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==NEWS==
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Summer Game Fest Trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xAuG3JfIg [Open] [Embed]
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Price Breakdown:https://x.com/sonicstadium/status/1931114573177995627
>New card game Sonic Blitz released download here.https://pad.riseup.net/p/qQuY_QfXPQct68PyFm-e
>New Sonic Manga announced on CoroCoro by the SXSG manga artist, Sonic and the Blade of Courage:https://x.com/soniccitynet/status/1922691331966607716?s=46
>Chao Tales Full Serieshttps://youtu.be/EENSzPFeVFQ [Open] [Embed]
>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayed againhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/
==Comics Release Dates==
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog #4 - 18 June 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #79 - 25 June 2025
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog #5 - 16 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #80 - 23 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - August 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026
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>Perfect System Collection:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NA28SqNWzuyaCmeePsdOabcemjzg3t1M/view
>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone
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>>527053323 (OP)>Nintendo is scared>people only started noticing Crossworlds when Spongebob and Miku got leaked and revealedScared of what? At least Mario can sell by himself.
>>527053323 (OP)... THAT THEY WILL ONLY SELL 49 MILLION COPIES INSTEAD OF 50 MILLION COPIES
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Sheep supremacy.
My name is Miles Prower. My friends call me Tails! My mom has been acting weird lately. What do I do to help her?
>>527053406So what the fuck do you want then?, Leave if you wanna leave, we don't give a fuck about you telling us your retard friends aren't here anymore, if they left they didn't like this place to begin with, so who cares?
You're just being an attention whore and expecting people to change the way they post just to avoid having your little feelings hurt.
> POV You're Sonic Racing CrossWorlds
uh oh the newfags are having a melty because they fell for the "4chan is the worst place on the internet" meme and forgot how to have a conversation
> Get your tiny gremlin ass outta bed, it's time for a new thread
>>527053778Been seeing a lot of that lately. Was there another Twitter exodus or some shit?
Sonic should crossover with Scooby-Doo.
>>527053323 (OP)>Iizuka confirms Sonic characters can't interact with crossover characters>Crossover characters are also mute Crossworlds? Flops.
Tails!
>>527053778True lol
>527053778 - no (you) for (you)
>I'm gonna say so retarded shit and once I get a response calling out my stupidity, I'm gonna claim they're having a melty
4chan is not the worst place on the Internet, but we don't have to be nice to you.
>>527053694These kinds of posts is what I mean. Just complete and utter vitriol and anger over something that you admit yourself is a non-issue. Why even make a post like this other than to be an asshole? And this is most posts in this general too. There's no reason or logic. Nothing to even be discussed or argued. You're just being an asshole on 4chan because that's the only way you know how to interact on here. It's honestly just kind of sad because I've met people like you and almost always they're like this because they have a shit life and don't know how to socialize with people.
>>527053707If it was like Sonic Racing Crossworlds, after Mario, it should be Olimar, Scooby Doo, Rick Sanchez, and the Terraria avatar instead of those 4 secondary character bums that don't sell copies.
>>527053707>Sonic crossworlds giving blowjobs to Mario Kart world
Behave or you will get hacked again
>>527053538Sonaze>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shitamy
>>527053707Poor Sonic never gets invited kart racing
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>>527052434https://tcrf.net/Sonic_Adventure_(Dreamcast)/Adventure_Mode#Errors.2FUnused
>527054139
>Y-you're so mad
Fucking grow up.
An adult orca can grow as large as thirty feet long and weigh up to six tons. Their jaws don't allow for mastication (chewing) so they either swallow prey whole or bite off chunks small enough to swallow. Adult orca have been known to swallow fully grown sea otter whole which grow to between 3½ to 5ft. A single adult orca had washed up on a beach near Russia that had seven whole adult sea otters in its stomach. Amy is 2'11" meaning she would be nothing but a tiny pink snack to a killer whale. Orca canonically exist in Sonics universe so it's not without reason to assume some mobians, particularly aquatic faring ones haven't ended up on the wrong end of a killer whales throat. Mobians have human level intelligence which means they probably have human level kinks and fetishes so it's entirely possible that there are mobians with vore fetishes out there that know there are animals large enough to indulge their fantasies. There is a non zero percent chance that in Sonic universe there exists an honest to goodness snuff film of a voraphillic mobian getting off to feeding themselves to an oversized dolphin.
>>527053691self insert shit slop coded
>>527053720>Silver has more things to stand on like moral dilemmas, powers, interactions,...time travel is just one thing but not the biggest thing, he's just from the future which what his design intel'sYou cannot be serious. The "moral dilemna" was atrocious writing and it's part of the reason why people hated his character, his powers are inconsistent and nobody even knows how he should interact with Sonic and Shadow since his relationships with either character are so underbaked.
People want him to get a reintroduction as a hero to save Sonic's world from a massive future disaster like Trunks did for Goku. If he can't even do that Silver's character is packed
>Why does X character show up so much?
>Why does X character never show up?
The answer has and always will be that someone high on the dev team wants X character to be used, so they will be used.
>>527054002wanted to draw some more of them today but I can't find the motivation.
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>>527054216>If Shadow can't be a villain first hero second like vegeta then he's packedYeah shut up, you barely know what Silver is all idk why i'm giving you the time of day.
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>>527053364Crossworlds feels like a huge disrespect to Sonic fans. Many thought that the title meant every Sonic universe would congregate in this spin off racer, but actually... no, it's a crossover ONLY with other IPs UNRELATED to Sonic. This garbage is seriously leaving a bad taste in my mouth, and it's even more absurd how some are trying to defeat having soulless filth such as Spongeshit in it. It's absolutely inexcusable. Whoever pitched this stupid idea should be fired immediately from Sega. How can someone not feel perplexed with all this trash? What the hell is even happening with this series?
>>527054418We can post Twitter Arguments again?
>>527054572Shadow was actually a villain and then he became a hero like Vegeta. Silver is yet to prove himself as a time traveling hero like Trunks did.
Mario Kart World sucks and will flop because it doesn't have Gru and the Grinch. Fix this Nintendo.
The Flynnfags are starting to crack
How many people sucked Tails dick?
>>527054752>90% on Metacritic and nearly 2 million sales in Japan already >flop
>>527054132give them some Chaos Cola!
>>527054515that's okay, maybe inspiration will strike later
what were you drawing them doing?
>>527054830Flynn has been burning through his goodwill with the fandom for years now. He was bound to run out eventually.
>>527054916no she drinks too much soda already
Everybody’s Super Sonic Fucking!
>>527054393>>527054737Silver saved Sonic's world twice though.
>If he wasn't there in Sonic 06 Sonic's world would have been consumed by Solaris.
>If he wasn't there in Sonic forces The heroes wouldn't have gotten the prototype they need to defeat Infinite
Silver also fights Solaris head on while Gohan steals all of Trunks thunder.
The Trunks comparisons have done a lot more damage to Silver than people realize
>>527054393>The "moral dilemna" was atrocious writing and it's part of the reason why people hated his character,Literally why people liked Trunks what?
>his powers are inconsistentAre you retarded???
>nobody even knows how he should interact with Sonic and Shadow since his relationships with either character are so underbaked.I'm talking about the reasons he could show up you retarde, not an 06 explanation
>People want him to get a reintroduction as a hero to save Sonic's world from a massive future disaster like Trunks did for Goku,If he can't even do that Silver's character is packedTrue it's a good story like all of Sonic character portrayals, but turning this to Amy of all people? no one is going to like that at all.
>>527054906Worse roster without that crossover kino Sonic chads have. It's over for Mario Kart World. 2 million is the limit.
>>527055160You mean the very comparison that ST themselves made while making him?
>>527054671Did you hate the other Sonic crossover racing games?
Cream is too much of a Girl Tails to be an actual Girl Tails. Tails is designed to contrast and follow Sonic, but it doesn't feel like Cream properly contrasts and follows Amy as well as she is intended to. What Cream needs is for her contrast with Amy to better highlighted. Amy is simply pure and sweet, but Cream needs to be pure and sweet plus something else. On top of that, Cream especially needs background context that establishes a foundation for her and Amy's relationship. This would, in turn, better distinguish Cream from Tails as his "female mirror" like Amy to Sonic.
Sonic is cool, Amy is warm.
Since Tails is warm, Cream should be cool.
Cream is described as being polite with good manners because of her "strict, disciplined" upbringing, and she is definitely much more cool-headed then Amy already. So, leaning into that a bit more to further emphasize their different vibes and energy levels would be a benefit to both characters together. But again, background context for their relationship is also very important. If Cream is Amy's "sidekick", WHY does she follow or look up to Amy? Cream is the only character with a parental figure present, so what is the relationship between Amy and Vanilla? How do Amy and Cream's relationship differ from Sonic & Tails?
We know exactly why Sonic & Tails are friends. Tails was bullied for having two tails, until he saw Sonic race by. Tails was captivated by Sonic's presence and started following him ever, wanting to be cool too. Ever since, Sonic & Tails have developed an unbreakable bond, as Sonic sees Tails as a little brother figure, and Tails strives to be someone Sonic can rely on.
What is the story between Amy & Cream? Sonic Heroes... Amy is helping Cream & Cheese find Chocola. So, SA1 and Advance 2 combined.
In short, Cream should be "cool" to contrast Amy's warmth, and reuniting Cream with her family should be the foundation for what her bond with Amy is built on.
>>527054737Shadow is not a hero like Vegeta, he's an anti-hero you tard
Which fandom did you come from nigger?
>>527055348No, it was obvious from the beginning that the game was a 'few Sonic characters plus Sega IPs' spin off.
>>527053720>If you gave that to Amy you're intentionally killing her more then Silver, making her incompatible with sonic for being so young and destroying her main personality traits that she got from just being a girlIs it a hot take to say that this is the clearly the goal of Modern SEGA? They saw the backlash Amy got and are currently trying to redefine the character entirely but are struggling to give her a new base. It'd be crazy if they deduced to take away Silver's time travel gimmick and give it to her.
>>527055228>Worse roster without that crossover kino Sonic chads have. It's over for Mario Kart World. 2 million is the limit.>Jingling keys for mute people Sonic fans are hypocrites, and you're delusional. 2 million is crossworlds. If Mario kart world even makes a fraction of Mario kart 8, it'd still sell 15+ million copies.
>>527055238Yes. It created a specific expectation that he cannot fill
The virgin "let's do it to it"
> Vauge
> Grammatically incorrect
> Sounds like a Disney Channel catchphrase
The Chad "Up, Over, and Gone"
> Relevant to Sonic's speed and move ment
>>527055408Once again we have Sparky caring more about archetypes and dynamics than the characters themselves
>>527054916>what were you drawing them doing?nothing at the moment, I was actually thinking of ideas first and foremost. I have enough thought up backstory to work with but now I'm just trying to work up the motivation to draw something out.
>>527053694>if they left they didn't like this place to begin withOr this place changed in some way and they didn't like that
>>527054139I hate the "le worst place on le internet" narrative exactly for this reason. It attracts these morons here, they think they're welcome. I wish journalists would stop talking about websites they clearly know nothing about
>>527054737>random bullshitHaving a good day wasting your time schizo?
>>527055589I do care about the characters themselves. Archetypes and dynamics is simply a necessary component in how it all works together.
>>527055348Not him, but I personally didn't care for them and they at least titled themselves as and Sega All Stars. The timing is different too. Those games were released when too many friends complaints were at an all time high while this is getting released when people want Sonic's extended cast back.
