Thread 725762886

Name a shittier level design trick in gaming

>>725762886 (OP)
Invisible walls justified in game with a few small objects.

>>725762886 (OP)
empty hallways that lead to nothing and only exist to waste your time and make the area seem big

Squeezing through a tight space to hide loading the next area.

>>725762886 (OP)
>There's a fucking apocalypse and there are monsters everywhere but I need a key for this fucking door so I can enter the correct way instead of just jumping in through the nearby window

>>725762886 (OP)
Post one door that looks like this in DS1, 2, or 3.

>fuckhuge chest
>+15 coins

>>725763352
That's kino though

>upper level area you can fall off from but survive
>it has only one path to get back up that requires large amounts of backtracking because the area you can fall from is on the other end of the path to get up

>>725762886 (OP)
I hate those lies of p doors that look the same on both sides. Waste so much time trying to open them.

Way being blocked by a shallow pile of rubble that could be easily climbed over

The worse one is literally
>Oh yeah there's an elevator here but you can't use it right now because you have to go to the other end to "activate" it first

>reddit filename
how about posting an actual example or two, OP? or better yet, go back and stay where you got your faggy maymay.

>>725763704
There's simply too many to pick just one.

>>725762886 (OP)
Skyrim how every single dungeon has a quick exit like 10 feet away from the treasure room

>>725763352
>>725763923
For me, its stepping through a portal that fills the screen with a psychedelic, 2001 a space odyssey style visual effect to both simulate being teleported and hide a load screen.

>>725762886 (OP)
It's not the best way but it is a pretty solid way of gating the player from sequence breaking while keeping the world interconnected and with shortcuts.

>>725764139
Post the very first one you remember.

>>725762886 (OP)
The roadblock in DS2 was one of the most retarded things ever and while I liked Khazan and its level design they did there the very same. A knocked over bookshelf a huge ass warrior could just walk over? NOPE GOTTA FIND A WAY AROUND IT.

>>725764139
And I asked for just one.

gate locking is the omst essentail game design for any "open-world" game. Like what do you expect, you're able to explroe everywhere all at once and die to much more powerful enemies?

>>725763468
>you even fight toe to toe with said apocalyptic monsters but can't break down a simple door

>>725764310
Erm erm.... errrrrmnnmm... let's just continue the thread, mkay??

>can kill literal gods and demons and angels and all kinds of mystical beats
>lol you need a key to get through that door

>>725763704
there are a couple in ds2 but the doors are breakable

>>725763923
It's way overused these days. And I'd rather just walk down a longer hallway or something than the annoying slow-walking or crouchwalk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyD9BeFFTw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8B_rMgQts8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WuVmq5osc
Post 1 (ONE) example from any of these videos.

>>725762886 (OP)
>stuck in a jail cell
>the bars are much wider than your character
was it really so hard to just make the bars closer together?

I prefer that to being able to go anywhere and having no level design.

>>725762886 (OP)
>(You) cannot go that way.

>>725764707
You have to be a philosopher to understand it

That's 90% of adventure games.

>>725764310
>>725764329
i don't know how you expect me to pick just one out of literally countless examples

DS2 annoyed me with how many times you dropped down a knee-high or even ankle-high ledge that you then just couldn't get back on

>>725763704
I remember there's one in Huntsman's Corpse. But I don't remember exactly what it did I just remember there's a door there with an item or something inside?

>>725764884
yeah this one is bullshit too

>>725764798
BECAUSE KEY DON'T TASTE GOOD

>>725764872
Pick RANDOMLY

>>725763704
I also remember that there's one door in the Forest of Fallen Giants that's a shortcut to the boss room.

>>725763295
Game has no jump function though

>>725764872
pick ANY

>>725764559
Since the games are fantasy and do not real life laws, the doors are made of indestructium. A fantasy metal that cannot be destroyed, even by a force that coust shatter an entire planet.

>>725764872
I told you to post the very first occurence of it happening that you can remember you illiterate retard (you can't remember a single one).

>>725764798
The key isn't going anywhere. Why not eat the bread first?

>>725764774
>Sorry there is a Black Out
>white woman immediately beelines for it

>>725765005
>>725765075
>>725765097
i have one picked out and ready to post but i'm starting to feel really sleepy...

