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Previous Mandate of Heaven >>528928030

three kingdoms is fantasy

Thanquol soon, friends!

>>529082036 (OP)
Based Chang saving history

GOBLINS

Melee >>>>> Everything

Medieval 3 when? Shogun 3 when? 3K2 when?

>>529083692
>3K2 when?
Literally probably the next historical game. The Chinese 'leaks' are claiming in December Feral Interactive will announcement a combo pack of Medieval 1 and 2 remasters packed together and sold as one and CA will do a teaser for 3 Kingdoms 2 which will release in Summer of 2027.

>>529083653
>routs through you
nothin personell

>>529084216
>Walks away from my unit
>My unit stands there instead of following them
.Guard mode is and was always turned off

>>529083928
Next historical game is the 30 years war

Damn saurus look like THIS???

They don't look enthused about their new crewmate

>>529085469
>FemLizardmen is overrun with souless 3d goyslop

>>529085469
kill yourself ratnigger

Someone tell me how to win as beastmen. I'm still pretty new to the game in general, but I played 100 turns as Kemmler and kicked ass, turn 57 as Malagor and I was mostly waiting around for troops to replenish or recruit and getting my ass kicked.

>>529086179
Stick to doomstacking and razing settlements one at a time with your 4 stacks. Since all units are free, merge and delete units instead of relying on replenishment. Don't be afraid to end bloodgrounds early if enemies are getting tough or about to attack the herdstone. Just move on to the next settlements.

TCA needs to drop Chaos's Auto-resolve bias
They don't have artillery, they're going to lose.

>>529085469
Why am I attracted to this?
What went wrong in my life?

>>529087049
Nigga you got it easy
Theres people out there that get off to diapers

>>529087049
>Why am I attracted to this?
Because you're healthy male and a healthy male is an omnivore.

I get off to rearcharging heavy infantry and causing them to go from about 70% morale to 0% morale.

>>529087049
You probably watched some scaley propaganda disguised as a regular cartoon.
I mean there are people with hypnofetishists who, instead of wanting to be hypnotized to a hot girl, want to be hypnotized by a fucking cartoon snake.

>>529087325
>>529087482
>>529087576
Well I also have another fetish. It's not creepy, illegal, or morally dubious, nor is it disgusting. It's just weird.
I have looked up what caused it and I can't find it. It's harmless but...why would my brain do this to me?

>>529086697
Was getting stuck in with the dwarfs a mistake? I ended up going North out of opportunism but all of their armies seem to just blow mine out of the water.

>>529085469
Imagine the vore

>>529089662
I'm imagining giving her eggs.

This looks intriguing

>>529088303
the nice thing about the beastmen is you can always just pack up and move somewhere else, just travel around in hudden encampment when near enemies so they have a lower chance to attack you

>>529088303
Unless you are willing to fight every battle, you should only face dawi outnumbering them 2 to 1. So as beastmen if you don't EXPLICITLY NEED TO FIGHT DAWI you should just leave.

>>529087813
>It's not creepy, illegal, or morally dubious, nor is it disgusting.

State what it is then

>>529089863
how did you get that? I have been grinding items on a couple of different campaigns to test them and haven't found that one yet

Units that are really reliable in the early game:
Hastati
Hoplites
High Elf Spearmen
Dwarf Warriors
Jade Warriors

>>529090779
Chaos Warriors of Khorne

>>529090929
"Reliable" doesn't do them justice.

>>529090929
Chaos Warriors in general are probably the most pound for pound cost effective infantry in the game.

>>529090929
Bloodletters are better unless you're playing Arbaal

TWW3 legendary Lords who should have been legendary Heroes and Legendary Heroes who should have been legendary Lords and explain best you can why.
>>529082243
It was real Romance of the free kingdoms is fantasy.
The Rise of Cao Cao (190 - 199)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRSkbJHnv-0&t=30s

>>529090696
got attacked after end turn, I'm Mannfred, attacker was skrag ogre faction, I killed them
Location : close to black crag

>>529083928
>teaser for 3 Kingdoms 2 which will release in Summer of 2027.
Ateaser for a video game that's not going to be released next year but the year after? That sounds like a game after it has been delayed for a while.

>>529082243
Cope

Rome 2 or Attila?

Killing skaven is every total war player's responsibility.

>>529093724
You're supposed to ally with the rats though.

>>529089863
>implying khorne worshipers can read

>>529093375
Attila

>>529093724
I would agree but I legitimately hate fighting them in manual battles as an Empire player.

>>529093773
Nah. They spread competing corruption and have a higher aversion than ogres and greenskins who don't spread anything. They also lack all the same units you do, namely archers and cav, so there's little value in ally recruiting them.

>>529094241
That'll change when they add empire ogres. Fighting rats or dorfs without a pile of monstrous infantry is torture.

>>529093375
attila. nothing has come close to winning as the WRE on legendary.

>>529094417
I hate how they got all the goddamn attention in TW2. They still have the most DLC per faction and it's been like five fucking years. The Empire needs more love. I need more guns. I need more everything.

>>529094417
Best greenskin faction for trolls? I want to live this.

>>529093875
It's a picture book.
All the pictures are skulls.

>>529094241
Spam cavalry and war wagons, take no artillery or ranged infantry and you're golden.
I don't know why every empire player is married to the idea of using only gunlines and arty, you're not playing Napoopan, your roster has everything.

>>529094920
I understand but I like pike and shot. That's fine and fun to fight against everything but skaven because they can straight up out perform the empire in both pike and shot and it's fucking infuriating.

reminder that gustavus adolphus used heavy cavalry with his pikemanii and musketmanii and you should too

>>529095442
I do, but I only use like 2 or 3 cavalry per full stack. Line infantry, guns, artillery, and cavalry on the flanks or rear to exploit holes, and then a couple heroes for buffs and magic and stuff.

reminder that adolphus hitlerius used understood the true danger of the goblin menace and you should too

>>529095442
He would've used SEMs if he had access to them

>>529095442
Reminder that if Genghis Khan lived into the Early Modern era he would use pistoliers and knights of the blazing sun.

>>529095442
what would he have thought about corpse cart (unholy lodestone)?

>>529096172
Genghis Khan would have used every single unit type available, and would have easily figured out the cheesiest combos, he was a true master of adaptation
the "dude horse archers lmao" is surface level shit, Genghis Khan's true genius move was his military and political reforms and his ability to learn from his enemies, by the end of his reign his "barbarian horde" had a well established chain of command, engineering corps, medical corps, dedicated messengers, diplomats and dedicated scribes and dedicated logisticians

what mods would genghis khan use

>>529092396
I mean CA flat out says the event in December is for Total War games. SEGA's financials also say that CA's next game is Alien Isolation 2 which is scheduled for a Q3 2026 release. Which means there is no CA total war games coming out in 2026 by default.

Every one of these games gives you complete control over your economy and national spending, with most of the options being more military investment.
Is this some kind of... total war?

>>529083928
How reliable are chinese leaks?

>>529094285
Do skaven allies still gice you the plagues and undercities constantly? That alone is reason enough to never ally them.

A 50% sale is here which means I can finally pick up the Chaos Dwarves, but what else would /twg/ recommend? I will also get G&tG since playing Counts without RoRs and carts is no fun but not sure otherwise. I tried starting a Kairos campaign a while back but it's genuinely unplayable without mortal units, but I have zero interest in the CoC lords and I'm not actually clear what Warriors of Chaos will even give me at this point

>>529099752
Buy everything
CA needs the money to fund Medieval 3

>>529098347
>SEGAs financials says
They did?

Is this a good deal for Three Kingdoms plus DLC?
Prices in US dollars.

>>529099752
You buy the DLCs for factions you want to play, thats it
You're a Lizardfag

>>529099916
>patronize CA
>they use your money to make another 40k sloppa
No
>>529100006
I haven't played lizards since WH2

>>529098919
Unreliable as fuck, 3 Gorges is standing strong with 0 issues

>>529099916
To fund Medieval 3?

>>529099961
Id say so, remove a world betrayed if you can, its not even set in the 3K time period

Is thi general still dead

They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof,
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof,
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof,
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof,
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof-hof-hof-hof-hof
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof-hof-hof-hof-hof
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
Nagash was weak
The halflings the halflings the halflings the halflings to Drakenhof to Drakenhof
The halflings the halflings the halflings the halflings to Drakenhof to Drakenhof
The halflings the halflings the halflings the halflings to Drakenhof to Drakenhof
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof-hof-ho-ho-hof
Tell me where is Elspeth, for much desire to speak with her
Tell me where is Elspeth, for much desire to speak with her
A varghulf of Nagash
Nagash was weak
A varghulf of Nagash
Nagash was weak
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
Nagash was weak
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
Nagash was weak
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
They're taking the halflings to Drakenhof!
Nagash was weak

>karl is prince of altdorf
i thought the guy was emperor
is he prince and emperor or something? how does that work

>>529102492
People can have multiple titles
To use the real life example, the Hapsburgs were often both Holy Roman Emperor AND Archdukes of Austria and Kings of Bohemia.

How do mod DLC requirements on steam workshop work?
There's an Aranessa roster mod that adds more ogres and shit. Says it requires Ogre Kingdoms.
I don't have it, but Golgfag seems like he might be fun so might buy him.
Since DLC lords give you access to all the base units does it count for the mod since it unlocks those units?

>>529098615
That's why I'm trying to figure out the ideal auto build budget %, so that I can just be a military commander while the comouter manages the settlements.

>>529102492
The Emperor position is not tied to a specific region in the Empire by design, nor is it tied to a bloodline, it is purely an elected position.
Karl inherited his princedom from his dad, he was elected Emperor by all the other electors except Boris.

>>529098615
Yes

>>529105009
Doesnt Nordland just hand their vote to Middenland every single time?

:O

>>529106738
Redditus...

Chorfs have obtained dreadquakes and destroyed every city in Naggaroth
All Malekith had to do was support Ikit's strike at Zarr Naggrund but he waited and now his continent is gone in the green fire of dreadquakes

40k waiting room

Elder Scrolls Total War done as a historical game with family trees waiting room.

why does this game still have denuvo? you can pirate like $300 worth of dlc but they have to bundle the main game with malware so people have to buy it legit for $20? how is this even worth the denuvo subscription?

>>529084372
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the game does this shit now. Its especially annoying when playing as races that relies on capturing prisoners like chaos. The entire army just routs off as my guys stand around and forget their orders 10 seconds later

LL for this feel?

>>529098347
>Which means there is no CA total war games coming out in 2026 by default.
CA has 500 employees they can work on 3 games at the same time nigga

How do you comp armies when playing as greenskins in terms of heroes? Is the normal goblin big boss mostly useless now that the new night goblin hero exists? Kinda annoyed the new hero wasn't just a generic orc or savage orc big boss

>>529091659
disgusting glass cannon behavior

We should make a discord

>>529113201
I don't think any of their heroes are great combat characters so just take a caster if you need one or whatever campaign skills you want.

Why do skavenslave slingers have 120 range? Is that not kind of high?

>>529114420
The Horned Rat rewards his followers

>>529114875
I'm aware of slings actually being able to be flung very far but I figure being emaciated slaves would make you a little weaker.

is battle time:
a) feeding time
b) breeding time
c) sneeding time

>>529104174
>Since DLC lords give you access to all the base units
no they dont

>>529113104
500 employees is about two dev teams total. For comparison Bioware which just got rid of a bunch of their employees is working on one game total(new mass effect) and have 470 employees left.

>>529113104
>>529116175
i asked ai and it said with 520 employees and working on a total war game and an alien game at the same time would be a very serious struggle. they would need close to 800 employees minimum to work on three games at a time it said.