SHADOW DON’T MAKE ME UPSET
>Switch 2 just broke launch records
>Sega put their highest rated 3D title in years on it and gave it no marketing push so it’s rotting on shelves more than Puyo Puyo Tetris 2S
Why the fuck do they do this to themselves
>>527053323 (OP)>MK worlds releases>Pasta stonks start dropping>Suits at the Roman senate are all shouting "MAMMA MIA" simultaneously>Senator Luigi is on the 7 simultaneous phone calls and is trying to sell the switch 2 at a discount with bundled MK and the new Splatoon.>Senator Donkey Kong is trying to get the Chinese to invest.>Meanwhile at a Yakuza family office>Ichiban Kasuga picks up the phone>"They are dipping? buy all of it">Donkey Kong notices that all the stocks have been acquired be an unknown Japanese firm.>Donkey Kong yells in dismay"uug uuug uuug uuga booga huuh huhu">Senator Bowser yells "WHAT? WHO IS THAT??">Aang breaks the front door open.>Aang steps up and says "Well gentlemen, looks like the deal has been sealed. your game sure looks pretty. but can it do this?">picrel>Gentlemen, Rome is under a new administration. *puts on Ottoman style turban*>Bowser, a Roman senator, steps up and says "This is ourageous">All Roman senators start yelling at Aang>Door breaks open>"MAMMA MIA! I LEAVE FOR A DROPPING PENGUIN OFF CLIFF BREAK AND WORLD START CRUMBLING...">All senators look at Emperor Mario the great in dismay without saying anything. Aang has a cocky smug look on his face>Senators point at Emperor Mario's back>Mario yells "WHAT IS A GOING ON? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT A...">Mario turns around and sees a huge blocky looking man. The blocky man wastes no time and immediately says the word>CHICKEN JOKEY>All the attending koopas and goombas immediately explode, all squid women burn like a vampire under the sun and the senators start screaming as they wet their pants as their eyes bleed.>They all drop dead and the senate becomes silent.>Ian Flynn walks through the front door.>"You know we had to do it to it. HAHA"
>>527055228>2 million is the limitmario kart world already made the switch 2 sell 3.5 million in a few days
>>527055408There is nothing wrong with Cream, and there's more to her than "Tails but female", they are two very distinct characters
>>527055572How is it grammatically incorrect?
>>527054054Why would they think Blaze is a sidekick? heck even in 06 Silver was more of her guard dog then anything
>>527054262Kys
>>527055408Isn't actual girl Tails wave?
>>527055159>Sonic's world would have been consumed by Solaris06 works on a bullshit timeloop which to this day makes no sense. In one timeline, Elise dies and Iblis destroys the world which results in Silver's future but in the timeline where Solaris exists, it's Sonic who died and Silver had a hand in it due to him inadvertently pushing Elise closer to Sonic by allowing her to keep getting kidnapped which meant Sonic kept saving her. There are two timelines at play here and Silver is the cause of the worst one which Sonic and Elise stopped.
>The heroes wouldn't have gotten the prototype they need to defeat InfiniteAll he did was knock it off during a fight which he lost. Sonic could have done that since he did more damage to Infinite than Silver did
>>527055732>"Amy and Cream's dynamic needs to be like Sonic and Tails' because Cream is girl Tails and Amy is girl Sonic so we should change Cream's personality to make it fit"You reduce characters to nothing but dynamics. Cream is perfect as is
>>527055835The future of Sonic looks great, Sonicbros. I love the Sonic and Nicktoons franchise so much.
>>527055795Nintendo fans would eat the shit out of miyamoto and call is a cuisine
Wasn't fowler retiring on making Sonic movies and got replaced or was i in a Mandela effect?
Mario Kart World already passed 3 million without a PS5 release
>>527055225>implying Trunks was ever tempted to kill Goku to save his future Trunks was liked because he was cool, effective and got shit done. Silver is none of these.
>>527055989>Sonic's world would have been consumed by Solaris>06 works on a bullshit timeloop which to this day makes no sense. In one timeline, Elise dies and Iblis destroys the world which results in Silver's future but in the timeline where Solaris exists, it's Sonic who died and Silver had a hand in it due to him inadvertently pushing Elise closer to Sonic by allowing her to keep getting kidnapped which meant Sonic kept saving her. There are two timelines at play here and Silver is the cause of the worst one which Sonic and Elise stopped. There is no timeline Sonic wins in 06 without Silver.
>>The heroes wouldn't have gotten the prototype they need to defeat Infinite>All he did was knock it off during a fight which he lost. Sonic could have done that since he did more damage to Infinite than Silver didSonic never did that, Silver did. Now you're remaking history to fit your agenda? You've lost.
>>527055851>no crossover characters, no spongebob, no miku, no steveMario Kart World will fail. Don't worry, Mariobabs, we will let Mario be a crossover character for us in a few months.
>>527056185trunks showed up at the start of the android saga, killed freiza and his dad and then spent the rest of the entire series jobbing
>>527055989>Silver is the cause of the worst timelineDefinitely not Shadow for releasing Mephiles and not killing him, alright.
>>527054139>>527055647It's kinda sad because you can tell there are a handful anons who post here are doing so just to call people faggots 24/7 and shit up threads with nonsense because they think that's totally what 4chan is and nothing more.
>>527055408Amy and Cream are a failed pairing. Either give Amy a new sidekick or give Cream a new hero. The damage is already done.
With so much bad news here’s some actual good news involving Sonic
Never beating the allegations.
>>527055795Crossworlds and MKW both have terrible graphics. Maybe I'm biased, but I just hate modern graphics in general. Everything feels indistinct and samey with those nerve-wracking ultra realistic HD graphics or whatever they are called.
Cream should be with Silver and Blaze.
>>527056314Meanwhile Silver showed up and nearly killed Sonic twice, got his shit pushed in by Shadow and keeps coming back to job
>>527055989>All he did was knock it off during a fight which he lost. Sonic could have done that since he did more damage to Infinite than Silver didSonic got his ass beaten and imp rosined for 6 months nigga, talk fairly about first fights, plus you want to add headcanons now? "Sonic would've got it!" really nigga? how about i add a much more believable headcanon which if Silver get to fight Infinite for a second time he could defeat him on his won and not with help like Sonic.
>>527056560shadow literally said he needed chaos control to defeat silver's base
>>527056481> Exclusive to Apple
>>527056185>because he was coolYes cause 06 sucked
Are you a newfag?
>>527056648Shadow used Chaos Control in his fight against Sonic in SA2 and lost. 06 Sonic was nerfed.
>>527056481This is more underwhelming than good. New character skins for a game in a console that barely anyone has played? Just released already in the Steam. What is the problem with Sega?
>The pathetic silverschizo is back
I feel bad for him.
>>527056814>Shadow used Chaos Control in his fight against SonicAnd blitzed Sonic so bad, he went to jail. Stop making stuff up.
>06 Sonic was nerfed.Sonicfag cope.
>>527056817Just release it already on Steam*
>>527055879>There is nothing wrong with Cream, and there's more to her than "Tails but female", they are two very distinct charactersAmy is just "Girl Sonic" and nothing else at all, and yet there's a lot more different between Sonic & Amy then there is between Tails and Cream.
Sonic is blue, Amy is pink, Tails & Cream are both yellow and/or orange. Sonic is cool and aloof, Amy is passionate and intense. Sonic lives in the present moment and doesn't care about past or future, Amy is a fortune teller who can predict and foresee what fate has in store. Sonic keeps his true feelings on the down low and would never let anyone see him cry, Amy wears her heart on her sleeve and would visibly burst into tears in front of everyone. Sonic values his own independence to the point that he refuses to commit to a relationship, Amy is completely devoted to Sonic and pursues romance with him at every opportunity.
Every single one of these things is a facet of how Amy Rose is "Girl Sonic". Meanwhile, with Cream... it's hard to find as many points of contrast, because the baseline for both of their personalities is very much the same. Both Tails & Cream are defined as kindhearted, pure hearted, gentle and polite people who treat everyone nicely, are more on the soft and timid side, look before they leap and act as voice of reasons or advisors to their respective hedgehog elder sibling figure. Yes, Tails has an IQ of 400 with terrible self-esteem, and Cream is specifically super-polite and disciplined more than anybody else... But that doesn't feel like a significant enough difference because those feel like minor aesthetic flavors or whatever on top of what is basically the same general personality.
Even in terms of personality type, I would say that Sonic is an ESFP if not ESTP, and Amy feels like ISFP. But Tails and Cream would both be ISFJ exactly. To get to Cream, all you need is to tone down Tails' intellect, make him more polite, and gender-swap him.
>>527053323 (OP)I keep reading this as "Nintendo is Sacred" and I'm afraid about what Freud would have to say about that little mistake.
>Silver sucks cause [headcanon]
>get proven wrong
>moves goal post
Man this guy can't get enough dicked can he?
Top of the mornin' /sthg/!
>>527056185Honestly the Trunks comparison only hurts Silver because Silver is a fundamentally different character from Trunks. Mechanically, personality wise and in his relationships with the rest of the cast.
>>527056092DARKSPINE ELIAS
>>527056956To add. Same situation: It's a character who doesn't know about chaos control vs a character who does.
You're talking about when Sonic already knew about chaos control.
>>527056956Shitdow lost the final fight in SA2 even without Chaos Control spam. Sonic was stronger than Shadow in SA2 once he learnt Chaos Control.
>>527056956I really doubt he's a Sonicfag, more then half the shit he's spewing doesn't align with anything that happened in the games
>>527055603tell me about them!
>>527056340overseeing her comic's progress, I see
how far along are you now?
Powerlevelfags are the worst subspecies of Silverfags. Silver's Sonic Channel profile says he rivals Sonic and Shadow. They're all equal but Sonic is the strongest.
>>527056529>nerve-wracking ultra realistic HD graphicsWhat new autism is this
Why did Mario Kart choose to prioritize literally whos like Pauline over characters like Samus and Bob the Minion? Don't they want to make money?
>>527057006>Amy is just "Girl Sonic" and nothing else at allWrong. Amy is based on Sonic, but she is still her own character distinct from Sonic beyond a simple character archetype
>>527057225We cannot have a Silver discussion without powerlevels. He lives off of being scaled to Sonic and Shadow.
>>527054002I've been designing the last two I need to fill out the wuxing cycle but also don't want to rush them. Kind of stuck with Water but I have a solid idea for Wood.
>>527057225Sonic is like Goku where even if his rivals surpass him he'll still have the ingenuity to go even farther than them not long after.
Ugh... "pop culture franchises"? My god... I have no words for such atrocity.
>>527057009Freud would say Mario and Luigi should have sex.
>>527057006Cream's entire character is "little innocent girl". Tails has more going on other than being a boy. There's your difference
We get it SilverSchizo, to reach a middle ground there are massive problems with Silver, that is true, but you can't just reach anywhere and expect an agreement, this is a kids franchise dependent on games, he's simply not utilized but only in one bad game and that's it.
>>527055929Heck no. How the heck do you look at Wave the Swallow, of all people, and conclude that she is 'Girl Tails'?!
They are nothing alike.
>But Wave is a mechanic!That means NOTHING in regards to her ACTUAL character. For Wave, her intelligence is reflected in having a very high and mighty sense of self-importance, looking down on everyone else as dumber than her, with a pretty mean attitude in general. And unlike Jet, Wave is very willing to play dirty and cheat to get what she wants. Not to mention, she's 10 years older than Tails and towers over him, and both literally and figuratively looks down on him.
There is nothing about Wave that follows "Girl Tails". She is designed in direct contrast to him as an antagonist or rival, very heavily.
>>527057326>Wrong.No, it isn't. Everything that makes Amy different from Sonic is based on the fact that she is the "GIRL Sonic".
>>527057429>Sonic cannot sell his own games anymore Hahahahaha
>>527057213I want to work on them a bit more before sharing. But Thank you for asking anon!
>>527054271At what point did they decide they were Flickies?
Was it just fan-fluff that got canonized because of Encyclo-Speed-Ian?
>>527057240That is just my own unique autism. You would not understand.
