wingers coping about VTMB2 since the initial reveal, lots of "the first game was woke too" shit lol

>>725632718
>because of how many people started to say they think the hardsuit version seemed better
Those people are complete morons. Hardsuit's game was shit.

>>725633102
Game literally had a "don't troon out" description for estrogen.
TCR was so butthurt by that, they made a Nosferatu tranny faggot and the Johnny Vampirehead voice comment on that.

>>725633202
yeah i found out about that yesterday, so cringe lol

>>725632595
Hardsuit's version was woke in different ways to The Chinese Room's. There was an anon in here the other day saying that HSL was full of in-fighting over stuff like Mr. Damp being a Malkavian because having a Malkavian be a serial killer was portraying the mentally ill as inherently deranged and shit like that.

>>725633243
Meanwhile, in VTMB2
>"ugh another Malkavian, if you guys weren't so useful, I wouldn't keep you around"
>neither Gideon nor Fabien EVER say anything crazy

>>725630939 (OP)
Why don’t you fuck off and kill yourself, you worthless sack of shit?

>>725633438
Do they at least foreshadow the future?

>>725633634
>Do they at least foreshadow the future?
Constantly.

>>725633634
Nope

>>725633438
Pretty much everything that comes out of Fabien's mouth is delusional nonsense. How didn't you notice that?

>>725633670
>>725633692
I am conflicted.

So far the writing I saw was rather lackluster, to the point I believe the nope man more.

>Constantly.
Have a screenshot or something?

>>725633202
>Game literally had a "don't troon out" description for estrogen.
does anyone else feel like people are reading into this way too much? i'm pretty sure i've seen testosterone creams that say women should be careful about coming into contact with it too. doesn't have anything to do with being trans. kind of feel like the people thinking it's dunking on trannies and vtmb2 trying to take that and spin it are all complete retards.

>>725633852
https://youtu.be/XIV8Nuc6WpE?t=17187
HOLY SHIT DID HE ASK WHAT WE ARE CELEBRATING WHILE BEING AT A NEW YEAR'S PARTY?
THIS GUY IS COMPLETELY INSANE BROS HOLY FUCK WHAT KIND OF FORESHADOWING IS HE SHADOWING FORELY???????????

>>725634009
>kind of feel like the people thinking it's dunking on trannies and vtmb2 trying to take that and spin it are all complete retards.
no, idiot, it's about how manufactured all tranny shit is, before 2010 it was basically a non-entity, modern media regularly made fun of the idea because it was so fucking stupid

then the rich realized they could mindfuck the left with identity politics and so started to push shit like that, and they bought it

>>725634040
>HOLY SHIT DID HE ASK WHAT WE ARE CELEBRATING WHILE BEING AT A NEW YEAR'S PARTY?
Anytime Fabien says he is remembering something, there's a 75/25 percent chance he is making shit up.

>>725634040
No fucking way, they went for a dialogue wheel.

>>725634452
If you don't like the wheel, play on PC.

>>725634526
From what I have seen, I'd rather pass.

>>725634040
It's foreshadowing that Fabien keeps inserting his "I'm a detective" bullshit into 1925 flashbacks despite the fact he is not, nor has ever been, a detective.

>>725634629
Your loss.

>>725634436
>say Fabien only says delusional shit
>he doesn't
>uh yeah well if he doesn't then it doesn't count cause that specific line is probably made up
Jesus fucking christ man, re-evaluate your life

>>725630939 (OP)
>Why didn't they just call it VTM: Gay?

>>725634748
Are you confused? Practically everything Fabien says is bullshit. His "flashbacks" are bullshit. How do you think he hides the fact he's the modern rebar killer in them? Any time the fact he's delusional rears it's head, he just sidesteps it. He keeps insisting he's not a fighter, meanwhile he's ripping people's heads off and jamming pieces of rebar through their torsos. And who knows what he's done with the heads.

>>725634085
nobody ever seemed to mention it had anything to do with trannies until vtmb2 was announced and idiots had to start fighting their culture war over a 20 year old video game

I'm conflicted on this game as I think once you get the hang of the combat, it can be pretty fun. I mixed up Lasombra and Tremere powers and was just teleporting across the map killing everything. The story was intriguing enough but everything in between was terrible.

The mission underground in the chinese temple area was a really good level though. Good level design and made it feel less of a walking sim for 5 mins.

>>725634953
>the fact he's the modern rebar killer
He isn't. You made it up. You said everything he says is delusional, then dismissed any evidence to the contrary with "yeah that's not real"
Shut the fuck up shill

>>725631071
Boo fucking hoo. These idiots accepted to finish the game, no one forced TCR to make it.
They should stick to their walking sims and never touch someone elses IP again

>>725634998
>Good level design
>try to go one level lower than the roof I'm currently on
>dude just falls down cause the automatic mantle animation doesn't work
>20 abominations spawn because their spawn trigger is set when you step into the middle of the temple, which I never did before because you can just go up the roofs immediately

>>725634953
All of Fabien's flashbacks contradict the path you take when you retrace his steps. He doesn't walk around the city streets. He's jumping over buildings and clambering about.

If you read between the lines very carefully, Fabien is an assassin. He kills people that the court think are a threat to the masquerade. That also explains why he's so familiar with the pawn shop owner guy. Fabien hides his real nature beneath the cheery, delusional facade of being a police officer, of being a detective. He imagines that he's a crime fighter working out of his office in the precinct with a shiny plaque on the door. When we visit his office as Phyre, we discover it's an old storeroom in the basement with a post-it note on the door.

>>725635359
>If you read between the lines
i.e. "I made it all up"
Shut the fuck up shill. You don't get to dismiss criticism of the game your co-workers shat out by saying "yeah none of the things you're criticizing happened because of a theory I made up"

>>725635359
When does Fabien say crazy things or predict the future while talking directly with Phyre whenever you're going over the events of a night? Post 15 examples, you said every single one of his lines is crazy Malk babble and/or predicting the future. And you cannot deflect towards flashbacks cause it's current day Phyre

>>725634629
Good. The game isn't worth playing. The combat is dogshit, the story is dogshit, the writing is dogshit, the RPG mechanics are nonexistant and the only thing TCR actually put work into (the walking sim sections) are so horrendously bad that they said they're looking into a way to let people skip them
This game isn't worth your time.

>>725635359
Fabien lets the mask slip a few times. When you kill civilians he isn't upset at all, and makes jokes about it. When you kill cops, he says things like, "The thin blue line just got a bit thinner." The whiplash between his "I'm so fascinated by humans" and "Lol, murder" is stark. The real Fabien is a monster. He has absolutely no qualms about frying people's brains just so he doesn't have to settle gambling debts. (Which foreshadows what is being done to him.) His detective nonsense is holding him together, but under the surface he's a complete monster.

>>725635589
The Fabien in Phyre's head has no Malkavian abilities.

>>725635985
that's interesting, fabien is actually a monster and safia is actually a monster and lou is actually a monster and

>>725635791
The combat is good, the story is fantastic, the RPG mechanics aren't important in a game like this.

>>725630939 (OP)
Nobody would buy it otherwise
Like swansong

>>725636302
>implying anyone bought this crap

New patch just dropped on PC. I wonder what they changed. Looks we're gonna get a new patch every 2 weeks.

>>725636143
Fabien is a monster pretending to be a cool detective. Safia is a kind, gentle girl larping as a monster because she went insane.

>Tremere that's at least 100 years old
>kind, gentle
LOL

>>725636642
Safia genuinely loved Gideon and liked Fabien. But she became disillusioned, and left to find answers. She got sucked into the sabbat, thinking she could use them, and she did some terrible things. But underneath it all, she's a miserable lovesick girl who wants revenge on the people who wronged her. Killing her is framed as bringing her peace, not toppling a maniacal villain.

>>725636443
I can't see anything meaningful being added or updated within 2 weeks of launch

>>725637583
The only meaningful update will be making Fabien's anti-gameplay sections skippable
That'll bring the game up from a 2/10 to a 3/10 easy

>>725637583
Patch is a bunch of bug fixes. Also a prelim roadmap. Patch 1.05 with FOV and motion blur and improved save system is coming before Christmas.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/bloodlines-2-hotfix-1-0-4

>>725637731
literally nothing then

>>725637894
The fuck did you think? That they'd try to make the game actually good? Paradox cut their losses

>>725637731
>This update will also include the “Custom Difficulty” mode, which will consist of settings like “Starting Health,” “Masquerade Sensitivity,” “Enemy Awareness,” and an option to choose between playing only the Phyre quest or only the Fabien quests. The “Custom Difficulty” mode will be unlocked for any clan you’ve completed the game with, so think of it as our version of New Game+

>>725637731
>roadmap is basically nothing but ugly cosmetics added for phyre
lmao
>final dlc is q3 2026
long time to wait for a 2 hour shitty dlc no one wants to play as a character no one likes

>>725637731
They're also working on other improvements that aren't mentioned in the roadmap -- stuff like improving stealth design, but I think you'll be waiting until the Valentine's Day update for those.

