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>Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread?
Generally yes, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too
>Is Elin/Elona allowed?
Yes, they are roguelikes
>Is Dwarf Fortress allowed?
If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though
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Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers
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>>528440430 (OP)
demon really appeals to me as a concept, but the one time I tried it I remember the inventory/pokemon management being annoying

/rlg/, all I want is a roguelike with the freedom, exploration and NPC interactivity of Dwarf Fortress - Adventure mode, combined with the dungeon crawling goodness of Dungeon Crawl - Stone Soup, the setting and combat mechanics of Dungeons and Dragons - Fifth Edition and absolutely 0% of the tranny autism of Cataclysm - Dark Days Ahead.
Is that too much to ask for!?!?

>>528441656
Qud or ToME is as close as you’re gonna get in this lifetime

My favorite Nethack run

>been a while since I booted up dcss, maybe I'll play some-
well
what have you guys been playing?

>>528441826
I'm just waiting for AI to get to the point where you can just ask it to make open source games or something like that. I could see it happening within the next 5 or so years

>>528441656
>/rlg/, all I want is a roguelike with the freedom, exploration and NPC interactivity of Dwarf Fortress - Adventure mode, combined with the dungeon crawling goodness of Dungeon Crawl - Stone Soup, the setting and combat mechanics of Dungeons and Dragons - Fifth Edition and absolutely 0% of the tranny autism of Cataclysm - Dark Days Ahead.
>Is that too much to ask for!?!?
I'm working
2 more weeks

>>528443143
Let him cook.
(Cook faster)

>>528441656
Just play Unreal World anon

I love OpWz so much bros

>>528442218
Don't they just remove X to add Y who is X but gimmicky so it's not just a stat adjustment?

>>528441656
>5e combat
kys anyone who has played more than one game of 5e knows that its combat is the weakest that dnd has seen since basic

>>528442218
I’ve been playing a lot of TOME. Beat Embers of Rage, but in the main campaign I lost two runs in my very first T3 dungeon (one was the boss of tempest peak, one was a rare from a treasure chest in dark crypt, a random encounter that happened before I got the chance to do any other T3 dungeons)

>>528441826
Qud does have the tranny autism tho

>>528441656
Try Low Magic Age, its based on D&D3 rules via the OGL, has an open world with dynamic quests and traveling like Battle Brothers, and it has the dungeon crawling system of Darkest Dungeon

>>528451401
That's cool
I didn't like embers of rage nearly as much as the main campaign
>dark crypt
bold of you, that place is a death sentence
What classes are you playing?

>>528452454
Writhing one died to urkis at tempest peak, doombringer died to the chest rare in the dark crypt (although I did get the demonologist unlock before going there so technically mission accomplished). Now I’m grinding out mindslayer unlock attempts, Doing yeek archmage, one attempt I got really close but after protecting the yeek wayist and damaging subject z for a bit subject z used phase door and the yeek wayist went charging into the dark unknown to find him and got himself killed by skeletons before I could finish off subject z so I threw that run out.

>>528453373
wait holy shit I got the alternate version of Murgol’s lair so I get to be level 9 before facing subject z instead of level 8 this may be the run

Wow, I just remembered about how TOME was before the paradigm of playing only dual bow wielding psychic adventurer stealth archers. Huh

>>528455072
nvm he wound up stronger too, over 30 more health and did more damage too, died

>>528456191
might be worth it to do the slow way instead of repeatedly trying the fast way

>>528450438
I tried 5E and my favorite part is my mage being unable to cast more than 1 spell with concentration so I just cast haste and call it a day.

>>528456191
300*

>>528455083
you know as soon as you unlock it the game says adventurer is not meant to be balanced in any way so if you’re finding the game too easy adventurer is the obvious reason why

>>528451574
It doesnt though. Qud devs are trannies (and convicted pedophiles) but you would not now it from playing the game itself, you know it because you favorite wannabe nigger eceleb told you.

>>528465947
Even if you weren’t right and there wasn’t anything related to it in the game, still not gonna get it, because I’ve separated art from artist before, only for them to add political statements later in an update, so no thanks.

>>528469437
The QuD devs have separated their "art" from their own artists ... if you know what I mean

>>528465947
Gay deer village very much plays like something a pedophile that masquerades as a tranny for social camouflage would make.

>>528471708
are you too weak to kill babys first nonessential npcs

Why isn’t Golden Krone Hotel taken seriously

>>528471708
To me it plays as if someone prompted an AI to generate a sidequest.

>>528473214
I played it a bit and gave it up because when I tried it there was very little information in the game. No clear damage formula, no chance to hit display, enemies randomly getting 50% more speed so kiting is impossible and fighting them feels very random (you could walk into any trash mob and just die even when you owned some strong looking mob before). Seems like the dev added chance to hit display but I haven't found much interest in replaying it.

>>528465947
I didn’t know about convicted pedo. What’s the story there?

>>528473561
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3350830/#3351776
>tfw no sex shaman wife

>>528473214
Its just not mentioned much, I think its great, especially for beginners given its easy difficulty is its default and someone new to roguelikes can beat it in a reasonable amount of tries.

>>528472953
Is there a quest line for killing the child trannies in gay deer village?

>>528473267
Is there supposed to be a difference?

rogue survivor has more sovl than cdda ever will
rogue survivor is love
rogue survivor is life
praise roguedjack
those who remember, remember

what's your favorite crawl fork?

>>528477410
Any with Sticks to Snakes in it

13 days after I started playing stone soup I got a 15 rune win. Is that good

>>528480621
the resident furry autist took like a decade before xhe got a win so yeah you're kinda good

>>528480621
fuck you

>>528480706
already had 20+ nethack wins so already had roguelike experience to be fair

>>528480621
It took me a couple days before getting my first win but it was just 3 rune
haven't played since

>>528483940
What did the developer say?

>>528442060
Why even genocide gnomes? They're not that bad IIRC

>>528486945
bent the knee

>>528442060
Thagnomes.

>when someone mentions Noita or Hades in rlg

The enemies feel brain dead in Jupiter Hell

sayonara arelgee

>>528469437
>shids and pisses his pants over "political statements"
do hyper masculine sigma male roguelike players really

>>528441656
>/rlg/, all I want is a roguelike with [extremely complex set of features that are supposed to work seamlessly with each other]
>Is that too much to ask for!?!?
Yes, anon, that might be too much to ask for.

>>528515121
it's all very easy, roguelike devs are just lazy.

https://youtu.be/-13LUfagQhY?si=7IJA2eUmFAesOR7B

miss her 100% black berlin furtranny mad malcolm beet gaming polish femboy baby nights roguelikes for this feel?

>>528519376
nigga try doing it yourself if you're so smart
the laziness is natural, and all roguelikes are lazy because you bother with graphics less

>>528521918
I would but umm my elbow hurts.

>>528522297
this
I was gonna code my roguelike and write my book but then "ah geez dude I'm just gonna watch anime and jerk off" came over me

>>528442218
They added VS in trunk when I first started playing and they didn't do anything with 'em

also excuse your sorry ass
I got my first 15 rune in less than a month in 0.13
I'd post it but it had my really old handle on it that I scoured from the internet

>try the quasimorph beta
>victoria got nerfed hard
>kenzie got nerfed hard
>percy got buffed
What did they mean by this???

This is why you only play dead games or ones where you can git checkout and/or compile whatever version you need, mentally ill trannydevs will inevitably poison anything good about their game with sufficient time and attention.

today I added guns and firemodes

>>528440430 (OP)
>https://quinn2win.itch.io/crablike
this looks fun

>>528493192
Kornel is not a good programmer

>>528524195
anime isn't until tomorrow

I would love to play a game like the book series Dungeon Crawler Carl

I would love to have sex with a girl.

>>528538550
I wonder if any women fetishize repressors.

>>528480621
Haha I sure do love winning roguelikes, my fellow winners! Winning is great, which is why I do it all the time! God, could you imagine never getting past lair? What an embarrassment. Almost as embarrassing as not being able to beat ToME on roguelike. Good thing that will never be us

>>528480621
What combo? My first 15 rune win was a Gargoyle Fighter and it definitely wasn't hard.

>>528539981
>Almost as embarrassing as not being able to beat ToME on roguelike.
Damn that sucks...

>run ends
>back to real life

>>528539981
Its ok fellow winner, I can’t beat ToME on roguelike either, its really long. T3 is a giant wall of BS and mystery to me and it doesn’t help that it takes an entire day of playing to even get there.

>>528441656
btw, I'm >>528527969 and holy shit can you even begin to imagine how much work the shit you described is
I add one feature a day and my project is already at 2000 lines of code with roughly 2-3 weeks of coding/planning shit
my estimate is that I will need at least 2 years to reach feature parity with my dream game (e.g. finish the game)
THE MYTHIC MAN HOUR

>>528544904
>it takes an entire day of playing to even get there
do you not use auto explorer?
yeah early game tome gets repetitive and tedious but it usually doesn't take me that long to get to the other continent

Can you beat Qud following each of the starting archetypes?

>>528547464
Of course, you can even beat Qud as a fucking glowpad

>>528545827
This is with spamming autoexplore, although I forgot that I did spend a lot of the day yesterday cleaning the bathroom. But still, from the moment I finished cleaning the bathroom until midnight when I died to a randboss animated weapon behind a sealed door in the ruined halfling complex (literally a floor before the mindslayer unlock ree) I was playing TOME (except for like a half hour eating dinner)

Calibrations?

>>528554220
Not calibrated enough

>>528521656
zoomerlikes wouldn't understand

trad roguelike supremacy, fuck the newfags and false advertising devs

>>528540245
5 days after starting i got 3 rune win as human hedge wizard of sif muna
13 days after starting i got 15 rune win as minotaur fighter of okawaru

Good night, /rlg/

>>528469437
I’m with you. I’m only playing it because my brother bought it and I have a shared steam library with him.

>>528544904
Are you just blasting randbosses randomly with your skills without checking what they can do? On Insane you need think sometimes on strong classes and and think regularly on weak ones. It's not nightmare where you can roll enemies.

oops

Remember to take a break from your roguelike to pet your cat

I don't have a cat, but I'm going to make and eat 400 grams of orange jelly tonight.

Let's not take it easy.

Is it legal to masturbate to people you see through your windows? If your dick isn't seen, of course.

>>528564430
Its normal roguelike. I only have 50 hours.

I want to get into Qud but I almost always get bored and die during the first two joppa quests (red rock and wire gathering for the scientist) or shortly afterwards. I get lazy and play worse during those quests or burn out. Are there any randomized starts where you don’t have to do those quests?

>>528574579
Qud devs need to stop milking it indefinitely and make a dungeon crawler

>>528577569
Qud devs need to go to prison

Qud devs need to go and die for their homeland.

>>528556597
looks cool
>>528440430 (OP)
how do i put a brick or something on the steering wheel to run a car into a building without actually sitting behind the wheel?

>>528556597
i dont think it's a traditional roguelike because it has some kind of real-time element

it kind of sucks that only TOME is the one angband-inspired game that has a decent UI and graphics

>>528579972
If you want to make a statement, you should ram a car into a crowd yourself, throwing copies of your manifesto out of the window, otherwise your actions will be seen as a silly prank.

>>528581169
The biggest problem with TOME is the length honestly, otherwise it has everything a roguelike needs.

>>528582023
The orc campaign is better due to the short length, but it doesn't hit quite the same since you aren't that crazy overpowered during the end of the game

>>528581169
tangaria > TOME

>>528521656
>100% BLACK
Sorry, Deus Ex is not a roguelike.

people always talk about TOME but i never hear them talk about tomeNET

>>528582330
deus ex roguelike when?
I really need to replay DE because it has a lot of interesting building blocks that fit well with roguelikes
>procgen a city, hide important keys and passcodes in random buildings
>lots of arbitrary connectivity like all the different swimming locations
>stealth game with occasional GEP gun takedown

http://pousse.rapiere.free.fr/tome/
tometik is fun, i played it heavily during post covid

>>528582068
Yeah, I was actually able to beat the orc campaign on my first try while I keep dying in the main one as soon as I enter T3.

>>528582578
There's already a procgen city detective game inspired by it. Shadows of Doubt.

They call it tome because it takes a lot of time to beat

>>528583296
if you're the anon from earlier who described his experiences
hoard lighting res items specifically for urkis even if it's worse than your usual gear
don't enter the dark crypt in general unless you're experienced
movement infusions are amazing, don't be afraid to run away
shatter afflictions runes are also amazing, getting cc'd is death
I'd also look for a trinket that can cleanse confusion
Try changing up your skill order. Generally you want to always be casting something. So if you find everything on cooldown, get more skills, if you've got things off cooldown constantly you might've spread too thin.
normal difficulty is consistently a breeze once you understand a class's strengths and play to them

>>528583770
Yeah I am that anon. Hoarding resistance gear was chatgpt’s advice when I told it about dying to Urkis so I did hoard resistance gear on the runs where I died to the dark crypt and the randboss animated weapon in a sealed area in the ruined halfling complex. The dark crypt death I did put on all my blight resist gear but that wasn’t enough to stand up to silence (which disables runes btw I found that out there, which is the one case where a wild rune would be better than shatter afflictions) and the sheer burst damage that chest rare in the dark crypt had. And I kinda knew it was a mistake to go in there given the zone order progression said to do it at the very end of T3 and that it was especially lethal for melee classes, but I got FOMO especially because it’s necessary for the doomelf unlock and up until that point my doombringer was annihilating effortlessly so I felt confident. Probably for my next run though I won’t take any risks. No sealed doors, no chests/digestivesacks, no dungeons out of recommended zone order even if you can only encounter them once, because that’s almost always what kills me, Urkis was the only time I can remember that I was killed by something other than an optional challenge.

>>528547464
It's fairly easy to get infinite stats and mutation/license points in the long run, so your starting build can be whatever.

the funny thing about hoarding resist gears against Urkis is, it's wrong
You should be able to figure out why as an exercise.

>>528585184
Because he has built in lightning pen? It's still worth it

>it's still worth it
Your next homework is to prove that resistance to effective HP is a superlinear relationship
If you're dying to Urkis, it's not the lack of resistance that kills you.

>>528574579
Any non-joppa start just gives you a randomly generated village with 2 randomly generated quests. Same quests you get in any other random village (go to the sacred office chair and sit in it, desecrate a shrine etc) except one of them gives you a recoiler and the grit gate data disc to start the main quest. I would not recommend it unless you know what you're doing as these quest are in no way balanced to be doable for a level 1 character since they are random. You could be sent to a goatfolk village for your recoiler quest and good luck doing that at the start.

>>528582227
prove it

>>528585184
Aren't you just supposed to CC him to death? Or does that stop working beyond normal?

>>528585868
I'm not dying to urkis and I've beaten insane

>>528586149
The easiest way to kill him is just to do damage to him, he has 0 HP.
The easiest way to survive him is to make sure to cleanse the lightning per turn damage.
>>528586202
I have beaten Insane roguelike on every class and I have never had an issue with his damage. It is pointless to build (regular) resistance against enemies with penetration because the gears that you equip are just worse than say, +HP items and +damage items.
A comparison is those elder vampires in Dreadfell or the Master, they both have penetration stats. Building resist vs them is consistently pointless.
(Ethereal Form doesn't count for this, it ignores penetration)

My favorite moment in Embers of Rage is when I entered the final floor and the game spawns a randboss Titan right in front of me (great procgen dark god) and it was a marauder with 70% physical pen
So it one tapped me for x3 my max hp even when I was at 70% physical resist (god bless Yeti racial).
Penetration is the most retarded damage stat in the game, there's a reason in the base campaign you always cap it at the reroll machine before other stat like crit damage. All enemies get 70% resist starting at Pride and they all melt just the same as long as you have penetration.

>>528586383
>I have beaten Insane roguelike on every class and I have never had an issue with his damage
Doubt.
Post the bingo card from your account page on tome website.

>>528587912
https://te4.org/user/230424/wins
Used to post my runs on this thread ...
>3 years ago
jesus christ

>>528588174
>it's real
Sweet merciful jesus, how many years did it take? I kneel.

>>528588395
It took like 2 years, there simply wasn't another game that drew my interest
Slay the Spire was close, but I suck at it.

>it's a night when you're so lonely, you discuss friendship, travels and yaoi with an imaginary prostitute
I hate when this happens.