Yeah that's how it works, just pour more men. Ask Ubisoft.
Mazed by kikes

>>529116175
>>529116373
>like 30 bulgarians working on warhammer 3 dlc
>half of 500 working on alien isolation
>the other half working on whatever the next total war game is
seems completely doable to me and they have been working on those ever since wh3 was finished so plenty of time to move people between the projects as needed

>>529116838
i thought the implication was that ca was working on the alien game and new total war games at once plus the dlc for warhammer. ai said it was basically impossible for them to work on the alien game and two new total war games at once. i agree it is possible they are working on dlc for warhammer, alien, and a new total war game though.

>>529117286
Don't rely on Ai, it's pretty stupid

How do we fix Markus Wulfhart and Alith Anars kit
>inb4 Alith Anar is fine
No, he isn't, his campaign and his mechanics are powerful but he himself only becomes good when he has all his uniques and his clone can do damage, he needs something that makes him feel more special than making a clone of himself and having stalk, Oxyotl does his job 10x better

>>529115759
I'm sure owning only Sisters of Twilight unlock all the base Welves units; owning only Yuand Bo unlock all the base Cathay units; and owning only Golgfag should probbably too unlock all base Ogres units.

Is it normal to take 20+ turns to take out the Sisters of Twilights first enemy out? Ive managed to confederate every1 surrounding Athel Loren but I was too late to Laurelorn Forest and Franz managed to grab it himself while Elspeth got Drychas tree, did all of that in the span of 30 turns and now I feel like I can do better but I do not want to fight siege battles, that shits gay as hell

Damn.

>>529119973
keep your giant alive he's your best character killer

>>529120196
He's decent at that, but my exalted hero is better at killing characters due to his mobility and not being as vulnerable.

>>529119973
That Giant is ready to die.

>>529120298
He had 135 health at the end of that battle.
It was a pain to use him with how much ranged Kislev has.

>>529117426
markus is fine he has a net and a huge bonus vs large. alith anar is shit though. they need to make his moonbow better or something.

Weirds facts that you usually forget ? Warscape engine games have fall damage. I mean it makes sense since entities die when they hit the ground after blowing up walls. But some maps in cathay can easly kill your fast units, like chariots since they accelerate on slops and go flying to their deaths, making you wonder why you have less units.

>Survivor of the Flame Fire
~ Ogre Violator

>my shooting unit has stalk
>doesn't shoot and is marked as "hidden"
>FOR SOME REASONS TWO CAVALERY DECIDES TO MOVE IN THEIR ISOLATED DIRECTION

>decide to finally try 3k
>1.5 hours figuring out who ching chong is and who ding dong isnt, decide to play as some random ding ling
>economy is kind of slow and so is the whole replenishment/musting, but otherwise thing are going well
>capture my 4th settlement
>next turn scripted event spaws a fullstack of superior units right next to my capital
>have to give up on my captital because unless fully replenish my army I just cant beat its units even with garrison making the numbers even
>economy go down the shitter and two neighbour declare war on me, so I cant even sit down and replenish anyways
>campaing status: derailled in 13 turns

wtf is this gay shit? I thought this game was supposed to be good.

>>529121307
It took a long time but I'm glad Ogres are fun now, I love them but for the longest time I went back to playing the Med 2 Warhammer mod instead of playing them in Wh3, they were so shit.

>>529117559
im pretty sure you cant play yuan bo without owning wh3 so that makes sense
the other 2 should not unlock shit though since thye are dlc for a dlc faction not a base game faction (ogres were pre order dlc but dlc anyway)

>>529121872
uh oh someone didn't take care of his Fang Shuei. Your cat was in a diagonal position

>try the Victory Overhaul mod for some extra spice
>I and II are just domination type world conquest shit
>III is basically just the vanilla long campaign victory worded differently

>>529121872
Who were you playing?

>>529122163
Creative ASSembly, give me back my 4 hours

>>529122230
blue guy Kong Dong or whatever was his name

>>529121876
yeah golgfag is quite good

>>529122432
Sounds like you fell for the classic blunder of picking a jobber.

>>529122613
It looked like a comfy rag to riches corner start

>>529122689
Don't know if you're willing to give it another go but I would shill you Sun Jian in that case or Yan Baihu.

sssh
twg is asleep

OOOOOHHHHH
OGRES OGRES

>>529124565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AC5M7F4ys

I hope TW40K voice work matchs DoW

In just 4 days, CA will finally confirm that last race of the dlc is Dark Elves.

>>529125385
I mean they fit the DLC way more than High Elves. I could see it. Wouldn't be surprised if it was something no one is thinking of like Warriors of Chaos or Skaven though. Vampire Counts would have been my guess if it wouldn't have been ruled out because Red Duke has to be FLC.

>>529125385
Who would be lord? The only real options left are Tullaris(If they want End Times narrative) or Kharbana if they want more females. Pic related is Kharbana. Not really any other options left.

>>529125770
what about the pirate lord guy that rules over western ind? the guy in charge of all the dark elf ports in ind

Where is he?

>>529125385
3rd faction reveal in late July. Trailer drop in late September. DLC release in late November.

>>529125930
Duriath Helbane has no model or rules. We only know as of 8th edition he controls every port on the western side of Ind.

>>529125770
Kouran ? Shadowblade ? Mengil ?
Also if we count minor character like Khabana, there is more.

>>529121872
you were supposed to play the main character cao cao he has the mandate of heaven

>>529125982

>>529121872
Anon, game punishing you for having zero strategy and planning IS good game design.

I just won a massive 80 units HE vs DE battle and i think the only reason i won was AI didnt use the spread shot of Reaper Bolt throwers...

I think AI is still kinda shitting itself in 80 units battles. Especially the ranged units both AI's and mine.

>>529130085
I think the ai has major trouble realizing that its melee and ranged lines can get tangled enroute to whatever target its decided needs to die

>>529126654
You mean Dong.
Cow Cow aint shit

>>529130267
if dong kept his dong in his pants maybe he would have the mandate of heaven and be alive

>>529094285
cant trade with greenskins and many greenskins units are a waste without a wagh button
you can already get ogre units with camps without allying them
rats give could give you armor sundering infantry to make your t1 pirates you love so much even better and their weapon teams have excellent synergy with undead infantry chaff factions and stormvermin are unironically now a pretty good middle range armored/AP infantry for a faction whose elite units are extremely fragile in the wrong situation

>>529130267

It's another 10 minute easy lose at most 50 guys BANGER because the autoresolve wanted to wipe 4 whole units for nothing.

>Medieval 3 is never ever
What are the chances that every game 1 lord will get more audio like Thorgrim did, iddle lines diplomacy etc

>>529131473
Medieval 3 is getting announced December 2025
screencap this

THE PIRATE KING

Where is Neferata?

Is the Changeling still a boring steamroll campaign or did they fix him? I'm feeling Tzeentchy but I've played too many Kairos and Vilitch campaigns recently.

>>529087049
Because she has impressive tits and feminine eyelashes.
It's like this is your first fucking day of figuring out why anything given tits and eyelashes just triggers your breeding instincts dude, come on. This is internet goonbait 101.

>>529133034
This. When Blizzard added the Dracthyr race in the previous expansion of WoW, they weren't very well received partly because the females lacked dragon boobs.

>>529112673
Noctilus.
Malakai if he actually does need the gun to fend off invaders.

>>529133150
Boobs or not, they look like shit. The lizard women in divinity os2 don't have tits and they look great.

>>529134053
that's because they all look oddly feminine even the men
like elves
lizard elves

>>529133025
it's the same, when they updated Kairos they said that they aren't going to change the changeling for the people who liked him already (lmao)

>>529132940
Stuck in a shitty setting AoS

>>529132887
wat

>>529132887
When did Luthor start looking so breedable?

luthor

Boom

>>529135748
I'm playing him right now and I hate how the new hobgobbo shit launcher counts towards warmachine count in hellforge. Fucking get it together TCLAP.

>>529135908
Wait really? I thought the whole point of adding it was to give some shitty but accessible early game artillery?
Why would you ever use it at that point?

>>529131082
literally me except they would have taken my province capital with a random chaos shit stack

>>529136335
classic

>>529136232
I don't know what he's talking about, it doesn't count for any caps. It may get bonuses from the upgrades though, and cost armaments as a result.

>>529136232
It was. They put it in wrong table or some shit and here we are.
They were semi useful early game but now that I have full tower and confeded all lords I have like 30 of them in the shitstacks I got and suddenly putting one upgrade costs hundreds of armaments upkeep.

>>529134208
Warcraft's art direction at some point just violently flipped from a DnD 3.5/4 book art/heavy metal album cover/90s antihero comics fusion to a fusion of extremely effeminate YA fantasy book/Pixar/Tumblr queer furry art

silver lining is just looking at the franchise now has killed any hope I held for a Warcraft 4, which is for the best given how terrible it would be if modern Blizzard made it

>>529090929
>take a t3/t4 unit
>make it t0
>call it good
"behold a man" type behavior

>>529136476
>>529136480
oh I misunderstood, that's still annoying though

>>529132940
Under your bed. She is hungry

In my opinion, release Akshina Ambushers were the most broken OP DLC power creep in TWW history, especially on Ostankya. Maybe there was something more broken in beta tests, but in my experience, Akshina were the most broken DLC units I've ever used before nerfs. Once you hit T2, the campaign was pretty much over as you could start doomstacking them and they would ridiculously outperform in both manual battles and AR.

>>529138262
she doesn't have to hide from me, I willingly offer her my blood

>>529138291
Yes giving Kislev Shades and making Streltsi completly useless was retarded.

what is that
what the fuck is that

>>529138291
I get what you're saying, in that Akshinas were available early and obsoleted a lot of the previous good options of Kislev.
But the most broken unit in any DLC has got to be the Thunderbarge on release.

KHAZUUUK

>>529139112
KHAZUKAN KAZAKIT-HA

>>529139094
Going to be honest, I forgot about the THUNDERBOOG because I do not like Dwarfs. Looking purely at the unit alone, they were probably the most broken yeah, but I am still slightly leaning towards the Akshina from a campaign perspective as they were available so early.

My favourite units? Fire Cannons, Irondrakes, and Gyrocopters (Brimstone Guns).

>>529139094
What was it like on release, invincible?

>>529139894
My favourite unit? Golgfag's Maneaters.

>>529140316
Yes. Big flying ship that shat on everything, and since it was flying, there wasn't much that could deal with it. Maybe something could hardcounter it, but having one or two in an army would already win just about everything, and a doomstack was ridiculous overkill.

>>529140316
Unironically, almost. In addition to what >>529140697 already said, its hitbox was also bugged and most ranged units that tried to shoot it missed a lot. Its afterburner ability that has since been nerfed also allowed it to flee any melee fliers.

>Askhina
>Thunderbarge
>Skulltaker's campaign
So what's the blatantly broken, ridiculously OP thing in Tides of Torment? Sayl's deceits maybe?

>>529140316
>>529140697
Fuck no just a DE master on a pegasus was enough to take it down. I did it on mp on release.

>>529140879
Verminlords

>>529140915
>mp
Stopped reading there.

