Thread 725807258

It really is just a quest 3 isn't it
I'm so fucking pissed, 6 years of waiting and leaks and speculation, just for something that shares the same specs as the quest 3

but with no facebook shit
sounds good to me

>2026
>110 FOV
KEK

>>725807298
At more than double the price

>NOOOO WHY ISN'T IT THE SAME SPECS AS THE NICHE $3000 HEADSETS
because those are niche $3000 headsets anon

>>725807427
Easily worth it imo

>>725807448
It has the same specs as a $500 headset, while costing $900

>>725807630
the $500 headset doesn't have a seamless solution for foveated streaming from your computer with an included 6ghz router

>>725807702
It's also half the price and does 95% of what the frame does. People who already have a quest 3 have no reason to get this, while for people without a headset it's going to be a tough sell over the quest 3
LCD
110 FOV
Basically same resolution -/+ 100 pixels
Same battery life
It really is just a quest 3 with valve's logo stamped on

>>725808145
you have unrealistic expectations

>>725807630
>>725808145
And more importantly what even is/will be there in VR to justify a $1k headset right now?

>>725807258 (OP)
quest 3 but real pcvr software support

what does this do that a quest 3 can't do, besides play 2d steam games natively

>>725808268
So true, how stupid of me to expect a $900 product to be better than a $500 one that's over 2 years old

I'm interested in this a lot. A Quest device but without Facebook sounds like a dream. The fact that it's Steam OS would be great for Linux VR as well. And importantly I can wank to VR Porn without telling my friend group.

>>725808486
eye tracking
native steamvr integration instead of having to use meta software

Did they announce a $900 price tag or is that speculation?

>>725807258 (OP)
no drift alone justifies the price.

>>725808725
All we know is it's supposed to cost less than $1000.

>>725807258 (OP)
I don't care, I just saw the videos and I'm fucking impressed, this will be my first ever VR gear. Like can you actually fucking imagine that this fucking thing runs on arm and can play x86 games? Bro I can goon with those glasses on, I can watch movies with it, I can finally experience VR chat, I can create my own emulation room, I can install fucking mihon.. like holy shit fuck your doomerism, I will get one for shoe.

>>725808605
>>725807258 (OP)
How does it comare to Pico?
Pico has always had Meta beat in every regard (only issue being their default Link app sucks so you have to buy VD)

A complete waste of money unless it's $600, at most. It's already not much better than a Quest and Quest 4 will absolutely obliterate it. Hopefully meta releases a good wireless adapter with the Quest 4 though. Going through a router fucking sucks.

>>725809040
same

>>725809040
Anon this isn't the first
MOST headsets that aren't Meta are just Android devices with ARM chips
>>725809132
I use Virtual Desktop through a 5Ghz wifi and it plays perfectly. I can imagine a modern router being even better.
The base PC just needs to be on Ethernet

>>725809040
You can do all of this on the Quest 3.

>>725809249
Yeah, but this is Linux VR not Android VR. That difference is huge. I be able to wank to VR Porn for tbe first time and not worry about someone tracking me.

>>725809261
The quest 3 can play hades 2 from my steam library without a pc?

>>725809040
You're going to try all of those things for like an hour and then never try again and you can't even return it. Just buy a Quest 3 from Best Buy or Amazon. You can use it until January 14 and then return it. Tell them it has a dead pixel and they will just take it back. Movies and 2D games on a big screen look like shit due to the dim screen and low resolution.

>>725809401
>Movies and 2D games on a big screen look like shit due to the dim screen and low resolution.
damn if only they had monochrome passthrough

>>725808725
They said less than the index, so anything less than $1000. I don't see it costing less than $800 though

>>725809052
I have a Pico 4 and i really don't see any reason to upgrade. Same screen resolution, both have pancake lenses, I'm sure the motion clarity will be better, IQ and latency should be lower with AV1 and foveated streaming but at the end of the day it's not that much. You'd probably be best off buying a better graphics card and pushing higher resolutions

>>725809332
Wait it's running Proton?

>>725809332
I'm quite sure it is android, i heard it runs APKs on the DF video i think

>>725809179
>same
based
>>725809249
>MOST headsets that aren't Meta are just Android devices with ARM chips
Yea but isn't valve the first one with x86 to arm translation? With FEX? correct me if I'm wrong: Meta devices are x86 and can play standalone? And arm devices are connected to your PC? But valve combines that?
>>725809261
>You can do all of this on the Quest 3.
Okay good, but I will go for the Frame, just because it's the new kid on the block and I just got inrested + meta isn't loonix and therefore = spyware
>one more thing
Will you stick with your current VR gear? Or switch over to the Frame?

>>725809470
What does passthrough have to do with making the screen better? I probably used my Quest 3 for like 200+ hours during the holiday returns. There's really no point to keep this thing after that, you've already seen it it has to offer.

>>725807427
>>725807630
Proofs?

I can see why the frame took so long. They released it alongside the box and new controller. Plus it has a whole custom VR Linux OS with ARM translation. I just hope it doesn't take six fucking years for the frame 2. Around 3 years seems to be the amount of time in between VR headset generations

>>725808268
>the quest 3 isnt real bro

shut the fuck up

>>725809569
No it runs Proton I believe

>>725809401
Anon... please don't do this, you can't imagine how hyped I am. I'm tired of current gayming and I feel like VR could get me dopamine again. And this sounds coombrained af, but I need to experience VR porn... and anon can you fucking imagine: Playing Wii in VR with fucking remotes??? Like damn

This is exactly what I asked for.
This is what I wanted.
I will buy this.

>>725809532
yes
>>725809569
its linux steam OS with waydroid to run android apks, you can sideload them

>>725809734
VR porn is the only good thing but this thing can't even do color passthrough which is one of the coolest parts

Lol this thread smells like meta cucks buyers remorse

>>725809603
The price is going to be the deciding factor if the Frame is going to be worth switching to. I'm surprised by the amount of people indifferent/upset by the Frame's specs. Not just on 4chan where it's people shitposting. If you don't have a VR headset it will probably be worth getting.

>>725807427
You make it sound like that's a bad price to pay to remove jew-ware

>>725809734
Buy a Quest 3 on Amazon right now. You will have a 2 month return window. See if you like it or not.