>>725637945
Ah yes, now that I finished the worst game of the decade, I will go play it again in NG+! (nothing actually carries over, but you can make it so you instadie to the masquerade)
Amazing

The game has been out 3 weeks, and they still haven't fixed the rough as fuck performance.

>>725637731
>"roadmap" for a singleplayer action game
grim

>>725638183
Paradox love roadmaps.

>>725636152
Come on now dawg. You can't be serious?!
RPG mechanics not important in a Bloodline games?
Stop taking the mick and post sick .webms of the good combat.

Can the story beat Bender calling you fucked in the beginning of the game?

>>725637731
Wasn't one of the main save issues the lack of multi saves? The game already has an autosave feature when you accept or complete missions as well as feeding on the rainbow people in the city. (it's still shit though)

>>725638581
Autosave on exit is doubling down on their "NO YOU DON'T GET TO RELOAD CHOICES" policy.
They noticed me alt+f4ing during one Ryong conversation where I tested out if any of options make a difference, and cracked down on it because it breaks the illusion of TCR being a competent dev

>>725638708
>They noticed me alt+f4ing during one Ryong conversation where I tested out if any of options make a difference, and cracked down on it because it breaks the illusion of TCR being a competent dev
This pissed me off. I was rude and short with most characters because I was a Ventrue elder who doesn't get spoken to like shit and then nothing happens in following conversations. It's like it never happened despite [X dislike that]. More so annoying when Safia keeps calling you 'my love' despite telling her not to and despite not doing anything to make her think it's ok. The only masquerade in this game is the one pretending to be an RPG.

>>725638890
>X dislike that
It's so funny to me that they stole the Telltale way of character consequences, when TT games famously have none of those things actually matter
>More so annoying when Safia keeps calling you 'my love'
>can't tell her immediately to cut that shit out, the option only comes up like 3 dialogues later
>no one else mentions how weird that is
God the writing is shit

>>725637731
There's a decent chance the Valentine's Day update will revamp the clan contact stuff and turn them into fleshed out romance paths.

>>725631007
It has almost nothing to do with the first and it is disingenuous to claim otherwise.

>>725637731
Cancer

>>725631007
>RPG
It isn't an RPG. There is no Role Playing Mechanics in this game, you can't even pick up weapons. If gimped upgrade skill tree makes a game an RPG than new CoD and Far Cry is an RPG

>>725639963
It's deeply funny to me that you called it a "gimped upgrade skill tree"
YOU CAN'T EVEN UPGRADE THE SKILLS, that's how little of an RPG it is

>>725638581
>The game already has an autosave feature when you accept or complete missions as well as feeding on the rainbow people in the city.
The game has a problem where it doesn't actually save when doing things like collecting graffiti and stuff. They're working on more save stuff, but saving on exit is a band-aid fix.

I also see they fixed all the fucking fall through the ground bugs in the underground. I cannot believe they shipped the game like that.

>>725631727
BY GOD IT'S THE UNDERTAKER GIVING HER THE TOMBSTONE PILEDRIVER

>>725640385
It's clearly a suplex

>>725638890
>More so annoying when Safia keeps calling you 'my love' despite telling her not to and despite not doing anything to make her think it's ok.
She's doing that on purpose.

>>725639963
>you can't even pick up weapons.
Yes you can.

>>725640478
>>725640549
Shut the fuck up shill

>>725637731
Why does every game need a roadmap? What about just releasing the game in its final state?

>>725640549
using telekinesis to hold a gun in front of you and shoot 5 bullets is not picking up a weapon

>>725640590
Generates goodwill, which makes investors go "whoooaaa"

>>725635359
I don't dislike the idea, but it's quite a stretch.
Is he being dominated into fucking with his own memory? The only other being that should be capable of dementation is in a mystical torpor land impaled by steel.

when are the speedruns going up??

>>725637176
unverified headcanon and bad justification for a shitty antagonist

>>725641105
You don't get it, you're SUPPOSED to want to skip all her dialogue, and all of Fabien's dialogue, and you're SUPPOSED to be bored out of your mind on every Fabien flashback and during combat and during traversal and during farming blood resonances and during sidequests
It's art

>>725638042
monumental fuck ups all around with this game
sad
what could have been

>>725630939 (OP)
The devs didn't want it to be called Bloodlines (both, HSL and TCR). It was the retarded suits at Paradox who demanded it.

>>725640579
Safia acting more and more neurotic as she begins to become unable to tell the difference between you and Gideon is a huge part of the plot.

>>725637731
wait what, the first patch was "save on exit"
actually what the fuck is this roadmap

>>725641693
Actually, the first patch were some additional hairstyles and outfits, and you had to start an entirely new save to access them kek

>>725641787
That was a bug that they hotfixed the next day.

>>725641787
>Actually, the first patch were some additional hairstyles and outfits
That was less of a patch and more of a pre planned seasonal update for Halloween.

>>725641693
>>725641693
This is technically the fourth patch for the game.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news

>>725630939 (OP)
because they sold vtmb2 preorders years ago and were forced to put something out

>>725642198
>actually, they already made patches with such amazing content as "lets you actually launch the game"
#wow

>>725640590
gamers are little more savvy and don't buy in without a "promise" that the game won't be instantly abandoned

>>725642191
It was both. They have seasonal updates pre-planned, but the Halloween one contained a huge number of bug fixes as well. Because they have to be console certified these patches are one week behind. So there is another patch coming in about 2 weeks, and this will add an FOV slider and motion blur toggle and another big swathe of bug fixes.

>>725642643
I know, I'm just too lazy to do it.

>>725642514
This post and screenshot made be believe the shill poster that there may be a shill here

>>725637731
So basically the best thing to do is wait a year to buy the game cheaper, patched and with the expansions?

>>725643148
No. Do not ever buy this, it's irredeemably bad

>>725643148
Probably, yea. Or at least wait until the Valentine's Day update. Looking at the patch changelogs, the game was clearly released too early.

>>725643485
Unfortunately I've played Requiem, Bloodlines 1, Vampyr etc etc to death. I will end up buying this because the vampire genre is so small but I'm not dying quite yet so there's no rush and I can get a good deal at least.

>>725643148
That’s what you should always do anyway

>>725643485
It's pretty blatantly the only good vampire game. So there's that.

>>725643595
Check out the visual novels and choose your own adventure games like night road if you want some good vamp stories set in this world

>>725643658
Already have done most of them, yeah.

>>725643595
Bet you haven't even played Evil West

>>725630939 (OP)
the combat in this game is so goddamn annoying, genuinely impressive that they got it that bad

>>725643708
Not really the kind of vampire mood I'm going for but it's on my wishlist anyway just in case I grow desperate one day.

>>725643781
Now imagine mediocre combat but you actually get to level up your skills. Kino

>>725643927
Well in that case I only have Bloodlust and Vampire's Fall left

>>725643940
I think I actually finished this game, definitely didn't finish Bloodlines 2 though that's for sure

>>725644089
>Bloodlust
Why does it look like a WEG?

>>725630939 (OP)
>You're supposed to be the strongest thing in the city by a mile
>forced reliance on stealth takedowns anyway because the skinny mud bloods with double smgs can take more hits than the "tank" types

>>725644268
Oh god I see it. Stock models I guess?

Where the FUCK are the Kuei-Jin

>>725645830
not in v5 and have been retconned out of existence

More like VtM: for goycattle

>>725645984
So what, all chink vampires share the same clans as the western ones?

>>725645984
Fuck this gay earth

>>725645830
>>725646227
They were a completely different thing, vampires only in name.

>>725646227
It would be racist otherwise, wouldn't it. The different races can't have their own different monsters because we're all the same.

>>725641312
> Retarded
No. They needed to sell the game, what else were they supposed to do?

>>725646793
Cancel it.

>>725646793
I don't believe VTMB is a household name that would attract the mass audicences. Could have made it something original and spare themselves the unfavourable comparions.

Can we abolish Requiem and V5 and all the people responsible for it? Then kill the people responsible as well, for they deserve it and it will only benefit humanity.

