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>>725702661 (OP)
>cold blood
All 3 Aquarium kills were in self-defense.
The dog was just a dog so shikata ga nai, but neither Owen nor Mel had to die.

>>725702661 (OP)
I hate how much people act like Abby is the bad guy.
>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
>gets her revenge and ONLY kills the person who hurt her and her people
>spares Ellie, and Tommy when she could've murdered them in cold blood but doesn't because Tommy and Ellie did nothing to her
>Ellie KNOWS what Joel did based on the flashbacks we see later on in the game
>Tommy KNOWS what Joel did because he already knows that Ellie and Joel have beef, aren't talking, etc
>knowing this Ellie STILL goes to get revenge even though she know Joel was in the wrong
>kills a bunch of Abby's friends one by one, even a pregnant woman
>even after ALL OF THIS Abby STILLS spares Ellie
>even spares pregnant Dina after Ellie killed her pregnant friend
>knowing all of this, Tommy still tries and convinces Ellie to go after Abby
>Ellie after knowing all of this, STILL goes after Abby
I'll never understand Elliefags. Abby ONLY hurt the person who hurt her AND showed mercy twice and somehow she's still looked at as the villain when she's shown the most growth and maturity out of every character in the 2nd game. Abby should've fucking dome'd Ellie right then and there and split Dina's fucking gut open like a Thanksgiving turkey.

>>725704641
The problem lays elsewhere.
It's about how the gameplay from Ellie's perspective tries to paint har as the one in the wrong when then tries to whitewash Abby as much as possible by direct comparisons of their actions.

>>725704641
>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
>for no reason
He was about to kill Ellie you dumb fag

>>725702661 (OP)
She didnt know that she was pregnant though you leftie filth

>>725707785
I mean don't get me wrong the game has tons of issues, especially with the writing and story but Elliefags are annoying as fuck.
>>725707704
>He was about to kill Ellie
>Joel has him and the rest of the nurses at gun point
>can easily knock him and the rest of the nurses out as they aren't fighters
>nah let's gun everybody down in cold blood
>fuck it let's smoke Marlene while we're at it
Yeah you're fucking retarded.

I would do anything for a VIRGIN Ellie gf. I wish girls were like her in real life and did their hair all cute and were skinny and had cool hobbies and dressed like boys, but instead they're all worthless treacherous traitorous whores who hate nice guys like me.

>>725707943
>>nah let's gun everybody down in cold blood
Optional BTW
>>fuck it let's smoke Marlene while we're at it
She was going to kill him

>>725707943
>fuck it let's smoke Marlene while we're at it
you know exactly why he did that and you'd do that too in his place.
this was the smart decision unlike the shitshow in tlou2

Doesnt Abby murder a bunch of her own people to save some bald tranny

>>725708040
>optional btw
Needlessly killing Abby's dad was also optional but Joel chose to do it anyway. Dude was a faggot ass scientist not the fucking Juggernaut
>she was going to kill him
Except we don't know that. But even then it still doesn't excuse gunning down her father in cold blood.
>>725708228
Nah I wouldn't have. I don't fault Joel for taking Ellie away from the place I fault him for how he did...the same way I don't fault Cuckmann for killing off Joel in the 2nd game, it's HOW he killed him off. Joel would never be that trusting to a complete and utter stranger after all his time spent on the road, doing fucked up shit with Tommy and even after Tommy leaves, all the fucked up shit he probably did alone and even with Tess, there is no way he just throws all that survival training out the window saving some random chick like that.

>IF I KILL HER I'LL BE JUST LIKE HER
oh shut the fuck up

>>725708424
Joel just took not leaving witnesses to a serious degree because he knew that people would've chased him.
And he wasn't wrong. Just couldn't kill literally every single Firefly because not everyone was there.
HE WASN'T WRONG. THEY DID CHASE HIM AND KILLED HIM IN COLD BLOOD.
And Abby didn't kill Tommy and Ellie, allowing the same thing to happen.

>>725708424
>there is no way he just throws all that survival training out the window saving some random chick like that.
The night before that morning happens Ellie told him she was going to forgive him (and be her "daughter" again).

I want to hug Ellie and kiss her neck and cheeks while telling her everything will be fine. Then, after some cuddling, we'll fell asleep.
kino?

>>725702661 (OP)
Hey Neil, if abortion isn’t murder, then why would killing a pregnant woman be any worse than killing a non-pregnant woman?

Can you explain that, lil buddy?