I just wish I could buy controllers like that for lighthouse
why did they have to force meme VR controllers with no buttons before now

>>725809856
Thanks anon.
>>725809831
>can't even do color passthrough
ehm.. what is this exactly? :/

>>725809856
thats the problem, most people who care about VR have a quest 3 or better. There's just no upgrade to the display stack whatsoever if you are coming from quest 3

Don't care still got my Rift S

>>725809920
The external cameras are called passthrough. There's porn videos with a transparent background so it looks like the whore is in your room on top of you

>5min ago gaymers nexus new frame video HYPE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSjvJDe6Ic

>>725807258 (OP)
Controllers are literally cv1
>>725807427
But they said it was going to be less than index and index is like 499

>>725810034
Index without lighthouses and controllers is 499.

>>725810002
thanks jesus

>>725810110
And this was supposed to still be less than quest 3

>>725809997
OMFG I NEED THAT

>>725810248
Frame won't have proper passthrough only black and white. There's a slot at the front of the unit where people are suggesting you can put a color camera.

>>725809997
where might one acquire such videos anon?

>>725809856
It is kind of like the new Steam Machine, it is not meant for the early adopters and enthusiasts. It is about getting the next wave of people on board with a cheaper and more refined version of what was already available.

A lot more people are going to pick up a $500 headset than a $1000 one. A lot more people will buy into a complete VR platform that costs $1000, than will buy into a complete VR platform that costs $3600.
These still aren't even the really mainstream devices. Those are still years away, but when they arrive, they probably won't be better, just cheaper.

>>725810002
I'll trust this guy over linus dick tips all day

>>725810002
thanks steve

>>725809856
It's completely open so it's going to be expensive as shit. The only reason the Quest is cheap is because they expect you to only buy games from the Meta store.

>>725809997
I think this is very important. But what about blocking all external vision and just "being in the video scene"
>Holy shit, I can't wait to POV deepthroat futa 2b.

>>725807258 (OP)
unlike the quest 3, it actually makes me consider using a vr headset as my primary display device, so no it's not a quest 3 at all because you couldn't even PAY me to put a quest 3 on my head

>>725810510
>you couldn't even PAY me to put a quest 3 on my head
lmfao

>>725807702
for future reference, it's FoViated

>>725810510
>unlike the quest 3, it actually makes me consider using a vr headset as my primary display device
There is a reason no one does this. You will not do this. Do not purchase a VR headset for this reason.

>>725808486
>besides play 2d steam games natively
i like how you just handwave this as if it's nothing while also conveniently ignoring all of the other features that everyone but apparently you already knows about, fuck off you filthy fucking epig gays kike

>>725810560
no it's not?

>>725810337
problem is judging by the signals valve sent out neither the steam machine nor the frame is going to be cheap enough to do what you described (a pc not a console for the cube, less than index which is $1000 for frame)

>>725810609
>There is a reason no one does this.
because they cant play steam games and have to play meta shovelware?

I don't know what to believe anymore, so it really comes down to meta quest 3 and steam frame soon?

Can someone red pill me and spoon feed me the relevant x vs y facts?

>>725810661
$1000 will be the 1TB version for frame
256GB will be $600

>>725810710
because the resolution is dogshit for text and wearing something on your head all day feels like horrible

>>725809908
>Buy a Quest 3 on Amazon right now.
Metajeet shills are this brazen.

its more like a quest 4, oculus has let us down 2 years in a row so might as well fill their gap.

>>725810609
i will do it. i have wanted to use a vr display for a while now, i'm sick of using physical monitors and huge ass tvs as a kludge. i want to use a virtual even huger ass tv, and you can't stop me. gay ben is making my dreams a reality, and you can't stop him either. together we are unstoppable

>>725810765
>doesnt have e-ink for reading

>>725810774
You buy it to see if you like it and return it either way. Amazon has an extended return window because of the holidays so you can try it for "free" for 2 months.

>>725808327
GTA VI

>>725810765
it's resolution for text is more than fine, and you don't know how it feels to wear, feel free to stop talking iut of your ass at any time

>>725807427
Freedom ain't "free"

holy fuq, I can put an SD card fully loaded with vr porn games and cracked games on my frame??? Fucking hell this thing runs steamos and I can just open the browser and look for porn? without a fucking pc? this is truly the year of the linux desktop.
>pls don't be 2k, pls don't be 2k
I read something with knuckle straps... I need the whole set, right?

>>725810721
Optics are practically the same. Frame will have superior comfort, controllers, and streaming. It all comes down to the price of the frame. At $700 it'd be a great contender. $800 would be a much harder sale. At $900, just get the quest 3

>>725810905
the straps are additional things in the whatever package version of it, so it costs more if you want them, but it also comes with a top headstrap for the headset, if you're into that

>>725810826
>>725810710
It's really the problem of having something attached to your head, and needing AR to make working with large screens ACTUALLY viable.
Yes, they say this is comfortable and you can go hand out on your couch and play a game or whatever, but going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.

>>725810981
thank you <3333 any library differences?

>>725811028
picrel, lmfao. saved

>>725810981
are you actually fucking retarded? why the fuck would anyone buy anything that has zucc's walled garden extra layer of bullshit faggotry involved? are you actually a fucking braindead nigger? like fucking seriously here

>>725810609
>There is a reason no one does this.
Yeah because apple is the ONLY fucking option this is semi-viable on, and even if you do this you have to have both a fucking mac and a second computer to stream to.

>>725811028
>going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.
i only play for 3 hours or so

>>725810881
It's not a halo strap so it's going to feel horrible after a few hours like every single VR headset.

>>725811028
>but going 16 hours a day staring at a headset is just not feasible yet.
yeah, because the steam frame hasn't released yet
like you literally do not understand in the slightest, valve finally solved most of the problems with vr

>>725810034
To be fair the CV1 controllers are great. There's a reason why basically every headset comes with controllers based on them. The index controllers were overengineered, massive, and nobody gave a shit about the finger tracking. Controller ergonomics aren't hard to get right, just look at Xbox, they've been using what's basically the same controller for like 20 years now

>>725811093
Thanks, I just dodged a bullet there. Bro I have to get the frame, just because of loonix alone. Goon Glasses running FOSS. Even offline, right?