>>725647006
Given that we live in the future, we get to compare VtMB2 sales ($ several million) with sales of non-Bloodlines VtM games and sales of recent non-VtM TCR games (approximately $0).

what happened to chin magazine, anywho?

>>725646441
Don't nigger vampires still have unique bloodlines or was that retconned too?
Anyway adapting VtM to woke inclusive world of caring about rest of the world and not being "eurocentric" is sort of awkward either way because old testament is sort of explicitly true by necessity of the background and it will have to give somewhere, you can't have chink or pajeet myth be true at the same time.
Though I think with newest ed reintroducing some VtR stuff like blood potency counting generations is a bit less strict thing and I think in VtR there wasn't a concept of generation at all and even vampires all being descended from biblical cain wasn't a set thing.

>>725647919
I've been subscribed to Pain & Suffering for decades now.

>>725647971
Requiem intentionally leaves the origin of vampires ambiguous because everything being tied to Caine in a post-iPhone/Twitter world is too constricting. The way it works is that vampires do get more potent over time, but eventually a vampire gets too potent and can't feed on humans, only supernaturals. Rather than deal with that bullshit, vampires willingly enter torpor to depower themselves but lose some of their memories in the process. So, the title of the splat comes from vampires trying to keep their memories with them via "requiem diaries". It doesn't always work, which is why vampiric history is so muddled in VtR. In VtM, one could trace their lineage all the way back to an Antediluvian and then to Caine. It's impossible to do so in VtR because no one knows how vampirism started.

>>725647006
VTMB is a name that everyone knows, even if nobody actually played it. It's one of those games you're supposed to like, even if it objectively has multiple glaring and crippling flaws. If you don't publicly praise it, the TRUE gamers will laugh at you and call you a FAKE gamer.

>>725630939 (OP)
Because a exec like >>725631071 said, told them to because they knew it would attract RPG Boomers to the game.

>>725648254
For me, it's Bitch Frenzy.

>>725648454
Incredibly dumb.

>>725649093
YOUR dumb.

>>725648723
What are those 10 steps?

>>725649171
I don't know all 10, but I know one of them is "watch that stanky ass snatch with some soap you stupid bitch".

>>725648723
I am so fucking annoyed that the WW2 mag is dated to 2012. It annoys me greatly and no one sees it or comments on it!!!

>>725649145
If I am Requiem, then yes, I am dumb. But I'm not.

>>725649474
This is how I know wesp isn't autistic. Changing the tutorial level isn't autism, it's just being petty. Creating a low-pixel .png edit to correct a date on a magazine is real autism.

>>725649093
Vampire the Requiem sort of is. All of new WoD was kinda a failure I suppose which is why oWoD went back to being just WoD and nWoD is now "Chronicles".
It didn't stay long through because 5th despite ostensibly being a continuation of original WoD setting reconned like half of it and moved the metaplot in retarded ways that might as well be a different setting anyway and reintroduced VtR elements.

>>725650120
oWoD can't exist outside of that perfect moment of time between freddie mercury dying of aids and hurricane katrina flushing the toilet

>>725640590
I've seen gamers constantly ask/beg for a roadmap if the dev doesn't have one and then it starts getting used against them like they don't have a plan or are abandoning the game so you pretty much have to make one these days.

>It's a Fabien Mission
AAAAAAAAA WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>725650902
They wouldn't have to make a roadmap if shitheel marketers didn't try to generate "hype" by announcing a product that doesn't exist years before it will ever be made or released. Imagine a game being announced 3 months before its release in this day and age and what a breath of fresh air that would be...

>>725651115
I like the ones in the past because it’s a fun little side quest. I hate the ones in modern day where it’s running back and forth across the map. It made me stop playing

>>725650323
>oWo
Stopped reading here.

>>725650323
Yeah it's very much a product of the 90s and doesn't really make sense outside of that context. Trying to keep it that way would turn it into a weird period piece. It was set in current year at the time, but now it's been over 30 years. It's almost as much a historical setting as dark ages by now, so I get why it got moved up to current year now.
I think the whole thing of supernaturals hanging out in dark alleyways and seedy nighclubs sort of doesn't make sense in the era of phone cameras in general. Though I suppose with AI we might be looping around back to photo evidence being worthless anyway.

>>725651393
Even in 2005 we were saying, "This looks like a shoop, I can tell by the pixels and shit." In my mind it's less about digital cameras and more about how the last 20 years have degenerated culturally and emotionally.

>>725652381
"sanitized sensitive theater kid slop" is a great tag line

>>725648454
kek they stole that from Requiem for a Dream? Didn't know that

Someone will read this and unironically state, "See? VtM has always been political!" without any awareness whatsoever.

>Lowest difficulty so you one shot everything during the shitty combat
>Don't bother with the side quest
>Only level up[ the skills for your clan
You can now enjoy the story of your walking sim/Visual Novel hybrid

>>725654184
Also, Buy it during a sale, because 60 bucks is not worth it. (or just sail the high seas or something)

>>725630939 (OP)
Paradox bought White Wolf specifically to release Bloodlines 2, to capitalize on a recognizable cult classic. Everything else they did with World of Darkness was just a side project. It didn't work very well for them.

I wonder what'll happen to the brand after they release everything they're legally obliged to release.

>>725654727
>I wonder what'll happen to the brand
Leased out
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/paradox-wants-to-get-out-of-the-rpg-business-if-bloodlines-2-god-willing-is-successful-bloodlines-3-will-be-done-by-someone-else/

>>725654727
What happens to the brand is determinant on whether or not someone comes to my trailer, knocks on my door, and asks for me to lead their next project. I am not being narcissistic, I am being honest.

>>725652656
I will never understand who those pages about trigger warnings and shit that infested all RPG rulebooks nowadays are for. Like, if you need player handbook to tell everyone at the table to not be creepy weirdos get better friends. I feel like it shouldn't be the game's responsibility to deal with your interpersonal problems. Ultimately it's on the GM and the players to play the game they want. Are people that retarded?

>>725654037
It's always a disingenuous argument, yeah.
People like politics in their games and media in general; it is the internal narrative mechanisms and interplays of power that makes a work interesting and can drive narratives or build worlds... but cunts will always want to push their modern-day current-year brand of personal 'politics' and force everything through that narrow lens.
Exhausting.

>>725655251
>Are people that retarded?
I was about to ask if you're that retarded to posit such a question in the first place, but then I remembered that I'd be that retarded if I did so.

>>725655519
I now realize it was a retarded question to ask because people are in fact that retarded.

>>725654805
After the initial V5 release and the whole Chechnya incident Paradox dismantled White Wolf and used other companies to write stuff for them. Recently they brought White Wolf back. Would it be easier to sell off as a separate company?

>>725655519
>>725655660
pssh retardeds...

>>725655719
I think that PDX figured that bringing back the brand would give some brand recognition to the game since people still remember white wolf as the "original creator" and people forgot about the gay chechen vampires incident by now while at the same time insulating the main company in case the game turned out shit, which by all accounts it seems they expected anyway.
It is also possible that they decide that the whole buying it out in the first place was a shit idea and look to selling them. Separating it out as another entity again would definitely make that easier.

>>725633202
>Nosferatu
>Trannyfaggot
I thought he was just a faggot?

can phyre decapitate a werewolf

>>725657389
I don't remember Nines killing the werewolf. Aren't those things like several tiers above the capability of vampires in power level?

>>725657503
V5 after-the-fact explained Nines doing the impossible by establishing that the woof he killed was a pup.

>>725657503
He found another observatory.

>>725658058
Why are werewolves so easily countered by doors anyway? I don't remember having any trouble with them in that werewolf game, just that usually elevators had like 20 enemies on them

>>725658197
Without a doggy door most canines are powerless.

>>725658257
So he forgot he can simply take his forma del eco terroristo any time he wants?

>>725654805
You shit is fucked when a CEO has to invoke God.

>>725658570
>be dev just chugging along to the best of your abilities (I know TCR was maliciously trying to remove all gameplay but let's just pretend)
>CEO says this game is such unbelievable garbage, they never want to touch an RPG again

>>725632718
The hardsuit labs game looked like complete shit. They had no direction because programmers were just making shit that they felt at the time. It was a mess.

The Chinese Room version is most certainly better, but that doesn't mean it's good. Its repetitive, bloated yet somehow anemic, everything outside the main quest is 1/10th assed, and the main quest is 1/3rd assed.