>>529082036 (OP)
>gets doubles the sales warhammer got
>also gets abandoned
how did they mess it up so badly?
they should have just taken the Shogun 2/Rome 2 approach of remixing the original map with new time periods, a DLC about the first unification of China under the Qin or a DLC about the Mongol/Yuan Invasion would have been much better than 'incredibly buggy extra start date with the same characters but 8 years later' low effort shit we got

>>529141449
>Game is called Three Kingdoms
>"What if DLC took place in a different period"
That is exactly what they did at first and exactly why the DLC failed

>>529091659
>Armor-piercing is a waste before end-game as most low-tier enemies have low armor
>Only 3 more damage than CWoK
>Lower MA even against infantry than CWoK
>Less hp, shit armor, lower MD and no shields, takes tons of damage against everything low-tier (arrows and non-ap damage)
Bloodletters are significantly worse before end-game by which point you'll be steamrolling anyways. Even then its a so-so since they suffer easy casualties even against shitstacks. Its much better to have very strong early-to-midgame armies than slightly stronger endgame army.

Will we ever get another shielded halberd unit?

Is Khorne the strongest faction? I don't know any other race that lets me wipe out several Ku-gath stacks with just one of my own and conquer his entire province and wipe him out in one turn.
Khornes units, battle abilities and lords are also extremely strong.

>>529142215
I think that Khorne is the most powerful faction ever introduced to an RTS/turn based game.

>>529141449
I think they got buckbroken after they tried to tie events between different start dates. Wasn't worth the efford they assumed, I guess. We were robbed.

>>529141656
>game called Total War Shogun
>it's about a civil conflict with extremely low casualties and takes after the last Shogun resigned and the institution didn't even exist anymore
I don't get it

>>529140915
>MP
Even if Master lands every hit it´d take 4 minutes to take down Thunderbarge. By that time most MP fights are almost over already so Thunderbarge got to do whatever it wanted (tons of damage) for almost entire fight but you wasted funds on Pegasus-mounted Master that was essentially wasted the entire fight doing nothing, save for maybe shaving couple seconds of Thunderbarge uptime off from final seconds.

>>529141449
DLCs didnt sell as well as expected.They got more profit by focusing on Warhammer DLC.

>>529141449
Why do Asians give themselves bags under their eyes?

>>529143352
it's to show color and depth, since their foundation is such a bright color the face would look flat without it

>>529143653
Surely eyeshadow would be enough

Epidemius is a strong lord and possesses potent faction mechanics.

>>529143706
with the way they do their foundation, it covers everything, so it would look wierd with just eye shadow. There is other ways around this like highlighter and contour which look more natural and are more common, but the choice to add depth with the eye bags is an aesthetic one

>>529144126
You seem to know a lot about this

>>529139381
>>529139112

>>529144325
TROMM

>>529143653
>>529144126
Madison...

>>529144126
It's crazy that most guys wash themselves like every two days, maybe comb a bit and that's it, while women are raised from the age of like 4 to do all these elaborate beautification rituals on the daily to mislead men for love and attention.

>>529144325
We have the white dwarf, where's the black dwarf? I thought GW were progressive?

>>529144901
Blanco is simply stronger than Negro.
No reason add black

>>529144901
we already have the black dwarf

>>529144901

>>529145112
>>529145027
Imagine if someone pulled on that skull

>>529145318
Then Zhatan would have found yet another fine addition to his collection.

>click on new blood knight slop unit
>handgunners!

>>529091097
Good armor various options for line holders and damage dealers, don't get the daemonic faggotry where they die off if they get scared, and they win autoresolves, so...yep.

Thunderbarges weren't overpowered.

RETAKE LUSTRIA
MURDER ALL INVADERS

"As long as we outnumber them, we will hold!" Last words of an Imperial Spearman while ten units of skavenslaves were surrounding his unit.

>>529130267
Big eared hands typed this post.

>>529125982

I think the auto-resolve might be on crack. It thinks a battle where I fight against Azhag and his waggh army with a wounded garrison is a close victory but then me fighting Azhag as a lightning strike is a close victory. His Waagh army has two feral wyverns. They're a little spooky for an attritioned garrison.

>>529147460
but anon, think of the VIGOR PENALTY!!!

>>529147460
you need to play on at least hard battle diff to AR to make sense.

Also lightning striking makes your army tired.

ORC BOAR BOYS NED

Anti-player bias sure leads to interesting situations.
Despite being at war with Angrund whose settlements were undefended, Durthu walked through all their territory just to attack me. We arent at war though, so now he´s just sitting here entirely buckbroken while Angrund keeps wiping out WE after another. Oak of Ages has already fallen lmao.

>>529147454

>>529147634
But I have artillery, and rocket batteries make orcs dead and tired as they run up hill to fight my troops who will be tired but jerking their dicks until the enemy arrives

What percentage (or hard number) of a units models have to be down to for them to be too depleted and then disbanded?

HE archers feel so weak nowadays...

>>529148878
They have much lower damage than most other archers.

>>529140316
Its hitbox made projectiles go through it without doing any damage.

>>529148878
There's a reason SFO changes the light armored variant into 'low tier AP missiles' instead.

Darkshards (Shields) > your best ranged unit

full buffed morathi shadows or with the shadow-traits from their lords damn

>>529148830
For winning side, units with less than 5% models remaining are destroyed. For losing side, units with less than 20% models remaining are destroyed.

Do a 1v1 battle test where you have Chaos Warriors stand still and then have Empire Archers repeatedly fire volleys at their front.
See how many volleys it will take for the Chaos Warriors to rout.

>>529149087
Celestial Crossbows > Darksharts

>>529149087
what I give my best ranged unit snipe

>>529149087
Aside from shorter range and not starting with shields at the lowest level of the building, is there anything that really fucks over darkshards early game?
>>529149440
Chaos Warriors with shields? We might be here a while. Archers are basically just troops to desperately recruit for either a cheap second line army or to supplement a garrison; their main purpose is to hopefully kill enough chaff units that the army losses favor you.

>>529147710
THEY HAVE NO MISSILE TROOPS ROBERT

>>529149817
>is there anything that really fucks over darkshards early game?
Unshielded shards are actually pretty shit. They cant win any shooting duel because of low models and shit range. You bring them to fight against chaos and pretty much nothing else.

>they just confirmed that rats are the third race
It's so fucking over...

>>529149440
Cant be arsed. Have some napkin math.
>Warriors have ~90% armor reduction, meaning each bolt does 2non-ap + 4ap
>Assume 66% accuracy at max range, you get 360 damage per volley. Half are blocked by shields so 180 damage per volley
>7500hp/180= 42 volleys to kill or little over 9 minutes

Katarin can give her troops about 80% missile block in a 360 degree radius.

>>529150301

>>529150195
Yeah but once they get the shields the AP missiles win every early fight. that isn't against something designed to counter range.

>>529150301
Lay off the warpstone

>>529150320
>>529149440
Oops you said archers. They'd deal 3 damage per arrow, so 84 volleys but at faster fire rate for total time-to-kill of 14 minutes

What is the best Archermanii unit in the game right now?
Crossbowmanii count as archers

>>529150326
She is forming ice shields around every unit AND manipulating the air.

>>529149440
The Chaos Warriors still have 6000 health.

>>529150683
celestial dragon guard

>>529150864
But how is that possible in chaos corrupted lava land?

>>529150683
Celestial Dragon Guard for general bruteforce performance (ap, long range, armored & shielded, high enough melee stats to quickly fight off low-tier fliers that got into melee)
Honorary mention to Waywatchers since they are also long-range and AP, but also enable massive cheese fights since AI cannot deal with stalking sniper ranged at all.

>faction leader isn't a playable character
Why isn't the elf king playable but the dark elf king is? Why can't I play as the chinese emperor himself instead of his brats?

Chaos Warriors of Nurgle cost: 800
Chaos Warriors (Undivided) cost: 750

Nurgle warriors lose 5 melee attack and some speed but gain 10% health, +5 melee defence and poison attacks.

>>529150683
Shades

>>529151491
finubar is canonically a cuck

>>529149178
shadows = lore of magic
shade = dark elf unit

>>529150683
Left>Right
Here is my list. I was bored. Yes i'm a DEfag but i can good arguments.

>>529151491
Finubar is such a bad fighter that he makes less sense as a LL than Emmanuelle who can at least ride a pegasus and swing a runefang.
CA says Dragon Emperor is too powerful to be playable.

>>529151167
Sweaty Katarin...

>>529150683
Darkshards (shield)
Because while they may not be the strongest they're strong enough and the coolest ranged unit in the game

>>529150326
read the description again its not full shield block in 360

>>529151748
Bugmaniii have regen thoughever

>>529151829
You don't need to be a good fighter to be a LL, just make him good at leading and buffing
Also aren't the fat frogs the most powerful race in the world?

>>529152503
Dunno, a DE assassin captured one for Morathi to sacrifice so I would say drooki are the most powerful race.

>>529152503
>aren't the fat frogs the most powerful race in the world?
not the living ones. Even Mazdamundi, the strongest living Slann, is we wuz tier

>>529152410
Which does nothing because cant revive dead models. Its probably helpful against low dmage skaven/goblin melee units.

Astragoth cost: 1500
Karl Franz cost: 1100

Exosuit > Ghal Maraz

Thank you Feral Interactive for making a definitive version of Medieval 2. Can't wait to play it on my fucking phone. Thank you so much. https://www.feralinteractive.com/en/games/medieval2/android-ios/hotseats-halberds/#halberds

>>529152503
>>529151491
Finubar brings nothing new to the table tho. Which is the point of his character in the lore. He is just some dude who wants to be left alone.

>>529153081

>>529153081
Fucking why

>>529153072
Can Arbaal on foot beat Franz?

>>529153072
>DLC unit is OP

>>529153915
Arbaal is WH3 DLC lord. Without even checking the stats of course he fucking would and it wouldnt even be close.

Hello! I have decided to play a Nurgle campaign where I can only attack settlements and armies that are already infected by plagues.

>>529154419
He isn't a dedicated duelist with an anti-infantry bonus like Skulltaker or Yuan Bo.

>>529151829
>Finubar is such a bad fighter that he makes less sense as a LL than Emmanuelle who can at least ride a pegasus and swing a runefang.
This could make for an unusual LL at least, different from the usual wizard/buffer/duelist, make him an LL that sits mostly at home providing bonuses that way while occasionally being forced to sally out, like a Med2 governor general, give him stuff to do on the campaign map instead of leading from the front.
>CA says Dragon Emperor is too powerful to be playable.
I imagine we'll get Nagash down the line and he should be straight up busted even if you have to work for it a bit. I'm guessing they just don't think the effort is worth it for these more unique cases.

>>529134651
They should just add a dual start option where you can pick regular changeling or cultist changeling(or just have realms of chaos be cultist changeling) but that would be far too much effort even though a mod can do it.

>>529154494
What part of "wh3 DLC" unit dont you understand? Alright, I'll pull up the stats.
>Arbaal has 50 more AP damage, higher Charge Bonus, 10 more MD and 25% more hp
With his MD and hp alone he'd come out with over third of his hp remaining. Like I said not even close.

>>529153560
How new r u?
Its well known that halberds and pikes are borderline useless in vanilla m2. Balancing them is good.

>>529153081
They pretty much fixed pike sword draw thingy, by adding a new mechanic Cohesion. It's pretty much a halberd-morale, it allows halberd and pike units to use their big weapon for as long as Cohesion can support it. Getting flanked, getting unit loses and things getting scary will make them draw swords. Terrain and Guard mode also affects Cohesion.
Two-handed weapon units get bonus to Cohesion disruption just by attacking a halberd unit, in contact, along with flanking and other stuff. Two-handed units also got buffs to melee defense and armor and AP.
There is also some stat changes, bug fixes and tweaks to spearmen, billmen, halberds, pikes units.
They also tweaked powder ranged units, they won't reposition their whole unit to face their target in line of sight. Two-rank formation will make front guys duck to reload, instead of getting behind to reload, to allow back guys to shoot, so yeah fire-rate is impoved.

