Jolly Marine Edition
>Update 8.0 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/230-patch-notes-8-0
>May community update:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/214-may-community-update
>Roadmap:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2183900/view/529836636819686186
>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2
>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt
>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.
>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview
>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/
>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g
>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks
Previously on the Battle-Barge:
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>>528944636Maybe we can turn their tears and anger into a blood angel champion skin.
>>528944636>>528944762>metaslaveslmfao fucking losers
What are the chances they will fix anything in 8.2 mid season patch?
My best guess is zit, nothing.
VIWH9
siege or operations in 20 minutes. we probably need just 1 guy. sniper taken
by the way, the angry assault main is based
>>528945046I know I'm based I do 50k fucking damage while those trannies do 20k
>>528945046okay I guess we are full
>>528944920waiting to see fit they will fix my space marine randomly speaking spanish.
##New Terminus Enemy Spawn Log #1##
Run 01 of Decapitation
Carnifex spawn in the elevator room just prior to the Hive Tyrant.
JUST IMPLEMENT A FUCKING SETTING THAT MAKES THE GAME NOT PUT ME IN A MATCH WITH SOMEONE OF THE SAME CLASS I'M MATCHMAKING AS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>528944920They need to fix their task assignment.
>>528946660pretty sure they already did that, unless it fucking broke again... jesus man what a garbage company
##New Terminus Enemy Spawn Log #2##
Run 02 of Decapitation
Neurothrope spawn in the ruined building right after the swarm section elevator transition.
kek I just died to the lictor quick time event even though I pressed C, is this a new el bug?
>>528950161I'm not getting my contested health back during my gunstrikes too.
4 out of 4 siege games some retard leaves midway and nobody joins as replacement, nice game saber.
What's the best way to level up rn? Siege or quickplay operations on higher difficulties?
>>528950565>>528950161I'm fucking done with this game, what a garbage update
>died on wave 18 of normal
>only 4k exp
jesus you guys weren't kidding i get more than that completing a mission on ruthless
its not even good for farming weapon levels either how do they take steps backwards from WWZ?
Also how long does the dreadnought last cause i was trying to buy him for those waves knowing they were going to have hellbrute and terminator spam but nobody else paid in
>>528952987absolutely not siege, shit has terrible xp per minute
>>5289548473 minutes. Short enough that he won't last through the wave to the real choke if you buy him at the start of a boss wave.
>>528954847>>528955001jfc, a 15-wave siege run should rake at least 15k. What the hell were they smoking? Now I'm sure these bozos definitely don't play their game.
>>528955147That's so much worse than the horde mode XL special defenses its unreal
You need to save up the entire damn game just to get 3 fucking minutes with him in WWZ you might not even need 2 full rounds to be able to delete half of a swarm
siege mode is cool I guess
but I'm not playing it again until they add pure tyranids siege mode
>>528955938mmm i feel you
>>528954847>>528955414The amount of xp you get versus the sheer amount of fighting you need to do is honestly insulting.
I get that they want to draw out the content by ensuring you don't level too fast, but they need to just bite the bullet on this one because the game has been out for long enough that leveling is no longer a concern for anyone, let alone something to aspire towards.
Assuming about an hour for 20 waves, you can expect to have unlocked all the coloured weapon skins after about 18 hours of playtime in siege mode, assuming you keep quitting before you die to overwhelming odds or tanking framerates
Unmatched zeal is such an insanely powerful perk that it should just be a default game mechanic. Any serious team has to have a vanguard in it.
>>528956547>make the 5% heal on majoris+ execution a base feature>replace that signature perk on vanguard with the 30% heal on extremis+>give vanguard some mid new team perk to slot into the newly created void>suddenly assault is much more viable on its own>suddenly vanguard is not an insane must pick in absolute/siege hard>suddenly bulwark heal banner is not as game-breaking>suddenly it's possible to work your way up from those little mistakes or times the game fucks you with BS without spending a ton of resourcesIt's incredible how easy it would be to make the game just a bit better without even trying that hard
>>528944239 (OP)Titus unironically looks like my family doctor.
Siege mode is interesting, but not that interesting. It just turns into trying to not die to stunlocks or chaos autocannon terminators.
i'm just glad i can be a Lamenter
>>528957985Its like they balanced the entire game's combat flow around Titus' OP as fuck power that gives him free health regen and never stopped to think about how the rest of the game would feel balanced around
>play perfect to keep your health, make one mistake and lose 70% instantly to coordinated enemieswithout the ability to recharge your HP at a moment's notice
Siege mode is only possible to beat at around wave 5 consistently, only a handful of players can hang around wave 10 and even less on wave 15
No dreadnought means you're totally fucked in the very end
>>528957985absolutely correct.
it was the same back when plasma and grenade launcher got their whole ammo back with emps vengeance. could have just reworked emps vengeance in a way to nerf grenades and plasma while buffing bolters. just make it % based. bolters have gute reserves in comparison to mags, % based recovery would buff bolters while heavily nerfing the other two. but no, they go into the individual weapons and make nonsensical intransparent changes.
>Thunder Hammer on Bulwark
Well that's fucking broken as shit but ok.
>>528955414>>528956047>increase xp multiplier by 400% or make it scale with each wave>create an option to have nids/chaos only waves>decrease cost of unit summons or increase the points we receive during waves>make loadouts save individual perk tree setups (and remove 750 req points reset cost; it's pointless at this point)>add 4th slot for another player (if need be have it be PC-only) - least likely, but it would add to replayability>more weapon colors/skins to unlock if you don't plan to expand ordeal system (seriously, what was the point of it if you don't take advantage of such mechanics)That's just after playing through the entire evening. Is it so difficulty to see these things? Their QA is non-existent....
>>528952987Inferno on max difficulty is always going to be the best way to level everything. Easiest mission, fastest mission (with randoms and their insanity), and super easy to find the gene seed with most spots for it at the end of the game meaning less chance of losing it. Its how I maxed everything with the prestige system quickly.
>>528952987Decapitation on Absolute
The Terminus will spawn after the cathedral or just before the final elevator
Played some siege mode and i've been experiencing very shitty lag/freezes. Never had that happening before (4090/7950x3d/64ram). Anyone else ?
>>528960998I had the game crash because when Steam downloaded the patch I went from 0% fragmentation to 20%
>everyone on a team in TF2 can be spies at the same time
>everyone on a team in DRG can be scouts at the same time
>everyone on a team in darktide can be ogryns at the same time
>everyone on a team in SM can be devastators at the same time
>everyone on a team in SM2 has to be a different class because muh special OCs
I hate saber
I hate them
the only good thing about this patch is the white scars knife skin
>>528962389Saber being a small development team is why class limits are on PVP, please understand
>>528960482its better then thunderhammer on assault, but thats not an achievement. its still by far the worst weapon for bulwark. trading in a shield is NOT worth it.
>>528962389There were so many game design choices that were so retarded it locked SM2 into being a 5/10 game no matter what.
Never should have been classes at all, all weapons and passives should be available to all players. There also should NEVER be a fucking RPG upgrade system in a 40k game. A bolter is a bolter, the only focus should be making it feel good and work as people want, not having multiple upgradable tiers of it with multiple difficulty levels so you get an unbalance-able shitshow. PvP was also a waste of time but I just fucking know in SM3 they will double down on it and likely force unlocks/progression into it even though no one gives a shit about PvP.
tldr copy HD2 and slap 40k skin on it
>brand new accounts rocking one of the Champion skins
I'm glad they're having fun but they can have it in somebody else's party. Siege mode goes on for far too long for me to sit there and watch these guys struggle to remember the controls and read the tutorial pop-ups. Maybe I'm old, but in my day it was considered genuinely rude to be bad at games on other people's time.
>Lv7 Pres4 Bulwark
>No Intimidating Aura
>In a lobby with a Lv25 Tactical and Sniper
>Highest number of kills
>Highest ranged damage
>Highest melee damage
>Highest special kills
>Literally all the fucking yellow numbers on my tally
Embarrassing.
>>528960689What level per prestige did you start going that high? Right at level 1 or like 10?
I can't fucking click with this game. It just isn't fun to me. Whole combat system seems rigid as fuck. Fishing for parries and executions to stay alive. Fuck that shit.
>>528962641This dude is right too
>>528965248Level 1, your weapons being maxed is all that matters.
absolute is insane now with terminus spawning etremis. assault is more useless than ever
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Lamenter Chads WW@?
So the meta for Siege is literally just Tactical/Bulwark/Vanguard
>>528968540i havnt played yet, but why would you need two healbots? why not use heavy or sniper? sniper is op op
Tech Marine when?
Librarian when?
>>528968540plasmagigachad spamming auspex
vanguard with extremis heal, melta rifle for mob shitter clearing and grapnel aoe spam
shield bulwark with team heal, aoe spam
>>528969383sniper can hold with las fusil and permanent melta bombs
heavy is near useless outside of the meta multimelta melee build
assault is literally useless in this mode
the trick to higher waves is to kill as many majoris/extremis as fast while completing as many sidequests as possible
also as sniper, rate of fire is heavily favoured in this mode over ammo
as long as you have the prestige perk that gives you ammo for every pistol kill every 15 seconds you will never run out of ammo and using your las fusil as some kind of weird laser shotgun is more valuable
nothing wrong with standing still for 2+ seconds either, it's still the best perk for max headshot damage but useless on higher waves where you'll be mobbed
Brother Dude Wall, I have another contribution.
>>528969383I don't think heavy would do well with limited melee.
>>528969905>>528971208ill have to try it, but there is no way that the killing machine magic shield heavy is useless compared to bulwark or vanguard. he one shots minoris with a stomp and you dont even need to melee if you dont want to since you can take heavy bolter and be stagger immune while firing killing everything and regenning all your hp. the only thing i could see as bad are people that use plasma as a crutch during operations and only know how to lob plasma at groups of enemies that first spawn
>spent all my space gold on getting the new assault perk
>it doesnt even do anything
Asia is horrible, Chinks are too afraid to go past wave 5 and will always dip back to the battle barge. Japs, gooks and SEA don't mind progressing in the second area but most will get mogged by wave 7-9.
Holy shit I need to play with NAchads.
>Couldn't just add a horde mode
>Had to tack in some annoying fucking sub-objectives for points and time limited 'supports' as well as no option to just play Chaos or just play Nids
Holy fucking shit you had one job. DoW2 last stand mode is infinitely better than this.
why does the cadia button get greyed out? i cant buy infinite guardsmen?
How is the new update fellas? I haven't play in months. Is it similar to Last Stand? Worth coming back to?
I swear, the servers break every patch
After a full day of pwns, biggest takeaway is that Chaos needs that new melee Majoris enemy immediately. Their waves are a boring slog of exchanging long-ranged fire.
Bold of them in the first place to feature Chaos and Tyranids equally, when I would bet money that the majority of the playerbase has been intentionally avoiding Chaos operations.
>>528979058It's like exterminatus but it's kind of ruined because whenever the wave set ends you might end up in a chaos wave set
>>528979058Its WWZ horde mode but a few more baffling design decisions
>>528979058It feels mediocre if you already have the game installed, and it's not worth touching if you don't
>No incentive to go for as many waves as you can because if you eat shit, you miss out on rewards
>>528978103There is a limited number that can be summoned, but there doesn't seem to be any UI indicator for how many.
I imagine a huge population bump occurred for siege mode release because I got matched up with a Chinese Assault player who promptly died and got replaced by a better Korean Assault player.
The korean guy was an Iron Handsfag too, how fucking rare is that?
>>528981667Chinks live to make others suffer their presence, but gooks live to make themselves suffer.
>>528981667>Iron Handsfag too, how fucking rare is that?we're hanging in there, man
>Get to Wave 17
>Disconnected
And that was the last time I booted up SM2.
>>528978103The button doesn't immediately summon guardsmen, it's a per round spawn cap for them. Every round it will spawn up to the purchased amount over time
Siege is fun, I like the absolute chaos of fighting 3 hellbrutes. But Siege really needs a fucking buff for the rewards. My first run, I made it to wave 21 and got less than 7000 xp. It was like a 90 minute session. It should have been double that for that kind of effort.
>>528979128It's not even the range and teleporting imo but the fact that the game was obviously designed around synaptic whiplash. Killing a majoris or half of the extremis gibbing all nearby minoris inherently alters your battle strategy and that you can't do it for bird things and golems makes it a much worse slog. Rubricae are massively annoying but not actually threatening enough to try to bulldoze through gors to reach them when the only reward is just killing them and not all the gors and renegadess around them. So you just stand their parrying gors for armor, weaving around awkward cover while getting plinked at until they wander close enough to justify a breakaway since going for them too early will result in more damage as you charge across the open. Thousand sons shouldve been designed around every encounter having a sorcerer whom killing fucks up the rubrics. Easier encounters have regular human sorcerers while harder ones get CSM sorcerers with the objective of bum rushing the wizards to make the dust fucks less threatening and birds panic.
>>528979128Yeah killed my desire to do it anymore, its overall a shit update
so you guys are saying saber left all these bugs from pts in but nerfed the xp tenfold? talk about priorities
Welp, siege mode turned out to be shit and couldn’t save us. Time for this general to die like the rest.
Rather it didn't die. Lord knows we won't get a foothold in /coopg/ because they frown upon anything not ----tide related, and there's a lot of cool OC creators here.
