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Anonymous No.725800938 [Report] >>725801312 >>725801683 >>725801704 >>725802068 >>725802231 >>725802735 >>725806075 >>725807197 >>725807390 >>725807514 >>725807754 >>725807950 >>725808407 >>725811637 >>725812702 >>725813785 >>725815096 >>725822090
Make a Guess
Is this a jap mecha or a western mech? It’s from a video game, at least.
Anonymous No.725801110 [Report] >>725801342
clearly jap
Anonymous No.725801312 [Report] >>725810003 >>725811779 >>725824483
>>725800938 (OP)
Its from Armored Core V, the shittest Armored Core game and a huge stain on an otherwise perfect series
Anonymous No.725801342 [Report] >>725801696 >>725801996 >>725807593 >>725809187 >>725809269 >>725809486 >>725811869 >>725813042 >>725813547 >>725817654 >>725822415 >>725822656
>>725801110
How could you tell?
Anonymous No.725801458 [Report] >>725801534 >>725801657 >>725801683 >>725802292 >>725807197 >>725807593 >>725808041
What about this one?
Anonymous No.725801534 [Report] >>725802250
>>725801458
Clearly Battletech
Anonymous No.725801617 [Report] >>725802193 >>725803165 >>725815130
>Armored Core V, the shittest Armored Core game
I played V more than Farts of Poopicon
Anonymous No.725801657 [Report]
>>725801458
Also that is from the tabletop, keep it vidya OP.
Anonymous No.725801683 [Report] >>725802250
>>725800938 (OP)
having played Armored Core 2 and Armored Core 6, my first thought seeing this was "looks like an Armored Core design"

>>725801458
looks western
>filename
yup, it checks out
Anonymous No.725801696 [Report]
>>725801342
because it looks cool and menacing
Anonymous No.725801704 [Report] >>725801816 >>725802023
>>725800938 (OP)
There's a good chance that's a nip's. Western mech usually don't have a hand, usually just a gun stapled right to an arm.
Anonymous No.725801816 [Report] >>725802023
>>725801704
They also usually have gigantic feet if they have legs instead of treads
Anonymous No.725801901 [Report] >>725807487
uziel is the best western mech. both the ppc and ac versions are aesthetically pleasing. most other western mechs are either bloated with pointless weapons or look retarded
Anonymous No.725801996 [Report]
>>725801342
Because it doesn't look like dogshit.
Anonymous No.725802006 [Report] >>725802204 >>725807335
Anonymous No.725802023 [Report] >>725802162 >>725802204 >>725802221 >>725802295 >>725807335
>>725801704
>>725801816
Alright then, how's this one?
Anonymous No.725802030 [Report] >>725802626 >>725807905 >>725808109 >>725810286
Anonymous No.725802068 [Report] >>725809680
>>725800938 (OP)
>hand actuators are identical to human fingers
mecha 99% of the time
Anonymous No.725802162 [Report] >>725807014 >>725809680
>>725802023
>hands
Still Jap's.
Anonymous No.725802193 [Report]
>>725801617
Enjoy your 20 FPS.
Anonymous No.725802204 [Report]
>>725802023
Jap. Penis envy.
>>725802006
Also Jap
Anonymous No.725802221 [Report] >>725802438
>>725802023
UC Igloo, not from a game.
Anonymous No.725802231 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
cuba
Anonymous No.725802250 [Report] >>725802491
>>725801683
>>725801534
Anonymous No.725802292 [Report]
>>725801458
I got the joke anon
Anonymous No.725802295 [Report]
>>725802023
that face makes it 200% japanese
Anonymous No.725802438 [Report]
>>725802221
You were saying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXFdX58xWs
Anonymous No.725802491 [Report] >>725803450
>>725802250
Yeah, this was also Battletech 40 years ago, your point?
Anonymous No.725802626 [Report] >>725820251
>>725802030
It's pretty funny how, on the Japanese side, you see
>a fan render made by Indians
>a castle designed by westerners (Lords of Shadow)
>the same castle listed twice under different games, with both of those castles never actually being used in either game (Resident Evil 4 and DMC)
Anonymous No.725802735 [Report] >>725807273
>>725800938 (OP)
what mech is this?
a) jp
b) western
c) korean
Anonymous No.725803069 [Report] >>725811675
I feel like this isn't actually hard to figure out OP.
Like this MIGHT get some people but what else are you going to grab from? GNome?
Anonymous No.725803165 [Report]
>>725801617
you have shit taste
Anonymous No.725803450 [Report]
>>725802491
The joke is that a battle tech Warhammer is a Macross destroid tomahawk. That image is both at once.
Anonymous No.725804318 [Report] >>725807727
Anonymous No.725806075 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
Asian
Anonymous No.725807014 [Report] >>725807309 >>725809680
>>725802162
Five fingered human hands even. There's not much of a point emulating actual human hands if the whole point of the mech is combat.
Anonymous No.725807197 [Report]
>>725801458
>>725800938 (OP)
aren't these both jap
Anonymous No.725807273 [Report] >>725807335
>>725802735
I could tell that it was Korean because it looks like Cubix!
Anonymous No.725807309 [Report]
>>725807014
>There's not much of a point emulating actual human hands if the whole point of the mech is combat.
The point is for you to use those hands to grasp victory.
Anonymous No.725807335 [Report] >>725811792
>>725802023
monoeye gives it away as jap, gundam
>>725802006
reminds me of the command mech thing in patlabor so im gonna say jap
>>725807273
ngl i thougth that was also jap but i stand corrected
Anonymous No.725807390 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
Everyone recognizes 5th gen armored core. You've got to try harder than that
Anonymous No.725807487 [Report]
>>725801901
This but the puma
Anonymous No.725807514 [Report] >>725807796 >>725808364 >>725811848
>>725800938 (OP)
Looks like shit so def japanese.
Anonymous No.725807593 [Report] >>725807687
>>725801342
Proportions primarily. Many random parts are oversized in various ways for little reason, because this is a pretty irrelevant filler design and it was an easy way to make something different.
Also the size of the guns is pretty obvious and that's just how Japanese mechanical designers do greebling.
>>725801458
This bait worked far too well though
Anonymous No.725807687 [Report]
>>725807593
>Also the size of the guns is pretty obvious
Actually for more specificity, having highly oversized guns and then giving them no real support.
Anonymous No.725807727 [Report]
>>725804318
naisu
Anonymous No.725807754 [Report] >>725808364 >>725808374 >>725811460
>>725800938 (OP)
You would have had a better chance making people guess if you used something slightly more obscure like picrel, but even this one people will easily tell what it is and where its from.
Anonymous No.725807796 [Report]
>>725807514
>tfw no Titanfall 3
Feels bad man.
Anonymous No.725807885 [Report] >>725817017
how about a little bit of japanese chicken fried
Anonymous No.725807905 [Report]
>>725802030
>Age of Empires 2
I know the whole image is bait but that part truly gets me angry.
Anonymous No.725807950 [Report] >>725808119
>>725800938 (OP)
>make a guess
>Search image on Google
Anonymous No.725808041 [Report]
>>725801458
Japanese base design with western alterations? It's hard to tell where Macross ends and Battletech begins sometimes.
Anonymous No.725808109 [Report]
>>725802030
Left castles look comfy.
Anonymous No.725808119 [Report]
>>725807950
Bro really outsourced his guessing skills
Anonymous No.725808153 [Report] >>725808312 >>725808364 >>725808374 >>725820260
I don't know how to describe it, but I literally can always tell an Eastern mecha from a Western mech. You could literally show me an MT from early Armored Core and I'd clock it as Eastern before I'd think it came from any Battletech game. Something about the design theory that transcends the stereotypes people seem to associate with them always trends towards a particular stylized look that sticks out.
Anonymous No.725808312 [Report]
>>725808153
looks bushido
Anonymous No.725808364 [Report] >>725809752
>>725807514
looks western because of the legs and hands i think.
>>725807754
i legitimately can't tell for this one. leaning towards western tho
>>725808153
this is definitely jap. idk the arms and legs just immediately make me think jap.
Anonymous No.725808374 [Report]
>>725808153
That's just a wanzer my guy.
I already posted my "guess the mech" in >>725807754
Anonymous No.725808407 [Report] >>725809092 >>725809137
>>725800938 (OP)
Jap designs have something about their stance and posture that absolutely mogs. They know to focus the center of mass at the pelvis, which makes them appear more sturdy on the ground. Too many western designs give the suit a big burly bodybuilder chest that makes the legs look gimpy in proportion.
Anonymous No.725809092 [Report] >>725809164 >>725809168
>>725808407
So jap mechs are girly and west mechs are manly?
Anonymous No.725809137 [Report] >>725809298
>>725808407
Main thing Japanese tend to get wrong though is making the feet too thin and sharp. That stuff is going to dig into anything softer than solid stone.
Anonymous No.725809164 [Report]
>>725809092
He's saying that AC's fuck and Battlecucks have to pretend they're men by ignoring all of the Unseen designs and all of the derivatives that are still mainliners in Mechwarrior to this day.
Anonymous No.725809168 [Report]
>>725809092
No, he's saying that even when it comes to robots Americans skip leg day.
Anonymous No.725809187 [Report] >>725809763
>>725801342
Because it looks retarded, with around a dozen structural faults.
Anonymous No.725809269 [Report]
>>725801342
Because it actually looks cool.
Anonymous No.725809298 [Report]
>>725809137
It depends but I get what you mean. votoms has big chunky flat feet with little wheels on the bottom to skate on, i think shit like armored core varies. gundam varies too, I think they go for dainty pointy feet or high heels a lot of the time just because they want to make feminine or agile looking mechs that zip around in the sky/space. I'm pretty sure bad guys, esp the grunts, usually get big stompy feet more often
Anonymous No.725809486 [Report]
>>725801342
Because it looks ridiculous
Anonymous No.725809680 [Report]
>>725802068
>>725802162
>>725807014
I know of several different western mecha series where they have fingered human hands, and that includes battletech, titanfall, and heavy gear.


