Z Punch Edition

Latest:
Project Multi is now known as Gekishin Squadra.
XV2 Daima DLC just dropped.
Shallot DLC released for Sparking! ZERO

Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot - Daima DLC (Only pre-order bonus as of now)
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>Useful links:
rentry.org/dft79

XV2 news:
>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA
>Upcoming character: SS3 Vegeta
>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.

SDBH News/Resources:
>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24
>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/
>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklist

DBSDV news:
>SDV3 leaked: More Frieza saga, SS3 Goku (Mini-Daima), and Gomah as notable GDRs and Giants returning as an Action Skill
>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)
>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost
>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills
>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card
>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges
>Avatars can also equip accessories and level up a skill tree
>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar

>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:
steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21
DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefile
If you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.

Kakarot:
>Daima DLC Part 1 will release on July 17th 2025
>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026

DB The Breakers:
>Season 8 launched with Golden Frieza Raider
>Ultra Instinct Goku transphere

>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry here
http://xenoverse.booru.org/

Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)
Thank you

LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>529239496

I love Dragon Ball GT Final Bout.
Pure, unfiltered soul.

>>529668348
that dub was pure undistilled gold
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME SOME PLEASURE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6HqOUALPRs

Super Saiyan 4 is the best form because it always has a tail, one to pull and squeeze and rub, it can give limitless monkey pleasure

>>529664862
Daima costume for Goku Z-End that let him go as far as SS4 (maybe blocking SS2 since they are autistic about Freeza being the only one who can transform more than three tiems?) and Daima "costume" for Vegeta Z-End (which is just his normal armor) that lets him go up to SS3, easiest shit ever

It feels like the missed opportunity of a lifetime that Toriyama didn't remember to use the original SSJ4 design. He could've used his dying breath to unify the fandom forever, bring everyone together, and break the internet–but instead he left us on another polarizing retread that inspires further division. There are truly few curses greater than for the author of one of your favorite franchises to be out of touch and burdened with a terrible memory.

>>529627046
>Are db fans even known for anything besides tfs tier humor and making super saiyan 10 la esencia? No way they'd manage to get a team together for that, especially since bamco doesn't support modding
>Still though, a man can dream
You can stereotype any fandom like this. Sonic fans are autistic manbaby furries obsessed with their fursonas. They still managed to pull something good. There are bad actors in the community and good ones. I think the Dragon Ball fandom could make a decent video game.
Since the game in question is DB Fusions, wouldn't essencia tier content be a good thing? This game sells based upon how novel and cool the new additions are.
>Ayy wassup Sloplays here today we are going to be looking at the brand new Goku and Freeza fusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWrG_I3mis

Bamcos' Summer Showcase starts in a couple of minutes.

I'm hoping for a release date on Squadra. Maybe if we're lucky a released today situation.

>>529668637
>that dub was pure undistilled gold
Baby's voice is so hilariously deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf9jzu-JFKU

>>529677784
i don't expect much from DBZ at this event. i would be blown away if Sparking Zero showed off a new stage or if they revealed some characters for Gekishin that interest me. far more than that though, i NEED All's Justice to look incredible. show me that the My Hero Ultra Rumble money upped your game! lol

xv3 teaser
very unlikely but we're never losing hope

Daima DLC news lets go

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Daima DLC news lets go

We hate SHITlagir here

>>529657239
Friendly reminder SS isn't 50 times stronger than base it's 200 times instead, people misinterpret Toriyama's message. He said 50 (then corrects to 10) times stronger than Goku's power up to that point of the story, and that was Kaioken x20. Base x10 wouldn't work as SS obviously since Goku already had KKx20 and jobbed to Freeza

>>529685679
Please don't bring that autistic ass debate into the new thread. Delete this.

>>529685679
>Misinterpreting quotes
Toriyama basically said he's not good with numbers in that quote.

>>529685679
I checked DBZ Kakarot because I knew they mentioned the gold SS multipliers but actually they say SS2 is SSx2 and SS3 is SS2x4 without ever saying SS is 50 times stronger than base, so... huuuuh Idk I guess it could be
I wonder if Daima entries will mention SS4 having the power of Ozaru and SS at same time

>"a world unlike Earth!"
>shows one of the dinosaurs that are all over Earth in the base game
Great DLC Kakarot
Just give us SS4 already

The DLC didn't look too bad.
At least Shin will be useful for once.

GIMME SPARKING! ZERO DLC3 ALREADY DADDY WANTS TO GO BANANAS

>>529689662
the fact all of these have a narrator tells me they won't show a simple teaser so don't expect anything lol

>>529689662
console player?
https://youtu.be/egZ76_orV1s?si=6hUsUUD9O9QYX3bR
i ask because this probably shits on whatever Bamco are gonna put in the game and it's already out.

>goo-goo-gaa-gaa
yikes with this shit for literal babies

>>529690134
No, I have a trillion mods already, and I want the official one, which I'm sure it will be better than this. Even if it's not, it will have stuff people can use to make new and improved versions AND will let everyone enjoy and use SS4 regardless of platform plus online.

sparking zero is dead lol

>it's done
FUCK

>>529690548
>which I'm sure it will be better than this
absolutely no shot. i don't know if there's a single Ultimate in Sparking Zero that looks as good as an average DBL Legendary Finish.

>>529690873
I think they all have the potential to be good, but they have awful pacing and easing

>>529680105
the All's Justice reveal was so goddamn good, bros. the Ultra Rumble money has in fact paid off.

>>529691117
that's a frigid take. i don't like short Ultimates. i want my opponent trapped in a movie-quality cutscene of me kicking their fucking ass and vaporizing them for 2 consecutive minutes. every Ultimate in Sparking Zero should unironically have a "Legendary Finish" variant that's triggered when it's going to kill.

>>529692004
This. It's a DB simulator not real time game like XV2. If people want short ultimates go play that.

>>529669771
stop saying this you weirdo

Heroes... why did you have to leave us without Universe 6 monkey...? ;-;

>>529690873
Many of DBL LF are shit for a real game where you can spam it, that's why they are FINISHERS, idiot. That long ass animation is wonderful but anyone who wants it in SZ is a retard

Heroes... why did you have to leave us without Universe 6 monkey...? ;-;

>>529693808
>>529694038
I saw that.

>>529694008
if you read like three posts beneath the one you replied to >>529692004, i specified that every Ultimate should have an LF variant if its going to kill the character. ergo, it wouldn't show up when you're spamming Ults.

>>529694038
It makes the least sense out of any Saiyan to give SS4 to the Universe 6 shitters.

>>529694197
That's very nice but what you posted was a mod where the long as fuck animation is just the normal ultimate you will see multiples times every time you use the character

>>529696442
yeah, with regards to the mod animation, you're right.

The ultimate in that mod isn't even that much longer than all the other "kamehameha with cutscene" ultimates already in SZ

>>529696442
yeah, with regards to the mod animation, you're right. i still think the fact it's longer is cool though.

>>529685679
That would be one hell of a multiplier man, it would multiply four times the ones from that pic making SS3 a base x1600 and SSG more than base x128,000

Multiverse's finally over. Goku's dead.

>>529703175
Nice

>>529703175
was weird how they were propping him up

>>529694649
This is Super Dragon Ball Heroes, bitch! We clown in this motherfucker! Better take your sensitive ass back to Daima!

>>529702523
seriously
>1 pixel = base form's powerlevel
Powerlevels are such a bullshit

>>529705627
Wouldn't Four be 16,000? Shouldn't it be the Super Saiyan 3 amp multiplied by the Oozaru amp?

>>529704683
Punchable face.

>>529703175
DBM works in swerves, random pages will end in a cliffhanger like the last page of a chapter from a regular manga. Goku may suddenly recover from it just like he suddenly got a hole on his chest. Maybe he'll pull a Bra and have a senzu...

>>529703175
>yfw the story goes back on hiatus next week for another filler backstory with hideous art

>>529703175
not the heart, and xxi said he might actually lose to goku, so he's losing, basic storytelling flags

>all of this is brand new digitally animated footage created for a GPS add
Jesus Christ. This franchise could actually still look like Z if Shueisha and Toei gave a shit. What a blackpill.

>>529707478
I have said for a long time it is very possible for digital animation to look just like physical. They are choosing not to do it.

>>529706236
That if you understand Golden Ozaru as the Ozaru form of a SS3 and not just basic SS. And GT Perfect Files confirm GT Vegeta didn't have SS3 (granted it was before the final arc where he goes Golden Ozaru but still)
Anyway it's fucking absurd, even using SS feels retarded given the magnitudes of their full power, it's not even 0.1% of their true strength

>>529705627
where are these multipliers from? I remember ss1 being like x50, not x200

>>529709112
200 is something someone made up as a misunderstanding of a Toriyama quote.

>>529709359
Toriyama is very good at saying and writing things that cause weird misunderstandings.

>>529709112
Follow the reply chain

>>529703175
>original version had XXI hypnotise goku into saying he lost like he did against cell
>now goku randomly sprouts a hole in his torso
>right where piccolo hit him with the special beam cannon in the saiyan saga
...i see right through your shit, salagir

>>529709359
Idk man 200 makes more sense than 50

>>529717254
50 is already discarded by Toriyama himself

Toriyama said he was picturing 10x when he was writing and drawing the story but later accepted that 50x made much more sense. 50x is what official media uses for most material going forward.

>>529718883
He said the opposite about the 50x boost, said it was initially considered 50 then he said lol nope
Also no media ever uses the 50 multiplier

>>529703175
im glad this is at the start, imagine if this shit was the fucking last page and we go into the 2 shitty specials format we go

>>529707685
It would be super expensive just for one episode, let alone a full Cour.

>>529719169
>He said the opposite about the 50x boost, said it was initially considered 50 then he said lol nope
Can you point to the official statement that uses that?
>Also no media ever uses the 50 multiplier
Official guidebooks are official media. Here is one picture from an official guidebook right here >>529709359

>>529715825
Y'know, I did think the hole in his chest is just like the one he got against Raditz, but I didn't make the connection with the original version where Goku was hypnotised...

Does that mean XXI's wish somehow makes Goku be capable of reliving the wounds he got in previous battles? Or maybe he's just hipnotised into thinking he got that wound?

>>529720947
>Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration. My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point
He mentions the 50 boost then discards it for a 10 one.