>>725765156
kek

>>725762886 (OP)
>NO! I can't jump over that! I need to walk around it!
for christ sake chris

>>725765185
Sleep well bro, we're gonna wait

>>725765298
forgot pic

>>725763704
There's that one door in that green place with the wild man enemies that's locked but there's a pile of rubble like 5 feet to the right you could realistically just step over

>>725764682
ds1 at 32:25, the door in that room looks like you could put your hand through the bars and open the latch in the other side.

>>725763704
You won't get one since it doesn't exist in any Souls game. OP's image is more complaining about Bethesda games if anything.

>>725763923
No you don't understand YouTube man said it's the worst thing ever

>>725765156
funny

>>725764798
I don't get it.

>>725765626
To be fair, the Shrine of Winter isn't a door but an actual magical seal.

>>725764324
>DS2
damn, all these petrified people made sure to stand right in front of a doorway or lever..........every single time! shit starts to feel like the level designers were having a giggle

>>725764798
He is actually outside the cell

>>725765457
>>725765326
>>725765097
>>725765075
>>725765005
>>725764682
>>725764329
>>725764119
>>725763704
>Low IQ autists don't understand that memes are often exaggerated versions of reality
Imagine taking silly bullshit posted online so seriously that you start "fact checking" memes lmao what a fucking loser

>>725766117
ok but where the reality doe?

>>725766117
NOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE FUN OF MIYAZAKI HE'S A GENIUS

>>725762886 (OP)
this is just resident evil

>>725766198
Maybe you need to actually play the games if you've never seen "door does not open from this side" in your playthrough

>>725765298
resident evil is the king of busywork. remember that door knob that breaks after like three uses for no reason other than to waste your time?

>>725762886 (OP)
I don't remember this from any souls game.
Might have seen it in some other games though, but I can't put my finger on one.

>>725765156
whitewomanbros what the FUCK

>>725766384
god damn that shit was so infuriating
>wesker: oh, hey chris. I had some free time so I fixed the door knob

>>725762886 (OP)
>kill enemy
>can't use weapon
or
>weapons laying around in room you are fighting in
>cant use them

>>725765626
This isn't even a good one. In the same area there's like a knee-high pile of rubble that stops you for the first ~half of the game. To be fair, DS2 is a colossally dogshit game where most people don't even remember or even mention said pile of rubble. Game is full of garbage everywhere anyway so it doesn't stand out.

>>725765110
conversely why not free yourself, then eat the bread?

>>725762886 (OP)
This one pissed me off

>>725767441
oh shit I completely missed that area lol
I just forgot about it and never came back

>>725762886 (OP)
obviously it only opens one way otherwise it would clip into the step are you retarded or something?

>>725767664
this retard doesn't know the concept of pulling

>>725763923
are you retarded? in a few years on pc the load time would be 1s and now you're stuck with unskippable 10 seconds squeezing instead

>>725765185
I've screencapped the OP and your posts, as well as bookmarked the archive links. The next time you make this dogshit thread I will hold you accountable.

>>725762886 (OP)
>Game has gate.
>Can't go through because my character is 1 inch taller than the gate.
>Can't crouch.
>Need to find another way than the wide open gate.

>game locks you out of the area that you just came from
fuck you very much

So many newfags in here that don't remember when there wasn't any inner-world justification at all and the devs would literally just use a textureless invisible wall.

>>725768112
>his janny application got rejected
LOL

>game is made in Japan
>everyone autistically follows all rules so no one just smashes the gate open or walks around it
>americans play it
>immediately think to solve the problem

In universe Black Iron Tarkus was the only one smart enough to just smash a fucking window and try that. So he came from the in universe version of America and everyone else hails from autism retard land.

This is the actual reason. To a Jap, a gate meant to be opened only one way WILL be opened that way, stupid fucking gaijin.

>>725764357
>Like what do you expect, you're able to explroe everywhere all at once and die to much more powerful enemies?
yes? just come back later

>>725762886 (OP)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and locking literal battle mechanics that are required to beat end game bosses for 80% of the game so you barely have time to learn how to use it correctly.

>>725768112
>Waifu pajeet when gaming jokes are made on gaming board.

>>725766091
>the keyhole and handle for the cell are on the inside
kek

>>725762886 (OP)
I love glitching out of maps, so many games throw invisible walls everywhere now or do that stupid 'return to the battle field you have 10 seconds before we blow you up'. No I don't want to follow your tasteless linear path by force to trigger a scripted event.