Anyway, japanese design encompasses all kinds of mecha. Americans tend to only make "american mecha" and this leads people to falsely think things like hands and glass cockpits are american designs. It's not, they just don't anything else as much.
It doesn't really matter though, I don't think.
Anonymous No.725809752 [Report]
>>725808364
>leaning towards western tho
it's actually Japanese. It's one of the two lesser known meganites in RAD thanks to everyone and their mom only posting Vavel.
Anonymous No.725809763 [Report] >>725810141 >>725810280 >>725810591
>>725809187
see you have fallen to the pitfall of western designs: try to make the design work as a machine. japanese designs don't focusing on making them work as a machine, they are designed to look like exoskeleton of the pilot, or a giant covered in heavy armor and machinery. that's why they usually have five fingers hands, a distinct head and face at the top, etc. they are not machines, they are the equivalent of knights in full plate armor.
Anonymous No.725810003 [Report]
>>725801312
I hate it too, literal hockey goalie AC designs, it is also butt ugly to look at visually
Terrible missions too, and the stupid rps damage system
Anonymous No.725810141 [Report] >>725810643 >>725813091
>>725809763
Yeah, I've figured as much.
Which is why, as a fan of machinery, I'm not that big of a fan of japanese mech designs.
I can't see them as large war machines, I see them as standard infantry playing war in a miniaturized city.
Anonymous No.725810280 [Report]
>>725809763
But then why is every western mech something that would fall over when deployed
Anonymous No.725810286 [Report]
>>725802030
>adding kingdom come deliverance castle
>it's a real fucking castle from a video game based on real history
I will now ignore the rest of your post because you're retarded
Anonymous No.725810591 [Report] >>725810887 >>725811848 >>725812658
>>725809763
Do western designs ever actually try to make the designs work or do they just assume that being boxy and slow=realistic? All the mech art I've seen with nitty-gritty detail on how shit works comes from japs.
Anonymous No.725810643 [Report] >>725810709 >>725811102 >>725822335
>>725810141
Jp mechs look functional. Western mechs are full of clearance issues. Its like every limb can barely move because its blocked by some shit or another
Anonymous No.725810709 [Report] >>725811875
>>725810643
>jp mechs look functional
lmao
Anonymous No.725810887 [Report] >>725811334
>>725810591
this is gothicmade isntit
Anonymous No.725811102 [Report] >>725811823 >>725811875 >>725812062
>>725810643
Jap mechs also have clearance issues. Some designs have a shit-ton of unneccesary shit dangling around their legs, the mech in OP's image literally has that same issue.