>>527057429Crossover franchise. Sonic is just the game's mascot.
>>527054383The sonic franchise has always been unusually friendly towards to vore fetish in general.
>>527056283>>no crossover characters, no spongebob, no miku, no steve>Mario Kart World will fail. Don't worry, Mariobabs, we will let Mario be a crossover character for us in a few months.>Sonicbabs flexing their mute crossover shartAll that to still sell 80 times worse than Mario kart again.
>>527057326>distinct from Sonic beyond a simple character archetype
Shan't engage with the avatarfagging pedo.
>>527057225>SilverfagsLiterally a lonely retard schizo is saying he's weak that's why he shouldn't be liked. are you mental?
Who’s your daddy spongebob?
>>527057497>only one bad game Forces was also ass. It's the 2nd 06 of the 2010s
>>527054271Yeah I guess Beta was the father flicky and Gamma was the mother
>>527057487Hai :D
>>527057364Silver is less powerful than Shadow
>>527057556Flickies are core to the plot of 3D Blast, which SA1 draws a lot from. Not everything has to be about Ian.
>>527057586I guess not.
>>527057556Why would you assume they're not Flickies?
>>527057429...and there goes down the drain ALL the chances for more Sonic characters in the DLCs!
>>527057592the fanbase sure, but the actual franchise? I don't think I agree with that
>>527057690Was he even utilized? he's a side character there
>>527057465Tailsbro, if you could design a female character who is a counter part to Tails, what would she be like?
>>527057798Sonic channel says Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are equals.
Statistically, Silver has a better win rate that Trunks. Narratively, people love Trunks because of his bonds with the other characters and what he was trying to do despite his jobbing. Yeah, he jobbed against the androids, but people will always love that he tried to destroy 16 before he was awakened, and rushed in to help Vegeta after his arm was snapped. Silver has nothing of that calibur.
Add onto that that he is lower on the totem pole of beloved characters, and what happens is anger at a character that to others should not be doing anything until everyone else is properly used
>>527054671SatAM and Archie aren't coming back. You mean to tell me you'll buy a soulless game just because it has the chipmunk/squirrel/fox/whatever she is named Sally in it?
>>527057592Vore is ultra disgusting. Don't bring that shit into /sthg/.
>>527057364We can, the Silverschizo is literally bringing that up as a gatcha moment to prove his retard point.
>>527057847The 24 characters in base CrossWorlds are legit who are going to survive the brand era. Everybody else is VAULTED
>>527056006>You reduce characters to nothing but dynamics.No, I describe the characters as what they are. In this series, the dynamic is often what the character is built from.
Look at Knuckles.
Sonic's Rival... The Anti-Sonic. Sonic's blue? Make him red. Sonic has Speed? This guy has POWER. Sonic is free as the wind? This guy is as immovable as a mountain. Sonic is aligned with the Chaos Emeralds, reflected in his own free-spirited lifestyle... So this guy is the GUARDIAN of the MASTER Emerald, and it's his birthright and sworn duty. If Sonic = Freedom... then this guy is "Responsibility".
The core concept of what Knuckles is, is directly built from "Anti-Sonic". Does pointing this out reduce Knuckles to less of an individual character in his own right? Of course not, that's silly.
>Cream is perfect as isI just think there's room for improvement. But really, I just use those thoughts for my own project and characters.
>>527057432That seems a bit OOC for everyone involved.
>>527057898We already have Cream and Marine and Wave
Why are Tails' counterparts almost always female. At least we have Eggman
>>527057465Tails and Cream are 100% literally the same exact character because they both follow the "kid sidekick" character archetype. There is absolutely nothing differentiating them beyond their gender. It doesn't matter that they have different interests, or different skills, or different knowledge, or different ambitions, or that their stories are different, or that they live in different environments, or that they have different relationships. It doesn't even matter that they are different ages, because if you arbitrarily put their ages in the same group then they are literally the same age. The only thing differentiating them is their gender. They are literally the same person otherwise
>>527057798Cream defeated Eggman
Eggman defeated Super Sonic
Cream is stronger then Super Sonic!
>>527057594...says the Mariobab in his headcanon while watching Sonic Racing Crossworlds win the racing GOTY award with Miku accepting the award and the Sonic franchise becoming canon to Spongebob while Nintendo buries all the unsold Switch 2's in the desert and Illumination cuts ties with such a poor company.
>>527058005Anon, I was talking about game characters. I don't care about the comics.
>>5270572132 more pages left, and then colors. Going smoothly.
>>527056373No, that's ridiculous.
To properly give Amy her own sidekick, like Sonic & Tails, is circling right back to Cream's own characteristics. Much like giving Knuckles his own rival that contrasts him heavily is circling back to Sonic's own traits.
>>527058262You said "every Sonic universe" so I got the impression.
>>527058243>...says the Mariobab in his headcanon while watching Sonic Racing Crossworlds win the racing GOTY award with Miku accepting the award and the Sonic franchise becoming canon to Spongebob while Nintendo buries all the unsold Switch 2's in the desert and Illumination cuts ties with such a poor company.Then the Sonicbab woke up to Mario making another billion again without even trying.
>>527058219shadally is good for the body and mind
>>527058005>You mean to tell me you'll buy a soulless game just because it has the chipmunk/squirrel/fox/whatever she is named Sally in it?Why not? You've been buying soulless games just because they have the hedgehog named Sonic in them for the last, what, two decades? If the franchise is just going to be a slopfest running off memberberries and autism, let it be the finest aged memberberries and autism SEGA sought to bury.
>>527055896>Why would they think Blaze is a sidekick?Cause she's a weak leech
>>527057841Not him. Technically the Adventure games never refer to the animals with the classic names, and the birds in Adventure have completely different designs compared to the classic animals (later also seen in more recent "modern" branch games like Lost World). I like the idea that they're the same animals as the classics, but that was never officially said to my knowledge
>>527058134That's a good point, let's give him some more male friends
>>527058101>But really, I just use those thoughts for my own project and characters.Yeah keep this stuff for yourself
>>527058151I kneel... Tails and Cream are identical... This is the TRVTH
>>527054262sonaze is garbage
>>527054262sonaze is gold
>>527058295Amy and Cream simply did not work.
If you have Sonic, people will ask where is Tails
If you have Shadow, people will ask where is Rouge.
If you have Silver, people will ask where is Blaze
Meanwhile if you have Amy, nobody asks about Cream. Their pairing was a failure.
Cream needs to be much more competent but still acts cute and probably use her innocence as a tricking weapon
>>527057907It doesn't matter how many fights a character wins unless you're a powerscaler. It matters how good the character is.
>>527058558>Yeah keep this stuff for yourselfIt's often directly based on all my Sonic-related thoughts and opinions and understandings and whatever else, so it's likely to be mentioned because it's all interconnected in my head.
More often than not, I can't talk about anything Sonic-related at all without in-some-way also thinking about some aspect of my project. And vise-versa, I can't work on my project without having all this Sonic stuff on my mind as my frame of reference for the vast majority of it.
>>527058078>Everybody else is VAULTEDHeroes was the last chance for many classic era characters to be brought into the modern era. Now CrossShits is doing the same with the remaining modern cast. This franchise keeps getting more and more lifeless and sterile over time... it's the curse that keeps on giving.
>>527058858Silverfags will never understand this
>>527058701If you like selfcest, rape, black people and removing the entire cast.
>>527057902That just says complete with
>>527058285Are you going to do more in the future?
>>527058763Funny how the Amycuck who did this (we know who) marked canon interactions as "obvious Sonougefag" because there wasn't any rebuttal.
>>527058704>If you have Sonic, people will ask where is Tails >If you have Shadow, people will ask where is Rouge. >If you have Silver, people will ask where is BlazeRouge and Blaze are not Tails. Rouge and Blaze are not 'Sidekicks'.
>>527057853There are multiple "run from the large animal trying to eat you" moments across the games, scenes in the comic with sonic getting eaten or almost eaten several times, and the 900th alt cover was totally fetish bait.
>>527058945Just you wait! Soon they are going to start replacing that 24 with more crossover characters until it's just Sonic and a whole bunch of characters from other IPs. Eventually they can replace Sonic himself and reduce him a cameo in the background!
>>527054262Sonic x Wind>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shitaze & Shitamy
>>527053658She has no value as a character outside her chest
>>527058967The schizo is the one that brought it up as an argument, everyone brings that Silver is weak as a slander method, are you dumb?
>>527058372...the Mariobab daydreams about while watching Nintendo bulldoze its headquarters because they couldn't just put Seth Macfarlane mouse or
>>527058401 in Mario Kart World.
>>527059198Sonic could rape andimpregnate Amy and Blaze both at the same time and it wouldn't matter because Sonic is the wind!
>>527058013It's sonic related.
>>527059050Rougefags and Blazefags will claim they're not sidekicks until they see the vault closing while Shadow and Silver are getting spotlight.
Rougefags were crying murder at Movie 3 for not having her.
>>527059242She's a treasure then.
>>527059110Cool image
I like the new stuff Aogirinaru has been drawing (even if they're technically just sketches)
>>527059004Yeah, they should be quicker too since they won't be as long. I have ideas for shorter ones already.
>>527058704>If you have Shadow, people will ask where is Rouge.>If you have Silver, people will ask where is BlazeNo? Shadow and Silver have tons of solo adventures and Silver is never with Blaze in the comics 90% of the time.
>>527059050Rouge is more of a work partner, Blaze is a leech trying to be relevant in possible way.
>>527058206>Those handsAwf...
Gee, Ian, I love it when you write a Sonic game you constantly think about Archie and want to reference it to "keep its legacy alive" instead of telling a good story and giving characters original dialog.
>>527058295Sticks and Tekno were nothing like Cream.
>>527059523You could've used a better example.
>>527056529PBR graphics pipelines were a mistake.
>>527059334Blazefags would rather have her be vaulted than reduced to an accessory.
Ngl, you're sometimes acting like Racist Mario
>>527059146>Eventually they can replace Sonic himself and reduce him a cameo in the background!That's what happened to Blinx in "his" second game. The titular character wasn't even playable and only made a few cameos and short appearances in cutscenes.
Oh, and also, what a coincidence that Blinx was designed by none other than Ohshima. This game even had a character creator years before Forces.
>>527059402Yay :D Been meaning to make more but keep having too many ideas and scrapping them.
>>527059627Can you stop making excuse for this man? It's getting tiring.
>>527059640They're literally throwing out her entire personality and lore to be someone elses accessory, no need to cry wolf
Amy is more likely to say "where's the fun in that?" herself, and Cream is the one who'd be telling her to be careful.
>>527059617>SticksThat wasn't even AMY in the first place.
>TechnoWas not designed with Amy in mind. Techno was originally paired with Shortfuse, as far as I'm aware.
>>527059146Sonic really is Hello Kitty for boys and going the way of Mega Man and Pac Man.
>>527059754The cutscenes in this feel a lot like the riders/heroes ones.
>>527059754>Sonic's destiny is to be replaced and finally vaulted06 was a glimpse into this future. One day, they're going to kill Sonic off for good and reduce him to cameos while another mascot replaces him.
>>527057410I love to see a full cast, did you want to talk through your design blocks for the Water member like with the Wood member?
>>527057535no worries, I look forward to when you can share more
>>527058285can't wait! I've always wanted to learn more about Blade
>>527059851we had hello kitty for boys it was called aggretsuko and I want to fuck the neet skunk
>>527059772Use the right examples to shit on Ian. I'm not defending him.
>>527058558I like Sparky's characters but at this rate his "project" is never getting done lol
I'll even say he has a good understanding of the characters, it's mainly the way he describes them that's really weird. Like Tails and Cream are obviously very different characters, he focuses too much on archetypes when describing them
>>527059110Cute!
>>527059754Wasn't 06 supposed to do this permanently to Sonic if it was good?