>>528588691
>yaoi
faggot
>imaginary prostitute
can’t you imagine a girlfriend like a normal virign, damn

>>528588476
what does "suck" mean in this context by the way, what is your ascendancy? that's hilarious if you are *this* good at TOME, the far more complex and difficult game, yet have trouble with StS

>>528589465
I'm trying to get better winrate/winstreak at A20 heart kills, and for the longest time my winstreak with Watcher was 3
(I also refused to put any block in the deck until recently though, I got a 5 winstreak now)
>complex
Complexity doesn't matter as much since tome is highly deterministic between leveling and between how much loot you get (for reference, I think half of my melee runs in base campaign finished with Dakh'tun's Gauntlets, which is a rare T5 artifact). With good classes I think I can win 90% of the run consistently and with bad classes like Cursed probably 20%, or 50% if I'm patient enough.
In StS everything is random and the game is snowbally as hell, getting win consistently (i.e. actually keeping track of your losses) is difficult
Keep in mind that in StS there are people with 80-95% winrate on A20 heart kill, so the game is highly skill based, just also very broad and random at the same time

>>528590159
When I unlocked Cursed, I took at look at the talents on the wiki, and after I finished reading it I thought “That’s it? This seems terrible!” and I thought there might be something I was missing but apparently it really is that bad, so bad that my newbie ass was able to tell from just taking a look at the talent descriptions.

I ascended Nethack a few months ago. Since then all games lost its luster since there's no way to top the emotion of beating such a legendary adventure. What is left for me? I already beat Isaac, Enter the Gungeon, Slay the Spire, Nightreign, Nuclear Throne, Nethack, Pixel Dungeon, all the legendary roguelites/roguelikes basically. Angband is too monotone for me, what else is there? Barony is more of the same and too contrived. Might try to beat Infra Arcana again, is it even possible?

>>528591990
time for Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, Caves of Qud, and Doom and cogmind

>>528593735
nix the first two just play cogmind

>>528441656
just play angband dude.

>>528588691
In which roguelike?

>>528593735
dcss is the thinking man's roguelike
cogmind is the stinking man's roguelike

>>528599327
If you shower more than 4 or 5 times a year you are not a true roguelike player.

>>528599507
wait is that why I’m so bad at roguelikes?

how important is character creation in a roguelike

glenn whichman was a cutie :)

>>528564965
I leave the chalice at 5 or so usually I think, the rest you can do with some talents and ankhs but never found it worth it, though better players than me still do it

>>528581169
tome doesn't look good

>>528609559
>pick up item in tome
>scroll through war and peace trying to figure out what it does

He'd probably be great at roguelikes

>>528582578
I wish streets of rogue was a roguelike

Are civil wars roguelike?
Are race wars?

>>528615289
>Modern whores
>Marriage
If you dont learn from mistakes then you are not going to be good at roguelikes

Died in Lair. Again.
https://youtu.be/HAkHqYlqops

page 10 again

>>528616028
Its an action roguelike, and a damn good one. The classes play very differently and there’s a lot of room for emergent gameplay.

>>528635578
>action roguelike
Watch your language

Skyrim is an action roguelike

how fun would a complex medical/HP system in a roguelike actually is
most simply have HP and status effects like bleeding whatever
I want to make a system with body parts: head, body, separate arms and legs
there will be various armor plates you can put on each limb to protect against various damage though they're essentially tiers of protection
each limb can be bleeding (capillary, venous or arterial by terms of damage dealt, lose blood each turn you have bleedings on your body, lose too much = die), an HP bar, embedded objects (multiple even, if you were hit by a burst fire lol), and bruises
if hit by the right damage type and the damage is enough and the organ is vital you die instantly (e.g. piercing damage to the body/head)
there will be four damage types:
blunt (bruises, if high dmg cause bleeding, cause pain and reduces your aim, damage in melee/ranged), pierce (high chance to kill, causes venous and arterial bleedings), slash (kinda the same but less bleeding), bullet (three classes: rubber less-lethal rounds, pistol and rifle rounds, each projectile has a mass and a velocity so muzzle energy is taken into play)
all damage types will be influenced by the limb they hit and the armor is on

is this too complex to be fun? do I just make an HP bar?

>>528640290
Have fun coding that for five years

you should make each body part a pocket and each turn a simulation is done in each pocket
For example the head pocket holds brain, eye balls, teeth and such
If you get shot in the head then now the head holds a bullet and blood flow can be congested.
When you drink alcohol the substance goes to the brain pocket and cause erratic brain activity.
When you go to surgeons they can perform services such as removing specific chemical, substance or physical object from your brain. Each healing item will also serve only 1 specific purpose (for example bandages will stop your brain pocket from leaking blood but has no effect on other injuries)
Then you can make some organs mini pockets too like the heart and if you get micro plastic they can enter these pockets and cause long term damage.

>>528640290
Stoneshard has body health system where each bodypart is protected by different armor pieces and you have to use different types of medical items to heal body parts. I guess you could pirate it and see how you like that system. To me it just feels like pointless busy work.

>>528640493
literally non-issue
I coded all of that on a different engine in a couple of days
true that it would take more on my current iteration of the game
>>528640623
okay I get your point
KEVIN?
>>528640638
well stoneshard "pirated it" from other games, it's a popular idea

>>528640751
I meant pirate the game and see how it actually feels to play with that shit

>>528640638
>>528640914
ah
>To me it just feels like pointless busy work.
at the end of the day the game is just a collection of numbers, a giant state machine if you will, and fun is just a buzzword..
but some roguelikes are fun and some are tedious..

>>528641110
DCSS is the GOAT because its complexity is compartmented nicely between backgrounds and classes.
When you have to deal with it all at once (CDDA) you only attract autistic neet trannies. Who do you want playing your game

>>528641647
>Who do you want playing your game
my end goal is:
1 YT video
300$ in donations or steam revenue
people talking about it in /rlg/ positively

>>528640290
>no separate fingers and toes
>no nerve damage
>no infections
>no arbitrary magical poison effects
Are you even trying?

>>528641857
>people talking about it in /rlg/ positively
Literally impossible

If you like your women zero year old or older, you're a pedo according to society.

>>528642839
yeah true, but the one I outlined isn't so bad in terms of kevin pockets
>>528642983
why, I see people praising games here all the time

>>528487595
>Why even genocide gnomes? They're not that bad IIRC
The character was a Gnome Wizard. Started the game with a scroll of genocide, did what had to be done.

rlg I need your help. I got shafted 2 floors and teleported into the zot entrance the next turn. Silenced from draconians and kinda shit resists.
How would you get out of this? Do I have to spend my last two blinks?

>>528644191
resists suck so maybe potion of resist might be worth a turn
I also have 9 evo and sack of spiders and condenser vane

>>528640290
>is this too complex to be fun
yes, it's likely going to suck and be worse than if you had just made a simpler health system
making things "more accurate" without any good reason doesn't make them more fun
there has to be a gameplay reason for everything or else it'll just be tedious bullshit
I could see it being fun in a game where there aren't as many enemies, and where the enemies are very smart and decisions matter a lot, but not the traditional dungeon crawling type roguelike then it'd just become tedious

>>528642839
dorf fort isn't even fun as a roguelike, it's overly complex buggy soup
good for other reasons but not as a roguelike

>>528646664
>I could see it being fun in a game where there aren't as many enemies, and where the enemies are very smart and decisions matter a lot, but not the traditional dungeon crawling type roguelike then it'd just become tedious
well main type of combat is going to be ranged (guns yay) and idk how to make the enemies smart, I struggle with shit like that
initial enemy AI is going to be simple

and my game isn't a dungeon crawler, it's an open world
the map is 65k by 65k and I want to add z levels eventually
you start in the middle and decide where to go with different dungeons, surface stuff, city with NPCs, etc

>>528609559
at least it has a UI and autoexplore

>>528650154
life's too short to be relying on VI keys

>>528650459
is this true?
how many of you actually think so?
is hjklyubn not based and trad?
should I make my game be playable with a mouse?

>>528527257

>>528652414
What do you think all these holes except for the square one are for? Future DLCs maybe?

>>528615289
meanwhile she had sex daily with guys she was actually attracted to
never settle, fellas
shame whores, improve yourself, pray you find a virgin

ok I decided I'm gonna settle on something like this:
HP
blood (basically HP 2. you will slowly lose it when bleeding but to regain you need to be satiated and drink lots of water and rest. yes, there will be food farming and hydration yay or nay. so that there's a limit on how far you can go, 0 blood = death. well, actually it's not zero but the amount below that you will lose consciousness but 0-100 is easier for a game instead of 5000 ml and <2700 ml)

armor pieces are equipped in various slots (helmet, armor, pants. ok, maybe no pants but just ARMOR for now, we'll see about that)
"hard" armor - reduces damage directly
"soft" armor - multiplies damage after hard reduction, e.g. 30% defense to ballistic w/e

bleeding status (can be major or small, basically a number that is subtracted from your blood. mainly for melee)
embedded status (how many bullets are in your body, removing them takes a while as to limit combat tanking)
pain status (the more pain there is the worse are melee / ranged rolls. some items will help to negate pain completely or reduce it. pain is calculated from the amount of bleedings, embedded objects and recent damage. each turn some of the RECENT pain goes away but pain from bleedings / embedded is constant as long as they are present. pain can be negative from items and stat buffs (high MPV)

stats:
MPV muscle power vitality - melee damage, HP, blood, flat pain resistance bonus
CRD coordination - ranged damage (aim yo shit), ranged hit chance (you can miss), melee hit chance
WIA willpower insight awareness - ??? not decided yet but it's totally required

how does this sound fellow autists

>>528654184
Why would you draw that conclusion? What data point took you in this direction?

Why is ignis acolyte the only background that prioritizes STR and INT? I end up dying to his wrath half the time.

>>528644191
I escaped by running into other enemies with rampage and digging a hole somewhere.

>>528654837
Then don't abandon him so soon. That is one of the easiest classes in the game.

>>528654603
megumin is an inferior loser

>>528527257
When factoring in the huge mechanical changes the beta introduced, it's actually the opposite. Kenzie's passive is more effective dodge than before because weight penalties in the beta are more than doubled, and victoria's bonus range directly translates into more damage under the new falloff formula. Percy's resistance/HP now matters less because damage is restrained by effective ranges, so it mainly matters in CQC engagements instead of in all engagements.

>>528637138
Well what else do you call a game that isn’t turn based but does have permadeath and procgen but doesn’t have vertical metaprogression?

>>528643938
People only praise troongames like DCSS and Qud here

>>528655941
Konosuba should have ended with Kazuma knocking up Aqua while they were drunk.

>>528656993
you have no idea how troonish my game is going to be

>>528657361
will be moderately troonish at best. You don't have any good ideas to make it truly top tier troonish

>>528658785
>will be moderately troonish at best. You don't have any good ideas to make it truly top tier troonish
we'll see
I just want to tell a story in the form of a roguelike, I want people to be interested in my cryptic lore which is already finished (it's easier to write lore than code)

Fucking stop, how hard is it to think about something other than trannies

>>528656993
false, looks like someone hasn't bothered to scroll the thread at all.

>>528659625
I'll stop complaining about trannies on game forums when trannies stop ruining games.

>>528656007
The damage falloff is a huge deal on Unfair mode. No more getting instakilled by a single 3-move unit holding an AR from beyond your FOV.

>>528659625
when you stop glazing dcss and qud

>>528662104
CDDA and Qud are goated tho

>>528669352
BN*
ftfy

trad rogue supremacy

>>528669352
ywnbaw

can the gookbug poster post his BEST and the strongest gookbug pic for me to add in my game as a cameo (when you press one of the f1-f12 buttons)

I haven't played CDDA in years. how come there's only an option for infinite points now? Am I missing something?

>>528677085
They couldn't balance the point system so they removed it.

>>528677591
So the only reason to not max your points and skills in char creation is RP purposes? That's pretty cringe

>>528678517
They don't care anymore. the game isn't designed to be played anyway.

>>528678598
>the game isn't designed to be played anyway.
devs will be getting offers from ubisoft soon

Why are all the roguelikes made by LGBTQIA+ dev teams?

>>528680201
I was going to argue with you that I'm making a roguelike and I'm not part of the LGBTQIA+ but then I remembered I was a pedophile

So I got no clue man.

>>528680201
Nah, its only really Qud, CDDA, DCSS, the artist for Dredmor, and the artist for Wayward.

when did rlg become such a cesspit?
its like none of you even like roguelikes anymore
even though reddit is infested with trannies and the like, at least the people there actually like roguelikes and play them
I think I'm gonna join #teamsoitranny and leave #teamchudjak
fuck this place
losers

>>528677085
cdda is dogshit, kevin is a sperg retard

>>528640290
>do I just make an HP bar?
Yeah I think so. Seeking realism is usually not so great. Oftentimes you get stuck in a situation where one feature being highly realistic ends up clashing with the rest of the game, which is not operating under the same realism framework, or else you're forced to start simulating everything else that tangentially interacts with that "realistic" feature, and now you're making a simulation not necessarily a video game.

I would say try looking at it from the player experience first and foremost, and then expand outwards from there. Just imagine what way you'd want combat to feel for the player, and then only add realism to the extent that it makes that gameplay feature fun/enjoyable.

>>528654184
gee I love coming to /rlg/ to talk about sex and relationships. theres simply nowhere on the internet or in the real world where people discuss such topics, so /rlg/ is such a breath of fresh air. Thanks anon!

any roguelikes where you can deal with divorce? Does Elona count?

What's up with the newer DCSS? I haven't ever spent much time looking into who is doing most of the contributions but it seems like a huge tone shift occurred in the last 2-3yrs. A lot of the new stuff in the game seems like... idk needlessly complicated for no real reason. Especially with spellcasting. No longer can you just like, summon an ally, there's all this stuff like "must be adjacent for x turns to an egg that also has an enemy standing with 2 tiles too" or "you have to stand still while winding it up for y turns before it attacks for (y/3 + skill * 1) seconds or whatever. Also what even are all these races now? I'm not mad just confused at what they're going for here.

>>528687908
I just play bcrawl

>>528687908
Team LGBT is obsessed with overdesigned garbage. They look down on people who just want bump combat.

>>528687908
Modern developers love attaching a bunch of pointless rituals/thinly veiled action taxes to each tool given to the player because it makes it less likely for >>528652414 to happen. It's a form of railroading.

>>528693001
Mostly correct, but meaningful option variety (ToME, Demon, etc) should not be equated to pseudointellectual trooncoded roguelikes such as DCSS, DDA, and CuQ. Bump combat or non-bump combat can both be good, those games just fail at it.

>>528696770
I play a lot of ToME, haven’t heard of Demon until now, but looks cool from the screenshots, thanks anon.

>>528678517
Or for challenge. Although to be fair the old system wasn't great for challenge either. If you took a couple of defects in the old system you could start the game as a blackbelt and bend a hulk into a pretzel from day one.

>>528697636
It's a very novel concept, but sadly I don't think the developer really excavated all the potential it had, as is typically the case of solo-devved, highly experimental roguelikes.

Let's say you have a deep love for roguelikes and wanted to make a game but thinks the whole coding and drawing thing is absolutely insufferable. From where would you start?

I'm 100% black

>>528700359
Hate drawing? Start with ascii
Hate coding? RIP bozo, libraries like libtcod can make things easier but there’s no way to avoid coding

>>528700359
You can vibe code. just yell at LLM im sure it'll work eventually

>>528700359
I hate programming as well. God does it suck. And some people actually like it which blows my mind

>>528702936
You are 100% black

>>528700359
>I'm a lazy nigger who possess none of the skills with which to make the thing I want to make
then don't make it, niggerfaggot

>>528703029
i am and used to like programming. like i'd do project euler problems and get excited about advent of code every year. I dont like it anymore. completely lost interest. not that anon THOUGH

>>528705482
What's the highest difficulty (%) problem on project euler you solved?

>>528705616
i dont know, but nothing too particularly difficult i dont think

>>528706812
Mine is 70%
I'm 100% white

>>528706856
impressive. Do you like Haskell. I was reading about it the other day it seemed pretty cool. It reminds me a bit of Lisp.

>>528708965
Learning a functional programming will get your brain going, but it will not likely make you solve problems better. Set the goal as a hobby but don't expect much.