So if you get to wave 14 do you still get all the awards from the previous waves or do you just eat it like a failed operation?
>>528991552I think XP scales to the wave (poorly), but rewards are only in increments of 5s.
XP needs to be at least doubled. Lv25 is worth 8K XP to a Prestige 4 character. And hour and a half in Absolute Operations with the Gene Seed is 3 x 6000ish.
>>528991552yeah you still get the rewards for clearing 1-10. you've only wasted your efforts on wave 11-14 if everybody wipes on 14.
>>528992395I don't really care about XP, I just want to make sure I can still get the weapon skins.
Is the netcode worse this patch? I feel like I'm missing parries and dodges I've never had issues with before. This feels really janky and it's pissing me off.
come home to /cope/ marine bros, we need something else but tide
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imagine grinding prestige so that absolute is slightly easier and now you're back to square one, and even at a disadvantage because now randoms below prestige 4 are actively dragging you down.
>>528995784>terminus die without getting any damage offYeah because if they get any damage at all it stagger locks someone to death
>keep in mind that if we had 2 terminus enemies it'd essentially be 100% healthSO DON'T PUT TWO IN THE SAME FUCKING MISSION WHO ASKED FOR THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE
Why are there some people that hate the update? What did they want? Also, chaos wave 10 is such insanity, can't imagine what 15 or 20 look like.
>>528991235>and there's a lot of cool OC creators herethere's what?
>clearing wave 10 is harder than any other content in the game
>3 purples
>>528946129Happened after I got corrupted by a sorcerer, lol; thought it was a feature.
>>52899681015, 10 gives you 3 green. What happens on 15? Do they actually throw 3 Terminus at you?
>get to wave 15
>carnifexes spawn
>game crashes
I feel bad for leaving the Bulwark alone with a heavy bot, even if he was using the DA paid skin
>>528996918Can't remember what wave it was but there were 3 carnifexes at once at some point.
>>528996918i meant on hard
>>528997058Jesus, 3 hellbrutes is something I'll never clear solo.
>>528997124Figured Hard would just up the damage, guess I'm not getting that helmet if it actually wants me to clear wave 10 and not just 10 waves.
>wave 15 normal
>3 helbutes
>5+ termies
>5+ dick tzaangors
>some sorcs, couldn't count
>no meltie bombs to thin the herd
>die
>2k xp
bruh
>>5289969183 hellbrutes plus at least half a dozen different terminators or 2 carnifexes and a neurothrope plus a lictor, 2 raveners, and 2 biovores with an additional half dozen rubrics/warriors periodically reinforcing if you don't finish them fast enough
at a minimum
>>528997545It's almost like I'm playing the table top, except I don't even get half a combat patrol!
>>528997632three men is all I can spare
>playing with a dude
>saving up for a dread for wave 15
>random comes in because dude crashed
>buys it immediately on wave 13
SHARING THE POINT POOL FOR THE DREAD IS A FUCKING MISTAKE.
>>528997632Yep, 3 tactical sergeants with a bonus invul save and 80 guardsmen against 2500 points of bullshit with consistent deepstrikes
and sabre wants to make this shit even harder
>>528998634Normal mode too? What are their intentions with my daughter?
So this SOUNDS good, but it could mean so little when you actually think about it
What are the odds the pieces will actually be recolourable? You might be stuck with the DA champion helmet in green, no matter how much you want it for one of their successor chapters (or god forbid you want to use it fully freely)
It could even be that you effectively get the skin on a few other classes (e.g. the salamander champion can now be applied to tactical but also you like, lose the cape or something) with no actual customization.
I didn't even necessarily want the champion skin pieces to be usable outside their original classes, all I cared about was that they could be recoloured and mixed with existing pieces. I know that's a lot to ask from one guy trying to program an entire game but the only thing worse than them having made champion skins so unusable would be them relenting a bit, failing to make the change meaningful, and then thinking they've done a good job. They really haven't with much so far.
>>528944239 (OP)https://steamcommunity.com/app/2183900/eventcomments/592900978988097588
How do I know which stream is the right one to watch to get the Twitch Drops?
Never done a Twitch drop thing ever.
>>528999125Color or not I'll be happy with my heavy salamander.
>>528999314They don't dorect you to it with the in game page?
>>528999314it should popup on the upper part on the chat
>>528999314Look for something like "DROPS" or "DROP ENABLED" in the title of a stream. If you have your account linked to pros all you need is just put a stream in the background with no sound for 2 hours and you'll be done.
>>528999125It feels a bit like a monkey's paw, doesn't it? I mean, it can go either way. Like you said, they will simply split the pieces and add them to the overall pool of cosmetics with no additional work put into it OR they will actually go the extra mile and add colorable textures. I wish it were the latter but Saber have proven so far that they make most ridiculous and incoherent decisions.
>>528999028I am describing normal mode. Someone can correct me if spawns are actually different on hard mode but i think its the same thing as WWZ horde mode where horde sizes are the same its just the difficulty damage and hp modifiers that change except hard is scaled to insane/ruthless while normal is scaled to whatever is below that. It could be scaled to lethal but i'm also not actually sure if lethal is any different besides spawn rates of shit anyways
>>528999659I was responding to your last line about them wanting to make it harder, thought you meant they were going to update it or something.
>krak grenades can stick to spore mines
That's it, never looting these fucking things again. Worst consumable in any modern game
>>529000069oh no, i was talking about their update post where they were still making shit even harder with double terminus and extra terminus enemy hp for no real reason
my b
Everybody is correctly saying that Assault sucks at siege, and yet there is one in every single game.
>>529001828assault is fun
pretty much it
I can recognize that bulwark is extremely good but i fucking hate playing him so he'll go unused
There's a battle pass update and of course they put nothing new into it, but it's absolutely hilarious how they have the balls to outright list a bunch of features as 'postponed'. Granted these are not the most important things right now considering SM2 is bugged to hell, but their audacity boggles the mind. They have to get their shit together and start working on fixes, because in the long run it won't matter how many copies they had sold when all the good faith and rapport with players will be reduced to atoms.
And, hell, forget about the customization system for now. Postpone THAT. It would be great, but they'll just fuck it up, knowing Saber's track record.
Man, things must be really crumbling out there.
worth picking up on current sale? been thinking about getting this game for a few months but unsure
>>529003250Yeah especially if its on sale
>>529003250dude, read the thread. we're at the end of the hype train. if you didn't buy the game before, now it's the worst time possible, when you finish the 8 hour tutorial there will be noone online to play with you.
>>529003250Painting up your guys is fun, but you'll have to grind to get colors and parts; way less tedious now than it was before, at least.
>>529003362>>529003537>>529004246thanks for the input guys, i think i'll probably mostly play with some frens so should be fun even if most of the community leaves
>>528969905>the meta melee multimelta buildthat sounds fucking horrible, no wonder its useless.
>>528996289>WHO ASKED FOR THAT IN THE FIRST PLACEa lot of people in this general
>>528996289Up to two terminus in one absolute mission is absolutely a good thing, keeps you guessing even after the first and makes the difficulty actually more difficult in an enjoyable way
It's one of the few good parts of this update, focus your anger elsewhere
>>529005271I would've preferred operations having a guaranteed terminus at the end of the mission, would've made grinding for armory data way easier from the start.
wave 10+ is no longer a space marine game but rather a poorly skinned zombie horde sloppa
this has just been a really disappointing update in general that was ruined by a bunch of easily avoided problems and it fixed none of the shitty mechanical choices saber has made since launch, later waves of siege really highlight how badly the mediocre combat system falls apart when there's too much shit running around
the only enjoyable part was one of the marines in my squad randomly speaking spanish
if SM1 was more active I would just be playing that
Yeah, a lot of fun
Fix the crashes and disconnects but ignore the mounting bugs
>>529006237Has happened to me in that spot twice so far. Luckily it eventually despawned instead of bricking the run.
>>529008170Have you seen their main chat? Majority of people there are brown-nose sycophants who'd rather butter up to those 4-5 community managers instead of giving feedback.
Honestly, with the way CMs have been treating that channel I'm not surprised bugs and reports section that they maintained up until 5.0 was torn down. The best part of this rollecoaster of a shitshow? They explained it away saying that that specific channel was not meant to be the place report issues with the game, and everything was to be put up on forums. I'm not even joking. Where else would you post if not in "report bugs here channel". I guess forum would've been acceptable had they implemented fixes for the bugs people constantly make posts about, but that's not the case. People have to start torpedoing SM2 with negative reviews Helldivers-style if we're to see any changes.
For Blud Rehvans do I use Evil Sunz Scarlet, Angron Red or Wazdakka Red? Every other red is too Blood Angelsy
>>528944239 (OP)What is up with all those prestige 1 level 10's playing and fucking dying on the first wave on absolute? I hate tourists
>>529001889>bulwark is extremely good>because Im a shitter that takes damage and needs his healNo. retard logic. Assault does literally double bulwarks damage. Fucking noob. Just admit youre shit and need to be carried.
>>529012764>strawman>outright falsehood>ad hominem>projectionI'll wait for a real argument
>>529012764Post a video of you going from wave 0 to 25 in harde siege as assault and losing zero white health then.
>>529013024truth nuked you so hard you went and started speaking in /pol/ sticky buzzwords, faggot
>>529013134so you admit I am correct and your skill is just lacking lil bro? atleast you have the brains to admit when youre wrong and I am right unlike the other shitters
>>529013286You can't do it.
>>529002806KEK, im starting to think Saber devs are legit just lazy.
its literally their number one selling game and the post launch support has been abysmal, they should be offering season pass refunds if they cant even keep to the schedule.
>New content
>Barely any codes
It's ogre
I've seen Vanguard hosts kick Bulwarks because of their "low" damage, not realizing these niggas heal and shit out AoE to deal with little shitters.
Also hire 80 guardsmen for the final 2 waves instead of a single Spess Mehreen fucking idiots. Those 80 guardsmen will mog all of the little shitters and put a Majoris or two in the red while tanking all of the shots.
If you really want a battle brother bot always pick the Heavy because they dish out moderate damage from their heavy bolter and will shit out Iron Halos like nothing.
Before getting N-2 disconnects all of us had 3 Heavy bots with us on wave 14 with the Vanguard having enough points to call down a Dreadnought for the final wave.
>>529013962ill probably start a lobby in an hour or so if your still around
>here's an infinite wave horde mode
>but if you don't end it early you're robbed of all the rewards
>play with 2 random chinese guys
>beat waves 1-5 easily
>both chiggas go back to the battle barge
>the game will never add any more players for some reason
>>529013962Not surprising, this update really doesn't make one want to play the game
>>529013962It's shit, most people tried Siege and lost interest within hours. Just add more PVP shit to the game, that's the mode that is actually fun
>>529013962The only content is an ugly helmet
Most people can't clear waves beyond the second area or will get disconnected so it's near unattainable
>>529015343The portion of the active player base that regularly engages in eternal war is probably less than 10%.
>>529002806>postponedHow the fuck do you even look at this and think it's fine to put in official press release? Bunch of retards.
Thanks for bringing this to light Brother. Now I think I have to post a constructive review on steam.
>>529013956These nimrods are beyond lazy. They're just incompetent to nth degree.
Triple hellbrutes is brutal, maybe it’s because we were down to just two players and the bulwark was off killing majoris or some shit but I just got dogpiled while the dreadnought did all the work.
>>529016717bring in your own dreadnought
there should always be one guy squashing majoris/extremis
>get instagibbed by two Helbrute plasma guns
>>529008806i remember some fuckwit actually talking well about the goodboy log all your accounts and get stickers for your fridge updoot system ITT
asinine
there was good feedback in the first PTS, it got ignored or got patched in as a compromise. there was also a good thread with lots of suggestion to rework assault into something fuctional. crickets.
Not taking Vanguard into Siege pubs is actively throwing.
>>529022776But I don't want to play the zipline minigame
>>529022776yes. and this is shit game design. and vanguard is one of my "mains". hp should be generalized. the game is obviously unwinnable without some form of recovery since damage is unavoidable at times. they should do what the other anon suggested and just give everyone 5% recovery on execute.
it can´t be the state of things that you absolutely HAVE to bring one of the 6 at all times. and if they nerf vanguard its just going to be bulwark as a must have.
>>529016947It's even better when you can't see them because the third one blocks your view.
>>529016947>Get knocked into a wall>Push keyboard away because the extended stagger animation is just death
R73WJ
Siege mode normal if anyone wants to play
Is the vanguard heal bugged? I never see it heal my team mates even when I'm at full hp.
Im so fucking tired of level 1-10 retarded faggots ruining my lobbies
>>529024920i thought the heal was just for yourself no?
>>529025143His 30% heal on Extremis kill isn't.
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>>529025143The wording says any squad member and I distinctly remember it working pre patch unless I'm crazy.
>>529024920>>529025143>>529025354the 30% heal is for the person that gets the execute
>prstiging assault on absolute
>do fine until i get sniped due to scream from thrope
>consolefag comes in saying i shouldnt level on absolute
Fucking hate consolefags, I just got unlucky they both got wiped instantlyand they couldnt even deal with the thrope as sniper and heavy
>>529025668wouldnt have happened to a better class
>>529025307>>529025354ah ok, i knew it worked on me but didnt know thats how it worked for others.