>>527059640The literally self-insert to raw her what???
>>527059324Yeah, vore is related to Sonic just as much as Minecraft and Spongebob.
>>527053957He already did
https://voca.ro/1jTh7tUc8qSe
>>527060096No. That's nonsense.
>>527060026>Use the right examples to shit on Ian.I did. One of his many reference dialog from his dead comic.
If you have better examples then show me.
>>52706009606 was a soft reboot, hence the name just being "Sonic the hedgehog".
>>527059640Blazefags want HER as their accessory, that's the problem, they feel very threatened if someone get's close to their waifu as if it was real life.
>>527060229I thought the idea was new generations of hedgehogs while Sonic and the original cast were completely phased out, or was that just speculation?
>>527059927Sonic will make company for Opa-Opa, Alex Kidd and Ristar in the undead mascot universe.
>>527060542Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
>>52706009606 was the warning signs to it. Look at how Sonic and the rest of the core 4 are treated, and say they wouldn't have gone farther in the next big team up game if they could get away with it
>>527059995From a marketing standpoint, Sega wants Sonic to be Hello Kitty for boys. Just a mascot franchise to sell merch with little media to actually engage in.
>>527060179Here we fucking go again.
>>527060542To both of them
How the hell does this General manage to keep going without saying single world? It’s like the same dozen fags repeating themselves.
>>527059823>Flynn's way to fix Amy is to give her Cream's personality >and then chuck Cream into the trash since she's just a little girl Lol
527060704
>shitaze reaction pic
Wow so cool and funny cuck
>>527057814Maybe not, and we've come to accept fanon can sway things (especially on the western front) but look. It helps to know these things. Things that seem like conventional wisdom now can be updated later (see: Fang's and Bean's species). So if there is an official pre-Encyclop-speed-ia source that calls them Flickies, I'd love to see it.
Yeah, they can say the Prime Flicky is "Birdie" all they want, it's the wrong birdie.
>>527058483That, and the classic Flickies appear and retain their design in Sonic X, which indicates to me that the SA1 trio was designed to be different species.
My cute dick shredder wife.
Does anyone still remember the review of '06 made by ClementJ64?
>>527060791Do you have anything interesting to say?
>>527060364Holy projection.
Blazefags want her to be Sonic's friendly rival and polar opposite from another dimension like she was designed for. Silvazefags want her to be Silver's blubbering simp of his mommygf.
>>527060649>Sonic gets worfed for the new Poochie >Amy babysits the new Poochie >Tails and Knux are just there to try and make Sonic look cool Man fuck 06.
>>527061057>Sonic's friendly rivalThat's Knuckles.
>polar opposite from another dimensionThat's Blaze.
>>527061115>that's KnucklesNah Knuckles is a standard rival. Sonic and Blaze have respect for each other and their lifestyles, like being around each other, and don't like saying goodbye.
>>527061057>want her to be Sonic's friendly rival and polar oppositeVery fucking boring and complete lies, best posts about Blaze are either shipping or porn related
> Silvazefags want heOut of fucking nowhere, no one cares about that either, heck this could another point that Blazefags are completely made up of shipfags since that's always brought up.
>>527059754I wonder if Blinx would look good as a sonic character
>>527061115>polar oppositeThat's Shadow
>another dimensionThat's scourge
>that is a princessThat's sally
>SHE'S GIRL SONIC!That's Amy
>confirmed by ST that eggman doing this to the planet caused 0 (zero) deaths
>>527061057Blazefags want her to be Sonic's cocksleeve because she couldn't carry a project without him
>>527060364Blaze should never have been in '06 in the first place. If she only had returned in Rush Adventure instead, garbage like Silvaze wouldn't even exist today.
>>527059927>>527060649>we still haven't escaped 06 and Sega is using the Crossworlds crossovers to abandon Sonic as a cameo character like they wished to>next year is 06's 20th anniversary, an infamous anniversary>the movies can't save him because most franchises rarely even get to 4 movies without taking a long hiatus>IDW's financial situation is getting worse every year and Ian really screwed up last year, meaning we could be losing some of the American workers that still push for Sonic>American autists are moving on to other things like TADCWe're in the endgame, Sonicfags.
>>527061834This is a franchise aimed at 8-12 year old children
>>527061543>boringThat's your opinion.
>complete liesPeople talk about the parallel dimension aspect of Blaze and her extended cast and lore all the time.
>out of nowhereWe're talking about Blaze being an accessory (to Silver) you fucking schizo.
>>527061057i do not see why she cannot be both.
>>527057841Why would you assume every enemy fish has to be a Chopper?
>>527060416Completely baseless speculation. If anything, there is evidence against it
One of the worst things about discussing Blaze or Silver here is the disingenuous anons that dilute it with empty vitriol aimed at both.
>>527061537"Friendly Rival" is how Knuckles is often officially described. Their Advance 3 team name is "Fighting Buddies" for a reason. I would not call Blaze a "Rival".
>Sonic and Blaze have respect for each other and their lifestyles, like being around each other, and don't like saying goodbye.Sonic & Blaze are "partners". Their polar opposite attribute is geared towards being two sides of a greater whole, ultimately working together. Knuckles' competition with Sonic, is not the relationship Blaze has with him.
>>527061718Shadow is not Sonic's polar opposite. No, "i'm the darker/evil you" is not being "polar opposite". Shadow is Dark Sonic, he shares many of Sonic's own traits so much that people outright project Sonic's whole personality onto Shadow and turn Sonic into a completely different person.
>SallySally and Blaze are both different examples of "Nega-Sonic".
Blaze is not "Girl Sonic". Girl Sonic (Amy) is Sonic's traits through a feminine lens. Blaze is quite simply "the polar opposite of Sonic", and being female is one subset of that greater concept.
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>>5270619748-12 year olds watch all sorts of media with death lol
>>527061957If we get another Sonic 06 in 2026, we have Movie 4 to bring the franchise back.
Sonic 4 (the game) also restored some goodwill towards Sonic prior to Sonic Colors back in the 2010s, it sold and reviewed well which led to Sonic Mania.
>>527062242Hottest Shadally you can muster
>>527061834I call that bullshit. Sega will next tell us that the Black Arms invasion in Shad'05 caused zero casualties, especially with the Black Comet releasing a toxic gas in the Earth atmosphere.
>>527062145IKR. I don't even hate the guy but everytime he's brought up the threads go to poopoo.
>>527060179Crossworlds is Tdosth 5. Scooby and Crash are coming.
>>527061976>People talk about the parallel dimension aspect of Blaze and her extended cast and lore all the time.>all the time.listen 2 to 3 people are not that important, let's be honest
>>527062242SpongeBoB and Steve giving a homeless bum Sonic some of their money.
Sonic trying to steal the wheels off of Mario's car
Sonic trying to pimp out Amy, Rouge, Blaze and Vanilla to Mario and Luigi.
>>527062242Cute Sonurge moment of absolute heartwarming
>>527062520I want these now too.
>>527062145I believe it goes with someone mentioning Silvaze (probably trolling as well) and Blazefags just shit on Silverfags and there it starts
>>527061956https://shmuplations.com/sonicrush/
>Nishiyama: Since the DS has two screens, initially we thought to have two protagonists, and the story would advance alongside each of them. Shadow the Hedgehog already exists as the "opposite Sonic", and for a new character I wanted someone from another world who would kind of shake up the status quo that exists amongst the Sonic characters, which I guess I would describe as "good-natured rivalry."https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Rush/Script_(Extra)
>Super Sonic: This is it...>Burning Blaze: ...Yes, it is.>Super Sonic: Everything will be back to normal.>Burning Blaze: I've got to return to my world, as well. The Chaos and Sol Emeralds cannot exist in the same world. It would cause another crisis.>Super Sonic: I guess it's time to say... good bye. Cream will really miss you.>Burning Blaze: ...I have no choice.Retard.
can you retards talk about the characters without it centering it around your shipfaggotry
>>527062242Are you the one who was genning green-eyed Sally the other day? How about something of Sally and Bunnie? Not shipping, just them hanging out.
>>527062242Fang and Trip sleeping together.
>>527062242This but with Amy instead of Tails and possible surprise buttsecks from Sonic.
Sonic 06 is either a really bad game that did really bad things to the older characters that should not have been written, or it was a step towards a terrible future where Sonic Team were more interested in shilling their own new OCs over Sonic
>>527062780>I wanted someone from another world who would kind of shake up the status quo that exists amongst the Sonic characters>I wanted a Poochie
>>527062862Yeh, that's me
>>527062384Tried a few but for some reason the ai doesn't wanna make it too spicy, granted an inexperienced shadow having a make out sesh with sally is kind of hot
>>527062780>good-natured rivalryKnuckles
>Super Sonic: I guess it's time to say... good bye. Cream will really miss you.>Burning Blaze: ...I have no choice.Same bullshit again and again, you can literally call Sonic and Tails romantic partners with this logic
>>527063009He just can't stop winning
>>527062469Krack livecam reaction when Crash is announced
>>527063142>Same bullshit again and again, you can literally call Sonic and Tails romantic partners with this logicNot too farfetched
>>527063150It's getting stale at this point
>>527059285>...the Mariobab daydreams about while watching Nintendo bulldoze its headquarters because they couldn't just put Seth Macfarlane mouse or >>527058401 in Mario Kart World.>More Sonicbab delusions over Nintendo's superiority above Sega.
Sonurge is so cute and it makes me so happy
>>527063475Surge is Sonic's endgame.
>>527062469>>527063369This general is not reading for the normies to the Crashdow pill. It will undo all the respect Shadow got from Year of Shadow.
Maybe sometimes if Kit asks nicely Tails can let him win
>>527062242amy in a white skin tight suit and fur collar trim with her ass towards the viewer
>>527063585All Crashdowfags are posers though. You don’t even know what happens in your little fics.
>>527060542duofag will never beat the "being mindbroken by amy" samefag schizo allegations
You already spammed that same human Tails image for several days. Or I should say avatarred as it.
What's the point of samefagging to talk to yourself in every thread.
>>527063585holy shit we get it, you're a newfag and learned about it
>>527063752Just split the prize
>>527063821A LOT of anal rape and appearances by Crossover characters. It's basically CrossWorlds but without the raping
>>527063369If that happens, anytime Krack is in the thread, we should post Crash and Crashdow shipping art.
>>527063556Surge is the only Sonic rival that truly hates Sonic.
Knuckles and Shadow find him annoying at most.
Jet and Metal Sonic just think they're superior.
Surge wants to ruin Sonic out of pure resentment and spite.
>>527063142>same bullshitBecause it's their entire dynamic you fucking retard. The emeralds are polar opposites that repel and attract and can't stay in the same world, and this describes Sonic and Blaze themselves. They're talking about themselves in that scene.
>>527062145They literally don't want to accept basic facts about her character and her relationships.
>>527063865Ok here's another one
>Or I should say avatarred as it.Meds
>>527063965*incorrect buzzer
>>527064029>art>
>>527063880Attention. Tailsfags lacked it from their parents which is why they have an /ss/ fetish too.
>>527064089Oh shut up. Metal Sonic clearly despises Sonic and wants to kill him so that he's the only Sonic left
Sonic games? bad
Sonic ships? good
>>527064086He sure is
>>527064197"/ss/" is stupid. It's just normal porn with a boy self insert
>>527064197>which is why they have an /ss/ fetish too.I love your projections
>>527064274>Metal Sonic clearly despises SonicWhy would Metal hate himself?