>>528656993
dcss isnt really a troongame at its core because most of the content was actually originally made by one dude, Linley, in the 1990s and was expanded a bunch before like 0.14, which was a decade ago. the 41 percenters came much later

>>528711903
Which means if you play a fork that was forked back lo my enough ago it won’t have the troon content yes

>>528711903
Whatever happened to ol Linley? Does he pay any attention to his game at all? The world and his life situation are so different than they used to be back then.

>>528712581
More importantly, it will still have Blade Hands and Sticks to Snakes

>>528711903
That's like saying DDA isn't a troongame because every well liked game mechanic came from Whales.

>>528715029
To clear this up, main branch DCSS is a troongame, and bcrawl isn’t

On the topic of forks, anon here from last thread who was just getting back into DCSS after a long time and trying Kimchi. I really like it, pretty much everything I remember is still there with *some* quality of life changes like extended inventory space (via a 'bag' item u can just drop if unwanted), also cursed items appear identified some % of the time and basic ammo seems to be very plentiful. There is a lot of new content as well which I assume is a mixture of both new main fork stuff I had never played + some custom stuff, particularly races but the big thing is it has literally all the removed races/classes and the old school versions of spells. It feels basically just like playing 2011 DCSS with a bunch of solid mod content (which for me was absolutely peak, compared with what the .31 looks like, which seems more concerned with precise balance for competitive play vs. a more classic and pure dungeon crawling vibe. and bcrawl sounds like another option but with more fundamental gameplay changes to classic crawl, I haven't tried it). Can't rec this one any more, after maybe 20 to 30ish hours of play had no issues. The only downside is that it appears to be somewhat abandoned (github active though? but no updates since 2021) so gonna have to play it as-is.

>>528717872
>>528717872
based i been wanting to play kimchi crawl for years but havent gotten around to it yet. was actually just looking at the github for it earlier today. For me its 2pak the evocations God. He was so awesome, sadly never even got fully released as they deleted him before the official release of that version iirc. He was extremely fun to play as a DeepDwarf Evoker. Getting rod of clouds or w/e was such an insane power increase moment, easily one of the most fun runs i've ever did.

New crawl may be more "balanced" or w/e for comp but man old crawl just had broken stupid stuff that felt amazing once you got to midgame/early late game.

>>528640290
unnecessary tedium that won't actually impact how you approach fights
the normal scheme of rogue-like gameplay is too simplistic for systems such as this to be anything other than insufferable

>>528719047
its funny how roguelikes are supposed to be super-advanced in-depth but in reality due to their grid-based simplistic nature they really aren't

>>528718628
Hell yeah I played a run with him the other day, the gimmick of training evocations to use his powers and recharge wands seemed super cool, reminded me of wandcraft builds in Dredmor which were fun. I still died by like floor 6 though lol. There is a potion god as well I am playing on my current run nothing amazing from them yet but we'll see

I'm doing a run with Yredremenul with a 7headed hydra as my current permazombie. Just passed up the chance to get a catoblepas. Was that dumb? I was thinking sure it has the petrifiying breath but wouldn't it also end up petrifiying allies? Or just not using it at all? I wasn't sure so i stuck with hydra which has insane damage ofc

>>528720509
I haven't even SEEN a hydra since I started playing again but I just remembered how many of my old characters I lost to them... idk I can't answer your question unfortunately but fuck hydras

>>528591990
>>528590159
Try Shadowed

>>528700359
>hates programming
>one of the absolute most programming-focused genres in all game dev
A youtube channel talking about roguelikes.

>>528723254
I recommend Shadowed earlier too for a guy who said he wanted stealth

>>528723254
>>528723528
lmao I literally just spent 15 minutes trying to remember/search the name of this then come back to the thread and yall are just talking about it lol

>>528677085
If you just make your character with every category no higher than "average" it's basically like the old point system. although for whatever reason a lot of the combat skills don't affect any of those values at all, so you can literally set them to 10 and it won't change anything. I guess social skills and the ability to sew clothing are more significant capabilities than skill with a rifle in the apocalypse. I keep them 0 or 1 to compensate.

ngl they should cut all of the crafting skills and make them into proficiencies instead, it's retarded how I can grind fabrication to 10 by making a series of bows out of sticks and string. and they should consolidate the combat skills, having submachine guns, rifles and shotguns as three distinct skills is retarded. It should be long guns/handguns at most for gun skills.

:(

>>528733918
There was a spell that was basically throwing potions, that's I think the thing I miss the most from old DCSS, also Pakellas and gnomes
Them adding Pakellas and removing it the next patch was the point where their removal got too absurd for me

what build should i use for a dcss win?
i'm tired of playing mibe

>>528735031
mifi

>>528733918
I remember
frankly, it was useless and you never did it but still

someone find me a call center roguelike because I've been in this hell for an hour trying to get my line fixed

rlg surviving to bump limit when it spends 90% of its time living on page 9 is an interesting phenomenon

>>528740385
I got nowhere else to talk about ToME or CoE which are the two games I’ve been playing the most recently

>Tangaria is a free and open-source non-commercial multiplayer roguelike inspired by Tolkien’s lore. It blends the depth and unpredictability of classic roguelikes with the social features of MMORPGs.
Fight monsters alongside your friends, chat, engage in PvP (if you’re up for it), build your own house, or open a shop to trade with other players. The advanced real-time combat system shifts into semi turn-based mode when your character is wounded — giving you time to think before your next move. Tangaria has two display modes: graphical and ASCII (text)

gnight arr el gee

>>528680201
my game is going to feature dickgirls because according to the lore [REDACTED] spreads a DNA virus to decrease the remaining population of earth (dickgirls born = less women to bear children)
so it's actually the reverse of lgbtq+ prop
>>528703665
saved, included in the game

is there a better and more challenging while still being accessible RL than Rift wizard 2?
already played ToME
just wanna make sure im not missing out on somethign

how big tho

I get irrationally angry whenever I see someone talk about DCSS

why is it called "stone soup" anyway.

>>528750485
What does accessible mean

>>528720509
i dont think the catoblepas zombie would do its breath and would just attack instead

>>528752975
not ASCII mode, no bullshit """"immersive"""" mechanics like having to eat/drink

>>528756325
DCSS

>>528756325
not a roguelike

>>528752975
Playable by invalids suffering from various severe conditions such as blindness, no limbs, or being a slav

>>528757395
snobbery

>>528759424
you want a roguelike that's nothing like Rogue. I'm not a snob, you're just retarded

are non-modal menus even that good?
compare dropping items and various actions in:
non-modal menu (no invenotry menu)
press D
press item letter

modal menu:
press tab
press item letter / navigate via J and K to it (multiple keypresses)
press D
press tab

my current implementation is a modal menu

>>528757817
unironically doomrl

>>528760009
The substance of rogue isn't in that superficial BS. Go play some FTL.

>>528768254
I've played and enjoyed FTL. FTL isn't a roguelike

>>528770212
Nah berlintards like you consider it their favorite roguelike, no need to lie.

>>528772101
okay lil bro

>>528750485
What you probably mean is roguelikes that are entirely focused on combat encounters and not maintenance, and there's a few: ToME, DoomRL, Demon, Jupiter Hell, nu-DCSS (I think? haven't played since sludge elf removal), Path of Achra, Desktop Dungeons

>>528772556
Learn some grammar if you want adults to take you seriously.

>>528760785
okay no one cares, it will be a modal one

>>528772968
okay lil bro, thanks for the advice. Imma finna gonna work on dat

>>528756325
well I WISH I could develop without ascii mode, not all developers are good artists
it's not a deliberate choice, it's this way out of inability
also, I think food and hydration mechanics can be nice if they're not intrusive

>>528774528
Imagine needing to express ego by talking like a dumb nigger. Your generation really has it rough.

>>528775194
my ego? You got btfo for not knowing what a roguelike is and then decided to shift the argument to attacking my grammar. Almost like you're trying to save face, lil bro

>>528776064
You could have chosen to take a defiant posture in any number of ways, yet specifically defaulted to degrading yourself by writing like a dumb illiterate monkey. That says more about your psyche than you think. Everyone is annoyed by trannies, yet you never see anyone imitating trannies to be annoying, do you know why that is? Your illiterate retard ass can't hold a conversation, let alone an argument.

multiple armor slots yay or nay?
I'm leaning towards having three slots: helmet, armor and accessory slot (for energy shields that block bullets and make melee viable, because when both parties have these you have to resort to melee or throw grenades at each other)

>>528778067
I'd suggest starting with few slots and increasing/splitting them as the itemization pool expands in size and complexity. Having 5 different sources of +1 AC is mostly just pointless dress-up.

>>528778067
I also plan to have 4 damage type with corresponding hard and soft armor types:
blunt - rubber bullets and melee
slash - melee
pierce - some melee (polearms, rapiers..), arrows and high mass bullets (several of the guns where bullet mass exceeds 40g, mainly anti material rifles)
bullet - bullets
does this sound interesting
I can also post the various skills if anyone is interested
>>528778497
yeah I'll probably go with that

>>528776993
>yet you never see anyone imitating trannies to be annoying
nta but okay sister

>>528778587
>pierce - some melee (polearms, rapiers..), arrows and high mass bullets (several of the guns where bullet mass exceeds 40g, mainly anti material rifles)
>bullet - bullets
this effectively means that you can either defeat an end game enemy with a personal shield with a bow, a melee weapon or an AM rifle
though bows will have less damage than an AM rifle and melee will require enough strength stat

>>528776993
you're still dodging the fact that you don't know what a roguelike is, lil bro

>>528778746
>this effectively means that you can either defeat an end game enemy with a personal shield with a bow, a melee weapon or an AM rifle
>though bows will have less damage than an AM rifle and melee will require enough strength stat
now that I think about it it doesn't make any sense from a physics standpoint because what matters is muzzle energy (kinetic energy) because the shield effectively needs to output enough magical energy to stop the round and its power is capped BUT it absolutely fails at deflecting melee (still blocks some damage)
if muzzle energy matters then arrows are useless and normal rifle rounds should be able to go through
it makes it less interesting
should arrows be able to pierce personal shields
I could just make various types of personal shields with different joule stats (muzzle energy of round it is rated for), then I can properly incorporate my gun autism with specific bullet masses and velocities for both real and fictional guns

>>528778587
>bullet - bullets
Good idea to separate bullet damage from melee types, especially true for JHP, might also call it internal damage or maybe "rupture" if you want to have some other weapons do similar damage.
For example the wasp knife that injects compressed air has similar enough effect on soft tissues.

>high mass bullets
There's a subset of modernish small caliber firearms specifically designed to penetrate body armor. Downside is they have very little stopping power.

>>528774141
Yes, nobody ever cared about modality in the sense you're thinking of it. Not even berliners.

>>528779412
>now that I think about it it doesn't make any sense from a physics standpoint because what matters is muzzle energy (kinetic energy) because the shield effectively needs to output enough magical energy to stop the round and its power is capped BUT it absolutely fails at deflecting melee (still blocks some damage)
Many fantasy works explain it as melee warrirors being muscle wizards that imbue their weapons with their mana or chi or whatever that negates enemy magical shields, and it does not work on ranged attacks, or dissipates too fast from small projectiles but lingers in javelins and arrows.

>>528779614
>Good idea to separate bullet damage from melee types, especially true for JHP, might also call it internal damage or maybe "rupture" if you want to have some other weapons do similar damage.
oh yeah I'll totally have different bullets, soft point, plastic point, JHP, it's all in the design doc
>There's a subset of modernish small caliber firearms specifically designed to penetrate body armor. Downside is they have very little stopping power.
the chinese have designed a cartridge similar to the 5.7, it's 5.8x21mm, 3g at 480m/s steel core, it's in the gaaame cuz it's set in eastern siberia (near china, but lore is another matter)

what do you think about this
>>528779412
basically, there's a MAGIC (absolutely magic, it's not possible, but good for game's sake) accessory called the personal shield (totally not ripped from another game made by a Russian junkie who I greatly admire)
the problem is that I want it to be penetrable by high mass projectiles only which makes it penetrable by arrows and makes sense that melee weapons would shred through it but that makes 0 sense because KINETIC energy matters, so normal rifle rounds which have 3 kJ should be able to go through
>>528779928
sadly the setting is hard sci fi (stuff that's definitely possible but the chance is really low, and I'm walking on edge with shit like personal shields, maybe if there were superconductors it'd be possible irl?)

>>528780189
>sadly the setting is hard sci fi (stuff that's definitely possible but the chance is really low, and I'm walking on edge with shit like personal shields, maybe if there were superconductors it'd be possible irl?)
on that matter, if I ever finish this game I'll definitely use its engine to make a fantasy one once I have enough experience because it's in my backlog

>>528780189
okay actually it's even more complex
if we assume that it's an EM field then shields:
deflect jacketed bullets since they have copper
slightly deflect all lead bullets because lead is slightly influenced by magnets
wooden arrows go through completely

I just want to have different damtypes with the shield giving high protection against bullets but not piercing damage, with arrows, some strong bullets and melee having the piercing damage
it's all so much simpler then

taking the bullet JACKET into play here really sounds like autism

how do I play a caster in dcss
only ever played grug meleemans
pray to vehemut or sif muna, hope I get some cool spells?

Which one can I sink more hours into, Qud or ToME?

>>528781636
despite ToME also sort of having a set order of things you should do, it feels way less repetitive than talking with the main quest furries in Qud
I'd say ToME

>>528750262
>virus that turns women into men
You are 2000% gay, half the dudes in a gay club would call you a faggot and beat you up.

>>528781905
>You are 2000% gay, half the dudes in a gay club would call you a faggot and beat you up.
I agree, but it doesn't work exactly as described
it's just a disease that makes women birth dickgirls
it's not a tranny TF thing

went out for an errand
had some ice cream on the way
hot young teens in short skirts as far as the eye could see
it truly is a wonderful world to be a straight white relatively attractive male who does not play roguelikes

>>528781769
If DarkGod ever gets around to completing Lost Land, it’ll help a lot with ToME’s biggest problem, a repetitive earlygame, because you’ll have 2 earlygames to choose from. Still, even now, there’s a lot to do in ToME despite the repetitive earlygame dungeons.

>>528778592
Anon, Sister is used as form of self-deprecating. It's satire just like niggerspeak used to be (bix nood muhfugga) before zoomers misinterpreted it to signal strength. Even young people implicitly know that trannies are just a semi-privileged bootlicker caste, where they got duped is into thinking blacks aren't the exact same thing.

>>528778808
I doubt anyone cares what you think a roguelike is.

>>528782187
two expansions releasing at the same time, trust the plan

>>528782376
What’s the other one? I haven’t heard news of another expansion, just a lot of stuff about Lost Land 2 years or so ago then radio silence.

>>528782771
Same time he talked about lost land he mentioned Beneath the Tides
something something nagas and trolls and pirates
https://steamcommunity.com/games/259680/announcements/detail/3672159223604950925?snr=2___

so tell me rlg, do you prefer realism over simpler gameplay

>>528783292
this is almost a meaningless question. "Realism" can include almost anything, and there are ways to include a realistic mechanic in ways that are obnoxious and cumbersome or intuitive and elegant.

To give an example using the "realism" game cdda, it's obnoxious as hell how hand encumbrance slows your crafting speed. It's "realistic" for gloves on your hands to make it harder to craft things, but it's also very easy to assume that your character would simply take their gloves off to craft whatever it is you are trying to craft. Both approaches are perfectly realistic, but forcing the player to go through menu navigation twice to take gloves off and put them back on again just to emulate the "realism" in a clumsy way is aids. And what gameplay is that added effort from the player serving? Making sure you are accurately penalized for trying to craft in the middle of an ice lab where assuming you take your gloves off would mean you get frostbite on your fingers? It's completely asinine.

>>528782187
Doesn’t feel that way to me. In Tome you do the same dungeons every time, the only variation is trying out the different classes. In Qud it’s always a new experience after the first few scripted quests.

>>528783292
Realism that doesn't serve an explicit gameplay purpose just creates walking simulators like Unreal World.

>>528783259
Oh yeah I remember now, I forgot about it since it was only mentioned in that one post, hmm, I think he might have taken too much onto his plate and that’s why we haven’t heard from him in 2 years. Hell one of the expansions might have been scrapped already.