Another issue is that they only look functional if they were human-sized. In their actual size, a lot of designs would likely collapse under their own weight or have massive issues with the tiny joints constantly breaking from the strain.
Anonymous No.725811334 [Report]
>>725810887
Yeah
Anonymous No.725811460 [Report] >>725811727
>>725807754
I don't know where that one is from, but I'm willing to bet it's eleven's. Tall posture, the head, and the wheels. The wheels especially so, since that most likely means it transforms into a vehicle. Japs usually do rule of cool first before going MUH REALISTIC ROBOT
Anonymous No.725811597 [Report] >>725811657 >>725811695 >>725812934 >>725815328
Guess.
Anonymous No.725811637 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
It has arms and a head, it's obviously jaoanese
Anonymous No.725811657 [Report]
>>725811597
Shogo. Western game inspired by anime.
Anonymous No.725811675 [Report]
>>725803069
heavy gear
Anonymous No.725811695 [Report]
>>725811597
Chan, is Shogo a Japanese game or a western game?
Anonymous No.725811727 [Report] >>725811841
>>725811460
Correct.
Anonymous No.725811779 [Report]
>>725801312
the shittiest armored core game is still a pretty good game anon
Anonymous No.725811792 [Report]
>>725807335
ghost in the shell
Anonymous No.725811823 [Report] >>725811940 >>725812062 >>725812580
>>725811102
w
Anonymous No.725811828 [Report]
Anonymous No.725811841 [Report]
>>725811727
Radical.
Anonymous No.725811848 [Report] >>725811973 >>725812101 >>725812237 >>725812394 >>725814180
>>725810591
japanese designers may give you justifications (there are hydraulics/artificial muscles under the armor) to hold your suspension of disbelief, but those are after the fact justifications. they can never answer why a war machine needs to have five fingers like a human, or an exposed and articulating head like a human. because there is no good reason other than to make the design evokes an human image. western designs try to pretend they are feasible war machines and so they will cut those features out. look no further than >>725807514 to see western designers try to humanize a mech and the end result is still distinctly not mecha, because they are designing a war machine first then humanize it, as oppose to mecha that starts is the other way around.
Anonymous No.725811869 [Report]
>>725801342
Because there's only a handfull of western mechs and they all look like trash.
Anonymous No.725811875 [Report] >>725812032
>>725810709
>>725811102
if a fictional universe have giant robots, you can throw away structural integrity since it clearly already fixed it.

Jp designers generally have some engineer know how since most of the time their designs will get translated into model kits. Hence the need for parts to move properly.

Meanwhile mechs from battletech have the articulation of a dollarstore robot
Anonymous No.725811940 [Report]
>>725811823
I love you marauder catapult
Anonymous No.725811973 [Report]
>>725811848
>they can never answer why a war machine needs to have five fingers like a human
Redundancies to still have a finger for pulling the trigger on their guns. Duh.
Anonymous No.725812032 [Report] >>725812217
>>725811875
by this logic the mechs in 40k are the golden standard and everyone else is pretending to design good ones
Anonymous No.725812062 [Report] >>725812326 >>725812420
>>725811823
>>725811102
your mechs don't even look It can walk properly without clipping issues
Anonymous No.725812101 [Report]
>>725811848
Battletech was made using japanese designs that they then came up with their own justifications like myomer and neurohelms afterwards. Which also aren't the same as the original justifications that the original designs had, which is interesting. They literally did what you're saying in the most influential american mecha franchise.