>>529024185ima just play solo i guess then, if any other anon wants to post a code later ill be online.
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>Game has been out for almost a year
>People still don't know how vanguard's team heal works
>This muppet is running around stealing executes from his low health teammates and wondering why they hate him
All of my teams have been pretty bad so far
>sniper that cant kill any extremis (running the carbine)
>bulwarks getting rekt
>tacs not doing shit
Codes?
why are disc tzaangors so fucking aggressive, holy shit
little kids on 4chan crying again when the entire real playerbase is enjoying the game. 16k in game on steam alone btw.
>>529013956Are you legitimately a retard? Saber can't maintain a game if their life depends on it. Being a fan of anything they touch is game over. Look at the sorry state of KF2 in its final days, rehashed guns, shitty animations, shittier enemies...the list piles up fast. Saber got their money, and they're just milking whatever is left in this cash cow while they still can, right before they release a trailer for SM3.
Fuck them for nailing the aesthetics of 40k, because they did it right. They just suck at everything else, especially the game part.
>>529016275Agreed, they're stupid lazy and almost solely focused on making cash as fast as possible. They've made two additional games since SM2 came out, and let's not forget they're currently the owners of 3D Realms and the slop that's come out of them recently, along with Slipgate Ironworks which makes mediocre products at best. Overall, Saber is your typical Russian developer: doesn't care about the game, cares about the money and will lead you along until you stop paying them and they move on to another IP to make it in to a soulless husk.
>>529027165Aggressive and hard to read as well. Like trying to predict the next move of a plastic bag in the wind.
>Tactical
Plasma or Stalker only, any other weapon is throwing it
Max ranged damage and headshot perks for Stalker
Spam Auspex, take the 50% faster auspex perk on Extremis/Terminus for more Auspex spam
>Assault
Useless, play on normal Operations
>Vanguard
Required hands down with the Extremis heal, Majoris heal is useful if you're in the thick of it since grappling hook is only useful for movement in this mode instead of cockblocking summoners
Melta or Occulus, any other gun is throwing it
>Bulwark
Useful for extra team heal with the banner and shock grenades/Intimidating Aura but otherwise low damage and slow clears
>Sniper
Las Fusil only, any other weapon is throwing it
Max headshot damage, rate of fire Las Fusil better for higher waves over ammunition version
Vantage Point is useless starting from the second area since you'll be constantly moving and waiting 2 seconds for every shot is unrealistic, 10% extra ammo is better
Pattern of Excellence Melta Bomb spam is a must, spam it on Terminus enemies
>Heavy
Multimelta only, any other weapon is throwing it
Maxing out stomp damage and range
Weapon Strike -> Perpetual Range (go up) -> Heavy Fire -> Increased Capacity (go down) -> Weapon Strike
>Fencing or Block
Block for faster clears except for Bulwark, fencing power sword is still the best and Thunderhammer is a meme
If you're not used to Block or hate melee stick with Fencing
>pistol
Plasma > HBP > Neo Volkite > BP > Inferno
t. cleared two wave 15s as a Sniper and Tactical; first team was a Vanguard and Bulwark and second team was a Vanguard and stomping Heavy. All of them max prestige, if you want the helmet don't waste your time with non-max prestige players or new guys leveling up
- Always have one guy do the secondary objectives, they literally add up
- Stick together and don't veer off too far away and get ganked
- don't overspend on resources, always make sure to have enough points for a Dreadnought on wave 15 because you will lose with 3 Terminus
turns out the shieldbash talents are really good, as long as you are not actually shieldbashing
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Nice just 20 seconds before the operation end!
>>529031113>Your opinion on Vanguard>Your opinion on Sniper>Your opinion on Heavy
>>529031940t. guy who didn't even beat wave 5
>>529031113thunderhammer bulwark does absurd & safe aoe damage though.
>>529032015I've gotten to wave 20 consistently on Hard. Vanguard wants to be spamming the fuck out of AOE damage grapple because it's the only way he can contribute to large hordes. Melta does no damage on Hard to the massive clusters of Majoris+.
Sniper wants Stalker + Invis Block double stack charged melee spam, and constantly shitting Meltas with his signature. If it wasn't for the relentless Meltas, this class would be the worst for Siege. Saved by Equipment.
For Heavy, absolutely should not be investing into fucking melee damage. You go pic related with the Plasma Incinerator.
>>529033201redpill me on bulwark thunderhammer build, I'm enjoying I want to see if I'm doing it right
>>529034030I mean, it's better as a weapon on Bulwark than it is on Assault thanks to the 2 open perks you'd take (the first one in the same row as Intimidating Aura is NEVER getting picked), but you're trading away your shield which opens Bulwark up to all of the same problems as Assault when fighting Chaos. Bulwark's shield + unstaggerable when having armor gives you some retard-level defense, because it has a hidden interaction that makes you unstaggerable against ranged attacks that would knock you out of block. You can stand there menacingly and block the Helbrute quad barrage while yawning.
>>529033201this anon is 100% correct
>>529029993ive never played a saber game prior to this one, thats not " being a retard" its just you presenting to me information i was unaware of.
>>529033201>Stalker bolter>Heavy PlasmaLol lmao
Never reply again, good luck on wave 4
>beat wave 10
>Tyranid enemy
>enemies, enemies everywhere
>Bulwark dies first then me (Heavy)
>Vanguard gets sniped thrice and dies
Meme game mode, Space Marine shouldn't be a reskinned zombie horde game.
>>529031113>Max headshot damage, rate of fire Las Fusil better for higher waves over ammunition versionyes
>Vantage Point is uselessyes
>Pattern of Excellence Melta Bomb spam is a mustno, learn how to dodge. short cloak every 15 seconds lets you revive, move to a safer position, do extra damage
>>529033201>If it wasn't for the relentless Meltas, this class would be the worst for Siegewhat, even worse than assault? anyway, try lasgun sniper
Game's nearly a year old and the bots are still shit desu
>>529036345>Yeah dude I sure love getting no ammo back shooting Las into Hard hordes because I was 1 degree off 5 headshots, so now I have to keep spamming my sidearm to keep this piece of shit fed>By the way, I'm the same person who said Vantage Point is useless (it is) because you have to keep moving, and yet I keep recommending a weapon that makes you borderline stationary the moment you touch the scope>Thinks the fucking Heavy Melta does anything in in Hard modeMan, I sure do love spaffing 4-5 shots into a Hard Majoris at <5 meters before they finally go into execute state. It's not like I'm able to build the HPI to charge retard fast and do this way quicker, and get all my ammo back anyway because there's twelve Extremis to feed on.
>>529037123The devs get seriously offended if players clear PvE content easily, that's why they added two Terminus spawns on Absolute and actually love that players are getting disconnected or aren't getting the studded helmet in Siege mode.
Anybody who recommends the Melta Rifle or Heavy Melta should be immediately disregarded as a shitter.
>>529034805>Helbrute quad barrage while yawning.Did this get changed? The Helbrute's plasma shots were one of the few projectiles that Storm Shield wasn't able to block.
desu no one uses heavy plasma on hard siege mode
all the heavies carry multimeltas
no heavy bolters, it's shit for the mode
if you don't have a vanguard you're missing out
>>529037406Without Bulwark's Armored Advance 3rd signature perk, you get staggered on the first shot and eat damage. If you have that perk, you can block three, get slightly staggered on the third but take no damage, and then the 4th is dangerous so dodge.
>>529037040>what, even worse than assault?Power Sword + Dodge Assault is actually pretty solid for Siege. Probably the only class capable of fighting off three Carnifexes at once without kiting around the arena or killing time.
>>529037537multimelta is a noob trap
If you spawn Assault on Hard Siege mode I will kick you personally or ask the host to votekick you.
>>529037123They should just have the player's builds, so starter bots should be shit and the fully decked out should be decent at least.
>>529037657it's not
everyone is running the absolute gayhomo streamer solo build, exactly the melee one like that other anon has mentioned
>>529037537>desu no one uses heavy plasma on hard siege mode>all the heavies carry multimeltasbecause they're bad. anybody intelligent here knows the average player is a complete moron. if everybody were smart, you'd never see e.g. a vanguard running anything but the bolt carbine.
>>529037851Anon, get out of Normal. Melta is bad for the same reason it's bad on Absolute Ops. Its break points are terrible against Majoris, and it does nothing to bosses. It's bad against the actual hard content that makes or breaks runs.
>>529037189>oh shit, a swarm is approaching my position>no worries, I have my trusty ammo ver. las fusil with me>stops>aims>begins charging it up>2 gaunts already slashing>las fusil still charging>3 warriors in the back begin shooting out of their devourer cannons>las fusil still charging>3 warriors with boneswords closing in from the front>las fusil still charging>hive fleet leviathan reaches Terra>las fusil still charging>old ones return to help humanity>las fusil still charging
>>529037656I tested it with the Armored Advance perk so I guess it got changed.
>>529038015i don't play heavy outside of heavy bolter
still grinding hard siege mode but i get disconnected or we get wiped
all of my games i've never seen a heavy plasma heavy, all multimelta
They should let players pick the same class even if everyone will play Vanguard and let hosts pick either one enemy faction or both, fuck Chaosniggers
>>529038180>all of my games i've never seen a heavy plasma heavy, all multimelta>PubsSee
>>529037875
>>529037704Yeah, Vermintide 2 already proved the method which honestly should've just been what they took from instead. Letting players progress each character, unlock the customization and talents and then just make builds that best suit their style of play. I doubt it even requires much work behind the scenes either.
>>529038575even in the sm2 official discord the lobbies there get wiped or some asshole quits after the second area
if someone quits they don't get replaced with another player, this needs to be changed
>>529038151There's two versions. The common shots can be blocked. The charged shot that leaves a plasma trail on the ground can't.
>>529034030ya dont take healbanner but the aoe dmg every 5 seconds.
it will become the meta build once healbanner is nerfed/gone, wich honestly cant come soon enough
>>529040254>remove healbannerOnly if they add an Apothecary class or give everyone the Vanguard's final Majoris kill perk, otherwise they'll kill their own game.
>>529040254It's probably going to be a while, at least not something that'll be pushed until Apothecary happens.
I'm just hoping it's going to be replaced with something actually good. I personally want a perk that just increases the radius.
>>529038394Question actually
How would team perks be handled
If multiples don't stack it'll feel bad when you load into a game with the same perk already active
If they do stack you'd end up with broken shit like 75% ranged damage reduction permanently between 3 heavies or full heals on extremis executions
>>529040606Easiest way of doing that would be to have them not stack, instead make it so each player should pick different perk in the tree. Maybe there would be a better way of balancing it but I it's beyond Saber's reach.
>>529040606Team perks were a mistake. There's a reason the most you get in Darktide is coherency bonuses, and that's not exclusive to any class.
>>529040631>>529041056>>529041274Does this work against Chaosniggers or is this just an Inferno/Decapitation build?
>>529041274>Minoris shots doing chip damagePost difficulty.
>>529040442>>529040473apothecary is a DOGSHIT solution. they should so some version of what the anon suggested in another thread: give everyone minimal regeneration on execute (i´d say scaling per threat), rework/nerf the heal on vanguard, remove healbanner and we are good to go.
having dedicated healsluts is asinine, especially if one does it passively.
>>529041646let me check
>>529041778its absolute
>>529041976Post difficulty in the video, because that seems like Substantial chip to me.
>>529041624it takes two stomps and a gunstrike to execute a marine. or three stomps. im using 100% prestige perk, 30% perk, 50% gun perk. the main thing about heavy stomps is there is no fall off. like the chain sword deals 2.4 in a small area then 1 for everyone else. but heavy deals the full 3x no matter the distance
>>529039386Yeah I was talking about the common shots. Even with armor I got staggered out.
>>529042478Looks correct to me
Why do you care what difficulty it is and why are you so reluctant to accept it being absolute?
>>529043385Plasmashitter getting exposed
>>529042478theres no enemy radar at the top so it cant be substantial. i use 30% hp which might apply to armor too, im not sure. but most shots dont actually hit you
>>529043385Because the viability of a build is dependent on difficulty. I know for a fact a shot from a Minoris on Absolute is a third of an armor bar, and a melee hit is one bar. So why are you taking such paltry armor damage 18 seconds into the video?
>>529043582>enemy terminator rolling all 1s on his combi-bolterHappens to the best of us
>>529043708I haven't memorized the heavy perktree but isn't there one that gives damage reduction when the iron halo expires or is on cooldown or something?
Instead of an ugly studded helmet the hard mode siege reward should be a Corvus helmet with laurels
Instead of an ugly Ultramarine pauldron the reward for beating 50 siege waves should have been a Mk8 helmet with laurels
Blood Angels and White Scars successors should have the default Deathwatch armour pieces
>>529044856I'm starting to really despise this game
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>>529044856To add insult to injury there are no current plans for the Phobos helmet that was found in the game.
GGs Saber, you could've made an event to perfectly coincide with the release of Siege mode. Who's in charge there again?
>>529047349>>529045519Why does a Primaris helmet need bonded studs?
>>529047349*there are no current plans for the Phobos helmet to be released via an event.
are the heavy abilities that activate when you "expend all energy" totally useless or what?
>>529047349>Phobos helmetnothing of value was lost
>>528950161had this happen too. never missed the QTE for a lictor so was wtfing hard. also hearing spanish dialogue for the first time in this update!!