>>528785496
Tome's variance comes from resource generation, enemy generation (on higher difficulties), and encounter layout generation. The same dungeon each time isn't actually the same, and the same character each time isn't actually the same, though it does have a bit of the Angband build collapse problem.

Tome's earlygame is so repetitive because the player has so few tools, and the encounters are likewise limited to account for that. Qud is no different in this respect.

>>528782253
just give up, lil bro. Your embarrassing yourself

>>528785491
>>528785534
I need to make a choice: there are two approaches I can take for a single item type

there will be an item that is designed to block bullets magically, it isn't possible irl (energy shield)

there are two approaches I can take
the simple and unrealistic one is to just make the shield an armor piece just like others that gives armor to specific damage type
say it will give 50 defense from bullet damtype which will render guns useless against you forcing the enemies to melee
here's the thing: this approach allows me to easily make weapons/ammo that bypasses the shield by simply assigning a different damage type
for example, anti material high mass bullets will have PIERCING damage (just like melee weapons which the shield DOESN'T protect from), arrows will also have it and etc, but NOT bullets

but the thing is
I could make another approach with muzzle energy which is more realistic
all bullets have a specific muzzle energy that is derived from bullet mass and velocity
let's say the shield protects up to 3000 joules which is a lot, that's most rifle rounds
so the logic for the shield is going to be more complex: it is now not a simple armor piece, but it has new logic
when a PROJECTILE hits the shield it gets the projectile type:
0 - non magnetic, completely passes through (arrows, since they're either wooden or carbon fiber)
1 - semi magnetic, randomly halves the muzzle energy decreasing damage (lead only bullets)
2 - magnetic, deflected completely (copper jacketed bullets)
if the projectile is semi magnetic or magnetic and has a higher muzzle energy than the shield rating (some rifle rounds are 3200 joules leaving 200 joules, 200 joules is quite lethal, anti-materiel rounds are fucking 32000 so that just instakills you) the muzzle energy is decreased by shield rating and the damage is recalculated

>>528787226
as you can see the second approach creates some player-facing challenges like sourcing specific ammo types against enemies using shields
and the second approach STILL doesn't explain why you would be able to melee it because melee weapons are made out of steel and generally have the same muzzle energy (though the energy is spread over the blade? what about spears?)

>>528786929
Attention-starved zoomer.

>>528787226
first of all this isn't even a question of realism because you are talking about a fantasy technology. You can make that fantasy technology anything you want it to be in the setting to fit whatever mechanic you want.

second this fixation on kinetic energy is totally misplaced imo, kinetic energy even when applied only within the regime of bullets is far from an accurate representation of almost anything about bullet performance. e.g. you can have an extremely heavy bullet at a slow velocity and a light bullet at a higher velocity that have the same kinetic energy but will have vastly different performance on target. The heavy slow bullet will penetrate a million feet of ballistic gel without being deflected or destoryed and the high velocity bullet will penetrate steel armor plate that the heavy bullet will barely dent.

I think if you want to have the shield thing where it protects differently against various weapons I would make it as simple as possible, especially for the player that isn't going to know or care about kinetic energy calculations. For example make the shields stop handgun bullets but not stop rifle bullets or anything stronger, or you could do the inverse so it's like the Dune shields where they selectively affect higher velocities, or anything in between.

>>528787710
what's your favourite roguelike, fren?

>>528788050
If he’s the guy who said its only a real roguelike if its ascii, then I’d bet its Microsoft Excel

>>528787984
wait, shields are from DUNE? now I know where they stolen from (I'm stealing the bullet shield idea from another game that apparently stole it from dune because it was influenced by it too)

>second this fixation on kinetic energy is totally misplaced imo, kinetic energy even when applied only within the regime of bullets is far from an accurate representation of almost anything about bullet performance. e.g. you can have an extremely heavy bullet at a slow velocity and a light bullet at a higher velocity that have the same kinetic energy but will have vastly different performance on target. The heavy slow
bullet will penetrate a million feet of ballistic gel without being deflected or destoryed and the high velocity bullet will penetrate steel armor plate that the heavy bullet will barely dent.
yeah I agree
and you know what? reading /k/ DIDN'T FUCKING HELP
they all argue about shit and can't fucking agree if whether 5.7 is fucking a good round or not
I guess I'll go with the second approach it's simpler
just make the shield do a flat damage reduction and a percentage one maybe too (because I have two armor types, "hard" one and "soft" one which is percentage)
thank you for your input

>>528787226
I'd say as a rule just start with the simple and functional method and leave open the possibility of reworking it to be more granular if the situation eventually calls for it. The most successful games are ones that are straightforward but have interesting innovations on a fundamental level, there's no need for grandiosity in the current environment.

>>528788435
first approach*
>>528788490
I could rewrite it any time, true
the only innovation my game currently has is that it's an open world like ADOM or qud but without the overmap (e.g. you travel manually) and the map is big

>>528787696
What if super weak version of energy shields is so abundant and ubiquitous any human opponent is expected to have one, and shields negate each other regardless of power so melee and point blank shots always work?

>>528788308
a real roguelike should be able to be played ascii. I've got no problem with tiles. The point is that the game is grid-based with simultaneous actions. You can slap whatever pretty tileset you want on top of the ascii, but the ascii should be the base

>>528786327
That’s one of the reasons the earlygame is repetitive, the other reason is that if you’re playing as intended (roguelike mode), then its what you’re going to be replaying the most often.

>>528788435
>and you know what? reading /k/ DIDN'T FUCKING HELP
/k/ is like the last place to find useful technical info about firearms, especially today where it's a shitty slow version of /pol/ or /int/. If you want real technical data to the degree of specific bullet performance against real world targets and so on that is not light reading at all. You won't get a realistic picture of it without consulting actual technical literature. To my surprise we have a poster here who must have some familiarity with that other than me since he post a screencap of a docgkr post lmao
>>528779614


Anyway, the tl;dr of bullets is that pistols and shotgun projectiles are very slow, and rifle bullets are fast. Rifle rounds are 2x-3x the speed of pistol and shotgun rounds, and speed it what defeats IRL armor, fictional energy shields are a completely different story.

The 5.7 thing you are talking about is a confusing topic, because armor in the 5.7 context isn't the same thing as armor generally. 5.7 is the same weight class as a pistol round so it is hopeless at defeating real armor, rifle plates and steel armored vehicles, when they say that 5.7 is armor penetrating what they are talking about is that it can defeat SOFT armor, aka vests made of kevlar or dyneema fabric. Any rifle round can defeat soft armor naturally but slow rounds like pistols and shotguns can't, which is what makes 5.7 and rounds like it "armor piercing", it can defeat simple armor that regular pistols cannot. That being said there is such a thing as 9mm AP rounds for example that can also beat soft armor.

>>528789205
>and speed it what defeats IRL armor
speed is*

I need to make money so I can buy sex from hot young women of rentable affection
in cataclysm

>>528788710
>What if super weak version of energy shields is so abundant and ubiquitous any human opponent is expected to have one, and shields negate each other regardless of power so melee and point blank shots always work?
in my game only high-ranking enemies have them, it's semi post-apocalyptic
idk about point blank shots..
>>528789205
yeah I understand that there's kevlar, steel, and composite.. I also went and autistically wrote bullet weight and velocity for all calibers in my game but now I think it's not that required because even if the round is fast (and it's fmj and not AP, meaning it has a steel core)

here are some my fictional cursed calibers

ai prod 6x40mm NC 6.5g 750 m/s CBW-C ASSAULT RIFLE (30 shot)
ai prod 10x20mm NC 10g 300 m/s CBW-A STRIKER-FIRED PISTOL (10 shot) CBW-B SUBMACHINE GUN (30 shot) CBW-D SUBMACHINE GUN (40 shot)
ai prod 20x60mm NC 40g 500 m/s CBW-E-AM ASSAULT RIFLE (10 shot)

local prod 6.35x17mmRF BP 3g 400 m/s Xishuai BOLT ACTION RIFLE (1 shot) Tanhuang-25 CARBINE (17 shot)
local prod 14x22mmRF BP 12g 350 m/s Da-zhu FALLING BLOCK ACTION RIFLE (1 shot) Fenmo LEVER ACTION RIFLE (12 shot)
local prod .30 Rimmed NC 10g 800 m/s Luoshuan BOLT ACTION RIFLE (7 shot) Bendan-Shazi ASSAULT RIFLE (20 shot)
local prod 7.65x43mm Yuanzhu NC 8g 750 m/s Yuanzhu-Shidai ASSAULT RIFLE Yuanzhu-Shidai-SA CARBINE (32 shot)

local prod .66 AM 100g 800 m/s Fan-jiqiren BOLT ACTION RIFLE (1 shot)

local prod .320 rimmed BP 5g 160 m/s Goutou-ren REVOLVER (5 shot) Liumang REVOLVER (6 shot)
local prod .442 rimmed NC 13g 200 m/s Liugou REVOLVER (6 shot)

local prod 11x26mmR NC 8g 250m/s Yinxiao REVOLVER (6 shot)
local prod 8x24mm NC 7.5g 400m/s Wanxiao PISTOL (10 shot) Wanxiao-Maqiang SUBMACHINE GUN (24 shot)

>>528788435
>wait, shields are from DUNE?
yeah the shields in dune iirc stop high velocity projectiles but not slow ones. which is why they use melee weapons, guns are useless in that context.

kinda sorta makes sense too since the faster an object moves the resistance to it is exponentially higher, 2x velocity means 4x the air resistance.

>>528789712
>yeah the shields in dune iirc stop high velocity projectiles but not slow ones. which is why they use melee weapons, guns are useless in that context.
>kinda sorta makes sense too since the faster an object moves the resistance to it is exponentially higher, 2x velocity means 4x the air resistance.
holy shit that makes so much sense

>>528789604
Dark days ahead

>>528789643
>(and it's fmj and not AP, meaning it has a steel core)
if you want to get even more confused here AP doesn't necessarily mean steel core. M855 is steel core and it isn't AP, because it's simply mild steel core. Steel core AP ammo has hardened tool steel penetrators, but that's also old technology at this point. Modern military AP ammo instead uses tungsten carbide penetrators. Very expensive.

>>528789965
yeah tungsten is in my list as an endgame AP bullet
but now that I've heard the dune explanation I wonder if I should even make super powerful rounds be able to go through shields
I guess it's good from a gameplay standpoint?

>>528788649
How the game plays and how much personal effort it will take to get the game to play that way, or to thereafter make adjustments to it, is the most important thing you want to be looking at in any decision when making a roguelike. Nobody plays Roguelikes for the lore.

>>528790267
All I can say is in my cataclysm experience AP rounds like like health potion in an rpg, you hoard them and get so used to hoarding them that reach the end of the game and notice you have a mountain of health potion. And like I said earlier most regular people have literally zero concept of what armor piercing ammo even is or why it's necessary, let alone adding hollow points, match ammo and everything else to that list.
To keep it simple I would arrange it by class of weapon sort of like the dune example. rifles = fast, pistols/shotguns = slow, melee = slowest. Then you can make the shields affect those categories any way you want.

>>528788649
>>528790457
In fact, lore is an active hindrance to roguelike development, because the moment someone comes up and says "This mechanic is badly designed and ruins the gameplay experience" and you respond with "that's how it works in the lore, too bad", your name will become Kevin Granade.

>>528789205
>since he post a screencap of a docgkr post lmao
I got that screencap somewhere on 4chan years ago.
I'm just obsessed with useless trivia, rumors and opinions on rare and unusual firearms, more interested in mechanical engineering, handling, service, ergonomics than bullet performance.

>>528790649
>rifles = fast, pistols/shotguns = slow, melee = slowest.
the problem is that with the simple armor system it's not possible, I'd then need to add two new damage types: fast bullets and slow bullets
then it works: 100 defense from fast bullets and 30 from slow ones
then assign fast bullet damage type to rifle ammo and slow damage type to shotguns and pistols
>>528790764
I don't want to become Kevin.. this is why I share my thoughts here, to receive feedback

>>528786327
>The same dungeon each time isn't actually the same
Not in any meaningful way since you’re auto-exploring most of the time for everything until maybe t3.
> the same character each time isn't actually the same
If you want to play a fire archmage it’s pretty much going to be the same build every time regardless of what gear you find. It’s not like DCSS where loot and spell books might influence your build.

>>528790921
interesting, well if you care I'll tell you that guy is like the only real resource on wound ballistics that is on the internet at all today. he's an IRL doctor and was an associate of some of the biggest name guys who developed most of the info on wound ballistics in the last 30 or so years that is still in use today. He posts on gun forums occasionally, I don't know how active he still is.
Outside of reading his forum posts your only way to get real info on wound ballistics is to consult the technical literature like I said earlier, if you can even find it that is.

>>528791208
The character building in Tome being too rigid is one of the complaints I have against it, but it does still have some variance in the sense that finding certain equipment or infusions can change when your power spikes, and uniques/randbosses can change when the difficulty spikes.

I think we’ve officially talked about everything there is to say about roguelikes. Show of hands to end rlg

>>528788435
>they all argue about shit and can't fucking agree if whether 5.7 is fucking a good round or not
also the disagreement about 5.7 is about its wounding performance. There's no debate about its capability at defeating soft armor, the question is how it does it. To get the velocities needed to reliably defeat soft armor without exotic projectiles you need to reduce the diameter of the bullet. Reducing the diameter of the bullet like that has a different significance for pistols than with rifles because pistol rounds are not fast or massive enough to cause the types of wounding that rifles do, pistols only poke holes in people. So the substantially smaller bullet diameter means you have substantially less damage on target shot for shot with a 5.7 vs a 9mm all in the name of defeating soft body armor that isn't terribly common in the first place.
tl;dr 5.7 beats kevlar vests but pokes smaller holes in people making each shot individually less lethal than a comparable conventional pistol round.

>>528779614
>fudd wall of text
Now is this any different from any other caliber short of .308 (maybe, at minimum)?
Cops have to magdump meth'd out niggers routinely with their 9mm/.40, and whole books have been written on how bad 5.56's lethality is.

is rift wizard actually good
I got bored of achra fairly quickly and it seems similar

I wasn't aware we talked about roguelikes around here I just talked about my day

>>528796034
Its got similar build depth but there’s 2 major differences
1. Its MUCH harder, I haven’t beat either RW but I’m going through the Achra cycles at a steady pace
2. Moment-to-moment gameplay matters a whole lot, one mistake will kill you, unlike achra where many builds can hold one button the entire time

>>528796585
I went for a nice swim and tanned a bit
currently trying to figure out how to play a caster in crawl

>>528796585
You can talk about your day, irl is very random and has permadeath

>>528796034
I like 2 better. I think the addition of equipment adds build variance that the first game somewhat lacked.

>>528796807
nice that's me in the next few months

>>528796752
Yeah desu the cycles are my least favorite part of achra
mayhaps I'll give rift lizard a try then

>>528797539
Yeah instead of a cycle system it instead has a base difficulty that’s ball-crushingly difficult, and if you manage to beat that there’s the archmage trials which are special challenge runs with unique modifiers that you can complete in any order.

What roguelike should I play for the next two weeks while I’m waiting for the Rimworld DLC to come out?

>>528798317
>Rimworld DLC
they're still adding shit to that game?
I haven't played it for like 5 years and I thought it was too bloated then.

>>528798317
If you like Rimworld maybe you’d like Approaching Infinity?

>>528798419
About once a year Tynan steals a few popular mods, polishes/debloats them, and adds them into the base game as paid DLC.
It’s my favorite game and I’ll never get tired of it, just needs some kind of roguelike mode.
>>528802358
I’ll have to look into it but I think I’m gonna settle on Caves of Qud because it kind of fits the same “post-apocalyptic but with cybernetics and psychic powers” theme that Rimworld has.

the fuck are these talismans

>>528764389
>>528757817
honestly, going down the rabbit hole of games for blind people really was enlightening to me. I never really thought of it much but really being blind they have a lot more excuse and need for escapism than almost anyone else, also if you think about it you can come up with a lot of enhanced immersion when visual effects are no longer required. I'd think /rlg/ of all places would be more in support of that kind of thing since roguelikes in general sort of work off that same principle of not needing impressive (or any) graphics. It is weird how this strange culture came into being where many devs fetishize accessibility and disabilities. Really unusual. Its created a sort of inverted social pyramid where being more disabled equates to higher status.