>beastmeme army filled with ungors and a few hounds ambushes me
>it's filled with lions of chrace and buffed rangers

>>529153081
>>529155496
Will this be added to the PC version?

>>529155174
That's not my issue, why isn't M2 remaster on PC yet?

I've noticed more and more formations like these from the AI since the last patch. Anyone else run into this?

>>529082036 (OP)
Yuan Shu my beloved...

>>529154450
>cant take his starting province because plague does not spread over water

>>529155767
Corner camping AI soon.

>>529155797
>Onions farmers union
Made me lol.

>>529155949
Why would chinamen farm onions?

>>529155582
>>529155695
Do you guys not have phones?

>>529155496
>literally every studio that isnt Horsham does a better job with Total War than them

>>529156151
stupid gweilo
green onion important!

Isn't this guy at huge risk of biting his tongue(s)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cwVZjB-N0
LL for this feel?

Why don't Cathay have muskets?

>>529156375
It's why he's so angry all the time.

>>529147454
So the Dwarf is right?

>>529093375
I come back to Attila basically every few months because both Rome factions are kino and cavalry has never been better.
Rome 2 is only good for heavy infantry spam and if I want relaxed campaigns.

>>529156503
Shotguns and sniper rifles are easier to invent than non-specialized rifles and pistols

>>529156847
The shugengan in ToW have pistols and bigger longmas, probably lost technology by the time of Karl Franz's reign.

Get PIGG'D fucker

>>529134807
you mean the better setting

>>529156503
Cathay dont have muskets yet. Just wait untill their TT model sales numbers are released.

Where the fuck are my Furies going? Wtf is this?

>>529144901
The actualy counterpart and rival is the Black Gobbo. But he doesn't really feature much outside of Bloodbowl.

>>529157215
Their home planet.

>>529156967
Actually an easy win for the Bretonnian if we're going by lore.

>>529156291
>Horsham
More like Horseshit, amirite?

>>529157037
The balloon women have bolt action rifles in game so if anything I'd expect line infantry

>>529156847
>>529156937
If GW wasnt a bunch of brown-nosing cowards with Cathay's lore they could have them be larping as an originator of tech. They could have independently come up with gunpowder, but have it be that they reverse-engineered Chorf blunderbusses and Skaven Jezzails for their guns.
Now they're even true to pre-modern China where they're in a constant game of catchup from fighting themselves with no incentive to invent new things, especially when they have immortal leaders that would no doubt hate seeing shit change from how they remember it from centuries past.

>>529141449
How many times do DLC and games need to fail before you retards realise no one wants CA's mini campaigns or alternate timelines.

>>529157368
Actually this is a generic, nameless Brettonian Lord and the pig rider 2nd from the left is SNUG TURDTOOTH(tm), the most brutally cunning and cunningly brutal orc. It was a very close battle and for a while it looked like the Brettonian noble was going to win, and he might have were it not for the timely intervention of HOBBLY BALLBITER(tm), the most cunning and brutal goblin great shaman to ever grace (Current edition). SNUG TURDTOOTH(tm) won the battle but I guess it wasn't over anything because the world state didn't change at it was like it never happened and had no impact on the setting what so ever. The End. (PS, pls but his miniature, it's only $75)

>>529157947
>Nameless Bretonnia Lord
As I said, by lore, easy victory for the Bretonnian, him fighting named Orks only makes his victory all the more certain.

>>529158085
A namless bretonnian lord would loose hard against a horde of orks. He could beat a bunch of orcs, but if orks came down from space and started firing bolters at him, he'd be fucked up bad

>>529157947
That looks like the psychic midget from Stalker

>>529158085
You didn't account for this passage being in an orc codex. Sorry, kid. That means the lore is all orc victories all the time.

Oh god he shit himself

>>529156291
What a handsome character

>>529158212
>Nameless Bretonnia Lord VS Horde of Orks
Easy victory for the Bretonnian, actually. I'm fairly certain a Grail Knight could beat 40K Orks, as well.

>>529158350
Armies do lose in their own codexes lore from time to time.

>>529156291

>>529157215
intern set tower hitbox to infinity please understand

>miao ying
I have captured both starting provinces, now what? Should I go help my bro capture shang yang or go after the eshin rat?

>>529156503
one of my main gripes with cathay actually
every gunpowder faction should have guns to fit shotgun/rifle/jezzail category so i dont have to use barbaric crossbows

>>529159170
get rid of rat and elf
chaos are fags and job to the wall

>>529159170
rat and lokhir first

>>529159170
If you can do a very quick grab for the last settlement in his intended starting provinces, you can sell it back to him for a very early boost in relations that will translate into earlier confederation. But if you suspect you might not reach in time, then don't bother, rush the fuck out of Snikch.

I'd even argue you should bother with the strat I just mentioned unless you were already recruiting a smaller army in Nan-gau that could take a minor settlement on it's own while Miao keeps pushing east.

Who is a good LL for trying liggers for the first time

>>529159197
Both guns and crossbows are arms of the churlish, used by treacherous peasants who have the sniveling gall to strike down brave knights from craven ambush.

>>529151491
You will notice that all the real faction leaders are not playable.
All the ones playable are fake, pretenders, puppets or shorts.

>>529159582
>the Empire's real leader is Neferata.

>>529159548
Tehenhauin probably. He is easy, extremely powerful. Get the lowest pyramid tier army ability as the effect wrecks enemy infantry, and then try to get the followers from second tier. Alternatively give Nakai a try, though he is not "that" easy and he will give you hard fights, and he also plays nothing like the others.

DESPOILERS CUM

>>529159831
>all this effort just to strengthen the empire and accomplishing less than vlad when he finds his ring awhile being assisted by his wife who likes bats
lahmians betray their fellow penicil pushers if they get fucked right too.

a comet the size of mars just slammed into the us, there will be no total war: union now that the sharts are dead

>>529160241
you're actually doomed then, since that means california survived
t. san diegan

>>529143653
>>529144126
>there is a female among us

>WE ARE SIGMA'S ASS!
ok?

>>529160241
bro posting from the underworld

>>529160145
thats because theyre being counteracted by strigoi

Anyone else play the game without ever making a 2nd army?

>>529160784
My wife Athena, who is a very real woman indeed.

>>529160920
haha! gross.

>>529160920
>>529161020
/twg/ = Athena general

>>529159578
dont worry we will get fire cavalry (unbreakable perfect vigour) with the next cathay dlc

>>529160812
Smegmar

>>529161107
I don't think he means the grecoroman goddess
I think he means that crazy tranny who got really mad about some history stuff and then started screaming about tactics
I hope I'm wrong

>>529161137
I don't want cavalry, I want kung-fu

>>529161396
hag

>>529161396
Mare

>>529159548
Tehenhauin is definitely the strongest one if you know what you're doing. Spam the ancillary sacrifice option, there's an option you get one that gives -15% building cost factionwide, get enough of those and your entire empire effectively becomes completely free.

For a more traditional experience, I'd recommend Kroq-gar. He's the most straightforward, just need to watch out for Wurrzag.
Then there's Oxyotl and Nakai for a more unique campaign experience. Oxyotl teleports all over the map every X number of turns to gain a bunch of borderline free benefits, but that halt your south pole expansion. Shouldn't be too hard to get a second stack going though with said benefits. And Nakai is just "do whatever you feel like, you're a fucking crocodile" simulator.

>>529161396
sniffy licky

>>529161107
erm akshually Athena was a virgin, it's part of her lore she was known as Athena Parthenos, or "Athena the Virgin"

>>529161396
Sow

>>529153081
>people beg for medieval 2 remaster
>its already released just on phones
fucking LOL

>>529161396
big
cathayan
thighs

>>529161870
Being a virgin doesn't mean she can't go around naked when she wants, in Sparta unmarried (virgin) female citizens even participated in naked sports events.

>>529161396
kung-SEX

>>529161396
>All that art of her and that new young white dude character
huh?

>>529162616
She's too old to be considered for a relationship by Chinese men.

>>529162772
brutal truke
Asian hags have it even worse than western ones somehow

Why do chaos dwarf artillery units share the same cap as iron daemons and skullcrackers? I really hate it.

>>529162270
Spartan unmarried women did intense physical exercise as a way to attract a husband and because Spartans didn't understand genetics and thought strong women would give birth to stronger offspring

>>529162101
Zased Yasuda holy shit

>>529163313
you're right, weak and limp wristed women would clearly be better genetic stock
dude wat

>>529163313
They exercised so Sparta would have fit widowed hags having lesbian sex after their husbands die holding back the barbarian hordes of Asia.

>Sp*rta

>>529163594
>physical exercise changes your genetic makeup somehow
nigger are you actually trying to learn medicine by reading Galen?
are you going to start rambling about the four humours and calling Gregor Mendel a dangerous radical?

>>529155582
Maybe but I would guess that they'll put more work in and create a M2 remaster since that's what happened with Rome.

>>529164019
why are you intentionally ignoring the fact that by observing said sweaty naked women, you can identify those who ARE stronger, faster, and tougher than the others? Like what, did you get picked on in PE class and just throw exercise out the window because it hurt your feefees? how odd.

>>529164019
The body's response to exercise is determined by genetics so in absence of DNA testing what Spartans did was indeed eugenic as long as the winners of the events were paired.

>>529164305
Based lamarckian evolutionist

oh boy

>>529163313
>>529164019
Why would you hyperfixate on information but still be fucking wrong? What is the point? poisoning the well?

>>529163670
Sparta was already gone way past it's peak by that point, despite his best efforts, Philip's son would later drink himself to death at 30 and scatter his lineage's legacy to the wind at speedrunner tempo and his own homeland would eventually suffer the same fate as Sparta under Rome all the same.
Sparta won.

Imagine if sparta had been Lysenkoist and instead of sports education the youth just drank Lacedaimonic energy drinks to get stronger offspring.

>>529163670
I don't think Spartan was smug in first place. He was rather acknowledging how fucked that are. Philip supposedly laughed when he hear it because both sides knew that It was true

>>529164649
>late game Khorne
>late game Skaven
>late game Dorfs
I hope your ass is in Lustria.

>>529164131
Hope that they will not make it incompatible with win 7 like rr

>>529164305
physical prowess is determined mainly by lifestyle and diet, genetics aren't the main determining factor
>picked on in PE class
nice projection you fat fuck, you're not big boned and it's not genetic

>>529164829
>those settlement counts
It's clearly early game

>>529164930
>win 7
Either get over your hangups about nu-Windows or switch to Linux already.

>>529165193
genetics absolutely are a determining factor when comparing a similar group of athletes who do the same routines, otherwise no one would be the record setter
try some competitive sports, fatty

>>529164829
my ass is right in the middle of cathay after beating up meow
tamurkhan likes me and he is dlc powercreeping grimgor from behind
kislev tide is starting but a bunch of chaos shits are still alive to slow them down for now

>>529159548
Ignore those other faggots, just go for Gor-Rok and let Kroak annihilate everything in your path.

defending right now...

>>529163670
Sparta was never the military chads portrayed nowadays, their only claim to chadhood being leonidas (who didnt even win), all the posterior victories belonged to athenians in greek histor6

>>529166069
>Ride out with me, ride out and meet them

>>529166120
>(who didnt even win)
ffs everyone knows this and everyone repeats it like leonidas on land and the athenians in the water didn't fucking cripple that persian army to pieces in the process

>>529166308
Leonidas didnt cripple shit lmao, it just bought time at best

>>529166381
it literally let them win the war
?????? jesus these armchair generals are getting fucking UPPITY

>>529166601
t. Spartan

>>529165351
No. Fuck feral and feral apoogists

>>529164695
If you kill your enemies they win!