>>725711617
No correction. THEY didn't chase him. ABBY chased him. The fireflies didn't really give a shit after that and pretty much dissolved after their golden ticket (Ellie) was gone in the wind. They didn't chase him, Abby chased him, and I'm pretty sure if he didn't kill her father, she wouldn't have given a fuck either.
>Abby didn't kill Tommy and Ellie
Because they weren't the ones who killed her father. She did the right thing. She also had Ellie and Dina as well as Tommy dead to rights for a 2nd time and still let them all live and Ellie like an absolute fucking mouth breathing faggot still comes after her. There is literally no way you can cut it where Ellie isn't retarded and in the wrong here.

>>725704641
>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason

>part of a violent terrorist group which tried to commit human sacrifice in hope it will cure zombie aids

lol

>>725712263
oy vey, stop asking questions

>>725704641
Victimizing the Fireflies instead of showing that they were a grey zone of incompetent fools that had a very fucking slim chance of curing the disease shows that Cuckman is a faggot jew and should kill himself

>>725704641
>>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
You sound like a tranny

>>725702661 (OP)
>Okay so I've just spent hours upon hours killing tons of people in order to get to Abby.
>I'm on the verge of killing her.
>BUT it is now I realize that killing is wrong so I won't kill her.
FUCK OFF you know full well if a Last of Us 3 comes out Ellie will go right back to killing with no problem.

>>725715184
>Killing tons of people
Ellie killed like 3 people and tortured the shebaboon, thats it.
All the killing you do in the video-game are the "game" parts, not related to the story. Its not like Ellie is some sort of Terminator.

>>725702661 (OP)
>ellie killing abby's friend, kills pregnant women, and splitting npcs in half
>refuse to kill the person that killed joel
what fucking logic is this?

Remember that no matter how bad your life may get at least you didn’t spend five years shilling a shitty CW show disguised as a video game on a basket weaving forum used by third world children

>>725716720
>She remembers her last night talking to Joel and finally forgiving him for saving her life
She correctly blamed herself for the time she spent hating him instead building nice memories.

>>725702661 (OP)
Ellie had to get it on
She was making a move
A. She was a hooar
B. She hit Ellie
It wasn't Ellie's kid she was carrying
Fucking cordycepts it's everywhere
It was dark, Ellie couldn't see, she was wearing a coat, looked thin enough
She insulted Ellie a little bit
Ellie didn't say nothing, Ellie and her share the esplanade. Don't want that apple cart upset.

Ellie had to get it on.

>>725702661 (OP)
least violent lesbian.

>>725704641
>>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
>>725707943
He came at Joel with a knife! Joel's got a right to defend himself.

>>725704641
1. Joel saved abbie's life
2. abbie knows deep down that Joel's killings as destructive as they might have been for their cause were defensive in nature, they took his girl and were going to sacrifice her.
3. Abbie knows that in his new life Joel is just some fucking guy. he's part of an encampment with no political aspirations that doesn't do raids.

I just can't respect or empathize with abbie at all. I don't care what kind of familial trauma or utilitarian righteousness she's working with, backstabbing a samaritan is something I would never do, certainly not with the moral complications she's aware of, empathy is completely severed at that point.

4. abbie didn't save ellie's life
5.ellie didn't kill abbie.

>>725704641
Lesbians are inherently, ontologically evil.

>>725708424
>Needlessly killing Abby's dad was also optional
No it wasn't. It's killer bee killed. In the game it isn't possible to subdue or get around him. The only options are kill the madman with the knife or get killed.
>Dude was a faggot ass scientist not the fucking Juggernaut
And Joel's not an X-man. Charles isn't going to give him a vision of better days and send him on his way to bang she hulk
The foundation of your point is based on a willful lie.

>>725702661 (OP)
Why couldn't you gun down pregnant women who were active combatants? They had that pregnant woman whom Ellie killed make a feminist stand against her husband by bravely going into combat zones while being 8 months pregnant so why not make it more progressive and let me shoot arrows into pregnant women's bellies?

>>725704641
it's because ellie is mad at joel when he dies and she never gets a chance to forgive him. she can't do anything but pursue abby until she finally breaks down and forgives joel in the final flashback

>>725719637
Um, chud? You are supposed to just let them kill you. You aren't sexist are you sweetie? Only she can kill her unborn kid, her body, her choice.

>”Revenge is…… le bad”
>Written by the ethnic group literally genociding your race worldwide
Hmmmm

>>725704641
For those not familar with the story, the only reason to have Abby is because of her manbody.

>>725721706
Hate Abby you mean? She's a proud trans ally so fuck her too. Fuck everyone in this gay series.