I don't even understand why Siege Mode has two difficulties. The menu doesn't even stipulate what the difference is, and the only one I've noticed through gameplay is that Normal mobs have significantly reduced health pools. Otherwise the map, spawns, enemy count, side objectives, etc. are all identical.
Hard is pretty much pointless after you get the ugly Bonded Helmet. Unless you quickly want to gain a lot of XP and Requisition, which only matters if you are not done prestiging yet (in which case: hurry up you casual).
>>529052164the most i've gone far on hard pubs was wave 11
>Siege is over the top fun with shit rewards
Do we have any chance of the devs patching it so we actually get more xp?
>>529026683pretty sure that was either a troll or a tourist, i don't think a regular wouldn't know that, this perk gets brought up here quite regularly
>>529049304not totally, just almost totally
>>529053301it used to give you more xp in pts, so no, not likely .
>>529053301Devs don't like people having fun in their game if it means enjoying fast-paced leveling.
>>529049824Phobos helmet is literally the only good Primaris helmet and that's because it's the only one to even get close to imitating the grimace of the Mk7.
im going to play assault in siege. i think chain ground pounding is really good
>>529059237based. FOR THE EMPEROR. remember to kick all vanguards if you get the host
>>529059572>buy stim packs from store>vanguard and bulwark are now obsolete
>>529058580So bad a imitation
is the bot's equipment always the same?
>>529061315The purchased ones, yes they always have the same equipment. Bots that replace a player who's left retain the player's weapon choices.
sup brehs im reinstalling
hows the update?
>>529031113Lol no wonder you struggle so much
>>529067712Genuinely, quite shit. They forced chaos+nids knowing no one likes chaos, they put in stupid minigames to get points in each round and overall Siege is just a bad version of running Inferno. Its not even aesthetically as cool as any of the operating maps and instead falls back into the trope of small circular map with enemies coming from all sides so you cant last stand/defend from a point.
Plus its really highlighted class imbalances, anything with a heal is now god mode, anything without is dogshit, also lots of non 25s in games who will throw it for you, assuming you dont crash and lose all progress after an hour.
They should have removed the gear/leveling system for Siege and made it you spawn in as a random marine, and you buy passives/weapons as you win waves from any class. It would have been great.
>>529068551>also lots of non 25s in games who will throw it for youThis was always going to happen. Most of the game's population hasn't even maxed out their classes to base 25. Now with prestige being a thing, you will most likely not have max level players with fully optimized gear/perks, but rather players that want to grind level ups/upgrades without playing operations.
what makes assault bad? he ground pounds and kills everything
>>529069364until they realize siege is almost 0 xp.
>>529067712the horde mode is filled with antifun design decisions and I'm honestly quite tired of these dev's retardation
>>529069364Siege mode is slower than Inferno and Decapitation
>>529069669vanguard requires no skill and bulwark requires little skill in comparison. People who think they mastered the game switch to assault and it suddenly punishes them for all their mistakes, they get furious and blame it on the class instead of realizing they were shit players in the first place
>>529069669Nothing, his slam is basically infinite free aoe damage in this mode
>>529069669He ground pounds twice, kills an okay amount for using an ability, and then has nothing and provides nothing to the team while he waits 40 seconds for his cooldown to come back
>>529070161his ground pound recharges on kill, hes sniper tier
>>529069669>what makes assault bad?He's only bad and useless in one game mode, in other modes he's okay.
>>529047414>analytics show 90% of players are using the studded pauldron>therefore we need to add more studded armor pieces
if your space marine OC from your favorite class got isekai'd as a female to our would would you date her?
>>529070636>introduce the studded pauldron>but not the Mark 3, 4 and 5 armourI bet when they do add Chaos customization of some kind they won't add pre-Heresy symbols and insignia.
>>529070732vanguard
jesus no
any EU niggas here want to squad up for siege?
>>529071413Not EU but post codes if you're helmet grinding.
>>529071580>if you're helmet grinding.what do you mean by this?
>>529069669Assault isn't bad, every other class is just better.
>>529071716The studded Primaris helmet needs wave 15 clears.
I have no idea why Saber is so obsessed with making everything as difficult as possible. Is their dev team infested with soulsfags or something?
Space Marine is supposed to be a power fantasy not a rollslop sweatfest.
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>HAVE to take plasma pistol side arm in siege mode incase i fight chaos
>>529071413sorry I planned to play tonight but I've had a debilitating headache and turned myself into a zombie with painkillers
>>529071904>50% waves are chaos>"incase"are you one of the guys who leave after wave 5?
>>529071874cool we can do that
i'm not a shitter or something
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>>529071928drink lots of water and piss it all out
>>529068282December, preceded by 2 month PTS.
how long does siege mode take? i might not have time
>>529072845hour to make it to wave 10
>>529072845>how long does siege mode take?Waves 1-5 is an entire Operation
>>529072845If you plan to go beyond 15 waves, get ready for at least 1,5-2h session.
rolling chaos for the third area is a run killer
holy shit
at least with tyranids the gaunts die if you kill warriors and extremis nids
the only thing i hate are spore mines out of nowhere
>>529073461I guess just quit out if you start a game and it's chaos
why would you even fucking join siege mode just to quit out after five waves?
>>529075067sry gf came over
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>>529075067>thanks, bruh, I've had enough, gotta do some partying now
>>529075067sorry bro, my hot wife wants to fuck
so whats the point of iron hands going through all the space marine biological mutations if they are just going to replace their bodies with machine parts?
>>529075067Sorry brother, its Friday. Gotta go out drinking with da boyz. WAAAAAAAAAGH
>>529076668Unchecked space autism that would be put in check if their primarch was still there and didn't die like a bitch
>>529076668Ferrus died and they can't handle that.
They need something to blame, so they blame Ferrus for being weak. Why was he weak? Because the legion thought his metal arms were rad as fuck and strove to emulate that, but he kept telling them to knock it off and that he was going to return his arms to flesh as soon as he had the chance. He said metal arms were gay and then he died, so obviously HE was gay for not accepting metal arms, therefore the Iron Hands need to go overboard and be metal everything.
>>529075067>Doing a normal because I just want to get to 25 and clear this once >Im heavy, one tact, one assault>Tact is clearly the dogshit player of us, should have quit the moment I heard him hotmic tv shows >First five waves, no problems>Next five waves, tact goes down 4-5 times, he's already burning points on marines for no reason, assault burns his point on a dread at wave 10>Next five waves, both of them go down endlessly, I'm the only one that actually holds this shit together and kills everything >In elevator for waves 15 to 20>They both vote yes>Im thinking look at least I am carrying, whats the worse that can happen maybe we can get to 25 anyway>tact goes down>assault goes down >They BOTH fucking quit on Wave 16 Why the fuck would you vote to continue, then BOTH FUCKING QUIT.
Anyway, fuck this mode, fuck this game, and fuck these outdated design choices, I should be able to continue from wave 20 from now on instead of having to do another 1-2 hours just to get to this point. I finished to wave 20 and quit and I wont be returning. It took me two hours to get to this point and I have no desire to go do this again and again with hopeless fuckwits just to never reach 25. Didn't even get a single person to join the game, because of course fucking not, their shitty servers can't handle the concept of replacing players as they quit.
Anyway here is my hot tip, never go to where the wave start is, go to the opposite side of the map, it funnels everything and makes its easier rather than getting surrounded by these trash spawns.
>>529071889They listened to the (((community)))
>>529076668body dismorphia. iron troons
>>529081656The max I've got is wave 23 so far:
If 1 player quits, it's impossible to finish simply because you won't have enough points
If 1 player is dogshit it's impossible to carry, we had a tact that went down like 10 times and did 1/3 of the damage we each did, without proper team mates you can't make it to 25.
>mission timer resets forever
Great update
>>529082983Thats obscene, I hate it
>>529081656I think many in this general continue to undetestimate how many of this games player base are not minmaxed, fully prestiged, fully upgraded builds. The vast majority of players are casuals looking for a fun shooter, or warhammer mini fans who want to play a warhammer vidya thats not darktide. Expecting randos to be competent and logical is a fools errand.
Anyone want to play siege mode? I swear I'm not a shitter. That said the furthest I've gotten so far was wave 14 on hard with randoms. If I had competent teammates THAT WOULDN'T DROP THE DREAD BEFORE THEN WE WOULD WIN.
>>529081656>Anyway here is my hot tip, never go to where the wave start is, go to the opposite side of the map, it funnels everything and makes its easier rather than getting surrounded by these trash spawns.This makes too much sense. Of course nobody would do this.
>>529081656Yeah, on hard i can get up to level 10 with dead weight or shit teammates but getting into 2 or more bosses plus 5 or more terminus plus a dozen majoris is just too much unless i bring some super optimized build that just actually fun to play. If i got at least double points then maybe because i could actually farm up Valtus fast enough but as a solo you simply do not have enough points to try unless you buy nothing but the basic guardsmen levels.
I'm not expecting minmaxing since i'm not even past prestige two on anybody (literally just rejoined a week ago to prep for this update) and I can understand the occasional fuck up into stunlock but fuck me they can't even do damage while getting fucked up.
I do not know who they are balancing the game around half the time but it is most certainly not for any new players because they'll bounce right the fuck off all this bullshit.
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>3 melees
wish me luck
i died level 5 hard vs chaos. like its not even fun. i can see why you basically just melta cheese and heal spam
so grabbing a melta bomb and playing a class that can replenish it is pretty fucking handy for siege
both heavy and the sniper can do it
>>529089756Tactical has a perk that regens equipment every 60 seconds
I fucking hate Biovores why did they add this shit?
>>529089923huh never noticed that
>>529089743I'm using the bolter carbine and a melta pistol on my vanguard.
anyone have a video of beating hard? what would you even do other than roll slop and melta? you cannot stand still to shoot anything and if you melee terminators they will stagger you
is the melta pistol worth using over the plasma on heavy?
>>529092361If you're using a slow mid-long range weapon it's really good for clearing out little guys as a backup.
>>529092361i cant remember the last time i used my sidearm on heavy
>>529090335Be glad they got nerfed.
You can get a pretty good looking Marines Malevolent now. Debating on a full head stripe or just one to the brows.
idk bros this is total horse shit. i wanted to spend my weekend playing siege but now i dont even want to. its like the devs gave you a bunch of tools and only 5% of the tools can actually beat the game. you cant do anything fun. it doesnt feel like you are a space marine at all. you are fighting dozens of terminators and have to roll around like a faggot and use the handful of weapons and nades and abilities that do damage
>>529093653Yup, should have been you play as a generic marine and you buy/level in-match
>>529093716I know this honestly looks better but the full face stripe makes me seem like a bigger asshole. There's some kind of "yeah I know it looks like shit and I'm going to fuck this up" kind of feeling about it. Link related at 22 seconds if the link doesn't get the time.
https://youtu.be/aeHlVo__Gmk?t=22
>>529093653Yeah I was gonna use siege to finally finish my prestiges but after a few runs I think I’m out. Farthest I got was level 20 on hard and it was a horrible time. Went out to being stunlocked by neurovore shockwaves and a pair of lictors. Nothing I could really do.
>Get to wave 24
>Someone leaves
>Still get to wave 25
>Eat shit because we don't have enough points for a dread since we needed to dump resources into medpacks
I stayed late at work, too. There goes my entire evening.
>>529094243he probably DC'd if it was at 24
>>529094171You were better off doing it on absolute before the update when it was stupid easy to do quick runs of it.
>join siege
>one guy already down
>the other eats dirt just as I join in
>get to work and revive them both
>take a closer look
>they're both lamenters
>>529096613I refuse to get mad at lamenters who suck they're just roleplaying
>>529094243Should have brought a Heavy. Full HP on revive makes it easy to not chew through medkits.
>>529092682Applies a flat amount
>play like shit on purpose
why is saber like this
>>529097596Really i thought they scaled off base gun damage.
>>529097712they scale off sidearm rarity
>>529096957I was a heavy. The issue with wave 25 is that, with a bot doing fuckall plus no dread, there isn't enough damage output to offset enemy spawns. There's absolutely zero chance you can sit there and trade because the instant you break from cover to go after the sorcerer reviving the rubrics, two terminators launch missiles and all 3 helbrutes run at you. Full health on revive is meaningless if it gets deleted 1.7 seconds after you stand back up.
>2 idiots want to continue
>you're forced to sit through it
>1 person decides they want to stop
>you lose a player and will fail with no way for others to join
"Announcement of SM3 doesn't mean SM2 will go to shit!"
Any codes for Hard siege mode?
Literally if you took HD2 and slapped a 40k skin on it, it would be better than SM2 in every way.
>You're just a space marine on a ship
>Pick your loadout from a range of weapons and passives, no restrictions
>Go into a randomised objective mission on a planet of your choosing against an enemy of your choosing
>Get credits after you finish
>Use that credits to purchase any of the base weapons/passives/transmogs in the game or use real money to buy access to DLC weapon/armor/transmogs and use credits to unlock those
>no story objectives but the overarching war objectives, no rehasing the best mission over and over, no 'gamification' between different modes so operations requires X and Siege requires Y
>Players can join/leave freely, missions at at most 30 minutes long and you never feel cheated or fucked over because of others
Everything Sabre does is because they refuse to just allow people to have fun, its all this arbitary bullshit on what a "AAA" studio is so they slap in a campaign AND operations AND PvP AND now Sieges, and we don't even have horde mode yet. Its so tiring to see such a good IP wasted, but I guess thats why 40k doesn't get good games, its always what they 'think' 40k is about and never just about making a good game with a 40k skin.