>>527063821Some highlights I remember from years ago:
>Shadow kills Donald Trump>Shadow falls in love with Lapis from SU who gets killed, but I forget by who>Team Dark does 9/11 while Chris Thorndyke freaks out about it>Shadow is jealous of Rouge and Crunch Bandicoot falling in love because he's in love with Crunch Bandicoot>Sonic is in prison for molesting Cream and gets raped by the Red M&M
>>527064579I'm pretty sure he doesn't like straight shota because it makes him feel insecure and humiliated to see a boy younger and prettier than him get girls. This is why he seethes at Tails all day every day. He's a pathetic failure and seeing how beautiful Tails is reminds him of that
>>527064743>and gets raped by the Red M&MThat didn’t happen, Sonic melted him and disfigured him.
>>527062008Because her relationship with Silver is exceptional by design, and any time Blaze is with Silver her characterization totally changes.
>>527064843maybe they just dont wanna see little boys get touched, idk you ever think of that?
>>527064843I don't like shota stuff either but that's funny to think about. Some folks here feel weirdly intimidated by Tails
>he still thinks Surge hates Sonic
>>527064926could you elaborate?
>>527064965That's just because he prefers AI generated loli porn where he self inserts as a """chad"""
Tails is male, so that makes him seethe
Faggot hours: 8am-2pm PST.
>Tailspedos only defense for being annoying faggots is to call others projectors
Why are they like this?
Kys avatarfagging retard.
>>527065268Pedophile cope.
Tailsfags will be the ones buying Crossworlds in mass because they admitted to being metafags and defending the meta era in previous threads btw.
>>527065428Tails is Sonic's simp.
as such. Tailsfags are Sonic simps
>>527065071I like cute shota art it's the ss fetish thing that I don't care about. Tails is the cutest kemoshota you'll ever see AND that's just one of the many amazing things about him
>>527065428I'm not planning on buying CrossWorlds at all and I've been complaining about the crossovers and lack of characters, and even the game existing at all
>>527062170>Friendly rival is how Knuckles is often officially describedI don't think I've ever seen this. Their Sonic Advance 3 sprite is definitely adverserial.
>two sides of a greater wholeYes, they're complimentary opposites that work together, but they still have their ideological differences like Sonic and Knuckles. Pic related is a perfect example.
>>527033141LOL
EVEN IF THAT IS 100% TRUE YOU ARE 100% NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT
AMATEUR DWEEB
>>527065679I don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard I try
>>527062242Gen Marine being left behind by Blaze as she drives off with Silver to CrossWorlds.
>>527065791Off-model fetish trash.
>blazefags insisting she's sonic's equal
>when she's a bigger leech than shadow
>>527065789She's so based
>>527065789Shadow & Cream as a duo is kino.
This franchise sucks. They still haven't taken care of the too many friends problem and they are trying to take themselves too seriously again. I just want goofy gotta go fast adventures with just Sonic, Tails, and maybe Knuckles fighting Dr. Robotnik. Tailsbro btw.
If you hate Silvaze you're gay
>IDW characters won’t have any interactions with the game cast
ARE THEY CANON OR NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT???????? I JUST WANT MY TANGLE TO INTERACT WITH THE CAST IN A GAME, IN MY HOUSE, ON THE COUCH. I WANT THE IDW CHARACTERS TO MATTER.
>>527033141>>527065686>nickelodeon pulled out
I love Sonic. I haven't had a bad time with this franchise in a decade. I liked Colors. I liked Forces. I LOVED Frontiers. I never hated the "meta" era but the return to edgy 2000s vibes was perfect.
>>527065638>I don't think I've ever seen this.Knuckles' character descriptions always mention some variation of him being Sonic's friendly rival. That is what "Fighting Buddy" means, and it is not Sonic & Blaze's dynamic. Blaze is not Sonic's "Rival". Sonic & Blaze don't compete or fight like Sonic & Knuckles do.
Knuckles is a friendly rival. Blaze is an ally/partner.
This guy is your opposite, actively competing with you.
This girl is your opposite, working in-balance with you.
Two very different dynamics.
>>527066274Hahahahahahahaha.
>>527066282Based, fans are cleaning the franchise from the cancer that SoJ is.
This guy is still crying because I said I liked Colors huh. Can't handle different opinions I see
>>527062862Closest i could get, kinda mad because i really wanna do stuff with bunnie and antoine but there isn't enough stuff to pull from. although im kinda glad because we wont get more ai slop and abominations. ah well, if you guys could offer tips lemme know.
Remember when Sonic’s rival was a plumber?
>>527066808How is this walking style called?
Tailsbro are you still here
>>527066284Has anything came close to TGT kino from sthg? Everything seems so insular and never branched out from here.
>>527055795Why are Sonic fans so damn insecure?
>>527066615Did Rouge do some pressure point shit to knock her out if did Amy just pass out on her own? Haven't played Battle in a while.
>>527066378They both have opposite lifestyles and views which makes them "rivals". Knuckles is antagonist but Blaze is synergistic. I think we're just disagreeing in semantics on what "rival" means.
>>527066871Happy cuck walking
>>527066808>"Speed" runner>has to have that meek Japanese-media kawaii style of walking that no girl alive would be caught doing
>>527066202I would never lie about my love of Tails and the Meta Era.
>>527067292Don't you like the Brand Era?
>>527065143i think both are pretty ass and gross
Don't you ever get tired of this bait?
>>527067142The way I think of Blaze is Tails + Amy + Knuckles.
She's not a rival, just as she's not a love interest or a sidekick. She's simply an equal-opposite analogue to Sonic that exists in-balance with him as a partner.
>>527066282Yes, to hell with all that goyslop filth. More leaks? Yes, sir!!
>>527067387This isn't about you
>>527066678It's a pretty cool redesign of Bunnie. Thank you for trying.
>>527067126I think Amy just exhausted herself.
Blaze? Isn't she Silver's sidekick?
only you can defeat evil, immortal boy. no more grudges.
Blaze? Isn't she Fang's side piece?
>>527067565Blaze is Silver's cocksleeve
>>527067123World is legit ugly.
>treasure hunter knuckles still wears boxing gloves instead of regular gloves
that doesn't seem very effective for treasure hunting
Guess my bro left \:
Oh well I need to leave too now
>>527067773Good, never return pedophile.
>>527067123Years of being bullied
>>527067773We don't care, avatarfagging pedo, go talk on Discord.
>>527067810>>527067846Buy a rope, and hang yourself off a bridge.
>>527067814Sonic threw the first punch.
>>527067810I'll be sharing more cute pics later so look forward to that
>>527067846I've never avatarfagged and this is and /fast/ are the only places where I talk about Sonic
>>527067647THAT’S what World looks like?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>527068027>I've never avatarfaggedTop 10 sthg lies.
>>527068027Okay, avatarfaggot.
>>527062964last one for now, i gotta practice
>>527067773Go to Xitter and stay there. They would welcome an attention whore like you and you could just make Tails your pfp so you won't need to spam to avatarfag.
>>527068209Self insert shit slop coded
>>527066937There was a VR sonic fangame that is from a Dev that used to come here. It being "from" sthg is a bit of a stretch, since it was mostly one guy working on it, but he did post updates on here.
>>527068276Trannoid phrase.
>>527068209isn't she canonically fucking the platypus now and tails moved on from her?
>>527068289Larry looking ass mfer
>>527068546No, Ian is WRONG.
>>527068461>>527068482tailsfags get mogged by trans people, now i know!
>>527068461>>527068482Stay mad, pedophile faggots, you're equally as cancerous as the trannies you hate.
>>527068289oh wow, I didn't expect anyone to draw this. You did great anon! Blinx actually looks really cute in the sonic style.
>>527068704Wow anon.... So brave of you to come out to us.....
>>527068564is it the cat mouth?
>>527068851thanks, I love Blinx and it's nice to see him brought up every so often
>>527068564this dude literally looks like Bubsy
none of you understand sonic
>>527068670barby grew out of that weird phase of hers and tails has moved on, you get NOOOO bitches to self insert yourself as and/or to fuck
>>527069191>is it the cat mouth?Yeah that must be it
>>527069518I was just thinking of shadaze this very moment
in Archie, Shadow interacted with Blaze but hardly with Sally. yet there is more shadally out there than shadaze. what's up?
>>527069518If Rougette is a worm, what should their kid be?
>>527069231Canon ship in SXSG
>>527060170nta but we've nonstandard gameovers in both Forces AND Frontiers of Sonic getting unceremoniously eaten to death like a dorito chip.
I think it started, though I could've the killer whale did too but it's just an asshole
>>527069707mind broken marriage cuck fettish
>>527069943would suck the thing on the right
>>527069778If her whole gimmick was that Sally couldn't handle Shadow's DNA, Blaze's kid should be something more complete.
>>527070074this isn't as funny as
>>527066937Arguably tdosth but arguably is doing the heavy lifting here.
My game is coming out for the SEGA Saturn soon.
>It's gonna be big budget
>it's a Sonic 3K sequel
>it will have a long campaign
And I, Espio the Chameleon, will be the star! I'm the only character created for the game since everyone came from a pre-existing game or manga. They made me specifically to be the star! My future is looking bright! We'll get spin-offs, star status almost on par with Sonic, and maybe even a TV show!
>>527070074Why do you hate Blaze so much
>>527069707Some Archiefag can tell you the story but they did some "X years later" stories where they timeskip to a possible future and show you who married who and how babies or whatever.
In the sequel story for some reason Shadow ended up with Sally but not really, they had a fallout and had a fucking civil war over it for no fucking reason
>>527070074LOL, already have an idea.
Sonic will meet Bob the Sponge
>>527070495I know all that. but they barely did anything. he didn't care and she didn't like him. even noped out the moment Sonic returned.... I guess it's just self insert slop
Sonic characters with this feel?
https://youtu.be/LQTitcJSjkw
>>527069707>>527069839>yet there is more shadally out there than shadaze. what's up?I don't think it has anything to do with cucking since most modern shadally fanfics don't even entertain the idea that Sonic ever liked her. More often than not it's a method of keeping her away from Sonic because wind. People don't feel that way for Blaze because there is already an obstacle.
>>527066808i hate this fucking retard.
>>527070454Um, Mr. Espio? I regret to inform you of this, but uh...the Super 32X is...low on games, so...
We--uhhh, we had to pull your game's budget and ordered SoJ to move it to the 32X so it could have a larger library. Also, SoJ has to cut the game up into bits to get it to fit onto a cartridge.
And Knuckles is the star now. Sorry about that!
>>527066271now edit it to just be naked blaze by herself in a box
>>527070074Oh cool! let me hold them...
Wait, I've never seen that kind of leech before
https://files.catbox.moe/3ly3ie.png
Why does ian want to fuck sally so bad
>>527070454It's not confirmed, but it's theorized that a chameleon was one of Knuckles' proposed designs like how an armadillo was Sonic's. At least, Espio's moveset in Chaotix (whirl-jump, wall-running) sounds similar to what was original planned for Knuckles...
Not even Shadow Gens was getting previews this overwhelming positive
https://x.com/AllCristina2/status/1932838126763790518?t=UXmh-j3L8dFPKPmYpWltjQ&s=19
Sonic Heroes was a humiliation ritual for Sega supposedly because of Sony demanding they make a version of the game for PS2 or lose publishing access to the platform.
The game was originally built on a custom engine designed for GC and Xbox.
Say something nice about Sonic Heroes.
>>527071756Cerified UOOOH moment.
>>527071884>it's theorized that a chameleon was one of Knuckles' proposed designsNo. One of the animal ideas they had for Knuckles was a dinosaur, and that led autists to playing a game of retard telephone, so now some people think that Espio is proto Knuckles.
Is it the hojo clan symbol or is it the triforce?
Okay already have a few ideas down:
>Leech+Cat hybrid.
>Leeches are associated with healing,
>Shadow was meant to cure Maria.
>Maybe do something with this?
>Should be EDGY.