>>529166627
no
this is my tribe

>>529166120
Most of the legend of Spartan military excellence comes form the amount of time they were a significant power in Greece, not just from the Persian wars.

>>529165503
running in a field and participating in the gymnopaedia isn't a lab experiment that eliminates the actually relevant factors to physical performance you fucking imbecile, and even if it did it wouldn't account for previous injuries or non congenital diseases
and stop projecting you tub of lard
muh PE this muh PE that maybe instead of being obese and aggressively projecting that onto others you should hit the gym, maybe then you'll stop blaming your genes for your pot belly

>>529167071
this is true, the other greeks that hung around spartans made fun of their food more than anything else

>>529167240
lmao!
athena, you fucking pseud, finish reading the books you skimmed.

>>529166381
By all acounts it was the Doolittle Raid, or the Aspern-Essling of it's time, it gave a huge boost to national morale at a time when the enemy seemed invincible or at least mighty enough to make defeat seem like an inevitability.
The only people who really know the significance of the battle are the people who lived to receive the news of it directly, we can't really grasp what they went through.

Norsca is fucked beyond repair, no rework will fix it. They are doomed to be WOC lite instead of fantasy vikings.

>>529167292
>Everyone off to the fields all day to train as soldiers.
>Nobody fucking stays to cook.
>Everyone forgets how to cook.
>All that military training goes to shit as every spartan is on a strict diet of Burger Tyrant and DonaldIades.

I probably butchered that suffix, I don't speak greek.

>>529167806
Everything I read about the topic was frightening. Just bowls of slop in sparta served by angry looking women and being eaten by angry looking men while the other gayreeks are absolutely flabbergasted.

>>529167773
Fantasy scythians/turkics >>> fantasy vikings
Tamurkhan already proved this, Sayl and his horsearcher tribes will erase any doubt.

CA paid for some paradox game streamers to play WH3.
https://www.twitch.tv/bokoen

>>529166069
>sieges as bretonnia
Almost made me uninstall the game
Never playing that faction again

>>529168348
Interesting. I wonder if they are gearing up for a reveal.

>>529167773
they're just really bland and boring
>wow dood vikings dude woah they raze and pillage! o-oh greenskins, ogres, goblins, gnoblars and 9000 other races do the same thing...? well...they have...boats

>>529167773
It'll be fine, Norsca is actually a solid faction on the battlefield, if they fix their campaign mechanics they'll be a great faction to play.

>>529168461
Also weird that they paid for a MP campaign instead of MP battles. MP campaigns in WH3 are notoriously slow and unwatchable.

I never get bored of spearmen lines.

>>529163670
Sp*rta was regional power at best with a overhyped citizen militia who were only better than their neighbours because they were all slave owners and thus had the time to practice war
and even then they still needed Persian help to beat Athens and got fucking bodied by Thebes and their army of homos

Spartacucks are the most delusional people on the planet, at least Athensfags can cope with their lasting cultural legacy Spartafags run on pure delusion
if we're being realistic Macedonians were the only Greeks who actually mattered

>>529168586
Hunters with Javelins are fucking amazing.

So we all agree every weapon is just a variation of the pointy stick, right?

>>529168737
They and chorf shotguns are my favorite units in the game

>>529168624
true true...

>>529168803
every weapon is a variation of the penis

>>529168803
Mustard gas.

>>529168934
proofs???? data????? statistics?????????

>>529168909
Way too many slingers, no javelins, no cretan archers
Disgusting.

>>529168990
very small, breathable pointy sticks... terrifying

>>529168228
empirecels...are we going to make it?

>>529168803
pointy sticks are just a variation of blunt sticks

>>529169031
no range
mercenaries aren't worth the money in R2

NEXT

>>529169354
feels like a chicken egg kinda scenario, if I'm being honest

Spears are based on Rhino horns.

>>529168705
>Spartacucks are the most delusional people on the planet, at least Athensfags
Athenians were The Spartacucks, pretty much all our writings of Sparta come from outsiders, mostly Athenians who were all Spartaboos who had a limited amount of lived experiences with Sparta or none at all, but they were almost all admirers of them.

The only nation that Sparta ever feared was Macedon.

>>529169925
Nah they feared me too. They're lucky I was born like 2000+ years late cause I'd have fucked their shit up.

>>529168624
Give spearmanii better animations or different ones and I'd be happy as a fucking clam. Too late for Rome2 and you don't really have a big difference in medieval times but if you did rome 3 tomorrow just gimme:
>Hoplite specific animations (Literally just steal the helf/delf spearelf animations they are perfect)
>Basic shield animations
>Boisterous barbarian shit
And it'd be good. I just dislike the R2 era animation for spears which has them hunch over.

>>529167806
That great gayboy youtuber did the spartan broth and the funny thing was how utterly inoffensive it was. If I recall his conclusion right it was just that it didn't really have a big taste at all since it's just
>boiled pork
>Blood
>salt
>Vinegar

>>529166893
Based Huemac

>>529143706
There's probably also just some element of
>It looks cute and like they're tired uwu
Same way there's odd trends over here. Like the elf-cheek-hollowing or for a time slanting your eyes (Catseye trend or something I forget the word for it)

>>529168705
Macedonians were Slavs

Macedonians were finns

>>529170078
>That great gayboy youtuber
I've actually cooked a few of Max Miller's recipes, did the russian stroganoff last time. I fucking love his channel.

>>529168228
How it should have been. Norsca was the DLC nobody wanted and nobody asked for. Shoulda been:
>Wufrik is in WoC
>Throgg is a hero
>For WH3 release a Kurgan/Hung DLC pack
Too lazy to look up the scrimbo-killmonger names for the Kurgan representatives but you've got plenty to choose from and it'd be a distinction among the Chaos factions for a Bretonnian equivalent in terms of cavalry centric. One north of Cathay or already raiding in Cathay, one in darklands or raiding empire, one in Naggarond.

>>529170078
I have never understood the people who take away the one good thing about eating. Why make it a chore you have to do? And surely you fight harder knowing you've got a delicious meal once you win?

Iskander was a Turk

Macedonians accomplished more than all Greek states combined.

>>529170403
>Throgg is a hero
Another one for the /twg/-is-retarded-and-should-never-be-listened-to collection.

have to press the advantage after decisive field victories or else they build up again

>>529170671
Cope, Macedon is a footnote of an empire for teens to circlejerk over, Athens shaped Western civilization for thousands of years after their golden age.

still waiting on the fucking mongol game CA

Best TW game for Vikangz?

The most impressive Greek state was the Roman Empire.

>>529170703
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

>>529170974
this
Roma Aeterna

>>529170942
In development, CA is adjusting the setting to the new prevailing view that Mongols never conquered China.

>>529170942
Med 3 Megacampaign
Game 1: Europe+Levant
Game 2: Anatolia+Egypt+Persia+Americas
Game 3: India+Mongols+China+Korea+Japan

>>529170553
I think it's more a matter of exposure, if the Spartans grew up eating bland food they wouldn't think anything was wrong.

ITS UP! https://youtu.be/uAKj9eRX5Tg
>even when trying to lose he has to put in effort
Kek, based Legend

>>529170306
Tried his George Washington eggnog, was pretty good.

>>529171829
Its weird to me that it was enough of a meme that it implied they didn't care about other options when abroad from sparta. funny guys

>>529170956
Personally
1.M2 Kingdoms expansion
2.Attila
3.Thrones of Britannia

>>529170553
People haven't changed. "Strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times" was described by Xenophon in his Cyrus biography. "Suffering builds character" was probably talked about back in some lost Sumerian writing.


Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was

>>529171634
Can't have the levant and not Anatolia. There's a few ways they could do a M3 split a'la Warhammer1/2/3:
Option A:
>Napoleon Map more or less, maybe extend it to the Eastern Anatolian Mountains. West Africa.
>Greece through to Hindu-Kush/Central Asia, maybe India too. east Africa
>East Asia + Southeast Asia + South Asia if you lacked it.
Option B:
>Western Eurasia map a'la R2 (Baghdad being roughly the eastern limit)
>New World map, maybe throw in Africa or even India
>East Asia

I'll do an image in a bit.

>>529172368
But nothing ever happens albeitthroughly

Why does CA hate us so much to wait so long to announce the third race? Why did they say late June originally and then delay it to July like GW delayed the rest of the Cathay armies until July for tabletop?

>>529168705
Sparta firmly controlled Greece for about a 40 year period under Agesilaus, they were not just a regional power.

Fairly certain that Sparta fought against Athens in a mega league war and Sparta actually won it.

I'm pressing the advantage after winning that DECISIVE victory

Having helots is the key to gains

>>529174098
Whilst the UK only has 3 settlements in Warhammer 3...
A reminder that France only had 1 settlement in Empire.

>>529161870
Imagine beating Aphrodite with a club and breaking all of her bones.
t. guy in Pompeii

>>529082036 (OP)
I kneel to Grand China

>>529172776
The ultimate matchup. Nothing ever happens chudjack versus same as it ever was G-man.

>>529172368
One possibility for MEdieval 3.

Reveals in December:
Total War: Warhammer 3 End Times Expansion
Total War: Medieval 3
Total War: Warhammer 4

>>529175812
bro what would Warhammer 4 even be? The entire Warhammer Fantasy world is covered, right?

>>529175860
the surface is

>>529175860
Technically, we could still include Ind and Khuresh as well as some lesser factions such as Albion and Amazons.

ARABYBROS IT'S OUR CHANCE

>>529175860
GW could just give them the go ahead for unreleased factions and we get a load of new shit.

>>529174905
And then pike and shot. A reason I see for a WH3 style stretched out dimension is if you just limit it to the new world then all your base content (and DLC) is in:
>T. Alberto Barbosa of Portugal
>Spain
>Inca
>Aztec
>Miscellaneous Injuns
With the other Europeans yet to arrive.
If you expand it to Africa at a minimum, you get Songhai, the literal we-wuz-mongols-en-sheet Fulani or whatever sahel group I forget the name of that troubled mansa munsa, the Ethiopians who did holy wars with Portugual vs the Ottomans and black-muslims. You get Alberquerque's fucking with Muslims in the Indian ocean and India, and you get Ottoman/Safavids (as you also do in the blue release 1 box).
Or you could cut it off at the Arabian peninsula and save India for an East Asia thing. That map is also 1200AD but I was too lazy to find a suitable one.

>>529175860
Age of Sigmar (horrifying). If GW was really cool then they'd have come up with a Rise of Sigmar thing but that's something GW would want to capitalize on miniatures for so they clearly haven't done it.

>>529176015
Ind, Khuresh, Amazons, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, Border Princes and Pygmies (pre-order DLC)

I'm going to play Seleucids now.

>>529176301
Not sure where I read it or if it was reputable but it was supposed to be how mercurial GW is. Like CA asks one guy and he goes
>Yeah sure go for it dude btw here's a dump of old lore documents and concept art going back to the 80s on this obscure shit.
ask someone else at GW and they go
>"No"
You tell em but it says in their lore X is the case and you wanna do X
>"yeah no well that's changed so no you can't."

>>529176435
Why not pontus.

>>529176521
P*ntus is gae

>>529176595
True

>>529176595
Pontus is eternal

Fuckin hell Old World has so many minor factions

But I don't want to play as

Just discovered that the bloodspeakers heal ability which damages him affects the barrier first so make sure to always have a barrier causing item on him for free heals.