>>528809010
idk, shapeshifting seems ass now so i havent bothered with it in the new version.
>>528754873
My 7headed hydra died and so I ended up encountering another catoblepas and binding its soul as a permanent ally. They don't count as zombies when you use this, they're more like heplianqua spirit ally. And he 100% does still use his petrifiying cloud breath on enemies.

Well, I bought rift wizard
It's pretty cool but I'm not sure if it's what I was looking for. It feels more like a puzzle game than a roguelike, and my expectations going into it might've diminished my enjoyment.

>>528817990
1 or 2? because there is quite a bit of difference between them and imo 2 is better

>>528818173
2 on an anon's suggestion
I don't think it's bad but I need to give it another shot without expecting a traditional roguelike

>Orc supremacists had a change of heart
nani the fuck?

>>528818491
yeah I noticed hill orcs were removed too
so homosexuals

>>528818248
It technically checks all the boxes for a traditional roguelike, but it’s a very nontraditional traditional roguelike if that makes sense. The ability to see exactly where you’re going and having a choice of where you go is very nontraditional, and so is the lack of classes and the availability of every spell in the game without needing to find a corresponding spellbook or something.

>>528818491
brother stop playing main branch, its gay, they removed a ton of content and trooned several uniques. (and also now apparently made Beogh the nice and friendly god apparently)

>>528819457
okay. Just installed kimchi crawl.

>>528818491
>is considered an evil god
Based

>>528818491
>the god of pariahs
>main feature is it makes you lots of friends
HRT must have devastating effects on IQ.

>>528818491
The irony seems to be lost on them that they're portraying their own dogma as an evil, xenophobic cult.

>>528818491
>he might be a psychopathic genocidal killer but he would never commit a racism

>>528480621
I've played occasionally since 2010, and I just got my first win today.

>>528819457
what should I play instead

I have no idea what I'm doing, but minions seem pretty fun
got an item that makes them all eat walls and get stronger

>>528830062
bcrawl is the one that I picked, a lot of people in this thread seem to like kimchi, you can choose one of those or do your own research, just gotta look up “dcss forks”

>>528835307
Realm 10 is quite good for your first day playing, nice!

>>528840860
>!

>>528841528
I do, on occasion, use punctuation.

>>528840860
thanks friend
died on 12 I think and haven't gotten nearly that far in my subsequent runs trying different things
definitely a difficult game

whats the best food to eat while rogueliking

>>528846728
I’ve been eating flavored almonds while playing ToME

>>528846728
Wasabi peas

>>528835307
which game is this?
please tell me, I wanna play it

>>528818491
>noooooo we can't have racism in our game even if it's done by retarded orcs who make it look bad!!!!
lmao crawl is fucked
so is cdda
all "main" roguelikes are fucked in the ass and trooned out the butt
lmao lmao lmao fucking transfuckers


PS play nethack you stupid fucking faggot

>>528849235
rift wizard 2

>fucked in the ass
Why can't slavs stop thinking about assfucking even for a second

these multi-tile enemies are sick

>>528854462
Yeah, they’re probably my favorite addition to Rift Wizard 2 over the original.

roguelikes that can help with my insomnia?

Should baby slime be unable to spawn on vehicle tiles?
Their spawming in enclosed vehicles is clearly a bug and with enclosed space combat rules is increasingly a problem.

having no bash is the defining characteristic of slime, a bug which allows them to spawn through barriers significantly undermines a good macro strat. The game is too micro oriented, too much micro abuse, not enough actual strategy.

Some macrostrat ideas:

Science ID cards bound to specific labs, to stop players hoarding them
Millitary ID cards have clearance levels. like the Xedra cards, should be universal.
Wasps fear any and all fire and sources of high heat. make them move off hot tiles, at night they should avoid, not come to light.
Trifids should be blind, only some of the sentry-type trifids should be able to see.
There needs to be building materials which resist impact/cutting/grinding/explosions.
HESCO/hardened cement/reinforced cement/ ablative armor. this diversity would make single barrier challenges more interesting, and multi-barrier challenges less easily abused.

I work 12 hours overnight thankfully I work from home on this night. Roguelikes are perfect because if I end up getting a call or having to actually do my job I can easily stop on a dime and continue again without any issues. Working in office the other days really sucks because I can't relax like at home. Sometimes there's over an hour between calls. Imagine sitting in a freezing cold office from 8pm to 8am the next morning and you just have to sit there staring at spreadsheets or emails to look busy because your manager is always a few feet away. If I'm lucky I can move a few rows away and play DCSS on my mobile device at least. There's cataclysm for Android as well but it is horrible to play on there and I'm suspicious that anyone actually plays it on a mobile device.

Any other roguelikes that are available for phone and not garbage to play on one?

>>528859881
Shattered Pixel Dungeon is a popular roguelike that started as a fork of a mobile game called Pixel Dungeon, so idk if shattered has a mobile version but pixel dungeon is mobile

bwos....

https://vxtwitter.com/hololive_En/status/1937918723941409044

rogulick is shaved....

>>528441656
Have you tried factorio?

>>528863164
>vtubers
death penalty

at least its their new game that’s just knockoff stepmania instead of the actual crypt of the necrodancer

I have yet another crazy roguelike idea
Since I'm 100% black I won't share it thoughbeit

>>528859881
Shattered, gurr's Nethack ports are great

>>528865954
basketball roguelike?

dungeon crawl stolen soup

In Qud, how do you keep track of which ruins you've already explored? I don't want to just delete them from my map, but there's also no way to mark them as "done."

>>528870003
I think there is a mod that automatically tracks new journal entries (you can specify which categories) and disables tracking after you visit them. Never used it though, I'm not that autistic.

>>528870717
So do you just delete them from your map when you're done with them? I guess I'll just do that but I wasn't sure if there were any downsides to that.

roguelikes for this feel?

>>528870003
You can highlight any journal entry on your map. I like to highlight my quests when I get them and then remove the highlight when they're done.

>>528870003
For every ruin you explore, turn up the vibration setting on your buttplug, so the more intensely its vibrating, the more Qud you’ve played.

when you rougelike

roguelikes with a brainrot mechanic?

>>528874690
rl the rl

>>528874690
/rlg/

Does everyone use tiled as the base map editors for CDDA?
I was trying to do it with raw files from json, imagine my surprise.

>>528877886
the trannies are developing their own map editor, BN edits the maps manually (yes)

>>528878186
ah...that explains a lot.

>>528778067
Can't you copy underrail's shields?

>>528809010
Trash replacement for the transmutation spells.
They come in artifact which you will need because transforming melds equipment slots and mutations. It's really badly designed.

>>528881349
I just looked it up and holy crap
in development since 2008 phew
looked at the shields at the wiki, if I understand it correctly they just introduce 6 types of attack speeds instead of 2 (I decided I'll go with slow projectiles and fast projectiles, fast projectiles=100% defense, slow projectiles=50-70% defense)
both underrail and me are ripping off dune

>>528881731
>both underrail and me are ripping off dune
Yep. Underrail even has the gimmick where unarmed and melee attacks ignore shields partially or completely.

i am not actually 100% black btw. I lied.

Any African themed roguelikes? for the brothas and sistas of /rlg/?

i am 100% blacked

there will be no niggers in my game, only cute goblin-elf mutant humans

I just tried to kill the melded task force thing for the first time, beat it easily just with melee, but then I guess it teleported me under the facility in a basement subway area where all the doors were locked and broken and I had literally no way out. I eventually died while trying to escape by following the subway after using all of the hundreds of rounds of ammo I had on hand killing a billion mutants.

That's how it's supposed to work? You beat my special boss so now you get teleported immediately into guaranteed death? I guess that's """realistic"""? There goes my very, very long run I have been playing for weeks now.

Every time I have died in this game it has been to total bullshit like that, I think I'm done with it for good.

there should be a game with racist (but realistic) IRL race attribute system
Like how black you are should govern how resistant you are to the heat as well as how high you jump.

>be white
>no criminal record so eyebots and copbots aren't hostile to you

>>528897380
>eyebots and copbots aren't hostile to you
those aren't even in the game anymore, not 'realistic' enough.

>>528897438
Fork issue.

should grenades have an "activation" mechanic like it is in CDDA/BN or is it tedium
would you like CDDA/BN more if grenades were just throw and that's all?
should there be a delay before an explosion?

in rift wizard 2 is there a way to see items on the ground if they're covered by my minions?

>>528898368
No but there's a "pick up all" button and the minions gradually disappear on their own after the battle ends if you're extra paranoid.

>>528897201
Steamband.

>>528897723
what fork do I need to stop this from happening
>>528894162

another poll, does this equipment layout sound nice:
two weapon slots:
weapon slot
quivered slot

three equipment slots:
helmet
armor
accessory

now, the quivered slot is both for grenades and ammo (since there is more than one ammo type for each weapon, like FMJ JHP AP whatever. to choose which you are going to load just quiver it and press R. if the ammo is already loaded you can press S (alt. item action) to unload the gun. also, there will be no ammo mixing sadly so if you have 1 JHP round and 30 FMJ you'll first need to fire JHP then reload. if no ammo is quivered when reloaded the first one in inventory will be used. bows will act the same, preferring arrows in the quiver slot, if it's empty or has a grenade the first arrow stack in inventory will be used)

>>528898772
BN

>>528898224
the activation thing for grenades is more of a safety for the player I think. To prevent you from accidentally activating it when you were trying to eat or something.

You're right that it could be simplified by simply having grenades auto activate when you throw them.
As for the delay sometimes it's very helpful. like when you throw a grenade at a turret then sprint to safety.

>>528899013
>the activation thing for grenades is more of a safety for the player I think. To prevent you from accidentally activating it when you were trying to eat or something.
it'd be not required at all if activating grenade item did nothing
I think it's simpler when you just press T throwing the grenade and it explodes INSTANTLY
like
the delay only makes sense for edge cases when the enemies are far away (due to the large world and the chunking algorithm, you can't see very far in my game, e.g. look mode is restricted to the current viewport)

>>528898734
Darn, would be nice
There's a memory orb or two near me but I forgot the exact tile
and it'd be just enough to get a nice skill in the middle of this fight

>>528899260
You might be able to mouse over the tiles in question hoping to find a tooltip for the item. If it's buried behind the minion info then there should be a bit of reminder text at the bottom to press PgDn to see it.

>>528898964
Does BN have a wiki/database like the hitchhiker one?

>>528899871
https://cbn-guide.mythoscraft.org/

>>528899791
Ended up beating that level
Do wish there were a few QOL things like seeing items on the ground or mousing over tags. Like this one thing can turn my minions metallic. Great, what's metallic?
Also are shields just extra HP or do they prevent instances of damage?

>>528897438
cdda is a game made by an autistic tyrant
rogue survivor is a game made by a silly french man who loves to spread laughter and joy to all
unfortunately, roguedjack dissapeared off the face of his planet
and now his game lies stagnant
I suppose I am just annoying, annoying people about a game nobody has played in years or cares about anymore
but I loved that game, so much
oh well

C just about fucking works except when it doesn't
I just had a collision with gun vars, there was a function that returns a string for corresponding firemodes (single, burst, auto)
and it is fed the second var of all items because I'm not using OOP, then I needed to have a var for ammo type so I fucking forgot about var 2 and changed it so it fucking broke and sat there for 5 min straight
thanks for reading my blogpost
cerebral rlg development is progressing

Damn
Made it to level 19, learned poison prevents healing
used a golden stopwatch on the turn before I died but it didn't save me, one of my own dragons must've finished me off or something. Should've used it earlier.
Getting teleported by a hag then immediately blinded so I can't teleport back and poisoned so I can't heal sucked

okay I'm actually kinda lazy so the control scheme is as follows:
you select items from the inventory then press W to equip
equipped items can't be scrolled through as they are separate from the inventory (I don't like it but it's the only easy way, I want to ship a game..)
buttons 1-5 are to unequip items, (1 is weapon, 2 is quiver, 3 is helmet, 4 is armor, 5 is accessory)
it sounds really weird I wonder if it'll be comfortable

>>528914567
Ok 19 wow, that’s better than I’ve ever done, I’ve only ever gotten to 17 at most.

>>528917490
skill issue

this cataclysm tlg thing sounds pretty good, I just heard about it and am reading through the changelog. it has like 90% of changes I would want to dda. is anyone playing it or what?

>>528917490
Yeah I was definitely approaching the wall of my choices. Desperately trying to hold onto what items I had left. Fire was fun though and I can definitely see winning with that theme. Gonna try slime next.

Anyone ever play the netrunner android card game? I always thought something like that would make a good roguelike.
>play as the netrunner trying to hack into the corporate servers
>each time you jack in, it manifests as a dungeon
>based on the type, ICE can either manifest as bosses or mobs that you must defeat, or as puzzles/obstacles that you must overcome
>instead of getting loot, you steal software that you can install on your rig to gain new abilities
>you can also steal money from corporate bank accounts and use it to buy new hardware for your rig, which might manifest as improved movement speed or attack damage when you’re netrunning
Anyway, there’s my million dollar idea. I’ve kept it in my head for years but I’ve finally accepted that I’m too dumb to be a game dev, so maybe someone else will make it.

>>528920037
you're better off joining their discord if you want to follow it. Personally i think the character control swapping and addition of grappling are great changes, and the ambitious scale of the project is admirable, but I'm waiting for it to bake a bit more.

>>528929040
the thing I'm most interested in about it is all the de-bloating unironically. cutting stupid pointless shit like hummingbirds and a billion varieties of clothing and the dumb graded steel stuff is enough to make me interested in it alone. all the mechanical changes sound good to me too particularly reworking armor and removing the bullshit attacks from enemies that arbitrarily have a billion armor penetration.

I just installed it to test and used debug to get all the crafting recipes, and I noticed that a lot of the armors were cleaned up so they don't conflict for no reason e.g. removing hip and shoulder coverage from certain chest pieces so you can actually use them in a practical armor setup. another good change.

the graded steel thing is such a perfect example of the cancer in dda, pisses me off to no end. It's been in the game forever now and there's been like 5 updates trying to switch fully over to the graded steels and it STILL isn't fully complete. For extra irony the way they implemented steel variety isn't even """"""realistic""""" either.

>>528930707
does TLG have pockets?
why not just BN? is TLG just BN with pockets

>>528931404
not really, I just tried both after deciding I'm done with dda. BN seems like it's derived from a much older version of cataclysm. TLG is basically like modern dda except with a fuckton of the cancerous bullshit removed or reworked, and has some of its own unique additions on top of that.

Anybody ever play Uplink or Hacker Evolution? They are sort of rogue adjacent..

>>528930707
>the graded steel thing is such a perfect example of the cancer in dda, pisses me off to no end. It's been in the game forever now and there's been like 5 updates trying to switch fully over to the graded steels and it STILL isn't fully complete. For extra irony the way they implemented steel variety isn't even """"""realistic""""" either.
graded steel? what the fuck? did they introduce mild and other types of steel? with them breaking correctly depending on how you attack with it?

>>528930707
>the thing I'm most interested in about it is all the de-bloating unironically.
My holy grail for cataclysm de-bloating would be to completely gut and rework how mutations and martial arts work. the autistic screeching would be biblical so it will never happen but still. imo the animal based 'trees' for mutations are clumsy as fuck and make the entire mutation mechanic play like shit. there's way too many trees with too few interesting mutations to go between them, unfortunately it stinks like yet another gameplay element that is included because it's a barely disguised form of the developers fetishes. So many of them are so ruinously debilitating that there is no reason to ever use them unless you happen to love jerking off to the idea of becoming a fucking frog or whatever.
similar thing for martial arts, if there is a single person out there that can explain exactly how each martial art works and where they are best used I would be shocked, it's such a tangled rat's nest of a mess. they should gut the entire thing and instead make it so you learn techniques from books or whatever, and increasing melee/unarmed levels unlock more technique slots. so like a martial arts manual teaches you grab break or disarm or sweep attack and at level 5 melee you have 3 technique slots to plug them into.

What's the actual reason that Kevin guy just removes everyone's content? Is it just so his git hub looks like it has activity so he gets hired for a job?