>guide
That's the source, anon. What media uses this info that came originally from the guide to claim SS is 50 times stronger? You said official media uses it for most material going forward but there are no instances of this, just the original statement and then Tori saying it's wrong

Between these forms which have the most realistic chance of being an awokening in xenoverse 12 someday for CACs

Legendary super saiyan , just another hair color for hte saiyans
Power awokening Piccolo's first new transformation basically potential unleashed for namikians
Turn Orange for Namkikian CACs but dont gain the height or defined face like Piccolo does
Super saiyan Rose for all saiyans
Ultra Supervillain mode for all races

also breakers is dead and legends is ending along with super divers, those will be announced this month with Toyotaro's new manga no word on wither or not it's dragonball coded or not only that Toriyama's old editor issuperviving that little fucker, RIP toyotaro that dude was a saage a pasty burger boi like Toyotaro is going to be groomed from the inside out to be Toriyama's clone to the point he may start laughing like he once did.

I'm reading Tuffle Quest, and when the Tuffle twins visit Baba, she calls them both "Wild Cards". The story already referenced Persona at the end of chapters by saying a social link has leveled up, but this one happens during a story, and Kato even put this link to play during the interaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM-U1SLJAN4

So them both being called wild cards, makes me wonder if the whole Tuffle twins thing is based on Persona 3's protagonists, since typically in fanfics, if both of them are part of the story, they're twins.

I do find a little funny both of them are called that though, since Mapple is the protagonist and subtly snowballing the direction the story is taking, while Acer hasn't been part of the decision making so far, nor has he really done anything (Granted, it's only 10 chapters in).

>>529703175
why do they always have elongated skulls?

>>529723615
I may be wrong, but isn't the guide that has the picture with the 50x multiplier, the same one where that quote came from?

>>529705627
Reminder that if Adult GT Goku used any god forms, he'd be stupid strong thanks to his SS3-tier base.

https://youtu.be/Vn1GRZnzbHQ
Here's your remake bro

>>529725950
>he'd be stupid strong thanks to his SS3-tier base
DBS Goku and Vegeta can one-shot SS3 Gotenks in base. This is not even a hypothetical, not some theoretical matchup, not relying on any speculative information, Copy Vegeta does this outright.

>>529726214
That's a steep looking paycheck lol

>>529723930
If it's typical of most Quests, sounds like a result players having more control over one character rather than another. Could be setup for something though.

>>529725950
>>529726354
So Super Goku is stupidly stronger than GT Goku

>>529727892
Thing is, while naturally Mapple affects things related to choices, Acer hasn't (so far) messed with things. He also doesn't interact with others that much, to the point that when Mapple teased him over his crush on Chichi in the 21st tournament, I found it rather sudden, since he hadn't really interacted with Chichi before (Nor did he buy a gift for her him and Mapple were shopping). He usually follows Mapple's directions or briefly protests in comedic moments. So far I think he's dull because of how little presence and personality he has.

Which's honestly weird when thinking about it. Mapple could easily be a character who everyone votes for specific choices, but Acer could be used by Kato to nudge things in a specific direction with no influence from voting, that could be used to create disagreements between Acer and Mapple whenever those two want to take things in different directions...

Although this is early in the story, and as the chapters go there are little improvements in dialogue and events, so Acer might start dull but eventually improve.

>>529723686
>Legendary super saiyan , just another hair color for hte saiyans
It'd also need bigger muscles, which could mess with the appearance of the CaCs, would they do that for female characters too?

>Power awokening Piccolo's first new transformation basically potential unleashed for namikians
Just a skin color change, and another in Piccolo's arms, so possibly.

>Turn Orange for Namkikian CACs but dont gain the height or defined face like Piccolo does
That's the same-ish problem as LSS, form kinda needs to get bigger, even if not Piccolo big.

>Super saiyan Rose for all saiyans
I get the feeling they want to keep that form exclusive to Black... Then again Beast isn't exclusive to Gohan so who knows...

>Ultra Supervillain mode for all races
If they do that it'll be added at the end of Future Saga.

>and legends is ending
Really?

>with Toyotaro's new manga no word on wither or not it's dragonball coded or not only that Toriyama's old editor issuperviving that little fucker
I think the whole wording around "Toyotaro is working on a new manga" was awkwardly said, apparently it wasn't supposed to mean he's working on a new manga. Torishima is unlikely to be involved with him too, he prefers new talent, and I think he hasn't worked at Jump for years too.

Just got to 25k points using mostly my male saiyan female majin!

>>529725350
No, that's from the seventh(?) Daizenshuu the quote came from the Super Exciting Guide, years later

>>529720584
they're good for the money, i don't wanna hear that excuse. lol

>>529731335
>It'd also need bigger muscles, which could mess with the appearance of the CaCs, would they do that for female characters too?
>sameish problem for Orange Piccolo
I would posit that this is not true, because there's already a precedent for giving players Blue Evolution without making the player jacked.

>>529732585
I had forgotten about that. But even so, while Blue Evolution beefs up the characters, it's not on the same level as LSS and Orange, which make Broly/Piccolo almost two times bigger.

>>529732827
I don't see Dimps giving enough of a fuck to bother. That would be very uncharacteristic of their support of Xenoverse 2 over the last decade. You could say the same thing about how integral hairstyle changes are to transforming but they haven't bothered adding that feature either. Always bet on Dimps doing the least and you'll never be disappointed. lol

>>529723615
>then discards it for a 10 one.
No, he doesn't, it's still a 10 times boosts, he's just talking about how it felt like as he depicted it and it would mean 10 times over the Kaioken times 20.

>>529733453
Fair enough, was considering they wouldn't bother since it'd mean they would need to mess with models, but it's more fitting for them to add them while only changing colors.

>>529736264
>still a 50 times boost*
My bad

>>529733453
>>529736462
The thing is XV2 has went through 3 different teams developing it over it's lifespan and all 3 went in clearly different direction. Who knows what a 4th team would do

The Kakarot Daima DLC looks great, reminds me of Sandland.

>>529736850
Arinsu's tits looked even bigger than in the show. Shame for no jiggle physics tho.

>>529736850
>>529737248
Not flying and having fast travel points is either gonna be super fun or frustrating.
Looks like they expended on the ground combat system. Honestly this looks more ambitious than I expected.

You guys could have linked the trailer if you were gonna talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1UsmENyToE

>>529737708
I really like Goku's nyoibo combos.
Also damn, those are big arenas, I'm starting to think we're really gonna get a DB Musou.

>>529736618
Unfortunately if I have a sample size of 3 indicating we aren't getting meaningful QoL features, I'm gonna feel compelled to bet that our 4th sample won't include any meaningful QoL features either.

>>529738215
hey! they added... colorable versions of the roster-inspired costumes...... that you pay for with real world currency.........

>>529738215
One of the team added the level up guy, the haircut guy and Infinite History tho.

>>529738215
>>529738992
And somewhat customisable mentors.

>>529691697
>3-man tag mechanic
>tag combos
>air juggles look crazy
IT'S FUCKING LIT! THIS IS EXACTLY THE DIRECTION I WANTED THEM TO GO!

>>529680105
>i don't expect much from DBZ at this event.
The Kakarot stuff was good

>>529738992
the level up guy and haircut guy are noteworthy, i'll acknowledge those. Infinite History and playing Dress Up with my sensei aren't doing much for me though.

>>529740018
i guess, if you like Daima and Kakarot. i've never really cared for it. 99% of the material it covers is from last century. i'd have preferred a DBS CC2 game i think DBS needed the CC2 re-animating and re-choregraphing treatment signficantly more than anything from the 1900's.

>>529740897
>big Kale with monster teeth
muh dick

>>529723930
>So them both being called wild cards, makes me wonder if the whole Tuffle twins thing is based on Persona 3's protagonists, since typically in fanfics, if both of them are part of the story, they're twins.
She does tend to like playing around with certain references. Sometimes they're fairly blunt (almost "Slumpian" in a way, like how Toriyama would just throw in references to shit he liked at the time for sake of a gag), sometimes they're very layered and reworked quite a bit better.

>>529727892
>>529730096
It takes a while for that to really get some good payoff, though even then we see much more from Maple's POV. By the time of the change over to the kids though things are changed up pretty significantly, in part because all three get "playable" status, so there's more balance in perspective.

Watching a subsect of Twitter seethe with their whole heart because they're not getting another blue fusion for the anniversary event is unreal. These niggas really are dying to buy gacha tickets to pull for their 23rd blue Vegetto. I can't fucking believe it. lol

>>529741623
>By the time of the change over to the kids though things are changed up pretty significantly, in part because all three get "playable" status, so there's more balance in perspective.
That's a bit of a surprise, rare that a Quest has multiple QMCs. But I guess that's one way to spread out the "protagonistness" of such a thing.

This looks great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDmGaUI8-c
Bulma is so cute

Thinking about it now. SS3 Gotenks has a shot at beating SS4 Daima Goku.
SS1 Gotenks (pre time chamber) and SS3 Goku are rivals in power. Post training Gotenks was stronger in base than SS1 pre training Gotenks.

How do you rate the leak?

>>529741623
>even then we see much more from Maple's POV
Yeah that's fair, I just find it funny he was called a wild card too, when he hasn't done anything to really change things up so far.

>By the time of the change over to the kids though things are changed up pretty significantly, in part because all three get "playable" status, so there's more balance in perspective.
Wait all three kids, or a kid/Mapple/Acer?

>>529751983
>DB centric Direct out of nowhere
Yeah I'm not believing it.

>>529755814
I don't believe it either, I'm just asking how you'd rate it if it happened.

>>529755950
DB Exclusive is always good and it'd already make Switch 2 stand out.

>Quest with twin protags
>No twincest
DB fans deserve less.

>>529756018
How long has it been since there was a DB exclusive?

>>529756086
Monkeyfucking is hotter though
Especially when it's Goku

stop lusting after goku, you weird tail-puller

>>529756642
Monkey twincest is best.

Pull monkey tail.

>>529756875
>>529757024

We need more incest in Dragon Ball.

>>529703175
IMO This is all a dark illusion in Goku's head, XXI is making him relive when Piccolo Makankoppotamus'd him through the chest.

>>529756378
Depends if we count Fusion World.

>>529689292
I'm a bit disappointed by the fish and dinosaur just being recolors but the rest looked pretty good to me.
>>529689662
SSJ4 Goku is gonna be fun.
>>529704683
Cute face

>>529703175
I don't think Goku would be KO'd like that just by relieving the pain of a fatal wound. Goku's made of pretty stern stuff.
>>529757681
Wasn't Fusion World on both mobile and PC?

>>529703175
>Goku's dead.
Goku dies like a bitch all the time in Multiverse, to the point it gets weird.

>>529755773
>Mapple and Acer train with Baba
>They both learn the exact same powers
Fucking seriously? There were 6 different powers and a poll to decide which 3 they would get, and this could easily be used to set them apart power-wise, but they were given the same things... Not even "They both share one power and have one exclusive". Been feeling Acer is an afterthought and this doesn't help.