Macross has alien supertech and dougram has few advanced computers or cameras due to weird solar radiation. This is why the glass cockpits, which battletech has always struggled to explain.
Anonymous No.725812114 [Report]
thicc > sticc
Anonymous No.725812217 [Report] >>725812420 >>725813268 >>725817976
>>725812032
considering 40k mechs are meant to be plastic models. They do have follow the jp standards. Look at this dreadnought. Guess what it has that all battletech mechs don't. Proper fucking hip articulation. Grandpa need all the mobility he needs to shank a motherfucker from a mile away.
Anonymous No.725812237 [Report] >>725812409
>>725811848
I do love it when mecha designers give their robots non-humanoid adapters. It's a bit of a shame that there's not too many of them.
Anonymous No.725812326 [Report] >>725812921
>>725812062
>look bro I picked an obscure transforming grunt from an anime that flopped so hard 50 people were watching it by the time it appeared and all the merchandise of the shit ugly mecha shelf warmed even though it was the most flagrant toy ad in decades, Japan btfo
Anonymous No.725812394 [Report] >>725812497 >>725812827
>>725811848
In the case of gundam mobile suits started as construction vehichles meant to emulate human movement and then as the series moved on they leaned towards psychic control setups that let the user move as if its their own body
A mobile suit can be used to manipulate and move things outside of battle where as all the battletech mechs can really to is drag shit about without a heavy refitting.
Anonymous No.725812409 [Report] >>725812491
>>725812237
Hear, hear!
Anonymous No.725812420 [Report] >>725812921 >>725813374
>>725812062
>>725812217
Not a fan of battletech either, I consider their design to be semi-jp due to their resemblance of humans, just like titanfall mechs.
Pic related is what I'd consider a westerm mech - it's just a walking tank. A rotating turret on a pair of legs.
Anonymous No.725812491 [Report]
>>725812409
Love the Fragile. Thing looks more like a really weird plane rather than a mech.
Anonymous No.725812497 [Report] >>725812827
>>725812394
And the behind the scenes reasoning for why mobile suits are humanoid is that in pre-production mobile suits were initially designed to be power armor. They scrapped that notion and turned them into the 40 foot mechs we have now.
Anonymous No.725812580 [Report] >>725813867
>>725811823
this design is so fucking retarded
Anonymous No.725812658 [Report]
>>725810591
Battletech again, but it's a crossroads of Western and Japanese design.
Anonymous No.725812702 [Report] >>725813129
>>725800938 (OP)
Daemon X Machina is 80% off, should I get it?
Anonymous No.725812827 [Report] >>725813371
>>725812497
They're humanoid because mecha series were all humanoid at the time. The power armor theme was briefly floated during development but dropped early on. There's no concept art for it or anything, for example. Every other show was also selling giant robot humans, including others the team had already worked on.
>>725812394
>psychic control setups that let the user move as if its their own body
That was never common in gundam. There's a handful of psychic-oriented suits but they all still have regular controls.
Anonymous No.725812921 [Report] >>725813053 >>725813129
>>725812326
not my fault nips stopped having good writers past 2000
>>725812420
that's because battletech mechs are just ripped off from pre existing jp mechs. except crudely copied.
and that thing sucks cause it's just a tank with lower firepower and lower durability.
Meanwhile the Amp suits are a good western mech design since it's all use vehicle that can be used for construction, logistics, and maintenance. And above all else protects it's pilot from the toxic environment it's in while still having human dexterity.
Anonymous No.725812934 [Report] >>725813045
>>725811597
>Guess.
Literally no one is fucking guessing, anyone who likes mechs knows fucking everything mech related. We froth this shit.
Anonymous No.725813042 [Report]
>>725801342
Legs are still too long for it to be a western mech. Western bipedal mech designs always tend to be top heavy.
Anonymous No.725813045 [Report]
>>725812934
>Literally no one is fucking guessing
Chat, pull out the Eastern vs. Western mecha image which is arguably the most effective bait image on 4chan for hits.
Anonymous No.725813053 [Report] >>725813432
>>725812921
>the Amp suits are a good western mech design
It's a votoms mech with a huge glass cockpit because a suit in the boardroom started crying when he thought he might not be able to see an actors face for .5 seconds.
Anonymous No.725813091 [Report] >>725814316
>>725810141
>I can't see them as large war machines
How the fuck do you see chicken walkers as war machines? They would barely be able to stand, let alone move, and they'd be so slow even a WW1 tank would be able to wreck its shit in seconds.
Eastern mechs work because they take the absurdity of giant robots and run with it. Giant robots are meant to be fun, a power fantasy, it needs fingers to make a fist to fucking punch with.
It's fine if you want to be thinking about the mech being structurally sound, but if you think something "looks retarded" because it's not attempting to be realistic then you CANNOT, EVER like any giant robot because NONE OF THEM would work in real life as actual war machines. Maybe you like the gritty, eggs with legs and guns for arms designs, I like them too, but please don't try to fool yourself into believing they're superior due to being functional designs.
Anonymous No.725813097 [Report] >>725813173 >>725813291 >>725813343 >>725813431 >>725814824 >>725815278
Anonymous No.725813129 [Report]
>>725812702
yes it's a good game
>>725812921
at least post the good looking mech from avatar
Anonymous No.725813132 [Report] >>725813412
Anonymous No.725813173 [Report]
>>725813097
Japanese, 100%.
Anonymous No.725813181 [Report] >>725815521
Anonymous No.725813268 [Report]
>>725812217
this is the most western design i ahve ever seen
Anonymous No.725813291 [Report] >>725813510
>>725813097
slai really took the kriegsmachine aesthetic and made it a lot more sensible.
Anonymous No.725813343 [Report]
>>725813097
looks like something Toriyama would design
Anonymous No.725813371 [Report] >>725813510 >>725814817 >>725814987
>>725812827
MS control schemes evolve from having to use joysticks and pedals like a man-shaped forklift to a Man-Machine Interface where they move with the user's movements. Something I wish was given more emphasis since those early suits like the Zaku II have to be pretty clunky in handling compared to a battlemech.
Anonymous No.725813374 [Report]
>>725812420
Man I miss 2142
Anonymous No.725813412 [Report]
>>725813132
juggies were cool. To bad they were so shit
Anonymous No.725813431 [Report] >>725813510
>>725813097
feels like ma.k but something feels a little off...
Anonymous No.725813432 [Report]
>>725813053
But the visibility! Think about the visibility!
Anonymous No.725813447 [Report]
Anonymous No.725813510 [Report]
>>725813291
It was a nice middleground before it gets too artscene looking and yokoyama became obsessed with skinny chicken walker legs and bloated torsos. Still a favorite of mine though.
>>725813371
In which series? They're still using pedals and joysticks in Victory.
>>725813431
In the credits the mech designer was some other guy, but yokoyama did also work on the game, so it's murky.
Anonymous No.725813547 [Report]
>>725801342
The ACVD artists are the good ones, like the kind of mangaka who goes to US/guam to shoot guns for tourism since Japan doesn’t allow it
Anonymous No.725813609 [Report] >>725813791
Anonymous No.725813785 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
Are we allowed to say Iron Man? He eventually Pilots the Ziran Armor.
Anonymous No.725813791 [Report]
>>725813609
>that hand sign
KOREANBROS WATCH OUT
Anonymous No.725813867 [Report] >>725813967 >>725813982
>>725812580
Better?
Anonymous No.725813967 [Report] >>725814161
>>725813867
Wait a sec, isn't that from the concept art of Armored Core 1? Possibly Project Phantasma?
Anonymous No.725813973 [Report] >>725814032
Anonymous No.725813982 [Report]
>>725813867
why are the legs like that
Anonymous No.725814032 [Report]
>>725813973
japanese. fuck you capcom
Anonymous No.725814161 [Report]
>>725813967
Yeah, but a mad cat of similar design shows up on pic rel.
Anonymous No.725814175 [Report]
>chicken walker
>actual name is 'vorwerkhuhn' like the chicken
>nicknamed 'fork'
I love this little shit.
Anonymous No.725814180 [Report] >>725814996
>>725811848
>five fingers like a human
Be able to pick up weapons and wield them to replace shit that ran out of ammo instead of being stuck with launch weapons.
>articulating head like a human
They often house main sensors and cameras, providing image feed from a better clearer, higher point. It's also harder to hit the head anyway.
In a veru specific cases the pilot needs an ambulatory head because he's looking directly through the scopes in the head itself
Anonymous No.725814316 [Report] >>725814696 >>725814765
>>725813091
I'm not going to pretend that western mechs are effective to begin with, mechs are undeniably a bit retarded as a military concept compared to actual vehicles. If you had the tech to make an actual mech, you could just make a better vehicle with the same tech instead and it'd still be better than the mech.
I just want the mechs to actually feel like giant robots, even if they have to look bulky, slow and sluggish due to their weight. In the end, it adds a bit of immersion that they're actually giant machines.
JP mechs are more of a power fantasy of being an infantryman wearing a powerful suit, rather than an actual giant robot. They never really feel like giant robots and that's why I'm not really a fan. It's like scaling an ant into the size of a human - it just won't physically work, the ant would simply collapse and suffocate at that scale.
Anonymous No.725814639 [Report] >>725814961
>okay but what if we put a pilebunker in the shoulder of the mech so you can shoulder bash other mechs
insane design
Anonymous No.725814647 [Report]
This mogs all other tank on chicken legs designs.
Anonymous No.725814696 [Report]
>>725814316
Mechwarrior is way more clunky then they're supposed to be and them being trundling and tanklike is because the games were based on tank simulators.
Battlemechs themselves are supposed to be really limber, swinging their arms for balance, crouching and reaching over terrain, wrestling each other, etc. This entire western vs japan thing is really just mechwarrior and everything else, including its own source material.
Anonymous No.725814765 [Report] >>725814825 >>725815747 >>725815889 >>725821675
>>725814316
just gonna quote this anon
>What i dont get about them is claiming that these kinds of mechs are more "realistic". When the word they are looking for is feasible. It would be "feasible" for us to build battletech mechs if we poured unimaginable resources into it. But there would be no point to it. Anything they could do a tank would do better.