>>529100842>and we don't even have horde mode yet.pretty sure the Siege mode was advertised as horde mode, the time in the roadmap lines up. They simply gave it a stupid name that doesn't even fit. this is it. this is all we're getting as modes, that we know so far. on the 30th they said there will be a community update, maybe a new roadmap. I'm expecting nothing.
>>529100842>and we don't even have horde mode yetWhat do you think siege mode is?
>>529099965No player joining after one quits/disconnects is bullshit
You have to post a code for someone to join
why do low level players with non-relic weapons and not even prestiged play hard mode siege? fuck off and stop wasting everyone else's time
>go to 100 to 0 cause you randomly get ran over by a bionigger and some range nigger hits you
ebin
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I've seen this several times, where somebody is the ''host'' and we have to go to their battle barge, but they aren't even loaded in yet. I guess they are stuck on a loading screen, but what are they loading in to if we are going to their battle barge.
As expected, wave 15 is completely unwinnable with randoms. IDK why I reinstalled.
>buy hundreds of cadians
>none of them show up
reinforcement purchases should be permanent and respawn at the start of each wave
and the waves eventually just get extreme enough that you lose anyway
>>529109628and the dread should only be summonable at waves with bosses and stay for the entire wave. nerf him if you want, but 3 minutes with him deleting the bosses instantly is fucking boring compared to a longer fight along side the dread. make him respond to the FOR THE EMPEROR emote too and holy shit it would be so fun
>>529108876Best randoms run was wave 12 and we got wiped.
>Join game
>Someone else picked vanguard
>They don't have the healing team perk
>Leave and try again
>Repeat for over two hours
>>529109214if all of you buy 80 cadians they just keeping spawn out of nowhere
>>529111591just post codes
grinding hard with randoms is too difficult
>>529090773Probably because it was added this update, replacing his one bad team perk because tactical was the weakest class in the game
>>529108876>>529111462Im amazed I got to 13 on my first try on hard, wasn't even maxed and was playing Heavy.
This shit just isn't fun, I feel I have to minmax the fuck out of a fully prestige class to have even a remote shot.
>>529109628>>529110335Every Cadian, Dread and Marine support should be active 24/7 and the map should be the end of Inferno but larger, because that would be fun and not this tiny 90s tier no fun allowed system.
>>529116586I've some teams roll for Tyranids on waves 1-5 so that waves 11-15 will also be Tyranids
Chaos on the 3rd area is absolute hell and impossible to do sidequests for dreadnought points
>>529116586As said before, normal mode is the way to go. Hard mode isn't hard, it's just unfair. The only winning move is cheese strats beyond a certain point.
>>529100842This nigger is back again demanding a game that doesn't exist. What are people suppose to do with your wet dream? Applaud you? Call you a moron with no taste?
>>529097712It scales off of the guns base damage, which means the higher damage variants will also do more damage.
>>529117507>video games discussion? On my /vg/?Kill yourself
>>529117661It's not a discussion, it's a one person unrealistic wishlist. Yeah, it'd be great if SM2 was magically not as fucked as it is, but your hypothetical is neither realistically achievable nor the desires of the rest of the playerbase. There's literally nothing to say about it in a discussion about SM2.
You'd have more success going to the thread for helldivers and asking if anyone has made a 40k skin for it.
>>529118156>I dont like it therefore ban this discussionUpvoted my dude
>>529117661Where is this video game you're talking about then? Is it in this thread? On the internet? Your autistic rant was just you shouting into the void. What discussion were you even hoping to achieve? You don't like this game, we get it, but you ever thought that maybe the game you want to talk about - which doesn't even exist - sounds uninspired and mediocre to many people?
>>529118224Can't say that when I've participated in the discussion to the fullest. See
>Yeah, it'd be great if SM2 was magically not as fucked as it isThat's all there is to say about your idea
It's entirely correct but also not new insight or helpful to anyone
>>529118392>Everyone is one poster>STOP POSTING ABOUT THINGS I DONT LIKE Firstly, not my OP, secondly, whine more. People can post what they think is good/bad and compare games and features. You just sound like a bitch lmao.
just fucking get a room already you two
>>529118516We're in a room, its called bitch about Siege and dream that Sabre wasn't incompetent
>>528944239 (OP)I want to get the game during the steam sale, should I get any dlc?
>>529118949don't. dlcs are for cosmetic items only.
>>529118949How much do you care about the dress-up sidegame? Is there any chapter you'd specifically want to recreate?
>>529118301>sounds uninspired and mediocre to many people?HD2 has 10x the player base of SM2 I think its fair to say SM2 is the uninspired and mediocre game to everyone.
>>529118949No, don't support them beyond the base game. Its mostly bad cosmetics.
That's it. I quit this fucking game. Randoms are insanely retarded and so are the devs. The game is a glorified doll dressup simulator anyway. I might quit online games all together and retire to stress free single player RPGs like all the high IQ people. Fuck humanity
>>529120260Ive been playing the new Dune game, thats been chill
>>529120260I’m literally only playing this until the Rimworld DLC comes out
>>529120467So was I but there's nothing to do after 150 hours and building all the advanced machinery for the cheevo, pvp is mid and entirely avoidable, ganking is for kids and thirdies with lower mental capacities, gonna play Rogue Trader again I guess, the new DLC is out. I was thinking about darktide but again that is a retarded game with retarded devs and players, the top streamers are some nigger and a russian, hard pass, I think I finally grew out of online games, god bless
>>529120804Yeah all of that is true, I hit 113 hours and now its a bit boring without any real PvE end-game or balanced PvP modes.
>I was thinking about darktide but again that is a retarded game with retarded devs and playersI would rather be forced to do Siege on hard with retards all day than touch that mess of a game again.
>>529121110>I would rather be forced to do Siege on hard with retards all day than touch that mess of a game again.lmao, yeah I'm in the same boat, stay safe out there anon
>>529002806>making stealth last minute changes to the battle pass What makes this whole situation even more baffling is that they are supposed to announce a Year 2 battle pass between July and August. Or were at least. Fantastic optics Saber!
For anyone blessed with a gift of sight and a bit of grey matter this will prove not only that these devs are incompetent but they also hold their players in deep contempt.
>>529120260Yeah, I'm not driven up the wall to that point (yet). I still play it with my friends every now and then. And with siege update this will probably continue for a while at least. But honestly, I have a bunch of single player games to play and I've been putting off reading dozens of books. Much like
>>529120804 I can survive without multiplayer "experience".
>>529002806>Add Hammer to Bulwark >One of his three point systems in Siege is 'Block attacks with shield'Nice one. Well thought out.
>>529002806>New PvP Just delete PvP already
>>529123046>also finally make intimidating aura work on block weapons>his second quest is "follow a parry up with a gunstrike"Saber put their best to work on this mode and it shows
The lack of even basic intelligence is amazing in Siege. I was doing a normal and in the 5th wave one guy went down twice and another went down once, because they stood right in the middle where the start wave blue beam was, which was a big open platform with nids spawning from three places around them.
I just left that area, moved just a touch over, and every single enemy was now funneled through a tight corridor and solo'ed 90% of the wave. Do you think most players have even the basic level of intelligence to think that perhaps the place where devs tell you to stand is not smart? Do they lack any pattern recognition at all to realise that every time they stood there, they had enemies come from every direction?
>>529125003I do get that though
The entire premise is defending the fortress from the attackers, and if you're backing off to a corner and just holding you'll feel like you're cheesing it. It feels like the enemy should just avoid you and swarm the fortress since you're avoiding them.
Then again, if these players can't handle wave 5 on normal maybe they should be taking that advantage.
Of course this could've been avoided with very simple design. Place a generator or whatever immovable mcguffin in the area and have the AI try to destroy it if the players aren't nearby, mission is lost if it's destroyed. Now you have to hold at the front instead of the back and there's an additional layer of mechanic that can make the game more engaging.
Alas, saber and their players are alike I guess.
>>529125587>Place a generator or whatever immovable mcguffin in the area and have the AI try to destroy it if the players aren't nearbyThat would be absolutely horrible and a shitty experience. Both DRG and HD2 do this and its a dogshit mechanic.
If you are using a melta in Siege Mode you are fucking useless and a retard that relies on a "crutch". Never got pass wave 20 with 2 meltafags on my team because their useless gun sucks at taking out majoris, extermis and terminus enemies like holy shit. I've cleared to 25 easily with a fucking tact using a bolt rifle and an assault many times with me as a sniper.
STOP USING THE MELTA IT'S GAY!
>>529125724Melta has been shit since day 1 but at least I always knew if I had to put in effort or not, its like a big "im a retard" beacon.
>>529125851Could easily kill 4 or more majoris before a meltafag could even bring down the one majoris they are fighting.
Brothers.
I'm about to play my 1st game of Siege, anything i should know / be aware of ?
>>529127610If you get to waves 11-15, expect half your time in each wave being trying to stop the 2-3 lictors/raveners/both from chain grabbing you while dealing with warriors, or fighting to get out of a massive blob to kill 2 biovores, all of whom almost immediately respawn the second you kill them
Have they stopped you from being able to skip the intro idents?
Recharging the lascannons is the worst side objective
>>529125003What classes? Because as heavy sometimes i run straight into the spawn area of something (usually chaos since no fucking ravener or lictor grabs) just to start chain stomping shit.
>>529131181If they cut the spin time in half, it wouldn't be nearly as insufferable. It's really noticeable with the Hierophant because of the acid attack
All I need to be happy is for them to remove the stupid fucking class restrictions.
>>529127895I can handle that. Just please give me 2 randoms that don't immediately fold under pressure. 15 is as far as I make it because I have to hard carry shitters.
5M4KH
Normal siege, starting at wave 11 becuase two fucking shitters left at wave 5
>>529127610Start the round the leave the area, opposite side of the map is better so you dont get surrounded.
Save the Dread for round 15. Everything after 15 is basically impossible anyway.
You can quit, if the other two guys died six times, spent all their points on a round 9 Dread and brought meltas when you get to 5/10/15/ect just select return, you get your rewards its not a democratic vote its a quit option.
You will get to round 15, the final few enemies left, then crash to desktop with 0 rewards. Expect it.
>>529133982What? I got a DC a while back at the start of wave 11 and when I got back in I had all my rewards already there. Skins, points. Everything except for the XP on the guns.
>>529002806>Siege is the horde modeI genuinely thought we would get 6 man horde mode. Fuck what a wasted game, they probably cancelled it for SM3 the jews.
>>529134951Lucky you I didnt for a wave 20
>>529133943Wave 16 1 spot left
so has siege mode proven the "we can't add more enemies, they have to be small waves of bullet sponges" thing was a complete lie?
>>529135846Small development team, please understand
>>529135846Definitely feels like it. Game feels great on Normal. I tried Hard Siege and idk, the fun was gone and replaced with tedium.
>>529134982>6 man horde modeNo can do sir, performance would drop too much
On that note, I don't even think it's necessarily just because consoles are limited, because my moderately old graphics card starts to struggle around wave 18 on normal mode and meanwhile I have not experienced any of the same in darktide even when hacking through a massive horde with fire effects all around. I'm not nearly experienced enough in graphics processing fields to know what the issue is, but darktide does handle large enemy groups much better.
>>529134982You will engage with 3 man squads with no class overlap and you will be happy
Tact, Bulwark, Heavy for siege. Sorry Assault you're a liability with no good range, Sniper you're not bad but not good enough and Vanguard you're a meme lacking damage and you're redundant because of Heavies full heal.
>>529136196I genuinely don't believe it's impossible to have 6-man siege mode. Console performance is one thing, but PvP works well with 6 people on the team AND you're up against other 6 players. Plus everyone's using their abilities etc. They are simply to lazy to implement it because that means putting actual work into it and that's assuming they have people in their office who can do this. Maybe they were shifted to code Turok, that KOTOR remake or 4 other games they got going.
As for graphics, I suppose a truckload of enemies, chaos in particular, having the VFX dialed up to 11 might tank performance a bit, but I fail to see how three more players or even two would cause the game to fall on its face. Btw, If the effects were toned down by 50-70% I think we'd see massive improvement, I'm not an expert on the matter either, it's just a hunch.
>>529137227>If the effects were toned down by 50-70% I think we'd see massive improvement, I'm not an expert on the matter either, it's just a hunch.HD2 does this by using jpegs for explosions. Most people don't even notice they're not looking at some fancy VFX.
>>529127610>>529127895>>529133982>1st game>2 teammate leave me alone after wave 15>No one join>Die alone at wave 20Meh.
Can people even join a Siege already in progress ?
Biovores are single handedly making me prefer fighting chaos on siege.
>>529137710I've seen it happen maybe twice
>>529137917>Be Heavy>Take shield damages enemies>Instantly pops any spores in the air or ground without them touching you Can't relate
>>529137710>Can people even join a Siege already in progress ?Its either bugged, or set to only happen in the early game Ive joined a round 3 and 1
>>529134982>6 man horde mode>6
>>529137993I wouldn't mind the spores if the fuckers didn't zoom around the map and dig in so you can't headshot them all the fucking time.
