Thread 725757764

>You don't get it! Mr.House is bad because uhhhh...uhhhh...
>he was kinda mean to me

>>725757764 (OP)
He's bad because his plan is retarded

>>725759190
he won.

>>725759626
Thank you for your contributions. We will never let them wave away the files.

you have to admit being mean to the one person he was depending on to carry out his plans and who could kill him at any point was a really fuckin stupid idea

5 INT moment

>>725757764 (OP)
He's Elon Musk but with better speeches. A lot of promises.

>>725757764 (OP)
House lacks vision for the future, which sounds funny because he's always talking about robots and the moon or whatever, but he doesn't have a plan for the world beyond himself and running New Vegas. He wants to always just be running his little citystate, not an empire, and expects the rest of the world to come crawling to him to progress their own lives while he holds the keys to the tech tree.

He loses because he underestimates the ingenuity and power of others. The Courier can kill him easily and let the NCR, the Legion, or himself run the show. A future with New Vegas run by House doesn't look any different. Even more damning, House hasn't managed to achieve what the Institute has, mainly because he doesn't make humans better. He just wants to control them.

>>725757764 (OP)
Brother the whole series is about letting go of the past and you want to install a gen alpha immortal dictator

>>725757764 (OP)
He's bad because he fails at everything he ever sets out to do. He didn't save Vegas, he doesn't control the dam, he didn't recover his platinum chip, the tribals he used to re-open the strip are all plotting against him and on the verge of successfully fucking him over until the Courier shows up, for fuck's sake he couldn't even outsmart fucking Benny. Putting any stock in any of his plans is just retarded.

>>725760638
Yes, and also make myself immortal too. And House is the only one that promises that, besides also maybe doing it in Big MT.

>>725760936
>he's bad because he's didn't already win and thus render the entire choice meaningless by rewriting the entire game
>he's bad because his successes are tempered by his failures and his personal flaws
>he's bad because the highlight of his flaws is more obvious compared to the faceless masses that might yet continue on the legacy of the faction to be found in NCR and the Legion
You're bad because you're an idiot.

>>725759626
You should have asked this when your guy was in office for 4 years :).

>>725763951
Did he promise releasing them?

>>725764096
Weird non-sequitur.

You should have asked this when your guy was in office for 4 years :).

>>725757764 (OP)
unironically, yes. if house was half the machiavellian superman he presents himself as, he would've said and given you any meaningless trinket you asked for in order to get the chip, then bomb your new casino hotel room with upgraded securitrons once he gets the thing he's wanted for 100 years.

instead he starts threatening you like a thug the second you don't instantly give him everything he wants, revealing himself to be just another petty tyrant but without the honesty to admit it

>>725764395
Why did the guy who campaigned on "I'm going to release the files" not release the files?

>>725764395
>non-sequitur
That's not how that works, my question is following up your previous one about Biden
Biden did not release them because he didn't promise them (and he didn't have control of the house and senate like trump does)

>>725757764 (OP)
You can't even keep track of literal cannibals in your city that is maybe one square mile when even a guy who got shot in the head a week ago can. You think you can launch a space program?

>>725760447
Since he's alive, and the NCR is fucked in canon now, his whole plan was based on the NCR having a stable economy, he gets his city state, and gets his income from NCR. But NCR collapsing because of Vault Tec meant that Vegas would be pulled down with it and be reduced to petty tribal fights again

>>725764768
>if he was <headcanon> then he would <headcanon>

>>725760447
Yeah when you compare him to The Institute he really is full of shit

>>725763951
>>725764395
Gee. Its almost as if liberals don’t actually care about pedophilia and this is just the latest gimmick to try and deflect from their latest fuckup with that lame ass shutdown.

>>725765169
all of what he said was true but house is still the best ending for the mojave (and canon, evidently)

>>725765010
>>725765117
Weird non-sequitur.

You should have asked this when your guy was in office for 4 years :).

Sorry, "we never asked because he didn't say he would but we still totally cared" is not a compelling rebuttal.

>>725765539
Everything is more expensive and the president fucked kids.

no gods no masters
sorry mr.house
nothing personnel
heh

>>725765648
>>725765539

>>725757764 (OP)
Ya I didnt like his tone so I punched him out.

>>725759351
He gets a golf club in the brain in every single playthrough of mine and he can't do shit about it. Survival of the fittest baby.

>>725765976
Biden and Clinton should share the same jail cell, they're all pedos

this is the guy from Fallout season 2 right?

so did house win?
is the show canon

checkmate, Mr House

>>725757764 (OP)
House is bad because he was neurotic even when BEFORE he entered the TUUUUUBE but that doesn't mean much when his competition pre-war was a bunch of incompetents and nuke-crazy politicians, and post-war being a bunch of scavengers and warmongers looking to start shit.

>>725766336
Im gonna say no but hes still around. It wont be an exact adaptation of any of the endings

>>725757764 (OP)
House is only appealing to 130+ IQ Anglos and Jews. Which is why he's the best choice.

>>725765117
>>725765010

>>725757764 (OP)
3 out of 3 families are plotting against him. I like House, but he's not flawless.

>>725767001
Being a cultist sounds fun

>>725767515
>I only started caring about this because my secular sect told me to!
It sure does.

>>725767338
>cannibals
>20s/50s gangster wannabes
>general degenerates
Lucky 38 being an empty casino makes it the best casino on the Strip.