Any other ideas? Already decided to name them Hiru after the technical name for her species of leech (Hirudo)
Tails versus Knuckles
Tails has spent an hour thinking at light speed, crafting the perfect plan to take down Knuckles. He rushes in immediately, ready to attack with everything he's---
...Tails phases through Knuckles body. He looks down, and realizes that he's a ghost. But where's his... Tails looks back to see that, quite a long distance away.... his corpse is smashed into a crater in a wall on the side of a mountain. Knuckles' extended fist is still smoking from the impact, as he hit Tails before the fox could even process what happened.
>>527072243Yeah, but Knuckles was also purple at some point.
>>527071756S-source?
More improtantly, is it /sthg/ made?
>>527072367Sonic was also brown at one point. Does that make Sally a proto Sonic?
What if Sonic was purple instead of blue?
>>527071884Translation
>"3 is the newest work, so of course new characters, hence the newly-designed Knuckles. At the time, there was a boom in the popularity of Dinosaurs in the aftermath of Jurassic Park, so the design started out as Dinosaur-like. But this was later refined by Mr Yuda, the lead designer and it became dreadlocks that Americans liked"Not sure about the chameleon thing, but it's at least known that Knuckles was initially a dinosaur/reptile guy, so it's plausible that Espio is based off an unused knuckles design. It is interesting to note though that internally Knuckles was a "dinosaur-like echidna"
Reminder that Ian Flynn hates Shadow
>Considers Sonic and Knuckles to be the true rivals, strength vs speed
>Considers SA2 a mistake and a bad follow up to SA1
>Shadow's gameplay is a lazy clone of Sonic's gameplay, but worse (no bounce bracelet)
>Considers Shadow to be too tragic, edgy and cynical for this franchise
>Shadow? Maria? This isn't Sonic. This is bad anime writing
>Strongly agrees that Shadow should have been a one-off character like Gamma
>Humiliates Shadow in the IDW comics whenever he can lol
>>527071935Looking forward to it
>>527072330I get that the fog missing in the GCN and Steam releases is a technical issue but doesn't it make more sense for it to not be there? Why is there so much fog in a building, which blatantly has air conditioning and is still in use, it makes no sense.
>>527072452/v/'s drawfag thread
>>527072683>>527072598>>527071884Post kino behind the scenes and Sonic dev history
>>527072738Yet he references SA2 all the time
>>527072738>knucklesfag hates shadowNo surprise. Shadow is only forced to job because otherwise red sonic would become irrelevant.
>>527072325>now Knuckles and Vector both hate him
Something I started working on before the official timeline came out just for fun, and then when the official one came out I tweaked it to match up. (Greyed out entries are just soft-canon for fan/discounted stuff that CAN fit if you WANT but isn't necessarily canon)
Two of the metrics I stuck with here was the idea that modern sonic is an aged up classic sonic, and that time actually passes. I considered ages of "main debut games" to be canon, but then characters age beyond those. (Infinite's claim that sonic has been fighting eggman for DECADES, the multiple birthdays that have actually occured, characters changing over time and seemingly aging up...)
Ex: Year 1 is debut age for Sonic and Amy, Year 2 for Knuckles, year 5 for Adventure Amy (she's 8 in CD and 12 in SA1, so this allows that to make sense), Year 6 for Cream and Team Chaotix (Since those ages are for their modern debut, just count backwords for the formerly unlisted classic, for example)
I find this makes for a more coherent world and cast, and allows for characters to gradually change over time without feeling like they're being retconned. Example: The Master emerald is destroyed in Sonic Battle and Knuckles doesn't reassemble it for several years, giving context to why he would be traveling the world with sonic and tails so often during this "Is he the guardian of the master emerald or not?" period of games. (Also, it allows for Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog to be an "Adult" party that tails BARELY qualifies for as a late teenager, but that Cream and Charmy would sit out due to still being kids, which lines up with what staff have commented about it) Other stuff...Eggman's amusement park actually possibly tricking tails into thinking he's somewhat reformed during years 6 through 8. (Metal Sonic Eggman in Advance 1&2)
basically, I wanted to create a coherent and logical timeline where everything actually logically fits together, even to the point of some games seemingly leading to other games.
>>527069707Autism incoming: I have followed every Shadally fanfic I could find and kept track of how they handle Sonic.
I've kept track of every Shadally variant so far:
>Chauvelz, HyoumaruSally is attracted to Shadow because he is serious and ends up with him after moving on from Sonic.
Preboot Sally. Archie Shadow.
Because it is preboot Sonic, Hyoumaru had him move onto Amy. Chauvelz left him unaccounted for. Chauvelz makes whole comics while Hyoumaru does collages from time to time.
Most fics that pair a Sonic love interest with Shadow will have Sonic be completely unbothered or uninterested.
>SonicGuruThis is a Dragonball parody where Shadow is Vegeta and Sally is Bulma. More of a parody combination than an actual romance fic.
Reboot Sally, IDW Shadow
Sonic has a harem which includes Lanolin
>ButterrrmothThis is a Sally that has moved on from Sonic, who is now dating Surge. Shadow was her GUN assigned bodyguard who she hated at first but they eventually bonded and had kids. This is the most romantic version so far. Unlike the others, this one is focused mainly on being warm and cute.
Reboot Sally and Shadow
On the day Sally met Shadow, Sonic had begun dating Amy. For unknown reasons, he has since moved onto Surge.
>Scribbles This was a shitpost storyline from sthg. Sally found Shadow attractive and begun to pursue him. She got more aggressive when he did not reciprocate. Sally ends up mindscrewing herself into fighting for Maria's wish over time. Unlike the others, this one strictly portrays them as incompatible. Sally and Shadow are stand-ins for Sega of America and Sega of Japan.
Reboot Sally. Game Shadow.
Sonic doesn't seem to care about romance, but there is an epilogue where his granddaughter with Amy spars with Sally's.
Duofag
Inspired by both Hyoumaru and Scribbles, this is a Shadow who at one point sexed Sally. His alien DNA caused her to grow large and corrupt. She sexually abuses Shadow frequently, but deep down she loves him.
Every character is a leech except Sonic and Eggman.
>>527072986*Year 2 for Knuckles and Tails, since tails adventure and sky patrol would be "before" his true debut
>>527071978I like the team setup and gameplay
I like the introduction of Omega and the reintroduction of the Chaotix
I like the stage locales
>>527072683Knuckles being some kind of dinosaur would make more sense for the "last of his kind" thing than just an echidna since dinosaurs are extinct.
>>527072958At some point Knuckles was a mole that would attack with his shovel.
>>527072986other little things i accounted for: Prime's ending leading directly into lost world. Prime is full of "hex" imagery, and the big shadow that appears at the end COULD be retconned as being the lost hex appearing in green hill. (Which would also give some context as to why at least amy and knuckles were already there. Big could wander off, rouge could leave to report to gun/check on shadow, ect)
>>527073123Great summary, and thanks for getting my Shadally without overanalyzing it.
>>527073483I would have given a longer description, but the text limit got me.
>>527072683Pic is describing abilities similar to Espio...
>>527072958Reposting
>>526949825>Knuckles' Chaotix pre-release screenshot shows that Mighty the Armadillo was known as "Nat the Armadillo" early in development>1207 proto has a remnant of the name as "Nuts" which appears to be Engrish>What happened here? I have two theories, and I want you to tell me which one you think is likelier or if you see another possible explanation.>1: Mighty was going to be renamed for a Western audience (32X was pushed by SoA) since SegaSonic didn't have a localized release, but they didn't want to confuse him with "Nack" so they renegged.>2: This actually wasn't going to be THE Mighty from SegaSonic. The developers reused the canceled armadillo concept for Sonic without realizing that it was already used in another game. Once the devs were informed that the character already appeared and was named in another game, they switched to the other name. This also means they didn't have time incorporate anything "mighty" in the moveset.>The Nuts Engrish makes me believe Scenario 2 might've been what happened, plus the Nat screenshot has the name "Bomb the Eggman's Mechanic" in it, indicating that the Nat/Nuts name was intended for the Japanese audience too.
>>527072836>I get that the fog missing in the GCN and Steam releases is a technical issue but doesn't it make more sense for it to not be there? Why is there so much fog in a building, which blatantly has air conditioning and is still in use, it makes no sense. True but most Dreamcast games had a lot of fog like Code Veronica
SA2 and Code Veronica also shared sound effects.
>>527073395And here's "Stealth" the ProtoEchidna, who can glide with his dreads.
>>527073597Damn, well then I’d just add that Shadow became smaller and retarded because she had sucked all his chaos energy.
>>527073883A decent horror idea
>>527072836>>527073849SEGA were flexing hard with Sonic Adventure 2's lighting, shading an specular lighting, per-pixel fog, SA1-2 used diffuse+specular lightning based on palette indices like some Saturn game (which makes sense since they previously put a shitload of work into getting palette based colored lightning working on their Saturn games, and the SA games are based on the Nights / Sonic World / Burning Rangers engine). The ports lost that in favor of traditional shading
Shaddatic is working on restoring the Dreamcast features to the SA2B PC port
https://github.com/shaddatic/sa2b-render-fix
What are some unexplored dynamics in Sonic?
>>527073812The beta knuckles internal document you posted is well-known, and all it does it describe the Knuckles we saw in 3&K, when Knuckles was conceptualized as more "athletic" and cunning rather than just a bruiser, which is what he became overtime. He's shown setting traps, ambushes and taking shortcuts around the island in 3&K.
Ohhh don't be like that Nine! We can all be friends :D
>>527073123I'm going to need Slashy to verify these
>>527074118Just fuck my shit up
>>527074262Amy and human men.
Please just port Knuckles' Chaotix already. Please.
>>527073882>glide with his dreadsAha! Ah...
What..what else was he supposed to be gliding with...?
>>527053995Wait, I thought crossover characters were a bad thing and made the game slop?
>>527073812The "Nat" image in question.
>>527072958>>527073395Sonic Adventure 2 lore
>Only Sonic, Knuckles and Eggman were intended to be playable >Shadow was originally called "Terios" >Shadow's red stripes were inspired by Kabuki sujikuma makeup>Rouge design was inspired by famous Latin-American women such as Jennifer Lopez>The first scene planned for SA2 was the "Faker" scene in Green Forest>Iron Gate, Green Forest and Pumpkin Hill were the first stages created for SA2>Sky Rail was always planned to be a Sonic level>Most SA2 Dark Story cutscenes are just shorter version of the Hero Story cutscenes>Tails was never supposed to be playable and you have Prison Lane, where he breaks in to locate Sonic... only for Amy to locate and free Sonic instead>Then Route 101, where Tails locates the President... and Sonic is the one seen running alongside the limo.>Then Eternal Engine, where Tails locates and destroys the ARK's power generator... despite the ARK remaining fully operational the entirety after.>Amy was intended to be playable in story mode, but Iizuka couldn't find a place for her, so he put her in 2P mode with Metal Sonic >SA2 was made by a dev team of 11 people>Sonic Adventure 2 was intended to be Sonic's swan song before Sega quit the console business
I know people will just say I should expect disappointment from Sonic at this point, but it still bums me out.
>looked forward to the Chaotix 30th anniversary and Sonic Team still does only the bare minimum acknowledgement of the game without actually giving the game real love
>crossworlds has just a generic sonic roster tsr should have had at the least and a bunch of crossovers that won't even interact with the sonic characters
Why do I give this series more chances? I feel like an abused housewife.
You will never fuck Shadow!
>>527076026I don’t want to.
>>527075864Rouge was also, conceptually, a combination of "Spider Girl" and "Fly the Bat", two characters that got cut from the SA1 roster.
>>527074826Other games with similar problems
>Dark Souls Remastered >Halo 1 and 2 Xbox -> PC port>Resident Evil REmake GC -> PC port>Resident Evil 4 GC -> PC port>Silent Hill 2 PS2 -> PC port>Silent Hill 3 PS2 -> PC port
>>527076498this is not true
>>527072738He also hates 06. Scoffed at the idea of a remake.