>Gundams and AC on the other hand could not be replaced by tanks as they are essentially Jets, tanks and infantry all rolled into one. Well atleast AC dont know too much about gundams desu. So while building an AC is ofc alot less feasible, there would actually be a point to it. So ironically they are alot more realistic.

western mechs suck because anything they do the tank can do better. And a tank cost a fraction of what it would to build a walking target practice.
Anonymous No.725814817 [Report]
>>725813371
>MS control schemes evolve from having to use joysticks and pedals like a man-shaped forklift to a Man-Machine Interface where they move with the user's movements
But they don't. The only man-machine user movement interface in the setting is with G Gundam, which is an alternate universe setting that does not follow from any of the other shows in the franchise.
Every mobile suit interface makes use of pedals and sticks of varying designs, with some like the Unicorn or the GQuuuuuux having special newtype adaptations that operate via reading your newtype brainwaves (though in the case of the latter I have no fucking clue how it reads brainwaves through your hands).
Anonymous No.725814824 [Report]
>>725813097
Phantom crash
Anonymous No.725814825 [Report]
>>725814765
feels weird seeing someone play with the whole sim set up but the game is in third person
Anonymous No.725814961 [Report] >>725815545
>>725814639
it's kinda stupid since if you're shoulder bashing, the pilebunker is not facing the target
Anonymous No.725814987 [Report] >>725815524
>>725813371
In cca, victory, and f91 they're still using sticks/balls
Anonymous No.725814996 [Report] >>725815183 >>725815418 >>725815739 >>725820803
>>725814180
why not four fingers? or six? why five fingers including a thumb and not any other arrangements? becuase these are excuses and the actual reason is to look like humans.
why an articulating head rather than a fixed dome with multiple fixed cameras, or one camera that swivels within like the zakus? because zakus are enemies and not supposed to be heroic nor relatable. the protag's mecha is heroic and admirable thus needs to resemble human form.
Anonymous No.725815096 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
I see no trans flag so japanese it must be.
Anonymous No.725815130 [Report]
>>725801617
enjoy your enjoyment of enjoyable things
Anonymous No.725815183 [Report] >>725818067
>>725814996
Wait until you ask "why are they bipeds in the first place?" and you realize it's literally all the same thing with different levels of facade.
A battlemech is also a big person. It has to be to map the neurohelm properly and quad mechs are harder to control.
Anonymous No.725815231 [Report] >>725819041
This guy gets a pass as honorary nip mech right?
Anonymous No.725815278 [Report]
>>725813097
mk.II looking buddy
I can't be fucking bothered to reformat my post you double niggers No.725815328 [Report] >>725815521 >>725815624
>>725811597
The problem is everybody in this thread will know mecha/mechs.
If I didn't know, I'd say this was a Jap mecha because it looks like an Appleseed Landmate.

725811727
If I didn't know, I'd say this is Japanese because of the, at first, seemingly useless large chunks of the design but then you realise it's probably supposed to transform. Generally western mechs don't transform.

725811828
If I didn't know, I'd still say this was a western mech because it's got some orientalist stylisation to it.

725813097
I don't know, and I'd say Japanese because western mechs give the mechs legs to make them a mech, but Japan sometimes takes a wheeled vehicle the swaps the wheels with legs to make it a mecha but then puts wheels on the legs to turn it back into a wheeled vehicle.

725813181
I don't know, and I vote western power amour: not a mech.

725813447
I don't know, and I vote Chinese mecha due to the narrow waist.

725813973
If I didn't know, I think I'd be confused. The body is too vehicular to look Japanese, but the small feet and fantastically large melee weapon don't look Western.
Anonymous No.725815418 [Report] >>725817284
>>725814996
true dat
Anonymous No.725815521 [Report] >>725815683
>>725815328
>>725813181
It's actually an official japanese redesign of the black knight from battletech. I love those.
Anonymous No.725815524 [Report]
>>725814987
Hell, Turn A still uses sticks/balls and that's supposed to take place thousands of years after UC gundam.
Anonymous No.725815545 [Report] >>725815643
>>725814961
Yeah it's a bit weird, I think it's only used in the videogame. The player bashes with the other shoulder, and then swings the pilebunker shoulder around to make contact with the enemy after.
https://youtu.be/K0eAyOMh0rQ?si=nocv-xglJUcisc-5&t=213
Bit of a weird move, but it looks fucking awesome
Anonymous No.725815624 [Report]
>>725815328
jesus christ anon
Anonymous No.725815643 [Report]
>>725815545
ok that makes a hell of a lot more sense
Anonymous No.725815683 [Report]
>>725815521
>be jap designer/illustrator
>you're so overworked you mistakingly draw robots upside down on your robot chart
Anonymous No.725815739 [Report]
>>725814996
>the protag's mecha is heroic and admirable thus needs to resemble human form.
So true.
Anonymous No.725815747 [Report] >>725815813 >>725816081
>>725814765
IIRC Battletech (and 40k knights also) does have the explanation that their mechs are initially tank and construction vehicles rolled into one, in order to colonize planets with giant wildlife.
Anonymous No.725815813 [Report] >>725816081 >>725816521
>>725815747
Minor correction, 40k knights are agricultural vehicles that have been repurposed for war.
Anonymous No.725815889 [Report] >>725816008 >>725816039
>>725814765
Realistic and feasible can be used as synonyms, so this argument is wrong.
The real fundamental disagreement is that some people (let's call them western mech fans) require 'x' amounts of realism for them to accept the fantasy, whilst others (let's call them gay little weaboo mecha fans) require less than 'x' amounts of realism..
Except, even that post you quote says
>these kinds of mechs are more "realistic"
>more
which reveals the actual fundamental problem is that mecha fans can't understand the linguistic concept of qualifiers, probably because they're autistic and have a mental problem where everything must be black or white.
And as autistis they must flip-flip between two extremes of obsessing over the smallest details of a materialistic subject, or instead descend into a solipsistic fantasy reality where any kind of internal consistency is abandoned. Never can they occupy a medium between these two ends of the spectrum.
So mecha are inherently autistic, and the reason is because asians are genetically autistic. White people who have been vaccinated or drunk too much unpasteurized milk will then find comfort and kinship in Japanese culture.

