Mai vs Chun Edition
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>>527723680 (OP)COTW will use the balding SF6 Chun design instead of the masterpiece SF2 design. Sad!
KoF '98:UMFE is the best dead game ever
Why does SNK hate May Lee so much?
>>527723680 (OP)Did Chun-Li get a new outfit too?
>>527723680 (OP)Any KOFXVers tomorrow night?(NA)
https://youtu.be/3ja2ku_BwwU
>>527723956Wonder if she'll have proximity normals.
Wonder of KoF 16 will have COTW Mai
Everything on Andy's card.
>>527741861especially for this guy
>>527711449
they might as well give that anon his 3 years of support because it's all that'll be left kek
>>527750397yeah we know that's you
>>527741749I wanna read Oda's cope. Nabil, heavy autocombo and ungabunga advocate, is keeping his lying, stinking, shilling mouth shut about the flop as well. Congrats, Nabil. Your general shilling helped fuck SNK over.
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>>527741749Exactly what happened to MOTW before the steamchart days
>>527761643I hope this teaches SNK that American opinions are worthless, they will never play SNK's games.
>>527770097SNK are gonna go back to those very Americans, ask them why it flopped, then listen to them again. GUARANTEED. They have not demonstrated the common sense to decipher good from bad.
>>527741749I wish I knew what game people are playing instead of this one. Because if the people who tried what IMO is the best modern 1v1 fighting game decided to slime or deal with s2 tekken instead then we are completely fucked as FG fans, the message we're sending is that we want more slop. But if you tell me they went to kof or fightcade instead that would be better.
>>527771069I think you guys will just have to come to accept that just maybe, what SNK makes isn't actually all that great and appealing to the majority. If KOF was truly all that great, more people would be playing right now and talking about it all the time, instead of it still being irrelevant to everyone but the same 40+ year old Mexicans and Chinese dudes playing the franchise since 2002. If COTW was that great, more people would be playing, and interest in it wouldn't have died down this quickly to staggering low-levels. SNK's game-design is attractive to no-one, no matter how much praise their games get for being "old-school", complex and whatnot. Arc Systems dwarfed everything SNK has made in the past 20 years with one game, that being because it appeals to a tons new players and it's gameplay is more accessible. SF6 has attracted millions of new people, including tons of younger players to the genre. Meanwhile SNK continues to not attract anyone at all.
>>527772986Yet you're mentally ill enough to stay in a thread of a company you don't like while writing entire paragraphs about games supposedly no one cares about.
>>527772986What part is not appealing though? Like, gameplaywise, what does SF6 or T8 do that SNK doesn't? Should they completely remove all movement options and make their games grounded and slower? Make it into a 6 button fighter? Is it the combo structure? What?
>>527771069it's a shit game nowhere near the best modern fighting game, no one with an actual brain would think that
>>527773774shit designs, woke and censored, turn based gameplay, unbalanced, forgettable cast etc
>>527774065what's the best modern fighting game
>>527774446street fighter 6
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>98 players
>ninety fucking eight
> double fucking digit
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>527775084snkucks are gonna kill themselves, don't be a killer
>frogposter
>steamcharts poster
>also a slime gluer
I would just end it all honestly.
>>527775410That's what they deserve
>>527775420Now say that without crying, we all know your loser ass' seppuku is imminent
>>527741749honestly the most pathetic shit I've ever seen given their marketing, an absolute travesty almost on the level of concord
>>527775654I would be crying tears of joy if you fucked off back to your game instead, unfortunately we know you have more fun here than actually playing that slop.
I guess Battle hub RPs get boring pretty fast.
>>527775909You're crying tears of agony because no one is braindead enough to play your wokeslop with unlikable characters and garbage mechanics LUHMAO
Imagine talking trash when your game hit 2 digit after 2 months. Have some shame for the love of god
>>527773774SF6 is just street fighter nostalgia with well coordinated eceleb shilling and realism meme. SNK should learn from arcsys.
>>527741749i wuz here lolz
>>527774225>shit designs>forgettable castMostly the same as MotW which was great. Worst thing you can say about them is that they're generic.
>woke and censoredJennet is shaking her tits all over, hell, they have jiggle physics for her and Mai. They zoom on Mai's ass during her super. Nothing is censored here.
>turn based gameplayleast turn based among modern fighters considering a single hyper defense can steal a turn for example
>unbalancedTrue, but everything is nowadays. Tekken 8 endured a year of Dragunov domination without dying, Strive endured years of Happy Chaos.
Imagine being here obsessing about a video game for 2 months instead of playing "the best modern fighter" LMAOOOOO
For being such an irrelevant game you sure are very active in partaking in it.
>>527777071but I have been playing KOFXV
why aren't you
>>527777465I don't like fighting games bro. I just shitpost about the ones I don't play after I get hardstuck in plat, bro.
Just fapped to Mai taking a fat shit.
Favorite SNK game and why GO
>>527780649I don't play it but i have fond memories downloading Fightcade 1 and watching Brazilians mash in kof 98 and just being mesmerised by KOF in general. I gave 15 a honest go but the matchmaking issues killed any interest I had for the game. COTW is very fun and despite the low steamcharts I can still find games and with people around ky skill level so I'm having a blast with it. I just pray KOF 16 has a hop macro.
Wild that all of these shitposters are praying for CotW's downfall. They didn't do that for Samsho or even for Heroines.
The internet is just a meaner place nowadays. And of course, there is fatigue from all of SNK's bullshit and "the FGC Cycle" in general.
>>527788776The marketing put more spotlight on COTW compared to the other titles too.
How is Mai/Yashiro/Iori for learning 98?
>>527784632>I gave 15 a honest go but the matchmaking issues killed any interest I had for the game.Issue has been solved. This means that since you wanted to play a 3v3 fighter with unique movement and nothing else similar is on the market to scratch that itch, you came back, right? But I know you didn't because that is not how fighting games work somehow. I see it happen with other genres where games can recover from a bad launch but with fighting games if the first week isn't perfect people will memory hole your fighting game even if it's a major franchise, even SF5 had trouble bringing people back, even though nothing else played like SF to scratch the same itch and steal players.
>>527788776I'll never forgive COTW for getting KOFXV tossed to the side like a red haired stepchild.
>>527792039>too chickenshit to blame Oda or SNK directly.kek
>>527788776SS came out in 2019. COTW is barely better. It's my favorite game, but it's true.
>>527792039KOFXV had a 500 24hrs peak player count by the time Hinako dropped. You need to realize that they can't keep selling DLCs to pretty much nobody
>>527780649KoF and everything they released in 96.
>>527792380and now with cotw?
>>527772986>SF6 has attracted millions of new peopleNot even 9k of those millions play online daily.
>>527791261I booted up KOF 15 long after the matchmaking issues were resolved and I couldn't find games in EU. For EU its pretty a discord fighter. The rollback in that game is a bit shit so accepting games from people outside my region with 150+ ping is not a fun time. Gave the game a fair go with 180 hours play time.
>>527771069People have told you ea brains over and over what put people off, but you drooling numbskulls keep hitting your head on the wall, repeating the same goddamn questions.
>>527793179COTW isn't selling any DLC yet. Not to mention they've already announced 3 seasons of support which are most likely getting cut down to 2 at best
>>527793374To be honest, from what I hear every fighting game in EU is a discord fighter other than Tekken. I hear complaints even about SF6's matchmaking. For some reason the whole continent never got into fighters.
>>527795432>>527795208the shills for this game were so confident and cocky
>>527795432Is this rooflemonger? He's been saying the exact same shit
>>527795208>>527795432>>527796079I mean, not him but I don't know how Ronaldo is a negative. If anything, it's sad how even he couldn't save the game, because it's clear he brought it a ton of visibility since his trailers have more views than anything else SNK put out.
>>527741749that 'nigger' guy defending the guests in the name of 'sales' that never came.
>>527796617>I don't know how Ronaldo is a negativeThen don't defend it. People told you tons of people were boycotting, and people called the ones pointing it out, doomers. Just like KoF 15 launch roster. Just like KoF 15's lack of content. Just like KoF 15's broken matchmaking. The shiteaters helped the game FLOP
>>527796782>I sincerely hope Capcom adds Tom Holland Spider-Man and other shit to SF6 just to watch the rhetoric spin back and go "no this is good because we aren't getting MVC"SF6 is gonna get a kpop collab costume where you will be forced to see in-game advertising for a real life band. Ronaldo is an e-sport ambassador for EWC which includes SF6. That anon will be vindicated as the same capshills who said Ronaldo is bad and promoting real life artists inside the game is a disgrace that spits on the legacy of the franchise or whatever, will completely ignore the same situation in SF6 saying it's good to advertise kpop artists to bring new fans to the game and that Ronaldo will actually bring views to the EWC.
>>527741749Here's another snkcocksucker arguing with people to happily eat corpo guest slop or the game will die. Turns out, it died with guest slop anyway.
i cant wait to play chun in an actually good fighting game this year.
>>527741749This one was so obsessed with trannies and resetera, he didn't realize thousands of others were canceling their preorders, too. :(
>>527741749Welp! They got warned.
>>527798671>>527798343hes not wrong. resetera was never gonna play anyways cause of the saudis. normalfags would never boycott a game anyway for political reasons. cotw just doesnt have enough flashiness to attract casuals. its that simple. mechanically the game is great, but that doesn't mean anything to casuals. needs to have a big bombastic single player and cutting edge graphics which this doesn't have.
The guests are distasteful but they lost them like 5k units at best. COD had nicki minaj and messi and only a few guys gave a fuck. Nobody cares about the sanctity of fatal fury when they donโt even know anything about the IP besides that it looks like a cheap run of the mill 2D fighting game offering
>>527796617Just because people want to see a car crash doesn't mean they want to be part of it.
>>527801969The problem with that comparison is thinking COD and COTW share a similar fanbase. FG fans are nerdier than COD fans so they care about stuff like this.
>5kJudging by that beta drop-off, I highly doubt it was just 5k.
>>527801969A lot of the core FG audience lost interest in CotW after playing the 1st online beta test (or seeing it played by streamers).
When Ronaldo was announced a _month_ later just before the 2nd OBT, it didn't matter because the damage was already done.
>>527801969I don't like how the game seems to be high damage/ease of getting high damage, so I didn't bother playing after the second beta. Green slime blow is cancer too.
>>527780649AOF3. Best combo system ever but that might be because I love Tekken 3 as well. I just wish the new characters had better move sets, specially Sinclair.
>>527801969Why would you compare a yearly slop multimillion franchise with a niche hardcore SNK series? Are you stupid?
UNI2, GBVS, and KOFXV have kept playerbases for years, there's no reason COTW can't. Just needs an actual balance patch and good DLC.
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>>527784632>I just pray KOF 16 has a hop macrobro hopping isn't hard
jesus christ
>>527792039this desu
last patch was ass and one of the dlc came out dogshit
>>527808635> high damage/ease of getting high damageAlright, how about decreasing the damage outside of SPG, but keeping the damage in SPG high?
>>527808652I saw someone in Juicebox's chat once, when he was playing VF5, say that VF5 and 3D games in general reminded him of AOF3. Now you're the second person I see making that comparison, what is it that makes it similar to 3D games?
>>527770712it didn't help that the then ceo's "plan" wasn't really a plan, it was a goal
he didn't have a plan in mind at all
it's like saying in response to "what is your plan for this war", "to beat my enemy and win"
that's not a plan, that's an ambition
>was browsing nexusmods
>remembered I never looked into XV mods
>decided to check it out
>Isla and Elizabeth nude mods, no other girls
>a ton of male nude and barefoot mods
why are snk players so gay? Shun'ei kinda hot though
>>527771069I went back to Granblue.
Iโm not one of the โhurr durr modern fighting games too offensive and randomโ retards (if anything modern fighting games are pretty defensive) so Iโm not a hypocrite.
Main turn off was that CotWโs cast all play the same and it makes the game feel simple and boring.
Granblue, despite having baby tier execution, also has a ton of variety on the roster (outside of the shotos) so different matchups really do feel different.
I appreciate it when games have hard execution but all you get for grinding the execution in CotW is parry OSs which is like, who cares, itโs a parry dude theyโre in every game.
>>527818101I respect anyone who went back to Granblue, even though that game is boring as fuck to me and characters also feel homogeneous. It's at least a competent game that does exactly what it set out to do really well even if it's not what I like. I just wish more people went back to KoF instead. But not going to slime city or current tekken is at least good enough to me.
>>527817841>why are snk players so gay?good question
they're good with sausage fests
they talk about capcom's ugly aesthetics but defend boy jenet as a "realistic" "british woman" which is funny that the style of choice isn't even realism to begin with (shows no commitment in presentation, just fraudulent incapabilities)
they talk more about the dudes and their gayness
their star characters are often portrayed in yowey situations like iori and kyo and even gay dash, and terry x rock, probably ralf x clark is out there too
one of the more popular doujin makers of the time focused on shotas which would make sense if we were talking about hot mamas being seductive and assertive, but it was more about focusing on shotas themselves and them probably peeing on each other or some shit lmao
and i'm apparently the gay guy because i want nice aesthetics for what should have been a hot bimbo girl instead of a woman whose face looks like that one of a caked up glam j-rock star from the 90s
>>5277806492002um, huge amount of characters, and a okayish content offering. Gameplay and movesets are also among the best here.
>>527784632>I just pray KOF 16 has a hop macro.Dude please go and emulate Smash or any platformers right now, I promise you hopping is not as difficult or as arcane as you think it is.
>>527818693oh and i forgot to mention ash and shion who don't even look convincing as traps, at least to me they didn't
and then there's gaytenkun
and haohmaru x genjuro
the list goes on
most of the interest in girls is placed upon the low hanging fruit characters, eg mai, athena
>>527819038He literally said he is still playing cotw. He can try hopping without the macro right there. I'm also puzzled how people can have difficulty with hopping.