>>725659187
>programmers were just making shit that they felt at the time
Source?
>They had no direction
Source?
Since you're confidently stating internal development practices, you should easily be able to produce the article that exposed them.

>>725633634
Fabien is a Malk detective from the 1920s that sounds like a noir movie narration in his head. He "interviews" inanimate objects that sound straight from a noir mystery and they are all voiced by himself. He talks to stuff and learns vital clues from them, but he is really just talking with himself. Fabien is probably the best part of the game.

>>725630939 (OP)
Why didn't they just NOT make the game?

>>725659869
Was cheaper to let some pseuds who hate vidya make a shitty walking sim to try and squeeze some more blood from the stone, rather than refunding all the preorders

>>725659187
>>725659838
Oh. You're back.

>>725633438
Fabien is crazy since he keeps on talking to inanimate objects and he's the one voicing those thoughts btw. Gideon on the other hand idk, he doesn't strike me as a Malkavian at all with the way he acts, he's more like a very well adjusted Toreador?

>>725660970
That's not crazy, that's eccentric. Crazy is when you tell everyone David Bowie's album Lazarus sounds like he's going to die soon, having everyone get mad at you for saying something so wicked, and then having everyone become more furious at you when it happens.
>t. predicted Bowie's death because of Lazarus

>>725631007
>where you basically go through all the major story beats from Bloodlines 1
Lol fucking what.

>>725661251
It's just the shill desperately trying any angle for his "this is like VTMB1, buy it" strategy that is entirely built around the fact that there is a sarcophagus like in 1

>>725661369
A bold strategy after months of "actually Blloodlines 1 always sucked so you should just buy the sequel".

>>725660359
Back? This is my first time posting in a VtmB 2 thread? I beat the game 2 days ago. It isn't very good, but saying Hard suit labs had a better game that we just never got to see is cope on the level of "the director's original cut was waaaaay better".

>the bad guy is a Tremere
what a big surprise, its always those freaks

>Bloodlines 1 is a pro-Anarch game
>Bloodlines 2 is a pro-Camarilla game
How would you write Bloodlines 3 as a pro-Sabbat game? A Methuselah wakes up and only the Sabbat was prepared?

>>725661736
How was this 400 year old vampire ever supposed to know that it was a Tremere who forced a BLOOD MAGIC RITUAL on him? What a twist

The "talk with yourself posing as objects" is fucking stupid
Because he's not using a power, he's just talking in his head while manipulating said object
Anything he discovers is something a normal investigation would have given him
Explicitly what the fucking power he should be using DOESN'T DO
He's larping a power because the devs can't be arsed to animate a simple examination

>>725661781
>Bloodlines 1 is a pro-Anarch game
<<GANGREL GANG>>> SAYS GO FUCK YOURSELF, CUNTBOY

>>725661850
The dialogue is also shit
>>725661781
>A Methuselah wakes up
I'd side with that dude in 0.1 seconds

>>725661219
>>725660970
That was one of the few details I didn't mind. Crazy 'detective' pulls 'clues' from the madness network presumably not knowing he's doing so.
That is, only if the madness network even still exists in the abomination that is this V5 Requiem trash. Even if not, made it more interesting for my own playthrough seeing it through that lens.

>>725661219
Personally, I wish they had dialed up the crazy a little bit more, but the original bloodlines was notorious for creating the "fish malk" trope. Which most people that played the ttrpg got sick of quickly.

>he's still shilling after being fired
what the fuck

>>725661924
>becomes his first snack after 0.11 seconds
Based useful idiot.

>>725662228
Obviously you side with him at the end of the game where he has to begrudgingly acknowledge the lore-breaking strength of your vidya gaem protag

Phyre is an Elder and yet he's not flying over to the middle east to fight a meme war with the other Elders, whats up with that? even Lou thought she was getting called there

>>725662390
s-shut up, it's the torpor

Phyre is an Elder and yet he's functioning as a delivery boy instead of having his own plans and machinations, whats up with that?

>>725662390
The reports of "The Beckoning" were greatly exaggerated

>>725662676
s-shut up, it's the mark

>>725662028
Agreed, though I thought the VTMB version was slightly more subdued than the general sentiment. The PC isn't yelling maniacally, assaulting random people, or being particularly wacky outside of the TV/stop sign interactions.
Mostly they're just speaking in metaphor, riddles, elaborate portrayals, and shattered euphemisms. It makes them seem crazy, sure, but it's cogent and internally consistent.

>>725662337
>becomes his snack 0.11 seconds after the credits
welp

>release a sequel

>all it does is make people replay the original, better game for the 10th time

>>725663040
Also made some of us play it for the first time this year finally :D

>>725663040
>>725663094
fun bideo gaem is fun :D

>>725663147
Does the aura thing even do anything?

>is the reason why the Second Inquisition arrives to Seattle
the only good thing VTMB2 did is to paint the Gangrels as certified retards which they fucking deserve

>>725663310
Presence makes a fuckhuge difference since it can stun enemies, and the ones it doesn't stun it plummets their feats so they can't deal nearly as much damage as they normally would while also taking more damage from you in the process.

Ventrue with both Fortitude and Presence basically can't be killed even without any points going towards defense or stamina.

>>725661781
>How would you write Bloodlines 3 as a pro-Sabbat game?
It's hard because sabbat are generally just edge torture porn silly. Anyway, here's one I thought of just now.

Camilla goon who is a lapdog and sidelined is converted by the sabbat as an inside agent. Plan is to infiltrate, destabilise from the inside and get them to fight each other by doing x, y, z. Turns out the sabbat agent is actually a tzimische schizo who is also who has already taken down the sabbat, converted them into a fleshcrafted army and you unknowingly have done the same to the active camilla by helping him out. You find out that this is happening all around the world as the Tzimische are eradicting all clans to make sure they are the ones in control of everything. Only way to stop this is to find and release an antideluvian and stop them. You end up leading to the instigator of Ghenna and it causes such a fuck up that all other aspects of WOD get involved like werewolves, mages etc leading to a hard reset where V5 is finally abolished and everyone is happy. The end.

>>725661781
>Methuselah
How powerful are those? Could the normal humans do anything against him by bringing in the army?
I know the mages killed one of those dudes but I mean the average humans that aren't part of another WoD game

>>725663564
>Presence
I'm talking about auspex fren, it says in the screenshot that it reveals the auras of those around you

>>725663607
>How powerful are those?
Mary Sue tier.

>Could the normal humans do anything against him by bringing in the army?
No.

>I know the mages killed one
With help and was a fluke.

>>725663709
Yeah it makes it easier to sneak around since you can see where everyone on the map is. It also lets you know if you're approaching a mortal or supernatural so you know which weapon to use and conserve resources for more expensive weapons.

>>725663575
That doesn't sound very pro-Sabbat.
>>725663607
Methuselah are 4-5th generation and over 1000 years old. They're extremely scary, capable of taking down minor countries at least. They're not Antediluvians though and not really global threats.

>>725663575
>It's hard because sabbat are generally just edge torture porn silly.
They do have a genuine and understandable ideology though. FUCK the Elders, FUCK, the Antediluvians, FUCK Gehenna. Plus if the game is focused on the Sabbat you can introduce their internal factions and play as one of the saner ones.

>>725663996
don't they just wanna diablerize the elders so they can be the big dick elders themselves

>>725663996
they have some understandable ideologies but at the very same time they are fucking everybody else by openly telling everyone they are vamps, easy pickings for the Inquisition and who knows the mages or the garou might attack them for fucking the status quo

>>725663996
>They do have a genuine and understandable ideology
Being a controlled opposition that actually works for the elders too?

>>725664481
>>725664561
>>725664563
You just don't get it...

>>725665039
>you just don't get it, dad! *plays linkin park*
Great Sabbat enjoyer impersonation, Anon.

>>725665039
its ironic that you post that when the Lasombra are now Camarilla

>>725661781
>a pro-Sabbat game
you play Blood Brothers
you're stupid, strong and WHOLE

>>725665396
>Sabbat game where you and your fellow niggas in the ATL become shovelheads, don't realize it, and it's you four against the "cops" (Camarilla) while trying to force out Cuban spics (Anarchs)
>Beckett shows up and says "what is up, my negroes?"
FUND IT

>is the next big clan in your path
heh nothin personel fellow kindreds

can't believe how b2 ruined my man flynn...

>>725667539
what do you mean....?

What's the word that means "something that was made with genuine care and intention with little regard for what the lowest common denominator would think of the final product"?

>>725668982
"VTMB2"

>>725669835
If you're this desperate for attention then I would recommend seeking professional mental assistance.