Or playing RPGs and enemies don't drop what they're equipped with when they're dead.

Or shooting games that make ammo very rare on harder difficulties when you're expected to pull a Mile High Club-tier achievement every time.

>>725762886 (OP)
BotW's weapon breaking.
>but it encour-
No shut the fuck up. The Master Sword "recharging" is genuinely one of the most retarded, tone deaf, immersion breaking horse shit I have ever had to experience.

>>725762886 (OP)
Post a single part in the game that does this

>>725762886 (OP)
it do be like dat

>>725764163
I never got the complaint about this. Do you really want to have to back track through the entire empty dungeon, or can you suspend your disbelief just for a tiny bit so you can use the one way exit back that doesn't waste your time?

>>725768981
>Post a single part in the game that does this
?
Are you mentally retarded?

>>725762886 (OP)
Try jumping one meter up in real life and you'll know why it makes sense.

>>725769314
>t. fatty who has never climbed anything in his life

>>725768539
>required to beat end game bosses
> 80% of the game
No, retard-kun.

>>725762886 (OP)
Insurmountable waist high fence.

>>725769314
Place your arms on the ledge, then jump and pull yourself up with the arms at the same time.
If you have weak arms, step back a few meters, then charge and use the momentum alongside the jump and pulling yourself up.
I can pull myself up two meters like this.

>>725769314
I wouldn't even jump that, just climb around the door from the steps

>>725762886 (OP)
literally 10 seconds into Bloodbourne

>>725764559
The protagonist is a law abiding citizen.

>>725768941
OP's post is about level design, not individual game mechanics.

>>725762886 (OP)
>dungeon has a floor trap that makes you fall several floors down but the dungeon is so fucking boring and devoid of good loot that the trap is literally a shortcut to skip most of the pointless filler and go straight to the boss fight

You're right the stair case needs to magically appear

Did anyone post the Silent Hill wheelchair one? That one was gold.

>>725764092
Don't mind so much if they actually have some story/lore reason as to why it wasn't working and how you being at the other end actually fixed it. Even just shit in the gears is sufficient.

>>725762886 (OP)
>a mysterious invisible force prevents you from entering the area
>kill area boss
>invisible force is gone
>youtube video: the genius environmental storytelling of [GAME]

>>725762886 (OP)
>Video game has a door
>Go through door
>The door led to India
>The door closes, locks and magically vanishes afterwards
>You are trapped in India now forever.

>>725767441
world tendency in general was kind of dogshit, and basically impossible to play around without meta knoweldge thanks to being online skewing everyone's WT one way or another, though in my case it was almost always white

>>725770695
WT only works as an offline mechanic. I kinda wish Insight from BB could have been more like a controlled version of WT.

i hate blacks humor

>>725770980
the singular credit I will ever give to the Demon's Souls demake is the removal of online world tendency. it really is the one and only thing they got right in that

>>725764324
Lies of P is actually worse. P, multiple times, ends up punching open large, heavy, metal doors that are locked, but the flimsy little doors that could short cut through a large portion of the level, nope.

>>725768750
>darnn
>should of leveled int

>>725764798
>escapes
>the guard filming this beats the shit out of him and throws him back in
philosophers btfo

>>725772036
is this a ben garrisson about how nerds can't pull bitches?

>>725772231
soulless / soul

>>725762886 (OP)
Shit like this is why I respect games that let you brute force locked doors with things like explosives or other weapons. I think there needs to be a good reason why you can’t go through certain doors. Even if that reason is them somehow being barricaded from the other side.

>>725763352
That’s a great way to hide loading times though. MGS3 did a similar thing with its ladder and it’s iconic despite just being 2 minutes of holding forward.

>>725763152
SMT V has these in its dungeons. You can even see on the map that there's nothing there because treasure is marked. It's like they were trying to emulate older SMT design but forgot that they removed random encounters so these little detours do nothing. They don't even work aesthetically they're just dead ends in hallways.

>>725762886 (OP)
>>725763704
>>725764324
It's hilarious how people apply real life """logic""" to fake pixel worlds. "oh my god i need a key to open this door instead of blowing it up!" Well, try to blow it up using the bomb in your inventory. It won't work. Fuck you.