>>527819603I still always bring up Smash and general platformers as a point against people saying hopping is arcane when it's basically a staple in platformers.
Sure you have to press up on a stick or pad, and if you're using leverless it's the same as pressing a. But fundamentally it's not really that different. I never got what makes SNK fighters so fucking arcane about the simple act of a shorthop.
there are aof games and fatal fury games with hops even pre motw
>>527820359I'll do you one even better
This fucking game right here effectively kick-started gaming history right here, and has different jump heights that remain to this day.
>>527780649Favorite: any Metal Slug. Why: co-op with my cousins
>>527819038>I promise you hopping is not as difficult or as arcane as you think it is. I will this: hopping in CotW is less lenient than MotW. (a difference of 3 frames!)
And I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but CotW feels less lenient than any KOF.
And forget about Last Blade -- you only have 3 frames to return to neutral from an up direction.
>>527780649Samurai Shodown V SP bc I fell in the meme it was the best 2D fighting game. And you know what?. It is. Maybe. II and 2019 are great entries too.
Super SideKicks 3 because I still play with my friends.
My kof vs sf hentai game is coming nicely chuds.
:D
Imagine an rpg where you can X-ray the girls.
>>527830086you need a process where you can lock away those pictures for good
>>527830732they're placeholders.
Now that COTW failed, the genre is doomed. There will unironically never be a fighting game with neutral again, it will all be one button forced interaction shit for retards.
Instead of staying on this sinking ship, it's time to improve your marketable skillset and actually try to improve your life. If you have the autism to learn frame data and situational combos, you can apply that to actually useful things IRL.
Good luck!
>>527831671I might just join the boomers and hop on fightcade
>>527816339>>527816339I suppose it's different from player to player but for me it's the way you start combos (forward + light punch/kick), the emphasis on juggles, otgs, timing your hits, delaying your getting up after being knocked down, and the lack of fireball throwers besides Ryo, Robert and Wyler. It's a very complex game for a 2D fighter so no wonder it failed.
>>527831853>It's a very complex game for a 2D fighter so no wonder it failed.The graphics look weird as fuck and the cast is a bunch of bland literal whos. It's everything people meme about CotW but for real and x2.
New COTW video just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyDjoLcZvSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyDjoLcZvSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyDjoLcZvSY
>>527818101>Main turn off was that CotWโs cast all play the same and it makes the game feel simple and boring.Can't imagine how exasperated "KOF Studio" devs must be when they made the effort to make all the characters fair, balanced, "samey"... And then end up having all the tourney players still tier-whoring it up.
>>527832017>>Complaining about the graphics>>AOF3Back in my day, people put some effort in trolling.
>Fumbled Samsho
>Fumbled KOF
>Now fumbled Fatal Fury
At which point will you guys except that SNK in 2016+ just may not be a good company with good devs?
>>527834021I know. I always heard they were supposed to be amazing and look technically impressive for its time. But just look at the weird as fuck animation, being impressive doesn't mean good. The zooming in and out all the time is annoying as fuck too. Beautiful stages though.
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>>527832831they put $2.5 million on the line of COURSE people are gonna tierwhore!
>>527832831>>527836309Sad part about the tierwhoring is that people didn't even lab, even with millions of dollars on the line. Because it took a long time to discover Marco is broken, which just shows that they didn't even pick the best possible characters, they just picked the obvious day 1 cracked beta characters. Then you see them play against less popular characters like Salvatore or Ronaldo and it's clear they have no idea what they do either. Again there are millions of dollars to be made, pros should be labbing every single button from every single character, trying to find the next cheap shit or defend against it, yet even with that motivation they don't care.
how "fun" a fighting game is will always be a subjective thing, no matter how "over-designed" modern FGs become.
SNKslop getting what it deserves
>>527810858>>527819038What's wrong with adding a hop macro if the traditional way of hopping is still in the game?
>>527849668>spoonfeeding literal retards is fineit isnt, just look at kuso6 modern controls
>>527846569It's not just shitposting trolls saying stuff like this. There is real anger, resentment, and bitterness at SNK that comes from a sense of betrayal from all its failures.
>>527850438A hop macro isn't like the modern control scheme in SF 6 at all.
is the andy patch going to have a balance update or no? if not this game is cooked
>>527850506Even before KoFXV's matchmaking problems you had the exact same kind of people angry at SNK and wanting them to fail for some reason, so it can't be anger due to that. I went looking for old comments about KoFXV before people knew how bad the matchmaking was, and found things like this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/sya7vx/how_are_kof_players_coping/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/tt0gt1/shatter_all_expectations/
alongside posts saying people like Punk were shittalking the game after trying to play grounded like SFV for example. It's exactly the same discourse we're seeing about CotW. Too hard for casuals, bad graphics, released too close to a mainstream game, bad roster, etc. If you go back to before release, you find comments of people saying it was gonna have more players than Strive and was gonna be the Strive killer due to having better gameplay, more characters, being a better package overall by having more features, for example:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/si3vnv/seen_some_people_on_here_arguing_that_strive_is/
Launch numbers were indeed better than CotW but were nothing special, again before people even realized matchmaking was broken. So if CotW released with more content and as a better package, would it truly have succeeded?
>>527851260They haven't said anything about the contents of the patch, but I don't see why not
COTW = Cringe of the Week
>>527858678so cotw andy aint no canon huh
muh gay nigga is da real one
>>527864175whos the mom here
>>527852073>Even before KoFXV's matchmaking problems you had the exact same kind of people angry at SNK and wanting them to failBecause the build up to XV was crap.
*The flipflop unprofessional reveal trailer.
*The crappy trailers period.
*The small roster than XIV, despite copy pasting characters.
*The lack of updates to copypasted chars' movesets.
People were getting sick of them, and tired of faggots defending the bullshit like you are now.
>>527832831Then they shouldn't have been so fucking stupid to listen to cunts like Max and the FGC period.
>>527865127K' was the base clone Nameless came from so... K'
>>527831671Yep. Said that weeks ago. It was the least pozzed new game and it flopped. It is unironically over. Not that I care. I already knew the genre was fucked after the fgc defended SFV
>>527817841You're asking why fanboys of a company with some of the first trannies, has gay fans.
>Shun'ei kinda hot thoughNever mind.
>>527780649Last Blade 1 and 2. Too many reasons to even get into but it's just peak old SNK for me. From the art, to the music, to the characters, to how unique it feels compared to everything else it's just so perfect.
>>527817841>was browsing nexusmodsthat's the problem
>>527868160It's an unique series and I can't think a modern game that it is not pixel art.
There are lots of things that modern 3D engines cannot replicate what pixels do.
>>527832712sex gigi
the only thing interesting about the video
>>527852073>and wanting them to fail for some reasonvery few people want them to fail
but people are tired of being disappointed by halfassery and mediocrity that should have been solved in some way by now, and it's been nearly 10 years since their re-engagement into the market with xiv
and yet, still with some of the same halfassery and incompetence that has been pervasive in snk's attitude since then
i get that it takes time to learn, i always say that rome wasn't built in a day
but even romans weren't going to accept shortcuts outside of functional ones to expedite work, because clearly doing so just prolongs the amount of work they have to do, and fix any mistakes that would get them killed
see, snk devs don't have to worry about getting killed or apparently fired for poor performance, same with people who fail upwards into their new roles
there's no fear of losing, just vanity projects without worry of how something is taken as long as it's made and not on your own dime, but on the consumer's
and luckily, the consumer got bored or frustrated and decided to nope out this one with cotw
Does CotW have in-game character guides?
>>527788776Ronaldo/Ganucci absolutely turned COTW negatively off for many people. It was big news even in normalfag circles and most of it very negative. People who follow Fighting Game news are not down for real lifers, currently only Mortal Kombat can somewhat get away with that and even then they had controversy within their fanbases. For 4chan specifically it made it a prime shitposting target. That's why there's a bit of campaign against it now compared to the other games.
No, these characters were not the reason why it failed but this is exactly why I immediately spoke against their inclusions to begin with since I knew this would happen. the longterm negative after effects of their inclusion are clear.
>>527849668Thereโs a subset of perpetually raped boomers that hate things like dash macros or any type of macro, donโt mind โem lil Timmy
>>527881763i don't really care if they add a hop macro, it isn't gonna ruin the game meta to have it
it's not like an instant flashkick in sf4 for 3ds
>>527881161>Ronaldo/Ganucci absolutely turned COTW negatively off for many people. It was big news even in normalfag circles and most of it very negativewhat a fucking retarded faggot
Ronaldo is the MOST popular man right now. with over 500m followers
Tekken added that walking dead faggot and kept selling. Nobody gives a shit.
COTW low sales aren't because of cr7
>>527883370No one is more retarded than you who thinks a controversial football man being on the base roster of an American marketed game had no effect. Tekken's situation isn't even close to being similar.
>>527881161>these characters were not the reason why it failedi'm just gonna go by you saying this part and let the rest slide because i've already said my piece on the subject a million times
>>527772986I think you need to realize the game being good doesn't mean it'll be successful, just look at sf6 or tekken 8, both are super hated by its players yet they are the most popular ones around
>inb4 bro sf6 is actually goated, that's why everyone prays the game gets completely reworked each season!!! kami loops 6 trust!!!
>>527883591you're retarded to think it had a major negative effect
>>527884205It did and you're out of touch.
>>527883591>controversial football man rapenaldo used to just be a /sp/ meme before the twitter fgc trannies latched onto it . American normalfags only knew him as ishowspeed TSUUU guy
now if we get jackie chan to replace hon-fu, they're gonna bring up his ccp ties and disownment of his lesbian daughter. No fun allowed. Also notice how no one in the tekken community bitches about jackie in the stage ad
normalfags will outmatch twitterfags 10:1, the problem being is that snk can't appeal to them because they suck at doing that and the snk marks don't want them around because they hate popular culture and anything they deem as "slop" because they want to sound like aewtists
otherwise getting normalfag support would drown out the irrelevant twitter grandstanding
just look at that one harry potter game lol
>this is a bad looking game
I will never understand this.
>>527887747you're right
you will never understand
hooow it feeels to live your liiiife
with no meaning or control
and with nowhere left to go
youuuu're amazed that they exist
and they burn so bright while you can only wonder whyyyyy
This game is already dead if they can't fix the fucking character balance.
>>527891175doingu characteru balanceu patchu too muchu worku, youu don'tu understandu characu balanceu patchu
https://youtu.be/k6xDKzzv6LY?si=oMWZgro7J4M0Bi1R
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this game is pretty cool, kinda glad I got the ngpc collection
If Angel or Shermie were to be guests in SF6 like Mai, they would be super popular too. Modern SNK are just talentless, amateur fucks with absolutely zero clue how to utilize their IPs, nor be appealing. Honestly, I don't believe there's even 1% of actual passion at SNK.
Who let Leffen be good at this game?
I can't understand how people say COTW is ugly but SF6 isn't.
I don't talk about technology. I mean artstyle.
>>527887747>>527919635Animations. I think the game looks great if you take screenshots during matches. No, zooming on Jenet's face during her victory screen doesn't count. But look at Dong, Ronaldo, Salvatore or Vox in motion and it looks amateurish. The attack effects are also underwhelming, compare Rock's raging storm in cotw to motw.
>>527919635Some characters look really off but some look good, I think the game itself looks nice but as the other anon said the biggest problem is the animations
>>527924325Funny thing is that CotW animations would work really well on a game with sprites since they are pretty much 1 to 1 with their 2D games, but they look bad on 3D models because there's no transition between them. They are better but it's the same problem KOF14 and 15 have.
>>527891175Think of all the pros who put time into Kain/Hokuto.
You really want their thousands of hours go to waste by nerfing their characters just before EWC?
How is that fair to the competitors?
Shame on you.
>>527927478Yes. The game should be fun for all characters, not just the chosen 3.
>Try to play some quick ranked matches on my lunch break
>Takes 10 minutes for either to queue
>Both Kain
Yeah fuck this game and fuck the devs. This is dog shit and these people deserve to be begging for money in the street.
>>527924728Not in her in-game costume
>>527927478>Think of all the prosNo. Making the games revolve around esports is what fucked fgs up.
>>527924325Yeah, the effects are way better than xv, but still not that good. No surrounding lighting, hardly any dust or wind.
>>527887747Nah, the game looks great. But it needed to Wow, and it doesn't. Plus, like the other anons say, it's effects, its lighting, its the inconsistent models, it's the roster, it's the 25fps stages (SFIV and KOF XIV bgs are 60fps, btw), it's the just inconsistent. The good stuff is AA tier, the bad stuff is real bad, when it ALL needed to be AAA if they wanted to blow people away.
>>527919635it isn't necessarily about ugly anyway
cotw just looks bootleg af
at least with sf6's ugliness it looks like a modern tech kind of ugly with more detail in the sculpts, like they put more work into the ugly
cotw looks like they spent less than a day on the actual modeling for a lot of characters and left it at that
there's nothing to attract normalfags and casuals visually
>The "universal antiair" can be counterhit by antiairs if you aren't pressing it before they're doing their air move
wow good design guys really knocked it out of the park
I just don't understand why there was no significant progression in improving training mode going from Samsho 2019 to KOFXV to CotW.
Should be a priority to build on it from previous work. BAKA.
>>527945405* Is this a 4chan easter egg? I typed the letters S M H.
LMAO
>>527945708newfag desu (intentionally typed)
>>527832831>when they made the effort to make all the characters fair, balanced, "samey"Maybe they should consider making characters unique instead of homogenizing them with system mechanics, this isn't exclusively on SNK though, this is a problem with a lot of the other fighting game developers.