>>529177086
It's bit too big for me, I wanted a bigger map but the Old World is gigantic.

>>529151829
I wish we got emmanuelle, eslpeth is so lame and the amethyst gunners stuff is retarded.

>Bloat World

>>529177128
Lots of barrier items since the item rework.
Bloodspeaker is having the time of his life.

>>529177370
K8P kinda kino though...

>>529175860
>Ind
>Khuresh
>Nippon
>Hobgoblin Khanate
>Split Kurgans and Norsca to give Kurgans their own faction.

Plenty of races they could have in the base game for a hypothetical Warhammer 4.

>>529177261
elspeth and emmanuelle should have a Vlad/Isabella deal going on

>>529121872
>so is the whole replenishment/musting
Get the perk that grants fast replenishing
>next turn scripted event spaws a fullstack of superior units right next to my capital
Who did you play? I've used everyone and don't remember this
>economy go down the shitter
You have to make buildings that match the settlement

>>529159831
Real Empire leader is Boris (if K.F had not rigged the elections).
Neferata is the real leader of Kislev (via her rebelious grand daughter Kattarin).

gonna play skrag

dont

do

>>529122432
>>529122613
>Kong Rong
>Jobber
Arguably the strongest uniques in the game. You can take fully garrisoned settlements with less than 10 casualties with even just two commanders in your army. Be aggressive and wipe out the starting Yellow Turban then it's easy from there. Start with waiting for him to attack your starting settlement though.

What will UNIRONICALLY happen if Tides flops?
Will SEGA flay them some more?

>>529177978
Skrag is genuinely fun but more than a little overpowered.

>>529178408
Just historically, he's pretty cool in game.

>>529178585
public executions

>>529178585
No chance of that happening. Even OoD, the unga-bunga dlc, sold well. This dlc appeals to coomers, norsca autists and either Elves or Vampires. Gonna selllike hotcakes.

Liu Bei starts with Guan Yu in his army so that is basically cheating.

>>529178585
3 Kingdoms 2 because it is their highest selling total war game ever. Although Alien: Isolation outsold all total war games.

>>529178585
nothing we make fun of it CA says they'll fix it and thats it

Medieval 3?
No....
It'll be INNEREVAL AAAAAA ITS INSIDE ME

No, we can't get Medieval 3 before we get Empire 2. WE JUST CANT!

>>529179308
We'll get Rome 3

>>529178585
HYENAS 2

>>529179651
Dont worry there wont be another historical total war.

Should have bought Pharaoh.

>>529179856
I did buy Pharaoh, I love Pharaoh Total War

There will be 1 more historical Total War.

>>529178927
>elves
>vampires
Neither have the selling power Sega and CA have planned for this DLC.
The third race is Clan Skurvy with Thanquol.

>CA makes another historical war
>NOOOO NOT THAT ERA WE WANTED MEDIEVAL 3 AIEEEEE
>all time peak: 300

>>529180084
'His'cucks literally only want knights, Romans or samurai with a small subset also liking gunpowder stuff.

>>529180209
Thats cause Knights are cool and guys in skirts hitting each other with sticks are boring as fuck

Am I just bad at lizardmen or is mazdamundi start the most challenging?

>>529170078
what I learned from him is that Roman and Medieval cuisine was pvre SOVL, everything from the 19th century onwards was soulless
I'll take Parthian Chicken and Byzantine Honey Fritters over victorian/guilded age slop any day of the week

>>529180302
both

>>529180302
Gor Rok is the most challenging Imo

>>529180302
Mazdamundi does have a bit of an awkward start. Remember to spam apotheosis and use your Basiladon revification crystals.

>>529180209
All those are cool, yeah

>>529180413
he cute

>>529180060
Scruten is Thanquol's clan though.

Total War: Muhammad

>>529180459
>>529180470
Slaanesh units just seems to melt my saurus and none of my early tier units can catch those fucking norscan horse riders

>>529180663
That would actually be forbidden (haram).

>>529180663
>Aisha event
>Deflower her
>Do her ass first

>>529180302
Yeah, he's the hardest one.

>>529180459
Gor-Rok gets Kroak, there is no challenge to be had there, you cannot lose with your main army, ever.

>>529180649
Scruten is the generic pawn clan of all Grey Seers, but in TWW Thanquol was confirmed to hang out with Clan Skurvy, also it fits the Tides name in more ways than just Vermintide.

>>529180084
people who actually like history play Paradox games

>>529180649
They had a short story about Thanquol leading Skurvy like 5 years ago

>>529179802
HYENAS 76

The next and final dlc for the empire will be Lietpold the Black, right?
better than Valten, but still

How the fuck do you deal with skaven with a ranged focus army? Jfc I hate this rat summon so much

>

>>528749058

>>529181247
Spoiler that shit

>>529181247

>>529181153
When fighting rats, never feel ashamed of a little cheese
That is, bunch your units up and wait out the summons
>im fighting ikit/its a field battle
then you simply get fucked

Are Chorfs worth it at half off? Or are they not worth getting period?

>>529181247
>cheats

>>529181153
>menace belows you
>warp lightnings you 90 times
>shoots you from 900000 km away
>nukes you
nothing personal

>>529181153
By not bringing a ranged focus army.

>>529168705
>Macedonians
Not Greeks. Not Helens.
>But..
No. Herodot(or it was Tiukitides) called them barbarians. They were refused access to Olympics.Their royal family may be greek as Alexander(not son of Philip but Pauzanias, earlier Alex) claimed that they come from one of the greek heroic stocks (don't remember one) and so he was allowed into Olympics.

I kinda hope Elspeth start would be more challenging...

>>529181623
Excellent dlc. Buy it if you like their aesthetics.

>>529181843
It will. Just wait for the Vampire rework.

>>529181153
>empire
ironsides can melee, you're fucked if you're using anything else
>dorfs
not a problem, menace from below are simply a nuisance
>kislev
same thing with streltsi and ice guard
>high elves
outside of archers who will get mogged their ranged units will fuck up rats
>wood elves
same thing
>chaos dorfs
not a problem

warp lightning fucks everyone up, just move bro

>>529181843
She is like literally 10 turns away from the nearest closest enemy legendary lord unless you want to fight Karl Franz. She is literally on the most empty spot of the map completely devoid of legendary lords.

>>529181247
I cannot imagine playing the game and injecting this shitty fan fiction and occasional Black Library drivel into it and thinking it in any way improves the experience. Truly baffling stuff.

haha

>>529181843
DLC power creep includes being put into a position on the map where nothing really threatens you.

is it ok to use skirmish mode on WE units?

Why is every nurgle follower fat?

>>529182358
I wish I could do this to defeated LL as Slaanesh.

>>529182207
t.

>>529167292
>Dem Spartuns don season dere food

>>529182429
Because TCA is lazy in doing design.
Same way every Slannesh named character is an ugly troon except Sigvald and there's no beautiful lady.

How similar are the 40k Votann to Fantasy Dawi?
Are they honored kin, or just wazzocks?

I look forward to meeting many new Anons come the December CA showcase!

>>529182606
Too similar if anything, oathshit is just tossed in even though they're fucking clones governed by AI (that part is actually cool)

>>529182606
They're Deep Rock Galactic dorfs, they're nowhere as close to the dawi

They're also clones and are soulless miners, they're not squats which are Imperium manlets

>>529182207
soulless

>>529182767
>>529182790
Getting conflicting messages here.
>they're fucking clones governed by AI
And the AIs don't fucking end civilizations? I guess that already makes them better at it than the Imperium.

>>529182606
they aren't nearly as grimdark as other factions

>>529183020
They are cringe everyone else. Only based in basement of their outpost, kek

>>529182975
Fantasy dorfs are Tolkien dorfs turned up to 20 with oaths and groodges

Votann are DRG, SC Terran clone miners who don't really care about other factions and the Imperium leaves them alone as long as they send them mineral tithes

>your starting caster hero has the worst fucking lore
every time

>>529181623
they're already half
full-sized races are only worth it half-off, so wait until chorfs are quarter-off

>>529183298
>Votann canonically lure Space Marines into traps and recycle their ships
>send them to the imperium as tithes
Based manlets

>>529181623
They're awesome anon probably the best faction dlc desu (that costs money)

>>529183293
Not even wrong, what a dogshit powercrept hero

guys can I put WE ranged units on skirmish mode or do I have to micro them?

>>529183370
Only true if you play Eshin.

>>529182606
looks kinda gay and generic

>>529183370
>start Franz campaign
>do turn 1 rollout
>endturn
>celestial wizard
>restart Franz campaign
Worst lore to get as Empire

>>529183540
They're not really Space Marines if they can get lured and bamboozled by stunties

>>529183581
If they have 360 firing (not glade guard) then yeah sure
It's better to micro but if you're new use skirmish mode as training wheels

>>529183617
sisters get a fucking beast lore caster

>>529183801
Flock of Doom is sufficient.

>>529183683


>Their vessel had followed an antiquiated Imperial saviour beacon to the Uldash System, splitting off from its task force of Indomitus Crusade Fleet Quintus to do so. The vessel they found was a long abandoned derelict. Its beacon had been but recently awakened and auspex readings suggested the vessel has been towed into position by some manner of ionised or magnetic energy beam.

>Kin warships had burst from the warp without warning. Their dispersal had been textbook for a void ambush and their weapon systems armed and ready. They broadcast a single message before opening fire. This system belonged to Unthyk's Kindred of the Kronus Hegemony. By entering it the Space Marines had committed a clear act of trespass and aggression. The Kin would destroy them, and thanked the Space Marines for aiding them in meeting their current conquest quota.

>>529182606
>squats
dwarves (considered abhuman) serving in the imperium as practical engineers/mechanics much to the techpriests' dismay
also in combat roles, slayers came from 40k and were ported over to fantasy
>votann
clone miners serving an ai who hasn't gone rogue
they don't interact with the imperium or with anyone that much though they pay the imperium in minerals and gems to be left alone

>>529183581
only put units that can fire while moving on skirmish mode otherwise never use it

>>529183801
Beast lore is good tho.

>>529183671
>>celestial wizard
>Worst lore to get as Empire
Motherfucker have you SEEN the army bonuses celestial wizards bring?

guys how to WE

do I even use their melee units?

>>529184128
yeah they bring the bonus of
>hitting nothing
>hitting your own troops
>debuffs that are outclassed by any other available lore
>buffs that are outclassed by any other available lore

>>529184198
It depends they're really good on Orion and Tree Kin + Treemen are fucking CRAZY good with Durthu it all depends on who you're playing desu

>>529183671
>Thunderbolt against chaos
>aoe debuff spell
>cheap wind spell against vampshits
>comet
>Chain lightning
>Kino points because of wh1 trailer
Celestial is great.

>>529184251
Bruh.
Git gud. For real.

>>529184398
>>529184447
>um, akschuilly, there is no worst lore!!!!
neck yourselves, celestial magic is the worst lore for empire, every other lore has better synergy

>>529184198
You cant spam archers in wh3. Yo need a solid frontline in early game as WEs. Get 8 dryads.

>>529184198
If you play as Drycha then she makes her melee units great.

>>529184556
>>um, akschuilly, there is no worst lore!!!!
Nobody said that. But Celestial sure af isn't it, and you saying you hit your own troops instead of the enemy with it is the biggest possible giveaway that you just suck.

is kholek the oldest guy

>>529184798
>refuses to make his own declaration of what the worst Empire lore is
I accept your concession

>>529184658
>solid frontline on a race well known for not relying on it

>>529184919
among the playable LL's who aren't daemons, probably yes

>>529184556
Only kinda useless lore for Empire is Death magic, schizo.