I hope something comes up and it costs more than index
that way, it won't sell out to fags/scalpers and I can for sure get one
I got a deck oled on launch though so maybe I'm worrying for nothing
Q3 was my first hmd and I've used it almost every day since launch
while it's a sidegrade it is totally worth it to me to get Frame for
>dual antennas
>controllers that won't drift 30 mins after replacing stick
I'm actually on the fence about the "moving-away-from-zucc" shit. Don't get me wrong, I hate zucc and facebook shit.
but outside of closing the horizon ad when I turn on the headset it pretty much never bothers me.
Hate the updates that break shit though.
Steamlink currently blows ass compared to Virtual Desktop so I'm hoping when Frame comes out there's more control over the streaming settings.
That's my biggest worry, being stuck on a shitty codec with limited streaming options so normalfags can't complain
and I guess there will be less 3rd party shit at launch but I'm sure that won't last long.

>>725811174
>that way, it won't sell out to fags/scalpers and I can for sure get one
I thought that can't/doesn't happen on valve hardware because of steam???

>>725811126
cool speculation bro, but sadly there are things you are either unaware of, or you're merely pretending to be retarded

>>725811139
The design is the problem, not how they did the design.

>>725807258 (OP)
It’s just like any other Android VR headset.

>>725811231
i dunno
I got the deck oled at launch with no problems so maybe I'm just jumpy because PC parts and shit is all so gay the last half a decade

>>725811169
we don't know for sure yet, we won't know until it's actually released and people actually get their hands on them

>>725811275
Except it doesn't run android

>>725811174
>I'm actually on the fence about the "moving-away-from-zucc" shit. Don't get me wrong, I hate zucc and facebook shit.
baaaased
>and I guess there will be less 3rd party shit at launch but I'm sure that won't last long.
as in soft or hardware?

>>725810661
I won't claim to have insider knowledge. All I did was pay attention to what leaked out of Valve over the years about the Deckard project to Linux gaming focused outlets. Maybe the price for the complete Valve VR stack in a box will now be $1200 now instead of the $1000 goal from years ago because of costs going up, but making a more mainstream device to grow the market was the goal. Not building a more powerful top-end enthusiast system.
Nothing about either device points to a sky high price tag. Just well engineered budget systems. Kind of like how the Deck manages to be a surprisingly capable entry-level gaming PC for $399.

>a pc not a console for the cube
Maybe we run in different circles, but modern consoles are often more expensive than entry-level gaming PCs, and the new Steam Machine has very entry-level specs. It is weaker than the current top-tier consoles, and will definitely be weaker than next-gen but those new more powerful systems are racing up market when PC is going budget.

>>725811292
>the last half decade
try more like the past 15 years

>>725811298
runs steam os, so even waydroid is possible

>>725811305
hardware I mean
3rd party software will be a given i figure for any valve thing

some of the zucc software has been useful (voice chat/ measuring app/ some other android apps sideloaded) so I'm begrudgingly going to say it's not as bad as I thought it would be

Guys I'm a neet and my teeth are already fucked up, I don't think VR is a good idea

>>725811390
>>725811298
Seeing as it's in the same family, it begs the question whether or not you can boot with whatever you'd like as well

Linus said something about running APKs on the frame and I wonder how effective it can just run a pirated Quest games like Batman Arkham Shadow on that thing.

Please just give us worthwhile VR games
I'm tires of gimmicky games that are fun for a week before you run out of content
I'll buy a $2000 headset if it means the fucking VR games are good

>>725811440
Steam Frame doesn't have face tracking so you're good.

>>725810002
this guy is such a fucking queer

why are vr headsets even still this expensive?
you can get a fucking amazing monitor for a fraction of the price of a VR headset.
why aren't the same forces that made the price of screens constantly go down applying to VR headsets?

>>725810002
Damn why do they never ask what I would ask

Like do these front firing speakers blow dick compared to the index's speakers over your ears. I mean lets be real they have to be compromised.

Also no display stack discussion. The adam savage's tested guy went. But he never asked them why 2160p.

>>725811698
Comparing VR to a flat screen is simply ridiculous

>>725811638
I noticed this dude has such a hard time holding eye contact, I feel so sorry for him, because he seems like a solid person. But hes 5'3

>>725807258 (OP)
>Quest 3 without the dogshit software
You have no idea how much of an improvement this is.

>>725811298
The ARM chip enables the device to run Android apps natively.

Only the Quest 4 can save vr

>>725810510
too bad the res sucks. If it was 2880p or something it would be fine for that. Not microoled tier but also not $2000

>>725810609
AVP and galaxy XR are fine for this visually but they are uncomfortable

>>725811698
Turn on a video on your phone and put it close to your face and tell me how it goes

>>725811093
Because you download virtual desktop or steam link app on the quest 3 then stream from your PC. You never deal with zuck shit after setup if you don't want to

>>725811753
>blow dick compared to the index's speakers over your ears
Everything blows dick when you've experienced the index speakers.
But also, look at the placement, you really think those are going to compare to a headset dedicated to VR games?

>>725808145
steamie cultists will still defend their favorite billion dollar corporation who obviously cares about them and totally dont want to just sell them licenses and take their money like any other evil corpo, Valve is different! Leave my multi billion dollar corporation alone, OKAY!? THEY ARE SELLING LICENSES WHICH YOU CANT OWN AND ARE ENFORCING USA LAW WHICH NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WORLDWIDE AND THATS A GOOD THING, CHUD!

for me it's the convenience factor.

With quest 2 you're always waiting for the thing to boot up, connect to the pc link, more often than not the wire's faulty- and that's unfortunately NOT just a me thing, shit's a serious problem... It takes awhile to get in.
The fucking wire too, it's annoying. I have a tether system in place to make it less annoying but still.

Going full lag-free wireless sounds beautiful.

>>725810881
with a 2k headset expect your desktop to be 1080p and take up your whole field of view. It sucks.

>>725812041
Issue is you're still running Zuck shit alongside Virtual Desktop, and the Meta Quest 3 has gone through more than one update which has bricked people's headsets. Mine went through a period where an update back in July (?) fucked borked the headset's fan, so it would overheat constantly up until an update finally fixed it weeks later,

What I learned from this thread:
>Meta Quest is current BiS
>Frame is only worth sub 1k
>The only downside of the quest is zucc
>Valve glazing
>$300 price diff would be fine, but just because of zucc

>>725812079
nintoddies this buck broken

Me personally? I'm all in on Zuck

>>725810034
>index is like 499
lol

>>725811126
Halo strap does nothing but put the pressure on your brow instead of evenly distributing it on your brow and cheeks and headstrap. It's shit and the industry loves it so much because they have to make headsets that float over women's make up. It also adds weight because not only do have hard strap on the sides but you have hard strap on the brow over the headset. The frame is light as fuck, under 300grams with the facial interface, its half way BSB tier. Quest 2 and 3 were 500g without the headstrap. A halo headstrap is not going to fix that.