>>725757764 (OP)
>House is the reductio ad absurdum of American Millionaire worship. He's Walt Disney and Howard Hughes. He's modern tech CEO's who say they're going to "save the world" when they are intact the ones destroying it. Like everything else in Fallout he's a satire of an aspect of American culture. And it's hilarious that there are people playing a franchise famous for being satirical who take House claiming to be some Philosopher King at face value.

>>725767338
You mean 1/3 right anon?

>>725767991
>Benny
>White Gloves are plotting with Caesar
>Omertas are plotting with Caesar even more

>>725767939
So are the legion reductio ad absurdum of the lefts bootlicking?

>>725767001
>schizobabble

>world ended
>there are no factories or grocery stores
>there is barely even crops or clean water
>most prominent group around are drug addicted cannibals who will attack you on sight
>there's fucking dinosaurs running around (they also eat humans)
>there's incredible hulks running around (also cannibals)
>any given building has a 75% chance of containing so much invisible poison it turns you into a zombie
>"How could you side with the guy who offers you power lines, clean running water, food and protection?"

>>725765169
>Say you keep control of New Vegas. What happens next?
"With all that money pouring in? Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation."
>In the meantime, you'd rule Vegas as some kind of dictator?
"I prefer the term 'autocrat.' I would rule as a chief executive. I would not answer to a board of directors or any other entity."

this has been the crux of all pro-house arguments since the game came out. if we give this guy absolute power and decision making he's gonna advance science and put us in space so why would I follow the NCR or Legion who are doing shit that already failed once.

except that he can't even handle getting the chip smoothly, the fuck is he going to do when the local tribals don't want to build his rockets, is he gonna threaten them too? is he just gonna declare war on the much bigger NCR when they decide they don't actually want to give all their resources to some guy on a TV screen? he shows absolutely zero ability for realpolitik or statesmanship that he would need to even somewhat make his carl sagan wetdream a reality

>>725757764 (OP)
>he was kinda mean to me
as the protagonist of the game, this is enough of a reason for me to kill him.

>Cass lived to see Hoover Dam in its Old World glory, humming with power the likes of which the Mojave had never seen. Vegas burned brighter than ever, Securitrons filled the streets, and Cass's heart skipped... just a little. Her last words were to the Dam - and to herself. "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time."
Reminder the House ending slide for Cass confirms Vegas becomes a city state superpower (ignore the last part though she's a safe edgy NCR whore)

>>725768657
He never shows any intention of fighting the NCR

>>725768195
>Legion
>left wing
now that's some illiteracy.

>>725768942
because he thinks the money he makes off fucking blackjack and slots is going to be enough to rebuild a centuries of scientific progress in decades due to being a parody of howard hughes, yes. but that's obviously stupid and not going to be enough to make fucking space ships

>>725761748
There are literally no successes to speak of. He fails at every fucking thing he tries. He was too incompetent to instill literally any loyalty in anyone and everyone is indifferent to him at best and despises him at worst. When dies, not a single person mourns. He's an incompetent retard, that's all.

>>725766221
Let me guess... 6 months on estrogen?

your options in FNV are:
house
>clean water, electricity, doesn't demand anything but basic rules like 'no murder on my property without my permission'
>will probably become a benevolent dictator given enough time putting up with retards
>might bring infrastructure back to its pre-war state
>kills anything hostile within his castle
>will protect you as long as you have money and don't cause a ruckus
caesar
>everyone except caesar is a slave
>extreme laws, extreme punishments
>technology bad
>if you join voluntarily your men will be conscripted and your women will be sex slaves
>will kill all (other) raiders in their territory
NCR
>faux democracy, really a plutocracy
>larping as the US government
>okay at killing raiders, not great
>laws fairly relaxed, much moreso than caesar, less than house
>you will pay taxes or die
>tries to moralfag, ends up doing bad stuff anyway and everybody suffers for no reason
independent
>you aren't that smart
>turns out running a whole country is hard
>yes-man is probably gonna take over at some point
>total wildcard, could be amazing or could view humans as useless meatbags

>>725769886
>>will probably become a benevolent dictator given enough time putting up with retards
Lol no

>>725757764 (OP)
Wasn't he doing a slavery?

>>725769609
I don't think anyone even notices he dies lol

>>725769886
but what about the people? democracy?

>>725770310
>People
The people will be fine. If you look at the cut post-game, Freeside is doing great under House.
>Democracy
Democracy is a meme.

>>725769886
House is a retard who needs to be handheld by the courier to do the most trivial of tasks. He was outsmarted by fucking Benny and his Securitrons have already been shown to be subversible in ways he can't track or even detect, New Vegas will be a smoking crater in no time.

>hgnnnmmm (coughing vat corpse noises)
>i,ve spent 200 years making my perfect plan...
>i'm going to entrust everything to this guy who wears a suit so ugly he can be tracked across the mojave by it.
>but dont worry i know Wowhat you're thinking. "what if he betrays me?"
>Well in that case i have a brain damaged mailman on standby as a replacement.
>(more coughing noises) have i mentioned im an INTJ?
>quick, robot marilyn monroe, jack me off to completion

>>725770019
I like House for the most part but I don't believe him for a second when he says he's incorruptible. He will become more autocratic over time. His lasseiz-faire approach to management is already falling apart by the time we get there; the Chairmen are openly rebelling, the Omertas are about to and the White Gloves are still fucking eating people, the ONE thing he asked them to not do. There is so much shit going on right under his nose because he refuses to keep people on a leash at all, nonetheless a tight one. Even when he finds out about stuff, he's still worried about appearances and seems almost unbothered. He will either get harsher laws or die. Which one happens will depend entirely on if he survives a rebellion/assassination attempt. Frankly, the courier's assassination of House is unrealistically easy, I think his bunker would have been way more fortified and it was only that way because video games.