Why is COTW touted as the anti-scrub game when it's just as scrubby and braindead as SF6? Instead of infinite slimer plus frames that lead to 50% damage combos with no effort or risk everyone has infinite cancellable meter specials with plus frames that lead to 50% damage combos with no effort or risk. Guard cancelling effectively doesn't exist except for the few characters who can GC their invincible buttons with no risk of losing the block direction.
>>527951162People see GCs and Feints and immediately say it's hard
>>527951162I think its retards that want a semblance of return to form to older arcade-styled fighting games.
CotW is barely that but that's enough for oldfags to try and put up with it even if it isn't much better than the other current fighters with its mechanics, and evidently movesets.
>>527952460It's just such a halfassed attempt at being "old school", it's frustrating.
>>527952625The biggest tell if something is trying to be properly old school for fighting games is how they handle movement.
If its a game that has overall worse mobility than most of their predecessors then its likely a "new school" shitheap
>What about SF6, the walk speeds are better than VSFV walk speeds were FUCKING DOGSHIT, SF6 is better but it's still worse compared to IV and especially the Alpha series/3S.
>What about Tekken 8 the sidesteps are better than in T7KBD is way worse, regular backdashing is bad, and sidewalking is worse as well. They only did sidestep buffs to shut people up since they also added a fuckload of homing bullshit that rendered the sidestep buffs pointless. So in practice, movement is even worse than in T7.
>>527951162Yeah, high damage is a very divisive thing about a game. I remember the same discourse around Power Rangers: BFTG being a 1-2 touch game.
Personally, I want damage toned down, but only outside of SPG.
People keep saying GCs are too hard. SNK already made HD into GC easier after OBT1.
Should they get rid of the penalty of getting hit after HDing too early?
Not sure bundling the penalty together with the way to avoid REV Meter buildup (by getting hit during blockstun) was a good idea.
>>527953092It's more so harsh punishments for mistakes.
This is one of the biggest reasons why GC isn't more common outside of the literal god players at the top, not only is it hard as fuck to do, its way too risky because the cost for fucking up is far too high.
>>527953092>People keep saying GCs are too hard.The only time I've struggled with them are special inputs going forward, GC into any backwards input can be done by fucking accident it's so easy.
getting close to pity chest
will claim cerb once i get it
i just dont know if i should keep spending rupies on packs or if ill just wait and hope for le 100 packs avatar chest
>>527953294GC isn't hard are you even keeping up with the conversation?
>>527954407It is hard,
>But muh qcb+Rev Guard OSYou're not going to consistently get this OS, and even if you do how often are you getting hard knockdowns from it?
>>527953850i beggeth thine pardon
>>527951162Because they made certain aspects of the game (relatively) hard, namely defense. Unfortunately, everyone likes to ignore that offense is extremely easy to abuse (relative to how easy it is to defend against) once you get a basic understanding of braking, the air approach, and rev accelling. I think the rev system is marginally better than the drive system, but the entire concept of a system that gives you full meter at the start of every round and leans so heavily on metered system mechanics to extend your combo is pretty gay imo (never mind the existence of a separate super meter for even more damage).
Players would've been greatly helped from having the tutorial explain from the get-go how moves having less blockstun than hitstun creates gaps when you block.
I thought I would be seeing more people JD/GCing in between blocked moves.
I guess people are doing a better job at varying their blockstrings and using light chain combos to avoid getting predictably GCed?
>>527959942>(never mind the existence of a separate super meter for even more damage).This itself isn't actually a problem because otherwise everyone just fucking spends their meter on EX moves over and over again, and supers become less important. The bigger problem is what you said earlier.
>but the entire concept of a system that gives you full meter at the start of every round and leans so heavily on metered system mechanics to extend your combo is pretty gay imoThis is the root problem, why the fuck are you just given EX moves for free at the start?? This just turns every round into giant retard street swings at each other and matches become a lot more volatile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6PAVrmGTEE
>>527966228I'm glad he has the Real Bout Shouryuu Dan instead of the shitty FF/KOF one, and I hope they can make the other DLC characters look good like him and not terrible like Dong/Ronaldo.
>>527965393>otherwise everyone just fucking spends their meter on EX moves over and over again, and supers become less importantWho cares? Actually being forced to make a decision about how to spend your resources is cool. Sure, the problem would be a lot less egregious if the rev gauge was a traditional ex meter, but it's still very boring design. I like games that force you to manage two meters/resources, but not when one is (for the most part) just the arbitrary option to increase your combo's damage to reach a certain threshold.
>>527967987If EX moves themselves weren't often just combo extenders, or strictly better versions of their meterless counterparts, then the combo wank problem gets solved overnight.
Something like Kyo's EX hitgrab being a regular command grab being the standard for EX move design would do a lot for the game.
>>527968514I thought it was interesting that kof 13 made ex moves cost a full bar of meter, the same as a super. I think a combination of that and what you said of ex moves focusing on having different properties from the regular version rather than just more damage or combos would be the best approach in a future game.
SNK can just remake its old fighting games every 10 years. Everyone will love that.
No changes to the gameplay or controls or system mechanics. Every decade, just update graphics, netcode, training mode, other QoL, etc.
>>527972903Why didn't people love SSF2T HD Remix...?
>>527973124They did change it for HD Remix, though.
IIRC, they did balance changes and added at least 1 new character (violent ken).
>>527976595You're thinking of Ultra SF2 with Violent Ken. HDR didn't do anything with characters except totally changed Akuma to be tournament-legal (he still wasn't tournamental-legal).
>>527886801Yeah, the problem is that people who play fighting games are deep nerds and deep nerds will absolutely pose about this shit. Like, the Twitterfags are the audience. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
I can't even find out how the game is from my friends because they're exactly that kind of person so despite being super hyped, they just immediately dropped the game. And like, you can call that retarded (and I secretly do) but it's not going to get them buying and playing the game.
>>527973124dogshit balance changes
sirlin is a retard
>>527741749everybody is laughing but i for one am feeling extremely bad that a good fighting game release ate so much shit within
how long, two or three weeks? fucking depressing
of course this comes with the asterisk of hotaru kain and ronaldo
>>528000607saw some retard online saying that CoTW does every SF6's gameplay does but 50 times worse and worse I saw people agreeing and since then I feel like I'm genuinely felt like I'm living in an bizarro dimension.
>>527984921>I can't even find out how the game is from my friends because they're exactly that kind of person so despite being super hyped, they just immediately dropped the game. And like, you can call that retarded (and I secretly do) but it's not going to get them buying and playing the game.it is what it is
some of you religious folk out here may know of a phrase, it goes something like, i can't remember the exact phrasing
give me the courage to change what i can and give me the strength to endure what i can't
and you can't forcibly change people unless you're running a dictatorship to change their behaviors in an acquiescing sense or even pavlovian sense, but if their core remains, you have only modified the outward level of things and when you're gone they'll go back to what they were doing
so instead of trying to change them, either deal with them or you better pray to your deity to give you mind controlling powers
>>528000607>good fighting gameHow is COTW a good fighting game?
>>527883370I wasn't talking about low sales. I was talking about why there is a campaign for it to fail unlike Samsho or Heroines. And it's absolutely due to the guest characters that shined a negative spotlight on the game which made it attractive to shitposters, like honey to bees. And this negative aura forever persists due to this.
appropriate for cotw, which i barely ever see talked about on other social media platforms unless the acronym stands for some c-word of the week, call of the wild, cum on the woman,
>>528016095It isn't, but it's better than the recent offerings of the industry.
>10 - 20 minute queue times
>Pool of at most 4 different players within an hour
Wow COTW is like, DEAD dead huh
>>527924728Do people still think she's a tran.
>>527728378I guess replacing King in 2002 on the Women Team really fucked with her reputation.
>>527978926nta, but I think you got it backwards (aside from violent ken being a usf2 addition). hdr had balance adjustments, while usf2 is just st with hdr's sprites (plus evil ryu and violent ken).
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>>528024675Nah, it's by far the worst fighting game in recent memory. There's not one single good thing about it
Day 56 of shitting on the stupid fucking contrarian retards who defended these fucks who no-one wanted, liked, nor asked for. Congratulations on helping SNK look even more of a shitty clown company that no-one's ever going to take seriously(more than they already didn't before), that won't be around within 5 years.
>>528037580>Only meterless option has to be input within 20 frames because it isn't invincible frame 1 to rev blow (and even faster against the faster ones)>Supers require significantly more input to counter it>Several are immune to throw after 5 frames>Takes no damage>Does more overheat on block than it costs>Full combo if any of these options fail to beat it meaning it's just better to block and risk overheat than lost outrightNone of this would be as much of an issue if the high dodge wasn't actual dogshit on 4/5 of the cast but SNK decided to give up on balancing the game before beta 1.
>>528024675>>528037758CotW is so divisive and polarizing.
Not sure there is an appetite for it, but I'd like to see the communities for MotW and CotW to band together and cross promote.
But then again, MotW is also divisive and polarizing LMAO
leffen can't find any game on stream for half an hour
>>528039335Joined his stream and he literally found a player in like 50 seconds.
>>528040874you're his lucky charm
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>>528040874https://www.twitch.tv/leffen/clip/RamshackleSweetMarrowRlyTho-kBI8UlbeLY3hSAOM
>>528041378None of them have touched it
You guys should be grateful Leffen is even playing. He's one of the only like 3 "pro" players and prominent Fighting Game person at this point who even gives a shit about COTW enough to even stream it LMAO! 99.9% of everyone else already dropped it to go back to play/stream SF6.
>>528043172True. Nobody cares about SNK. Every time they're mentioned now it's just mockery, and mentioning how nobody engages with their products. No-one cares nor takes them seriously. They're a huge joke. All you guys can do is impotently seethe at everyone else being successful while SNK continues to drive themselves into a 2nd bankruptcy. Maybe if you guys were to seethe at SNK themselves and demand better from them instead of the mediocre, low-effort, low-budget crap they keep shitting out that rightfully keeps getting ignored by 99% of people.
>>528042878I only care about him playing in so much that failing to get anywhere after a month will cause him to realize he's a hack and he livestreams himself fellating a rifle
>>528044318Not reading your mental illness. But something tells me that you're seething so bad for some reason.
>>527900159Yep. The music is a powerful part of the videogame overall.
14 channels for music/sounds in 1990 was wild btw.
>>528041957Lol wait, he said he doesn't like the game?
https://x.com/WithTheWill/status/1935531552722796836
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Tournaments filled with fucking 40 year olds and Xiaohai winning all the fucking time.
>>528064705Reads like a shitpost you'd find here. No wonder you fags like him.
>>528064705free milly desu
if you're a european pro and don't enter the tournaments for this game you're insane at this point
>>528069820They know SNK is going to renege on the prize money, Xiaohai is going to have to pester people for years before they pay up.
>>528064262Is Iroha's poop white or brown?
>shitposters are Strivers and leffen fans
>>528064705>privatekek what a pussy
Every Japanese company has their own Jrpg series.
Square: Final Fantasy
Enix: Dragon Quest
Capcom: Breath of Fire
Konami: Suikoden
Sega: Shining
Atlus: SMT
Sony: Wild Arms
Even Microsoft: Lost Odyssey
SNK: none.
Lol. Itโs like theyโre not even Japanese.
I advise them to acquire tri ace and start their own, itโs not too late after Clair Obscur.
>>528073361Was KoF really so big to carry them all those decades? It was never popular in the west, I really commend their survival skills.
>>528073361Are you 45? Half of those aren't even around anymore
the things i keep being right about with respect to snk and its games
>>528073576It was super big. That mostly didn't matter anyways because the primary source for gaming when it comes to South Americans, Arabs and Chinese was piracy. Especially during the 90s and early to mid 2000s.
>>527780649Metal Slug. The only flagship title they had but killed due to fighting game addiction.
>>528072782I mean yeah. SNK is delusional with how they hype up south town. How is a zoomer supposed to care about a setting and lore with worse presentation than gacha games.
>>528074148No one acknowledges you being right about anything because all of your ramblings are inane schizophrenic babble to most people so they just ignore it. Also no one likes a spammy retard
>>528074517They hyped it up? Last time I've checked all they did was give it a powerpoint presentation story mode while all of the marketing revolved around celebrities.
>>528072782He's absolutely right. And I dislike ChrisG. SNK don't even have classic costumes lined up. Don't even have a stage for Andy, to rekindle a shred of hype.
LOL at the other guy
>film or animeNobody gives a fuck about some midtier anime from an obscure company. The anime would have to be Akira or Attack on Titan tier to even register. Aint gonna happen. SNK products feel cheap. After 99, they used to feel cheap, but had souuuul. Now they're cheap and soulless.
>>528073576KOF was able to get them through the years because they were made very cheaply. Lots of asset-reuse too. The one time they did actually try with KOF and make something actually high-budget, that being KOF 13(and 12), they failed because no-one gave a fuck about KOF nor SNK enough to offset the costs, and make them profit. Now, KOF is especially not going to do jackshit for them, seeing as what SNK is supposedly striving for is an AAA-level future. They can't continue to coast off of it's cult-following. What they have to do is put effort into their shit instead of putting out barebones, modern Arcade Games that look 3 gens behind. But seeing as COTW is the 5th product SNK has released now post-pachinko and they're STILL making their products the way they do, I think the people there just aren't good enough.
>>528073613Half? Youโre delusional. Most of them are still around and some are living their best days now like Persona.
>>528064705ghost town of the wolves
>>528074517Yeah South Town is just a name with zero substance. Any random One Piece crew has more aura.
>>528044318Post made me laugh. Been an SNK fan since the glory years, and it's true. The last string of mistakes has ruined their rep. to the point where 1 good game won't even be enough to turn it around. I hope they've delayed their Top Publisher plans.
>>528075035Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and SMT/Persona are the only active/relevant ones you've posted. You're clueless and out of touch.