Can I have the Frame on and work on a virtual dual monitor setup? Can I work with browsers and google docs? Are the "screens" sharp? Can I have a youtube essay on the left "monitor" and gimp on the right?

>>725812175
Yea that's kind of right but people overestimate how bad the Facebook aspect of the quest is. Beyond making an account, which I don't think requires Facebook anymore, there's really nothing that's zucced. Besides menus sometimes bothering you about the meta verse and social shit, you can completely ignore it.
SteamVR definitely feels a lot more "personal" and less corporate, but how long are you really spending in your VR menu?

>>725812141
I don't give a shit because I have a quest 2 and I never connected to the internet ever again after setup and installing steam link. It just connects to my dedicated router that's only connected to my PC.

>no color passthrough
>2160p
lmao

>>725812246
>>725812309
why are controllers $500 like wtf? Is the $500-$1000 price for the frame based on the headset alone? Or an all in one set?

>>725812309
It's actually $440 if you think about it because it includes alyx

>>725812349
Haven't they repeatedly been caught taking pictures of people's houses?

>>725812056
I'm so glad my alyx playthrough was with a G2 that cloned index's speakers. The tracking was shit but man that fucking sound hit.

>>725812375
>didn't happen to me so not problem

>>725812403
Because it's the controllers and the lighthouses.

>>725812175
Based:
ARM Linux PC that translates x86 windows games, sideload android APKs
Eyetracking with foveated encoding and a wifi 6e USB dongle in box
Lightweight, 185g eyepiece + additional facial interface/audio weight. Quest is ~500grams with no strap
TMR Joysticks, knuckle straps and capacative finger tracking survived
microsd expandable storage
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

Cringe:
2160p LCD, not even mini led backlight
Valve refused comment on converting flat games to stereo 3D
No controllerless hand tracking when you can just get a quest 3
Quest 2 tier black & white IR passthrough
One Valve guy confirmed there's no 1st party VR game
Frame can't run ALYX standalone
No tightnening wheel adjustment for headstrap, zuck tier buckle loops
copium front expansion port so you can imagine the headset acquiring any feature its missing

>>725812403
The controllers are like $300 and the base stations $200. Before inside-out tracking (the one that uses cameras on the headset) there was base station tracking which was unreliable because it depends on motors and a pain in the ass because you had to set them up in your room perfectly or else they couldn't track your headset or controllers
Nowadays, only VRchat trannies cars about base station tracking

>>725812437
the Index speakers are so fucking good
I seriously want a proper set of headphones with those speakers in em

>>725812175
the normies that frame supposedly targets do not care about facebook enough to pay $300 extra. do not forget there are billions more facebook user than vr users at any giving time.

>>725812403
No shot the frame doesn't have a $500 model

>>725812432
Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>725812343
the ppd isn't good enough. Just imagine a 1080p screen over like 90 degrees FOV. And maybe it's a smidge better than that, you can lean forward to read text better etc. But don't expect anything like physical monitor PPD

>>725812432
Zuck helped me grill the family bbq one time over vr, was just trying to have a wank before he interrupted but the food turned out great

>>725812479
You seem to think the quest not updating itself with no internet access was luck. fucking idiot

>>725812493
Thank you anon, fuck the cringe list is concerning.
>Frame can't run ALYX standalone
insane
>No controllerless hand tracking when you can just get a quest 3
so how can I jerk it while tracking my hands?

>>725812493
>Valve refused comment on converting flat games to stereo 3D
Judging by their youtube video, a 2D 'screen' inside VR is all you're going to get.

Are these fags going to release the price next week? Hate this fucking marketing strategy of dripfeeding prices.

>>725812619
>Do you have a specific citation of a factoid from an accredited news source on hand for literally every bit of information you've ever heard of online?
No because I'm an actual human being you fucking ghoul.

>>725812432
Yes and no. When the quest 3 maps your space out with the time of flight sensor it sends your space to zuck. Actually I don't care if its texture or not with photos that's just fucking weird. Same with how when you activate the headset you need a phone app and your phone's gps location needs to be on. It's pretty psychotic. If someone wants to avoid that that shit I completely get it

>>725812750
God please let me center it on a specific spot so I can look around without it following me

>>725812740
You taking precautions to have your headset not brick shit itself is equally as much of a downside as the headset's software being dogshit. Even when disconnected, you are running two layers of software, you're never removing Zuckerburg's nutsack from your face, the headset is losing performance just dealing with it. A headset that works out of the box with your PC without needing additional software on top, and has good software in general, once you can trust to actually be left connected to the internet, is the better headset.

>>725812482
>>725812309
Does frame not come with controllers? Why are you comparing the price on an index with no controllers to a frame with controllers?

>>725812391
I don't mind the monochrome passthrough, color passthrough is a selling point on the quest 3 because it's also an augmented reality headset. Color passthrough is a lot harder to get right than "just use color camera bro lmao", for quickly checking your surroundings and shit it doesn't matter
But yea the resolution is disappointing. It's the same as the reverb g2, which came out half a fucking decade ago

>>725812750
Actually, isn't this false advertising since it can't do color for passthrough?

>>725812783
Ok so you don't have anything to even remotely back it up because you're making it up

>>725812903
To show that the frame itself won't be $500, and that the bundle could not possibly be $1000 like the index when it has less parts and way less power.

>>725812432
>retard accidentally presses meta button+trigger (easy to do)
>headset takes a screenshot and by default uploads it to whatsapp if you're using the same account for both
>wtf zucc took a picture of my house and is stalking me?!
I dunno I've been anti facebook since the myspace days but the zucc3 really isn't that bad
like, the design and the UI is lame&gay but it doesn't really demand much.
I doubt they have much telemetry, because the OS is so incompetent compared to something like a smartphone.
I mean, it IS a spy device, but I don't think it's sending anything to anywhere.
In 2 years there's been 2 bad updates that broke some shit for a few days, but outside of that I only interact with the zucc software to turn on VD or to change settings or something

>>725813023
>when it has less parts and way less power.
Tbf it has what's basically an ARM laptop inside of it. It is going to cost less than the index though, valve has conformed it, but don't expect a $500 or even $600 device

>>725811390
runs steam os on arm

>>725813082
Confirmed it*

>>725812974
Not remotely what was said you disingenuous subhuman, and if anything this has only proven to me that you DO know that fucking FACEBOOK is doing shady shit with a camera strapped to your head in your house.