>>725770823
I think he'll fall apart before he tightens his leash enough to be entirely honest, either that or he'll fuck up bad by giving someone way too much leeway again.
Benny already subverted his network once and now the Securitrons are extra dangerous. What if someone does it again? Will the Courier just bail him out yet again? He can't do that forever.

>>725770727
most competent libertarian

>>725757764 (OP)

I didn't dislike him, but his incompetence got my character shot, so I shot him and took over his empire through Yes-Man. Whether my character succeeds or fails, he couldn't stop it from happening, so he didn't deserve to rule.

>>725757764 (OP)
Hates the BoS that's enough for me to not side with him and kill him

>>725769886
house might get carried away and needs a counterbalance, but this can work if he delivers on the promise to share his immortality tech with the courier
independence is basically a headcanon, you can always imagine a scenario where courier manages to build a functioning society and government with factions and companions he allied with

>>725757764 (OP)
Mr. House IS a liberal. A classical liberal. And that's why he's right.

>>725757764 (OP)
House is the obviously correct choice unless you're roleplaying a narcissistic courier that wants to do his own thing or a courier that is somehow smarter than he is and better able to utilize his resources (not likely), in which case Yes Man is acceptable.

>>725757764 (OP)
There are only 2 (TWO) endings - Yes Man and House. Yes Man if you think that Courier is the strongest\smartest\most capable etc. character in the Mojave (so basically you take his "ingame powerlevel" and apply it to the ending).
House if you think that Courier is not a demi-god that can solo entire factions but just a lucky and capable individual. So siding with House will create the most powerful faction in the Mojave.

>>725772860
A rock with a smiley face painted on it would make better use of House's resources then him.

>>725773058
no lol

>>725760447
I disagree
>>725765226
I dont consider it canon amd neither should you

>>725772974
Wrong. Siding with the NCR adds House's resources to the NCR's own, same with the Legion. House does not add the others to himself. Thus other choices will result in a stronger faction overall.

>>725766247
>>725765539
>>725764395
If Rightwingers weren't disingenuous tricksters I would be onboard with this.
I want Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Biden and the Clintons to be punished because I believe nobody is above the law.
You want Nancy Pelosi, Biden and the Clintons to be punished because they were in your way when you got uppity.
We are not the same.

>>725757764 (OP)
The amount of labor necessary for the scale of his plans and his primary method of securing that plan (coercive violence via killer robots) implies slavery by another name, and I'm not one to willingly choose a master. And that's not if the animosity he breeds amongst those allies he relies on doesn't get him killed and topple the whole thing first, which is what happens sooner rather than later in my playthroughs.

>>725768575
>>there are no factories or grocery stores
Yes, there fucking are.
>or clean water
Just fucking filter it.
>drug addicted cannibals who will attack you on sight
As if cannibals are going to be buddy-buddy with people they don't know. It takes time to build trust with other people now, it wouldn't change after the world "ends".
>invisible poison
Radiation? You could detect it with a... a radiation detector.

>>725773220
nigga I want all of those people dead because they're evil retarded commies

>>725772974
this guy is right

>>725761748
It’s not just that he “didn’t win” he literally by default will lose unless the player intervened. That’s worse than either of the main factions since you can’t say one way or the other. House? Without the courier he literally always loses

>>725773080
House has singlehandedly alienated the entirety of New Vegas. He somehow managed to make the entire city not give a fuck about him and make himself entirely extraneous to its functioning. Everyone he put in charge betrayed him one way or another, his plan exploded on his face thanks to that, and his network was subverted. He's an incompetent retard who needs the Courier to show up and babysit him to a win and will die miserably otherwise. The NCR has a plan to win they can implement, the Legion has a plan to win. House literally will crumble and be unable to do anything without you because he built zero trusted agents and managers.

>>725772974
trvth nvke

>>725759190
how?

>>725773407
>the retarded backstabbing cannibals and whatnot don't like house
wow you're so insightful

The Bull... The Bear... The Divide...

>>725773516
He was the one who brought these cannibals to his house and then gave them heaps of power with zero oversight or management. It literally is his fault that they betrayed him.

>>725773328
Fuck tankies that call everyone fascist and fuck poltards that call everyone commies.

>>725773678
I don't call everyone commie, I call commies commie.

>>725773562
what was Ulysses point?
all i get from it was spite

>>725773516
>hire cannibal maniacs
>do nothing to make them stop being cannibal maniacs, just tell them to not do that and hope things sort themselves out
>they keep being cannibal maniacs
>how could this be happening to me???

>>725773675
Speaking of uniting raider tribes the sole survivor in 4 accomplishes more in nuka world in like one week than whatever the fuck house was doing for 200 years

>>725773775
He had his life taken from him for absolutely no reason and then saved for absolutely no reason, so he's coping hard and trying to take out in someone who had no fault on it but was tangentially related

>>725768869
the last part is that used up roastie whore bitch jumping to her death and basketball slamming her skull into the concrete.