So unfortunately anon, you are wrong, autistic, schizophrenic and probably have down syndrome too because of how much you pass for being Chinese.
Anonymous No.725816008 [Report]
>>725815889
>White people who have been vaccinated or drunk too much unpasteurized milk will then find comfort and kinship in Japanese culture.
what the fuck does this have to do with mechs?
also mech designs still don't make sense unless they're copying eastern designs
Anonymous No.725816039 [Report]
>>725815889
what the fuck
Anonymous No.725816067 [Report] >>725818474
I don't care about indulging the faggots having an argument itt about muh realism by battling them on a rethorical equal ground so I'll say that my opinion is better and that my opinion is that cool looking : superior.
Western trannies spazzing about realism while they try to pretend to be women can go pound some sand.

/THREAD
Anonymous No.725816081 [Report] >>725816161 >>725816175 >>725818489
>>725815747
>>725815813
That's super old and shaky lore. Rogue trader said "many" vehicles were based on agricultural or exploration STCs without confirming any specifically.

Cause really, people were making emperor titans for agricultural purposes?
Anonymous No.725816141 [Report]
THE GUNDAM IS GOOD
THE AMERICAN IS EVIL
Anonymous No.725816161 [Report] >>725816395
>>725816081
Gotta say I don't really like these designs but they're pretty fucking cool, if that makes any sense. Like I respect the design, even though it's not my thing. I think the artstyle is partially why.
Anonymous No.725816175 [Report]
>>725816081
Emperor Titans aren't Imperial Knights. Hell, on a super technical level Knights aren't even classified as titans, even though they also make use of princeps mind machine interfaces.
Anonymous No.725816395 [Report] >>725816440
>>725816161
Early 40k artists absolutely understood the assignment when doing the various book covers.
Anonymous No.725816440 [Report]
>>725816395
Yeah this is pretty great.
Anonymous No.725816521 [Report]
>>725815813
Not specifically agricultural, just general purpose warmachines that can chop huge trees and slice huge monsters if needed. In a sense they kinda are, since those colonies were fertile breadbaskets.
Hell, the reason they're called knights are because their pilots quickly became the colony's sole warrior caste and mentally conditioned into WHF Bretonnians since the DAoT.
Anonymous No.725816989 [Report]
recently started playing battletech tabletop after playing mw5 for a while, pretty damn fun
Anonymous No.725817017 [Report] >>725817102
>>725807885
You wanna see a chicken walker? I'll show you a chicken walker.
Anonymous No.725817102 [Report]
>>725817017
lol
Anonymous No.725817107 [Report] >>725817181 >>725817315 >>725817457 >>725817856 >>725818575 >>725819560
What I hate alot about most mech games and shows is that the mechs are always window dressing for the retarded humans. Like we need to constantly show these idiots crying and talking about their feelings, and the robot fights are secondary to that.

It's why I loathe Evangelion and Xenoblade and Gundam. Tell the humans to shut their mouths and get back to the fighting. I don't even care if the Evas aren't real mechs and are just fleshy puppets cosplaying as robots, anything is better than pretentious talking and exposition.
Anonymous No.725817181 [Report]
>>725817107
You made the mistake of watching a war drama made by japs.
Anonymous No.725817204 [Report] >>725817274
Armored Core? more like Armored KWAB
lmao where is the sequel?
Anonymous No.725817274 [Report]
>>725817204
One of the only legitimate mech series still, since it didn't fall to the disgusting cancer of showing human faces. At least in the games.
Anonymous No.725817284 [Report] >>725817478
>>725815418
this looks too much like armor or a suit than a mecha
Anonymous No.725817315 [Report] >>725817429
>>725817107
>t.has never known a woman who could have been a mother to him
Anonymous No.725817429 [Report] >>725817493
>>725817315
Why would I want that? Sounds disgusting. The weakness of human flesh makes me sick, and long for the perfection and precision of steel.

For Answer's destruction was the best. AC6's Fires of Raven Ending was great. More of that please. I heckin love purging.
Anonymous No.725817457 [Report] >>725817589
>>725817107
The most obnoxious is when it's a show about robots. Alien robots that fight each other. Why the fuck do you need human characters in a setting like that?
Anonymous No.725817478 [Report]
>>725817284
What about now?
Anonymous No.725817493 [Report]
>>725817429
>t.
Anonymous No.725817589 [Report]
>>725817457
https://youtu.be/LIsyIBdRXTg
lel
Anonymous No.725817654 [Report]
>>725801342
Rule of Kewl
Anonymous No.725817856 [Report] >>725817934
>>725817107
You sound like someone who couldn't beat the devil with the power of love.
Anonymous No.725817859 [Report] >>725817954 >>725818495
Anonymous No.725817934 [Report] >>725818127
>>725817856
The power of the devil? hah, that's nothing to me. Wanna know why?
Anonymous No.725817954 [Report]
>>725817859
Technically a Western mech.
Anonymous No.725817976 [Report]
>>725812217
40K and maybe to a lesser degree, Starwars have the only western mech's i like.
Anonymous No.725818067 [Report] >>725818363 >>725818756 >>725819070
>>725815183
of course it's a facade. but mecha designers will stop trading the human image for perceived mechanical feasibility long before mech designers. they will not reduce finger counts to four or three while mech designers will as the mech can do the same thing with three fingers and with less parts. same for articulating head. it's not like mecha designers don't know these features are less sensible. they deliberately keep them on the main characters' mecha. you can see these features get dropped when they move on to design grunt mecha. the less important a mecha is to the story, and the less relatable its pilot should be, the less human features the mecha will get. this is for the most part not a concern for mech designers. as i said in an earlier post, mech designers start with making a war machine then make it humanoid, mecha designers start with a man at arms then turn him into a giant robot.
Anonymous No.725818127 [Report]
>>725817934
But I already posted god.
Anonymous No.725818363 [Report] >>725823043
>>725818067
What do you mean anon? Picrel has 3 fingers, which if we're being honest makes little sense because it's basically powered armor for giant aliens, so it ought to have 5 fingers to fit their digits.
Anonymous No.725818474 [Report]
>>725816067
>Western trannies spazzing about realism while they try to pretend to be women can go pound some sand.
Why are Westerners like this anyways?
>everything has to be ultra realistic but somehow more than 50% of the scientist crew in a media has to be blacks
genuinely takes me the fuck out of the experience when they do this.
Anonymous No.725818489 [Report]
>>725816081
Depends on if titan weaponry was also part of the original design. The version we see is made by a cargo cult as a tool of war that they also worship and built a temple on its shoulders. I could imagine it as a gentle giant creating and taking care of vast farmlands and forests.
Anonymous No.725818495 [Report]
>>725817859
Lovey dovey hand holding SEX with Loran
Anonymous No.725818575 [Report] >>725818789
>>725817107
I like og build fighters for this reason. Less drama and more mech service.
Anonymous No.725818756 [Report] >>725820508
>>725818067
>it's not like mecha designers don't know these features are less sensible. they deliberately keep them on the main characters' mecha. you can see these features get dropped when they move on to design grunt mecha
And that's one of the reasons why I love VOTOMs, the director really just said "let's give everyone grunt mecha". The antagonists get unique machines and hero just uses whatever piece of junk he can get his hands on until the last couple of episodes, anyway.
Anonymous No.725818789 [Report] >>725819005 >>725819017
>>725818575
I watched the pilot for that, with the Beginning Gundam, and it felt so fake, like an advertisement. I know that's because it is a promo work for whatever anniversary or something right, but is the actual build fighters series, an actual series worth watching or is it just more gunpla ads
Anonymous No.725819005 [Report] >>725819181
>>725818789
that 3 ep ova can be skipped. It's got no relation with the actual build series
Anonymous No.725819017 [Report] >>725819181 >>725819537
>>725818789
Build Fighters is fanservice with gundam that actually look like you can kitbash them if all the parts had similar scale models. The stuff that came after it, Build Divers, is a glorified ad.
Anonymous No.725819041 [Report]
>>725815231
Not from me. The boxiness, simple silhouette, and the lines are very obvious hallmarks of western mech designs.
Oh, sorry, mech was a dirty word to them.
Anonymous No.725819070 [Report] >>725819236
>>725818067
They both do this. Battlemechs are mostly big people with heads and five fingered hands. No one really thinks battletech is only madcats.