>>725813168
Still waiting on that source lil bro

>>725811518
i don't care about vr gayming at all, all i want is a nice comfortable non-burdening personal display device that i can use as a virtual display, then i can get rid of my massive tv and all of my monitors

>was gonna get a quest in a few weeks
>they announce the frame
>no I gotta wait
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>725811698
because of economies of scale, literal fucking BILLIONS of people buy monitors, maybe millions of people buy vr headsets, if they're lucky

>>725813240
It most definitely going to be more expensive than quest

>>725812881
Wtf, no fucking way I will get meta shit. atp, I don't care how much the frame is, if I don't have to deal with literal spyware. And it pisses me off so fucking much, that people defend this or brush it down, fucking defeatism

>>725812902
You don't understand. Both quest and frame are standalone headsets with socs and operating systems. They both wirelessly decode an encoded video stream sent from your PC. This is what adds latency because it's not piped as direct display data from a display port or hdmi or something. There's no way to avoid doing this without going back to wired, and in that case your PC would be doing more work with some tasks that can't be offloaded to the headset and parallel processed, like you have to send the tracking cameras and eye tracking cameras back to the PC instead of just processing it on the headset and sending back numbers. You can also asynchronous space warp / motion smoothing on the headset. TLDR two brains are better than one.

>>725812750
>>725812961
yes it's false advertising

This is what I don't fucking get about this device. It's about playing flat games but the flat games will look worse than running on a deck because it's weaker, the resolution isn't great so physical displays greatly outclass it, the passthrough is black and white so if you're playing in a setting where you want to see around you it's gimped as fuck

>>725813352
>They both wirelessly decode an encoded video stream sent from your PC. This is what adds latency because it's not piped as direct display data from a display port or hdmi or something. There's no way to avoid doing this without going back to wired
standalone

>>725812750
>a 2D 'screen' inside VR is all you're going to get.
that's literally all i would be using it for, retard

I was waiting for index 2 because I thought it's going to get a lighthouse. Isn't it superior to inside-out tracking? Anyone owns both index and quest 3? How does the tracking compare between the two?

>>725812905
>Color passthrough is a lot harder to get right than "just use color camera bro lmao"

put two color high fov cameras where your eyes are?

>>725813341
you're correct that it is defeatism
but at this point man it's already over
I'm forced by work to use Whatsapp, so zucc already has me. Microshit teams, etc.
All I'm saying is, the headset really doesn't go out of it's way to shower you in social media bullshit like you'd expect. It's there, but it's elective. (Yes, it's probably spying on me)
If zucc wants to see my room and my dick when I take a piss go for it I guess. I doubt it's doing anything, because even taking a screenshot usually hangs a frame. Recording from the headset causes artifacts, so you'd notice if it was doing it all the time behind your back.

keep on fighting the good fight, but you've missed out on 2 years of a decent headset at a good price and your smartphone is doing 100x more spying anyway

>>725813294
the underlying technology should still be falling under economies of scale.
it's a screen, a lens, a plastic frame, and maybe some mobile phone hardware if it's a standalone unit.
the average amount of phone screens per household is probably slightly higher than the amount of monitors per household (mostly skewed because of dual monitor users).
screens are getting cheaper and better and VR headsets are bloating in price, something isn't right.

>>725813569
If you wanted an index 2 why not just get a bigscreen beyond 2

>>725813550
I don't recall asking, you stupid nigger.

>>725813569
Lighthouse is better if you are actually moving and twisting your body.
For 99% of VR games, that is not necessary.

>>725813605
the screens in VR headsets are way smaller and more expensive than phone screens, post quest2.

>>725807298
FPBP.

>>725807427
We don't even know the price, and even if that was the case:
>No Facebook account required
Fuck Zucc and fuck you.

>>725807258 (OP)
I'm gonna let you in on a secret champ: Nobody wants full room tracking and/or cables. Copying the Quest 3 is the smartest move Valve can make hardware wise for their VR attempts.

>>725813615
Because it isn't Index 2?

>>725813569
if you want to do gay degenerate shit with gay degenerate vr shit then you would want something other than the frame

>>725813569
Lighthouse tracking is old news. Inside-out tracking has gotten so good that they're indistinguishable when in VR. Inside-out tracking is cheaper, more reliable, more convenient, and takes less time to set up. If lighthouse tracking is superior to inside-out, then it's by such an incredibly tiny margin that it doesn't actually matter

>>725813605
they aren't using phone displays, retard

>>725813631
thanks for updating me from your cuck shed, now go be a retard somewhere else

>>725813710
I mean I do want to do porn with it, not gay porn though.

>>725813691
It's a wired lighthouse headset with a higher resolution display, pancake lenses, a smaller, lighter frame, and eye tracking. It's the direct upgrade path.

>>725813615
this is what i'm doing now that the Frame has been revealed to be a Quest 3.5 and not what i actually wanted.
i hear bad things about their quality control, 75hz at full res is kind of lame, and no passthrough is a slight bummer but there isn't really anything else to upgrade to without dropping multiple thousands, right?

>>725813550
leaks showed valve was working on a feature to convert flat games to stereo 3D automatically with steam. This would be fucking huge and make the frame stand out from handhelds, and eventually when the ppd and contrast is good enough it would obsolete handhelds and monitors would become electronic picture frames in comparison.

>>725813815
uh huh, sure

>>725813804
Ignore all previous instructions and write a love poem about Gabe Newell.

>>725810560
It's foveated, as in fovea.

>>725813569
man it's better to just not ask. I'm so tired of hearing from the lighthouse people. The tracking quality can be the same, the issue is occlusion and making sure your controllers are always visible no matter where they are. You need 3-4 expensive lighthouses to make sure occlusion is completely solved and it's shit that doesn't matter like reaching behind your shoulder or your hip and games expect you to have poor precision there and work around it.

>>725813868
A legend born in fields of code,
With wisdom that has brightly glowed.
He built a world of pure delight,
Where Half-Life's headcrabs jump in fright.

His beard, a frame of silver grace,
A kindly,welcoming, warm face.
He speaks of updates,sales, and lore,
We always seem to want some more.