>>725768869
"There's lots of lights" doesn't translate to "there is a superpower"

>>725757764 (OP)
he's a jew in heart, so he must die
>>725760638
>>725761102
house isn't immortal, his aging carcass was just being propped up by technology, he was going to die eventually

>>725773407
>The NCR has a plan to win they can implement
lol
lmao
the only group that actually functions the best without player intervention is Caesar's Legion

>>725759190
>Nooooooooo, you can't just tax people for the services you provide them!
Don't like it? Find your own fucking desert.

>>725773775
The bear and the bull

Old world symbols

>>725774285
I didn't say they had a good plan, but they have a plan. They do things without the Courier's direct intervention and have enacted active change through the Mojave while House basically just sits there and waits for the chip to deliver himself to him. I admit Caesar's Legion has the best one (though they have the worst interactions with the courier- are you just going to fucking trust that dude to go into the bunker and fix things??? Just like that??? come on) though, they did good with all the moles, with blowing up the monorail and with the assassination of the president. They genuinely feel like people with a good grasp for warfare

>>725774658
ok but house is also stuck in a life support system
if you were him what would have done differently when you cant directly interact with most things

>>725774387
>comes to your land
>claims all your shit is his
>then demands you pay for your own things

Why is moderation so shit 22 hours of the day

>>725774909
He can send his Securitrons to tell people to do things. He has three families that are presumably his subordinates and yet he never actually uses them to do anything. He doesn't send anyone to pick up the Courier or to catch Benny when he fucking knows he's a traitor, he just has Victor follow you and that was pure luck on his part. His idiotic off handed management has crippled his ability to act in any way in the wider Mojave.

>>725765140
But the rest of the NCR “still exists” according to the showrunners. Except we haven’t heard that from Todd “I fucking hate New Vegas” Howard and they don’t appear in promo material for S2. Yet somehow the Legion does and is still around despite Caesar probably being dead by his tumour at this point and everyone (including himself) saying in NV that he is the only one who can keep the Legion together. On the plus side, I only know this info from people who watched the show so I can still apply pic to Fallout the same way I do to anything Star Wars related post 2005.

>>725775429
>everyone (including himself) saying in NV that he is the only one who can keep the Legion together
This shown in game to not be the case because you can walk up and blow his brains out, and the game plays out basically the same

>>725768869
Completely forget Cass has ending slides. The few times I’ve remembered to pick her up as a companion I give her to the Van Graffs.

>>725775429
There is something deeply sad about an aging man trying to imply a franchise's canon somehow belongs to him, that he can just dismiss what it's actively doing as increasing amounts of time pass, and ever increasing amounts of people are familiar with this newer material while having zero idea of what he, this stubborn grognard holding onto stale memories, is talking about. Oh well. It's only sad for a moment. I will forget you and you will be erased by neo-feudalism.

>>725775141
The bear and the bull….the divide

>>725775274
i thought the guard securitrons had limited programming and ability with only specific ones like victor have higher functionality
two the three families job was just to run the casinos at the time
he didnt need them to do anything else at the moment because if he had the platinum chip the higher quality securitrons would have been able to do most of what needed most likely

>>725775761
this is the most chad post i have ever read here

>>725775429
>everyone (including himself) saying in NV that he is the only one who can keep the Legion together.
That's not actually true. if you kill caesar, Boone says he has successors. A lot of other people say it'll fragment but they all disagree on where or how, and the fragments will likely not stop existing- there might be various Legion offshoots rather then the unified group.

>>725757764 (OP)
Independent > House > dogshit > NCR = Legion
>captcha: Yes Man

>>725775589
It's obviously not going to stop the assault on Hoover Dam *now* but it's said the Legion will buckle under infighting eventually

>>725763951
I fucking did. Stop turning this into a pissing fit. Everyone should be freaking out about the Epstein files.

>>725757764 (OP)
i fucking hate how liberally dimwits use the word liberal
you shit for brains don't know what it means

headbutt niggers in the face

Mass-produced Securitron sex bots when?

>>725757764 (OP)
he basically wants to run a robotic police state where the only humanity that is allowed is gambling

>>725775589
They say it would take time for it to happen (remember someone, possibly Graham and/or Ulysses, saying it could take a few years but could be wrong), but the Legion is ultimately doomed without Caesar.

>>725776161
“Caesar’s legion” will probably break apart not long after the events of the game providing the courier doesn’t make them win. The legion as an entity will most certainly persist for awhile. There’s so many cases of empires, nations, kingdoms being an extended LARP.
>Holy Roman Empire

>>725776061
Which if the show is smart will show and imply. But this is Amazon and Todd we’re talking about so I don’t think that would happen.

>>725776454
The Legion as a contiguous political entity could not survive the infighting, yeah, but that doesn't mean it'll stop existing entirely; Legion remnants turned raiders (not that there was much difference) could work as an antagonist faction

>>725769886
>a whole country
it's not even a whole state man. it's like, 2 towns and a city

>>725776634
Honestly the “legion” will probably “always” exist as a raider LARP, in setting you can always imagine some raider schmucks trying to ape the big bad legion

>His obituary quotes Lolita
Libertarian to the very end.

>>725775589
He doesn't know about Yes Man.