>>527072738>>Shadow's gameplay is a lazy clone of Sonic's gameplay, but worse (no bounce bracelet)Okay this one is true though. Shadow's stages are also way less fun than Sonic's (aside from Sky Rail)
when they made SA2B they updated all the character gameplay models, but they only use those updated models like twice in cutscenes (the cutscene of sonic jumping out of the helicopter and the one where he meets shadow) so the cutscenes are largely them using the dreamcast models which now look inconsistent with the gameplay, but also with worse lighting than on dreamcast (or no lighting at all, some characters are either noticeably darker or fullbright for some reason) and broken effects
https://e621.net/users/503011
>RealCuck is a faggot
>Whisper and Tangle won’t be acknowledged in Crossworlds
It’s over…
>>527075864>Only Sonic, Knuckles and Eggman were intended to be playableThis has unfortunately pretty much been debunked. While it is true that the trailer shown in The Trial didn't show the others characters playable, their life icons were found in the game data. HOWEVER, it is odd that the gameplay style is labeled as EGGMAN internally, almost as if Tails was the last P1 character added to give Eggman a rival. Amy must've been shuffled to P2 pretty late since she has P1-esque assets.
>Sonic Adventure 2 was intended to be Sonic's swan song before Sega quit the console businessThis must've been very early on since Sonic Advance was already in development.
>>527077319Sonic vs Shadow has a green tint
>>527076498Rouge was "conceptually" based on Latin American women.
>Sthg sees things that seem correlated but have no official, verifiable connection
>starts claiming X is based on Y
>become retardedly adamant about it
>>527077826If I keep forcing it it'll become true!!!!
>>527076735What the actual fuck.
https://www.sonicstadium.org/news/games/mysterious-sonic-adventure-billboard-character-finally-fully-revealed-r1742/
Why would you post half-truth.
why was he jerking off to realdash's stuff?
I like tuxedo cats because they remind me of Big.
SA1 and SA2 had extremely high res textures for a console
>Sonic Adventure texture match.Rusty pulley located in Mystic Ruins.Source: Bakku no Oni - Sabi 4 (バックの鬼 寂4).
>https://xcancel.com/Render96VGTP/status/1842693901674541322#m
>>527078346Big is a Pallas cat
Dreamcast scene is still going strong
>>527078603But he's dark with a white belly!
>>527077479There is nothing unfortunate about that, it was always just speculation based off a trailer and some game design choices. I was also suspicious of that other rumor about it being "the last game" too
>labeled as EGGMAN internallyI don't find it odd, it's based off of Gamma's gameplay, which has everything to do with Eggman and nothing to do with Tails. Tails in a mech was not a thing before this game, his gameplay was based off of Eggman's
I think Shadow's stages (excluding Sky Rail) were designed last. He only has a few stages, had to take one of Sonic's, and otherwise his stages are mostly lazy asset reuse
>>527077826This. It's so fucking annoying.
>>527078603delightfully round creatures
Alright got the basics down, now to finalize.
>>527078752>and otherwise his stages are mostly lazy asset reuseBiggest examples of this in SA2?
>>527077826>>527077896I had a conversation with some other guys on the fourms regarding. Fly and Spider Girl. It was hypothesized that these characters, drawn by Okano, are likely to have gotten recycled. It's possible Fly lent more inspiration to Shadow, but no one has asked him about it. I didn't mean to upset anyone. You're right, there's no direct statements solidifying that these two characters were the genesis for Rouge.
>>527078853Is this even a Sonic character?
>>527077479>>527078752How likely would an SA2 remake be? Shadow Generations already proved it can be done
>>527076735>>527078059I always thought that thing was a proto-redesign for Amy, considering she seems to be popular in Station Square. I don't really see a spider, but that probably explains why the eyes are so weird. I wonder what her role was. (Also I still see boobies, not a web-dress.)
I'm surprised we've never gotten a spider character again outside of robots.
>>527078752Sky Rail is a Sonic stage, no? That's why its accompanying track is rock (Sonic's genre), right?
>>527077479>HOWEVER, it is odd that the gameplay style is labeled as EGGMAN internally, almost as if Tails was the last P1 character added to give Eggman a rivalSA1 Sonic became Shadow, Amy and Metal Sonic
SA1 Gamma became Eggman became Tails and the Chao Walkers
SA1 Knuckles became Rouge, Tikal and Chaos Zero
>>527077449Clean Sweepstakes was acknowledged though. It's more like Whisper and Tangle are canon but the rest of the cast are shunning them for some unspeakable thing they must've done offscreen or in the future.
>>527078859Radical Highway is recycling assets from Mission Street and it even recycles its own level design. White Jungle and Final Chase are obviously Green Forest and Final Rush but worse
>>527079239Yes, and it's also internally labeled as a Sonic stage, and Sonic was shown to be playable in it in the first trailer. They gave up on reusing assets to make more Shadow stages and just gave him one of Sonic's
>>527079513But they're easy money.
>>527078853hmm, I can’t place the species yet, is this the Water element member?
I like the narrower eyes
>>527079446>unspeakable thing they must've done offscreen or in the futureThey came out as gay.
>>527079594im not the one making that money though so why would that concern me or you
the remake will be inferior, have inferior writing, play inferiorly, and release at a time when the things that made the original good are now inferior
>>527079673No, ST just refuses to greenlight plans for them. If they even have a desire to use those characters at all.
>>527079754His year is over bozo, all you can do is milk maria again!
>>527079673Honey captured them all and made them into fashion slaves
>>527079447>>527079239>Sky Rail is a Sonic stage, no? That's why its accompanying track is rock (Sonic's genre), right?Sky Rail was used as a test for Rail Canyon and Bullet Station btw
>>527072986>American boxarts
>>527076131>Buying a dress for her friend to fuck her love interestWhy Blazefags like cucking?
>>527080060In what sense? Also, proof?
>>527079318>the rumor is that only Sonic, Eggman and Knuckles were playable >it may very well be true since all the other characters are reskins of Sonic, Eggman and Knuckles It's also hilarious that the entire cast of SA2 is in the movies except for the Knuckles reskin characters.
>>527079673In the classic dimension
>>527079682Actually yeah that could work lol, I might just end up using her for my fanworks. Also she’s a leenx (leech+sphynx).
>>527079085I don't know if we'll get a REMAKE-remake, but I can see a big remaster compilation happening, like Sonic Origins but for the Dreamcast games (including Shuffle because it's fresh in pur minds as being one of the weirder additions to the official timeline).
>>527076029Imagine a world where Minecraft never got an alpha release and Steve came out looking like this.
>>527079790>im not the one making that money thoughlmao
sucks to be you
>>527080550GOD NO delete this beast boy shit
>>527080376There is no classic dimension.
>>527079673Their raw aura scares Sonic Team. They know their favorite dev pets can't compete with these chads on screen.
>>527080550If it never left the alpha we would still have the frog woman
>>527080576Examples of superior Dreamcast Lighting.
>>527080067based american boxarts
>>527080193Technically not cucking since they're not a couple.
>>527080767Kinda is, not making the rules here, what do you get from a continuing story that has nothing to do with the main timeline?
>>527079173She honestly looks like a Saturn-era model. The original plan was probably squashed when development moved to Dreamcast.
>>527080898What the female version of cockblocking?
>>527080986There is no classic dimension, retard.
>>527081158cockblocking.
>but lesbians-cockblocking.
>>527081101The queen, and Knuckles rival... i miss her
>>527081158Still cockblocking
>>527080829I think Rana was supposed to be an NPC, but she could have been like Alex.
>>527081158Still cockblocking.
>>527081083Why the fuck is it so off-model?
>>527080407cool, another hybrid OC. Interesting mix too
Why did Shadow and Eggman never question how Rouge made it to The Ark's control center
>>527081290...guess classic is dead then.
tho i want trip and Honey in modern
>>527079173My web dream would be to have Pocket Adventure in there.
>licensing issuesYeah, CD and 3K had them, too. We can overcome this.
>>527081548real reason: plot
in universe reason: Eggman could use an extra hand, but he will be prepared for treachery. and Shadow does not care
>>527080904I love that style.
>>527081323Shadow's latina queen...
>>527081438Americans don't know how to draw Vector.
>>527081889Cute and canon
Shadow and Rouge aren't friends and the latina meme is retarded
>>527081829Sonaze is shit
Emerald Coast source textures
>Emerald Coast - Sozaijiten Vol.1 - SA176
Fang is the one running Sonic Team. It explains why their games are so cheaply produced.
>>527082094You Blazefags are so ridiculous kek
>>527081994> Same texture library as Mario 64Heh.
Also apparently since it has audio resorces too it can be sold as a Rock Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNXJtUWrKc
>>527081290I can understand no Modern characters in Classic, but retconning dimensions back into chronology means there's no excuse why Classic characters can't be in Modern.
>>527081987All I said is I love that style.
>>527081964She's canonically latina though
Why was Shadow smiling here
>>527082593He likes his back hugs. simple as
>>527082405exactly, that's why so many fans are upset at the lack of Mighty, Ray, Fang, Bean, Bark, etc in modern titles. Sega is just being stingy about their use for no real reason.
can any silvaze haters elaborate on how blaze becomes a worse character when she's with him, im writing fanfic and i wanna avoid said issues.
>>527082230I don't mind being ridiculous
>>527082405Yeah, I think even TailsTube lampshaded that. They're probably dead in a ditch somewhere...
>>527082094You sure?
Green Forest..
Prison Island...
Soul
>>527082593>Headcanon: he enjoyed the hug from Amy as it reminded him of Maria>Reality: Sonic Team forgot to change his expression to something else for the scene
>>527082714They'll just tell you to not use her alongside Silver, or even use Silver at all
>>527082746Not enough porn of her, add more
>>527082454>Shadow fucking Knuckles distant aunt
>>527082746Silver used his mind control powers on her to force her into being his friend. He's just naive, he doesn't know it's wrong.
>>527082872I second this, send us the fanfic when you're done
Sonic Adventure texture match.The windows for one of the Station Square buildings.Source: Image Land - Window of Europe Vol.2/ 創造素材 ヨーロッパの窓Vol.2 released in 1997.
>>527079446>Clean Sweepstakes was acknowledgedI heard that was fake.
>>527082593>>527082837>Sonic Team forgot to change his expression to something else for the sceneClose. What happened is that SonicAdventure 2 Battle, and all the ports based on it, botched the scene. In the Dreamcast version, and Sonic X, this does not happen.
>>527082973But he barely wants her around
Shadow, don't make me upset
I don't wanna hear you
Shadow, don't make me upset
You are frightened of something
Oh yeah, hurry to the unexplored land
I don't mind any walls or any obstacles
Oh yeah, hurry to the unexplored land
I'm not scared at all
I don't wanna hear you
>>527081964>t. jealous fangirl
>>527083061>In the Dreamcast versionhmmmmm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInty-pO1qc
> and Sonic X,Shadow thinks Amy is cute. doesn't think the same of chris
>>527083061>Close. What happened is that SonicAdventure 2 Battle, and all the ports based on it, botched the scene. In the Dreamcast version, and Sonic X, this does not happen.This is the Dreamcast version bro
>>527083041I thought it was too but then there were multiple other shots of it where the font looked more in line with the rest of the game, so I assume it's real? Still want it with audio, can't trust shit.
Sonic Chronicles(?) fangame anon, are you here? Can you post some of the Shadria in your project? I know it's you...
>>527082973>Silver uses his mind powers on blaze>It turns him into a twink insteadHe should focus more on being physical man
>>527082746Literally their entire dynamic is out of character for her. Blaze is a tsundere type: aloof, standoffish, emotionally reticient, fiesty, insecure, etc. Her relationship with Silver is "they're in sync because the same" and all of this goes away and she only becomes demure and stoic.