>>725630939 (OP)
I enjoyed it
Game was fun.
Already played it twice.
Fabien was cool.
Phyre was awesome
Gameplay such as combat is somewhere around 7000 times better than the original game.

>>725670273
is this your first video game

>>725670772
Yes anon. Any other retarded things you'd like to say because I enjoyed the game and you can't just scream "liar ;-;" because I certainly didn't play 90+ hours to troll your worthless ass? Cry, bitch.

>>725670772
probably just let the program run in the background to inflate his playtime for shitposting purposes

>>725630939 (OP)
>~12 hour game
>~6 hours as Phyre
>~6 hours as Fabien
>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny
>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabella
>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other characters
What did they mean by this?

>>725670987
That's what Rich Evans does.
Well, actually, he just doesn't turn the game off so he doesn't have to waste time with loading screens since he doesn't know how to rename video files, but... same difference?

>>725670987
I get it, you're very angry I liked the game. Why this is a hard thing for you is utterly bizarre.
>You idled for 90 hours over 3+ weeks just to troll me! You also took 30+ screenshots to troll me
I suggest therapy. You've got NPD, malk-bro.

>>725670987
Your next line will be "You used an achievement unlocker"

>>725671117
wrong dude faggot

>>725671117
no, seriously, what did you do during those 90 hours? there is absolutely NOTHING to do in this game

>>725671229
>falling into the trap of proving it

>>725657389
Post that image to my face, not online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuM-YgLVaa8

>>725671328
The story is a solid 30+ hours.

>>725671469
And I care...why? You're mad I liked the game and am not circle jerking. But it's ok anon, I'll leave you to the circle jerking since I really don't care about your anger that not everyone is an NPC with your opinions. Cry.

>>725639592
>There's a decent chance the Valentine's Day update will revamp the clan contact stuff and turn them into fleshed out romance paths.
Who fucking cares? Look at the retarded romance lineup they have. No Lou, no Verona, Safia always dies, Ryong always dies. There are ZERO attractive women to fuck. What are your choices? A black girlboss that explicitly tops you while you bottom? That's so fucking disgusting and retarded. A 90-year old looking wrinkled granny? Just a fucking joke option to clown on straight men. A flatchested nonbinary theythem? Gay shit! Fuck you and fuck TCR. Who gives a shit if they "flesh out" this fucking garbage?

>>725671630
>The story is a solid 30+ hours.
maybe the first time (and even then)
seriously
what did you do during your second playthrough?

>>725671630
I've done one playthrough. Does the story have significant differences with different choices or is it just the epilogue is different?

>>725672008
Mainly just a different epilogue and maybe some unique clan lines. Part of the reason I played it again was to mod it and just make myself over powered to actually give the uber power elder you're supposed to be, because the game never really fulfills that even by the end.

>>725671907
Replay the game. I don't know what you want, anon. Congrats you speed run and spacebar everything? I dunno.

>>725672776
:)

you did side with jeanette right

>>725676213
It doesn't really matter, as Malkavians their condition can't be fixed and would eventually reassert itself. The best way is coexistence which allows them to work together for some time until reset.

the one that irks me about the story is that Lou will just use dominate on you if you decide to not play her games, its so fucking bullshit that no one says a word that oh shit that nigga just dominated me to force me into doing this! but then again so did Lacroix, maybe I just hate V*ntrue's

>>725676878
You're supposed to be a powerful elder btw

>*makes ear shattering recording sound*
>h-hey prince, can you say out loud that you killed my sire? thanks
what did Fabian mean by this

>>725677640
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE THAT THEY'RE KILLING RIVALS
THE PRINCE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS

>>725678146
Ummm it's Current Year, vampire society is more progressive now. Look at Tolly.

>>725678146
For one, she killed her sire(big no no) who was also the prince(even bigger no no) and then killed her co-prince(not super great). The main reason to hide it is so people don't stop trusting you. If your underlings think that at any time you might have them killed off for little to no reason, everyone will team up against you.

>>725631123
I

>>725676213
>Money 1.5
BIGGER

V5 was a mistake

>>725678993
That's why the casus belli was a thing. And why the modern elite don't use assassins as much as you would expect.

>>725678146
The Traditions man
Thou art forbidden to destroy another of thy kind

>>725678993
Just say that a random fledgling saw Lou's sister leaving the dead Malkavian primogen's mansion

>>725677114
Tremere elder getting dominated by a barely elder ventrue :DDDD

>>725679247
LOL casus belli in this day and age, nothing ever fucking happens. People are willing to suffer the most extreme indignities without lifting a finger.
>"L... let's see them try that in the suburbs!"
>"I... if they piss off truckers they'll stop delivering to blue states!"
>"Okay you can get away with stealing this election... but you can't steal the next one!"
LMAO

>>725630939 (OP)
It would have been shit anyway but yeah it shouldn't have been called Bloodlines 2.

>>725630939 (OP)
This game was so bad, especially near the end. You get like 4 choices to make throughout the entire game which don't mean shit

>>725679435
That only works because of the specific circumstances.
1)Nines was an Anarch who would never show up to court to defend himself and even if he did no one would trust an alibi from his anarch friends
2)The fledgling was seem as a particularly reliable source because Nines very publicly save his/her life and as such would have far less incentive to lie about Nines
Doesn't work with Lou's situation.

>>725680141
The only thing you need to know is that you MUST do everything the old black woman tells you. Sit down and listen. Be humble.

>>725631007
>RPG
It's not an RPG.

>>725631318
Lmaoo

>>725631727
GET THE TABLE

>>725648454
Wow that sucks.

>>725678146
Traditions that Camarilla follows dictate that you shouldn't kill Kindred without good reason and only Elders can call blood hunt, only reason to openly kill other vampire is war with other sects like sabbat and anarchs. Camarilla have stric rules, Anarchs are trying to follow some moral compass™ and sabbat is murderhobo the sect, where even diableree is allowed(big no no among other kindred). This is why vamps mostly scheme to kill someone and then frame their other rival or hunters for death, there are rules and you don't want direct intervention from Camarilla, it never ends well.
>>725680215
Fledgling was Prince's personal protege and employee. While La'Croix was sending you to suicide mission to get rid off you, he also make you seem as his personal protegee, acting de facto as your adoptive sire. He might not like you and wish you died at warehouse or Nines didn't interrupted you in first place. Also "Nines" being there was clever setup by Prince, you as young naive fledgling who have no reasons to lie was supposed to see "Nines" in mansion with murdered primogen, and report it to La'Corix, who then would "consider" what to do, when blood hunt on nines was plan from the start.

I had a weird dream a few days ago where Goofy got sired by a Malkavian and also was a WW2 veteran for some reason

Where Gangrel

>>725670273
You didn’t, it’s a shit game that flopped for a reason and all you can do is cry and shit your pants that you wasted all this time shilling it.

>>725670273
>>725670917
>>725671117
I actually think you should be killed because you enjoyed this piece of fucking shit game. Genuinely, I believe it should be legal to murder you.

>>725684130
hey hey, don't be mean to the handicapped

>>725676473
i can fix her. genetics mean nothing compared to my dick

>>725630939 (OP)
in the thumbnail I thought it was the star wars girl

>>725631007
>you basically go through all the major story beats from Bloodlines 1, and at the end of the game you open the box and discover what it's inside
Nigger absolutely nothing you wrote is remotely true

>>725630939 (OP)
I don't understand why they changed original cover? It was much better with crazy malk, it looked less generic.
In current day and age I would even assume it's ai generated placeholder.

>>725686864
The crazy malk doesn't exist in the game anymore

>>725661850
>Anything he discovers is something a normal investigation would have given him
That's nonsense. How the fuck would a "normal investigation" tell him what was inside the box? Or the history of a knife?

>>725661251
Bloodlines 2 is designed to repeat the story structure of 1. It's why you have the sabbat apartments, why you have the nightclub, why you have to go downtown to meet the prince, and stuff like that. It's very purposefully imitative.

>>725683818
>You didn't
lmao

>>725684130
Gonna cry, bitch? Aww what is baby gonna do?
LMAO pussy

>>725630939 (OP)
VTM: Garbage is a more accurate name.

>>725682305
I don't believe he planned it quite that far ahead.