>>529757523
If this is an illusion then XXI is a retard

>Use the illusion
>Then teleport him to the other dimension
Instant win.

>>529758142
It's a wonder main Goku avoided it for 17 years.

>>529758514
>Been feeling Acer is an afterthought and this doesn't help.
Wow, the MALE twin is an afterthought in something written by an allegedly female writer? Who would have thought?

>>529758709
Would be neat if Goku actually has a counter against the dimension trick.
But I doubt it is how it will go.
>It's a wonder main Goku avoided it for 17 years.
Yeah but I'd say it's mostly because he was utterly irrelevant and offscreen until now.

Well one thing's certain through we already knew it, the daima DLC will have details about the characters that weren't shown in the anime, think they'll go into detail about Glorio's backstory that was entirely skipped over in the anime, what exactly Neva did to awaken the ability for Goku to go super saiyan 4 or Panzy's mother or the majin that was too weak to best Ariasu in combat?

>>529759054
If it goes like the Sandland game compared to the anime? Expect crazy lore and background drop.
I'm still shocked at all the shit there's in the Sandland game compared to the anime. There's an entire side plot that relate to the 'First Human Extermination' by Satan's Great Grandfather with God's approval, which a bunch of lore that ONLY existed in a Toriyama interview from 2023.
Same interview said that as an adult, Beelzebub would have the power to destroy the world like his dad and that 'by now', he imagined Beelzebub had finished his education and mostly spent his time following his whims and helping out people at the demon village while being highly respected.
It also said God didn't create humans, The Devil did and he also created demons (God gets along with them and give permission for the First Great Human Extermination because the 'lost empire' that only ever get mentioned in the game and who's ruins you find was just that evil).

the DLC only covers the first 8 episodes of Daima
it's a 20 episode series, how rushed is the 2nd DLC gonna be if it has to cover the whole thing? world 3 has a map, I doubt world 2 will there's nothing there but the old namek, a seemingly endless sea and planatoids that house giant people and another unseen one that houses people even more massive than those giants, and then there's world 1, all that's there is a city and desert outskirts

>>529760196
God, it'd be so cool if the DLC actually showed us the Gigath.
I assume they'll expend on the giant fights from the 23rd DLC since they're already expending on the ground combat AND the horde combat from the ROF / Bardock DLCs.

>>529759027
>Would be neat if Goku actually has a counter against the dimension trick.
Goku already broke out, it's just a "power up and you're out" kind of thing.

>Yeah but I'd say it's mostly because he was utterly irrelevant and offscreen until now.
Yeah, his most major fights were against Uub and Vegeta, and Uub absolutely trounced him with Maximum Kaioken, Uub only lost because Maximum Kaioken is so shit that the damage it caused to himself was even worse.

At least Goku did win against Vegeta.

>>529759054
>>529759861
I kinda went on a rant there but it's really crazy how much more lore there is in the game compared to the anime. If Daima's the same, we're gonna eat good.
>>529760196
A bigger issue would be that flying is viable in the second and first demon worlds so it kinda kills the map design they seem to be going for with the third demon world.

>>529760635
>Goku already broke out, it's just a "power up and you're out" kind of thing.
Yeah but I mean an actual trick that make it irrelevant, like he did against Hit before Hit just powered up his timeskip.
>Maximum Kaioken
While Kaioken being THE Uub power up make sense, especially if you give him the Buu 'weird body' perk, the idea of a 'Maximum Kaioken' is kinda dumb. Especially since honestly Goku would just copy it on the spot if it was THAT good.

when the colored final chapters of broly vs gohan and gohan vs goku come out I want to see it, Gohan's controlled transformation into Beast was cool as hell to me and Broly transforming while maintaining control excited me alot, man is it too much to ask for these things to be animated? They don't even have to go into Moro and Granola recaps or mention Freiza at all I'm sure people would love watching a post script epilogue OVA, do they still make those?

>>529751983
They are never making an exclusive DB game
too much money is lost

>>529760863
>Yeah but I mean an actual trick that make it irrelevant, like he did against Hit before Hit just powered up his timeskip.
Ah I see. Honestly though the dimensional teleportation is too overpowered even with the easy escape it has. XXI when using it against Vegetto needed to say a few words to use it, now against Goku he didn't even bother... Range, tells, anything, it can just teleport someone away like that.

>>529760863
>While Kaioken being THE Uub power up make sense, especially if you give him the Buu 'weird body' perk, the idea of a 'Maximum Kaioken' is kinda dumb. Especially since honestly Goku would just copy it on the spot if it was THAT good.
I assume it's that powerful more so because Uub's base power is stronger (Goku needed to go SS1 against him), if Goku used it, it could maybe be on SS2's level, and even if it was on SS3's level, it'd be just a much worse option.

>>529761389
It wouldn't lose them any money tho since they'd be getting paid directly by Nintendo to let them make a game. How the game sells means nothing for them.
>>529761103
They could make it a youtube short and people would watch.

>>529761645
>I assume it's that powerful more so because Uub's base power is stronger
That's dumb, Uub is Goku's student, at best their base forms should be equal.
>Honestly though the dimensional teleportation is too overpowered even with the easy escape it has
It was a decent one off trick but now they have to forever justify why XXI doesn't just use it in any situation where his opponent wouldn't have the time to bust out before losing.

>>529761719
>It wouldn't lose them any money tho since they'd be getting paid directly by Nintendo to let them make a game. How the game sells means nothing for them.
Maybe if its from a studio not related to Bandai.
Bandai won't want spike dimps etc to waste time into exclusive

>>529761915
If it's an exclusive, it would logically be from a studio Nintendo chose.

>>529758024
>Wasn't Fusion World on both mobile and PC?
Wiki tells me it's only on Windows, so not sure.

>>529762459
Why would they let their studio handle an anime, an ip they don't even own, than their own IP which can sell as much or more and they have 100% of revenue and rights and everything? especially since games take a long ass time to make now.
Nintendo philosophy is to create and grow their own IP. they're not sony or xbox.

>>529762980
>Why would they let their studio handle a comic book, an ip they don't even own, than their own IP which can sell as much or more and they have 100% of revenue and rights and everything? especially since games take a long ass time to make now.

>>529763249
>Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order is a 2019 action role-playing video game developed by Koei Tecmo's Team Ninja

>>529762980
Because DB is a big IP with historical ties to the Nintendo brand and would thus make a great exclusive for their new console?
>Nintendo philosophy is to create and grow their own IP. they're not sony or xbox.
Goku was literally a SNES ambassador.

>>529763340
it's not a "their studio", it's a "a studio nintendo chose"

They're so cute.

>>529763358
You guys are delusional, the possibility of it is close to nil. That's my opinion.

>>529763625
It's probably unlikely but not for the reasons you stated.

>>529762980
It could happen one of two ways:
1: Nintendo decided to have a DB exclusive for their console so they went to the IP holder and went 'Hey, we want a game for our console using your IP, it'll be made by that studio, here's the money'.
2: A studio came to Nintendo and went 'Here's a pitch for a DB exclusive for your console, you interested?' and Nintendo went 'Yes, here's the money', at which point either nintendo or the studio went to the IP holder and went 'We want to make a game using your IP, here's the money'.

>>529751983
Fake and gay

>>529763526
We need more DB cuteness

>>529763625
of course it's unlikely, but similar things have happened before. Really it's only unlikely until it happens

>Legacy of Goku trilogy comes to the Switch 2.
>New game gets announced
>Super Legacy of Goku.
I want to believe.

i'd still rather have fusions 2

>>529763625
I don't think there's any new games in development but dragon ball has like 20 nintendo exclusives already, the last one from 2017, I don't get why you think it would be such a crazy thing

>>529764657
>20 nintendo exclusives

Nintendo Exclusives

These titles were exclusive to Nintendo consoles (never on PlayStation/Xbox/PC):

Dragon Ball: Revenge of King Piccolo (Wii)
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Dragon Ball: Origins & Origins 2 (Nintendo DS)
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Dragon Ball Z: Extreme Butōden (Nintendo 3DS)
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Dragon Ball Fusions (3DS)
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Super Dragon Ball Z (PS2 originally, not Nintendo—incorrectly grouped; skip)

Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission —While also on PC, it's console-exclusive to Switch
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Nintendo exclusives count: 5 titles
Sony (PlayStation) Exclusives

PlayStation console-only games:

Dragon Ball Z: The Legacy of Goku, II, Ultimate Battle 22, Budokai & Budokai 2, Budokai 3, Super Butōden series, GT: Final Bout, PSP Shin Budokai entries, etc.

Notable exclusives include: GT: Final Bout (PS1)
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Given the extensive list, at least 8 distinct PlayStation-exclusive releases appear (counting GB/GBA overlaps but focusing on PS console exclusives).
Xbox Exclusives

Few Dragon Ball games were Xbox-only:

Dragon Ball Z for Kinect (Xbox 360) is the lone pure Xbox exclusive
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Xbox exclusives count: 1 title

>>529764846
What the fuck is this post? You are listing Legacy of Goku as sony when the 3 games are nintendo exclusive, and ignoring a lot of games like Advance Adventure and GT Transformations for the GBA and every single NES and SNES game

>>529764846
Your Supersonic Warriors and Supersonic Warriors 2?

>>529726214
Nobody's talking about this? Damn.

>>529764846
Thanks Chat-GPT, now repeat all this in /dbs/fag "chadspeak".

>>529770575
People have talked about it on twitter and the original was brought up here >>529747579

>>529751983
Is this your first time seeing a Nintendo-related /v/agina hoax?

>>529771040
As said before, I'm not saying it's real, I'm asking how good you think that line up would be.

>>529771316
Really depends what kinda game the exclusive would be, because that post says nothing about it.

>>529736264
>No, he doesn't, it's still a 50 times boosts
ahem
>Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan... BUT
Only, at the time, it was like that, but not anymore

>>529774659
>I felt
So it wasn't actually what it was. It's just what it felt like while drawing it.
> but not anymore
Toriyama is talking about when he was drawing it, which would be BEFORE.

How the fuck will Kakarot Daima work with having mini protagonists up until the end? Will the postgame just completely remove the Goku you have used for the campaing and replace it with the normal Goku from the base game? Or will you return to being a kid and the game just lets you use SS4 for normal Goku in the base game?

>>529777795
DLCs in Kakarot are separated from the main campaign, outside the BOG and ROF ones.
So what you do in the DLCs has no impact on your main game guys.
Goku in the DLC is gonna have his own entire skill tree and seemingly it'll be the same when he becomes adult again.
Just like how 23rd Goku is different from the Main Game Goku.