>>528934769
they did introduce steel types but also did it extremely stupidly. Instead of using IRL classes of steel like carbon steel, alloy steel and tool steel they instead use mild, 'medium' whatever that means, 'high' an even stupider one, 'hardened' and 'tempered'. aka they got one of their clowns to skim the wiki page for heat treating and implemented a sprawling cancerous system of different steel grades that they still have not fully implemented in game yet years later.
For example there are a ton of repair recipes that still require the generic old chunks of steel, but the only way to get generic chunks of steel is to find random old objects that they haven't updated the deconstruct recipes on to use the new graded steels.

even worse is that the whole system serves 0 gameplay purpose. It's so trivially easy to leapfrog all of the lesser grades of steel that there is zero reason to ever make anything except tempered or maybe hardened if you really really don't want to grind fabrication skill. So all you get out of the whole mess is 5x the recipes for everything to bloat the crafting menu even more than it already was.

>>528935442
holy shit it's almost like cataclysm is designed to fail
they're so good at failing at everything they do

>>528934839
It's his little kingdom and he rules as he pleases

in CDDA Zombies that shoot projectiles have perfect aim even if you are in a roof or crouching feels completely unrealistic.

>>528935739
They even took it a step further at some point recently. They implemented faults for melee weapons like how faulty engines work, so you need specific tools and materials to mend them. and it confusingly works in parallel to the old health bar durability that everything else uses, when the weapon takes durability damage it gains a fault, and you can repair a weapon's durability with a welder or whatever but the fault will persist which all nerf damage.

But it gets even worse than that, because for bladed weapons they implemented faults of 'crack' and 'broken blade' which are impossible to repair. In other words, when your fancy tempered steel sword that takes over an in game day to craft inevitably takes durability damage, there is a pretty high chance that it will randomly be irreparably broken forcing you to make a new one.

>>528937559
funnily enough this is another thing that TLG addressed.

They will never add enough content to justify putting a new version on steam so they can make money.

>>528937559
DDAcult thinks aimbot exists IRL so dodge and terrain has no impact on any sufficiently fast projectiles whatsoever.

DoomRL? Jupiter Hell? Jupiter Hell Classic? christ... which one should I play?

>>528942158
Jupiter Hell is DoomRL with more dungeon branches and with copyrighted material removed, otherwise they’re identical

is the cdda codebase that fucked up at this point. why is it so hard to change

>>528914334
>I'm not using OOP
Fault
So you have a function that takes var2 of all items and returns the firing type? Does every item in your game have some sort of ID and is that what you mean by var2? I'm curious what kind of structure you're using

malcolm vs 3 devs, who would win?

>t t makes the devs go berserk
>devs can silence him though, but only in their vaults
>they are immune to cleave
>he already autoexplored into 2 other devs, but they were dead already. creepy vault, to say the least

>>528924940
That's a fucking awesome idea.

>>528945363
it's probably a contender for the most complex game ever made, I can see why it's a problem.
you probably have to compare it to professional flight simulators or something like that for something of comparable complexity.

I suppose there is no more a fitting end than death by slime for my slime wizard. The big beelzebub boss motherfucker wasn't even the problem.
Word of Chaos+Chaos Casting is a pretty nice combo since it just lets me nuke and stun the entire screen several times. Must've used it like 6 times here, with echoing chaos making it 12. Most likely could've cleared this level too, had I used it more sparingly.

>>528952120
Are the blood slimes fleshbound?

>>528953615
If you mean the ones filling the screen, those are red slimes with ranged fire attacks; more importantly they're immune to poison which means they beat my own slime army easily. 800 something hp imp spawners got the slimy modifier, so both them and the imps they summon spawned red slimes whenever they took damage.

>>528952120
I can feel the lag in this screenshot.

In the Nethack graphical tileset, is it possible to make the display bigger? Everything I've read tells me to right click the top of the screen and open properties, but there is no properties option in the drop down menu.

Can you do this in DDA?
If not, then it's not realistic enough.

>>528944125
The classes and the weapon modding systems are pretty different as well.

I use vi keys

does jupiter hell have revolvers

>>528967832
Yes, the scout starts with one.

>>528957068
>right click the top of the screen and open properties
isn't that for changing font size in cmd?

>>528975368
I will now buy your game for 7 dollars 49 cents

anyone played Lost Flame? Still EA but it's received steady updates and sound s really promising

this headache is killing me roguelike style

Is it a good idea to go to a park and try talking with random lone females? I direly need some relatively friendly social interactions.

>>528976547
Ah, Lost Flame, the formerly-a-roguelike that has a big focus on weapon-based moves and dodging via moving out of where they’re going to strike their weapon. Very dark souls reminiscent in atmosphere and even mechanically kinda.

>>528977891
Unfortunately no, that’s kinda creepy. But to be fair, once I was so lonely I did do something kinda worse. In college I took a nap I knew that a sorority was going to have a meeting in later so that they’d have to wake me up and kick me out and that way a girl would speak to me. Instead they wound up moving rooms.

>>528978481
*in a room that I knew a meeting would be taking place in later

>>528978289
>formerly
Did they change something major?

>>528948673
hahahaha holy shit what a tard
cdda codebase hardly is more complex than average business crud codebase
its architecture is relatively well thought-out, you'll find more complex codebases in much simpler games

90% of the problems people whine about don't even touch the codebase but are purely content issues

>>528977891
depends on how attractive you are

>>528980464
Yeah in an update they made the default gamemode no longer permadeath, you respawn at the last bonfire. You have to unlock the ability to play it as a roguelike by getting to some point in the game.

>>528982775
which also means the game will not be balanced as a roguelike. Unavoidable deaths aren't than much of a problem if you can just reload

>>528983376
I don’t know what they’ve changed since that update, but it was a roguelike for most of its life, so most of the design is still probably around that.

>>528934769
>did they introduce mild and other types of steel?
That they did.
>with them breaking correctly depending on how you attack with it?
No, the fault system is still pure bullshit.
The best example is that if you take an AR15 lower receiver (picrelated) and bash zeds with it to train rifle CQB, it will develop various jams like doublefeeds and stovepipes despite not having any ammo, mag, barrel or chamber. Too bad you can't generate casings/ammo out of thin air with this bug.

>>528935442
Those are real steel grades though. Mild steel, medium carbon steel and high carbon steel. I think they went with those casual designations because using SAE grades would have been too specific and autistic.
The shit you describe is pointless. 90% of the generic steel recipes couldn't be used with tool steel.

>even worse is that the whole system serves 0 gameplay purpose. It's so trivially easy to leapfrog all of the lesser grades of steel that there is zero reason
That's not true though, right now the major gameplay impact is that maintaining various vehicle components takes different grades of steel.
So you have to have working knowledge of where to source them. (In DDA world rules--the core design goals of "verisimilitude" and "problems should have realistic solutions" fail hard here)

In hindsight I gotta say that splitting AR15 pattern rifles into lowers and uppers was a fucking retarded idea.

It's a neat idea on paper but in practice it's done from a retarded burger-legalese standpoint. The cataclysm doesn't care if the lower receiver is the legally registered firearm, it's not a gun. It's not anything but a weird piece of metal.

is Project Zomboid catching up to CDDA with all its mods? I saw Youtube of servers simulating actual cities with merchants industry and stuff.

>>528984952
Nah, they're still very different games.
Zomboid is a classic zombie apocalypse in rural 90s setting. A realtime multiplayer ARPG with handcrafted map.
Meanwhile Cataclysm is a futuristic interdimensional scifimagic "all the apocalypses at once" setting. A procgenned roguelike.

Feature-wise I've cata is way behind in the whole long-term post-apoc survival sim thing.
There's no erosion/nature growth system like in Zomboid.
Even multiple years into the cataclysm, newly generated maps still spawn fresh food that should have gone off ages ago. Some perishables stay good forever. You can dump food into basecamp storage where it is abstracted into not much more than a single calorie value and is magically accessible through any of your camps.
Newly generated maps also now have those panicking human NPCs, as if the apocalypse happened just minutes ago. CDDA is getting worse.

But Zomboid will never have 90% of Cataclyms's features, given its setting.
No CBMs, no mutations, no laser guns and other scifi devices, no mi-gos, no tears in reality spewing nether monsters, no triffids, no fungaloids, no zombie evolution/variety, no sprawling scifi labs twisted by dimensional fatigue, no aircraft carriers telestormed into a lake, and so on.
Modders can add a thing or two but the focus is always going to be different.

>>528987453
>I've cata is
i've found cata is*

>>528984562
>Those are real steel grades though. Mild steel, medium carbon steel and high carbon steel
It's a dumb way to use steel grades. The significance of carbon content in steel is simply how hard it can he heat treated, higher carbon = higher hardness potential. This is a pretty stupid way to have your graded steel system in a video game work because it's simultaneously hyper specific enough to distinguish between various carbon contents of steel and not specific enough that it misses entire broad classes of steel like alloy steel and stainless which are extremely common grades.
And the inclusion of "hardened" and "tempered" grades show they really have no clue. Any kind of steel that is heat treated is going to be both hardened and tempered. You can't leave a heat treated part in the dead hard as quenched state for any application because it would break instantly, tempering isn't some mystical practice it's literally standard and necessary for any kind of heat treatment.

>>528984562
>>528991351

And fyi
>90% of the generic steel recipes couldn't be used with tool steel.
This is also exactly true of high carbon steel except even worse. High carbon steel is nigh impossible to weld just like cast iron and is literally not used almost ever in the modern day except for what, making fancy kitchen knives and hand files? Even hand files are made by case hardening in many cases.

And also is the point not that you SHOULDN'T be able to make every recipe with every kind of steel? I'm pretty sure if you are autisitcally gonna simulate different steel grades the literal point should be that you can't make everything out of any steel.
Sure you can't make a vehicle frame out of tool steel, but you sure as hell could make your fancy katana out of it and would even be thematically appropriate for making a super high end weapon since tool steel is so high performance and so difficult to find laying around in large quantities in the apocalypse.

It's very, very apparent that the steel grade system was made by someone that has ZERO personal experience with metalworking and their idea of "realism" came from reading a wikipedia article one time, just like every other "realism" mechanic.

>>528991464
>It's very, very apparent that the steel grade system was made by someone that has ZERO personal experience with metalworking
Wait, are you trying to tell me that autistic basement dwelling faggots who develop videogames DO NOT work for 5 years in the bao gang steel mill before implementing crafting systems in their roguelikes? Next you're going to tell me that developers don't do 20 years in the military with at least 2 combat deployments before they start to ponder what stats the guns should have in their game. Scandalous.

roguelikes?

>>528992386
It's called staying in your lane, if you are gonna ruin your game by adding an absurdly annoying and autistic material grading feature that makes your crafting system even more of a nightmare in the name of realism you should at least make sure there is a fucking point to doing it and ideally also serve the gameplay.

what's a-
what's a-
what's a-
what's a roguelike
roguelike

what's a roguelike like?
Like rogue.

what's it like to hold hand of someone you love?
Roguelike.
>Like rogue

Woah buddy, we are not meant to go above page 8. Hold your horses.

>>528984562
>right now the major gameplay impact is that maintaining various vehicle components takes different grades of steel.
ironic because basically every steel component on cars is made out of basic mild steel. Even the engine block is made of aluminum on most modern cars. The only components on cars I can think of off hand that are made out of any kind of heat treated steel are like the connecting rods, cam shaft and crank. And funnily enough those are made out of various kinds of alloy steel and not even carbon steel lmao. I guess the bolts and shit are alloy steel too but you have to cut off the autism somewhere.

What components in game require you to use high carbon steel to repair?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSJbRk0tv7g

don't worry nigger it's all shitposts

deals on rapelikes with traditional roguelike elements?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1178790/Shiren_the_Wanderer_The_Tower_of_Fortune_and_the_Dice_of_Fate/

>>528994128
I remember when I bought this on Switch, I was googling it and found ign forums or something and it was mainly one autist posting relentlessly about it for years
sad stuff

>>528994224
was it any fun though?

>>528994304
not that guy but a lot of the reviews are claiming that it is a bad port with crashes that resets your progress

>>528994304
yeah it's really hard and has a lot of depth

>>528984562
>The best example is that if you take an AR15 lower receiver (picrelated) and bash zeds with it to train rifle CQB, it will develop various jams like doublefeeds and stovepipes despite not having any ammo, mag, barrel or chamber. Too bad you can't generate casings/ammo out of thin air with this bug.

So yet another problem introduced by the faggot ass upper and lower thing for ARs they implemented. You STILL can't mount ARs, the literal most common weapon in the game, on vehicles because some jackass decided he wanted to implement upper swapping after learning about it for the first time from a garand thumb video.
There's nothing I want more in my video game than to break important features and introduce all kinds of problems to simulate the ability to change the barrel length on my rifle by a few inches at a time. It was absolutely necessary to include the ability to swap a 16" midlength upper from a gun store AR on my military M4, that +1 damage changes the whole game.

theme of roguelike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXfDPbFqwY

I love roguelikes so much bwos

>>528994349
videogame in the TRASH and now i'm looking at Steinsgate My Darling's Embrace what if i really want to bang a waifu whenever i play that i need to buy this subgame right fucking now at 80% i can't afford not to buy it look in the background there's one with red hair cones how can we say no

>>528995181
RED
FUCKING
HAIR
CONES
ROGUELIKE'D

>>528995181
>forever hag
NEED

are we being raided

>>528995485
can't a person talk about roguelikes in this here roguelikatorium ohhhhhhhhh you made me so mad i just added Nox Archaist to my cart damn you anon or heh heh @ as us rogueliktivists say eh? heh heh heh

Isn't it just nice to be normal?
I love being normal.

>>528996303
you know what? i've had strawberry shortcake for my birthday for as long as i can remember. my birthday falls in the spring and it always just tastes so fucking good on a pleasantly cool day to mow down on a big bowl of strawberries and shortbread and whipped cream especially when you let the strawberries macerate first with some sugar and oh my god add in some lemon or lime, just a tiny bit but that helps bring the berries out even more in the cream and i'm telling you anon it's just a very nice time

FURTHER SHALL I ADD: has darkgod made any noise on the damn tome expansions yet

retards

>>528996592
darkgod identifies as blackgod now and as any 100% black man he refuses to work

lost flame

>>528976547
it's very good

this is the weirdest fucking general

>>528946698
>Fault
>So you have a function that takes var2 of all items and returns the firing type? Does every item in your game have some sort of ID and is that what you mean by var2? I'm curious what kind of structure you're using
all items are the same typedef'd struct that has a type and flag1-flag4
flags are used depending on the item type
e.g. if the item is stackable flag1 is used for the amount
if the item is a gun flag1 is used for current ammo, flag2 is used for the firemode, flag3 is used for the current ammo type
so yeah all items regardless of type take up 10 WHOLE FUCKING bytes (what a waste!) per item in memory

>>528998727
just make a post about roguelikes
it drives the resident losers insane

gnostic roguelikes?

>>529003515
I want to do this since gnostic art looks cool
I have no idea what the religion is about other than the funny lion snake guy

>>529003569
it's weirdo primordial versions of Christianity that existed before catholicism won the theological conflict and consolidated christianity.

>>529003515
Quasimorph

>>528924940
Thanks for sharing your idea anon. I've had a desire to make the Liberal-Crime-Squad / Cogmind "cyberpunk city" crime roguelike for a very long time now but it always dies due to scope creep. Maybe I should steal your idea and create a tiny tiny slice of my dream game before trying and failing again

>>528932598
I played both during my "cool hacker" phase as a teen 10 years ago, Hacker Evolution isn't randomly generated at all though and basically just a linear game and HackNet does everything HE does but better and prettier and flashier and is more captivating and doesn't outstay its welcome.
Uplink is a classic but suffers from most roguelikes issues where once you figure out the game loop there's no challenge anymore

>>528934783
Honestly I just want 0.C with fun drugs back. The most fun I ever had in CDDA was 10 years ago when I was doing meth and coke at the same time to get my INT up to 17 to chop my arm off and install a bionic and everything since then has just been a cope for the fact that Zomboid's decision to make bites one-shots is more anti-fun than anything the CDDA could add or remove to the game, and the entire game is balanced around that reality. I don't even care about hard coded maps since the map is huge or the fact it takes them 12 years to implement cars

>>528934839
Someone on the subreddit said that Kevin apparently paid more attention to the game/repo than to his marriage and he got divorced as a result of it
Shame that the obsessive energy isn't even making the game better but actually just making it worse

>CDDA has boring/frustrating but unrealistic gameplay element
Crickets from CDDA devs

>CDDA has fun, entertaining but unrealistic gameplay element
screeching and immediate fixing/nerfing

>>529007853
Sounds like he's just gay and he needs an excuse to come out

>>529007853
>and he got divorced as a result of it
haha wait wait wait

Did el gordo grande's wife actually divorce him

yeah no I don't see anything about it you got me excited for nothing

>>529007162
>I don't even care about hard coded maps since the map is huge
unironically a static map is better than randomly generated. how many times have you played cdda and ended up driving for hours on end hoping for whatever specific location you need to spawn. even when you get lucky with the map generation and spawn on top of some loot pinata it just kind of cheapens the experience and incentivizes rerolling your start location to get a good one.