>>725771558
That reminds me, anyone has that vid of Cloud where he's cutting down giant metal vehicles with ease in an fmv cutscene but just ineffectively bangs his sword against a door in-game?

>>725763152
fucking Curse of Darkness

>>725768183
That was mostly just a 7th gen shooter thing. Usually games put contextualised boundaries in place. The only exception is in open world games where they’ll put an invisible wall at the map boundaries because the game has to end somewhere.

>>725762886 (OP)
I always found funny how in games like these you're slaying world ending gods but you're often stopped by some dingy rusted door

>>725762886 (OP)
Genuinely, tell me why this wouldn't work

>>725763152
I am reminded of that weird Creepy Castle pedestal in DK64 that serves no purpose

>>725762886 (OP)
I love Silksong but man did it really need 70 one way shortcuts

>>725767664
DS2 has a door before King's Passage with a round top in front of a short corridor that is shaped just like that door. Due to its design it should only open towards you but instead you open it just like every other one and the top half simply clips into the walls.

>>725772470
>MGS3 did a similar thing with its ladder and it’s iconic
It's iconic for being horrible

my ultra greatsword should be allowed to break every door

>>725773108
how fat are you

>>725762886 (OP)
I love how you can't open the Blighttown gate from the other side even with the key because there is only one animation for opening large doors.

>>725773501
Answer my question.

>>725772470
>That’s a great way to hide loading times though. MGS3 did a similar thing with its ladder and it’s iconic despite just being 2 minutes of holding forward.
No, it isn't. Just let me sit through the loading screen that's like 2 seconds long instead of watching a 15 seconds long animaiton.

>>725763295
nigger mentality
>sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiit imma gon climb da fence
>*smacks lips*

>wooden box that can be easily climbed is blocking the entrance
>MC: I guess this is game over... :'(

>>725769314
lose some fat, fatty

>>725763152
honestly i really, really like the early mmo world design of "our game could possibly have thousands of players so we need to design big spaces for them" and you end up with gigantic spaces in cities that are just completely void of anything
i just think it's neat they had that kind of vision

>>725773639
Don't be racist

>>725773596
One is immersion breaking and the other isn’t. The latter is the more popular solution because its more stylised and keeps you in the game.

I think the only solution more elegant than that is games that are broken up into areas with room transitions, but that isn’t suitable for certain types of games.

>>725773639
yeah im gonna obey the rules in fucking silent hill

>>725762886 (OP)
what do you mean shitty design that's how doors work

>>725764139
MOO DENGGGGGGGG

I've never played any of these games and I never will and it's primarily (You)r fault.

I think backtracking is a cool design philosophy and I’m tired of pretending otherwise

>>725762886 (OP)
>my mom will die if I step on a grey tile
>my mom will die if I step on a grey tile
>my mom will die if I step on a grey tile
>my mom wi- NOOOOOOO

>>725773838
nigger

>>725765156
Kek

>>725773903
No, there's nothing not-immersion breaking about a character having to irregularly squeeze through cracks in walls and caves that just so happen to be big enough for him to fit in. The illusion is no longer there. I know why I have to suffer through this and I no longer want to.

>>725765156
why are poojeets laughing so hard at this

>>725774014
*closes door*
Stay out, faggot

>>725769164
Anon, are you retarded? Did you really not get the original picture?

>>725774292
nigga mad cause his post didnt get any (You)s

>>725765156
This poster worships an idol someone found covered in cow shit.

someone post the broken locked door from fallout 3

>>725765156
Fuck you I laughed

>>725774407
They already did.

IIRC, it’s the only door in the entire game that’s like that. So I have to wonder if making it a Very Hard lock was an intentional joke put in by the devs.

>>725765156
Kalosissies our response?

>>725762886 (OP)
>demons souls is STILL the only souls game with climbable ledges
why did the souls games regress in this regard,

>>725775568
speed runners are not normal and should not be a factor to justify the dogshit that is ds2.

>>725775868
Sekiro had actual platforming (probably because playing as a ninja who couldn’t platform would be dumb), only for them to regress back to the dogshit DaS platforming in Elden Ring. Miyazaki games aren’t even remotely consistent.

>>725765034
Even if it does there's an invisible wall.

>>725772589
I dont mind locked doors as much as knee height pile of dirt acting as wall.

>>725763923
You're right it's a fucking moviegame.