>>725714241
This is the worst thing in my opinion. In Last Of Us every recording you find really implies or outright shows they're a group of retards who aren't above raiding and stealing food to sell it back. The hospital was dirty as fuck and they had absolutely zero considerations for either Joel or Ellie. In fact, they were going to 100% shoot him after escorting him out back because they never gave him back his guns or paid him.
They were shitty people who all deserved to get gunned down but its painted as some sort of tragedy that was inflicted upon this poor innocent group by an evil monster named Joel.

>>725723752
>the hospital was dirty
That’s just modern realistic videogame graphics

>>725720454
So they shouldn't be allowed to write that type of story or something? Naruto has the exact same message and the Japs wrote it which is even funnier if you think about it

>>725702661 (OP)
she didn't know Mel was perganant and it was in self defense thoughbeit.

>>725723752
I wouldn't say the Fireflies were incompetent but they definitely were terrorists and/or insurgents with no greater ambitions than blowing shit up. Joel's gut instinct to cut the initial guns loose and let Marlene have them was 100% correct.

>>725704641
>>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
I cannot believe you retards read past this and honestly engaged with this post instead of calling him a retard.

tommy had a hard life

>>725704641
Abby's father was a murderer himself and single handedly responsible for the lack of immune children in america. He basically did the reverse of natural selection and ensured human extinction instead of helping to spread the carriers gene until the next generation become asymptomatic like Ellie and the rest of immune children that he killed.

>>725724838
Naruto still killed Madara and Kaguya in the end.

>>725708040
>Optional BTW
No it's not, if you don't pull the trigger the game doesn't progress. The devs just wanted to gaslight you into thinking YOU'RE responsible for that murder. But you don't actually have a choice, they force you to do it. Typical zionist game design

>>725718976
>4. abbie didn't save ellie's life
She literally stops that faggot with the scar from murdering Ellie the fuck are you yapping about? Her and the black chick wanted to off her right there and Abbie and the dude she was fucking says that they were only there for Joel. Then after the Ellie Boss fight, you have her dead to rights. Also had Dina at knife point. Let both of them live, as well as Tommy. Both times she could've fucking murdered them and been done with it and both times she spared them.

Just post the naked female clicker already.

>>725728080
that wasn't revenge

>>725728282
Madara is the one actually responsible for killing his parents while Obito was just an unwilling puppet. So yeah, he still avenged them even if that is not his intention.

the problem with the game isnt that it tried to be a subversion of the basic revenge plot, the problem is that it didn't feel natural and incredibly preachy. while playing it you could feel cuckman through the screen telling you "see how bad revenge is?"

>>725728386
You're trying but it ain't working, the whole revenge is le bad main arc and plotline was the Pain arc. Also what the fuck is the point? There's a revenge is le bad plotline in Naruto and that's that

>>725704641
>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason (lie)
>which makes Abby killing Ellie's "dad" completely justified (she's the good person!)

Fuck off Niel

>>725724838
Unlike ellie, Naruto didn't kill innocent people and then immediately backs down once he confronted the guy whose actually responsible for his suffering. So it didn't feel preachy and hamfisted because it is consistent from the beginning to the end. No expectation being subverted for the sake of subversion.

>>725728741
Maybe but it was a different world, it's not like Ellie killed for fun. And for me TLOU 2 never felt preachy in that regard because i already know and agree that revenge is bad, so to me this was just a game which reinforced something i believed. And idk why everyone feels the need to analyze something as if it's meant to be aimed at themselves. The story is about Ellie and i'm just a spectator. "uuhhh Drukman is trying to brainwash me into believing revenge is le bad !!!" no i think he just wanted to tell this story and doesn't give a fuck about you, and also if he did, what's wrong with that message?

>>725702661 (OP)
>was about to kill pregnant jewish bisexual woman
BASED
>tranny kid stopped her
cringe...

>>725704641
Bait pasta

>>725704641
>dad is mercilessly killed by Joel for no reason
lol
lmao

>>725724576
>every remake gets cleaner

>WLF sends pregnant women capable of doing parkour to the battlefield, hoping their babies will absorb damage from bullets
Is this some kinda of Israel vs Palestine reference?

>>725729695
Her body; her choice.

It's that simple, chuddie.

>>725729956
So the baby has no choice but to be forced into battle? Isn't that fascism?

>>725729695
>no 8 month earlier flashback to futa abby x mel sex resulting in impregnation
druck?

so /v/ finally realized it's a masterpiece huh

>>725731965
UWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH ToT

I have Nazi-level Jew fatigue

>>725704641
Yes, logic and sense magically cures trauma/ptsd.