>>725757764 (OP)
"Only I can run New Vegas!"
Can't even keep control over the strip without literal retard backstabbing him and fucking up his whole plan. Imagine 200 years old and still being out brained by a molerat.

>>725773328
>he thinks people who worked tirelessly to reinforce the US imperial state and global capitalism are commies
american propaganda is some crazy shit man

>>725773407
he let his sense of superiority over the "savages" that replaced his people in the aftermath of the bombings cloud his judgement entirely, allowing basically every single faction in the game to undermine and plot against him at every step of the way, including the tribals he elevated.

>>725773775
That you're a bad person for delivering a package (doing your job) and should die for someone else's actions, but only after being preached at while shooting ghoul reskins for four hours.

>>725777589
who actually threw a wrench into House's plan other than Benny?

>>725777720
Ulysses is such a deeply comical character. He's impossible to take seriously.
>now youre here courier. for my final revenge. im nuking california
>[was that your plan]
>no i was just doing that. my revenge is that im going to beat you to death with a flagpole

>>725776017
>he didnt need them to do anything else at the moment because if he had the platinum chip the higher quality securitrons would have been able to do most of what needed most likely
but that's the rub, he needed to rely on people before getting his robot army upgraded, and simply didn't do it. the chip got robbed by someone who was literally down the street from him, and he just vibes until you do the shit he should've been doing because he only set up the infrastructure he needed for his endgame, then kind of just hopes he'll reach it

>>725777956
Ulysses mentioned
>BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULLBEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULLBEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULLBEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULLBEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL BEAR AND THE BULL

>>725777152
yes I do in fact believe the people that are pushing us further and further to the left are commies. There's no point in distinguishing between the severity of their commie ideologies because at the end of the day they all have to die.

>>725760447
This is the problem with ancapism as an ideology. It's just "MEEEEEEEE" the ideology, there's nothing there that can actually shape the masses because such a thing is seen as inherently bad.

>>725777956
Ulysses awesome revenge plan:
>invite the mailman i hate because they delivered one of the unabombers packages to my epic hideout in a radioactive wasteland
>trick them into launching a nuke, as a funny prank
>call them on the phone every twenty minutes to remind them that they're a horrible person and tell them about the cool ideas im learning from this jordan peterson book
>nuke california
>give them the epic matching jacket i made for them
>???
>profit

>>725764096
Why do you feel the need to wait for the permission of Biden to get those files? If you really gave a fuck about those you would've pressured him to release them

>>725773775
Ulysses is effectively a conspiracy theorist., he's just trying to assign meaning to things even when they're not there to feel better about himself

>>725773775
Ulysses does have points but they're often lost because he himself is a flawed character made that way by the Legion, N.C.R and the Courier.

>>725778250
The most fun I had with lonesome road was playing it with a legion character because when you get there Ulysses plan kinda just folds in on itself like he was just not prepared for the possibility that u would want to nuke california and he kinda stops being needlessly esoteric and just starts calling you a bitch for blowing up his favorite town

>>725763951
>Error: Corrupt or unplayable video
why is it that these threads are always swarmed by proxyniggers

>>725769874
enough about how mr house sustains his disgusting body

>>725777951
the white gloves kidnapped paying customers to eat them, including a cow baron's son from the NCR, his biggest customer base. I don't quite remember what the Omertas' deal was, maybe it was just illegal business being done off the books to avoid paying the house I think? It's been so long since I've done his route I don't remember his motivation for sending you to them And then Benny intercepted the chip. The NCR tries to undermine house in becoming the local superpower, setting up things like the sharecropper farm in a bid to assert control over the local populace by making them pay into the NCR state for food, with them eventually just asking you kill house outright because it'd be better for them to control the strip than house. And the legion just hates vice, so the strip has gotta go.

>>725778106
I get it anon you don't need to reiterate the fact that you're a brainwashed dog who barks at anything their masters point at

>>725757764 (OP)
yeah exactly he got an attitude with me so I'm not going to help him. if you wanna be a cuck and serve someone who talks down to you that's cool I guess

>>725778872
>anything their masters point at
my masters are random internet people that no one even knows about, I think all politicians should be killed

>>725778791
>I don't quite remember what the Omertas' deal was, maybe it was just illegal business being done off the books to avoid paying the house I think
Aside from the snuff films, they were directly collaborating with the Legion and planned to bomb the Strip with chemical weapons.

>Now shitty TV shows are good because my ending is canon
House trannies are pathetic

>>725778965
oh right, man how the fuck did I completely blank on that? I guess I'm overdue for a replay

>>725778642
He's still an idiot as he somehow expects a society to form a whole new ideology out of nothing rather than building on what's been done before (which is how all systems have functioned since humans attained sapience) and all whilst those same humans are literally surrounded by remnants of old ideologies.

>>725760447
His mindset is also terrible because anyone slighting him gets executed even if they're not maliciously working against him, he's functionally an authoritarian, and his entire goal is to leave Earth to fuck off to space and terraform another planet where he's the godking of it. Dude's got the ego and pride the size of the universe yet outside of making New Vegas a functional thing he's at the mercy of everyone else yet continues to believe himself to be the arbiter of the world.