>>725762886 (OP)
>Loading screen let's you train combos
>Loading time too short to execute combos

>>725776509
It's literally the same thing, no less arbitrary than a door.

>>725776342
what are you talking about Elden Ring's jump functions entirely differently than the dark souls versions of the jump. the upper part of stormveil you can climb would be impossible to navigate in DaS

>>725776509
It's literally the same thing, no MORE arbitrary than a locked down door.
fuck my ESL life...

>>725776574
Doors at least have the excuse of either being reinforced, or having an MC who doesn’t want to break an enter on someone else’s property. Knee high rubble doesn’t have the same excuse.

>>725776840
Your character can't climb in Dark Souls 2, though. Knee high rubble is enough to stop him and it's in accordance with the game's mechanics.

>>725776660
No it's not. If there is supposed to be a wall make it a wall. I wouldn't even mind if it's some magic barrier but when I have a character that can jump up high while attacking getting blocked by a bit of rubble that's nothing to walk over then it's just bad map design. I think the only thing worse are invisible walls.

>>725765156
KEEEEEEEEEEK HOLY KEEEEEEEEEEEK I LOVE BBC BROS!!!!

>>725762886 (OP)
A recent offender for me is Silent Hill f. In the village, you can be blocked by a small van in the middle of the road while you could easily get around it. Also Japanese paper doors that even Hinako could break down to enter...

>>725762886 (OP)
>knee high wooden fence
>can't get past it
>it's not even out of bounds, you're supposed to go to the other side, but you have to spend 15 minutes going around to get there

>>725763704
FROMniggers are such faggots. Kill yourself for allowing shit games to get away with terrible design

>>725776530
I think this one is funny in dragon's dogma
>opening loading screen gives you all your character's background information
>on PS3 you had enough time to read the thing
>on all the ports it loads the game in less than 2 seconds and you can't

>>725764310
>Post the very first one you remember

Level 12

>>725763704
>Erm, is that a meme? Yeahhh im gonna need a source for that
YWNBAW

>>725765096
>Why aren't the bosses wearing it then?
>Because they used it all making gates.

>>725774131
It's never bad if it has fun movement. Something games always miss with it.

>>725763152
Goldeneye got praised for this

>>725774131
It is cool if there are smart shortcuts

>>725763923
It is kino, and I'm tired of pretending it's not

>>725764774
No you don't understand, it's a "Black out". His name's Black, he has to stay out. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hilbert_(game)#Names

>>725779140
Did you delete my post so you could steal my joke?

>>725766503
Say what you will about Z-A but you can finally light the shrubs on fire.

>>725779260
maybe I did, maybe I didn't

>>725773639
I am reminded of the great sardine canning incident of South Korea where every white person in the crowd just climbed up onto eaves and awnings and light poles, and the Koreans got crushed to death because climbing is illegal.

>>725767267
it doesn't matter how dirty or germy the key gets, it will still be a key. The bread won't be food if it's left in the dirt long enough

>>725778654
standards were lower back then.
Goldeneye is a horrendous game nowadays, and every truth-telling anon here would choose the latest Cod over it.

>game has romance options
>all of them are traps because they'll all either cheat on you and/or develop mental illness and ruin your character's life right when you think you've got everything figured out

>>725764872
By picking one.

>>725763152
for me it's long empty hallways that lead to one-way doors, either locked on your side or leading to an area you've already been and will never go back to

>>725769314
How fucking short are you that you can't step up there?

>>725764559
>game has lockpicking mechanic
>every lock required for the story is always unpickable so you're forced to get the key anyway

>>725763923
How the fuck is it kino you retarded ape? It's console shittery because it used to take them 10 years to load the next level.
>normal game
>has 20 second load time for next level
>technology advances, I now have an m2 SSD
>game can now load the same level in 1 second

>game with "loading screen disguised as squeezing through a gap" segment
>takes 20 seconds to squeeze through
>technolgy advances, I now have an m2 SSD
>it still takes 20 seconds to "load" the next level because its gatekept by the speed of the squeezing
It is genuinely the single worst thing in vidya, because no amount of technological advancement can fix it

>sealed cave for hundreds of years
>lit torches

>>725780875
>chest from an ancient forgotten empire has coins in modern denominations every vendor just accepts as-is

>>725780875
>sealed cave for gorillion years
>current day currency

>>725763352
The "slow walk while Raiden has a codec conversation" load screens in MGR piss me the fuck off. At least on 360 you could fucking see the world in slow as fuck in front of you in real time, when you play the game on PC everything blatantly loads in like 2 seconds but you have to wait a minute anyway.