>>725634009
Call trannies dickless clown assfaggot cemetery feed and I will deign reading your post. Prove you aren't one of them

Just started playing
>See that there are gorillion of abilities available
>you can only have 4 equipped at a time
>you need to feed to recharge them
who thought this was ok

>>725691927
VTM: Dropkick

>>725689893
They could just reuse assets, just make him fit the narrative, he was much better posterboy than what we got currently.
Nosferatu guy was reused hard with new va and new faggy personality.

theres pretty gods mods for the game, I hope they can maybe it even better

https://youtu.be/lPsQ6gZH-6s

they won

>>725692039
He did.
Ming Qiao who is shapeshifter posed as Nines because she made a deal with La'Croix, then La'Croix send YOU to find out why Malkavian primogen isn't answering his phone. You were supposed to see "Nines" there, it was all a setup to call blood hunt on Nines and weaken anarchs.Well if you died at warehouse then he would send another trusted kindred to witness "Nines" leaving mansion. LA was Anarch stronghold with strong kuei jin presence, Camarilla gaining foothold in city after long struggle and newly arrived Sabbat. Everybody want to get rid of everybody, so La'Croix is making deal with chinks to weaken anarchs and when Xiao doublecross him, he is allying with Anarchs against chinks.

>>725692573
The limit of 4 does suck but you can swap between any of the ones you have unlocked at any time, even mid-combat, and feeding is really fucking easy to do. Also any of the final abilities at the top of the tree can be active at the same time, no need to swap between them. Combat really quickly breaks down into spamming your abilities and feeding mid-combat to constantly refresh them. Fun, but very shallow.

>>725692804
Only good thing about V5 is that second inquisition is competent, maybe even too competent. It also shows why masquerade is vital for kindred, like Tremere got drone striked and London was completly purged of vampires.
Anything else about V5 sucks.

>>725693449
I like that aspect even if some people think it's too much, at least it helps emphasize the feelings of isolation and personal horror in the setting.

>>725693232
I was going to say maybe I should give LaCroix a bit more credit but then as you say he was allying with the fish chinks so he's still an idiot.
Some poor elder back on the east coast definitely would have got it in the neck for recommending that frenchie for the job.

>>725630939 (OP)
>Seattle
Why did they set this game in my hometown? Is this going to encourage yet more faggots to migrate here?

>punch some person
>Gaybien makes a passive agressive remark
shut the fuck up you fucking bitch

>>725690810
>How the fuck would a "normal investigation" tell him what was inside the box?
NTA but lol

>>725631071
They weren't forced to do anything. They were hired to finish this action slop from the assets left behind by HSL. TCR themselves offered to do this job. It's ridiculous to claim that they were forced to use the name.

>>725694043
To be fair, it was good move on his part, he would weaken the anarchs, his main threat and then use anarchs in war against chinks, weakening them even more, only to mog anarchs later and fully claim LA for Camarilla. Only problem is that sacrophagus happened(thanks Jack and Cabbie) and well you happened. This threw wrench into his plans.
Remember that after you cleared Nines name and are tasked to bring him back, "someone" followed you to werewolf territory and set fire to park making wolves go feral, it was intended to finish you and nines both at same time and I bet LaCorix was behind it, then once Nines was oficially dead you get blood hunt on your head for killing Nines. Without Nines anarchs would be way easier to manipulate into suicidal war against kuei jin.

>>725693449
Vampires have crippling weaknesses and most aren't that much in a fight. Like start your vampire extermination campaign in June and they barely even have time to get out.
That bit is particularly funny, I'm not sure if the setting ever actually acknowledges it. There's a reason all VtM campaigns ever start n November.

>>725649474
>>725649670
wasn't that in the original? i thought that was just a joke about the apocalypse being meant to happen in 2012, so it's a joke about a magazine from the apocalyptic future appearing in 2004 and spoiling what's gonna happen

>>725695143
Yes but upper echelons especially of camarilla consist of elders who have a lot of influence over normal organisations like police and local goverment, have their own army of ghouls and themselves are strong as fuck with centuries of expirience and high level disciplines.
Torching some fledgling or ancilla living in slums is easy, getting rid of supernatural organised crime that is deeply integrated into goverment isn't easy. Imagine mexican cartells but almost no one knows that cartell exist and they have supernatural powers like brainwashing or superhuman speed and strenght. Sun isn't that big of a deal if you can't even find said elder.

>>725695787
It really is the mental disciplines and blood bonds that are the true strengths of vampires. It really makes it easier to run a secret criminal cabal when people are incapable of betraying it or divulging any secrets and they genuinely believe they are doing a good thing.

>>725631794
>Calls himself Gangrel
>Never once uses Protean in the ring
Wtf this is bullshit

I'm playing it right now, and I am enjoying it, but they need to fix some problems. The game is super inconsistent about whether you can sneak through locked doors. Sometimes it lets you, sometimes it says that enemies are nearby. I think the parry mechanic is way too fiddly. I think kicking should be a dedicated button. I think that you should be allowed to store picked up items in a slot for later. I think that you should be able to selectively fire guns instead of mag dumping.

>>725695143
It's a balancing act, at the same time vampires have mental disciplines that work on any human without even rolling and you can have ghouls which are a personal super loyal army of bodyguards and errand runners, if you don't fuck around as a vampire, you are probably going to be fine, hence the masquerade.

>>725699481
>I think the parry mechanic is way too fiddly
it doesn't have a purpose anyway, nobody can hit you if you dash sideways while pressing buttons
it's there if you want to spice things up, when you inevitably get bored by the fact no ennemy ever challenge you

>>725657503
The average "fresh" werewolf is an AYRAN VRIL FVELLED HYPERBOREAN supersoldier straight out of the box; they're literally born to be the Earth's "immune system" and purpose built for war (with all the problems that causes - when you're a hammer everything becomes a nail, even your specialised allies). A "brand new" werewolf would probably massacre an entire pack of high generation vampires with barely a rapidly healing wound, but Vampires in the lower generations can certainly wreck them (though still not simply as raw combat focused in a one on one)

5th generations and above probably outrank the "average" Elder Garou, and 4th generations are afaik ridiculously powerful, and especially 3rd generations are literally "plot device"; whereas Garou themselves don't seem to have an equivalent that actually resides in "realspace" (though it's arguably if any of the Antediluvians actually exist on Earth properly, and haven't fucked off to the [Abyss, the Underworld, become a magic internet, or a pillar of salt, or Carpathia itself/the NY Sewers etc]

>>725699481
>but they need to fix some problems
they need to fix a LOT of problems

>>725695486
It is in the original, but within the setting, Gehenna happens in 2005. Troika knew that. What makes VTMB so compelling of a story in a meta sense is that the Ankaran Sarcophagus does lead to an explosive ending involving the Camarilla, the Anarchs, and the Kuei-jin, but not the end of the world everyone was expecting. It tastefully pulls the rug out from under everyone if the player understands the greater lore of World of Darkness.

>The teams over at TCR and Paradox have been hard at work ironing out bugs and creating more content, and while we continue to work on that, we’re happy to share today’s patch that fixes the “Save on Exit to Main Menu or Quit Game” issue!
>We’re also thrilled to announce the upcoming Roadmap of what we’ve got planned for the game. As you can see, there’s no slowing us down; we have listened to the feedback you’ve been kind enough to share with us and are building many of those improvements into the following patch updates.
>Soon we’ll update the game with Patch 1.0.5, which will include the requested FOV slider and Motion Blur Toggle, as well as Improved Progress Saving.
>Then, around the holiday, we’ll give you another Update, this one Christmas-themed! Make Phyre your own little Santa’s helper, or perhaps not so helpful helper. This update will also include the “Custom Difficulty” mode, which will consist of settings like “Starting Health,” “Masquerade Sensitivity,” “Enemy Awareness,” and an option to choose between playing only the Phyre quests or only the Fabien quests. The “Custom Difficulty” mode will be unlocked when you have completed the game, so think of it as our version of New Game+.
>We’ll share more details and specifics about these features as we approach their release.
It seems to me that they have a bunch of stuff in the works, but they're not willing to commit to it in case plans change. For example, they said a month ago they were looking at adding beards to the game. I bet that'll get rolled into the Christmas update. (Santa has a beard and all that.)

I think that Valentine's Day (the update that they have no details for) is going to be the big post-release update with the most sweeping changes.

>>725701626
tldr

>>725701626
Imagine billing basic shit like an FOV slider and a motion blur toggle as exciting upcoming features. What a fucking joke

>>725702049
Those are the ones they're public about. They'll have other features they've been working on included as well.

>NPCs are not holding the items they are meant to be using eg cigarettes, phones etc
Surprised it took them this long to fix that because it was something people immediately noticed pre-release.