>>529183069
>you exist as a slightly modified clone of a person that drew his last breath before the Imperium was founded
>you are accompanied by Amazon warehouse drones that want to ensure service with a smile
>you spend most of your life cataloging planets for Amazon to mine, mining planets to fill warehouses, or cataloging inventory in warehouses
>your entire existence is governed by a millennia-old Amazon AI stuffed with brain scans of your clone-cestors
>you're so soulless that the warp doesnt even register you as alive

>>529184928
You didn't even ask us to say at any point which is worst in our opinion so you suddenly making this an argument is fucking stupid.

And the worst ones for Empire are ironically Metal and Death, provided we're not talking specifically about Gelt and Elspeth which make them work well enough.

>>529184919
Kholek's dad is roleplaying as a mountain.

why in WH3 you dont hear voice lines when you hover over post battle options like in WH2?

>>529185264
Warp registering you as alive is a bad thing because it means you are a daemon cocksleeve.

>>529185335
Charlemagne...

>>529184987
I bet you can field 19 deepwood scouts ealy game on easy + billions of cheats. But in l/vh, glade guard cant burst down rushing rats or beastmen fast enough.

I wonder how many Charlemagnes Hyenas cost.

>>529184919
isn't the lizardmen's magical fat frog dude older? what about daemon lords?
maybe the dragon kids, Xen Yang is definitely older than Kholek but I don't think it's ever specified when be had Miao and Yuan (I think they're supposed to be the oldest I dunno for sure)

>>529184919
I think the list goes:
Shen Yang/Moon Empress > Krakanrok (Kholek's dad) > Nakai > Kholek > Mazdamundi

Dragon ogres didn't have lifespans that long until Kholek pledged their race to Chaos, so it stands to reason Kholek was probably born during the reign of the Old Ones.

>>529185541
so you are playing WE the same way as HE?

>>529185290
>no its not the worst! its actually good!
>no its good!
there's an implicit demand for you to make your own counter argument for what is worst
is one supposed to dance around the hole you create? learn how to add your own 2 cents into a conversation you socially malformed inbreeder

>>529185596
about 500 yeentillion I think

>>529185606
Deamons are outside the concept of time because they live in warp.

I think oldest beings on the planet are Dragons(Dragon Emprah might be the oldest but we dont know) > Kholek > Kroak > Morathi

I never understood the
>Elspeth doesn't need melee xD
meme, she absolutely fucking does

>>529185765
He said make dryads not et*rnal gu*rd

>>529185798
Shut up retard.

so why exactly should i use black knights over blood knights

>>529185765
Only Sisters and Orion yeah. I got fucked over a lot by just spamming archers in wh3. Unless you are corner camping like a bitch, AI knows how to rush down your archers.

>>529186194
Black Knights are cheaper and are available earlier.

>>529186117
Her Ironsides are more resilient in melee than Empire state troops, it's as simple as that.

Am I remembering it wrong or did Wood Elves used to be able to shoot through trees? I just started a sisters campaign and my archers are hitting the trees.

wood elves are the faggiest faction in the game, refunded WE DLC their roster, lords and everything else is fucking gay

>>529186756
>Didnt like Sisters of Twilight
confirmed fag

How good are these guides:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Total_War:_WARHAMMER#Battle_Tactics
I prefer text over video

Sayl the Faithless is appearently a Shadows and Heavens caster. Slaanesh also has access to Shadows. HEs has access to both lores.

So we might get Shadows and Heavens updates. Shadows is fine imo, but i hope they completely remake the chain lightning.

shit races
shit dlc
its over

>>529187367
Very interested to see Sayl's stats and abilities. He looked armoured in his concept art.

>>529182207
seething gobbo

is there any place where I can check out all voice lines?

>>529182606
I wish they actually made them look like dorfs and not just vertically challenged space marines. Amazing how utterly uninspired votann are no wonder they barely sold any.

>over 9000 rats
That was fun.

what tactics do nurgle armies have other than 'lol blob'?

>>529187946
>check their units
>Hearthkyn, not just kin
>Beserks, instead of berserks
Copyrightslop is gross

Gura stop breaking 4chan

GODS OF THE AFTERLIFE, SPARE MY ARSE

>>529151748
this is such a shit take I have to reply to it 6 hours late. waywatchers are objectively the strongest because they can shoot while running away. they also have the longest range so it's easier to keep them on target while you're repositioning them. sisters of avelorn should be higher than shades and dragon crossbows because they fill a role that the army otherwise struggles with. shades and dragon crossbows are strong, but they're competing with other units in the same role. sea guard are totally overrated and worse than shadow warriors which you don't even mention. bugman's rangers are also way better than quarrellers. most of your other picks also don't deserve to be on a list over deepwood scouts and glade guard.

>>529188318
You get paranoid about copyright when your IP's are made of other IP's cobbled together.

>>529164305
>sweaty naked women
Even their vaginas?

>>529187367
>HEs has access to both lores.
How is this relevant?

>>529182606
They are the finest Loyalist Cabal ever. Loyal to their great Warmind.

>>529190556
I'd argue Blizzard has more to do with it.

>>529191129
He's still all in on HE being the faction.

>>529187712
I don't know about finding them individually but they're all on youtube in compilations

>>529183069
Votann debts are hilariously grimdark. It may be funny to read about how off the cuff remark led to a millenia long feud, but take a step back and imagine how truly horrifying that is. Some serf on your planet 600 years ago sneezed in the presence of a Kâhl. Today, out of nowhere, their craft descend from the sky and blew up your home, your neighborhood, the whole continent. And on the League's end, debts drive them past all rational thought. They're being sent to die because of a feud that happened centuries before they were born, which has no effect on their own lives, which can have the stupidest possible cause.

>>529183069
The grimdark of the Votann is more subtle, but it's there. The most obvious is what you said; their Ancestor Cores are so full of bloatware that they're slowing to a crawl, and the Kin are (as far as the codex mentions) entirely dependent on their Votann's genetic templates to continue "reproducing." Entire leagues can die out if they lose their Votann.

They are turbo-capitalists insofar as how they treat other races, but the Kin are pretty egalitarian amongst themselves, and they have regulatory organizations to promote fair competition.

If you aren't Kin, however, they only care about you if you're useful to them or if it'd be too expensive to kill you. That's another thing, to them, it was never your shit. It's a sort of greedy resource manifest destiny that they adhere to. If you're squatting on a world with shit they want, they may or may not let you evacuate if they're in the mood. Most likely, your planet's getting cracked with you on it. And they don't give a fuck; you were just an obstacle.

TL;DR: They are plenty grimdark, they just aren't internally dysfunctional to the degree of the other factions.

>t. Read the codex

The Gaunt gazes upon the Total War series and this general...it feels...invited

>>529190123
>While running away
>Keep on target while repositioning
While I agree with your arguments for field battles, I find ~90% of my biggest battles being sieges. There Dragon Crossbows are best imo. Towers, archers on barricades and artillery WILL deal chip damage. The armor + shield is often the difference between having unit with 75% hp left and only couple models lost and unit with 40% health left and half its models dead. Its simply a lot easier to keep up momentum with them than with Waywatchers paper-thin armor. The damage being split into two arrows also reduces overkill, offsetting some of the damage difference.

>>529168624
said every pre gunpowder general

Is kislev worse off after the rework? I'm just starting the campaign but it feels like it's going to be impossible to use invocations on legendary difficulty

>>529169842
Romans were even worse tho
Athens had a couple Spartaboos who admired it from afar, Romans turned the place into a tourist trap where "Spartans" LARPed as Leonidas for Italian money

>>529192212
Their tech tree got shuffled, Katarins skills were buffed, atamans now grant more buffs and add into garrisons + their garrisons can sally out to support your nearby army stacks. They are a lot stronger now.

I could 1v1 every spartan, roman or whatever the fuck meme warrior from the bygone eras

>>529182606
They're different like how the Empire and Imperium are different enough that Cathay is more Imperium than the Empire, or even Skaven.

Similarities: Their tech is advanced, they have grudges and can be extremely petty and greedy, love booze, hate Orcs, use axes and guns, some typical Dwarf traits.

Difference: They rely on AI overlords for everything and the destruction of one of them is worse than entire Dwarf holds lost. No Dwarf, not even the Ancestor Gods, have that much day to day importance. They don't have anything against the Eldar given no War of the Beard equivalent ever occurred. They don't really have "friends" like the Empire and Dwarfs, only financial interests they peddle their second-hand gear to like Tau. They're an Abhuman strain rather than an Old One creation. They have psykers, but an intentionally rare breed. Etc.

Gor-Rok for Lustrian native defending homeland kino.

>>529182606
They don't honor any ancestor gods. That alone would piss off Dawi unless you can convince them the giant A.I. cores are somehow incarnation of Valaya, Grimnir or Grungni.

>>529191896
>this passes as grimdark nowadays

>>529182606
Virtually any Dorf faction in WHFB, AoS, or 40k meeting would get into a fight over culture differences. We real life people can tolerate each other enough to get along just enough to trade but they'd beat the shit out of each other. Maybe, just maybe the AoS Skydorfs & Votann would get along given mutual disregard for gods & obsession with profit but Votann would sooner get along with TES Dwemer than WHFB Dorfs.

>>529192456
I bet you can 5v1 a lot of warriors

>>529192456
Incredibis

>>529192456
you can't even beat your urge to enter McDonald's locations you fat fuck

>>529192030
>needing archers for sieges with the faction that has both cannons and flying rocket launchers

Be a good person

Give me a nuke and I can 1v10000 a legion

>>529182606
They're too good of an idea. They take all the classic dwarf tropes and evolve them into a sci-fi setting in really cool ways.
Dwarves are known for their supreme craftsmanship. In a setting with genetic modification and AI, the break down the barrier between themselves and their craft. They make themselves with as much care as they make anything else, and their creations are as intelligent as they are.
Dwarf society is based on respect for ancestors and the old ways. So in the far future their society is run by a computer that is the agglomeration of all the knowledge of their ancestors.

But this is 40k. Everything needs a one sentence explanation of how badass they are. The Leagues as a concept are just too subtle and thoughtful

>>529194879
There's no darkgrim futilitydark hopelessgrave to them

I know you NIGGERS don't play good games anymore, but
what is THE mod for Napoopan nowadays?
I got the itch

>>529180413
Conspicuous consumption is a hell of a drug, and probably wider availability of foods meant that the rich had to go more all out. Like the champagne jello thing he recently covered was a way of showing how you can keep shit cool. S'why if we ever go lab-meat future then true organic natural meat will be a show of status. Read in a book (Fernand Braudel Civ and Capitalism vol 1) something about how as soon as a certain foodstuff became widely available the hoity toities didn't like it anymore. Though the stupidity goes both ways as assuming it's not apocryphal there was an account (don't remember the name) a captain of a ship wanted his men to eat sauerkraut to fend off scurvy, they didn't want to. So he started to eat it himself and make airs that it was only for the captain and other senior officers - which made his men envious and demand to get to eat sauerkraut too.

Got the name from our robot overlord, it was James Cook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_voyage_of_James_Cook#Scurvy_prevention

There's some other good ones like Townsend et al that show that peasant fare was not gruel gruel and more gruel as the old textbooks like to say. I think it's possible that in certain periods it was, but then again it's more likely the Romans just lost literature on peasant food or didn't give a shit what they ate beyond at a glance since I think Miller talked about Apicius or Cato the elder talking about peasant fare. But for cato it'd be more rich peasant. I like his quote where someone asks Cato what is the best way to make money:
>Livestock
What's the 2nd best way?
>Being very successful with crops
What's the 3rd best way?
>Moderately successful
4th?
>Not being very successful with crops
Why not money lending? Cato replies
>Why not murder?