>>529007162
>>529009526
I still have never seen ocean in game speaking of this. I think I started 3 different runs with the specific goal of reaching the ocean and never managed it because I got bored of driving east forever or died before getting there.

>>529009820
I thought the megaocean/biomes weren't implemented just yet?

>>529009220
I didn't see anything directly, just a comment on one of the posts seething about the killer drive changes saying he saw someone commenting claiming to be Kevin's wife and even though Kevin was also commenting in the same thread he didn't deny it

>>529009526
CDDA's mapgen is one of the coolest things about it, but I also agree that it's not necessary and a waste of potential when you run into fundamental issues like the reality bubble and fresh cakes being generated 1 year into the game

I'd want to see the next generation of text-only rogue likes taking advantage of the fact that they're only text to be able to randomly generate unique and interesting NPCs with some LLM powered integration

>>529010465
>I thought the megaocean/biomes weren't implemented just yet?
They implemented ocean a while ago, at least supposedly they did like I said I have never seen it myself lol.

>>529010924
I genuinely cannot remember any features I enjoyed or welcomed or cared about other than pockets since 0.D
The game stopped being !fun! right around when ammo stopped exploding in a fire and killing you

>>529010465
>just a comment on one of the posts seething about the killer drive
Post it.

>>529009089
what is the backstory behind this guy anyway, how did he end up as the authority over the game, it was originally created by a completely different person correct?

>>529012673
It was a long time ago, a young Kevin aspired to be a painter ...

>>529012673
cataclysm was always a community effort
he just happened to be a contributor with something akin to leadership energy

>>529012673
>what is the backstory behind this guy anyway
That would take too long to explain but he decided to make a kickstarter for a 15 year old open source sandbox zombie survival roguelike made by Whales

The guy who made the fork was The Darkling Wolf, who used to post in rlg
Kevin really just picked the fork from him, condemned thedarklingwolf into damnation memoriae (he is only known if you go as far as 12 years ago in the revisions for the roguebasin article) as I did here

basically what he did was raise some money for a fork someone else already did the code for and he thought "we'll give this coer like 15 K $ and he'll fix everything"

that was 12+ years ago
Turns out kevin aws actually a petty dictator and he only got worse over time

the game has been bloodlet since 2015
the group literally didn't fix anything for the most part
it's not even a roguelike anymore by the devteam's standards

>>529013091
shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about you disgusting filthy retard

ok but who's CleverRaven

org name

All open-world sandbox games eventually devolve into slop. Let's be real. Modders keep that shit fun and alive not the original devs.

>>529013621
well yeah dda is a mod

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/471

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/kyratzestalvadore/

https://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=User:The_Darkling_Wolf&oldid=31031

>>529013709
It goes original game turns slop/abandoned -> Modders take over as new owners -> Games turns into slop -> new modders take over. Repeat.

Renech is a giant faggot

>>529012612
Can't find it, too bad redditRemoved websites no longer work. Either way it's too late now. I want 0.C with pockets and more content, not less, and more random encounters hordes/bandits but the game has been moving away from that towards their unknown Kevin direction for over half a decade at this point so it's over. I'd rather just try and fail to start making my cyberpunk city rogue like for the 20th time

i think op should mention there is elin/elona dedicated general over at /jp/

>>529015520
shush, this is the containment thread for slavic misery
it shall not spread outwards

>>529015520
I think I should mention that you should shut the fuck up this is the vatnik containment thread

>>529013130
>"we'll give this coer like 15 K $ and he'll fix everything"
Funny how (according to kevin) he did offer money to three different coders that each looked at the code and instantly dropped all contact even before taking any money.
So he was left with kickstarter money to burn and no coders for hire were willing to even talk to him anymore, so he tried to set up community bounty system, which nobody ever cared about.
What even happened to the money in the end?

>>529017632
cheeseburgers, probably

>>529012673
He was there when Whales/Darkling left and made a bunch of big (false) promises to win popular support. Basically the right place right time guy.

>>529013091
Leaders nowadays are a bunch of useless frauds, so in a sense you're correct.

>>529013130
Even back then nobody liked him, but his lunacy didn't dominate the development environment around the game and actually positive updates like tileset support, starting backgrounds, and gameplay-relevant content were being introduced.

>>529017632
>What even happened to the money in the end?
One coder actually sticked and he used up all the money.

non-intrusive gun/weapon maintenance mechanic Y/N
just like in fallout 3: can combine two weapons to merge their condition depending on repair skill, repair kits will also be available
at worst condition damage will be reduced by 30% so that it's not that bad

>>529021582
Quasimorph basically did this with disassembly, and as far as I know it worked out fine.

>>529021138
I'd be pretty surprised if Kevin actually contributed to tileset support at all.

Did cave of qud modding community die after 1.0 or something? Most mods seems to be dead and not working on latest version

Did you guys hear about jupiter hell classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYuitCpfik

no one is even updating CDDA anymore with meaningful updates its all just removing stuff or renaming stuff.

>>529029291
Yes, but it's months away.

finally dusting off my old copy of Forays into Norrendrin again.
so far, I'm getting good mileage out of my bow and keeping enemies away from me with utility spells. I want to get oil-puddle and firestarter spell, not because it's optimal but because I remember it being fun (until you accidentally light yourself on fire)

>>529033701
Neat, haven't played this before
what utility spells do you have?

>>529035060
I mainly used to fly over dangerous terrain to slow down enemies. Traps and poppy fields (which put enemies to sleep) were good enough for the first levels.
Now I can make burning oil puddles for 2 casts.
Shadowsight allows you to see in the dark, I'll have to test whether enemies can retaliate outside of their line of sight. The way this game is designed, I think not.

>>529035692
first groups of cultists showing up, unluckily for me I ran into them around a corner. They run up to you and allahu akbar set themselves on fire. Kiting them into unexplored territory, hopefully nothing shows up

laying groundwork for bows and crossbows.. with sounds! I noticed that the game becomes at least 30% more satisfying when all actions have a sound

>>529036023
the enemies are starting to become noticeably harder. This means stealth will become much more important soon.
Got an unlucky powerup, having to decide between stealth and magic. I probably shouldn't ever skip magic, because I get 5 extra mana per powerup, which compounds in a game where you can rest only once per floor.

I read the OP but I'm going to ask anyway.
I have an old fort from a pre-steam release version of Dwarf Fortress, and I want to pick it back up. But I can only play on a laptop with no numpad. Can anyone point me to a control scheme that will work?

>>529004032
not a roguelike
Quasimorph will never be a roguelike

>>529037310
Wouldn't arrow keys work? Not like you need diagonals in fort mode

WHY
NO
HEXAGONAL
ROGUELIKES
?

>>529039485
would be annoying af to control wouldnt it

>>529037869
I used diagonals for designations a whole lot, I dig big and don't do squares. But the + - and * / are a bigger pain. Even with a decade of muscle memory I would often hit the wrong ones to scroll a menu before hitting the right ones. I can rebind them myself but I've never played without a numpad and was hoping someone would have a line on a tried and tested interface.txt for numpadless keyboards.

>>529039612
well, if it's an option you can get a usb numpad for a couple bucks

>>529029291
Why are they making it an entirely new game instead of an optional graphics mode for Jupiter Hell? That seems super dumb to me.

>>529040054
>why doesnt a dev team of a single person working on their game that made 15 grand give their work away for free like the 200 dev studios that made 600 million dollars do
bruh moment

>>529037131
I died with heal wounds potion in my inventory, very stupid death.

>>529039725
I'm traveling indefinitely and everything I own has to fit into 55L of backpack. I tried to find a membrane usb numpad just for DFing before I started, but failed. I doubt a mechanical one will handle being squished in a bag for days at a time even if I can make room for it. If I can't work out some satisfying keybinds maybe I'll try anyway.

I'd rather hang myself than play games on a l*ptop

>>529040683
Its going to be the exact same game though, so I don’t see why anyone would buy that. If they made a new roguelike and charged for it, that would make perfect sense, but its not.

do you agree that being able to see flat weapon/item stats breaks immersion?
like, even if there's a cool description but afterwards there's a lame line: DAMAGE: 20
I think a good way is to write good item descriptions and apply common sense

>>529042587
Disagreed, flavor texts are gay

>>529044886
what if it describes the weapon damage without numbers?

>>529045202
>>529042587
obfuscating mechanics isn't enjoyable for the player, it'll just lead to a wiki article about what each description actually means

>>529042587
obfuscating stats is a retarded move that has killed the business of many previously prominent game developers

>>529042587
Perhaps, but immersion generally isn't why people play roguelikes.

>>529045305
>>529045585
>>529046112
yeah but the twist is that you can't know for sure because decompiling the game takes time
though I want the enemy HP to be visible so obfuscating damage is useless
the most advanced combat system I've seen in a game was obfuscated (lifeweb)

>>529046959
don't have to reverse engineer a damn thing, stuff like damage is easily tested or changed with a memory editor like cheat engine.

but feel free to be a retarded faggot
it doesnt matter because you'll never make anything worthwhile

>>529047307
>don't have to reverse engineer a damn thing, stuff like damage is easily tested or changed with a memory editor like cheat engine.
good luck finding damage in my code lol, if enemy HP is also obfuscated then you're out of luck
due to my autistic code structuring I'm pretty sure it's harder than in other games
also are you that crab or the other
why are you crabbing

>>529042587
your character should usually in world have an ability to examine and test the weapon much better than is implemented for the player, and lacking information that your character would obviously naturally acquire is immersion breaking.

>>529047603
>due to my autistic code structuring I'm pretty sure it's harder than in other games
I assure you, you're not special.

>>529050059
damage isn't anywhere in any of the allocated memory and it's static
and tell me why are you crabbing so hard, did you fail at making your game

>>529042587
All these people upset about obfuscated item stats when one of the cornerstones of roguelikes is unidentified items like potions or wands. This fucking gen

>>529047603
If you don’t want players minmaxing exact damage thresholds, add somewhat randomized damage. Uniform between a min and a max, dice distributions, whatever floats your boat. The damage can’t be datamined if the damage isn’t deterministic.

>>529050059
I disagree, he sure is special.

>>529050501
There’s two types of obfuscated item:
1. unknown potions and scrolls that you have to use to figure out the function of
2. cursed items that you can’t take off if you put on, and your character has an identification skill that will eventually reveal if the item is cursed or not

The first one is fun because it encourages experimentation, the second one isn’t because it demands waiting.

>>529050501
>>529050516
I mainly wanted to remove the option for players to minmax
it's just that, if something sucks in terms of damage you'll eventually notice it and it's a part of player experience

>>529050394
Holy shit, it *IS* an actual pajeet

>>529051130
if you think I don't understand that it's still in the process memory you're mistaken
it's not stored anywhere in the heap is what I'm trying to say
are you a programmer? I'm not a programmer but I understand how stuff works

>>529042587
yes, and character stats too. how am I supposed to be immersed my pixels when it says CON 16? it should say "healthy as a weak horse" or something like that. and CON 17 could be "almost as robust as a professional athlete". CON 18 "would probably survive ebola but it wouldn't be fun". frankly I'm for removing all numbers, like your fire mage isn't a surveyor, how the fuck does he know what depth he's at.
I guess you should still be able to count how many torches or murky potions are in your pack. but it'd be immersive as fuck if he'd forget every now and then and had to spend a turn to check and make sure.

>>529051515
you're taking it a step too far

>>529051515
>muh immersion
Not a roguelike
Do you enjoy playing games with the manual/wiki/source code always open in the background? Are you trying to surpass CDDA in tedium?

Alright
After actually reading some more of the spells, I've come up with a game-winning build for rift wizard 2. All I need is a lot of SP, and hopefully some luck with items... Then I shall crush my previous high score of level 20.
I also realized I should be rerolling every level if I don't see an item I want, especially early on when it's smooth sailing.

>>529060863
What’s the build plan?

>>529061820
Well mainly I realized that pyrostatic curse has an upgrade to lower fire resist by -50, so I'm going to try my fire build again. Before I was doing
>fireball
>immolate with dragonsoul upgrade to get fire drakes constantly
>eye of flame with immolate upgrade
>flame gate with eye upgrade so they all cast immolate basically, thus even more dragonsoul triggers
but the more I play the less I like drakes(bastards keep friendly firing me) so I may do something similar, except instead of dragonsoul I take a different immolate upgrade
If I get some of those trinkets that summon fire spirits again I'll lean into minions more with boiling blood and pyrophilia
Pyrophilia synergizes well with hemocorruption too, works great when my screen is full of fire spirits that all keep healing.

any good roguelikes on sale rn? hows tangledeep? rift wizard, shiren the wanderer? path of achra
i play brogue, shattered pixel dungeon and occasional dcss rn.

>>529063039
Try the scalespinner skill next time you go drakes, it’ll really help.

>>529063214
Some good ones are:
ToME
Rift Wizard 2
Zorbus
Golden Krone Hotel
Shadowed
Cogmind
Rogue Fable 4
Jupiter Hell
Path of Achra
Approaching Infinity
Dawn of the Mexica

And for games that play a lot like traditional roguelikes but let you save there’s:
Conquest of Elysium 5
Lost Flame
Doors of Trithius
Stoneshard

>>529063391
I'll give that a look, thanks. Definitely want to do a more dragon-centric build at some point. There's just so many spells/upgrades that I'm only reading a few per run instead of sitting down and poring over everything.

>>529063214
I didn't really enjoy tangledeep from what little I played of it, can't recall why. Rift wizard and path of achra are similar in that they're focused on builds and getting upgrades/items with each cleared level. Achra is really really easy the first few cycles and basically gets harder with each NG+ which I'm not a huge fan of. I prefer rift wizard 2 over achra so far.
For Shiren I'd recommend emulating them before buying any shoddy remakes. If you like the mystery dungeon formula they're great, personally recommend the 2nd game on the N64 which has an english fan translation.
Also Jupiter Hell is on sale if you're interested in DoomRL without the Doom.

>>529064148
>mystery dungeon formula
what is that? ive actually never heard of it until i saw the game mentioned in one of these threads

>>529064921
no idea, but given someone called Quasimorph, an extraction game, a mystery dungeon, I assume that mystery dungeon just means extraction game

>>529064921
Basically its own genre. Square rooms connected with halls, stairs go down. You level up and carry items, there's a story, also there's no permadeath so it's not 100% a roguelike, but it is simultaneous turn based. The pokemon mystery dungeon games and shiren the wanderer are popular examples, just look at gameplay from either of them and you know how the other plays.
https://youtu.be/qvtYQNlAXRs?t=1395

>>529063992
>>529065191
>>529065515
i bought ToME for now, that was very cheap and looks fun. quasimorph looks neat too but little outside my budget
mystery dungeon stuff seems cool, ill keep an eye out on them in the future

>>529002110
>flags are used depending on the item type
>e.g. if the item is stackable flag1 is used for the amount
>if the item is a gun flag1 is used for current ammo, flag2 is used for the firemode, flag3 is used for the current ammo type
Is there any type that doesn't use all 4 flags? Also just out of curiosity, is "consumable" a type in itself? Or would it be a flag of some supertype?

Anyways please keep posting about your progress I find it pretty cool and interesting

>10 bytes
Eh it doesn't matter no one even cares these days about using resources wildly. Actually heres a good read on that exact subject
>https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

>>529007853
Kek I saw that post yesterday too. Was gonna ask if anyone here had the alleged post where apparently his ex wife posted on the subreddit shitting on Kevin and he never even refuted it.