>>529778080
No? Have you actually played it? The first three DLCs unlocked five forms you can use in the main game campaign
>Goku's SSG
>Vegeta's SSG
>Goku's SSGSS
>Vegeta's SSGSS
>Trunks' SS2
Mini Goku will obviously be Daima-exclusive like teen Goku is to the 23rd tournament, like teen Trunks is to the first part of the Trunks DLC or like Bardock is to his OVA, but adult Daima Goku is literally Buu arc Goku, he doesn't even use the pole anymore, it's fair to assume beating the DLC will simply let you use SS4 Goku in the main game (and SS3 Vegeta I guess)

>>529778717
I forgot about the Trunks thing but it doesn't contradict what I said. The DLCs have no impact on the main game and vice versa.
>it's fair to assume beating the DLC will simply let you use SS4 Goku in the main game (and SS3 Vegeta I guess)
It's a possibility but it's just as possible that they don't.
> but adult Daima Goku is literally Buu arc Goku
And 23rd Goku is literally Raditz arc Goku.

>>529778717
>Except the BOG and ROF ones
>No, you're wrong, here's those forms from the BOG and ROF DLCs
What?

>>529778717
>same Goku can transform into KK, SS, SS2, SS3, SS4, SSG and SSB
Budokaibros...

>>529779019
>it doesn't contradict what I said
It does. The DLCs do unlock five forms to use there and then freely in the main game. Daima has two new forms, so why wouldn't they be unlocked for the main game?
>And 23rd Goku is literally Raditz arc Goku.
It's literally not, there's a five year gap and, since Goku kept the bukujutsu secret, the drastic difference in playstyle of flying vs not flying. Meanwhile Daima Goku is literally Buu arc Goku just some months later.

>>529779142
And Trunks' one, idiot.

A kind of WHAT???

>>529779582
>The DLCs do unlock five forms to use there
All of them except one being from the ones I mentioned were exceptions.
> since Goku kept the bukujutsu secret, the drastic difference in playstyle of flying vs not flying.
So no difference because Goku in Raditz still used the nimbus to fly and fought Raditz on the ground?
>Meanwhile Daima Goku is literally Buu arc Goku just some months later.
So a timeskip with no real change to their actual abilities.
>Daima has two new forms, so why wouldn't they be unlocked for the main game?
Who knows. The fact adult Goku in Daima has a different color for his gi might be enough reason for them to make him a standalone or making SSJ4 fit with the other forms retroactively would be too annoying.

>>529779772
Okay does anyone else think this song sounds like a classic Budokai song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WD93lz5GU

>>529779772
Lookism did that too

>>529780391
Some parts kinda sound like old DB game intros I guess.

>>529780375
>the evidence? Exceptions
You don't have an argument, dude. So far every time a Kakarot DLC gives a base game character a new form you unlock that form for the base game too, that's the rule here, not the exception.
>no difference except this difference
See above ("You don't have an argument")
>So a timeskip with no real change to their actual abilities.
Exactly, Daima Goku is the same Goku as from the base game, just with SS4, just like the first DLC gives you Goku from the base game, just with SSG.
>The fact adult Goku in Daima has a different color for his gi might be enough reason for them to make him a standalone
In Kakarot you can use gods with any gi, with the yardrat outfit, with Vegeta's training outfit for the Buu arc, with his Bad Man shirt... Realistically they just have to keep the pants and boots of any outfit and give them all the same torso. Given it's SS4 and fans are used to magic clothes they could even make it so the clothes automatically change to the Daima clothes if you transform, anyway (they also do this with Vegito, you can fuse RoF Goku and RoF Vegeta into Vegito and has his usual clothes, not new ones)

>>529781061
>This is an argument, debate me bro
Sorry laying out simple facts made you think this was a fight but it's not.
>See me getting upset
Yes, it's a very impressive tantrum.
>Exactly
So just like with 23rd not having any impact on Raditz Goku, Daima Goku could have no impact on main Goku.
>Realistically they just have to keep the pants and boots of any outfit and give them all the same torso.
Realistically they don't have to do anything but they might.
I think it's more likely they just make Daima Goku different even as an adult, that way he even get his own skill tree and they'll have more stuff to pad the DLC with.
>magic clothes
Daima Goku specifically didn't have magic clothes tho.

>>529779582
>It's literally not, there's a five year gap
BOG Goku was years after the Buu saga too, that means nothing.

>>529779582
>You're an idiot for not mentioning something that wasn't relevant to what you said
The Trunks one wasn't in those DLCs so it's fair to bring it up, unlike the other forms that made no sense to bring up, retard.

>>529709112
>>529709359
Don't worry a base x 50 boost still makes the next forms multipliers insanely big
People really don't understand how big numbers go the more these fuckers transform

>>529781803
Now add the Kaioken 20x on top of Blue.

>>529781379
>thinks arguing is "a fight" then proceeds to talk about tantrums
You projected a little too hard, I'm afraid.
>so "the same Goku a few months later with the same exact moveset" is just like "Goku 5 years earlier with a completely different movement after removing free movement in the third dimension"
No? 23rd tournament Goku also had no new forms. Daima Goku had new forms, just like Super Goku.
>Realistically they don't have to do anything but they might.
That's why I said they could even just use magic clothes. And yes I know he didn't have those in Daima, but like I said, we are used to that stuff for SS4, and there is a precedent with Kakarot's Vegito so they could make it so going SS4 always gives Goku the same clothes and nobody would bat an eye.

Look I have to take a shower and go for a walk so I will just end this at this: So far every time a base game character got a new transformation in DLC they made said transformation available in the base game.
>Goku unlocks SSG in A New Power Awakens I -> Goku can use SSG in the main game
>Vegeta unlocks SSG in A New Power Awakens I -> Vegeta can use SSG in the main game
>Future Trunks unlocks SS2 in The Warrior of Hope -> Future Trunks can use SS2 in the main game
>Goku unlocks SSB in A New Power Awakens II -> Goku can use SSB in the main game
>Vegeta unlocks SSB in A New Power Awakens II -> Vegeta can use SSB in the main game
>Vegeta unlocks SS3 in Adventure Through the Demon Realm II -> ???
>Goku unlocks SS4 in Adventure Through the Demon Realm II -> ???
Goku's SS4 and Vegeta's SS3 not being available in the base game after completing the DLC where you get them would be the exception, not the norm.

>>529781803
Multipliers after Kaioken were a mistake

>>529783181
>No u
Yes, very impressive tantrum, good job.
>23rd tournament Goku also had no new forms.
But he had new moves, just like SSJB Goku.
>after completing the DLC where you get them would be the exception, not the norm.
That's kinda misleading when not all DLCs even had forms. It's really not a standard they've established and kept to, especially when the DLCs where they really did it are considered the black sheeps of the Kakarot DLCs.

>>529781803
Multipliers after Kaioken were genius.

>>529781910
Sure I don't see why the fuck not

>>529784371
Chile flag go away

>>529784371
Base form, Ozaru and SSJ1 are basically invisible.

Am I the only one not hyped for the Kakarot Daima DLC? There's nothing really new, they just cut your option to fly. No new mini-games; they're still advertising the freaking fishing and eating features like they're something new (Every. Single. DLC.)
Is only Goku playable and the rest support? Glorio fight already got spoiled by trailer, only Tama3 is left as something that hasn't been seen fully.

The rest of content will probably be fetch-quests #4190 with unvoiced dialogue.

>>529784371
Now with the "correct" multiplier of SS being 200x

SEXOOOOOOO

>>529787024
Swoleku is back

>>529787024
https://x.com/AnimeAjay/status/1940778022954848616
Hope this faggot shares, don't wanna spend a bunch on the special edition for a book

>>529787024
I love Goku so much.
>>529786146
>There's nothing really new, they just cut your option to fly.
Having to actually navigate and explore the map is very new and the ground combat has clearly been expanded on and even mixed with some expanded horde stuff.
>Is only Goku playable and the rest support?
Good, fuck rosters, give me a player character and base the entire game around that. Xenoverse should also only have the CaC as playable.

A live footage of Torishima's sweatshop has surface online.
Viewer discretion is advised.

>>529764358
Those look really uncanny in the real world.

>>529786727

>>529783181
Kakarot really is the comfiest Dragon ball game imo . Even seeing a screenshot of that game gives off a really comfy vibe.

>>529787024
WHERE'S THE NECK TOYOFUCKO?? WHERE???

>>529781379
>Daima Goku specifically didn't have magic clothes tho.
As a kid he did weirdly enough. Since his shirt regrew once he went from SS4 to base.

>>529789385
Gomah used magic to revert him to a previous state, it's like clothes regenerating in the manga ToP when they were eliminated

>>529783514
Kaioken is what caused the multiplier to be so damn big.

>Freeza casually ragdolls Goku once he starts to put effort
>Claims he's only using 50% of his power
>Goku panics and thinks he may be bluffing
>Thinks if Freeza isn't bluffing, then even 20x Kaioken won't be enough
if he didn't use 20x kaioken then the multiplier for SS1 could be vaguer, but "logically", for Goku to be stronger than Freeza, it has to be at least 40x...

>>529789584
>Gomah reverts his transformation
>Decides to put on a shirt on Goku
That is a little funny ngl

>>529791594
I don't think he was targeting transformations specifically, just Goku. Specially given Toriyama probably drew Goku removing his clothes >>529787024 as if saying "don't you dare give him magic clothes like in GT"

>>529788515
That's why anime Goku being so strong is always dumb as fuck and cringe, you get him in inferior forms fighting guys stronger than his SS3 in Z, in base or SS fighting guys supposedly Boo tier too, and in Super Vegeta fucking oneshots SS3 Gotenks. On top of that you have add these massive multipliers, it's fucking retarded
Meanwhile Toriyama made clear that even 4 years after Buu Goku wouldn't be able to beat Freeza without transforming

>>529787559
>Xenoverse should also only have the CaC as playable
That's cringe as fuck, big no. There is a reason they constantly pump out new DLC characters, because people love playing as the cast.

>>529788515
lmao you can't even see KK, Ozaru or base on mobile

>>529792178
This is just base Goku taking off his shirt not related to that transformation scene at all. Ajay literally said that scene is specifically from Iyoku.

>>529787559
>Good, fuck rosters, give me a player character and base the entire game around that. Xenoverse should also only have the CaC as playable.
generational bad take. wow.

>>529793796
Iyoku added it specifically because he liked the art anon, and why do you think Toriyama drew Goku taking off his shirt for the same series where he gets a shirtless form?