>>529117626So doing the one shot inferno pistol does nothing for it?
Damn, well back to the plasma pistol then, at least I can use that between overheats or to soften up the really distant stuff
>>529136416>3 man squads with no class overlapthis sucks too
imagine how kino six strabans would be as a wall of lead
or wall of APHEAT rounds i suppose
how's Bulwark for siege? i imagine the shock grenade on parry is really helpful when you're getting ganked
>>529139147Required for the banner heal, rest of his kit whatever, as long as you bring parry deals AoE you're fine.
>>529139147He's good. Paired with vanguard umatched zeal and your team is pretty much unkillable.
>>529137297Huh, didn't realize that. Just goes to show you can still get creative in gamedev without resorting to players' graphics cards doing all the heavy lifting.
>>529138049The only way to join in progress games that are far in is through friends list
>>529141685nvm joining quick play
>>529144054Yes and yes
2/3
>>529144181give me 4 minutes!!!!
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>>529144383Yeah also got that just as the mission launched
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I'll host.
Hard EU Siege
BNQFY
>>529144629full. sorry mate.
How do you get these red, white and blue weapon skins?
>>529145662Every full sector clear in siege gives a random skin for a weapon the class you're playing has access to. 18 hours or so to get all the skin colours for all the weapons.
didn't the update just drop? why isn't there double XP
fucking sick of this prestige shit
Why sometime a character speak portuguese lmao. Fucking bugged update.
Is it just me or there are these un-dismissable "!" for all the saved paintjobs? I have looked under every armor piece but can't find what's supposed to be new, not even the new DLC colours or sigils. It's fucking up my OCD.
>>529144568I fucking crashed. Screw this game.
>>529150316post another code anon, i need somebody to play with.
>>529151691I'm cooking dinner. I can play another one in 10-15 minutes.
>>529151820ok just post when ready then, no rush im playing for the rest of the night
>>529150316Wanted to ask if you could try reconnecting to your own code but had the captcha 2 min cooldwon. We cleared 15, barely.
>>529152073I did try that. It said the code is expired.
Imagine not having a rejoin function in your co-op game in Anno Domini 2025.
People are shockingly bad at Hard Siege. I may as well have been playing solo up to Wave 10 before we buckled completely.
i feel naked without my shield
>lose wave 10 because of a moron Bulwark wasting points when we were pooling for a dread
>retard buys a relic
>we can't even buy stims because we pooled it all and we all have lethal wound
>>529155031You know what to do Brother.
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EU Hard Siege go.
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>>529156247Says expired for me, full already?
>>529069669thats unironically why he does not get buffed/reworked.
assault stomps on lower difficulty if he is overleveled, wich seems to be the bar the devs set for balancing decisions.
reality for assault in absolute:
>face 3 devourers and 2 venom cannons>die
>Tech Marine
>Melee weapon + Sidearm
>has no traditional primary, instead the primary is attached to a servo arm and shoots automatically for you giving 360 degree coverage
>Class skill is a deployable Tarantula turret that you can customize and change weapons with perks
screencap this
>>529158530Here's his loadout. His class ability is going to be mounted a bolter akin to HBR (maybe even two of them).
>>529158530Already confirmed he has primaries.
>>529158787Correction, it's a rocket pod or something closer to a plasma incinerator. HBR threw me off due to visual ID entry name. My bad.
>>529159005they do but they don't control it directly
>>529160053He does, it's already confirmed the Heavy Bolt Pistol is the sidearm used by his special ability. He won't spawn anything, you activate the mechadendrite like e.g. Heavy's Iron Halo and it starts autofiring.
>>529158530>>529160053>shoots automaticallygrim if true, i've got enough of retards aggroing everything around them
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>>529161268I have a string of updates.
First, Lamenter #2 had a wardrobe change.
>>529161268Next, Atlantian Spears #1.
>>529161268Dark Angels #10 is similarly now a Lamenter.
>>529161982This Atlantian looks almost like a Lamenter.
Hydra dominatus!
>>529161268Then Consecrators #1, again now a Lamenter.
>>529161268Mantis Warriors #2. Again, Lamenters.
>>529161268And finally, Deathwatch #17. Lamenters.
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So I guess I can go fuck myself if I'm running a carbine sniper.
>>529161268Based. Thanks for taking care of it.
>>529162864many such cases
>>529162429>>529162643>>529162845>want to play a lamenter>don't want to pay for the dlc out of principle
>Parry Biovore
>He phases through me and I eat the cannon blast follow-up
>Gun strike Majoris
>No cHP return so I go from a potential 100% HP recovery down to 10%
Devs need to sort their shit out. The game is falling apart at the seams with every update.
>>529161268DudeWall Anon is giving Saber run for their money with all this attention to detail. You have my respect Brother.
Emperor provides!
>>529166336suffer for frogposting
>>529167123This, I had an unstartable game earlier. The timer kept counting down from 5 to 1 and resetting.
siege mode is really exhausting brehs....
wave 6 and im already tired
and the lemon doesnt fee like it's worth the squeeze fun factor wise
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Anybody try this combo? Seems pretty good on paper.
>>529168762A meme, Inferno pistol still sucks
They should have given it a autoreload upon gunstrike
>>529168843It's good on siege because you can do Class Challenges with it.
>>529168762I'm not sure how it multiplies but you'd be better off just blasting off a las fusil shot point-blank in most cases
The one shot inferno pistol already kills minoris I believe and it still won't to good damage to majoris
>>529168715well are you playing with randoms or
>>529168715You only need to do it properly on Hard up until wave 15 to unlock the bonded studded helmet, after that you can play on Normal until you get the Ultramarine pauldron.
Thing is most randoms suck and will quit at wave 5, the game will not replace the AI with a player and now you're fucked.
Couple the fact that most returning players aren't even max prestige or are using shit guns.
Then you need a maxed Vanguard for the heal, a Tactical to spam Auspex and maybe a Bulwark for another healer, Heavy for Bonds of Brotherhood or a Sniper for fast stealth heal.
>>529168937Class challenges are an even bigger meme, what is more important is that the sidequests are done for bigger requisition points for the dreadnought
>hard siege mode
>level 19-22 character
>lvl1 prestige 2-3 faggot
>faggot still leveling up guns...in hard siege
>assault
>guy with 700-900 points not hiring anybody in later waves
>faggot searching all of the map for items in the middle of a wave
>faggot who doesn't buy ammo/heals for the team
>>529171420this is why you post codes
>>529171420The level 1 shitters are the worst
do the chaos gates themselves deal damage? when i jump in as assault i cant figure out whats damaging me
It's kinda bullshit that when your team recruits a Dreadnought it spawns far away from the map and it takes a couple of minutes to reach your position and even then it will engage with Minoris/Majoris targets instead of the Helbrutes/Carnifex/Neuros
Saber is stupid, the Dreadnought should target Terminus at every opportunity and when they're dead they should hit Extremis from the way down, they shouldn't bother with Minoris unless they're the only ones left
>>529175221astartes and dreadnaught should arrive in a drop pod
>>529176284what about the maps where you're inside a building?
>>529176284>single battle brother>drop podNo, their spawns are fine
Dreadnought should and the drop pod should damage and knockback enemies except for allies
>>529176489Just spawns out of nowhere but near at least 2/3 of the players
>Tactical has a sliver of health
>Put a ravener into execute, ping it
>Nothing happens
>It becomes active again
>Repeat, then actually look to see where this guy is
>Other side of the map by himself pistoling down gaunts
>>529176489have drop pods drill their way through the structure, the metal way.
>waves 1-3
don't waste points on stupid shit outside of ammo, if you need health at this point you suck or have bad intrawebs that you can't parry/block
>wave 4-5
hire 80 guardsmen and that's it
>wave 6-8
if chaos don't waste resources on guardsmen, hire a space marine heavy instead
if tyranids it's okay to hire 80 guardsmen
>wave 9-10
hire a heavy
>wave 11-14
hire a heavy, don't bother hiring guardsmen since they'll be erased immediately
>wave 15
hire a heavy
only hire the dreadnought once the 3x terminus enemies show up
>>529176489have you noticed in operations there are somehow drop pods indoors for weapon swaps
>>529177459ya wtf how did they get there??
Always remember to make your Dudes stylish Brothers!
>fashion anon should come over and assess every Dude on the Dude Wall
XCBE6
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>>529177629a team of three battle brothers(all that could be spared) was tactically deployed to carry the drop pods to indoor locations, maneuvered cooperatively up stairs and around corners like furniture
>>529177941Almost every piece is an Ultramarine armour, I just use the default and put my preferred helmet
>>529178413I thought codes don't work in the middle of the session in siege.
>>529179076don't they? oh well, an attempt was made. frankly, i didn't even think i would ever get that far. first guy bailed out after second sector clear, second guy bought dread at the start of wave 18 and disconnected (?) and i was kinda winging it until three carnis appeared and thought like well, maybe i will ask anons for help if i'm that close to clearing. how do i even check what stuff i unlocked?
>>529002806Making any PvP content for this game was a mistake. It should'v been PvE only.
>>529179781You can join halfway through if you have that person on steam friends list. Shame about your comp, but that's what happens with randoms.
>brotha summon valtius in wave 14
I smell heresy
>>529180136I joined a wave 12 hard mode siege with a max Vanguard and a level 20 Heavy with a HBR
We wiped because the Heavy sucked and kept dying, Iron Hands too
I think the host needs to post codes if they want players to come in because for whatever reason the game doesn't replace players who leave
>>529180675>for whatever reason the game doesn't replace players who leaveI once joined a siege mid wave 3. but maybe they just started 2/3
>>529181092I think players can autojoin if they're in the first area but in the second area and beyond no one else can join unless the host posts codes
It's fucking stupid, I'm guessing Saber doesn't want players to get the helmet easily by piggybacking off pros
>>529178985Devs need to stop being fuckers and mirror every cosmetic for every limb at least.
>>529182075>default undamaged Primaris armour>Deathwatch armour>Primaris Phobos helmet
I'd like a black shoulder pattern that's semi transparent, so you can apply it to your dude and have, say, and Ultramarines logo only just barely visible beneath the black paint.
Then add flame effects, or even just patterns, so we can have some Legion of the Damned action.
>>529183098are legion of the damned all chapters or just iron hands? i assumed it was just the fallen space marines of IH given that's its supposed to be lead by a ghostly Ferrus Manus.
the welding mask helmet is the only primaris helmet I would willingly wear
>>529184056i thought it was the burning falcons or whatever from the cursed founding.
>>529184056Legion of the damned are implied to be the fire hawks, a chapter that disappeared with their fortress monastery in the warp.
It's still very ambiguous whether they actually are the fire hawks corrupted by the warp, revenant fallen space marines from across time and space, warp manifestations akin to daemons of the emperor, or some combination of these things.
>>529184680>>529184903i think legion of the damned being fallen of all the chapters is much more cool than it just being fire hawks desu.
I hope GW explores them more one day, could make for an insane model range.
>>529184056Iron hands have never been specifically linked to LotD until the ferrus rumors started spreading. The Fire Hawks have always been the chapter that's singularly linked to them, what with their disappearance and that one dropped off fire hawks coffin. The other theories are things like them being from any chapter's fallen marines or being imperial daemons.
>>529184056>its supposed to be lead by a ghostly Ferrus ManusThat is pure headcanon based on Horus Heresy lore where the Emperor summoned psychic manifestations, and one of them was described as a giant with metal arms. There is zero connection between this event and the Legion of the Damned.
Furthermore, Uriel Ventris encountered the Legion during a conflict with the Iron Warriors, and having noticed barely legible Ultramarines iconography dating back 10k years, the legionary (who is implied to be Ventanus, a captain who fought the Word Bearers during the Heresy) whispered M'kar's true name and gave him a dagger that would obliterate the daemon prince's soul.
>>529184056They're basically fallen Spess Mehreens whose souls refuse to be devoured by Chaos so they're powered by the Emprah in the warp
That's why they can show up in numerous battle zones all at once and will always have as many Spess Mehreens as they need
The Emprah's psychic might is limited and fractured so they only show up in the most dire of situations
>>529185349> A giant among giants, its great hands bared and ready as it seared forwards at the crest of the tidal fire. The tenth son of a dying empire, so briefly reborn in his father’s immolating wrath.lets be real its a cool way to bring ferrus back without re-aliving him like some emperor palpatine bullshit
>>529186149cant wait for the dow 1 remaster so i can hear SPESH MARINES again and also DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO
>Have crossplay turned off
>Try to matchmake for operations
>Get a warning that I failed to join a game because crossplay is turned off
Every single patch just makes the game unravel even more. By 10.0 we'll be lucky if our weapons even deal damage.
I'm starting to think a lot of the people playing this game are actually bots. Three times in a row now I've joined a lobby with someone afk at the armory, who then swaps to a level 6 conflicting class when the start timer reaches 80 seconds left before going afk again.
>>529188629coop games are full of dense retards. no manners as well. i used to play with a guy (because all my irl friends hate games like this) that would start searching for a match and then went to get a drink or pee for 10minutes straight. and its not like i did not say aynthing. told him that this behavior is ass, kept doing it.
block weapons feel so tacked on. its fine for the fast weapons but what the fuck is block hammer even supposed to do. this thing is way too slow to actually get attacks off in that short window.