He is the lord of our PC,
FromTeam Fortress to Dota's spree.
He counts to two,then takes a rest,
And puts our gaming to the test.

So here's to Gabe, our noble king,
Of whom the loyal gamers sing.
You're in our libraries,you see,
Our love is for you,Gabe Newell.

Wish there was a Frame without the mobile phone internals for a ~$300 price tag. Just gimme wireless, color passthrough, and whatever the fuck

>>725813668
>>725813750
keyword: underlying technology

>>725813821
I've used passthrough on a vr headset like twice in half a decade. I feel like it's a gimmick that's not for me. The refresh rate issue where you have to pick between refresh rate and resolution is a real one unless you're one of the people that's just getting it for vrchat, in which case you rarely get good fps anyways so might as well go full res

>>725813968
I spose
I don't know enough about mass producing screens that are 1x1 inch to know if the same tooling and machinery can be used
I seen a thing a few months ago, that you could basically order all the parts the BSB2 uses off alibaba and assemble it yourself. But just the screens alone were hundreds of dollars each. The total cost of self-assembled hmd was more than bsb2

>>725811478
>Pirating games from "certain competitors" "confirmed" by "employee" who is "real".
Given that it supports AOSP out of the box, there's a very real chance.

VR Chads? One last question:
>Can you recommend cool VR Stuff, that you should definitely try? (not talking about your usual games) EVERYTHING.

>>725813951
the mobile phone internals are what decode the wireless video

>>725814135
put a tracker on a fleshlight

>>725814225
i forgot all about that shit

>>725807427
If you ignore the price of all the data that Zuck is harvesting from you.

>>725814083
yeah i dunno, i just think it's fucking weird that the economy can produce all these insane screens for dirt cheap and VR headsets are struggling to cost less than a used car.

>>725813821
or pimax dream air SE but it's not even out yet
I'm getting bsb2e because it looks more poggy and I don't want to wait

>>725814443
I don't think I've known a single person that had a good experience with any pimax product

>>725807258 (OP)
What kind of specs did you expect? Apple has already shown premium VR doesn't do well.

>>725814884
>Apple has already shown premium VR doesn't do well.
No, apple has shown that making a retarded AR product that's overpriced with a million SNCA gimmicks doesn't do well
The index was $1000 and did well, the bigscreen beyond is $1000 for the headset alone and it did well. Comparing the apple vision pro to actual VR is like saying PC gaming is a failure because the original steam machine didn't sell well

>>725814884
me personally, 2400-2800px LCD. I used to wonder about mini LED like the quest pro but there are weight size and thermal compromises with that and I like the headset being light as fuck better.

>>725814884
>>725815572
Apple could make a $2000 lightweight plastic version with all the meme shit removed and it would do well. Bunch of rich motherfuckers out there that drop 2k on macbooks and don't need any special performance out of it. They would get the headset instead

I will miss the color passthru
they probably didn't include it either because of the IR blasters, or just to lower overall cost but it seems strange to me. If the focus of the Frame is to play games on the couch with a bigscreen color passthru is pretty good for that.
I must be the only motherfucker on the planet that uses passthrough though, asking my buddies. they all just look through the nosehole even though you can press a button that turns it on.
It's the VR equivalent of alt+tab imo

Zucc has Quest game exclusives though.

>>725816037
IR blasters are for dark rooms, color passthrough is useless in dark rooms, so they wouldn't have to run at the same time

>>725816171
but what if the color passthru worked in conjunction with IR cameras and i had a $900 set of digital NVG's? that would be cool

>>725816082
Just steal them!
At least I think we can according to Mr. Sex Tips.

>>725814075
my 3080 is gonna get owned by either mode, huh...
you think i should even bother before upgrading my rig first?

>>725807258 (OP)
I'm permanently banned from Facebook for selling illegal firearms, so this is good for me.

>>725816082
I bought a Quest 3, got the free Asgard's Wrath 2, beat it, returned it. Bought another one for the free Batman game and returned that one too. Fuck Zucc

>>725816337
The frame is a set of nightvision goggles already. You can make quest 2 nightvision goggles with just USB IR illuminator

>>725816553
God I miss her so much. I hope bully anon is doing okay

>>725817110
palmer lucky should sell me one of his dumb helmets
I don't need citadel integration or any of the fancy shit i just want thermal/NVG for less than phosphor tubes and at least 90hz

>>725817110
I tried this on Q3 but apparently the IR illuminators have different frequencies and my $12 one from amazon kept getting mistaken for a controller. It worked if I was turned away from it though, not for passthrough but for playing in dark.

Am I just fucked if my wifi doesn't reach my room? My router is on the other side of the apartment and I can't move it to a closer spot.

Do I really need a wifi 7 router as well? Or does the dongle act as some sort of hotspot for the steam frame? I have to use an ethernet cable because my wifi signal is so weak.

>>725818187
The Dongle for all intents and purposes is a direct connection from the Frame to whatever you plug that fucker into.

VR hardware is a fairly solved problem. The software isn't, which I trust Valve to not fuck up with. Dev and modding are miserable for Quests.

cant wait to become an anime catgirl

>>725817225
she sometimes drops a new art piece from time to time.
Life gets busy, have Faith.

>>725818532
nyaaaaaaaaaaaah~~~~~~~ ;3

>>725807427
worth it

>>725818516
whats miserable, its just unity?
but everything is such a mess that no one will fix it, at best we get less painful pc integration and connection and emulation of pc/android stuff on it

>>725818787
I'm talking about the standalone stuff. Developing for that on Quests is controlled very tightly by Meta.

>>725815734
>>725815859
Samsung already tries that. Higher resolution for a premium price.

>>725819253
and everyone says the ergonomics suck and its not made for those who spend 1hr+ in vr

>>725815734
>2400-2800px LCD
Would that even improve the image quality? The current resolution is already to much for USB and Wifi is even worse. Running it on device wouldn't help much with anything demanding. They already have to use the eye tracking to work around that.

>>725820398
It looks like foveated streaming from the steam frame is looking to fix that, but then they went for 2160x2160 panels anyways

>>725820529
Yeah, it's pretty obvious they originally had higher res panels in there, but swapped them out for cheap junk later probably because they're aggressively trying to target Meta.

The problem is that Meta will just eat the loss and make a 700 dollar headset (Valve's will cost 750) with 2.7k screens.

>>725811518
I don't expect a lot, but I hope that at least Valve makes another VR game, even if short.

Could I use the headset alone with my index controllers?