>>725780819
Anybody got the link with all of these comics?
I've lost mine

>>725773596
You would be a lot more butthurt if it was just a black screen with "now loading" for 2 minutes

>>725775868
Reminds me of a video I seen that really puts it into perspective on how useful a climb feature would have been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1AZejhF6ks

>get to door
>"manual override required"
>half to run halfway across the world to an unrelated area to push a button that opens it
how about if i turn the knob or push the button the door opens?

>>725781301
We no longer have 2 minutes long loading screens though, and the tight space gimmick is relatively modern, abused mostly by modern videogames running on high speed SSDs.

>>725780982
>jery get ipad

>>725773639
I am a wigger yes

>>725773639
When you're being ripped apart by the zim zams you can die smiling knowing at least you weren't a nigger

I honestly don't remember nothing that was that overt, but it was never something that really bothered me, as long as it well comunicated to the player that you may not pass. It's onnly a problem insofar as you're wondering if you're doing something wrong and you think you might be able to pass through it.
I understand that indeed it is stupid, and it's preferable if they should find something that looks like a believable barrier, but I'm mostly concerned with game logic and not too autistic about having something not look realistic, it never really mattered to me, maybe because my first games on the 80s were all pretty abstract looking to bein with and the barriers were just amorphous color blocks or something.

>Please wait a while before making a post
Man this is getting really irritating, when will moot fix this retarded posting system. Is this shit even random or what? Somedays I even get 10m timeouts before I am able to start posting. not to mention the fucking captchas that are getting more ridiculous, probably to fight a single autistic poster.

>>725772551
It's almost as if dungeons are supposed to resemble labyrinths.

>>725779721
It was ONE white dude.

>>725769069
They could just you know, add a fucking exit at the end of the dungeon if the game engine wasn't spaghetti mess that would crash if every dungeon had one

>>725779140
>>725779260
>>725779434

>>725764092
Actually justified. Elevators go to the ground floor and shut down when there is a fire in the building.

>>725762886 (OP)
An area in my town had one of these, I think it was a mission (basically a century+ year old Spanish outpost), and I "snuck" over it by simply climbing the uncovered steps behind it, then ran to the top. It was the most my heart had ever beat in my life at that point, as though my juvenile brain saw immediate, effortless dopamine by breaking the rules. Like seeing $5 on a counter and no one is around, because there was 0 challenge in getting around the barrier and yet so much reward.

>>725783742
>. It was the most my heart had ever beat in my life at that point, as though my juvenile brain saw immediate, effortless dopamine by breaking the rules
Hah, that's pretty interesting something like that can have an effect on a kid. How old were you?

>>725770980
I played Demon's Souls completely online. But the game was dead by then so I could get the WT I wanted.

>>725784873
>>725770980
It's obviously just there to torture you then, you should be able to just jump over that stupid little wall. They began with the humiliation rituals really soon in the series.

>>725772036
based larson always hits

>>725772036
>Be me in highschool
>me and my friends sit in the open outdoor area next to a big wall of glass doors
>they only opened one way
>we would always hang signs saying "Push" on the wrong side and just laugh because, without fail, it would just be a conga line of people running face first into the door.

>>725762886 (OP)
"be like" meme posters should unironically be permanently banned from internet access.
I hope you have a shitty weekend.

>>725786502
You finally beat Cornpop once and for all, jack.

>>725764798
The cell is mental, and of his own making. Bread is slop entertainment, meager nourishment that lets him barely survive, psychically speaking. The key is barely within his reach, yet he pretends otherwise.

>Something blocking a path
>Instead of moving it out of the way, player character goes "Aw shucks, looks like I'll have to find another way!"

>>725763704
Every single branch of yore statue in DS2

>>725773639
kek

>>725775568
DS2 had the best DLC out of all the souls titles

>>725763152
>when you get remade with a minimap and quick map check that shows you the exits so you can know the correct routes automatically

>>725762886 (OP)
niggrr

Pretty much any invisible wall that blocks an area that looks otherwise accessible.