EU Hard Siege.
Get in here.
VDNQK
>>529189745can thou wait 5 minutes for me?
>>529190096sure, assuming nobody else joins up, but it's empty so far.
>>529188629This is the really of modern multiplayer games. The percentage of players that have even prestiged one class is probably 10% at best.
Is Siege good for getting xp? Is there a new player progression guide?
>>529189745we have a sniper
>>529190096hurry up you lazy schmuck we are waiting on ur ass.
2/3
>>529190096come on man, we're waiting.
>>529186149There are conflicting in-canon speculative theories by the Imperium on who or what the Legion of the Damned are. One of the other prominent theories is that they're a physical manifestation of the entirety of humanity's belief in what the Astartes represent. That they're the Angels of the Emperor, purging Terra's enemies in a maelstrom of righteous fury. And that belief conjures them from the Warp during the most dire of circumstances. Always appearing when Imperial Forces are on the brink of crippling defeat. Appearing from choking smog, unflinching, impervious to even the deadliest of weapons, their bolters firing without end and without need for reloading. Chaos Marines that have fought against them in melee combat have retreated in fear, as the Legion effortlessly parry and riposte any attack thrown at them. They never get knocked off their feet, they never tire, they just come at you like a freight train constantly. Then, the moment they wipe out whatever was about to decimate a planet, or cause the deaths of trillions, they vanish into the smoke as quickly as they arrived. And another effect on top of that, whether willing or not, they slowly erase the memories of their presence to all who have seen them. The strongest of wills barely retain the memory of what happened for a week at most.
>>529190761No its actually horrific for XP. Best way is highest difficulty Inferno.
>>529168715Its the map design. Every single fight is identical because every single map is identical, I call these CoD maps because it was CoD that popularised open ended maps where no matter where you stand its not possible to cover all directions enemies come from.
But its boring. It means you dont get excited to get any variety, you wont get 10-15 on a bridge and go "thank god this one is easy they all come from one direction" or "fuck its the tight maze map", its the same wave, over and over, with no variety or anything to look forward to.
>>529191586Do bots scale with your level or difficulty?
if you take health dmg before wave 10 just quit. hard doesnt even get hard until 18.
retards
>>529191732How fucked up will my connection be from US east?
>>529193247one way to find out, burgerman
>>529193247we already started anon
>>529192540Difficulty. The only thing that matters is your weapon, the final 2 tiers are what you need for the final difficulty.
redpill me on the volkite pistol, is it worth using?
>>529193794it has good dps for a pistol. the gunstrikes are weak. its terrible vs hordes. the best weapon to get rid of mines.
its reasonable vs bosses
its good vs biovores
its excellent vs majoris
its god awful vs zoans oh god pls end it
>lvl 24 and 1/2
i love the prestige system
>>529198129Remember when we thought we would just get more levels and passives, good times
>>529198512Why would you think they would do that instead of copy the WWZ system?
So I just got back into the game for the update and got my friends into the game as well. I prestiged and they hate being low level. What's the best way to level us up?
>>529200316Spam Absolute Inferno.
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It's a real shame they didn't think to implement a banner customization or give us option to select from.
Why would they though? It's not like you can customize your marine anywa- oh wait....
>>529200396Okay thank you. Any tips for it? Should we be rushing the ending of the mission or stop to fight everything?
>>529200583small indie dev team please undetstand
>>529201063extermination rank grants extra xp. you can kill about 70% of all enemies in each section
Love how the Ordeal system has been completely abandoned.
>No new challenges for the Trygon mission
>No new challenges for Prestige
>No new challenges for Siege
>>529201597What part of
>SMALL>INDIE>DEVdo you not understand???
>>529201597Small development team please understand
>>529201597What's even the point of it? Unlocking lore blurbs?
>>529202538cosmetics. painfully slow. some of the ordeals are laughable
>block thousands of MELEE attacks as bulwark with your shieldfucking asinine
>>529202973It's an alternate way to unlock cosmetics
>>529202538It's an alternate way to unlock cosmetics, but it's a massive grind that really only exists to pad out play time numbers
>>529202973That was best done by going into an average Inferno with no bots, killing everything but 3 melee gaunts, then backing up into a corner and taping down your block button before going out for a couple hours. Wonderfully engaging gameplay, that.
To say nothing of the ordeals that were essentially just "eat shit on purpose against a specific enemy."
>>529203970nope. but im here.
>>529204078Decapitation is a little bit faster because the gaunts spawn infinitely when you're on the bridge set piece with the Hive Tyrant
Would any of yall anon's be willing to play through the campaign with me?
It's my second run so far
Fist or Power sword for assault
Do I have to charge up the entire animation for power fist to do full damage?
>>529210502there are three stages, you dont have to keep holding it after the third light up.
>>529210502I remember for like the first month in PvP you didn't have to and Bulwark was literally un-1v1able because of it. Dude could just walk up to anyone with the shield up and punch them back into 30k.
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Hey friends, haven't played since close to release. Assault can use power sword now. How strong is it compared to the chainsword, what is the best way to build it's perks (strong or fast style focus) and in general how often should I use each stance and when?
>>529212453i think chain sword and powersword are fairly similar. for powersword all the damage is from the power rake attack and the spin twirl. the speed vs power style really doesnt matter. its pretty one dimensional. power rake does better when you lock on, its a pretty cool attack though, a bit of ranged stagger that goes through majoris. people say chainsword is just shoulder bash spam but you have way more mix ups like stomping or the quick punch and kick. the biggest change for assault is the plasma pistol, the ranged stagger is so good, i find it makes him decent vs chaos
>>529213040Nice, how the fuck do I do the spin? I used to be able to do it and now I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it. I swear it was just swing, wait, swing again but that doesn't work.
>>529213040So just leave it in horde stance for cleaving through chaff and power rake big boys? When should I be using the twirl? And does the 2 perk on the first column change any breakpoints for the power rake attack?
>>529213273swing PAUSE YOU NIGGER UNTIL HE HOLDS A STANCE, then swing again
>>529213687I do that and literally nothing comes out. Like he's just sitting there. Do I need to have a specific perk for it to work or something?
>>529213810Let go of your movement keys.
>>529213361if you use the fencing power sword it can only hit one target in speed stance, so you might as well keep it in power stance. but there are perks that give you benefits for stand switch like a 10% melee boost, and speed is fast in general, so to get the most out of it you do need to stance switch which you can do while dodging. you can twirl whenever you want, it does a lot of damage to everything as long as a red attack isnt going to kill you. you can twirl minoris too, i always ground pound them anyways so my ability recharges. i use the four damage perks at the end of the tree and can one shot minoris with a power rake and also kill the ranged gaunts with a ground pound for the ability reset.
>be heavy
>have full heal on res perk
>other guys go down often
>work to clear out enough stuff around them to revive without instantly eating half hp
>other fucker charges right through everything, eating tons of hp damage, to revive them immediately even though i'm five feet away and cleaning up
why
>>529214263Do the stances affect power rake/twirl? Aside from whatever buffs you get for like 10 seconds from switching I mean.
No hard siege mode codes?
>>529161268Homebrew Chapter, the Stonehewn. Of Imperial Fists stock or so they claim, going back to an unknown founding late in the 34th Millenia, brought back to fighting strength and old traditions with Guilliman's Primaris reinforcements. Stalwart and as dependable as they come, with emphasis on siege warfare and defensive strategy. Cut and dry, like the bedrock Primarch they claim to descend from. Been fleshing them out, trying my hand at writing some battles for them.
>hard siege
>level 25 prestige 4 bulwark
>has mortal wound
>doesn't use either of his two medicae
am I missing something
>>529218390I see people holding on to 2 stims despite being at near 0 HP for ages for no reason other than they're retarded
>>529218390Returning Bulwarks think they can tank siege mode with a sliver of health like in Ruthless/Absolute only to get humbled hard.
Take the stims faggot.
>>529218527if you arent wounded, some weapons give huge damage buffs at low hp
>>529217842Stellar colorwork. Look like they're actually made out of stone.
>>529220927You think far too highly of the average player, as I've had arguments with someone because they think the 30% hp regen on extremis execute perk Vanguard has is the worst in slot option and refuse to accept Seige as the perfect reason as to why it's the only one anyone should use "because I'm retarded and am bad at the game"
noobs don't understand that you're meant to hire spess mehreens on later waves and instead will waste points on guardsmen that get killed easily
it's not like 40-80 of them spawn instantly
>>529221412i think cadians are neat
>>529221412They're useful as permanent filler on the map so you don't get shot, up to the maybe waves 11-15. I'm starting to feel like the dreadnought is a waste of the points with how much it's getting stuck on terrain and focusing exclusively on the chaff that's not in anyone's way
>>529221412They're cheap and their sole purpose is distracting enemies so you can catch your breath. Otherwise they're on a mad dash to you and the other players. It can give you a second to regroup if there's a bunch of guys they have to plow through first.
>>529222076I save it up for wave 15 and that's about it.
>>529221740they're only useful for later waves in tyranid sections
against chaos they disappear easily
a 5-minute invulnerable heavy battle brother is more economical, they should let us pick the gun for the ai without adjusting prices
>>529222175I only pull it on wave 10 and 15, and I'm debating just putting those points towards stims and relics instead because randoms and the people I play with are shit
No more hard siege mode codes?
>>529222331>wave 10If everyone has an extra marine and cadians you really don't need it then, you can spend your cash elsewhere and just keep it saved for 15.
>>529193301Burgers will always be the funniest nicknames for Americans to me, because originally a “burgher” was a European man from a “burgh,” or a rising, wealthy city that was expanding in the wake of the European medieval age. One of those “burghs” was Hamburg, which is credited with the invention of the hamburger. So now we’ve wrapped all the way back around to Americans being called “burgers” instead of “burghers.”
Been testing all three weapon options for Heavy in Siege, and Heavy Bolter just feels like the best option. Multi-Melta almost forces you to swap out 7 kills = 1 armor for its 5 kills = 1 ammo back perk, it's such a hungry little bastard. It also struggles hard against Chaos and flying enemies. The Heavy Bolter is just universally good against everything and has the best ammo sustain when getting Extremis executes.
>>529223758No, HB in Siege is trash
Multimelta for mob clearing + stomping or Heavy Plasma for blue balls of death
>>529223935>Mob clearing>When there should be a tac with infinite grenades dropping shock nades at every fucking spawnHeavy Plasma or get the fuck out of my lobby.
>>529224242Don't care, still stomping
>>529223758Melta is useful if you want to kill chaff (bolter does it better because it also pierces and has infinitely more range) or stunlock majoris to death (charged plasma shots do this better and faster)
>>529223935I've gotten much further on Hard using the Heavy Bolter and consistently over the other two.
>Multi-Melta, again, forces you off the superior armor regen for kills perk if you want to sustain ammo, this is on top of the executes = ammo and Extremis kills perks>Gets cucked by Chaos and Zoans>Plasma Incinerator struggles to get charged shots off in the later stages, and is equally as ammo hungry but with even less ammo recovery options>Heavy Bolter is good against everything, shreds everything, has better ammo sustain, fucks Zoans, fucks Neuros, fucks Disc Tzaangors, gets massive ammo recovery back on Extremis kills
>>529223758heavy bolter is unironically his best weapon over all, but it takes the most skill. just having to pop in and out of aiming will cause people to mess up and die
Heavy bolter sucks against Chaos enemies
>>529224661Grab the accuracy variant, brace, and zoom in before clicking heads.
>>529224661you have to use the accuracy variant and shoot the head.
>kick instantly
Assault
Vanguard with no Extremis heal
Tactical with Melta Rifle
non-maxed, non-prestige 4 characters
Bulwark with Thunderhammer
Bulwark without heal banner
guy who keeps taking stims and dying
guy who takes stims, dies and won't do anything to remove his wound or full health
>kick
Assault
Tactical without Tactical Supplies
Tactical who is not carrying a Plasma Incinerator or Stalker Bolter
Sniper with Bolt Carbine or Bolt Sniper Rifle
Heavy without Bonds of Brotherhood
guy who dies in waves 1-5
guy who ignores side missions near his area
anyone using the Inferno pistol
Heavy using Heavy Bolt Rifle
guys with 700-1600 requisition and still won't use them even if the team is getting mauled
>maybe let them play
Vanguard with Melta Rifle
Tactical with Advanced Conditioning
Heavy with Heavy Bolter
non-Bulwarks still using Fencing weapons
Blood Ravens lootgoblins
Sniper with Las Fusil ammo version
Execute spammer
guy with 200+ ping, seriously bro stick to your own region but w/e
>>529223758This has been obvious to anyone with a brain forever. Melta and Plasma are terrible versions of the same thing.
>Got all my classes to prestige 2 then stopped
>Now trying to do Siege
>Cant do normals to level, because it gives no XP
>Cant do hard, because you should be 25
>Cant do operations, because its mostly dead to find games
NICE
>>529224661Brainlet pub take right here
HB is the best weapon on heavy hands down. Clears chaff and kills extremis/terminus incredibly fast.
>>529225893How do we make assault good?
>>529226296>>529225028>>529225018>get surrounded in later waves>-ACK
>>529226367Invincible while taking off and in flight
Gunstike kills on enemies give back HP
>>529226553Let me guess, you think standing where they big blue start round beacon is is the smart thing to do. I bet you also think you should just stay in one area and never run away.