>>528074590i seem to have more fans than snk at this point lmao
but you can just keep being like a gayewtist
>>528041378It's higher res than sf4, but not as smooth. Been playing sf4 since its release, and cotw since launch. SF4 has a smoothness not even sf5 or sf6 have. It's just like butter. The way the camera pans, the camera cuts, the clouds of dust flying everywhere for special moves. It's near perfect.
>>528075357Terry alone has more "aura" than anyone from Juan piss zoomie
>>528038849Exactly. MotW flopped. Don't know what SNK were thinking making that the predominant roster.
>>528038195This. They're silent as fuck now. Good. We warned them.
>>528075013They must realize that theyโre now too irrelevant to bet on nostalgia, like literally nobody cares about them anymore. Itโs why they made Fatal Fury, and why it flopped hard. What they need is to consider themselves a new starting company and accordingly, by working to make a name for themselves. They half assed cotw because they were thinking the old super popular title still holds weight. They should make new titles that stand on their own, when Capcom made RE7, they didnโt give a flying fuck about fans, they literally made it into fps with outlast references, yet it made them billions, they just made a good game, the way they wanted it, thatโs it.
>>528037580They thought copying the hated parts of Dix was clever. I blame people like Max. Why? He influenced SNK to homogenize Hidden Gears inputs. What else did he say to them. You know he dickrides SF6.
>>528076002I donโt think so with those steam chart numbers and his low player count in sf6 lmfao.
>>528075490Suikoden got a remaster a new gatcha, youโre the one out of touch.
>>528016095its not sf6 or tekken 8
Anon posted that thing with SNK hiring some community manager and him posting on discord.
That isn't going to do shit lmao. Even having that Fatal Fury discord server won't attract a community
>>527924728Apparently, Preecha is the most CPU demanding model in the game. I've studied current and last gen versions of cotw, and Preecha's is the only one that was gimped for last gen. Might be the 3 layers of hair, but the PS4 version removes all physics for her shorts.
>when a ps1 remaster has relatively the same numbers of your 100 millions game with Ronaldo
Lol
Wait so anon says film/anime would be pointless.
But these numbers are insane... wtf
>>528077259No one cares about your e-celeb. Anons here give far better insight.
>>528077667>Anons here give far better insight.LOL yeah right
You were the same fuckers sucking off Ronaldo being in the game saying COTW will compete with SF6
>>528077592If pokimane recorded her fart abd posted it on YouTube, her video will instantly make 10 million views. Those numbers are nothing. And probably half of them were from chinese mistaking it as a wuxia series.
>>528077813Nobody ever said that. Straw man fallacy. Low iq person detected.
>>528077818>from chinese mistaking it as a wuxia seriesShit thats true
>>528077485>it has more reviews canโt make this shit up
>>528077667>No one cares about your e-celeb.or snk
This general is absolute dog shit. I don't blame people for leaving its just a miserable place for shitposting about the same 3 topics about COTW not being the next big fighting game over and over again. KOF discussion is nonexistent too despite it being the more popular game series.
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>>528078161>I don't blame people for leavingas they should
there's a free hugbox right over there at retardera(?) that'll ban the discussions you hate
>>528078161ahhh shut up and fuck off to Fatal Fury reddit
>>528078294>>528078351You faggots are the ones who post screenshots and links to those sites when it fits your shitposting agenda.
>>528072782>outside of the millions of dollars in prize money they shouldve used on the game itselfI think it's obvious they can't. Whenever they got the greenlight for the esports money the product was already what it is now. We know or at least have strong indication from the datamine that Dong, Ronaldo and Salvatore were rushed and developed in less than a year. From what Capcom and NRS devs have said in interviews it takes almost 2 years to develop a character from zero
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2023/may/14/capcom-sf6-characters-concept-implementation/
At that point you could throw all the money in the world at the game and they couldn't make Ronaldo look any better any faster.
>>528078161Not our fault that snk barely drop games, or that cotw is practically dead. I still play the game but thereโs nothing to talk about, no fan arts, no memes, no streamers, no characters to shitpost about, story was bad.. etc.
Snk made great gameplay but everything else is mediocre at most.
>>528078726the door's right over there
>>528078726Are you 10 years old? First time on the internet? Need your nappy changed?
>>528078161>KOF discussion is nonexistent too despite it being the more popular game series.People who play KoF probably don't know this place exists. I know many who don't even know about fightcade
>>528078161Resetera tranny ruined the general. Shitposting about cotw is actually what keeping us from going
This general would be dead without the shitposting.
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>>528078815>From what Capcom and NRS devs have said in interviews it takes almost 2 years to develop a character from zeroand snk didn't even do the from zero part
>>528079159it's dead with the shitposting
>>528079186for most characters they did
>>528079159uhhh ummm i don't care about it being dead....i can chat just fine....with friends and family uhhhHhh...
>>528079186Point out one character that's reused in COTW
As a KOF loyalist. I'm happy that COTW has fucking bombed.
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>>528079580>As a KOF loyalist. Your game also fucking bombed, just a little less, but bombed way more times. If anything SNK has a few options now. They could just declare bankruptcy again, in which case all their series are dead now. Or try something like another Samsho or a new IP. But trying another KoF when the company went bankrupt in the past while releasing KoF games, and when their last few KoFs bombed, would be insanity.
>>528078824We can host lobbies here.
>>528079580millions in prize money! i apparently care if some top player makes that money after defeating the only 5 other tourney entrants for the game down the road because i'm a moneycuck
>>528079942so you can dox everyone? no thank you!
>>528079942then feel free to do that
>>528079940Neither XIV and XV "bombed" because they didn't throw money around for them. KOF would do well if it looked good and was a modern package as the brand name is there for that one at least.
Random One Piece crew with more aura than cotwโs lame ugly cast
>>528078161I keep asking for XV games
>>528080136We can but the non stop shitposting has me doubtful any genuine fans are left here.
>>528080081Other fighting game generals host lobbies with no issues.
>>528080893shouldn't stop you from trying to host lobbies
tell me how it works out, or don't, idc
it'll just show how right i keep being about things like numbers mattering to a degree
>>528076594Wow a remaster. One that quite literally nobody heard off or played. Take your pills gramps.
>>528080680That's not a random crew
>>528072782>Sf6 and nrs games show that story mode/world tour mode alone does wondersFrom achievements we know no one plays those, and everyone watches NRS' movies on youtube. The actual reason those modes matter is that they lets journalists who hate fighting games play something they can talk about in detail later, and it builds good word of mouth about it being a "complete product".
>Online being a big problemTekken 7 and 8 had their online being criticized to death and they sell a ton. Harada had to apologize on stage during EVO Japan about the shitty matchmaking. Punk was competing in SFV with the name "cfn sucks" because online was trash, didn't kill the game. SNK's problem is that for some weird reason Americans and Europeans have 0 nostalgia for their games, so they don't get afforded the same fuckups. But the people who do have nostalgia are happily playing the old games.
>No unlockables. No content. No outfits.Sounds like SF6. At this point everyone who bought the game over 2 years ago has already ran out of new content a long time ago. The game is stale and patches change nothing. Yet it's gaining players, not losing, so clearly none of this matters. Which is a bigger loss for CotW. A similar game released in the middle of a content drought didn't convince anyone to try it.
>>528080893>Other fighting game generals host lobbies with no issues.I've seen cotw lobbies during the launch week. But anyway, sfg and fgg host no lobbies, and tekgen is legit unreadable.
>>528081382>Sounds like SF6.except sf6 has unlockable alt costumes for the launch cast
cotw has ONE alt you can pay for and it's the one that's in kofxv
not even for the dlc character that is andy ffs
I don't get all the tinfoil hat arguments when 99% of the game's problems could've been solved with up to date visuals and no saudi guests
>>528081712huh what you mean!! the game looks fine to me!!
>>528081678>except sf6 has unlockable alt costumes for the launch castSure. 2 years later you already unlocked all of those. What content is keeping you playing the game? You could look at Strive then as a better example. No content to unlock, shit single player, still popular. Even if CotW had content to unlock and attracted new players with it, the people who played the game are leaving. Tekken completely destroyed their game with season 2 and still people didn't leave like they left here.
>still can find games in EU relativity quick on a weekday despite everything
Fuck the shitposters.
Anyway as time as gone on I feel more comfortable having my spg at the start of my health bar too. I don't spam rev blow but I like using my hidden gear early on. What spg placement do you guys like?
Dammmmmit.
This game is ugly, maaaan.
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>>528082135i was just simply correcting the error that it had nothing at all, not that it's getting anything rn
but otherwise that's snk's fault for the game looking too bootleg to get anyone's foot in the door to begin with
and no characters that drive interest in the product
it has no players to maintain because it can't get any to begin with
strive looks way prettier and has a cast of characters people are more interested in
maybe try that
why do more people watch wwe over something like aew? it's a perfect analogy whether you like it or not, and before you whine about it being rasslin, don't forget that one, you ha(d) big bear mcraiden, antonov is right there in kofxv along with kod and ramon and shermie and anne hell, cotw has tizoc
>>528082939yeah it's all their fault that you can't find players, the game would totally be florishing without them!
>>528082985good, rock, you look kinda cool
I really hope BO5 becomes the tournament standard.
>>528083448don't worry from now on it will always be best of five players
>>528083448Xiao Hai doesnโt wanna get robbed lol
>>528080207>KOF would do wellSNK was releasing new KoFs when they went bankrupt in the past, that series can't save them. Anyway, French Bread is ok with reusing sprites to sell a discord fighter at low cost, they have like 10 employees. SNK is a big company with IPs that used to rival SF made by the same people who made SF, and in fact they're more popular than Capcom in many places around the world to this day. They can't be satisfied or happy with KoF's performance, from their point of view it bombed. You can say
>but if only they released a kof with better graphics, or cheaper, or more content, or...but they can't keep trying infinite times hoping that this time they found what the problem was. Graphics and characters didn't help KoF13. 15 couldn't beat SFV which IMO was even uglier. Maybe they should downsize and make sprite based KoF games forever French Bread style.
>>528084039>Graphics and characters didn't help KoF13well of course it didn't help, there weren't any real draws in 13 and the graphics looked like an snes game to most people
pros from SF are playing the game and loving it. I have a feeling its gonna be a slow burn and the million dollar tournament plus street fighter characters are gonna stabilize it and give it a small but consistent community in the long run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCMzqUIw14
>>528084436>graphics looked like an snes game to most peoplei cant tell if you're rage baiting or you're just giving an example of how retarded most normalfags are when it comes to appreciating graphics.
>>528085175>loving the gameBad timing. Punk was humble bragging that he made 13th at ceo without touching the new patch
>>528084436>there weren't any real draws in 13 Well, if the CotW cast is not a real draw, and the KoF isn't either, maybe SNK should try new IPs. But they need better designers, because the people currently there are gonna give us more Shun'eis and Preechas.
>>528085658To be fair, that is Punk with every game but SF. He did the same with Strive.
>>528072782ChrisG is completely right on SNK pissing on their fans whether it be intentional or not. How often does SNK defer to Max over their actual playerbase + data for starters? In fact when the Andy patch does come, how many needed changes are they going to do to the game that gives it a fresh juice of life for even just a little bit longer?
I'm going to guess it's going to be just strictly balance changes and nothing else, all the while SNK is already working on some other project and they'll abandon CotW almost as quickly when they see the chance to.
>>528085914>But they need better designers, because the people currently there are gonna give us more Shun'eis and Preechas.They DO have good designers, what they have are awful DECISION makers, and presumably extremely shitty tastes.
Or its possible nobody is fucking saying no to designs like Shun'ei and Preecha, and they're just letting them through.
>>528085914>maybe SNK should try new IPsnot necessarily no
guilty gear is an old ip that refashioned itself with some new characters that got people interested and re-introductions of old ones such as bridget
and look how big of a meme that one pose became
a new ip is not going to suddenly change the wind's direction of snk unless it's an outstanding product that actually does shatter expectations and not in the negative sense (and it looks great)
it's impossible for snk's current staff
either they need to level up their skills in their respective fields whether it comes to programming or 3d modeling or even ideas and designs, or they need to just lay off all their workers and become a licensing company and let real professionals work their magic
and yeah, they do need better decision makers, because samsho especially demonstrated their stupidity in that regard and it hasn't improved much, but it's just another entry in the list of problems over there
Seriously think Dong is slept on.
>>528087141But does he have a good matchup against Kain or Billy? Because if he doesn't that explains it.
Hi, I'm an employee from SNK, and in our relentless pursuit to make the first game to sell zero copies, we've remade The Last Blade for VR. You might have some questions.
Isn't the speed of The Last Blade at odds with virtual reality?
Yes
Isn't Hibiki, the most famous character from the Last Blade series in the second one?
She will be available as a $9.99 DLC at launch.
Samurai Showdown already has 3D assets and a slower pace. Why did you decide to go with the last blade instead?
Just like with our Mark of the Wolves sequel, City of the wolves, we believe in uplifting older IP for a new generation. Regarding Samurai Showdown, we currently have a MOBA in the works for mobile.
>>528087881oh i just love the idea of vr https://files.catbox.moe/qy2pcd.webm
>>528087141Dong is just worse Hokutomaru because he can actually be punished on block sometimes
>>528087881when are you guys releasing the buriki one racing game
>>528084039SNK post KOF2000 is a completely different company, and SNK after KOFXIII is an even more different entity. During the development of XIV and XV they didn't really aim to light the world in fire like they've tried to do with COTW. Both games sold well for their budget.
>>528087881>in our relentless pursuit to make the first game to sell zero copiesYou don't need to do all that Art of fighting will do the job just fine.
>>528086740Should they bring back another IP that hasn't been touched in over a decade like Last Blade, World Heroes, or Fu'un?
>>528090751They need to fix their management and decision making first before daring to bring anything back.
>Last Blade, World Heroes, or Fu'un?CotW already showed that their fighting games outside of KOF, and SamSho are dead ends.