SSGSSKKK X150,000

>>529761894
Goku was roshi's student and surpassed his base. Goku trains people in his super Saiyan forms.

>>529784371
It's insane that multipliers are so high that if someone with a power level of 1 could use SSBx20 kaioken, they'd be twice as strong as Namek Goku in base form... Just the multipliers alone doing that much...

Honestly would've preferred if the transformations just added up power, that way if Goku in base form were to become as strong as he was in Namek as a super saiyan, he'd "only" become about twice as strong. Though unfortunately there is some type of multiplication, since Goku post Hyperbolic Time Chamber is more than two times stronger than Vegeta (Goku used half power to have Korin compare his power with Cell, and Vegeta was seething about being surpassed again).

>>529793647
>>529793647
Cope, rosterfagging hoodweeb.

>>529789385
It's because Gomah was basically rewinding Goku with magic.
>>529798628
>Goku was roshi's student and surpassed his base.
Yeah and he stopped being his student and went on his own after surpassing him, Uub in DBM isn't independent yet and is still actively learning from Goku.
Goku would just catch up to Uub's level in base too.

>>529798991
>It's insane that multipliers are so high
We have no official multipliers after SSJ3 tho. It's all speculation.

>>529793647
>>529787559
>There is a reason they constantly pump out new DLC characters
Because they're lazy and retarded? Those DLCs are notoriously trash and not why 99.9% of people played Xenoverse.

>>529799742
Goku trains people while he's in the Super Saiyan forms. If Uub's potential is high enough it isn't inconceivable he could reach that level.
>Yeah and he stopped being his student and went on his own after surpassing him,
Uub hasn't fully surpassed Goku. Surpassing his base is only one step in surpassing him.

>>529800764
>Surpassing his base is only one step in surpassing him.
Goku's base would just catch then, it make no sense for Goku to be actively interacting with Uub's base power without his own base power catching up.
>Goku trains people while he's in the Super Saiyan forms.
And he's stronger than all of them in base.

>>529799915
Even without official numbers though, the multiplication numbers will be ridiculously high, since SSG is stronger than Vegetto, and if Goku was talking about a theoretical SS3 Vegetto, then gets silly, because SSG is more than 8x stronger than that, and given how wide the difference between SS1 Vegetto and SS3 Goku is, then the multiplier is on the thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands... And if SSG isn't on tens of thousands, then SSB probably is... Then add SSB Kaioken on top of that...

So while officially we don't have any multipliers, even while lowballing it would be on the tens of thousands, and that's just ridiculous...

Stuff like that is why I wish it wasn't multipliers... Though it's possible that god forms work differently and don't have multipliers, that'd make things less insane...

>>529802176
I wish they kept with SSG > Fusion. They backtracked on it later on.

>>529802176
i think it's easier to think the "Goku wasn't confident in Vegito but thought God could do it" is not down to simple multiplications but god ki properties. Of course that's ignoring how, in true dragon ball fashion, later enemies can keep up with them even without god ki (or anyway how god ki makes no difference), but if we're really to take Goku's insight then it's simply about Goku not knowing that

>>529802438
How?

>>529802481
Goku was very specifically talking about raw power, Beerus was just that much stronger than him. He even is amazed at how strong God actually is when he gets it, and is frustrated by how he couldn't reach that on his own.

>>529803014
>How?
NTA but I assume it's about Kefla in base form ragdolling SSG Goku, and SS1 Gogeta beating up SS1 Broly.

>>529802176 (me)
>and if Goku was talking about a theoretical SS3 Vegetto, then gets silly, because SSG is more than 8x stronger than that
Dear god I worded that horribly, I meant to say that SS3 is 8x stronger than SS1, and that SSG is beyond even that.

>>529803591
Kefla is a fusion made with two people that are already SS3 Gotenks level strong if not stronger in base, compared to base Buu or start of BOG Goku and Vegeta. Kale specifically is simply absurdly strong and only kept getting stronger like Broly. In fact her growth in the Tournament kinda parallels Broly's in the movie.

>>529802176
There's no canon fact by toriyama that SSG > Vegito

SSG/SSB Feats are far more beliveable if they were below which makes Android 17 and kefla performance more sensible (still retarded for A17 but less retarded). If they were above vegito then it'd be retarded as fuck.

>>529804473
BOG literally has a line by Goku comparing Vegito and Beerus, and Goku thinks Vegito would get clownwalked like he did.

>>529801010
>Goku's base would just catch then, it make no sense for Goku to be actively interacting with Uub's base power without his own base power catching up.
DBM has hard limits to how strong Goku can get, and again, even in the original manga, Uub as a kid was keeping up with base Goku, so his growth in power would be insane. I see no problems with Goku training with Uub constantly and his base form being unable to catch up to him, that says a lot about Uub's power, but it doesn't mean Goku is weak.

Plus the idea of "Training against someone stronger will make the base form catch up", because in that case Goku could've just trained with Gohan back in Cell saga by asking Gohan to go SS1, while Goku stays in base form, and eventually Goku would "catch up"...

>>529804473
>retarded as fuck.
Yup that's Dragon Ball Super powerscaling! It is entirely nonsensical and hype driven.

>>529804774
He literally cannot sense Beerus ki
Potara is a multiplier, it's broken as shit.
Either believe that or believe Super Powerscaling in general is extremely retarded

>>529787024

Did we figure out what that special bonus for the Daima dvd was?

>>529799915
See >>529573487
Basic math is enough to get SS Vegito being over 10 times stronger than SS3 Goku, so SS3 Vegito would be 80 times stronger and thus SSG has to be AT LEAST over 80 times stronger than SS3 Goku too
If SS3 multiplier is at least 400x then SSG is way stronger than 32000x, that's the BARE MINIMUM

>General Rildo is stronger than Buu? Well, that must mean he's Buuhan level, so GT Goku is Buuhan level in base. :)
>WTF Super characters can't be that strong!!! That's stupid!!! No I don't care that they can one-shot SS3 Gotenks!! Doesn't make sense!!!!! >:(

U6 saiyans are dogshit and further ruin the original saiyans
>extremely powerful at birth
>peaceful faggots
>zero muscle
Crazy how kale can solo the entire Z villains without doing a single training or fighting

This is why GTfags deserve less

>>529804473
>There's no canon fact by toriyama that SSG > Vegito
BoG's extended version adds a line where Goku claims even fusion wouldn't be enough.

Plus while fighting Beerus, Goku says he "never knew there was a world like this" while using SSG. So Goku thinking fusion wouldn't be enough, while thinking SSG would, is indicating SSG is above Vegetto.

>>529806026
So android 17 just got to SSB by fighting 10 powerlevel butchers? nice

>>529805901
>without doing a single training or fighting
Perhaps you should do a single learning of English, my friend

>>529806113
He was training with Godzilla, since he is a Ranger of Monster Island. And since Godzilla is stronger than Superman, it makes sense to me.

>>529805313
I don't like how Goku is enjoying it

>>529806172
Sorry i don't proofread my shitposts on 4chan anon.

>>529806113
They give a lot of exp

>>529799915
We don't have any official multipliers, period. Toriyama never outright said anything about PL after Freeza's 530,000 and 1 million.

>>529806113
Android 17 is weird, since while he was fighting Goku well before the tournament, during the tournament he was clearly below Toppo, so it was Toei doing fake hype, such as Kale tanking SSB Goku's kamehameha, only for her more powerful form get her ass beaten by SSG...

Regardless, even in the manga, where power levels are lower, 17's growth is ridiculous, since Goku used SS3 against him. 17 was hunting down poachers and got strong enough to be near fat Buu's level... Even sillier Toriyama did that right after Black's arc, since future Trunks returns there, and future Trunks' timeline is one where 17 didn't get any stronger, so there is a world where 17 hunted down regular people for years and didn't get any stronger, while in another 17 hunts down poachers and he becomes at the bare minimum, SS3 level...

>>529806113
He fought Cell Juniors that are probably stronger than Cell at this point lmao

powerups felt far more deserved in Z
in super its the following
>just kill random humans and become god level
>just train for 5 minutes and you'll be the most powerful being and get new transformation.
>just tickle your back bro

What the fuck is this shit. Goku training arcs were hard as shit for him to gain a minuscule amount of strength. I guess goku is just low talent retard compared to Android 17 or U6 saiyans then.

>>529807352
Goku became 30 times stronger in his way to Namek by cheating his biology with zenkai, also learned to multiply his power 20 times instead of 4

>>529807536
And he had to train under extreme gravity for days. And he still got his ass kicked by frieza

>>529807604
for reference if this was super, Goku would have been god level (but just under beerus though, for reasons)
Its literally child level storytelling instead of storytelling that Z did.

>>529807158
In the manga he did fight Cell Juniors for years BUT after the tournament Goku said the guy was "about as strong as them" so at least he should be stronger than SSG tier too, Toriyama went crazy for him for some reason

This is why GTChads deserve more.

>>529807158
17 was training against Cell Jrs. in the manga.

>>529807352
>powerups felt far more deserved in Z
Even in Z they were silly at times. Tien, Yamcha, Krillin and Chiaotzu trained with Kami for a few months, then on their own, for about six months and became stronger than Raditz, while Goku trained with Kami for three years and was only around Piccolo's level.

Zenkais also gave ridiculous jumps in power. Vegeta was constantly getting them and becoming as strong as he needs. Goku also got a bunch of Zenkais and got to around Ginyu's level without Kaioken. Then he got one more zenkai and went from Ginyu's level to stronger than Piccolo and Vegeta... And speaking of Piccolo, him being able to fuse with Nail is a complete asspull.

Z was actually really bad with power ups too, DBS is only a little sillier at times.

>>529800069
>and not why 99.9% of people played Xenoverse.
Nice headcanon faggot. I prefer to play as named characters who actually can talk, instead of just waving their hands and being mute for 99.9% of the story.

>>529807896
Hell if you go by the Z anime filler, Yamcha alone is on the level of Perfect Cell by the end of the Buu saga, since he can overpower Olibu.

>>529807604
Not really, his gains were from almost dying and recovering, same as Vegeta did. You don't have to put any real effort, just almost die and then recover
Remember also Vegeta, who literally asked Krillin to injure him so he could get a zenkai. It's that easy, no effort, just get yourself to the brink of death and press the instant health button a second after your suffering starts. You will be fine and stronger than ever

>>529795130
>and why do you think Toriyama drew Goku taking off his shirt
Because he felt like doing that. Nothing in this art is about SS4.

>>529807819
>>529807876
The question is how he even became strong enough to tame them, since Cell Jrs are far stronger than even semi-perfect Cell...