>>725701626
>Improved Progress Saving
you mean having a basic fucking saving system at all?
lmao, we don't hate TCR enough

>>725630939 (OP)
Worth a pirate? I enjoyed the first ok enough.

>>725706965
you'd enjoy it more on youtube

>>725695143
The setting would make a lot more sense if sunlight just heavily nerfed vampires instead of outright killing them. In Dracula, the vampires could walk around in daylight, but it made them sleepy and they couldn't use their powers.

>>725670273
jesus christ anon

>>725670273
Blow your brains out shill.

>>725668982
auteur

>>725668982
soul

Just finished it a few hours ago. Aggressively mediocre. Turned the difficulty from hard to journalist on the final boss because I was done with the game and the shitty combat. I particularly liked how you are locked onto the "bad" ending from picking the logical option on an incredibly retarded choice. Best ending though, everyone being massacred at least puts some satisfaction in this bullshit.

Worst kind of mediocre game, where you see how it could have been good. Don't get me wrong, it would have never lived up to the original but in the hands of competent devs it could have been a 7/10. I guess from Paradox's point of view it is a win that they managed to release a functioning product but as a consumer it's just meh. If it had been a barely functional piece of shit at least I would have gotten some laughs out of it. Instead I got this wet fart with no staying power. Came and went with a whimper. If it wasn't for the ragebaiting nobody would talk about it here anymore. Who knows, maybe it is for the best. Let this clusterfuck be forgotten.

>>725706965
Sure. I mean, what do you have to lose with a pirate? Some space you can just delete later?

I had a mixed experience but ultimately enjoyed my time. I wouldn't be like me and pick Lasombra first go though.

>>725694931
The concept of Caine personally tweaking with a Fledgling to screw over the jester prince...

>>725630939 (OP)
Paradox would either lose the trademark or get grilled by shareholders for it

>>725631123
>wouldn't be living in the shadows of Bloodlines 1
It would at least preserve the IP's quality at the cost of maybe selling less that it could have sold

>>725709321
It surpasses the original, whivh is a faaaar worse game to actually play.

>>725711737
Kill yourself, Ranjeep.

>>725700121
Nines was just rule of cooled but Werewolves have enough weaknesses in terms of being kind of retarded in Crinos for Nines to be able to win that. If he just had access to Silver it wouldn't be impossible for Nines to win, but the devs probably just wanted to make him look cool and make the Anarch ending more attractive

>>725711737
>faaaar
Saaaar*

>>725670273
devposting xd?

I don't known that it surpasses the first game, but it has overshadowed it.

>>725712210
>but it has overshadowed it
You don't know what that word means.

You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic. I know jannies do it for free, but now shills do, too?

>>725712210
in the same way that shitting on a painting makes you unable to see the image as clearly, sure

>make a joke
>two decades later everyone loses their goddamn minds over it

>>725712285
It means that the first game may as well not exist to the general audience.

>>725713690
Kills me how shitposters also think Damsel was an unironic endorsement of communism. Both the woke and anti-woke crowd think this and they're just all so fucking retarded and annoying.

>>725690810
>"normal investigation"
A random policeman would have opened the box and found exactly what he deduced, that's a normal investigation
In the box cinematic he uses every power at his disposal, so telepathy (he literally discussed with the protag in the box), premonition (that he also uses for the knife), heightened senses (I see scratch marks) and the deduction power every novel detectives have (the scratch marks means the box comes from a boat)
Not spirit's touch, else he would have learned things on the person WHO DID IT (ouuuh, the person who did it is in love with a fat man).
Every single time, the spirit's touch power is him discussing with himself the clues he gets from his other auspex powers.
Even when he gets informations that could come from the power (the guilt), they are easy conjectures that a rookie detective could make (why, yes, a knife that is HIDDEN instead of being THROWN OUT with the body of the priest, that is interesting)
In short, haha funny voices

>>725715064
a tankie wouldn't be a tankie if they weren't retarded

>>725713690
thank god we corrected the record

>>725715730
It's funny to me how there's already a detective who narrates his own investigation, a Nossie named Gianni Dangelo, but because of one stupid meme, no passion for the setting, and a lack of reading (because who has time to read splatbooks), we now have Fabian.

>>725717245
the worst thing about this is that it means shitposters on the internet are influencing game design instead of being ignored

>>725717294
Tragic

>>725717351
I'm more hurt because my shitposting isn't strong enough to influence game design...

>>725713690
The thing is this wasn’t even a joke, before only women with certain hormone issues would be prescribed estrogen and so that was more or less just something you would see on the bottle as a warning. But we live in clown world so of course that is no longer the case.

I want to replay VTMB, should I play as a Tremere or a Ventrue this time?

>>725719863
Ventrue is incredibly limiting for me unless I take a history that changes my starting stats. I almost invariably put points into firearms, research, and haggling and let Dominate carry me in conversations. If you haven't done that with a Ventrue, then give that a shot.

Tremere play pretty similarly to Ventrue in that aspect, but seem to do better with melee weapons for me because Thaumaturgy and Dominate handle ranged combat. Unless, of course, I want to put points into Auspex instead of Dominate and go full-on combat.

tl;dr flip a coin since Ventrue and Tremere are pretty similar, but Ventrue is more defensive

>>725715064
>Kills me how shitposters also think Damsel was an unironic endorsement of communism
damsel wasn't but the whole anarch thing was ansoc propaganda by the White Wolf

>>725701626
>an option to choose between playing only the Phyre quests or only the Fabien quests
xD

>>725638393
sorry anon but jeet shills aren't payed enough to actually afford a machine to run the unoptimized slop they peddle, let alone buy those games.

>>725721068
Is there a mod yet to silence fagbien?

>>725721513
9 millimeter to the head.

>>725719863
Tremere if you're playing the Plus patch. The latest version gives them the full 5 ranks of Dominate dialogue so there's really no reason to play Ventrue anymore unless you really want to experience the Fortitude 5 Presence 5 tankiness.

>>725719863
Tremere because they are the most based clan

>>725723707
Shitlines flopped

>>725723734
I don't disagree

>>725630939 (OP)
Gayest fucken monkey paw I’ve ever seen. Gayer than AIDS.

>>725717245
>entirely his own business
Yet many drugs are illegal.

>>725723657
>>725723707

In hindsight, it was kind of obvious this game has no RPG mechanics when it started with a difficulty selection

>>725729016
It has two difficulty selections, technically. The main one, and the clan choice tells you how each clan, because they're so different to play, have difficulty levels of their own.

>>725729352
I have no idea how they calculated the mastery/difficulty for the clans because Tremere is normal but you get fucked up early game with them because your powers are shit until you get your passive and late game blood dagger one.

>>725729352
The clan difficulty labels are totally off. It lists Lasombra and Banu Haqim as the hard clans because they are stealth-focused but in practice they completely trivialize everything right from the start. You can effortlessly open every encounter with a stealth feed kill and with the clan passives active after feeding you can proceed to stealth kill everything else around you easily. Hell, Lasombra's first ability disables multiple enemies at once letting you instant kill/feed anyone tagged by it. Meanwhile Tremere is listed as normal difficulty but gets the most useless passive in the game and skills that have huge blood costs and are basically just a single combo payoff that doesn't set you up for any further feeds to refuel.

>>725701626
>Make Phyre your own little Santa’s helper
what the fuck?

>>725729495
I believe it's partially based on things like their attack speed and range. Some of the clans have longer reach with their melee attacks. Other have slower wind-up. Lasombra is worse/more difficult at fighting hand to hand because each light melee attack has a weird cadence to it.

>>725729617
He's already used to fetch quests

>>725729628
The part I don't understand is why they obfuscate it. Why not SHOW the player the speed/strength/power/whatever stats when they're deciding on which clan to go with?

>>725729692
>showing you stats
EW EW EW EW EW
BEGONE, DEMON
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS, ONE OF THOSE "VIDEO GAME" THINGS? IT'S AN INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE

>>725726030
Who the fuck is this

>>725729763
your prom date you ugly sack of shit

>>725729763
Sidequest guy in VTMB1. Play it!

>>725729628
>Some of the clans have longer reach with their melee attacks
This is literally the first I'm hearing of this. Why isn't this knowledge shown in game

>>725729960
The fun thing is that I played Tremere (certainly not gonna play this shit again to check if anon is right) and I simply thought the attack is bugged or something cause it kept hitting like 1 meter in front of me

>>725694745
>TCR themselves offered to do this job.
I'm fairly sure Sumo, their publisher, signed them up. TCR bought their independence back during BL2 development so things might not be exactly peachy there.