You've become such a specialist that you only like a handful of designs from a spinoff of a franchise that traced anime to begin with.
Anonymous No.725819118 [Report] >>725819173 >>725819250 >>725819459 >>725819589 >>725820214
Japshit look like toys for manchildren.
Anonymous No.725819173 [Report]
>>725819118
based japshit
Anonymous No.725819181 [Report]
>>725819005
Cool yeah. My release order autism compelled me to watch it
>>725819017
Good to know, thanks.
Anonymous No.725819236 [Report] >>725819298
>>725819070
That's a Japanese mech.
Anonymous No.725819250 [Report] >>725819424 >>725819589
>>725819118
This, western stuff actually feels like it can exist. Shit like Gundam is just too retarded for anyone to take seriously.
Anonymous No.725819298 [Report] >>725820937
>>725819236
That's what I'm saying!
Anonymous No.725819424 [Report] >>725819624
>>725819250
still waiting for that giant battletech shit. Any time now
Anonymous No.725819459 [Report]
>>725819118
Because that japshit is made for commercial purposes, they ARE toys, a lot of these mecha franchises rely on that
Anonymous No.725819537 [Report] >>725819674 >>725819730
>>725819017
>gundam that actually look like you can kitbash them if all the parts had similar scale models
They legitimately had contests for people to send in their kitbashes and a few winners got to show up (mostly as background mooks, but it's still fun)
Anonymous No.725819560 [Report]
>>725817107
For me, its the fact they're hormonal teenagers in a war setting. Everyone knows that teens have -50 WIS Stat debuff.
Anonymous No.725819589 [Report] >>725819893
>>725819118
>>725819250
>gold texture
>that'll be 500 dorrus
Anonymous No.725819624 [Report]
>>725819424
Unicorn is shit
I hate Fukui so fucking much
Anonymous No.725819636 [Report] >>725819676
>arguing about nationality
>not loving every mech for being mech
you are like babies.
Anonymous No.725819674 [Report] >>725819849
>>725819537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT3RFOgliEE
I'll give bandai credit for really trying to get that build tech to work irl
Anonymous No.725819676 [Report] >>725819713
>>725819636
brownoids have to slapfight anon
Anonymous No.725819713 [Report] >>725819748
>>725819676
>is also arguing about nationality in his own way
weak
Anonymous No.725819730 [Report] >>725820015 >>725820094
>>725819537
The one that I remember is the contest for Build Divers, which was for people to submit models they made using the Gundam Breaker mobile game. I didn't know they did the same for Build Fighters.
Anonymous No.725819748 [Report] >>725819901
>>725819713
we both know these east vs west threads are made by brownoids anon
Anonymous No.725819849 [Report] >>725820015
>>725819674
They've been working on this, to my knowledge, as far back as 2021. Feels kinda shitty that this is as far as they've gotten in 4 years.
Anonymous No.725819893 [Report]
>>725819589
This doesn't contradict what I said.
Anonymous No.725819901 [Report]
>>725819748
this is the part where i'm supposed to say "this was typed by brown hands" but unlike you and everyone else ITT i'm not a giant fucking retard and phoneposting tourist.
Anonymous No.725820015 [Report]
>>725819730
I distinctly remember some of the designs for fighters were made using the gundam breaker game and they advertised this.
>>725819849
They had a big push for it tied into metaverse and that went really quiet. Maybe they're reworking it for a different platform but yeah, that probably did some damage.
Anonymous No.725820054 [Report] >>725820173
These are all cool mech designs and everyone who thinks otherwise is a NIGGER
Anonymous No.725820094 [Report]
>>725819730
The OG did it with Gundam Breaker builds.
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Benkei
Al is piloting one of the winners in the War in the Pocket cameo.
Anonymous No.725820173 [Report]
>>725820054
based
Anonymous No.725820214 [Report]
>>725819118
I mean if it looks cool, why shouldn't it get merch?
Anonymous No.725820251 [Report]
>>725802626
>Indians
O B S S E S S E D
Anonymous No.725820260 [Report] >>725820448 >>725820702 >>725821168
>>725808153
Uisk, my beloved.
Anonymous No.725820448 [Report]
>>725820260
For me its the Brizia, literally an M1 Abrams or M2 Bradley on legs, peak design
Anonymous No.725820508 [Report]
>>725818756
>grunt mechs are the best, same reason why Zaku from Gundam are popular.
Anonymous No.725820702 [Report]
>>725820260
Why is the hat so tall?
Anonymous No.725820803 [Report] >>725821014
>>725814996
I wonder though; maybe it's just anecdotal, but it feels like more people in the west like the Zaku then they do the actual Gundam because it looks more grounded in their eyes.
Anonymous No.725820937 [Report] >>725820980 >>725821579
>>725819298
Battletech is the only series on the top of my head that Japanese and Western mech designs really get to overlap with each other.
Anonymous No.725820980 [Report] >>725821049
>>725820937
Transformers?
Anonymous No.725821000 [Report]
Hey man, like
Respect the Robot
Anonymous No.725821014 [Report] >>725821204 >>725821737
>>725820803
Zakus have that cool underdog vibe to them, while Gundams are just lame obvious power fantasy of:
>I always win! Just because I do, ok?!
Anonymous No.725821049 [Report]
>>725820980
Even Transformers is largely Japanese designers with Marvel or IDW or whatever doing the writing part.
Unless you count the Bayverse crossing over to other versions of the franchise.
Anonymous No.725821168 [Report]
>>725820260
Based, but for me it's the Gepard Neun. I would cum nonstop if I could pilot that thing.
Anonymous No.725821204 [Report]
>>725821014
if you watched wing sure. But UC gundams were only strong for the quarter of the series and then they get bodied just as hard.
Anonymous No.725821218 [Report] >>725821574
Western or Japanese, call it
Anonymous No.725821574 [Report]
>>725821218
Western. That's from Jak and Daxter.
Anonymous No.725821579 [Report]
>>725820937
Heavy gear is similar, but without actually directly tracing anything. It has a lot less "no anime" snobbery though. It's more open about its roots.
Anonymous No.725821675 [Report] >>725821740
>>725814765
the thing about ACs is they are intended to be machines used by one single person acting mostly on their own to do every possible job. Tanks and jets and infantry still exist in the AC universe and are used by the ones who do not just have 1 guy that they need to do every possible job.
Anonymous No.725821737 [Report] >>725821829 >>725821947
>>725821014
Zakus had absolutely no competition for half of the one year war and the gundam/GMs finally showing up to fight them is the first time they weren't just kicking tanks and balls apart.