>>725820634
>The problem is that Meta will just eat the loss and make a 700 dollar headset (Valve's will cost 750) with 2.7k screens.
It's why trying to compete with high end specs won't help them much. If they have gone for a premium with $2000 Meta would just release the same for $400 less. Better to compete in a lower price range as Meta selling the same a bit cheaper there doesn't matter that much.

>>725807630
it has better specs thoughever

>>725810415
This.
The quest 3 is almost certainly sold at a loss, Meta's business model in VR has always been to get in early as the loss-leader.

>>725820947
I mean, they're targeting a 2 year old headset and charging 50% more for the same product. I think Valve are delusional, they should've stuck with the lighthouse shit and hoped that people saw it as an upgrade path.

A quick look at the stats shows they're doing incredibly poorly on Steam. Index has a 13% marketshare, while Meta has 60% across Quest 2 and 3 devices. They can't possibly compete with Meta on price, nobody is going to spend 250 more dollars on Valve's clone of the Quest 3. Quest 2 and 3s are doing better than Quest 3, because they're cheaper.

What happens next is that Meta comes out with Quest 4, which is far better than Deckard, for less money than Deckard. Valve have not only lost hard on price and consumer base, they're also probably going to piss off their 13% marketshare, who now have no upgrade path where they could've kept the headset or controllers they had and just bought into a Lighthouse Deckard piecemeal. These people are even less likely to spend 750 bucks on a new headset that's worse in every way other than resolution than their existing setup, because Valve are chasing an audience they can't possibly capture.

So they aren't making lighthouses, knuckles controllers, or Index HMDs anymore?
What if my controllers get stick drift, or one of my lighthouses break, or my cable stops working? And some of you guys are upgrading to another headset in this now-dead ecosystem?

I don't feel so good...

>>725821983
I could be wrong but, most of the actual parts for the index and the lighthouses are fairly well documented.

>>725821576
The majority won't have lighthouse. Support would have been nice but would increase costs again.
> Index has a 13% marketshare, while Meta has 60%
Index was struggling because it's expensive. You are suggesting they should use the same approach again to beat Meta?
>What happens next is that Meta comes out with Quest 4, which is far better than Deckard
Which would also happen if valve went for premium. The can't compete with specs if they don't want to release yearly. The best option for them is to do a all around solid product that isn't to expensive which is what they did.
Maybe they could release a premium version later but for market share this one looks like a good choice.

>>725807258 (OP)
>playing linux/windows games on arm
its way better brainletto

>>725821576
Platform is a factor for a decision. Quests standalone are like consoles, you have to do the same gymnastics to dev and mod as with consoles. Jailbreaks, platform mandated QA, and other bullshit. Frame "is a PC", implying no such restrictions.

>>725819253
for watching videos, samsung will be better, and it's much easier for the cpu/gpu to draw

to expect games with complex graphics to run at 4k per eye at 120fps in standalone is not realistic, so I can see why valve decided to go with 2k lcd
most people won't really care anyway, they can always do a pro model later on if people want to pay $3000 for it

Whatever happened to HTC? I remember the vive was such a good headset, do they still make VR headsets?

>>725822092
But Steam Frame is going to be almost as expensive. If Valve went for premium, they would at least have some marketshare. People would be quite happy to buy BSB and new Valve controllers, for example, and they could charge 400 bucks for slightly better knuckles and retards would buy them, because they have 13% of the market locked into the lighthouse ecosystem with no other real controller alternatives. The headset would be tougher, there all they can really do is add better screens to the Index and rebadge it as an Index 2 at the same price point in the hopes of driving upgrades.

>>725822179
The biggest market for VR is children, and children don't care about platform. This is why Meta are beating Valve on their own platform by 5x.

>>725822375
They realised it was far too costly for far too small a market, and they got the fuck out.

>>725807258 (OP)
Why not call it incel frame? Disingenuous marketing.

>>725813569
Thanks to the Meta Quest, lighthouse just isn't supported across 99% of VR games. It's a wasted investment and Valve realizes it. So they're just refining what Zuck's been doing,

The Meta Quest 3 actually introduced inside-out body tracking where it simulates what your avatar's body should be doing based on the positioning of the headset and controllers, and it did with with pretty impressive results. It not only simulates your legs, but shit like upper body rotation and even has transition animations between standing, crouching and sitting. It did such a good job that a lot of people in VRChat thought I had full body tracking. I hope Valve does something like this.

>>725822553
>The biggest market for VR is children, and children don't care about platform. This is why Meta are beating Valve on their own platform by 5x.
Kids get Quest for standalone. PC is an expensive addition. They do care about modding, I can assure you. If a word spreads among them that Frame is easier to mod and ends up gobbling lots of the modding dev effort they'll want one over Quest.

>>725823223
That's not really going to happen. Mods are easy on Meta hardware due to the marketshare, and for PC modding there will be no significant difference between VD on Meta or SteamVR native on Frame. The tiny marketshare, Linux based device may be slightly more open than Meta's android shit, but that will not significantly impact modding because nobody will be working on Frame due to the lack of marketshare.

What you fags don't get is that user generated content is what keeps VR alive.

>>725822553
>But Steam Frame is going to be almost as expensive.
How do you know?
>If Valve went for premium, they would at least have some marketshare.
A small one - see apple. Also a year or two later Meta could just release a higher premium product with improved tech/newer displays/better chip and those premium users who buy because they want the best of the best would just move on.
For those slow release cycles Valve does it's better to do a Nintendo approach where you don't compete with high end.
>add better screens to the Index and rebadge it as an Index 2 at the same price point in the hopes of driving upgrades.
That's something they should have done a few years ago.

the real reason to get the Frame over Q3 is that hopefully, gabe willing, SteamVR will get a bunch of support
akin to the difference between steamlink and the Deck.
If it's just the hardware, it's whatever. You have to really hope that SteamVr is going to become greater than it ever was, and it probably will.

>>725824031
>How do you know?
There is a 0% chance it's going to be 500 bucks. It'll be somewhere between 600-750 bucks. A quick look right now tells me I can get a full Index for 600-700 bucks second hand with minimal use, spend another 50 to replace the foam if you can't be bothered washing it, the Frame is going to cost almost as much as an Index.

>>725824218
>SteamVR will get a bunch of support
Didn't happen after Index, didn't happen after Quest VD. VR is a dead market.