>>529194229
Do you even play the game? Again, not a Field Battle. AI abandons the walls nearly instantly nowadays and you cant shoot through decorative buildings.

>>529195418
LME. Or Napoleon Eras maybe, though I havent tried it myself.

>>529195687
>blow up the towers and make a hole in the wall with your cannons
>shoot through the hole with crane gunners
>when there's nothing left to shoot push through with your jademanii
>if the enemy tries to fight them blow them up with your balloons
explain why this wouldn't work

This begs the question if there was a 40k Total War, how many factions absolutely hate each other and diplomacy would impossible? Nids are negotiable, maybe Orks can be hired as mercs but they'd sooner attack everyone for fun. Eldar are known manipulators. Tau would be willing but the Imperium would sooner shoot on sight. We may need to remove diplomacy altogether.

How do I use slayers?
I have the DLC but I'm very confused since I mostly focus on ranged units

>>529194879
>no shitpuke acnebreathe for nurgloom vibes
>no bloodboil screamseas for khornedark vibes
>no rapeape rape for slaanesholate vibes
>no bookblind smartcurse for tzeentcheerless vibes
>no seesight darkfuture for eldark vibes
>no crawlskin flaywhip for deldark vibes
>no soulsold puppetbot for necronihilistic vibes
>no hubbardcore meatgrind for grimperium vibes
>no london streetcore for morkbid (or gorkbid) vibes
>no smellslave marxtide for taupocalyptic vibes
>no acidmining hungerbug for tyranidire vibes
theres not enough EDGY DOOMCORE

>>529196353
You niggers are so naive. As if CA cares about doing this 100% faithfully to the setting. Dwarfs would never negotiate with Skaven or Orcs, but do you think thats implemented into the game?
The only one that might be an issue is Tyranids, thats it.
Also, what makes you think you'll play as the *whole faction*?
You'll probably play as a single commander or something far away from central authority.

>>529196841
Even nids have ambassadors

>>529196634
Which slayers? The regular kind aren't hunting calv but can fight monsters. They're fast for Dwarfs but got no shields or armor. There's also pirate slayers and higher rank slayers.

Also see https://youtu.be/JdpfnpHjGZE?si=zT4x4Caf_-YRpRo6

>>529197060
I mean all slayer units
The units you'd want to recruit as Ungrim

>>529196841
>Dwarfs would never negotiate with Skaven or Orcs, but do you think thats implemented into the game?
Like some factions starting at war, Arkham not being able to chat up Settra, etc.

>>529196680
The 4 types of grimdark:
>body horror, where your body is but a tool of another
>thought horror, where your mind is no longer yours
>cosmic horror, where you become aware of your insignificance
>being british, the worst fate of all

>>529197309
Those European Japanese people have it rough.

>>529197309
I'm British and it isn't that terrible.

>>529163670
lol
lmao

>>529197216
>Arkham not being able to chat up Settra,
DLC team once being superior to the main one lmao

>>529197060
Slayers are great, fuck off.
>>529197210
They're meant as your response to cavs and/or SEM trying to walk past your line to get into your guns/canons. If you have a lord that buffs them, then they can hold down your flank for a surprisingly long time; they don't do too well against infantry.

>>529197216
>>529197721
How would a Gotham asylum even contact the King of Kings?

>>529197210
slayers and giant slayers are both flanking/fast responders, giant slayers are a little better at fighting monsters running through/around your line and slayers are better at flanking infantry

doom slayers are a part of your frontline, using your whirling axes is a huge part of why you have them and they can work by themselves

slayer pirates are a bonus stacking unit, they have no anti bonus but they can shoot and have fairly high damage for their shot. because they are ranged units they benefit from dwarven engineers boosting their speed and with 2-3 engineers in the army and the various speed upgrades they reach 70 speed to run around and shoot while just dogpiling anything fast enough to catch them in melee

>>529196965
Had, the zoats are dead

>>529197862
Broo'h Tswaien is a Llamian vampire

the dark elves are far too murderous

GAY GAY HOMOSEXUAL GAY GAY

On a more serious note,
what a perfect and ideal final objective for this campaign~
And I thought getting Landmark as Azhag was cool as fuck.

>>529199241
I think you mistook /twg/ for a porn search bar for a second there

>>529155496
Really good changes, and I am anticipating their inclusion in Med 2 Remastered(seems an obvious release at this point, no reason not to do it) but IDK how to feel about Counter March being removed. Counter March is historical afaik, even if janky. Seems like a capitulation to the jank rather than trying to make it better.

The Flood Empire from right before the Forerunners activated the array for the first time invade every Total War game at the same time, along with 40k
Who wins

>>529201572
Well, it's clear they deem it like it hurts their performance, compared to other ranged units, but there is a toggle that enable/disable new changes, maybe it affect march too.

The conquest of new lands has begun. I'm a little worried about these guys though...

>>529202175
They look like Jade Vampires.

>>529202175
Just smash their dirty ghost pussies with Khopesh. Prove Bone superiority.

>>529083692
I just want Medieval 2 Remastered. Would solve my gaming needs until I am ready to have an AARP membership.

40k generals and sissies, tell me
Were there any more signs in the last months that this exists?
I feel like we are just going through mass delusion

What the fuck is going on? I’m trying to play a campaign for the past 2 days and I must be at over 10 crashes already. What did they fuck up last update?

>>529202867
People do not believe in what is likely to be true...
People believe in what they want to be true.

>>529174905
Honestly I think you could do Medieval 3 in two games if you wanted to do a combined map(which they should). One game would be Europe and the Levant, probably ending in the Cacauses and Iraq. So basically the Medieval 2 world map. Then another game would cover Central Asia, Iran, and East Asia. India would not be in the base game(it wouldn't even be able to be conquered I imagined, just grayed out) but would be added as a DLC expansion like Athel Loren was to expand the map. Possibly alongside Southeast Asia more generally.

The real hot take is that the eastern game should release first and it should be a Mongol Total War oriented game about the Rise of Genghis Khan. Either way point is I think it could be two games. I would not include Americas, IMO the length of time the original Med 2 took place over probably would/could not be replicated: A lot of historical autists would be in a tizzy over the solutions it took like doing 2 years per turn but aging characters as if it was 2 turns per year(so 8 years pass for every 1 year of life). Plus the scope would just be big, Mongol TW allows it to be focussed on the 13th and 14th centuries, so you get your knights in shining armor, horse archers, early gunpowder kino but it doesn't go too early to like Anglo Saxons or too late to floppy hats(even if this is sexy). That can be covered by a Pike and Shot TW.

>>529202867
There's never been evidence other than "I want it so its happening"
This goes for every future Total War title at the moment, Warhammer Fantasy being leaked was the odd one out

>>529203079
I hope that some autistic retard blow a bomb in horsham if 40k never existed and CA never shut it down despite being the number one belief in the community

>>529202867
Valrak with abnormally reliable leaks from GW said that his GW sources claim that TW WH40k is in development. We have to wait for the end of the year for CA to show their cards.

>>529202867
The speculation mostly hinges on 2 things
CA saying they would "love to do it" in some article way back.
The fact that Hyenas fucked them HARD, leading to over 200 getting laid off (pic). Thus they need profit, and 40k would absolutely be profitable, unless it is a complete Rome 2 launch disaster.

However, it is interesting to note that on the rare occasions they've talked about these future games, they've used the word fantasy and history.
Now, I could be reading too much into this, and its possible "fantasy" is just a term for "not history".
And it could ALSO be that they're talking DLC, not full games, when referring to fantasy in these posts.
But they use words like games and titles, which seem to suggest full games.

https://x.com/CAGames/status/1843315540431184202
>Our return to the survival-horror genre alongside in-development titles across Fantasy and Historical @totalwar marks a new chapter for all of us at CA
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war/blogs/73
>whether you’re a fantasy or history fan, there will be plenty to enjoy!

>inb4 its Age of Sigmar

>>529202867
The only unreleased game we know for sure was being worked on was a "tentpole historical title" by the UK studio that was mentioned in a job advertisement. That was a few years ago now so it was either scrapped, is close to reveal by now or going through development hell.

>>529203618
Age of Sigmar would be the final nail in their coffin, it would be pharaoh tier flop

>>529203618
Ooops, should have been more clear with the quote
>Taking place in early December, this show will unveil the new games that you can expect to play in the near and distant future, as well as introduce you to the development teams making them. We’ll have more details to share as we approach the end of the year, but whether you’re a fantasy or history fan, there will be plenty to enjoy!
>Alongside all this activity will be more Total War: WARHAMMER III content.
Which seems to suggest there is some fantasy game that is NOT warhammer. But we'll see.

>>529202867
Honestly there are definitely times where I feel the same, like are we just going through mass psychosis with how we talk about how 40K is surely definitely a thing. Still, I believe that it is.

>>529203618
The fact that hyenas was a colossal, bankrupcy-tier fuck up strengthens 40k position because
A) They need a safe choice
B) They need it to be milked like fantasy was

Medieval 3 is a safe choice but the milking potential is very meh without dabbling into some ahistorical semi-fantasy shit. It would perform roughly the same as 3k dlcs, which were not good.
WW1 is not a safe choice even if it could be milked
Empire 2 is also not a safe choice since

Of course, they could just be making fucking age of sigmar and CA goes bankrupt in 5 years

>>529204243
I wonder what happened to 3K(not)2

Where was Grimnir when our warriors were dying? Where was Valaya when our children were sickened?

>>529204419
Down the toilet alongside med3 when Hyenas imploded the company

>>529202398
it worked

>>529202867
It. Will. Not. Happen

>implying it isnt LotR

>>529204243
Actually the only other contender alongside 40k would be LOTR, but I can't imagine the tolkien family giving away with the loicense for cheap right now after the immense fuck up of rings of power.

>>529204523
Right. I guess along with Hundred Years War game and Zulu-War game

>>529204740
>Zulu-War game
The Napoleon mod for that was actually pretty neat ngl

What's the most plain, boring, unexciting unit in the game - Chaos marauders or high elf archers?

>>529204898
Your favorite unit

>>529204898
Levy Freemen.

>>529204898
Any Empire unit.

>>529196634
use them like empire knights basically

will Bulgarians be the ones to finally fix Bretonnia?

>>529206576
>Bretonnia
Eat shit pierre, Lizardmen need their rework.

Imagine starting a plague in Shang Yang and it eventually reaches Naggarond.

>>529206576
They will only make Chaos content to celebrate their Tvrkic heritage. Crom soon.

what

>>529204898
the entirety of the norsca roster

>>529181247

>>529181247
That's... actually sad.
Also not far off of End Times, except it was a nameless packmaster that did Gobbla in. After Skarsnik killed him, he just went into a depressive spiral and GW forgot about him.

why don't skullcrushers of khorne get a bonus but horse riders do?

Bretonnia is the hidden confectionary sweet amidst Warhammer 3.

anyone with a sweet tooth would thoroughly enjoy a Bretonnian campaign

Hey, /twg/. I am looking to get back into Total War after a several years of doing other stuff. I really like ancient and medieval Europe based settings. I really like Atilla, Rome and Shogun 2. Which more recent games or total conversions can I try that are recent and feature some nice variety? I'd rather not play Warhammer or the Chinese setting.

>>529207446
>Zhao Ming started the plague after voring one of Ghorst's fell bats and then coofing on a passing merchant caravan
time for quarantine lmao

>>529215575
Original Rome got a remaster a while ago