It only looks like they're the underdogs because you don't see the half of the war that they had total superiority. In the full span, it's their comeuppance.
Anonymous No.725821740 [Report] >>725821889
>>725821675
though the devs actually just went "we need cannon fodder for our players" and that was it.
Anonymous No.725821829 [Report] >>725821889 >>725823146
>>725821737
Even then it wasn't like they could just tear through a tank formation like paper. Rick Dom was when Zeon's suits started completely invalidating conventional forces.
Anonymous No.725821889 [Report]
>>725821740
They put a lot of love and care into the level mooks. There's so many MT and other fodder designs that only appear in 1 or 2 levels. It's a labor of love.
>>725821829
It takes about twelve tanks to fight evenly with 3 zakus, and the zakus somehow still came out more cost efficient. Less crew deaths, too. The federation was losing even with vastly more resources.
Anonymous No.725821947 [Report] >>725822102 >>725822258 >>725822328
>>725821737
Dunno if it makes any sense Feds make such a huge generational jump with Gundam in spite of having no experience building mobile suits while Zeon has a ton of actual combat data on how MS perform.

I guess you could say that Zeon got complacent + they built their MS to fight conventional forces while Federation build their Gundam to be an anti-MS MS.
Anonymous No.725822090 [Report]
>>725800938 (OP)
The digitigrade legs tell me it's western.
Anonymous No.725822102 [Report]
>>725821947
zeon had a spending problem and defection problem. They had too many developers making all sort of ms that maintenance became a bitch. And the colony drop costed them maybe around half their troops defecting or going awol.
Anonymous No.725822258 [Report]
>>725821947
According to the Gundam Master Archive books, the feds spies managed to steal all the plans for Zeon's mobile suits long before the OYW started but fed high command was just retarded and dismissed it all, thinking that they'll be going into it with conventional weaponry instead of the Zakus. Once they got their ass kicked that's when they went "well shit, go look for those plans we threw out and figure out how we can one up the zeeks".
Anonymous No.725822328 [Report] >>725823357
>>725821947
Some zeon scientists defected is the cause, I recall. Specifically beam tech experts right before they finalized it was a big part of their leap ahead. They also reverse engineered a lot.

At its basic level gundam is about earthlings turning alien technology back on them and fighting the evil invaders but for some reason people read it as the underdogs getting stomped by the evil gundam when they did nothing wrong.
Anonymous No.725822335 [Report]
>>725810643
Bro WHAT
Anonymous No.725822415 [Report]
>>725801342
nta but the head. Westerners typically make mecha torsos more vehicle like
Anonymous No.725822656 [Report] >>725823172
>>725801342
It's a mess of polygons with human hands and a weird oversized weapon, it also has guns which look like upscaled human guns hanging from it. They tried hard to make it really rough and industrial looking, but I don't think it worked.
Anonymous No.725823043 [Report] >>725823117
>>725818363
Not a MC mech.
Anonymous No.725823117 [Report]
>>725823043
Irrelevant because the red one also has 3 fingers.
Anonymous No.725823146 [Report]
>>725821829
Which Gundam show is that?
Anonymous No.725823172 [Report] >>725824289
>>725822656
Still looks better than any western "mech"
Anonymous No.725823357 [Report] >>725823590
>>725822328
>Alien
Maybe when Gundam was released. Now, people like Zeon exist IRL in the form of techbros who wish international regulations wouldn't keep them from making a techno-feudal fiefdom, and the Zeeks resonate with them. The Earth Federation is ironically more alien to modern sensibilities as it runs on the premise that the UN wouldn't be the ineffective corrupt farce it is today.
Anonymous No.725823590 [Report]
>>725823357
>Federation is ironically more alien to modern sensibilities as it runs on the premise that the UN wouldn't be the ineffective corrupt farce
The federation absolutely is a corrupt and ineffective farce. That's why the heroes of the next series are part of the anti-earth union group. Also why zeon got the "they're just trying to oppress us!" angle in the first place. They were being shitheads to spacenoids.
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>>725823172
Opinions.
Anonymous No.725824483 [Report]
>>725801312
Nah it rules, go piss and cry zoom baby
Anonymous No.725824662 [Report] >>725824749
>>725824289
It's fucked up that the king crab is one of the great original battlemechs and it fucking sucks ingame because you can't raise your arms and it'll just shoot into terrain. Also big head hitbox.

Someone get onto that devteam who knows how to do automatic lifting weapons when there's an obstacle.
Anonymous No.725824749 [Report]
>>725824662
It's kinda shit in MWO but not even because of low slung weapons, many mechs suffer from that. It just has absolutely enormous side torsoes which are trivial to isolate. Especially when you're firing from above, it's easier to hit a King Crab than to miss it.