>>528090886nigga all their fighting games are dead ends if they keep the same people working under them. i'm convinced you could give them a new street fighter to make and they'll fuck it up somehow
https://youtu.be/MV4QoPjU_Ms
Chadton at it again.
>>528073361Atlus was acquired by Sega, so right now their main RPGs are SMT, Persona and LAD Infinite Wealth.
>>528073613Final Fantasy and DQ are still being made, and suikoden 1 remastered was just announced. Also, Wild Arms has a spiritual successor being crowdfunded.
>>528076002Terry who? That Street Fighter 6 guy?
>>528095062>Final FantasyTotal sinking ship franchise now, killed by Square Enix incompetence/mismanagement hey wait doesn't this sound familiar?
>DQThis is extremely tentative but DQXII has a real chance of being really polarizing and once again
>>>Square EnixEverything I've shat on SNK for, it's also eerily close to how much shit I'll give Square Enix for other reasons
>>528094289>Everything fucking jugglesAccurate complaints about SNK making their games into retarded combofests with no sense of nuance
Jesus christ this piece of shit cannot hit fucking anyone with a half a braincell. Why the fuck does this whiff on crouch.
>>528095965>Why the fuck does this whiff on crouch.Do you want more games to be like SF6 where st.hp's hit crouchers and they're often the best pokes for characters???
Why is this the one thing you hate?
>>528096060How many other characters have to deal with their primary post feint tool whiffing completely even after a successful hit? It fucking sucks when Terry's entire pressure sequence is always 100% the same because doing anything other than cC Feint or cC 6C Feint means you either get nothing or die because you're now -30 in someone's face.
>>528072782> unbalanced gameplay Ah, yet another contradiction: the game is both too "unbalanced" and too homogenized/samey
>>528097273It can be both. Every character functionally plays the same, with a handful being able to do that much easier than others. Every character just mashes out their close heavies into feints and brakes until they get any kind of hit, then just repeat the same 3 or 4 rev moves in the same order 3 times a round.
>>528097273unbalanced and homogenized/samey is the fucking running MO for most of KOF's history, how the fuck can you say this is a contradiction when this company has been shitting out KOFs with this exact problem for over 20 years now.
>>528095965Not the first character in a fighting game who has a long poke that whiffs on crouching. It's there to let different characters have different weaknesses. They just forgot about doing it with characters like Kain
>>528097273If you want a shoto, you pick Hotaru, because she outclasses all other similar characters. I do like that different gameplans like runaway with Hokutomaru are viable here, that's at least better than sf6. But a big part of the cast is disputing the same design space as Hotaru and losing, Andy will be another victim if there's no patch. Also, I like combo systems like this and sf6 where you need to think a little bit about meter spending and building with more than 1 meter, but the way they did it makes combos boring to lab as everyone combos the same way for the most part.
Why is nuSNK afraid of conflict in their stories?
>>528104991they want to appeal to the tranny community
>>528104991for the same reason Capcom and ArcSys are
>>528081382Tekken 8 never had online problems....
imagine if they make a conflictless art of fighting lmaooo
>>528106559Nothing out of the ordinary. SF6 has no conflict outside of Ken being mad at JP and no real villain outside of JP either. Strive has literally no conflict, it was just everyone vs Happy Chaos and I-No, but neither at the end of the story can be considered villains and characters have no reason to fight each other since a some of them don't even like fighting and there is no martial arts tournament or anything. I didn't play Granblue but people tell me everyone is friends with everyone there too. I didn't play Tekken 8 either but I know Jin was forgiven for starting world war 3 and most of the cast didn't do anything, I guess it's still better than the others here. MK has real conflict, but they have a multiverse and time travel, characters love or hate each other depending on which versions of themselves they are.
Do you think having community events would help?
>>528113471isnt tns region free
>>528114780Sajam Slam is where he gets a bunch of ecelebs and vtubers to learn the game, coached by pros. It would 100% help a ton as from what I understand events like that are one of the reasons SF got so big in Japan in the first place. I think Jiyuna talked about it. But it's not something you can do near launch I think. SFV did it near the end in Japan and SF6 got the momentum. But you need the game itself to be in a good state to be showcased, with DLC characters out, being a few balance patches in, the coaches are familiar enough with the game to help etc
I would do alot more content on the SNK youtube channel
Host directs with the devs showcase tournament moments, etc
is buster wolf a big punch or does terry just stop in front of you and shotgun energy blast your ass
>>528116542Are you fucking kidding me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV4QoPjU_Ms
My good friend
>>528095062I know that, but they work independently. SNK too should acquire a jrpg too.
>>528116542well who the hell are they actually going to find the fgc doesn't really give a shit about snk games
>>528104991>>528106471Don't want to stereotype an entire nation but I think it's a Japanese thing. Been noticing it in so many franchises now.
>>527723680 (OP)>>528075536Sesbian Lex
https://youtu.be/YmAc_Qu0E6k?t=545
>>528113471i mean yeah it probably would but the snk community in the west is way too small and there aren't many people outside of it willing to really do the amount of work required for this for pretty much nothing
>>528090751here's the point where i'd agree with you in a new ip, but it wouldn't be a grand one, it'd be a throwaway
make smaller games for steam and video game online stores
give your staff some training through them while they learn how to design and build games
or they can do that with an existing ip
it seasons them up as developers and they should get feedback on how they're doing or it'll filter them if they suck, especially constantly
it's another way to gauge some individual talent as well and find out their trouble areas more clearly
so as i said previously, not necessarily a new ip, but if you have a throwaway idea, you can work on one in this manner
the importance is not to build a new ip tho, it's to build a skill on the job while applying it at the same time and it can make a small amount of money back
and who knows, someone might come up with something really cool that people really enjoy and want more of, and you kind of milk it until it gets big and then you probably think of a way to make a grandiose version if possible (but don't always go for it if it's meant to be small)
but as
>>528090886 is also saying, their decision making skills up top is really bad too, like they have no self awareness, no ability to read the room, it's like spiderman in these TOTALLY REAL comics that weren't edited or anything
on the other hand, right now i would not trust snk to make big projects UNTIL their developers have dramatically leveled up their skills
>>528135756Real european (not north african, arab living in EU) here.
What did SNK in Europe the last 30 years?. Nothing.
The old millenials who grew up in arcades are totally uninterested in fighting games or left vidya altogehter. Younger people don't know what is Fatal Fury.
>>528135756the things chris g says in that post almost echo things i've said about snk in general
>>528137849They have no fans but chinese and south americans, yet they put all their money on marketing it to americans, they even listened to american youtubers like doodfag. Meanwhile chinese are becoming the main buyers in steam, wukong sold 10s of millions in china alone. Itโs a company that has nothing to offer and completely clueless, theyvwere saved once because the Playmore chinese guys were fans if them, and again the saudi prince bought them because he used to be a fan. Maybe they should just be left to die finally.
I honestly don't see SNK surviving
>>528143661You'll be saying the same thing in 10 years
>>528140646Once again nobody cares about what you have to say because you're very obnoxious and schizophrenic about your complaints. You don't have to "hey guys i said this before!" us everytime.
>>528116061Nobody cares about tournament moments. They need to do directs where they communicate their games' information better though.
>The most positive attention and discussion SNK gets now is their character in another company's game
LMAO this company is pathetic. Probably made more profit from royalties with Mai being in SF6 than they have with COTW.
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Holy kino
I'm gonna go up to this FreightTrain dude, tell him SNK need to wake the fuck up and start getting serious again
>>528145050i dont think thats going to be easy for a mostly japanese company to really know how to get world wide appeal without some form of western branch it really just seems like everything they do is some shot in the dark thats always off target and yeah while i know western branches tend to be shit and full of people who rather shove in whatever weird ideology in a game than give the fans what the want but the japanese never fix anything until it's far too late for it to matter
>>528116542Yeah we're fucked
Virtua Fighter has these VF Directs. Tekken has Tekken talks
SNK should try do it
>>528116887He punches then shotgun blasts
>>528116542Who and context?
>>528150445new CM that's replacing that lazy bum KK. this is from either the fatal fury or snk discord
Must be nice working for SNK kek
Kyo? The most popular KOF character
Terry? Irrelevant boomer fantasy
Oda? Crying and punching the air right now
Fatal Fury? Dead
KOF? Won
Why are people cooming, crying, and shitting over Marvel Tokon in euphoria even though it's a 4v4 game? Having to play 3 characters in KOF is too much, but somehow 4 is not a problem? In-fact, I haven't heard any kind of complaints about having to play more than 1 character for any of the team games coming out next year. Not even 2XKO which is now trendy to shit on. I wish negros were just honest and say that they think KOF games are ugly, cheap, and not that fun instead of making excuses that they immediately reveal doesn't actually matter to them. Also that SNK isn't paying them enough to be excited.
>>528152187The tag system in Tokon is more similar to Skullgirls than KOF. You can only blame SNK for keep repeating the same old and tired 98/2002 style instead of trying to evolve the KOF franchise into something more mainstream
I'm new but the thing I hate when I was playing KOF 15 is not being able to select 3 characters to go into training mode with.
So I have to keep going back to Member selection each time.
>>528152698Active tag + assists is harder than traditional 3v3
>>528157395Well that's like, your opinion. Not how the casual audience sees it though. The announcement trailer already made clear you only need to master 1 character to be good in the game.
Ken and Chun-Li won't reach these numbers
>>528157395It's way easier for the average person to mash buttons and see cool stuff happening in Dragon Ball FighterZ and even MvC3 compared to KOF15.
>>528160049So this is just a repeat of the first time snk and capcom crossed over. Where capcom reaps all the benefits while snk gets no success out of the deal.
>>528160717>Where capcom reaps all the benefits while snk gets no success out of the deal.Well Capcom made 2 whole big arcade crossovers with the deal while SNK made an small game exclusive to a portable no one outside of Japan owned and years after that made a depressing kusoge where all the characters are stuck in purgatory.
>>528160717Maybe they would actually find some success if they started make non-mediocre products. I know you guys like to pretend these things happen to SNK out of nowhere and in a vacuum, but their failures are 99% a result of their own actions.
>>528161705For real, how the fuck you have a deal with Capcom and the best you can do is... SVC Chaos? lmao
>>528161259As charming as the pocket's graphics were, the screwed up not making the first game on the neo geo, they even said they made sprites for Ryu and Ken in their free time when making kof 98.
So it looks like manga "THE KING OF FANTASY ๅ
ซ็ฅๅบตใฎ็ฐไธ็็กๅ ๆใ่ฆใใใณๆใๅบใ!" finished years ago after 6 volumes.
It's a good concept. Maybe something to use in future games.
or maybe just do Granblue Fantasy guest character Iori LMAO
30 years old today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8kD3hlkPVk
>>528161815Or a beggining.
But Capcom is closed to be bought by the oil man.
>>528149975>i dont think thats going to be easy for a mostly japanese company to really know how to get world wide appeal without some form of western branchIt's ok, all they have to do is look at the best selling fighting games and copy what they're doing. So MK11 brought back the new generation kombat kids characters, and invested in the likeness of real world actors like Stallone, got Ronda Rousey to voice Sonya, and even had real life dj in the game as a skin for Sub-Zero. I believe if SNK does the exact same thing they can succeed. Bring back the new generation Garou cast and get real life celebrities in the game, worked for NRS, should work even better for SNK, right? At least I like to think that this is what goes through their minds.
We've talked about the same topic to death.
It's time to move on
>>528163035capcom isnโt that dumb
But really though, how can SNK keep making their shit the way they do, and genuinely somehow believed it deserved to be shilled like some huge AAA product? COTW has absolutely nothing for it besides the gameplay being a bit fun(yet still fucky in many aspects). Outside of that, there's literally NOTHING it has over other Fighting Games. And non Fighting-Games too for that matter. There's nothing like costumes, jackshit for unlockables that actually has value, the single-player mode is mediocre, low-effort, and repetitive, and more. The game doesn't even have shit as simple as a Wifi-indicator, and a fucking random-stage select option. Genuinely want to know, what the fuck goes through the heads of the people at SNK now? How could they put out something so barebones in every which way, and market it the way they did? There needs to be some kind of documentary on them. Just some way to know and understand their through-process.
In some respects, JD/GC in CotW is easier than in MotW:
* You can immediately JD after leaving regular blockstun (in MotW you cannot JD for 4F after regular blockstun)
* If you are put into a tight blockstring (maybe light chains), you can HD and then do JDs and GC when you want.
* the 7 direction does not count as part of the JD window (i.e., you can hold the up-back direction as long as you want before going to 4 or 1 to air JD)
Other aspects in CotW are a bit of a nerf:
* Existence of Wild Punish makes buffering JD/GC after normals more riskier.
* Can't keep the buffered next air JD's after exiting air JD blockstun.
* Can't IAJD immediately at the 1st airborne frame as in MotW (Technically the soonest you could air JD is the 2nd airborne frame. You're forced to hold an up direction longer in order to get the full jump input needed to air JD.)
I think you need to use google search or visit the last threads.
You'll find the answer there
>Need to be broken in half and made unplayable for their release crimes
Kain
Hokutomaru
Marco
>Need to be regular nerfed to stop the already desperate homogenization of big event top 8
Billy
Hotaru
>Need buffs but only if BEEEEEAK is completely dumpstered
Faggot Mask
This game cannot survive a full year without it
can't wait to experience new community management
only sf6 can save cotw, chun-li and ken could bring the playerbase of sf6 to try cotw especially with sf6 being stale right now
>>528181893a real question
why would they play this game instead of just play sf6 where they're already playing and they probably would rather play sf6 to begin with
>>528186069that'll last all of 5 minutes
Unless the game goes on sale by then
>>528188159i'll just let the numbers do the talking
>>528183947>they probably would rather play sf6 to begin withNobody with more than 50 hours in SF6 would think this.