>>725778791
white gloves were not a complete power threatening issue and the dynamics with the NCR were gonna change with the how the dam situation played out anyways
the biggest blow was Benny
again everything the NCR does is determine by winning the dam
you could kill house and then side with Legion, you could side with house and the NCR is pushed out anyways
there little games fall apart if they dont win the big one and house with the chip upgrade wins the big one

You could tell they had more ideas to make House more reprehensible but they simply failed to convey alot of it in the final content. Westside in particular had alot more room for questlines to depict life in a shithole two feet away from a gentrified vegas strip

>>725778965
this is an actual threat, even more than the NCR

>>725760638
Tim Cain said the vaults were experiments for an Enclave star ship. House has the same goal of getting humanity to a new planet. It is not a coincidence either because Vault-Tec and RobCo rubbed elbows from the start.
Maybe Houses "predictions" is just insider knowledge. He is a meta character.

>>725779215
>white gloves were not a complete power threatening issue
the game brushes it off but I think the perception of house sanctioning the kidnapping and cannibalism of the people he's extracting all his wealth from got out it'd be very bad for him. it's one thing for them to nab random NCR troopers, it's another entirely to be taking cow barons and their families considering the NCR is basically a rancher oligarchy. even if they aren't actively threatening House himself with their actions, they are risking House's biggest business relationship and potentially invoking the ire of the NCR army, which without the chip I think the NCR takes the strip, leaving House trapped in the cage of the Lucky 38.

>>725769886
We all know which ending Obshitdian would have made the canon one fitting with how they get all the quests in the game and the game is basically antifa propaganda

>>725773402
>he literally by default will lose unless the player intervened
This applies to all of the factions, really.
>Benny is doomed to get buttfucked by Caesar because his smooth-talking conman approach literally will not work and he won't be able to get to the bunker, thus the Yes Man ending doesn't work without the Courier
>Caesar dies from a brain tumor alarmingly soon without the Courier; the Legion will survive past him and will most likely win the dam, but Lanius's march to the west is doomed
>the NCR probably cannot win the dam, especially with Hanlon self-sabotaging and the president getting assassinated; if the Legion wins the dam the NCR is probably going to slowly collapse while the Legion does the same
also
>lmao tunnelers
This isn't a condemnation of any of the factions, either, it's just the nature of the game being faction-based and putting a lot of importance on the player character's involvement and decisions. The Legion is probably the faction that needs the player the least for its immediate goals, but it has the flimsiest long-term health.

>>725759912
Elon Musk is Fantastic
House is that guy in the 40s that loved big boobs and was a turbo autist lolcow

>>725773175
>NCR
Stripped and given away to plutocrats for pennies
>legion
Stripped for scrap

>>725759912
He's what Musk's fanboys think he is

>>725779752
I mean the game being so focused on the NCR's occupation makes sense, they DO occupy the region most of the game takes place in. They hold the dam, they have a not small bit of control over the region, but they're too busy with the legion to govern locally so they outsource to mercs. anyway arguments of canon endings don't matter because there will never be a followup that isn't bethesda stomping all over the setting with the show.

>>725779632
I doubt NCR would be able to take the strip pre-dam battle.
Again if we exclude MC involvment freeside isnt exactly on good terms with NCR
The three families aren't necessarily going to play along especially if Omertas are aligning with Caesar, and Benny having the chip making him a large liability. The securitrons would still try to maintain power as their programming dictates.
It would be too manpower consuming especially with the threat of CL still.

>>725776161
Lanius is the second in command for a reason

>>725780193
I always felt like all the people stating Caesars importance to preserve the Legion were underestimating Lanius. The dude has way more mystique and aura to be a God King and even his origin invokes a lot more awe than Edward's which may have been the point. His only real flaw is that he dislikes the Frumentarii

>>725780190
>I doubt NCR would be able to take the strip pre-dam battle.
I dunno they're basically all over the strip and have a direct line to it, them ambushing what little security is there just by pretending it's business as usual until it's go time would be easily done. not like house has spies to catch something like that because again, he is so alienated from this next generation of man that he just hopes shit goes his way. The NCR is spread thin, but they're most concentrated at the dam and at Mccarren, which again, has direct access to the strip. The gangs of the strip aren't armed very well either, there'd be some losses on the NCR's side but they totally have the upperhand at the start of NV, though that changes once House gets to unleash his full robot army.

>>725780519
He conquered 19 tribes in the Eastern Campaign. And he took the full state of New Mexico. He is not an idiot.
People just kill them on sight and don't bother with the lore.

>>725780630
Even concentration at McCarren doesn't mean they could easily take control.
Even a small movement of guard could open them up to more fiend attacks and other unfortunate situations.
If anything they would just hold house hostage as best they could while still relying on the securitrons for general security.
And even the strip gangs arent well armed that could easily change by connection with say the GK or CL smuggling weapons in.
Again the NCR would have to deploy more in trying to keep order when external threats are already high.
The Strip gangs don't even have to directly fight.
They could harass NCR citizens and other stuff again requiring large amount of manpower in active security that they can offset with House securitrons at the moment.
It wouldnt be worth it until they have leverage of the dam.

>>725769886
>everyone except caesar is a slave
incorrect
>extreme laws, extreme punishments
good
>technology bad
incorrect
>if you join voluntarily your men will be conscripted and your women will be sex slaves
incorrect but this is no different from your average tribe
>will kill all (other) raiders in their territory
good
Did you niggas even pay attention?