>>527083758Why is Amy getting wet
>>527083653This is OOC
Rouge tells Shadow that he might not even be the real Shadow, and Shadow has an existential crisis, and is in doubt if his memories of Maria are real
Shadow is not Rouge's friend I am Rouge's friend
>>527083441Well damn, I guess it's more obvious in Battle. Notice that camera cuts away sooner on Dreamcast, so you don't actually get a good view of his expression while Amy's hugging him.
Wasn't it still Amy there in Sonic X? You might be thinking of the "chance to be happy" scene?
>>527083653This is IC
Rouge basically tells shadow she loves him in shadgens and 06, and internal documents show she has a crush on him.
>>527084053>internal documents show she has a crush on him.My immediate instinct is to call you a fucking liar but I've been proven wrong about this kind of shit before like with Blaze's crush on Sonic, so I'll just ask for source.
Shadow idle lines
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- “So who’s next?”
- “I feel danger all around me.”
Radical Highway
- “Let’s ditch these guys and blow this city.”
- “Foolish humans.”
White Jungle
- “There’s no time to waste. It’s about to explode.”
- “Fog… It doesn’t bother me.”
Sky Rail
- “The last Chaos Emerald will be within my reach soon.”
- “That rail sure came in handy.”
Final Chase
- “I don’t know who you are, but I will destroy you.”
- “This place hasn’t changed a bit.”
>>527083887Amy is sonicsexual and Blaze is nega-sonic
>>527083236The difference in Hammerstrom Silver and how Silver was previously makes it seem like he went on a training arc and became a different character.
That's not what happened but it feels like it.
>>527084013>Wasn't it still Amy there in Sonic X?I fucked up. hadn't seen X in a while. yes it was Amy. Well X does what X does I guess
>>527082852>Calm down, Silver>Cheer up, Silver>Nice work, Silver>You're so cool, Silver>[generic sage wisdom]Yeah, I would tell them not to use her alongside Silver unless they completely changed their dynamic but at that point why even bother?
>>527082746It reminds people of 06, Blaze till this day is in character after rush adventure and her stoic behavior is considered normal around everybody else,(Sonic, cream, Amy, Rouge,...) So i guess focus on both characters equally, the more story elements that help Silver, you give the same treatment to Blaze, rest is just ship faggotry.
>>527084238>My immediate instinct is to call you a fucking liar but I've been proven wrong about this kind of shit before like with Blaze's crush on Sonic, so I'll just ask for source.Play SA2
>>527084449this dumb bitch gave me a time limit only to get stuck in the motherfucking safe anyway
>>527083758Why is Tails so girly
>>527084449I have several times, if there's something in there I didn't catch it
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- “Shall we get going?”
- “Where could my Emerald be?”
Dry Lagoon
- “Even if I collect all the pieces, can he really put it back together?”
- “I hate places like this.”
Egg Quarters
- “The key’s gotta be somewhere around here.”
- (nervously) “There sure are a lot of weird robots around here… ”
Security Hall
- “You must be kidding! The security here is a joke!”
- “I’ll check on that data on Shadow later.”
Mad Space
- “Looks like we’ll have all the pieces very shortly.”
- “Hmm… These hints make no sense.”
Cannon’s Core
- “Where is that switch?”
- “Aren’t we cutting it kinda close? No time.”
>>527084639>- “I hate places like this.”bros...t-they're not friends?
>>527084639I want to Rouge espionage in a scenario that she considers not a joke
>>527083887Because at her core, Blaze is basically Sonic's alternate-dimension counterpart. She sees a little of him in her.
>>527084238It says, verbatim, that she has romantic interest in him. Meanwhile, it also acknowledges that "Knuckles and Rouge" comes from Sonic X. It completely upends the narrative that a lot of fans have been pushing for years.
>>527083758so we just, have her be a tsundere for silver and its fixed?
Dry Lagoon was one stage that was actually BETTER in the Battle version
>>527084754places like that are usually full of mosquitoes and shit, makes sense for her to hate it
>>527084639I miss Lani Minella so much.
>>527084279Completely annoyed by Blaze retarded babble about royal duty as if she's something special and not knowing what chilling is while nagging on and on about peasants will train someone on patience you're right
>>527084340Blaze still acts like she does in '06 around Silver, that problem never went away. A feature of their relationship that she's different around him. She's not merely "stoic", you only think that because Blaze is with Silver all the time.
>>527084754Old overgrown ruins. Rouge is a city girl who loves human culture, glitz, and glamour. She probably likes the turtle though because he's cute and helpful
>>527084238>proven wrong about this kind of shit before like with Blaze's crush on SonicSo you're gullible?
>>527084863Now that's interesting. I could've sworn I've seen more of the published profiles push Knuckles harder on Rouge than Shadow.
Tails
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- “Hmm, which way should I go?”
- (snoring noises)
Prison Island
- “I’ve gotta find Sonic. He’s in jail!”
- “This place is huge!”
Mission Street
- “I’ve gotta lose them… There must be a place to hide.”
- “I hate earthquakes!”
Hidden Base
- “Can I break this?”
- “There must be a way to get in there.”
Eternal Engine
- “It’s getting hard to breathe in here.”
- “Gotta find the power supply and destroy it!”
Cannon’s Core
- “I’ll give it my best shot!”
- “I should get over there… now!”
>>527084863>>527085151don't forget the tension going on in sa2, so what happened?
>>527084754Up until a few years ago, I thought it was Rouge making those noises at the start of this level
>>527085053Don't know what are you talking about, she was with him like 3 times in 20 years, plus she's more expressive then her cardboard 06 self, and actually mentions her plot and talks about herself more. if anything else Silver has become much more ooc mostly when she's around
>>527085275Cool, didn't know Tails hated earthquakes
Dunno what I'll do with this info but thx
>>527085151Nothing on SoJ's end, that's for sure. Some third-party sources and SoA like to push KnucklesXRouge, been SoJ has always been solidly shadouge. Even the SA2 script in Japanese more partial to shadouge. I find it interesting that Sonic Team has implicitly clarified here that Knuckles and Rouge's interactions are not meant to be perceived as romantic in SA2.
>>527054002Sulking like always
>>527085372What happened is that they revived Shadow sooner than wanted to and thus Rouge was written to be more of a Shadow-orbiter because of Sonic Heroes' Team Dark.
Knuckles
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- “Hu-hu-huh!” (boxing sounds)
- “All right, let’s find the next Emerald!”
Wild Canyon
- “If I don’t hurry it up, that bat girl is going to find it first!”
- “That’s some serious wind.”
Pumpkin Hill
- “I can sense a piece of the Emerald is nearby.”
- “What a weird place.”
Aquatic Mine
- “What is a piece of the Master Emerald doing here?”
- “I’ll use the water level to my advantage.”
Death Chamber
- “Where is the key hidden? Think.”
- “Sheesh, it’s like a maze.”
Meteor Herd
- “This just doesn’t make any sense. What are the Emeralds doing in space?”
- “Something’s affecting the gravity here.”
Cannon’s Core
- “There’s no way I can leave without that Emerald over there.”
- “Where’s that switch Eggman was talking about?”
People really think Sega owns Miku huh
>>527085275of course tails has the most boring quotes
>picmy favorite mech stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8_C1J074cQ
>>527085521Yeah this makes sense. Sa2 ends in a way that fits shadouge way better than knuxouge. Luckily it seems sonic team agrees.
>>527085698couldn't they do that without making them an item?
Thread is comfy when namefags aren't around
>>527085862They do make her games though so I guess it's easier to get a permission to use her
>>527085703>- “That’s some serious wind.”sorry!
>>527085372>>527085521But. Wasn't Rouge's last line to Knuckles in SA2 "I'm going after your FAMILY jewels next, you'll see!"?
Can sega go bankrupt again already and sell sonic to nintendo or something?
Does this mean i can finally have my juliexknuckles stuff in my fanfics and not have knuxouge people be mad at me? (i am a fan of both)
>>527086003they're not an item, they just hang out and work together sometimes
>>527086136No, they're doing pretty well financially sadly lol
>>527086006Yeah... I'm totally not a namefag... Ooooo... You'll never know who I am...
>>527086120No, what?! You're just making things up now. You sound like that momthrower from a few days ago who was trying to claim that knuckles and rouge got "dinner" together but it was just them standing near each other at sonic's birthday party.
Eggman
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- “Argh, how irritating. Nothing but wimps!”
- “Ugh… I’m really getting tired of operating this machine.”
Iron Gate
- “No matter what you do, it’s mine.”
- “Do you think that pile of junk is going to stop me?”
Sand Ocean
- “Now I’ve got to start over from the base!”
- “My machines hate the sand… I’ve got to get out of here.”
Lost Colony
- “I thought the central control room is this way.”
- “Could this be the place my grandfather wrote of?”
Weapons Bed
- “Let’s see if I can have some fun now!”
- “Those fools are no match for me!”
Cosmic Wall
- “Sonic… This time I can’t lose.”
- “Boy, this walker design is perfectly suited for space!”
Cannon’s Core
- “Once you get out of here, it will be up to them.”
- “The central dome must be over there.”
>>527085493You should check the SA1 quotes as well
I like how he points out that the train station in the Mystic Ruins was only built recently, and that he wants to build his own version of an Egg Carrier
When's the mom thrower joke ever going to end?
>>527086210Knuxougefags can be pretty brutal but you can always remind them that their ship technically isn't real lmao. In my experience they're some of the most toxic shippers, so sorry they're going after you for your ship.
>>527086350Wow sorry my hearing sucks and that scene isn't subtitled. She sounds a little suggestive and says "jewels" but she did not say "family jewels" lol.
>>527086381>- “Ugh… I’m really getting tired of operating this machine.”>eggman hates mech stagesbased
>>527086527>and that he wants to build his own version of an Egg CarrierDoesn't he build a giant space ship in Chronicles or something
He also builds on in X
>>527086536Never. Same with bestie jokes. We need to ritualistically bully shippers until we die.
>>527086536You will never live it down.
>>527086741Cool, I haven't played Chronicles yet. I'll get to it at some point
>>527084271If Blaze is Nega-Sonic, she shouldn't count as "SONIC" because literally everything that makes Blaze "Blaze" is "what if the complete opposite of Sonic?"
Ah, it's the pedo and she dropout
>>527086592oh i love both Knuxouge and Knuxulie so idk im used to it atr
>>527086527SA1 and SA2 were two sides of one story with consistent writing and characterization
What went wrong after that?
>>527085484>more expressiveThis is flip side of the same problem, where she's too comfortable around him. Blaze groans at Sonic's jokes then laughs at Silver's jokes one issue later. Because they're in sync.
>talks about herselfThey talked about how in sync they are while listing off their character lore.
Their relationship is meant to be so special that it cuts through all her insecurity etc but that's literally her character. Rouge has a heart of gold under the surface but it's not constantly on display around Knuckles/ Shadow.
>>527086527>>527086741Tails won
If Tails hadn't given Sonic the fake emerald, Sonic wouldn't have survived, and Eggman would have doomed the earth after inserting all 7 emeralds into the ark
>>527086978Well I don't like knuxouge but I'm fine with knuxjulie. The problem with knuxouge was always the shippers and how aggressive they were and it made me dislike the ship as a whole.
>>527084834This doesn't make sense because Amy is vastly more like Sonic than Blaze is.
Like, that's like trying to say that because you really love fire, you must love ice as well. Like... no. Sonic and Blaze are polar opposites, like the two sides of a magnet.
>>527085595not for long!
been meaning to ask, since you made them together did you have any plans on establishing a connection between Woe and Basil?
>>527080376>In the classic dimensionThis is the only way it makes sense. Especially for extremely over the top redesigns despite most being a year older, and how amy got 4 years older out of nowhere. You can't erase the past sega.