>>725702661 (OP)
cuckman is a psycho incel

>>725715184
>killing tons of people
Really? My Ellie only killed 6 people.

>ywn have an Ellie gf who lets you rest your head on her flat hebe tummy after you've had a long day at work
Genuinely what is the point of living?

>>725704641

The moral of the story is to never leave loose ends or they'll come back and hang you.

>>725702661 (OP)
It's okay cause she's cute.

>>725734263
>Really? My Ellie only killed 6 people.
My Ellie only killed fireflies

>>725704641
>t. Cuckmann

>>725723752
>>725714241
You guys are fucking retarded. The execution sucked but the idea was sound. Joel dooming humanity for his new found daughter is poignant. Insinuating him correct by making firefly's plan a fool's errand is not

>>725734995
well what if some day you will ?

>>725707964
Ask God to create one for you

Post your bigot sandwiches.

>>725736358
I have for many years and nothing has happened.

>>725736103
But how?

>>725702661 (OP)
They drew first blood, not her

>>725735253
She isn't though, she looks like utter shite

>>725702661 (OP)
reminder that from joels perspective, based on the audiotapes he can find, the fireflies were having better success in finding a cure, and it was plausible to cure it, so him murdering them all was dooming the world and all the future humans that could exist so he could play dad for a few years.
no, this is not about the fact there IS no cure. this is about joels decision based on what he knew. he thought there was a chance, however slim, to save literally millions, if not billions of lives.

he chose to brutally slaughter all those who may of been able to do it from what he understood, to play dad.

being right accidentally for the most monstrous reason possible doesnt make him not a monster

>>725735994
>Joel dooming humanity for his new found daughter is poignant.
would have been cool if it were written that way

>>725735994
>Look guys we can dissect this little girls brain, and maybe, maybe we can find out why she's immune. Then afterwards we can try to mass produce this cure. How will we mass produce it if we live in a post-apocalyptic society and all our factories are in ruins? Just dont think about it.

>>725738874
yes. i mean, its only saving literally all of humanity. its like, a tad important. just, oh, what they have dedicated literally all their resources to. did i mention it was "save humanity" they were trying to do. i know it would be tough, but golly. i guess if its harder then making clean water its not worth saving....literally the human race.

>the moon? man, thats gonna be hard. lets just give up. theres no way
-you

>>725738874
Again the execution sucked ass as the game in general, but them being incompetent buffoons literally detracts from one good thing the game had going on

>Fireflies: We need someone with experience to extract brain tissue from an immune girl so we can research on a cure. Anyone experienced in brain surgery?
>Jerry Anderson: I've castrated a dog or two
>FF: SHIT NIGGA, THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO SAY

>>725707785
>He was about to kill Ellie
She signed up for that voluntarily

>>725738874 #
Again the execution sucked ass as did the game in general, but them being incompetent buffoons literally detracts from the one good thing the game had going

>>725735097
Let's be real abner wasn't even a thought until druckcuck took full control.

>>725739115
If it's important to save the world, then step one being destroy the only known sample of an immune brain seems like the worst way to go about it. I don't understand why you think that the fireflies meaning well and having good intentions is a rebuttal to them being murderous incompetents.

>>725739502
>April 28th. Marlene was right. The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient's Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.
>We must find a way to replicate this state under laboratory conditions. We're about to hit a milestone in human history equal to the discovery of penicillin. After years of wandering in circles, we're about to come home, make a difference, and bring the human race back into control of its own destiny. All of our sacrifices and the hundreds of men and women who've bled for this cause, or worse, will not be in vain.

they had the resources, experience and technical know how to do all this. they had a fucking MRI machine and the ability to power it. its unlikely anyone else on planet earth had anything near this level of sophistication and equipment. buttttt nah, lets not just "leave and let them hope for another voluntary complete unicorn", you brutally slaughter them, making sure to put the final nail in the coffin that is humanity.

(until it was confirmed its impossible to cure, but joel never learns that. he dies thinking he murdered humanities last chance execution style)

>>725702661 (OP)
DOUBLE KILL

>>725739115
And how will a cure fix things when the world is in ruins and is teeming with zombies. Do they use dart guns and inject the cure in the zombies. Do the zombies change back to humans after 20 years looking as a misshapen tumor. Can they even survive a transformation like that. How will the regular people benefit from immunity if they don't get turned into zombies in the first place.