>BUT after the tournament Goku said the guy was "about as strong as them" so at least he should be stronger than SSG tier too
Yeah that line was weird too. The closest thing that indicates 17 is that strong is Goku's "Oh shit" face when 17 does a large ki ball, but even that doesn't mean SSG tier, but Goku's line can indicate that...

>Toriyama went crazy for him for some reason
I do hear something about an anime producer 17fagging, so maybe Toriyama listened to him and just gave him that much growth overall that affects both continuities? Or maybe the 17fagging was more about the anime since 17 gets plenty of moments there...

>>529808101
Toei's power levels have always been crazy, people just forget because they look at the original manga

>>529806595
Your ESL slipped through

>>529808147
>why do I think Toriyama drew Goku taking his shirt off for the series where he gets a form always depicted without a shirt? Because he felt like doing that!
I rest my case.

>>529808393
>Toei's power levels have always been crazy
>Goku fights a copy Gohan after being absorbed by Buu
>Uses SS1 against him
>"You're as strong as the original Gohan!"
Yeah...

There was Goku, saying kid Buu is the strongest of all Buus, which's ridiculous...

>>529807352
DBS is just Buu Saga with the nonsensical bullshit cranked up to 11.

>>529808404
Sorry again for being a trilingual european instead of a mutt.

>>529808638
>kid Buu is the strongest of all Buus
That's true. SSJ3 couldn't beat him like it did for majin buu
Buuhan is debateable

>>529808638
Also fought Super Buu using only SS, with SS Vegeta's help. Then he fought kid Buu as SS2 for a while, despite this being supposedly stronger than Gotenks, who made him go SS3 right away

>>529808638
See? Retards like this >>529808871 is what you get thanks to this bullshit

>>529808656
Better a mutt than a Fr*nch

>>529805313
this is funny cause in my country Goku and Spongebob have the same va

>>529809172
It was literally told in the manga that kid buu is the evilest of all buus

read pic related
>possessing the greatest strength

>>529809728
Except
1 "Evilest" has nothing to do with strength
2 They said it was the most dangerous due to his uncontrolable personality, not "evilest"
3 Your pic isn't any canon source

>>529807292
You know who else fought those GOD Jr's?

>>529809975
MY HEROES of course

I want to be excited for the July expo thing but we all know Toyotaro and Torishima won’t be talking about continuing the series.

And Akio is still nowhere to be found.

>>529809959
Anime canon.
There's also pic related
>most formidable
I don't want to get into arguments about SSJ3 and shit so i'll leave this at that.

>>529804921
>while Goku stays in base form, and eventually Goku would "catch up"...
Goku did catch up tho, the timing of the Cell Games just didn't allow it

>>529810149
Honestly I don’t even know why people want a new manga arc.

I mean, it’s nice to have something new, but the drought still continues. It won’t be adapted into an anime, the games can’t touch it, it won’t even have merch.

>>529808638
Don't forget about this promotional gem.
Goku was relative to Ultimate Gohan in base at less than 1/100th power.

for the buuhan retards
read this
https://capsulecommentary.com/2025/02/21/kid-buu-vs-buuhan/

>>529805901
The original saiyans were fodder thug slaves for Freeza and all got fodderized.
The U6 Saiyans being peaceful and powerful shows and illustrated how Goku and Yamoshi's way is the right one while the U7 Saiyans's way just doomed them to be stunted faggots.

>>529744351
>>529755773
Yeah all three kids (Peppa, Gohan, and Izumi) end up player controlled for the Kai (Buu-Daima timeframe but featuring movie, GT, and Heroes content) portion of the Quest.

>>529810703
>Goku at 1% fights Ultimate Gohan in base in the anime
And people wonder why I don't give a flying fuck about Ribrianne tanking a SSB Goku kick in the anime lmao

>>529808639
>Buu Saga
It's literally the Saga with the least insane power jumps.
>>529807990
>You are right but I wish you weren't and my shit taste were the norms!
Too bad for you.

>>529810703
I'm pretty sure it says 1/100th their size, not power.

>>529810784
No need to read your babble, I read the manga where Goku was sure that if SS3 worked properly while being alive he could beat Kid Buu, but the same guy (still thinking his SS3 would work as intended) was shitting his pants at the idea of fighting vanilla Super Buu, even with Vegeta's help.

>>529811543
>>Buu Saga
>It's literally the Saga with the least insane power jumps.
Except if we're talking about the non canon Anime, then it becomes the worst arc with the most unexplained power jumps.

>>529811765
You also read the chapter where goku regretted destroying the potara, right?

>>529811786
That's not really fair for the Buu arc, the more forms that are added to the story the more retarded that shit becomes because Toei likes to make characters fight in underpowered forms, it's a problem with the multipliers being insane and Toei not understanding how big they are

>>529811786
Every arc get way more nonsensical if you include the anime-only fillers honestly.
Like fucking Namek exploding covers most of a galaxy somehow.

Did buu get stronger or weaker from absorbing south supreme kai?

>>529811821
Yeah, when he regreted destroying the potara because his SS3 form wasn't working as intended, not because he suddendly realized Buu was actually dozens times stronger than he thought, retard.
SS3 Goku is stronger than kid Buu. No "if" or "but", he is. He needs to be at full power, sure, but he IS stronger than kid Buu and still a fucking joke compared to Super Buu. Read the manga.

>>529812235
He should be stronger. There's no reason to think that adding someone's powers to his own would make him weaker.

>>529811543
>the least insane power jumps
Goku and Vegeta get Gohan's rage form rebranded to a Super Saiyan number just because they trained really hard.
Goten becomes a super saiyan as a toddler because he got mad at a video game.
There's an asspull fusion powerup that makes the users like 1000x stronger.
The pink bad guy is literally born out of Cell's egg, and he has Cell's regeneration but 1000x better, and he knows everybody's techniques like Cell, but he just learns them instantly from watching them be used.
There is a second asspull fusion technique as if the first one wasn't stupid enough.
Gohan becomes stronger than anyone ever just because an old purple man danced in front of him for a few hours.

>>529812235
It's explicitly stated he got stronger. Buff Buu > Super Buu > Kid Buu

>>529812320
Kid buu destroyed fat buu with ease.
You're dumb and take character dialouge as truth when we know there's been multiple lies in the buu saga.
Goku "lied" about not being able to defeat Fat Buu, Dende "lied" about how long the Dragon Balls will take to recover, Goku "lied" about Kid Buu not being able to reach them, and #17 "lied" about not hearing Goku's voice in a long time.
SSJ3 goku will not be able to defeat kid buu at all

>>529812686
>Kid buu destroyed fat buu with ease.
Media literacy bro...

>>529812553
>Goten becomes a super saiyan as a toddler because he got mad at a video game.
That's not even a power jump, it's just a new character being introduced at around last arc's level of powers.

>>529812563
So the fat Buu gets removed and buu gets stronger by becoming buff Buu then he gets a lot weaker by becoming kid Buu a few panels later?

>>529812686
Good Buu was way weaker than the Fat Buu Goku fought at first because he separated himself from most of his power. You would know this if you could read.
>THEY LIED BECAUSE I CAN'T DEAL WITH FACTS
Wrong, when a character's words are untrue it's shown/explained how the character lied or was mistaken. Goku didn't lie or was wrong about kid Buu being weaker than his SS3 form, he explicitly said the problem was that he was losing energy and thus couldn't go all out. It's literally not up to debate, Goku confirms the reason he's not killing kid Buu right away is because his form is failing him, not because he's not strong enough.
You would also know this if you could read.

>>529813363
Yeah? That's what they said. Goku literally warned Vegeta they shouldn't just leavg Super Buu's body because "he would kill them" easily, then they remove fat Buu and are forced to escape Super Buu's body, Super Buu becomes Buff Buu and they say he's somehow powering up, THEN he changes again and turns into Kid Buu, to which Goku says they can handle him.
Buff Buu > Super Buu > Goku > Kid Buu

>>529813693
Kid Buu vs original fat Buu who wins?

>>529813387
>because its not explictly shown it's not true
Toriyama just wanted to end the manga, he wasn't going to give us another transformation and extend the manga.

See pic related.
This same narrative is repeated in both versions of DBS and Daizenshu's manga guide that basically if the Genki Dama fails, no one is stopping Kid Buu, which would include Gohan. This puts Kid Buu above Super Buu at least.

An argument I don't see brought up enough: Goku thought bringing Gohan, Goten, and Trunks was a good idea. It's like he thought they stood an actual chance.
I think SS1 Gotenks could beat Kid Buu.

>>529814029
>he wasn't going to give us another transformation
What the FUCK are you even talking about you turboretard??? He didn't have to add a new form, he just had to make Goku say "whoops sorry, this Buu is actually too strong for me!" But instead he said the problem is how SS3 works. Because Goku's strength compared to Buu was never the issue. You are a retard.
>he thinks donating your energy to the genkidama is the same as fighting yourself
You are a *fucking* retard.

>>529811316
You can say this all you want, but because the monkeys aren't roided out, the dumbasses will keep screeching about how they "should" be weaker (even though other U6 Saiyans have more muscle mass like Caulifla's brother).

The U6 Saiyans are lame. They have no cool lore, they look lame, they have no cool appendages, they have no unique transformations, and they lack edginess. They are everything stripped from the Saiyans. They are hollow and uninteresting. Out of all concept from modern Dragon ball they might be the one with the most missed potential.

Point proven.

>>529816216
>but because the monkeys aren't roided out,
Which is a confusing complaint because the U7 Saiyans were hardly all Broly tier. Hell, Vegeta himself was pretty scrawny at first for the Z artstyle.
Even Selipa didn't have any more muscle than Chichi, Bulma, 18 or Videl.
Also there was a fat one (in Bardock's team), a crackhead midget one and a skinny crackhead one.

>>529813841
>･･･はい･･･吸収によってパワーを減らしてまで手に入れた心が･･･ またもとにもどってしまった･･･...
According to Kibitoshin Buu gained a good heart but lost power upon absorbing the Great Kaioshin. That said, the one who lost power was Buff Buu so we don't know if he lost enough to become weaker than kid Buu or not, we only know Super Buu was stronger.
Weaker than Super Buu but stronger than Skinny Buu, that's all we know. Could be weaker than Kid Buu, about as strong or stronger, no way to know for sure

>>529816753
>They have no cool lore,
They have the exact same lore as U7 saiyans except Yamoshi won and they didn't become space hobos that got enslaved by Freeza, instead rising up to be a power of their own that their Freeza equivalent had to work around and hide from despite being way stronger than Freeza was.
Basically same lore but they picked the right options instead of retardation.