>>725730076
>IT'S TIME TO MAKE AN ACTUAL VIDEO GAME

>>725724129
This guy know what's up.

>>725729960
>Why isn't this knowledge shown in game
There's a shitload of things the game just, for whatever reason, never tells you.

>>725732696
Kinda nutty how VTMB has a VIDEO GAME MANUAL that explains everything in the game from a mechanical standpoint that the player can always refer to if they get confused about how something works. It even explains how unarmed, melee, ranged combat, and disciplines work and which clan gets what discipline.

>>725631007
Where is there a game called "Bloodlines 1"? Never heard of it.
Did you mean VTM: Bloodlines, which does not and will never have a "1" in its title?

>>725719863
ventrue aura farmer

>>725723657
>Tremere if you're playing the Plus patch. The latest version gives them the full 5 ranks of Dominate dialogue so there's really no reason to play Ventrue anymore
wesp pls stop

>>725734151
You could just NOT download the plus patch.

>>725734220
I would like it if there was a version that only had the restored content without all the extra custom stuff.

>>725734824
Yeah... We truly live in a society...

>>725735031
>we are populating it again
What the fuck did he mean by this

>>725733218
>aura farmer
>no dots in presence

>>725735581
>ventrue doesn't understand inner-city slang
>thats_the_joke.jpg

>>725735549
gay sex

>>725735549
You see, when a mommy hunter and a daddy hunter love each other very much...

>>725735613
I miss when Gangrel were cool.

>>725735794
Just play WtA

>>725735829
Give me a good woof game and maybe I will.

>>725735794
>>725738419
yiff in hell

>>725738419
Does it count as a good game if I personally like Earthblood and no one else in the entire world does?

>>725738509
I'm not a furry, I just want to turn into a quarter-ton muscle machine rippin' and tearin' shit apart because Uncle Ted saw the light.

>>725735031
the fuck is a monestary? some old english variant or typo?

>>725735031
what's up with his lip? looks odd when he's talking and like his mouth isn't really opening either, as if he's talking through clenched teeth the entire time.

>>725633581
It seems like anti-shill anon is still at it

>>725739170
Probably what it looks like when they don't clean up the facial animations?

>>725631408
But there's been a passel of successful VtM games over the last decade.

>>725738795
>>725739170
>>725739237
The "monestary" is leftover content in the Unofficial Patch that wesp put into UP+. You can play as a hunter in the UP+ and that's your starting area. The UP is full of shit like that. Even the alternate tutorial area that wesp made is still present in his UP because he didn't bother really cleaning it up since he's obsessed with tweaking UP+.

>>725739171
You shit game flopped and all you can do is cry about it.

>>725693449
I didn't expect them to make John Poindexter the hero who saves humanity, that's for sure.

>>725739815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQq12lDl0Kk

>>725631123
He's augmented!

>>725631123
>"from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh... it DISGUSTED me."

>>725738524
That's just a reskinned X-Men Origins Wolverine game

>>725742779
So the answer is yes it is a good game

>>725723734
>ooga booga.

>>725632507
>they were going to be the same
>no don't believe all the differences you can see cause they wouldn't have shipped that because I said so
massive cope

>>725646286
still would

>>725732978
Can you really see zoomies reading an old-school manual, anon?

>>725747739
I'm reading it right now just because I think game manuals are interesting/nostalgic.
Zoomers are creatures.

>>725747739
>>725749865
This is perfect bathroom reading...

>>725749865
My favourite manual is the one for Arcanum.
It was an inch thick and went into detail on science vs. magic, and biology and history of the races.
Same devs.

Say what you want about VTM: Redemption but it has zero level transitions. You use Walk The Abyss to teleport from a level to haven in a second. Why can't we use this ancient technology in 2025?

>>725735031
that faggot really should call it a mod at this point

>>725751152
Just as there are 2 billion people crammed into India, so too are there 2 billion triangles being rendered in real time every second in modern AAA games.

>>725744624
VTMB2 doesn't have this TECHNOLOGY

>>725648454
No one cared for VTR, what about v5?

>>725752138
V5 is strongly disliked for numerous reasons it's beyond the scope of an imageboard.

Dan Pinchbeck said.
>There was one of the producers. then at Paradox, I'm still friends with this now with another publisher. We used to sit there and go and have these planning sessions of how do we get them to not call it Bloodlines 2. That feels like the most important thing we do here is to come at this and say this isn't Bloodlines 2. You can't make Bloodlines 2. There's not enough time. There's not enough money. And Bloodlines 1 came out at a really interesting period in game development when it was the same time as games like Stalker and Shenmue when you could ship a really ambitious game. that was full of bugs and holes, was totally flawed, but the ambition was really exciting. A lot of those games, they're real cult games now, but they really weren't very good when you actually broke them apart and analyzed them. Great ideas, wonderful ideas, players loved them. You couldn't get away with it now. So trying to recreate that magic in a different environment felt wrongheaded. like no one would be happy. You wouldn't make people who love Bloodlines 1 happy and you wouldn't make people who didn't know about Bloodlines 1 happy because they'd never get Bloodlines 2 and they'd always get a flawed game that was built too fast and with not enough money.

>>725753351
>So we kind of approached it from that point of view really of going well what can we do with the time and the money that's available and at that point what actually pitched weirdly was kind of which you'll probably make I mean the psychic scream of Bloodlines 1 players from across the net but I came in and went "We can't make Bloodlines 2, we can't make Skyrim, but we can make Dishonored." And if we of like look at something which is not an RPG and is not fully open world, but is really tightly focused and true to the mythos, and it's a good ride, we get a Bloodlines title out in the world, and then we'd started talking about saying, then what would the next big Bloodlines game look like after that, if that happened? And you go, yay. And then everything just goes like that. And everyone feeds in, yes, but this, yes, but this, but yes, but this, players, this and the community, this and that. And then like every other game, just becomes, it becomes sort of kind of untangling an anaconda fuckball of competing priorities and what everybody wants and things like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyWDyNLAo1E

>>725753351
>>725753434
Everything in the greentext is correct but I'm gonna need a timestamp.

>>725753434
>but we can make Dishonored
Evidently, you can't

>>725754286
Without the full context it sounds like Dishonored was the direction he wanted to take the game, but his superiors kept pushing the focus in other directions which prevented such a game from developing.

No wonder the shill quickly pivoted off of the "it's just like Dishonored" bit once streamer footage was released.

>These filenames
Alright anti shill anon I believe you now
I apologize for doubting you

>Imagine fucking shilling a game on /v/
Jesus what a dark life

>>725744624
bet she's really glad that thing didn't have tentacles or something....

>>725738524
It's a good low budget action game, like the type of game that came out all the time 15 years ago and many of us would have enjoyed as a rental.

>>725753351
WE anons LOVE Dan Pinchbeck so much

>>725754587
>but his superiors kept pushing the focus in other directions
That I can believe is true, because it's true everywhere
Suits are such a plague holy shit

>>725754587
>>725755989
If suits weren't right all the time then how come they have all the money you retards

>>725755989
Without suits nothing ever gets done.

>>725744624
>>725755103
What was she again? Eastern Mage?

>>725756127
>>725756132
Activision shills GTFO

>>725756221
Japanese schoolgirl-turned-hunter after a wereshark killed her sensei. She uses her sensei's sword as a weapon of vengeance against hengeyokai (Japanese Fera).

>>725744624
>fledgeling, did i ever tell you about that time I fought side by side with a Japanese anime schoolgirl
>she had this super short skirt with the gravity value set to half the default
>the slightest movement and she would give everyone full view of her white cotton panties
>it was like a constant hentai, fledgeling
>and she was a good friend

>>725651393
>I think the whole thing of supernaturals hanging out in dark alleyways and seedy nighclubs sort of doesn't make sense in the era of phone cameras in general
I hate that this is literally the only plot point in modern WoD. Every piece of vtm media is somehow tied to the Masquerade being obsolete.

>>725756923
>young nip with hard nips
MUH

>>725757264
NORA

>>725757360
hey wait no you can't do this to me i'm uncircumcised

>>725756923
Who was the weeb on staff

>>725757509
LaCroix is taking his payment.

>>725651393
>>725757141
The Technocracy released AI technology to the public so now any evidence of the supernatural is dismissed as fakes.

>>725757594
It was the early 2000s, everyone was a weeb.

>>725758045
Truly, better times.

>>725759153
Myspace: 2003
Digg: 2004
Reddit: 2005
Twitter: 2006
iPhone: 2007
9GAG: 2008
etc.