Every piece of zombie media has this problem, you need to cure your people before they become zombies, otherwise its pointless. If 99% of the planet are zombified then the survivors need guns and not syringes with a cure for the plague. It's taken for granted that a regular person that survives the original apocalypse is either immune to some lesser extent and needs to get bitten to become a zombie. Also the fireflies cant mass produce the cure so its existence is doubly pointless.

>>725739865
oh shit your right they should just give up

>>725739865
If getting infected is no longer an issue you can have much better odds at clearing out the rubble and starting rebuilding. Nobody is saying it's a panacea. It's a start

>>725739905
Or you know, not destroy the only immune subject they have as a first resort. It's almost like the fireflies wanted to destroy humanity, murderous commies that they were.

>>725702661 (OP)
preggers bad
trannies good

>>725740220
of course! why didnt literal doctors think of that! its just so simple, do the...the thingy that lets you do what they needed to do, but without killing the girl! the, you know, uh, deus ex machina procedure. genius!

gosh, its so weird how they were arbitrarily deciding to do it the way that lowered their chances instead of increased it, for absolutely no reason. what a plot hole!

>>725702661 (OP)

Ellie had to ensure that 'the last of us' really was 'the last of us'

>>725740051
I agree with you that it will help. But the narrative presents this not as a tool that will help people, but as a miracle that will instantly fix the world. That's the issue that people have with the fireflies, they are doing immoral things for a possible advantage. And it's not even a sure thing. Yes they should try to create a cure, but they should be less retarded with their methods.

>>725740639
so what was the other method and why didnt the doctors do it

>>725729695
Cuckman was a genius for this its he truly understood the female brain with Mel and the tragedy of it.
>be a highly skilled medic who can still be useful to her group while being in the security of a well managed and fortified facility
>decide that thinking of her baby's health and not weighing down a raiding party by forcing them to accommodate a pregnant woman dosent satisfy her ego
>instead of anyone stepping in and course correcting her stupidity shes cleared to get disembowled/raped/captured by not Palestinians and deal with Infected
>plot happens
>equally retarded husband decides that killing is now badong and forces the mother of his child to be interrogated
>she vouches for him and dosent say anything knowing that her betrothed would always have her side
>repays this by trying to abandon his wife and child over a rumor of butch lesbians getting together in California
>human bean emotions take hold and he sleeps with a brick from Utah
>insists on leaving his wife to fend for herself to be with said brick
>incredibly rare moment of everyone being rational and calling him a fucking idiot for wanting to do such a thing
>fucking dies because her hubby in a frenzy for phallic-esque objects tries to grab a gun and shove it up his ass, killing the both of them and their child over the safety of his boyfriend.
>"oh my fauci she was pregaganant"
>drop your map and forget about it becuase of the recylindering of vespas

>>725740452
>, its so weird how they were arbitrarily deciding to do it the way that lowered their chances instead of increased it, for absolutely no reason. what a plot hole
It's not a plot hole. The fireflies are consistently shown to be murderous baffoons. It's their most consistent characterization. They had a veterinarian perform brain surgery.

>>725740935
>Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.
thats one skilled veterinarian

anyways this goes completely agaisnt the fact that the creator of the story just said "no, it cant be cured". im only talking about how joel, who couldnt of possibly known that, decided to murder what he believed was the only shot of saving earth

>>725735515
But David isn't a firefly.

>>725740748
>so what was the other method
That they didn't start with a biopsy and went right to destructive testing is a huge red flag.
>why didnt the (veterinarian) do it
Because he was to blinded by his utopian vision and sense of destiny to do it slowly.

When someone starts arguing with retconned points from second game I just dip out. Yes of course they're going to adjust the narrative to repaint an already good story about uncertainties into whatever retarded "revenge bad" jew shit cuckman wanted to tell by making joel look in the wrong when he objectively made the correct choice with the evidence presented by the first game

>>725741256
how do you know a biopsy was possible

>>725740814
my knees...

>>725741396
>how do you know a biopsy was possible
You're right. We've no reason to believe a veterinarian could perform a brain biopsy.

>>725741704
but he could all this and gather all this data. weird, huh.
>Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.

>>725740814
>drop your map
the obsession over this is hilarious to me, such a thin straw to grasp at just to justify a bit of plot contrivancy

>>725716634
>it doesn't count because it wasn't a cutscene
This is fucking retarded man.

Why didn't people just get in armoured vehicles, beep the horn and shoot and clickers that come. Rinse and repeat for a few years and boom, humanity is saved.

>>725702932
fpbp
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