>>529042307
>Its going to be the exact same game though
They are demaking jupiter hell in doomrl engine, with doomrl mechanics like diagonal movement, but with jupiter hell multi level branches instead of one-off special levls etc.
Also they backport compatible engine changes into the free doomrl, that alone is worth my money.

If DCSS is open source what’s to stop me from making a new game but still using all the weapon and enemy stats exactly from dcss so it’s perfectly balanced

>>529050856
>>>529050516 #
>I mainly wanted to remove the option for players to minmax
Why? It's a single player game who cares? I personally don't usually min-max but I don't see why you'd go out of your way to make it harder for people who do want to. They'll always eventually figure it out anyways like >>529045305 said.
>>529042587
I despise when a game hides the numbers from me. I tolerate it in some genres but roguelikes or rpgs in particular I expect to see the stats. If I can't I'd probably just not play that game.

>>529075181
Nothing

>>529039485
hoplite nigger

>>529081567
I feel your pain, hexes are superior, but unfortunately only some tactical rpgs got the message and pretty much no roguelikes

>>529039485
>>529081751
Hex doesn't navigate well on a numpad.

>>529065515
the dungeons that play like a roguelike are usually unlocked in the endgame

>>529065515
mystery dungeon is pretty much the japanese equivalent of what a roguelike is

if i play a melee character I'm nigh guaranteed to at least get some runes in dcss but if I play caster I get shitted on

>oh this level has an item I really want, I wonder what the layout looks li-
understandable

>>529065515
Permadeath is a genre convention, not a genre definition. There is no game in existence that qualified or disqualified as a roguelike because of permadeath in particular.

>>529084767
I disagree, but this discussion has been done a million times. Permdeath or lack thereof affects the stakes and your approach to the game. And I didn't even say it wasn't a roguelike, I just said it's not 100% a roguelike. Which it isn't. Neither is Elona. You can still call it one and I won't jump down your throat about it.

>>529084559
casters are much easier to win in DCSS, especially some kind of conjurer

what are some fun classes in shattered pixel dungeon? i started with rogue because i felt like stealth was such a good skill for safety, but im kinda getting stuck around floor 11-13 and wanna change it up

>>529082003
and I hate that you need a numpad to play many roguelikes because I’m often stuck with just a laptop so don’t care

>>529084602
lmao

>>529085392
Stakes and approach are derived from player mindset, they are not a game mechanic and thus are irrelevant to what a game "is". Savescumming does not transform a roguelike into not a roguelike.
>I just said it's not 100% a roguelike
Because your definition is nonsensical and can't be used to make actual yes/no statements regarding definitions, and can only cope with no true scotsman fallacies.
>Elona
Of course you would pick a game that has a literal permadeath mode. I guess anything with a wizmode or amulets of life saving isn't "100% a roguelike" either.
>I won't jump down your throat about it.
There's nothing wrong with telling someone that's wrong that they're wrong on a discussion forum. It's the literal purpose of the platform. You don't do it because you know every single argument with this ends the same way, with you being wrong.

>>529087010
>he didn't intentionally buy a laptop with a numpad for this reason

>>529084602
Press that Mass Scourge button.

>>529087010
just use vi keys bruh it's better than numpad anyways and numpadtroons have long skeleton hands that filters them from vi supremacy

>>529087951
well in that case the vi keys can be adapted to hexes just as well

>>529087551
Permadeath is not the default mode therefore it is not balanced around it. ToME is balanced around "roguelike" as its default mode, for instance, Elona is not. You're getting really upset because I called mystery dungeon games not 100% roguelike in passing while helping someone who had a question. Too stupid for your own good. Find something else to do.

I support the berlin interpretation and trans rights.

>>529088683
so you’re double stupid

>>529088683
Just like wearing a dress doesn’t make you a woman, being ascii doesn’t make you a roguelike. You’re too focused on surface appearances.

>>529088596
"Balanced around" is a statement of developer intent, what developers intends has no part in categorizing what a developer made . Case in point: every indie dev idiot who thinks his platformer is a "roguelike". Defaulting to strawman fallacies and pointless insults because you can't stand up for your own point of view is very low class and low IQ. Take your own advice.

What's wrong with the berlin interpretation?

>>529089398
It's anti semitic

>>529089398
It doesn't establish a definition, it lists a bunch of roguelike genre conventions and says that if you grab enough of them you'll be a roguelike, a lot like a man trying to become a woman by copying superficial things like permadeath.

Is "rogue" a roguelike?

I usre love playing my hecking D&D gamezorg!

https://youtu.be/fD4iVonPFl8?si=3NfNql6GaZk2wHBA

>>529090446
Rogue is a tactical RPG in which you directly control only a single unit, and exploration is done on the battle map.

>>529090446
A roguelike is like Rogue and since Rogue is literally Rogue it must be like Rogue so Rogue is a roguelike.

We need to go beyond roguelike
Roguelove

>how it feels going back to roguelikes where mobs don’t have the “attack of opportunity” from dcss

>>529098775
>spear gnoll on d:1
>attacks of opportunity nonstop from 2 spaces away
>no potions or scrolls identified, gl noob

Well, I reached Mordred. I was whooping his ass too and most levels before this because of this crazy pyrostatic curse feedback loop. Right as I got him down to no reincarnations left he teleported within a few tiles of me so I thought:
>hm, he can do a lot of damage, I'll use a golden stopwatch to be safe
then he killed me
that's the second time I've died the turn after using what seems like the rarest "I win" item in the game. Kind of a bummer desu. I might've won if I just attacked instead and killed him since I had quick cast on my fire spells anyway.
Straight from max health too, so my health potions were worthless.
Notes to self, focus on getting over 200 max hp next run, or get some kind of spell that provides SH.

>>529072731
>Is there any type that doesn't use all 4 flags? Also just out of curiosity, is "consumable" a type in itself? Or would it be a flag of some supertype?
some items don't use flags at all, correct
an item is defined by its type (if there is no type the item isn't present in the array)
this type is then used in several functions that return the: item name, item visuals (foreground, background, symbol), item description (static string, though I want to display item stats so I'll sprintf the item description into a buffer along with item damage (another function) and output that instead)
>https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/
good read, my thoughts exactly
>>529075293
>I despise when a game hides the numbers from me. I tolerate it in some genres but roguelikes or rpgs in particular I expect to see the stats. If I can't I'd probably just not play that game.
is damage in general needed or do you want to see what constitutes it? e.g. if it gets multiplied/increased by attribute stats so it's like 10 base + 5 attribute + 5 critical or whatever

>>529084767
>mental illness is a thread convention, not a thread definition. Just because the majority of people in rlg are mentally ill doesn't mean everyone here in mentally ill in particular.

>>528984952
Zomboid desperately needs some enemy variety. There are no surprises in the world of zomboid. Unfortunately its devs are the laziest niggers on Earth so that will never happen.

>>529109146
Golden stopwatch has never saved me either lol

>>529089947
Women don't have permadeath? That explains so much.

Are there any games that escape the meta of "hold tab/autoexplore/zap for an hour mindlessly past shitloads of harmless filler enemies, whoops looks like you weren't paying attention for one second and something actually dangerous appeared and killed you in 2 turns"?

>>529124403
Plenty of games like that, anon.
They are called not-a-roguelikes.

>>529124403
Brogue, Sil, plenty of others
just avoid *bands

>>528582023
The workdmap patrols are annoying af.

what stat should influence ranged damage? dexterity or intelligence? since it's not about how you aim but at what you aim I think it makes sense for it to be intelligence

>>529138016
check the mass shooter demographic and ask yourself if they are good at basketball

Roguelikes have to be tile based and turn based

If not, then Super Hexagon is a roguelike

If not turn based, then DF fortress mode with 1 dwarf and no migrants is a roguelike, or CDDA with that old real time mod

I think tile based is the #1 thing that separated roguelikes from roguelites and is more important than any other qualifier, more than procedural generation or permadeath. Second most important is tile based.

>>529138016
I don't know why anyone makes range damage affected by stats. Completely unrealistic makes no sense. Give heavy guns a strength requirement and give them penalties to sight/perception and otherwise don't fuck with ranged damage

>>529138440
Cannot believe this post got removed. Fuck the jannies

>>529138440
we're talking about a game here
their accuracy is good but not the actual aim
accuracy = whether you hit or not
damage = WHERE you aim
>>529138625
why was the post removed...
idk it's a game after all? melee damage is influenced by strength, bow damage is influenced by strength AND intelligence and gun damage is influenced is influenced by intelligence
it just makes the stat useful, does it not?
and it's not like its +100% maybe if the average damage for a gun is 20 and you apply your stat to that it's like 20+5..

Also I completely reject the idea that a win or end condition is required for the definition of roguelike. Calling unreal world or cdda or adventure mode not a roguelike just because there isn't a single line of code setting an arbitrary limit that you can often ignore with an "endless mode" has nothing to do with game mechanics

>>529138783
You don't need to have an intelligence stat in your game just for the sake of it, anon. If it's not doing anything then you can take it out.
Melee and bow damage being affected by strength makes sense
Guns being impacted by intelligence does not. You can affect damage PER SECOND with a perception stat that affects accuracy though, but there's no reason a guns bullets have more stopping power because your character reads Plato

>>529138943
>Guns being impacted by intelligence does not. You can affect damage PER SECOND with a perception stat that affects accuracy though, but there's no reason a guns bullets have more stopping power because your character reads Plato
well in my game intelligence isn't called intelligence, its WIA (Willpower, Insight, Awareness)
does it make more sense if it's called that way?
it's not about reading plato, it's about having the brain to aim for the head (for example)

>>529138462
The first tactical RPGs were just some games that copied Rogue but gave you control over multiple characters and made exploration modal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sISTQELZw2Y
Hence, roguelikes are just a subgenre of tactical RPGs, or vice/versa.

>>529139532
>roguelikes are just a subgenre of tactical RPGs
is Super Hexagon a tactical RPG?

>>529139102
Ok having the willpower to aim for the head is Critical Hit chance. Again, this is related to hit chance or damage per second, not actually gun damage

>>529140156
Obviously not, it's not even turn-based.

>>529138462
DF fortress mode uses timed turns, not real time, so a solo run in it would be a timed roguelike just like crypt of the necrodancer.

>>529141454
>>529141094
Super hexagon uses turns too, a turn is just 1/60th of a second or colloquially, a "frame"

>>529142736
You don't know what a turn is.

>>529109146
>>529117010
Mordred gets temporary immunity after each stun the same way you do, so teleporter is the better endgame panic button item. Especially if you're spamming word of chaos.

>>529109146
Also dark resist is another way to tank it.

>>528440430 (OP)
I'll tell you what bugs me about cdda.

Its the finickey way you are forced to craft things.

Say i want a spear.
I can't just affix two sticks together to get a long stick, i have to disassemble a coat rack, which for some reason requires a screwdriver.
I can put two pipes together with a pipe fitting, but I have to saw the end off and can't attach a spike.
I can make a certain kind of spear, but it can only use steak knives and not a spike, a spike is a different kind of spear.

Its like there are a million ways to do things, but they are all ass backwards, like why would you do it that way? You have to do things in this very specific, very autistic, sort of way, and you can't just do what a normal person would do and use common sense, you have to have the exact right materials and skills and all sorts of other finickey nonsense.

Why can't I just do things like a normal person?

>>529124403
This kind of thing is a symptom of having too little resource attrition. DoomRL/Jupiter Hell for example has lots of weak enemies but you're still paying attention when killing them because even trivial hits will waste hard-to-replenish armor durability, plus there's the issue of ammo conservation and non-regenerating HP. Quasimorph both has equipment attrition and one turn kills around every corner so you always need to be alert and die the moment you aren't. Rift wizard doesn't have this problem because the start of each floor is usually the most challenging and no fog of war means you can always know what you're in for.

>>529145349
Yeah I realized that this morning after I slept on it. Could've easily just teleported out of his range. Is temp stun immunity just 1 turn? Also wonder if you can freeze them during that immunity...
>>529145798
Good call, something to look out for. Mordred will feel my wrath today. Probably. Don't feel like doing the same exact build as yesterday so I'll mess around with other stuff.

>>529148210
Yeah, any game that lets you rest to fully recover everything has this problem, even my favorite roguelike, ToME, 90% of the time you are not in danger, its just that the game is so long that you’ll eventually lapse and take a stupid risk like doing sealed rooms (honestly every single one of my tome deaths but 1 was from a sealed room or a chest rare, just don’t do them lol)

>>529159119
But think of the loot!
Though at some point opening those things that you know could kill you becomes the exciting break from the monotony of clearing the game
On my first insane win I was so confident I opened the big dragon room of death

>>529155120
I don't remember the exact duration, but mordred will have a "clarity" buff listed on her statsheet when it's in effect.

>>529159119
You can usually come back to them when you're overleveled for the area.

>>529086787
Most fun imo is battlemage with most staves actually

>>528521656
I'm still here every week but not miss her anymore

>>529086787
I like the class that go fast
rogue upgrade I think?

How's hades 2? Does it have enough content in early access?

>>529175505
Not a roguelike, try >>528740835

>>529175505
hades 2 isn’t a roguelike, its got veryical metaprogression, its one of those retarded gsmes with an inverted difficulty curve that simultaneously gets easier as you get better at it because people who make that kind of game are trend chasers and have zero game design chops.

>>528440430 (OP)
If you start at the refugee center in cdda, do they refridgerators there work? is there a way to check?

>>529179674
Open it and check if the light is on

>48 damage to self
Turns out I can hit myself with doom storm. And I'm poisoned.

>>529197725
ripperoni, only way to come back from lethal poison is by picking up a ruby heart

>>529198663
I had 3 SP to spare fortunately, so, ta-dah
slime form
I like that you get to keep the hat.

>>529199179
he is cute like that

>>529197725
Storms are some of the deadliest spells in the game, both to the enemy and to yourself.

>>529064921
I define it as the extraction game before they were a thing. It has a different design philosophy to roguelikes where you're playing chicken for resources. Bail out at the right time and you'll be able to go further in the next run, die and lose all your loot.

bros I'm scared am I gonna die

>>529210438
the only thing anyone needs to know about portal storms is that every good branch disabled them

SEX with _____ _____

>>529213268
stalin

>>529210438
congrats you won the game

YEAAAAAH BABY
Chaos build ftw, fuck you mordred.
Used literally every single consumable I had on 20 to clear a trillion bone shamblers. Never thought I'd have so much trouble with number of enemies with this build. Bought Choir of Angels as a hail mary despite not thinking it'd be enough but those beautiful bastards healed me to full and melted the shamblers.
Also rainstorm + water elementals are surprisingly cost efficient for 4 SP, they carried me through the early-mid game easily by themselves, and they work well with blood boil.
Think this was day 3 of playing, fun game.

New kino dropped
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3560030/Cataclysm_The_Last_Generation/

should I buy Rogue Fable 3? It's 70% off. Has anyone played it

>>529221462
Oh they're pushing it.
Let's hope it drains every worthwhile contributor from DDA and becomes the main cataclysm fork.

>>529221462
>worm girl
didn't know TLG was trans-coded

>>529222098
At some point you have to confront the fact that you are hallucinating trannies everywhere

>>529221440
eyyyy congrats! you’re now way better at rift wizard than me despite my hours in both games. Now try one of the archmage trials >:)

>>529221807
the sequel is out already, rogue fable 4, and that’s where all the active development is occurring

>>529222098
>>529222304
worm girl is a cata youtuber, I have no idea if troon or not, given playing autismo roguelike I’d say likely

Could never really "get into" cata, personally. The last time I tried I remember reading through some whacky martial arts choices which kind of put me off, didn't seem particularly fitting.

>>528734296
good old Fulsome Distillation and Evaporate, man old transmuter was fun as fuck

excuse me, I lied, that was Stalker not transmuter

if you have to ask, it's a respectable 7 inches

>>529221462
>putting free open source games on steam
that's a kekaroo for me
is BN in there too

>>529229215
well why not, steam has a lot of great features like cloud saves, achievements, and easy modding, its the reason I don’t usually pirate videogames and I pirate pretty much everything else.

>>529222949
Thanks brother. The archmage trials do look fun, the ones that limit your spell selection randomly in particular. Could probably do the pyromancy one easily enough.