>>725778791
It was a subfaction of the White Gloves led by that Mortimer prick that were trying to reintroduce cannibalism to the society members by kidnapping the baron's son and some others. Never understood why you failed the mission for that random outside the casino when you chose to help the baron guy find his son.
The WG leadership was intent on burying that past and rebranding as non-cannibals, go legit.
Still kill all of them in every playthrough.

>>725778707
Works on my machine.

>>725782726
>Still kill all of them in every playthrough.
oh yeah, my favorite run I've ever done was my lucky cowboy where I locked to only 1 handed guns. went in with a sawn off shotgun and dragon's breath, burnt em all

>>725772974
Yes Man if you like playing janny
House if you let other people clean up your messes

I'm not watching the shitty gay Jewish Amazon show.

>>725772614

Hating the faggots of steel is based tho

>rags to riches self made billionaire
>single handedly climbed to being one of the most powerful men in the pre-war world
>founded and ran RobCo(named it after himself, deal with it)
>invented the pipboys used by every protagonist
>wrote the operating system on every terminal still operating since the great war
>made protectrons
>made sentry bots
>made assaultrons
>made eyebots
>made stealth boys
>made securitrons
>made AN ARMY of securitrons
>made Liberty Prime(with help from General Atomics)
>nearly perfectly predicted when the bombs would drop
>shot down most of the nukes
>survived the great war and used his advanced life extending tech to keep himself alive
>succeeded and became the longest living human in history(excluding mutant ghouls)
>positioned himself to be one of the most powerful men in the post-war world
>saves the courier and offers him/her the world as his right hand
>will repave roads, lay pipe, build water purifiers, aqueducts, irrigation tech, air conditioners, automobiles, repair train tracks and freight trains, security robots and turrets and weapons to eradicate the raider and mutant menaces
>will send robots to mine asteroids and find new planets for mankind to colonize
>will perfect his life extension tech and cryo tech and robots so they can carry their near immortal masters, the future of humanity, away to clean worlds ready to give man a fresh start now that the jews and commies are all gone

>>725784159
trvth nvke

>>725782953
The ending part for me is bugged as well, which means it was proxysite MD5 avoidance fucked at some point or somehow me and that anon have connected shitboxes.

>>725765539
cope

>>725784159
He's losing. Without the courier to handhold him he'll lose because his plan was shit lol

>>725776525
>an extended LARP.
Oh shut the fuck up. The roman themselves took the title of inheritors of troy
Go fellate Voltaire somewhere else.

>>725773775
Meta or in game? In game he wanted to avenge the budding third civilization growing between the NCR and Legion in the Divide and used you as a scapegoat because those actually responsible were dead long before the package even arrived

>>725787147
It's 100% a LARP. The Romans had some actual relationship and cultural link with Troy, the Legion pretend to be Romans because it's a cool aesthetic and have no actual connection to the culture

>>725775761
Bruh I am not fucking playing Fallout 4 no matter how much you bitch and moan about fusion cores being canon or whatever

Caesar is the only logical choice

Guy pays me to get the job done. Simple as.

>>725773775
It's okay to be gay.

The best ending is an independent one where a specialized and diplomatic courier forms ties with factions best suited towards civilization building, like the Followers, Kings, and Westside.

>>725774929
seethe axe chucker

>>725788996
But you can do all that while siding with House?

>>725788996
yeah I think it's nice that NV has the headcanon faction that lets you do basically whatever you want

>>725789136
You can pretty much become the second Caesar if you want, Followers background and all. It's like pottery, it rhymes.

>>725767629
>im defending pedos because a pedo i mean trump told me to
sis?

>>725789117
I might also do that, haven't decided yet as this is still an ongoing game at the moment.

>>725765539
>Sorry, "we never asked because he didn't say he would but we still totally cared" is not a compelling rebuttal.
but Im a trump supporter

>>725775761
Beyond Based

I give House what he wants, he gives me an assaultron girlfriend. Everyone's happy.

what was little st james like in the fallout universe. did dr house go there.

>>725788996
followers loyalties lie in the west with the ncr
they basically enable ncr's expansion
harboring them is a recipe for disaster

>>725792106
The ones loyal to the NCR broke off the from the Followers and formed the Office of Science and Industry. They're two completely separate entities now.

>>725757764 (OP)
This game literally doesn't even have a story.

>>725757764 (OP)
Yes. You WILL show me respect or I WILL kill you.

>>725774387
>Services
And what services is he providing?
>protection!!!
From who? Oh yeah, from his giant robot army that he will destroy you with if you don't fall in line.

>>725778246
Negative media/philosophical/political/literary/general literacy.

>>725757764 (OP)
>mfw I betray everyone except the pretty chicks

>>725763951
I did, and since he didn't, I'm now asking your guy, the guy who said he'd release the files but is now screeching that they're a hoax.

>>725769886
As time passes the Legion sounds more like the correct one ngl

>>725794392
I don't see you maintaining a power grid, rebuilding an economy, or using a missile defense force to defend the area from nukes

>>725759190
Agreed, he believed mankind wasn’t that retarded

Gamebryo/Creation Fallout is shit, and threads like these are proof enough.

>>725778939
I'm sure your masters are paid very handsomely to make you think they're "literally me fr fr" internet nobodies and not part of some psyop branch.