>>529816846
Excellent analysis. I will be using this infographic extensively.

>>529817057
They have nothing the Saiyans of old don't and missed out on the being cool space pirates. You think this is the best idea they could have come up with?

>>529816839
The problem people keep circling back to is the fact that Toei didn't adapt the designs from Toriyama's initial concepts, so they look skinnier, like how his artstyle adapted in the years leading up to BoG. In an especially notable case, Caulifla and Android 21 have literally the same bodytype in Toriyama's concepts, but FighterZ filled out 21 a bit more so she looks more like Bulma or 18.

>>529817362
>They have nothing the Saiyans of old don't
More power, independence, an actual homeworld, civilization, their own tech, an actual presence of their own in the universe at large, an actual ruler of their own race who isn't someone else's underlings.
>They missed out on being weak slaves to Freeza
What a tragedy.

>>529810426
I meant "catching up" to Gohan's SS1 power in base form, because anon was insisting that Goku has to be equal to Uub in base form in DBM, even if that doesn't have to be the case.

DBM has a lot of problems, Goku needing to use SS1 against Uub after years of training is not one of them.

>>529817820
If they're defenders of good then make all of them closer to Great Saiyaman in personality. Give them something unique. Have them already discovered the Super Saiyan transformation a long time ago and evolve it in a specific way due to their unique biology. Have an interesting society instead of whatever the fuck they got going on. Make them super obsessed with freedom.
Just spit balling. I hope you catch my drift that too little was done and they aren't nearly as interesting as they could be. Right now they are the same as the currently alive Saiyans.

>>529818597
>If they're defenders of good then make all of them closer to Great Saiyaman in personality.
Based. That make them even better.

>>529816753
>They have no cool lore
I disagree, like the other guy said they basically have another take of the saiyans lore.
>U7: Good saiyans like Yamoshi are erradicated. Saiyans become a race of evil retards. They destroy their own planet, Sadala, fighting eachother, and move to another planet. They are recruited by Freeza to be space conquerors, but Freeza destroys their new planet and kills them all (mostly)
>U6: Good saiyans thrive and become proud, righteous warriors. Saiyans are respectable and strong guys with plenty of S-Cells, Still live in Sadala and all that shit
The manga even has a few tibits that add more lore like how they USED to have tails but no longer have, which fits with Toriyama's explanation of tails being something that stop growing on saiyans once they are so strong they don't need the Ozaru boost to survive, or how their legendary saiyan is called "DEMON" saiyan instead of "Super" saiyan, given that since they aren't savage retards a berserker, bloodbath-loving saiyan wouldn't be praised as a superman but rather as a monster to be feared.
Even their appearances also fit the worldbuilding once you compare them to U7 saiyans. According to Toriyama nearly all saiyans were low class, and all low classes were either raised as engineers or turned into infiltration children, only joining the saiyan army once they survive and conquer their first plan. Jaco's manga says the reason saiyans grow like they do is because they stay small to appear defendless until they are ready to conquer the world they are sent to so you can see why saiyans as a race evolved to appear like children until puberty hits them like a truck and become adults in like a year. Meanwhile U6 saiyans? They appear to grow normally based on Cabbe, Caulifla and Kale. Why? Because they don't have infiltration children, their saiyans just evolved without the need to appear defendless for a long time.
It's genuine good lore, man.

>>529818597
Anon, you want to make them 'interesting' before we even actually saw them, it's pretty obvious we'd only learn about them once the crew goes to Sadala.
Even U7 Saiyans only got real lore a few years ago with DBS Broly.

>>529819124
>their first plan
"Their first planet", sorry

>>529808871
Goku after freeing everyone minus Fat Buu from Super Buu, claimed Super Buu is still stronger than him, and suggests to Vegeta fusion. Once Fat Buu is freed, and Kid Buu appears, Goku is confident he can take Kid Buu on.

While Goku was ultimately wrong, there is a more obvious difference in power between Super Buu and Kid Buu, making the anime's claim that Kid Buu is the strongest of all retarded.

>>529809172
Wait I could swear he used SS1 wtf...

>>529819151
>Even U7 Saiyans only got real lore a few years ago with DBS Broly.
They got the Raditz lore and some Anime exclusive stuff. The DBS Broly/Minus Saiyans sucked a lot.

>>529814532
When I re-read DB and reached that page I was baffled...

>Are we going to call Gohan, Goten Trunks for an ez win?
>No, let's risk it all with the shitty Genki Dama.
>Great idea Vegeta!

>>529819653
>They got the Raditz lore and some Anime exclusive stuff.
You mean the stuff that contradict itself? With them being killed by a meteor?

Controlled Broly has yellow eyes, like Ikari, but without pupils. I guess Kefla's eyes were inherited from Caulifla.

>>529820293
>Lore is so deep that there's levels of truth to the tale
Yup! Truly amazing stuff.

>>529820309
The eyes look green compared to the movie's full yellow.

Cabba gives them a bad rep. He is the most bland looking Saiyan with the most dog water "personality" imaginable. Maybe they can be redeemed with a visit to Sadala but this guy can't.

>>529820239
It was obviously for fake tension. Tori knew Gohan would thrash Kid Buu and had to write him out.

>>529821608
Well yeah, but the fact they acknowledge that bringing Gohan along could work, and then don't...

This even makes the final battle have no tension once Earth is brought back.
>If Goku dies, he can just teleport to Kaioshin planet while dead and keep fighting
>Or Shin can teleport Gohan to Kaioshin planet after resting
>Or a wish can be used to teleport Gohan to Kaioshin planet

So basically, even if Genki Dama failed, they still could win, easily...

>>529820795
Idk why they made them so graish but if you check that's no doubt yellow

>>529820309
I still can't believe after 31 years and 2 weeks we finally got a non-insane SS Broly.

>no Toriyama's art for SS4 Goku in the Daima collection
No Toriyama's draft for the final page of chapter 104, no Toriyama's art for SS4... come on, dude, these are like the last Gokus he made and they aren't sharing them

>>529822091
Gohan was a chump, he didn't have the power to obliterate Kid Buu.
He's SSJ3 tier but we've seen SSJ3 wasn't enough against him.

>>529824638
SSJuan... Ultimate Gohan was vastly stronger than SS3 Goku. Watch the manga.

>>529825000
fuck
>read the manga
Brainfart
Anyway, don't even read the manga, you can even check this thread and find panels of Goku saying that Super Buu will fucking murder them, the same Super Buu who got bitchslapped by Gohan like a little piece of shit
Gotenks and Gohan were leagues above Goku at the end of the manga, Super is the first time since the Namek arc that a canon arc ends with Goku being the strongest protagonist

>>529823643
guarantee they're saving them for some 'celebration of DB/Toriyama' event

>>529827538
That's be cool.

We got a Daima trailer for Kakarot and the narrator is trying his best.

https://youtu.be/qRJpvZLUp2A

>>529830415
Oh, wait. This is a day old, haha...

All this Buu talk got me thinking, is the Japanese dub the only one where all Buus are voiced by the same guy?

>>529830415
You're late. The better version was already posted hours ago

>>529787024
This apparently makes redheaded women moist

>>529805313
KEK

>>529832845
>This apparently makes redheaded women moist
Care to elaborate? Where did that come from?

>>529830692
Nope

>>529833937
Toei kept pushing the idea, adding moments with Suno and like five different filler characters that are all redheads thirsting after Goku. There's also that one filler girl that wants to date Gohan, and arguably the Supreme Kai of Time and Bardock.

>>529823068
God I need this nigga in Sparking Zero so badly

>>529823068
>Super Saiyans have green eyes and yellow hair
>Legendary Super Saiyans have yellow eyes and green hair
>Kefla has Caulifla's green eyes and Kale's green hair
I'm nooooticing

https://x.com/ShenronZ_/status/1940767321125220837
damn long ass hair

>>529835371
>There's also that one filler girl that wants to date Gohan
That girl in high school who looks like Lady Red/Zangya?

>and arguably the Supreme Kai of Time and Bardock.
Never realized Chronoa fits the redhead pattern, but, that's Dimps, not Toei.

>>529838517
>That girl in high school who looks like Lady Red/Zangya?
That's the one yeah.

>Never realized Chronoa fits the redhead pattern, but, that's Dimps, not Toei.
Hence the arguably. Still the point is, there is a pattern. Actually I think that Quest those three guys keep talking about fits that pattern too? Which is kinda funny.

Random tertiary women love son family CHADS
Suno, Hasky, Palace, Lime, Princess Snake, Angela, Chronoa, and Aeos. Anyone else? Why is the Son family so popular?

>>529839398
There was also that one filler girl in Super that developed a thing for Gohan. Coco?

>>529837780
Lmao

>>529840554
>Toyble is the only one who actually tries to make his hands appear like Goku's doing a Kame
Environmental storytelling

>>529823068
Need this as an awokening in xenoverse 2 like right now, mod team needs to get on it.

Caulifla is close to 20. It is nearly time for her and Kale to get knocked up and become passive housewives.

>>529834023
Oh that's cool! Also
>Voiced Buu and Tien
He must've found dubbing pic related in the anime funny.

>>529843210
there are already like 10 Controlled LSSJ for CaC mods...

>>529823643
>>529787024
What the fuck are these proportions? This nigga's brain was shutting down fr. The anatomy here is garbage.

>>529816753
That's on Toriyama and Toyotaro, and is part of why I have zero faith in Toyo Ball now that Toriyama is dead. They could and should be very cool additions to the universe.

>>529845482
>The anatomy here is garbage.
Most noticeably is his head's positioning, it's too low, looks like he has no neck.

>>529845114
Not him but controlled? And with yellow eyes instead of the typical turquoise eyes all Super Saiyans have?

>>529845482
Only one of those is Toriyama's, anon

>>529787024
I love Toriyama was SO absurdly inconsistentwith colors the pants don't match the top just because Goku tossed it away

>>529846917
Don't acknowledge him

>>529848095
Maybe his original idea was a two tone gi?

>>529821027
They were never really given canon ages nor have we seen what a confirmed adult U6 Saiyan looks like
Just make it so he was like 15 during ToP and after the timeskip he looks like a gigachad (and make him taller than Bejita for a gag)

>>529846717
yeah, that's why i included the word Controlled. i think yellow eyes became the standard for Controlled LSSJ after the Super Broly movie, but if you find a mod that doesn't have yellow eyes, that is one of the easiest things in the world to change. if you open any transformation x2m with the XV2 Skill Editor (included with the mod manager) hair and eye color can be chosen from a color picker in the last tab. so it is obscenely simple to change green eyes to yellow ones.

when i wasn't trying to wait for someone to make a Revamp compatible LSSJ, i actually took the DBL Transformation Lines (Revamp Compatible)'s SSJ 1-3 skill and just changed the aura, eye, and hair colors to match LSSJ Controlled. the renamed it. lol

there's also a good chance LSSJ and Controlled LSSJ will be part of the next Revamp CaC Overhaul update. i think 4th from the right on the top row here is meant for Super Saiyan 2 Rage and LSSJ.

https://videogamemods.com/xenoverse/mods/basic-legendary-super-sayian-transformation/
https://videogamemods.com/xenoverse/mods/suppressed-lssj-fixed/

>>529848493
>4th from the right
meant 4th from the left, duh.