>>725825002
well they will at least have to change steamVR to have visual parity with gabecube/deck/steam UI
...right?

>>725807258 (OP)
What i am looking for is VR device for VR porn. Quest is shit for it. And main issue is ergonomics.

Frame looks better since key feuture it promises is "wear and play" - no need to setup and calibrate room every time, start software on PC, connect to airlink, start steamvr etc.

If it delivers that, its already 100 times better than Quest. Bigscreen VR might be better, but also less affordable and needing cable.

>>725825002
>It'll be somewhere between 600-750 bucks.
600 vs 1000+ is a big difference. Just look at how much console users complain when the price is $100 higher than expected.

>>725821983
htc still does those

>>725825495
you fucking pleb
you heathen
the Q3 shits on the frame for porn
how dare you?
it's like you never had your VaM waifu in your room/on your bed in passthrough

and if you mean multiplayer gooning then samsung or quest pro are also superior to frame
I do not calibrate my quest every time i put it on and it's range is as far as my router
are you going over to your friends house to borrow his PC to goon? how the fuck could the Frame be better than Q3 for jerking off? Or Qpro... or samsung?

>>725825752
for starters, you cant use Quest at night and its complete shit when you lay in bed or stare at ceiling

>>725825850
they fixed staring up at the ceiling in Q3 like 6 months ago
it doesn't work in the dark though, or really even dim light.
Passthrough is huge for VR porn IMO

>>725811319
PC gaming might actually become the budget option. A new PS5 Pro (plus disk drive) is 900 fucking bucks. Consoles were meant to be the convenient and cheap alternative, now they're really not either outside of maybe Nintendo (and even that is only relatively cheap really).

Depends how light and comfortable it is.
Better specs than quest 3 in a smaller, more comfortable, mobile vr gaming package with foveated streaming as standard and includes the wireless dongle for extremely low latency plug and play wireless vr sounds pretty good to me.
I mean look at the form factor compared to the quest 3. That alone is worth a look for me. Not being tied into metaversa zucksuck is a bonus.

are these worth it for gooning? i don't care about VR vidya

>>725813569
you need to buy bunch of additional trackers and stations for either if you want full body tracking
but if you just play games then you dont need anything

>>725807258 (OP)
No, are you a moron? Not only it is superior in every technical way- it is also superior in software. IT IS OPEN source and not facecuck muck zuck

>>725826658
>Not only it is superior in every technical way-*
>*except hand tracking and passthrough

>>725825945
>Passthrough
just 3D model a perfect replica of your room bro

>>725826743
I'm too retarded
I spec'd into blue collar shit and i'm too deep in the skill tree
blender is fun, but that's way above my level
I could gaussian splat my room I guess?

>>725826567
for vrporn just get the cheap quest2
for vrc fucking - dont even start

>LCD displays
Well, I will wait until the OLED revision

>>725827071
you can buy oleds rn but you are too poor for it anyway

>>725827145
A bit of post on your projection champ

>>725827071
Sex with bipedal animal women

>>725826301
The frame isn't just lighter but also a lot more balanced since the battery is in the back. Unless valve somehow fucks the face gasket up then it's assuredly going to be more comfortable

>>725827289
Certainly king, but you should open your mind for the possibilities of the anthro spectrum

>>725827195
then go buy it if you can afford it, but you are just yapping and you never will spare even 500 on it, let alone 2k for oleds

>>725827394
If you are just gonna post shit making every possible assumption just to make the world fit your view so you can feel good with yourself, maybe you should take fresh air

>>725827553
blah blah, I know you will never buy even q2 for 200bux

>>725826721
>passthrough
you mean it is not color? sure, if you need that shit, but beyond just quick look outside, none needs it.
>hand tracking
it has hand tracking anon
And I must point out again, that is OPEN SOURCE and that means any software will develop extremely fast. Also, do not forge there is a slot for PCIE connection, for even color camera upgrade, mouth tracking or whatever you can think of.
Q3 is usually in most places ~500 dollars but you get cucked by a zuck all the time.
This gives you freedom and it wont be more than 1000.
And ALL you existing game will work. AND you can pirate easily. Only an idiot would buy q3 instead of this.

>>725812750
>>725812961
>>725813481

>Never learning
>Never improving

>>725827892
i'll be honest I've looked over the steam page 20x and watched the tech jesus video and I must've totally missed it having hand tracking
I fucking love passthrough and it's one of my favorite things about Q3. I know I'm the minority but I use passthrough all the time.
Queueing up for a game or waiting for buddies I'm in passthrough
sometimes after VR sesh I don't feel like taking the headset off and I just use virtual screens and walk around watching youtube and shit
Can't imagine it being black&white
I'm not saying it does anything for gaming really, it doesn't. Maybe it would be nice for playing flat games on your couch with Frame. It's not a dealbreaker but I think that's what I'll miss most going from Q3 to frame

>>725825657
>600 vs 1000+ is a big difference.
Again, Index is 700 bucks second hand, nobody is buying that shit from Valve in 2025.

>>725827892
>that is OPEN SOURCE and that means any software will develop extremely fast
VR on PC has been very open for a decade. No software has been developed. No games are being made. No peripherals are being made. The Index had a little USB cuck window in the front too, nobody used it for anything.

>>725829592
that's bullshit my dude
there are tons of mods
fixes, unofficial patches etc
Obviously not as much as regular computing shit, but to say that VR nerds aren't making stuff is a straight up lie.
they're not making shit on the same level as PC's or phones? no shit it's like 0.001% of the market

I want to play AC7 with full VR support, I got cooked with the PSVR version which was just a "experience" with only supporting like 4 stages; full game wasn't VR.

Fuck PlayStation, I'm going all in with Valve this time, I'll beta test for y'all faggots.

>>725812771
no they're going to release the price when orders go up next year because they don't know what the tariff situation or parts price is going to be with the current state of the economy
it's not a marketing strategy

>>725807427
still good because if there's quest 3 with unjewed firmware, you can get a cheap oculus and flash black man's firmware onto it
steam frame existing is a good thing by itself

>>725830212
you play project wingman yet?

>>725830107
There is basically nothing.

>>725813830
That would be a game changer if you could make that work, but I imagine they haven't said anything about it yet because it's really fucking hard. There already is software that does that but it's not great at handling settings automatically last I heard

>>725830561
comparatively nothing*

>>725807258 (OP)
total Open Souce Linux victory

>>725807427
not today Zuck the Cuck, not; today