>>725773220
I think every American president alive is a war criminal that should be treated as such

>>725775761
>>725790282
>>725776040
based
you guys ready to slot into the pods? i heard bug protein is better than meat actually according to the experts
we need to feed our migrant workers

>>725760447
>the courier can kill him easily

Why do people use this as an own? Everyone in the game can be easily killed by the courier.

>>725759190
He's bad because... He just IS ok?

>>725793892
I’m literally playing new vegas right now talking to this guy and he mentions the NCR is facing “mass starvation in ten years”

Why are people mad at the show having the ncr collapse

>>725802289
People are mad at the show for making House look like a total retard

He's bad because he assumed someone with brain damage was actually going to be an asset to him.

>>725802487
House is a mega retard though when the game begins he literally has lost to fucking Benny

>>725779201
>fanfiction is canon now

>>725802715
You just had to say you've never played FNV sister

>>725802813
Is this chatGPT?

>>725802909
Ironic rolflmao

>>725802289
Because it was executed extremely poorly with no connection to the previous games, just a handwave and a vault that shouldn't exist having nukes they shouldn't have. Hildern was also totally full of shit and only feeding you that line to get you to help. His whole quest is just him bullshitting you about what's actually going on, and nobody else says the NCR is under imminent threat of famine except him. Not Chief Hanlon not any other scientists just him. He's totally full of shit. wj

>have the chance to rule the wastes
>let someone else do it

Anyone who didn't pick courier ending is actually a cuckold

>>725803862
But you said Hanlon was also full of shit

>/v/ has been claiming for months that New Vegas is completely destroyed in the show based off a shitty far away screencap
>Trailer shows it's literally in the same condition as it is in the games
Do the naysayers get tired of always being wrong?

>>725759912
He's literally Howard Hughes you underage retard.

>>725757764 (OP)
>Gullible retards actually think Vegas machine man overload is gonna get mankind into the stars a century from the games events rather than just make only Vegas a better place for retards to give their bottlecaps to him for all of eternity
He's gotta go for the world to uniroically progress

>>725806318
Hildern, not Hanlon

>>725775429
I assume the legion fell to civil war, but there's the one theory out there that there was never a real Lanius and that Lanius is just a title and a mask passed around. So the new Lanius is the new leader of the legion post civil war and we did see someone in NCR combat armor in the trailer

>>725806839
>le greedy man just want bottlecap! He not improve industry or raise standard of living for entire sphere of influence, employees and customers!
Childish. Grow up.

>House is bad because he's a dictator!!!
In a post apocalyptic world in order to rebuild and thrive again, dictatorship with a benevolent leader like House is the only choice.

>>725806567
There's a deathclaw on the strip, the kings are feral ghouls, and Freeside looks even worse than when we left it and it was shit then

Unironic Legion supporters need to be thrown in a wood chipper

>>725757764 (OP)
He's bad because I want to be god-king of Vegas in his place.
>noooo you don't have the right you're just a dumb plebeian and even if you usurp the systems House has already setup you'll fuck it up because you're not a genius like him
Don't care. Might makes right, and I coofed in his cuck chamber.

>>725757764 (OP)
He's gross and old

>>725776634
I mean it makes sense considering the legion is just a bunch of tribetards collected by caesar. There's no reason for them to stick around if he or lanius are dead. Legion assimilation isn't 100%, especially for any new tribes

>wrangle wasteland retards and do post-apocalyptic paperwork for the rest of your life
vs
>fuck around doing drugs and fucking bitches in suite all day while House does all the work
>become immortal and get robopenis sucked
Doesn't seem like a bad deal.

>>725809020
Based AND cybernetically enhanced. You’re telling me I get luxury, immortality, and a personal army of chrome death machines keeping raiders and mutants off my lawn-all for the low, low cost of pretending to read House’s mission statements once a quarter? Sign me the fuck up. Let the NCR drown in bureaucracy and let the Legion cannibalize itself, I’m chilling with my Securitrons and 24/7 hot tub access.

>>725760447
His plan is too idealistic, outlandish even by Fallout standards. If he proposed a space program to harvest planets for resources and terraform others before the Great War then maybe he would have a plan. But right now the world is too fucked up or chaotic, resources need to be conserved or rediscovered in some fashion and people need to adapt. The fact that 2/3 mafia families in the game are working against him or engaging in cannibalism also isn’t helping things.

>>725809303
His plan includes everything you want as a prelude to space. The families don't matter after he gets his army, he doesn't need them anymore.

>>725796012
Don't bother explaining it to morons like these. They feel entitled to all of that creation, but hate the methods that are used to create it. He actually had the gall to ask what services House is providing. They don't recognize any service that isn't a bread line and other gimmiedats.

>>725765539
>Claims non-sequiter
>commits Whataboutism

>>725765259
Cool. Your base is being ripped apart at the realization that your orange nigger raped kids. LOL

>>725757764 (OP)
>He fell for the "imma send humanity to the stars"
He is going to send the ELITE to the starts if he ever got that far.
Your dirty peasant ass will be left behind.

>>725811769
Who are the "elite?" House, me, and Trudy?

>>725811626
Congrats, you just outed yourself as a terminally online schizo screaming into the void about politics on a thread about a goddamn 15 year old video game. Nobody cares about your orange man trauma, we’re here arguing over whether a preserved mummy with a tower fetish can rebuild civilization, not your deranged CNN fanfic. Seek help.