>>528189534yeah just hold their beers
Surprised they didn't try put Fatal Fury on Nintendo Switch 2....
gonna wait for a later moment when people keep saying, yet again, "UHhhUh whY theY STiLl play sFtransDIX wheEn theY SaY thEy dont LikE iT" while the steamcharts poster lmaos at their lives
>>528189904They went all in on esports (PS5) faggotry because Evo and EWC are owned by Sony and Qiddiya Gaming (Saudi Arabia). All they thought about was cross promoting to American Max viewers instead of having a good price, attractive characters, lots of costumes, balance patches, etc. that boost sales and goodwill.
>>528190464but there's a steam version
>>528189904they probably wanted to avoid the sf6 port and get s1 on the cartridge
>>528168337As a boomer who grew up playing Fatal Fury, who watched the OVAs back then, and who lives in a country where SNK is popular, I'm legit surprised at how people have been treating the franchise as if it was less known than Under Night In-Birth, despite SNK's efforts to put Terry and Mai in everything throughout the years to build awareness. That is me, I imagine Oda and friends were in an even bigger bubble where this would have been their SF4 style franchise revival. However this point:
>the single-player mode is mediocre, low-effort, and repetitive, and more.I played SF6's World Tour and I can tell you it's just as bad if not worse.
If we lived in a different world, If I were in SNK shoes, I would've entered the 3D fighting game space.
Given how shit Tekken 8 is atm.
>>528193332Time for Buriki One Two!
>>528192972Single player content in fighting games have been dogshit for a while.
I don't think any game devs have done a good job lately
>>528189904SF6 literally sold like 5k max at release week in fucking Japan of all places, imagine how much worse would COTW have done
>>528150419SNK doesn't know how to communicate and they have nothing to present in a direct
>>528193720(More)Aggressors of Dark Kombat
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Training mode update is coming alongside Andy.
>>528225270Glad they're putting in "Startup".
Always thought it odd to put the "Impact Frame" in training mode, because the impact frame could be a later active frame anyway.
honestly you guys could have ruled the world by making a f2p fighting game with gacha rolls for costumes and OP stat power-ups for memey unranked modes, your audience is exclusively brownoids who live for that shit
>>528229297>with gacha rolls for costumesit takes them forever to make costumes so that'd never work out
plus their modeling style is ugly
>>528229297my boi is white tho
>>528229297DOA should have become that but they chased esports money and censored everything
Yes I know about the volleyball gacha but they should have made a fighting game coomer gacha
>>52823106399% of the fans of the gacha do not want to play a fighting game, they just want to jack it to pretty ladies doing girly things for them and wearing sexy clothes
and that makes more money than what a fighting game would produce
and unlike snk, the people over there actually appreciate making money instead of burning it at dimeless tournaments
>>528225270>Even more features are planned in the future! what else could they mean?
>>528237950>what else could they mean?Going off of SF6 and Tekken you could have
-A frame data bar at the bottom of the screen
-Reversal recording that you can also delay by a certain amount of frames
-Being able to select reversals instead of recording them
-More recording and save state slots
-Other things such as punish training modes and more combo trials
>>528239419>-A frame data bar at the bottom of the screenThey can't have that one because Capcom patented it:
https://x.com/yauichi_anji/status/1926959836589096990
>>528229297That won't work because now people will think it's gonna be filled with MTX and pay to win shit. And gacha mechanics isn't well liked.
>>528229831If I remember correctly, they can't make outfits for the characters because of how they modeled them, so they have to create a whole new character just for that costume. This was the case for KoFXV Terry's CotW outfit and all the other alternate outfits like the CYS orochi versions.
>>528237950 Hopefully this means they'll add more contents to EoST or finally give what everyone was asking like a wifi indicator, save/load state button shortcut in training, a stage select in online, voice chat in rank and fix the laggy menu.
>>528239743>If I remember correctly, they can't make outfits for the characters because of how they modeled them>in 2025this company needs to fucking die
>>528239968but enough about arcsys
>>528240026granblue buddy
>>528239743>voice chat in rankThey would never do that lol
>>528239743>If I remember correctly, they can't make outfits for the characters because of how they modeled themwouldn't be surprised
don't they know you always model the base (nude) and then model clothes on top of them and then cut away the parts under the clothes to avoid too many potential clipping issues
Colour edit has been a massive success
>>528243823The way theyre modeling their characters haven't change since kofxiv, that's why their models looks so bad and impossible to add alternate outfits.In almost 10 years there is very little improvements, just shows they have a very weak work ethics and they don't seem that passionate
>>528251848y-yeah, w-well um....sf6 sucks!!! got'em!!
>>528249990it's just tradition at this point for snk devs to come around their asses to get to their elbows
This game needs more females man
I gotta wait until Winter for Chun Li....fuck
>become new ceo of snk
>enter general employee workspace area
>see employee doing amateur level work
>show him easier way of doing his job
>>528255471yeah dude we got like uh... 1?
hotaru and oh, mai exists yeah so 2
then there we have a pair of troons that of course dont count and then some real sausage fest lmao gayass "game"...
the role of jenet is played by brittney griner
>>528256076Mai doesn't even count, lets just be honest.
She's nonexistent.
>>528255471I sneed more functions
>>528256296snkfags believe this is an attractive, realistic woman
>>528189904>>528201936Yeah supposedly many third party titles are selling terribly on Switch 2 currently, so it wouldn't have mattered.
SNK has always struggled with Fatal Fury since many of it's more experimental aspects (like the lane system) never reached their full potential and most of the time seemingly played worse than traditional 2D fighting games. The thing is, SNK removing these experimental aspects slowly over the time also made the identity of Fatal Fury less unique and not able to stand out as much from the crowd. I feel had SNK tried to bring back Fatal Fury's more unique aspects to the forefront, like the lanes and ring outs, it may have been able to make itself stand out from the crowd in the current environment. Right now, just being a polished 2D fighter just makes consumers go "why wouldn't I just play Street Fighter?"
In a weird way abandoning the weird Fatal Fury mechanics may not have been a good thing in the long run.
Man I miss the sprite era. These stages are beautiful https://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/garou-p4-3.html
>>528263169I think they were retarded to not have made any more FF for a long time after Garou, which was a success. If there had been at least a Garou 2 that was similarly liked, this would be a revival that people give a shit about.
This game compared to COTW's situation..
>>528239419>more combo trialsNot gonna happen, thanks to youtubers memeing how elitist (read: challenging) and gatekeeping (read: not for the lazy) KoF 13 trials are.
>>528192972Because other boomers who were around, gave up talking about fighting games online. I was also there in the 90s golden era. Every fighting game fan knew about Fatal Fury and had played it or bought it at some point. There was way less tribalism. All the fighting games were basically under the "Japanese Fighting game" umbrella. And games like Mortal Kombat were seen as Westernized fighters, which people still played as well.
>>528149975You guys make it sound like SNK are putting out these AAA games that fail simply because they're Japanese. We all know that isn't the case. I love CotW, but their games aren't good enough. End of story.
>>528263169>In a weird way abandoning the weird Fatal Fury mechanics may not have been a good thing in the long run.it has a lane stage
it's just that the rest of the stuff, the rev stuff, is there too
they could have a classic mode or two depending on if they'd have it like ffs or rbs with no super flash/pause but also higher damaging DMs and doable at low life
blazblue got more love than kof even in america so it isn't a japanesey thing
>>528266816They are a decade too late to release a sequel. The perfect time period to have had released a sequel to Motw would have been between 2005 to 2010. If I remember correctly, they re-released motw for the ps2 in 2005. So having cotw re released and then having cotw within a year could have given the series a good revival.
>>528094289Calls out Max helping to sabotage the game, at the end.
>>528168337>avatarfagging as frmale baylithDisgusting tranny, YWNBAW
>>528271557>between 2005 to 2010Agree, but it would've looked worse than KoF XIV. The main problem is SNK's graphics department.
>>528193720Actually it would work, because the Buriki guy looks like Sakuragi from Slam Dunk. But the game relies on directional movement, something the casual audience will never play.
>>528094289same conversations, different game, snk just repeating its mistakes with ex moves just being a combo tool rather than something specialized, THINGS I HAVE ALSO SAID SINCE XIII UH OH I REFERRED TO AN OLD THING I SAID BETTER REACT TO IT AND PRETEND YOU'RE INDIFFERENT TO IT
KOF game every 6 years and you onlu get 3 seasons of support
Makes me fucking mad thinking about it.
>>528094289>when i was a teenager in 1992
>>528273117now look back in the archive to see how snk fags defend that decision in ironic fashion
I noticed people these days are very much into mma, so Buriki might find a market, but you have to completely ditch the directional movements, or do it like sf6 where even modern can beat classic.
>>528273117After cotw flop it will take longer to make kof. They realized fighting games canโt carry them. Expect it till 2030 for a release. Plus cotw released at a time where both sf6 and tekken 8 where old and hated, and it couldnโt even go past 5k peak. Kof will release around a fresh sf7 and tekken 9, maybe even vf6. Unless they speedrun a half assed game.
>>528274384>Unless they speedrun a half assed game.very likely
One anon was telling me KOF16 wouldn't need 2 years to make the game.
I don't believe him
>>528274675>>528274731Old habits die hard, they might do it.
>>528274384>Expect it till 2030 for a releaseLol so basically releasing on PS6
Unreal Engine 5.6 ass game
Cotwโs cast is unappealing because they come from archaic games and were designed to be realistic, meanwhile SF was influenced by anime, so theyโre not outdated to this day. Tekken also was never realistic, you have devil genes, bears, a french princess, alien samurai.. etc. KoFโs most popular characters are the anime ones, from Iori to Kula to Kyo to Angel. KoF greatly took from JoJo and it shows.
>>528275431>arab is some dude with a towel over his headAfter Rashid and Shaheen, Iโm sick of this ugly lazy design that doesnโt appeal to anyone, even arabs themselves I doubt they like it.
the realism of a frail old man turning into a giant body builder
>>528276106>KoF greatly took from JoJo and it shows.Jojo? Ehhhh
I don't see it
>>528278271Wait oh yeah Benimaru looks like that dude from Jojo
You right. Ignore me
SF6 fags getting lame boring Fortnite and we get Faaaast Penguins, a based and soulful collab
sf6 also selling more and being played more and we with our cotw get soulful 10 players and 6k sales
>>528278868If you would get your salesman head out of your ass, we don't care about sales.
COTW is a superior game to SF6 anyway
Gameplay wise
>>528279240>we don't care about saleslol
https://youtu.be/-gCMzqUIw14?si=tgYghXml6DvaLnVT
Fun watch
24 frame rate ass gameplay in that video
Lmfao
>>528279883you don't understand frame rate development
>>528269828They don't need to be AAA to succeed. Look at French Bread's games getting more players than CotW.
>>528283051you're totally right
but for the games they're making, they probably shouldn't halfass them like they do
because it doesn't help them in any fashion
>>528272714> with ex moves just being a combo tool rather than something specialized When we look at the frame data, we see EX moves give more frame advantage. Once again a case of the game's depth being put into playing around delaying, blocking, JD/GCing between blocked moves.
So even outside of being combo extenders, the EX moves are interesting for FGC pros and nerds, but still not appealing to casuals.
>>528271557>a sequel to Motw would have been between 2005 to 2010, they re-released motw for the ps2 in 2005.Because it was on development back in 2006 but it got cancelled for some reason
>>528285094that's just more blockstring tools then, and it really shows you missed what clayton was talking about
>>528285202>Because it was on development back in 2006 but it got cancelled for some reasondepends on how much of it was completed and who they had working for them
and given the time period it was probably shifted to start work in xii and god knows that was an unnecessarily laborious process
they were rightfully told that the visuals for their neogeo era games were heavily dated with the then current tech
ps3 was on its way and here they're still sitting on the neogeo and not even making full use of atomiswave's tech with their still recycled sprites that would make even morrigan blush
>>528285278that's true, because i didn't watch the video yet, LOL
>>528286191well okay but i'll motion to giving a couple examples
one is actually from kofxiii on forward and i actually think clayton mentioned it one time as an example, don't remember, but it's one that i use most often anyway so it works out
kyo's koto tsuki you (hcb+k)
normally that's just a dashing snatch move, but it can be blocked
ex move? now it's a close range only command grab as a mixup tool against blocking
but you can still be punished if the opponent called it and neutral hopped into a punish
karin kanzuki in sfv has a move where she jumps forward with a forward swinging palm strike
ex version turns it into a dragon punch style reversal
it can be baited and punished
>>528251848stop linking your posts faggot
>>528283051>Look at French Bread's games getting more players than CotWGod damn you retards just love coming here and spewing out the most random shit
lmao they have to dangle a giant bag of money in front of people to get them to play cotw
and even then it's not #1 on the evo registrant board
kwab
COTW being 3rd on Evo
Which is pretty good
>>528094289The Petz: Nursery 2 game designer can't come up with trickier EX moves than combo/blockstring filler. Please understand
city of the wolves nursery
>>528286608>top image is full of cumrags for people who pretend to love SNK but wouldn't even consider playing them>bottom image is the guy who consistently gets to be one of the most played character by people who DO play and enjoys SNK games
Why you can't buy online in the pop up (snk) stores?
It's frustrating.
Who's your favourite character and why?
There's as much people playing Mai in SF6 right now as there are people who're playing COTW as a whole.
It's weird that Kim has so many characters associated with him.
>his 2 sons
>his master and his master's wife
>his rival
>the 2 criminals he usually has on his team
>random superhero girl
>random maximum impact girl
You could make a full taekwondo fighter just from that. It's more characters associated with him than with the Shiranui or Ikari Warriors I think.
>>528300570This is how SF players must have felt with Chun-Li in Fortnite
Shitposters are getting desperate to discuss things to shit on COTW now.