>>529226367Give him even a quarter of the ability to regen HP or armor that Vanguard/Bulwark have just by existing, or make it to where his jetpack isn't taking 3-5 business days right before the weekend and a national holiday on Monday with 3 PTO days used to recharge.
>>529226367Fucking anything. Everything about this class is so bad and counter intuitive
>Use sacred wings and refund on dodge >Dodge into enemy attack >Wings causes enough damage to put enemy into execution range so it cancels their attack and doesn't refund your cooldown
>>529225893>Tactical who is not carrying a Plasma Incinerator or Stalker BolterI use the auto bolt carbine with the tac and it absolutely fucks.
>>529212340>payload raceBASED
TAKE ME BACK TO PLR_NIGHTFALL
I've tried with pubs on hard but the furthest I've made it was wave 15 and we couldn't beat it. I want that helmet, I don't care how stupid it looks it's the only thing I don't have unlocked. Anyone playing? I can be tactical, vanguard, or heavy.
>>529225893Heavy with 25% ranged damage reduction is better. That becomes far more clutch in later waves. BoB will do little beyond drag shitters a little further. You shouldn't be dying in the first place.
>>529225893>Heavy using Heavy Bolt Rifle>Heavy with Heavy BolterWas one of these meant to be the multi-melta?
>>529226553>>get surrounded in later waves>STOMP STOMP STOMPThat's all minoris dead
Instant Kick
Any class that isn't Tact, Heavy or Bulwark
>>529232864>not including vanguard
>>529233094Worthless, doesn't have enough damage and doesn't bring enough AoE. Healing is irrelevant because of Heavy and Bulwark combo.
>>529233460His AOE nuke on grapple execute is some of the best burst damage in the game
>>529233460>doesn't have enough damageDude they can literally regenerate melta bombs every seven kills. You're putting down a minefield when it's coupled with a tactical's regenerating one every 60 seconds. You're also severely underestimating the bolter carbine.
>>529232809And while you do that, three terminators have slid their swords up your ass.
>>529233460>constant free health for the countless extremis if you run the carbine you can get like 40-50k ranged damage each game too, this is a weird criticism
>>529233573Nope
>>529233614Every class can
>>529234428Not worth it over losing a Heavy or Bulwark, and you're never replacing a Tact.
There is no class more insecure than Vanguards and its hilarious, its never been a good class period and if it wasn't for Assault existing it would be THE worst class by far.
>>529234647>reddit spacing
>>529234727>Doesn't even know what reddit spacing is Lol
>>529234290Naw, if i'm surrounded by beast shits termies are ironically not a problem
if its only two or three of the things then they start becoming an issue
Really sword terminators are annoying at times but they're never problems like assault cannon terminators or any tyranid extremis can be
Assault should be able to put another melee weapon or pistol in their primary slot. Allowing them to dual wield.
>>529234647that's why you run a vanguard, tact, and some other class that doens't matter...like a heavy or sniper. heavy's bonds of brotherhood perk doesn't mean shit in the face of unmatched zeal despite his superior damage.
>>529230848if you dont take bob or extra ammo on most pubs you'll get kicked even if you explain why ranged reduction damage is good
>>529234698You overplayed your hand.
>>529235151He's clearly baiting. Just ignore him.
I boughted the game on sale. I will be playing the campaign first to get my bearings.
>>529235226Good luck and have fun.
Anyone else having connectivity issues? I keep getting dropped, restarted the game and it isn't helping.
>>529235210its fun talking to shitters that dont play the game :D
>>529225893>non-maxed, non-prestige 4 charactersLmao, good luck playing with randos.
>>529235226>I boughtedIs this old internet slang resurfacing or something? Am I going to see "I accidentally x" again too?
>>529235210>>529235151Its not bait, its an objective fact. What does Vanguard bring? Firstly all their weapons suck in comparison to Tact, Heavy and Bulwark (Whose really just an AoE parry machine). So right off the start you're not bringing a good kit into the fight. So it only comes down to the perks you bring.
You have the ability to regen equipment, so does all three other classes so its moot. You have great parry windows, but terrible damage with less damage buffs to ranged and melee than other classes. You restore 30% HP on Extremis or Terminus kills, but no one needs HP because 1. Don't get hit and 2. If someone gets hit they're going down at waves 15-25, an issue instantly fixed by Bulwark or Heavy and medkits which are cheap and plentiful. The only useful DPS you could bring in theory is jumping into the middle of packs where you have Shock Wave and ZoI, which will get you killed instantly at later waves.
You want a Tact for their scans and 60s equipment, you want Bulwark because they're a walking wall which can AoE clear on parry (much easier to set up than Vanguards finishing move) and Heavy for the max HP if someone goes down, shield to block ranged, +50% regen on everyones ult and the best ranged weapon in the game.
So yeah tldr Vanguard is trash, its more acceptable than Assault but only barely.
>>529226367Universal faster attack and recovery animations. Try that simple modifier first and see how it plays out. Give 75% to 80% durations a go.
>>529235849>Don't get hitJust don't lose with assault, sniper, and vanguard then
Truly, get the fuck out of siege mode if you are still leveling. It's not even good XP.
>>529235962>Ignoring the rest of the post They don't bring enough damage
>>529236064Operations has literally no one playing it anymore, so too bad, thats what you get for this update taking too long
>>529235849>medkits which are cheap and plentifulif you're playing on hard (which u aren't) buying anything in general is a waste of req. hell, excessive spending across both difficulties is a waste of time and money. why would I scavenge for health or buy it outright when I get free heals? you don't play the game. vanguard and tact are musts. bulwark is a good third choice; but not an absolute pick. play the game bro. talk to me when u play it :D
>>529236253Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but I am not surprised given you think Vanguard is good.
>>529236456you don't play the game lil cuz, but come back to me when you do :3
>>529236253>why would I scavenge for health or buy it outright when I get free heals?You mean like what Bulwark and Heavy do? While also bringing more damage? Dunno bro its a mystery
>>529236528Good ol' ad hominem to save face when presented with facts, its ok I accept your concession.
>>529236534see the reply to the other retard im talking to :3
>>529236613owned, retard lol. "ad hominem" you have brittle bones and if I punched you in the face all your bones would shatter :D notice how you were shit talking in this post
>>529236456
>>529236715I think you project a lot and get upset when [insert fav thing here] is called out as being bad because you can't separate your ego from reality. Vanguard isn't good, you provided 0 evidence to suggest otherwise. I accept your concession.
Oh boy, its an "anons fighting over classes" episode.
Conversion Field sucks, Iron Halo killing shitters is better and is the best when combined with the AoE nuke once it expends its energy.
>>529237669Does it actually kill anything besides spore mines and stranglethorn seeds?
>>529237669The freedom to walk through spores and seeds is pretty goated
>2x level 1s in a hard match
Step 1. Remove all rewards from challenges
Step 2. Make all rewards purchasable with currency
Game fixed, now I don't need to see these idiots trying to get an ugly helm in a mode they can't play.
>>529238698>level 1s are still queueing>they are now writing angry messages in chat that you are dragging the team down by not spending money>consoleniggers @ you and shoot you
Hey guys, how do I maximise ruining a seige run? This is what I have so far:
Waste points of stims
Try to stagger your "team mates" with frag grenades
Don't try to kill things unless there is a secondary objective active
Waste ammo pickups by firing one shot and then picking them up
Leave at wave 5 (optional)
>>529239789le epic 2006 troll face
best part is you probably have a kid you should be taking care of instead or something lol
>>529240661Thank you, I am quite proud of it
>>529238698>Step 1. Remove all rewards from challengesJust make normal give more XP than hard. 15 rounds of normal should give like 6 or 7 ruthless or even lethal missions worth of XP. People farm their shit to max level on normal to be prepared for the optional rewards of hard.
>hit wave 15 on hard against chaos
Dudes this is fucking impossible. The helbrutes can be manageable but holy shit there's like six terminators and half of those have soul reapers that instantly melt your health and armor.
>>529237543Refreshing after a cavalcade of disputes revolving around Fencing/Blocking.
>>529243447It's not like it's better with nids and zoanthrope if you're not the host. Fuck that beam.
>high chance your lobby is just a guy AFK at his armory
>most games have somebody without a team perk or the wrong one
>waves keep getting bricked because the last enemy gets stuck in the ground somewhere
>most people summon Valtus ASAP instead of timing it with the bosses
>brand new players leveling green weapons in Hard mode
>most people ignore side objectives
What a fucking chore of a game mode, one more red weapon to get then I'm never touching this half-baked horseshit again.
>>529243859for me its ravener grabs and lictor overheads, shit always comes from a fucking angle i can't focus on
and biovores of course but those are just awful for everyone, i don't know who thought adding a keepaway extremis for nids who doesn't even reward you with synapse damage was a good idea
The one part of the new update that is a simple improvement and makes the game strictly better
Maybe aside from the unlock time requirement but I got pretty lucky
>>529244340That mouth looks really dirty.
>>529244340That mouth looks like he just ate nurgle's ass out.
>>529236873yeah I accept you don't play the game and you're bad LOL
>>529244340>there's another 4th company ultramarine player running aroundNeat.
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>>529244340This has definitely been the best patch for dress-up.
>>529245128Some players won't need it but my marines are 90% ultramarines, angels of absolution, and deathwatch members
All of which really should have red guns
Plus the white ones for the RG and IH players to look a little bit more lively with
>>529245007I made an ultramarine per class and made each one from a different company
>>529244340>>529245128True, but I stand by what I said long ago before they released the ordeals. Hell, there's bunch of stuff you can just take from campaign, no effort needed. It's right there Saber. We should've gotten some of those Deathwatch goodies as rewards either for in game challenges or reaching max prestige.
Deathwatch, Dark Angels, Black Templars. Who else is in the red gun mafia?
Nigra
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>Start siege with chaos
>Press esc and return to menu
>>529245612Plenty of DA successors and a good number of scattered successors from other chapters
The big one is Ultramarines, if you're not boring and wrong
>>529235849>they obvious bait
>>529234647>gets proven wrong by valid argument>just says no
>>529234647how do i regenerate equipment as bulwark
dare i say absolute operations are even more cancerous than siege mode right now
Normal siege enemy health and intensity feels like the optimal for this game.
>>529247343nta but vanguards aoe is shit in comparison to bulwarks
>>529248328We can only hope SM3 gets rid of all these RPG mechanics so we can just play the game
>>529250394>SM2 was just one big playtest and intentionally bad doods
It happened yet again, last enemy stuck in the ground. There's going to need to be a patch for this soon, not in a month. What was the PTS for.
>>529250876paypiggy oink oink oink
>>529250781Knowing sabre yeah
Fucking lmao. Now they're even breaking old missions.
>want to play siege
>don't have the levels/prestige/equipment needed
>don't want to grind operations
>>529251782Just do normal, no one cares
>>529250876>What was the PTS forTo extend the time between patches even further, Brother. Because dear devs can't meet their own deadlines and are probably running a skeleton crew at best. Why else would they open it? If you need more proof than that, look up updated roadmap in season 4
>>529002806 where it says postponed. That's levels of arrogance you see from the biggest corporations in gaming industry, only neither Saber nor Focus have the resume to back that up.
Seriously, if only PTS helped fix the bugs, but each update brings more of them. You could forgive that to some degree if we had ton of new content at the same time, but a couple of cosmetics and a buggy mode (on top of numerous issues that started way back in 5.0). Give me a break...
There are no words in language of civilized people to express incompetence and sheer hubris of this dev team and the people involved in communication with the community.
Why do Venom Cannon Warriors sometimes not fire when you dodge? This guy got a bead on me, I rolled like 3 times only for him to nail me anyway.
>>529253565They use a LLM built into AI director. It analyzes behavioral patterns of each player and the result is what you described. Each time it gets more refined.
Anybody in EU up for some Hard Siege?
>>528944239 (OP)Is this game worth getting, its on sale for 35 euros, but Im not sure, from what Ive seen from watching gameplay is that tho it looks awesome but my problem with it is the combat, Im kind of not into the whole finish em off type of combat where you go into an animation and perform an attack to finish off the enemy it kind of disrupts the flow, while I prefer more fluid combat like in Darktide, also it seems heavily reliant on parrying at the right time like in a souls game which I dont like either, that and also other reasons I didnt get the game at launch was because it seemed very limited in content, very few co-op missions which people complained about and the campaign being only 10 hours or something, I see that theyve added Siege mode now but thats just one mode, is that it? Or have I missed something, have they added more or is it still the same? I dont mind grindy games but thats if they have a lot of variation.
>>529244340How do you even unlock these? They seem to unlock at random, I thought you only need to beat the first three areas and then these would unlock for all guns.
>>529254784I got 100 hours from SM1's exterminatus mode and that only had two maps, this game has that (siege) + 8 operations, you are just entitled
I last played when they launched Absolute, I'm seeing that everyone is running slightly different builds this time.
Is this the new meta or just for Siege mode? Are Operations builds still the same?
The thread's getting dragged into the Warp. Quick Brothers! Onto the new Battle-barge:
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>>529254963a 100 hours is just peanuts, question is would I want to continue after a 100 hours
>>529255421>100 hours is just peanutsok neet loser
>>529255421>100 hours is next to nothinglol
lmao
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