>leffen being a lying.piece of shit
https://x.com/Herzen__/status/1936346649095270911?t=HXP9LCBhem7Ar676NnAhhA&s=19
>look up hessencrash
>kain vs hotaru
>kain vs hotaru AGAIN
24th better have a patch
>>527771069I buy games to play with friends on a couch.
But also fighting games are hard to get friends to play with. Out of 20 people I know and play games with only 2 are willing and only 1 is of a similar skill.
I could play online, but I don't like playing with randos. So it's a thing I play with a friend sometimes or occasionally play the single player for a while.
>>528300570Just shows that graphics really matter. She has one of the lowest play rate in cotw. But let bootlickers keep saying graphics are alright and muh smear campaign
>>528305273Addition of Terry and Mai proved two things beyond doubt:
1. Many SNKโs design arenโt outdated, but cotwโs graphics doesnโt do them justice
2. Terry flopped even in SF6, proving Kyo is more popular and the true face of SNK
i heard oda got promoted after this? how?
>>528305814>2. Terry flopped even in SF6, proving Kyo is more popular and the true face of SNKTerry is the second most popular male character after akuma
>You can't block and go into RevGuard at the same time
Who the fuck designed this garbage? Is the same dipshit who wants DI to not work while blocking working at SNK now?
If SNK isn't going to force a minimum framerate online then I'm going to flood their report system with cheating reports
Ronaldo might actually be top 2 in this game if anybody actually played him other than embarassing cringelords.
>>528305273>She has one of the lowest play rate in cotwWell that would 98% likely be because she's dogshit in COTW, and there's zero reason to play here over literally anyone else in the game.
Mai's fat fucking ass brapping
>>528310083Imagine the aroma
bigger ass than the one she got in the game
>>528306117Lmao posting an old image, I remember a recent one where Terry was second last
>>528305273She's my favorite character in the game, so I play her. But I'm nobody. Her normals terrible.
Stand LP
>ok, but stubbyStand LK
>whiffs crouchers, only one other good use I'm not sharingStand HK
>far = good range, but leaves you wide open>close = you can only link crouch LP after it, which only links into super or Heavy RyuunbuStand HP
>far = whiffs crouchers>close = her 1st good normalCrouch LP
>broken hitbox that whiffs when it should touchCrouch LK
>fast, but can only link to LP, especially after a jumpCrouch HP
>bad hitbox, very, very stubby compared to other versions of MaiCrouch HK
>sweep = very good, but can't link. You can't sweep cancel into flame super, eg.>command cr.HK = second best normal, but can't do anything after it.
Score is so free against random Kains
>>528311601Aren't you supposed to fish for counterhits on 3D to get stuff off of it? Some buttons aren't meant to be much on normal hit, like Terry's cB.
>>528305906He's good at giving certain bosses his patented ... special message. He uses his mouth for it.
>>528273947This. They defended it. What they like to do is hype up how SNK's gonna win this time, and there'll be all this costumes and extras. And if you doubt that, going off past patterns, you're a shitposter. But then it never happens, SNK drops the game, barely releases anything. And they defend that, too. kek
>>528311319That is during their release
Kain deserves to be nerfed to Tizoc-tier just because Leffen plays him
>>528274384It'll be the same old shit. KoF will look much better than CotW, and will finally catch up to Tekken 8 levels of fidelity, but then SF7 and Tekken 9 will look ever better than that, and the KoF hype will peter out.
Tizoc has such a cool design and he's ass along with Mai
YOU SNKFAGS TELLING ME COTW HAS SUCH A GOOD ROSTER YET THE ROSTER IS ASS AND CHARACTERS ARE ASS.
WASTED 60 BUCKS ON THIS FUCKING GAME. I COULD'VE SPENT IT ON A HOOKER AND LOSE MY VIRGINITY
>>528276106>Cotwโs cast is unappealing because they come from archaic gamesWrong. MotW's cast was just wack. SF is archaic. Tekken is archaic. Pre-MotW FF characters are archaic, and all are still better than the MotW people. They went too generic back with the moves and the designs, and it's still true today. How come Classic Terry is older than MotW and still looks good? Most of the characters just suck, b.
>>528313564..... What country has $60 hookers?
>>528276106>Tekken also was never realistic, you have devil genes, bears, a french princess, alien samuraiFatal Fury cast shoot fireballs and do other supernatural shit. Tekken was seen as more realistic than 2D fighters back in its prime, because of that exact reason. They had comedy characters like bears, and terminators like Jack, but at Tekken's peak (1-3) the main characters were always martial arts based and grounded. Again, most (not all) of the MotW cast is just generic, boring design, man. Kevin is the worst culprit.
>>528312053See that comes down to design and Mai's stubby cr.LP. Y'see, Terry's cr.LK can link into cr.LP, too. But his has more range and therefore can link into more damage. Even if they fixed Mai's cr.LP, her EX > EX > EX meta is fucked, because she is heavily damage scaled, unlike most of the cast. So it's best to not play like that with her anyway.
>>528315650I think people just can't articulate why Tekken is different so they say "realism". To me, games like SF, FF and AoF are all about martial artists who use some sort of energy like ki from DBZ or chakra from Naruto to throw fireballs and display similar powers. Tekken had cyborgs, dinosaurs, aliens, genetic experiments, devils and other things you might see in an unrealistic action movie, but while it does have ki based powers it heavily downplays it. That's part of the reason IMO the SF3 cast is usually considered weird compared to the rest of the series.
>>528317197Traditional games like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury are Anime (Complimentary), Tekken is ANIME (Derogatory)
>>528044370There is a reasonable chance that Leffen wins this tournament.
Was hyper defend into feint always a thing in motw? Its neat
The most powerful siblings in Fatal Fury.
>>528326528>a toddler >someone so autistic he's forcing his eyes closedStep aside chumps, the original BROgards are toppling your undeserved throne next week
Marco can put you into an infinite guess loop by brake DPing because it has no pushback and is practically plus. Does this character have ANY weaknesses?
>>528328006Both of these faggots never felt the warm embrace of their mother. The futaba's strength comes from their yearning of their mother's love.
>>528330501oh boy a pair of losers desperate to have a mommy, just like animes biggest weiner
>>528317869>>528317197heh. Good posts for once. True, too.
would it kill him to act even a little bit excited or at least crack a smile?
The goonbox is everywhere.
You laughted at Xiao Hai two years ago but he won.
>>528334080Come on man, you can't force people to be excited for the Lesser Bogard.
>>528314772probably thailand
>>528312920>going off past patternsand boy, did i
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/341053972/#341539203
>was off by an overshoot of only 4 characters on the launch roster and that was partially because of assuming march was in the picturei was so close to predicting the launch roster size by mere simple calendar fanfic math
there's buckets of old posts here of me shitting on kofxv in this archived thread alone
and i still stand by all of them
>>528334080lmao at the expression. But yeah, told you guys Andy should have a stage. What's the reasoning behind Salvatore having one, but Andy, a fucking Fatal Fury OG, not getting one? And here we go back to SNK being idiotic.
>>528315650Itโs not about power system, or setting or story, you completely missed what I meant. DBZ is more realistic in its character designs than JoJo, when DBZ is literally about aliens and superpowers, why? Because the designs are still influenced by basic martial artists, except the aliens. While JoJo has whacky clothes, and poses, and personalities.
>>528334080His entire interest in anything snk related revolves entirely around self inserting as Rock, and even any excitement in that seems to have run its course.
>>528335962>DBZ is more realistic in its character designs than JoJomore accessible and easily digested by the general public* because it's just guys kicking each others asses with power levels and chiblasts in usually a pretty straight forward fashion, where the trump card is teamwork assistance/interference or MUH FINALER FINAL FORM I FORGOT ABOUT WHEN I SAID THAT LAST TIME, all in a simple recognizable cool cartoon style that people can still dig in public
especially bully victims love vicariously living through dbz
whereas jojo has an acquired taste nature in its style, attributing a lot of its appeal to its fashion and poses and clever less direct methods of defeating an opponent with the counters being "you thought that was clever but *i* outclevered *you*" being daisy chained throughout a conflict, a lot less direct in its asskickery
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGH07w4vJS0
You guys saw that you missed Max right?
>>528336897LETSSSSS GOOOOOO
>>528334080He probably was at all the events where you could play Andy. Hard to get excited by a trailer for a character you already played.
Mexicans getting cooked by gringos in their local ewc qualifier
>>528349939only darkangel69 is good enough to be considered a top player
kof scrubs ar mid at best
>>528349939>>528353515What I'm getting here is that if pros from other games tried KoF the Mexicans wouldn't ever win anything.
>>528357509not really mexihoppers got the gene and if said pros didnt ever make it in kof it was because they lacked it
>>528367954who needs this thread when you have friends and family
>>528369496wtf I really need this thread then
>>528369496need cute tranny gf
>>528317197I think it comes down to how you see the character holistically. A good outfit, cool moves and a personality. SNK used to make characters like that, for example Geese Howard or Iori, who are able to stand the test of time.
NuSNK lost a lot of that sense of style, so characters now just feels too plain and safe.
chizuru learnt this from ingrid
So with the Iran shit that's going on will this have any effect on EWC with the middle east region being a hotzone for conflict?
>>528378627probably
if you're unlucky enough you might even lose your sugar daddy for snk
>>528378770We already secured the funds though.
>>528378848for a supposed 3 years lmao if you're even correct about that and didn't spend it all
and then the layoffs begin and that's all you get
don't know how you would secure the funds tho, that's contributed capital on top of an investment in stocks
>>528378949>for a supposed 3 yearsWrong. The MiSK signing is for a whole decade. The FF budget was decided time ago along with the Athena game, the yet to be decided budgets are the AoF and Samsho. So they better keep some emergency bloodbucks for KOF 16 if they fuck it up again.
listen to me niggas
athena psychohorror game... just steal some bloober team monkeys with dem bloodcoins
>>528381384>Wrong. The MiSK signing is for a whole decade.misk signing? wtf is that? the guy privately owns the company, it's not some kind of term length deal to own snk, it's at his own behest that it lives or dies, and given what the potential market value could have been if snk was still public, lol
>>528381753and who would that sell to
>>528381753>athena psychohorror gameSounds like a good idea.
>>528383508>...We came to an agreement with the MiSK Foundation, considered a 10-year policy and cycle plan, and the plan was approved by the board of directors.Funds secured, at least 4 games confirmed and new IPs to come/be revamped. FF flopped, yeah, but that doesn't hit that hard. Even if it did, the Prince will surely keep the support and, worse case scenario, keep the company at least as a KOF making machine. All seems alright in my books. SNK won.
here's a thing about market strategy and budgeting
you cannot fully predict one year, two years, five years, ten years down the road how much budget you're going to need for that length of time, it's just guessing
your company has a company account and at best, they can do some proper bookkeeping and hope to mitigate lavish and needless expenditure, but that's where your payroll is gonna come from, as well as money set aside for operational and logistic costs such as office leasing/rental, insurance for the company, maintenance, bonuses if they offer them, travel expenses, unpredictable events that cost the company money, potential lawsuits, etc
you cannot tell, just with all these variables alone, that you'll have exactly x amount of money necessary to budget for some years down the road
you can overshoot your expected expenses but you don't know what might happen down the road for sure, like price increases, someone might demand a raise or he/she leaves, a ceo gets fired and another candidate won't fill in that spot unless you offer more than what that last ceo got because this candidate for sure is a lot smarter about running a business, etc etc
your other best bet is that if you drain your company's account really fast, that your oil prince charming and his company are willing to put more money into that account if and when the company account is down to pennies because you made so many stupid decisions to spend money in stupid ways such as tournament pots for the five remaining players
you're also counting on revenue to replenish that account
funds not entirely secured
>>528385009>yeah, he's in prison and forced to eat slop for 25 years, but at least it's guaranteed 3 Slops and a Cot! He's not on death row. He won!
>>528385075here's another thing, if your precious blood money prince just happens to be victim to a random iranian strike, now they have to replace him and whoever replaces him might see snk as a deadweight company
and there's different endgames that can happen depending on how misk wants to operate on it
either way, the employees of that company would potentially get sent out on the streets looking for a new job
this is not me just saying "you don't understand business development" i'm giving you a literal thumbnail overview of how one in like an llc for instance in general does work
your company can potentially get liquidated and have its assets sold off to someone like capcom or arcsys, and then the irony of that will fail to hit you because you'll flipflop
and furthermore, just so you know, if a company has nothing left to pay its employees, they are gone, you can't make them work free, that's in violation of the japan lsa which can really incur some hefty penalties
sell the ips to capcom already
they might know how to make btrannet look like a woman in the re engine
i wonder who comes out to do building maintenance/upkeep at snk, the employees inhouse or some contractors
and if that's not controlled through either the landlord of the property or through snk, but i imagine the expenses would still come out of snk's pocket either way, even if part of the lease agreement payment plan
>>528078161>This general is absolute dog shit. I don't blame people for leavingThis place killed my interest in fighting games. I'm only taking a peek because Andy's release is just around the corner and I was hoping some interesting discussion would invigorate my interest. But no, this shithole is still cancer. Regarding this thread specifically, it appears to be a particular bad one this time. You know it ain't going to get better. Leaving this place for lengthy periods of time does a load of good for the mind.
>>528079942>We can host lobbies here.I don't want to play with any of the cancer that resides here.
>>528385009You're deluded lmfao
you're free to go to your hugbox then
but remember, this is exactly what you asked for
>>528387586Just fuck off to reddit or discord then.
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>>528387968>Just fuck off to reddit or discord thenYou're all the same doomer crowd. The FGC is infested with this cancer, so there's no point spending time in these places anymore. The worst part about today's fighting games is its community.
>>528388550and yet you're here with us anyway
give kevin a real anti-air holy fuck
>mexico qualifier
>gfs is peru vs usa
cringe
>>528392337maybe the mexicans don't have the gene
>>528392480ff doesnt feel like the average mexihopper game, it requires actual fundies to carry you through
thegio's style is ridiculous, he literally translated isla's gameplan to hokutomaru
i kinda like his spaghetti yuri tho, overall a based player in my book
>>528302489After the Melee/Hax situation no one should be listening to Leffen on anything. He's been unlikable for decades and will continue to be so.
>>528305814Terry is ugly as fuck in SF6. Capcom ruined him.
>>528336897"I haven't played this game for so long, dude I miss it. I legit miss it. Too much stuff happened over the last couple months."
>>528399606>"I haven't played this game for so long, dude I miss it. I legit miss it. Too much stuff happened over the last couple months.">goes to play elden ring 2 electric boogaloo instead
>>528399606>"I haven't played this game for so long, dude"It just fucking came out kek
>"I miss it. I legit miss it."It hasn't gone anywhere. Nobody took or deleted his copy.
>"Too much stuff happened over the last couple months."ie: it's not good enough to compete.
Same guy says cotw rock is the best rock's ever been, but says it's the worst rock in the next breath.
>>528392337kof onlys have bad fundamentals. all that jumping gets hardwired into them.
>>528078161>>528387586You faggots helped the game flop with all your blindfolded slobbering of SNK's dumbass decisions.
>>528078815>From what Capcom and NRS devs have said in interviews it takes almost 2 years to develop a character from zeroThat's Capcom and NRS, not SNK. It took NRS 4 years to go from MK9 to MKX in the same gen. These devs do not all work in the same way or speed.
>>528084039Gotta agree with this. KOF 15 flopped, just off the standards of series legacy alone. It was one of the biggest games in arcades at one point. It should not just scraping by. If it is, especially on their second big try after a reboot, that's a fucking flop.
And there's no meat to the game whatsoever. It feels like if cheap ass Eolith made a 2.5D game, not like a real SNK game. The real SNK took presentation seriously. These nu clowns throw things together for no reason. What the fuck is the Five Nights at Freddy's stage for? The Devil May Cry 1-style Paris stage for? That's not even talking about the removed modes from the previous game and the shitty post Season 1 DLC. That's not even mentioning the meta.
>>528404092I can never throw Eolith under the bus like that. If only for making Chaos Breaker (Dark Awake), that DnD-style fantasy fighting game.
>>528085419You clearly weren't old enough to be there. People were still ragging on pure 2D fighting games at that time. KOF XIII was not gonna be popular. I'd even say that still exists now for fighting games. The way things are, no 2D fighter, as in using characters that are completely flat, is ever going to be popular again.
While SNK were just releasing a game to beat SF3's sprites (10 years after the fact, btw), Capcom were coming back with a 2.5D game that took everyone's attention just the year before XIII dropped. It made XIII look old to most people.
Nobody gave a fuck about KoF XIII. Even the biggest, slimiest SNK shill on the internet, Nabil, didn't give a fuck about it. You can go back and check. It's a meme game, just like "gao-row"
>>528385990>Sell off to Capcom>Capcom JUST shat out DD2 last year, and Monster Hunter Wilds this year>Both were rushed out to meet their quarterly reportingsRethink your fucking line of thinking with Capcom's recent blunders
>But they both actually soldHow long is Capcom going to continue having good sales with the way they do things?
No I'm not defending SNK at all, but you're not fucking seriously suggesting for one giga retarded company to sell off anything to another retarded company who's been bleeding out their biggest/most prominent talent names in the past 5 years right?
>BUT MAI LOOKS GREATWHO CARES JUST CAUSE YOU PUT TITS ON A SF6 FUNCTION DOESN'T FUCKING CHANGE THE AWFUL ETHOS OF THE COMPANY ITSELF. THIS ALSO GOES FOR SNK AS WELL.
Might I remind you that Itsuno left last year?
>>528404092>KOF 15 flopped,No it didn't.
more reviewers than cotw copies sold kek
Glad SNK are adding some QoL changes with Andy's patch tomorrow. Looks like they're listening to the feedback provided in the surveys. We just need significant balance changes and cotw will be in a good place.
balance changes aka switch up which character ends up in mirror gf instead
hey how many online players are in cotw right now
just asking for an enemy
Saudi marketers saw CotW as a "fighting sports" game for normies.
FGC sees CotW as a poker/chess/go competitive game (i.e., like any other FG) for FG nerds that want to lab all the time.
Casual video game audience sees CotW as an uninteresting mobile game.
Surprised the game hasn't gone on sale yet.
Hotaru is pretty fun still despite the nerfs.
>>528407834I hope the Andy patch comes with a sale instead of them waiting to be drowned out in the steam summer sale
Why is this game played on ft2 lmao, every combo does at least 30% in midscreen, this match lasted less than 2 minutes.
I'm glad people in casuls are willing to run the set. Whether its ft5 or ft10. Honestly think the amount of players on ranked and casuals is about even too. I hardly have to wait in either queue for a match.
>>528415108>after 1.1.7subtle gato downplaying
>>528300593You forgot about Chonshuu, Alice and Poland.
>>528420724Forget about Kyo and Terry. Kim has secretly been the protagonist all along.
Is Evo 2025 not a qualifier for CotW SWC and EWC?
>>528385990>sell the ips to capcom alreadyThey'd make the game even worse, and it would probably flop, then be shelved forever like Darkstalkers. SNK IPs have only two chances of survival. Nu SNK in current state, or MBS enticing back the old SNK employees who are at Capcom and DIMPs
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https://liquipedia.net/fighters/SNK_World_Championship/2025/Finals/CotW
https://liquipedia.net/fighters/SNK_Championship_Series/2025/Beijing/CotW
Are they doing regional qualifiers for this thing like Capcom does for SF6? Or more tournament qualifiers? Right now there are 8 people qualified and 4 more from the Bejing tournament putting the total to 12 players. I can't imagine SWC will be a 12 person tournament?
I don't get this whole "Look at what happened with COTW will show how VF6 will perform"
Fair enough fighting game players don't switch to other games and are stubborn but COTW offers fucking nothing on the table except good gameplay.
>>528429681>offers nothingBut the millions of dollars in tournament winnings?
It does not, in fact, offer good gameplay.
>>528436276When your alternatives are sf6, strive and granblue, it kinda does
>>528295997Youโre gonna get made fun of, anon.
Just learned how to input a macro in winkawaks.
I am happy.
I can now do those autistically schizo combos, kek.
Witch version of Samurai Showdown 5 should I play, Perfect or Special?
Is Kain the best character in the game since he dodged nerfs while the other top tiers didn't?
>>528445705you'd think so, but then everyone picked billy
>>528445586Special is the most popular and arguably the best game in the series.
>>528445586Just realized I spelled which wrong, but thanks
>>528435902unless i'm getting that money idc, it serves me not
and that well will run dry eventually and people will stop playing just like when there's no more mai t-shirts
>>528429681>the game offers nothing, but fun!What a travesty.
>>528454590he said good gameplay, not fun
since not a lot of people in the world find the game fun enough to purchase let alone play
As much as people here have complained about having to use OS's or to deal with the opponent's OS's in CotW, they are not as strong as in MotW.
In MotW, the large buffer windows and single-button proximity throws made JD/GC OS's much more powerful and annoying to deal with.
So all the ECW spots are full? How many spots are left for SWC?
Not touching the game unless Ken or Chun are good. SHORYUKEN
>>528458018I hope they're both dumpster tier so you fucking turds stay in slime shitter dicks
>>528458452Bro relax I don't play SF6 or any fighting game right now. I just shitpost and jerk it.
>>528458452>so you fucking turds stay in slime shitter dicksdon't worry about that
most people will do that anyway
6k sales
I hope the modern PC/PS5 port of KOF 11 releases in 2026 so it can join the rest of the tag games rush.
>>528460640>mfw SNK made more money on Terry DLC sales in SF6 than all of the sales of COTW
This Boomer here is easy to please:
At the end of the day, we're getting Garou 2 with at least 22 characters, a decent training mode, lobbies, and rollback netcode.
Happy we finally get a pair of brother games together -- MOW and COW.
>>528468510It is kinda nice, even if it wasn't a smash hit. And hey, SNK is improving the training mode when Andy drops so that's a net bonus!
>>528468925our other three players will surely make good use of it!!
>>528468510>>528468925Wouldn't you want a new Garou to be treated with more respect and more effort? Instead of wasting the money on marketing they could've put it in the game and have it be a much more ambitious comeback
>>528469905Buddy I never in a hundred years expected them to treat Garou with ANY respect, as far as I was concerned the Fatal Fury franchise was long dead. This game despite the many flaws in it's marketing is more than I ever expected to get in my lifetime.
Patch notes are up.
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/games/fatalfury-cotw/img/main/patch_1.2.0.pdf
>>528473967is cain finally dead
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Futbol fags, what are these colors a reference to.
>>528475481>sporting>juventus>real madrid>manchester u>sandnigger fcthose are all the teams hes been into during his carreer
nice addition huh now if only the game wasnt globally hated...
>>528474602Is he even nerfed? His DP is a little worse?
>>528474602No balance patch, seems like they're waiting for EWC
>>528474602No, they actually reduced his charge time in combos by 15F to make them impossible to drop. So it's a buff.
whyyy
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>kain got buffed
old fighter that hates to deal with wake up options here
why should I play your game? the just guard burrito os seems like bullshit to a classic player like me, not to mention the existence of that green slime thing
>>528479030what do you mean...you hate reacting to wake up options? or you hate dealing with an opponents wake up?
ah who gives a shit if you were a real old head you'd be playing already
>>528480069>reactingguard cancel dps stuffing my healthy staggers ain't reactable at all
did I get oki? I deseve at least a meaty
you wanna wake up dp? sure, take the risk, just don't come doing some riskless parry-like bs man c'mon
>you'd be playing alreadyI'm willing to do so, but 60 bucks for a 2-digits player count fg doesn't sound any good
>>528480731No one is doing the correct OS perfectly every time, it's too difficult. Even people who can possibly win $1.5 million are still relying on basic shit like delay tech and getting baited sometimes.
Every GC OS has a weakness such as delay button or just doing nothing. There is no bullet proof OS because you can't input your GC DP motion and react to the graphic/sound, the window is too small.
Green slime thing is annoying but loses to tick throw and short short super 100% of the time.
>>528480731>I'm willing to do so, but 60 bucks for a 2-digits player count fg doesn't sound any goodi was playing all day earlier and got matches within 15 seconds every time. also its 3 digits plus theres cross play.
Does this mean that every time Ronaldo gets into a new team they're gonna start working on new textures?
>>528479030Sorry to break it to you.
Although not to the extent as MotW, in CotW okizeme is just not as strong as in other games (due to throw invincibility on wakeup, JD/GC, and invincible reversals).
Not saying that the one waking up has the advantage, but the attacker has more to consider than in other games.
>Still forcing Ronaldo when literally no-one likes him nor plays him
>Zero balance changes so more 3+ Hokutos and Kains in top 8s for the next 2 months at the minimum
Actually just fully wishing for SNK's downfall now.
>>528486125they should at least buff hotaru
billy representation is going to the top
>>527883370>Ronaldo is the MOST popular man right now. with over 500m followersYeah, and not a single one would ever play a fighting game other than MK lol
>>528455727Good gameplay is fun.
>>528473967SNK are absolutely terrified that if they balance the top tiers, the pros will drop the game.
>>528486125We told ya what they're like and why they're in this position.
now that we've seen snk has no future let's think about what can mbs do about this
SNK only does things if Max Dood tells them to.
>>528493331Even if SNK goes bankrupt tommorow, it wouldn't affect them the slightest. SNK is like a kid who get tasked to buy a specific item, but returns with random stuff and not that specific item. What I'm saying is that SNK is badly managed. Whoever the people at the company's board, are all retarded. It won't matter how many money the Saudi prince throws, SNK is simply incapable of making sane decisions, even the most simple tasks. All the Saudi can do is just wait for SNK to implode on its own.
>>528496432I bet when young Oda was at late-stage SNK, and they made all those bad decisions, he thought to himself:
>"If I was in charge, things would be different"Now, he's in control, he's doing the exact same shit lmao.
look for ono, mbs
he will make trannet an official tranny and recover the game from it's lame state
>>528499571Ono was responsible for Street Fighter x Tekken and Street Fighter V. He got lucky with SFIV.
>>528499981>Street Fighter x Tekken and Street Fighter Vi see two bangers compared to fatal flop...
>>528500435They're all flops. What's your point? kek
Those SFs actually had players.
>>528502453SFxTekken had players?
>>528438895don't forget tekken 8 and Mortal Kombat 1
>>528489353then apparently most people in the world don't like "fun"
>No major rebalance changes
>Kain functionally buffed by reducing charge window for Rev Cancel flashkick
This game is fucking done. The day Andy drops the game won't even hit 400 people online because there is no chance of anyone coming back who already dropped the game.
>>528513329if it's any consolation
it wouldn't have changed the outcome either way
andy is mid and we just saw him in xv anyway
Apparently they want to do the rebalance after the tournament
To be fair to the pros
I don't get this logic at all.
>>528513771you don't understand rebalancing after a tournament development
>>528515919Shut the fuck up
The big question will they do the balance update immediately after EWC (July 10-12) or after EVO Vegas (August 1-3)?
>>528520040you don't understand shut the fuck up development
>>528513329Doing major balance changes week's before EWC would have been fucking retarded
>>528528423Literally who would give a shit? It's not like the game has any competitive integrity to begin with.
>>528529976>Ruin the 1 million prize pool tournament with a major balance patch less than 2 weeks before the tournament begins.You're a fucking retard man. Root vegetable iq.
This retard above loves watching Top 8 with the same fucking characters
These pros play this game for hours, they can figure shit out.