>>529848678
Tiddies!

>>529848290
>nor have we seen what a confirmed adult U6 Saiyan looks like
We saw Caulifla's older brother

>>529848234
His art for Goku mini clearly shows a single orange color just like every other time he ever colored Goku's gi orange.

>>529844000
Leave them to me

>>529848290
We have seen adult U6 saiyans in both versions of Super, Cabbe is clearly a young boy

>>529849308
LOL
LMAO
Good joke

>>529849248
Toriyama generally does multiple designs before settling on one and change his minds on colors a lot.

>>529849707
Toriyama generally uses the same color for Goku's orange top and orange pants. And by generally I mean literally every single time in the decades he worked in DB.

>>529849308
I'd rather them get married to random chads and let Cabba have a submissive Saiyan tradwife. Those whores arent his style.

>>529849308
Reminder manga CHADba made of Caulifla his little groupie bitch after beating her shit

>Cabbafags
LMAO

>>529848290
Cabba is a well established soldier in the military, the girls are their age and they aren't chibi like Goten and Trunks were when they were under 17 so Caulifla, Kale and Cabba aren't under 17 either.
Caulifla's behaviour is modeled after the Sukeban, not a teenage girl. Sukeban are girl gangs filled with female delinquents. The first ones were founded by highschool girls, but that's not where the story ends. Some grew to even rival smaller Yakuza clans. Many "girl bosses" in anime are modelled after the Sukeban. It is not an age restricted thing.

>>529848956
fuark yeah

Cabba is in the fucking military as a high ranking commander. Why does he act like such a pussy? Why is he so polite? He won't pull shit if he keeps up like that.

It's funny.

>>529852386
Pretending you have to be an adult to be in a saiyan army is pretty dumb dude

>>529823068
I love how much Super!Broly's hair looks like Goku's, really sells the parallels of both being rocket children but raised in pretty much opposite ways both separate from their saiyan roots

>>529853261
If he is high ranking then he's been in there for a while. The U6 Saiyans aren't as military obsessed as the U7 Saiyans so it is unlikely they will allow children in there. No way he's just some 14 year old punk who hasn't had his growth spurt yet.

>>529851565
Funny enough he'd probably be into the Caulifla type, that's just what they're attracted to.

>>529853649
>he's been there for a while
Or is just a genius and stupidly strong which is likely considering he was the saiyan chosen to represent the whole race for the universe's God of Destruction's event.

It has been a trend to make saiyans good in super anyway.

if saiyan planet still existed you'd bet your ass they'd introduce more powerful but "good" saiyans, its all just a cash grab bullshit

the bad part is they can't do it right, nobody is a fan of cabba or those women, they have zero appeal to majority of the DB fanbase because they are NOT badass. That woman in the bardock special looks more badass than them

>>529853819
Every piece of fanart tries to them super badass and dominant. They really missed the mark with the U6 jobbers.

>>529853819
>>529854154
Cope

>>529853819
>they have zero appeal to majority of the DB fanbase
All the fanart and fanfics kinda say otherwise. Especially for Kale and Caulifla.
Kefla is straight up one of the most popular Super character.

>>529854739
>Fanart
most DB fans don't care about that shit, fanart is mainly a coomer's game
loook at games, at the gacha banners revenue. always flops

the most popular are always Z characters or Super fusion characters, or the typical broly.

What a cope

>cope
cope with facts lil bro

cope indeed

>>529854739
Off model coombait art but you are correct. To be honest any female Saiyan given the time they were would have gotten that. People have been wishing for this for years, they get scraps, and they run with his. Doesn't mean they could not be better.

>>529855097
AIEEEE female saiyan bros what is this

He's still coping

cope with what? objective popularity data? lmao
is this anon retarded? do you know what "cope" means

Caulifla has a thing for Goku-jii, and will marry Goten because he's the next best thing. Kale wants to scissor Caulifla and will also marry Goten just to be closer to Caulifla. Cabba will marry a nice Gine-like Saiyan woman.

Pan in unpopular and also ugly. She also will never kiss grandpa.

Goku is the ugliest monkey though

Much coping indeed

>>529854837
>Super fusion characters
So Kefla like I said?
>>529855175
'It could be better' is a very different statement from 'They have zero appeal to the majority of the DB fanbase'. The latter is just verifiably and objectively false.

>>529856074
>So Kefla like I said?
No, I was clearly talking about gogeta and vegetto.
see >>529855097
not a single woman on that list

Do we have a color page of Gohan transforming into Beast against Goku? that page was sick, it looked like he was calling down lighting, I think it was the same effect the movie used to show him charging the special beam cannon.

Oh it's a self-hating femoid
How sad

Oh great a retard crying because canon saiyans have engineers, a few of them even had families and despite genociding on a daily basis weren't being parody tier barbarians 100% of time (also stupid enough to send newborns to conquer planets) like Toei filler said. Again

>>529856227
How are Gacha pulls even relevant to the discussion? Also of course they aren't on the list, it's all characters who've existed for like 20+ years or the like 2 DBS characters more popular than Kefla.

>>529856239
You should check the usual dumpers on Twitter.

>>529855795
>Goku is the ugliest monkey though

>canon saiyans

>>529856526
What is this cope? if kefla and caufila and cabba were truly popular, they'd rank on the chart like other super characters who did, but they didn't

They are relevant to showcase true popularity. not fan art coomer shit, unless you actually have an objective hard data other than that.

How big is Goku's dick?

>>529856840
>If you don't rank above the two most popular characters, you're not popular at all
This is utterly retarded.
And no, gacha pulls aren't relevant to showcase any 'true' popularity, it just showcase how much whales valued them to show in-game.
The majority of the DB fanbase doesn't even play either mobile games.

Saiyans function off of rule of cool. Screaming really loud and having your hair stick up is cool. Being awesome planet destroying civilization wiping monkeys is cool. Sending away infants to wipe out aliens is cool. This is why there are so many Saiyan self inserts and why games like Xenoverse are so popular.

>Gachawhales
>true fans
LMAO
And FGO is peak fiction too right? Fucking nerd.

>>529856682
Goku is so cute

>>529857034
Do you have ANY hard data to objectively say they're popular?
coomer fanart shit with 1k likes in twitter isn't

>if I keep coping I will win!
Fucking nerd lmao

>>529856239
There's this but he also does it to Carmine which kinda seems closer to what you were describing with the lightning calling.

>>529856682
He hit the wall

>>529857193
And being strong and capable of wiping all U7 saiyans singlehandedly is cool so Cabba is cooler than any U7 saiyan back on Planet Vegeta.

>>529857386
>Do you have ANY hard data to objectively say they're popular?
All the fanarts, fanfics, comments and discussion about that
>That appeal doesn't count
Even if it was just coomer fanart kino, it would still be an appeal, which you said they didn't have any.

>>529857481
Saiyans can't hit the wall, they break through it.

>>529857672
if you still insist on fanart, then A18 still mogs them by over 10x
despite them being saiyans

>>529857484
You have to look cool while doing it. Cabba can't look cool so it doesn't matter what powerscalers say he can do.

>>529857480
Beast is so fucking stupid in every way but it can look cool.

>>529854739
gvdlike trvth nvke

>>529856873
2 inches (3 in oozaru, 4 in SS4)

>>529848095
>>529848234
>>529849874
Goku's gi had two colors in certain shots from Daima's first teaser trailer. It seems like the original idea was for it to be two-toned.
https://youtu.be/CYcrmsdZuyw?t=183

>>529857847
Of course 18 mogs them, she's been a fan favorite for like 30 years. Kale, Caulifla and Kefla still have more than enough appeal for the DB fandom to be amongst popular characters introduced in DBS.
So the initial statement is wrong.

>>529857857
>>529857484
See Z Bardock. He's a sub dodoria jobber but he is really cool.

>these new characters have lots of fanart
>POPULAR OLD CHARACTER HAS MORE SO THAT ONE BETTER!!!!
L M A O

>>529858059
No it isn't, if they were they'd be popular in gacha and games, which they weren't

>>529858048
Forgot pic related.

>>529857857
>>529858060
Except Cabba does look cool while doing it since he is super strong, has spiky hair and has his hair rise up as he goes SSJ.
>>529858048
Yeah, I vaguely remembered that too. It was an interesting idea. Would have surely stood out at least.
That's probably why it was distinctively a two piece gi, when most of Goku's gi are one piece with a shirt underneath.

>>529855097
how many Caulifla, Kale, and Kefla units even are there? and how many of them were the star unit of a big event? putting them up against the main characters of the franchise who have 100 units worth of representation–and have been the stars of pretty much every event since the inception of the game–is kinda unfair. they're not even in the same weight class with regards to their representation in Dokkan.

>manga Kefla is boisterous and aggressive because she's a cross between Caulifla (battle autist) and LSS Kale (murderous rage)
>anime Kefla is still boisterous and aggressive even though Kale fused when she was in her controlled and calm/nice state

>>529858187
>if they were they'd be popular in gacha and games
They are popular there too, they just don't make any top list because even Black and Jiren, the two biggest hype characters Super already barely make the list.
Which make sense because they're competing with 40 year old characters and the fusions, who are not only very old but ALSO got new forms in Super.
The Kefla banners sure as fuck didn't lose money.

>>529858381
>how many Caulifla, Kale, and Kefla units even are there?
In legends? I can only remember like 2 or 3? And only 1 of those might have been a headliner but I could be wrong.

>>529848095
Toriyama is incompetent, but I would bet this wasn't Toriyama's incompetence so much as it was Toei and Shueisha shutting that idea down because they didn't wanna pay for two different shades of orange paint for every figurine. I think Toei and Shueisha's insane greed is responsible for this one.

>>529806026
God jobbed to Beerus too. Beerus himself said he wasn't fighting seriously, and even if he was Goku still lost that fight.

>>529858381
>how many Caulifla, Kale, and Kefla units even are there? and how many of them were the star unit of a big event? putting them up against the main characters of the franchise who have 100 units worth of representation–and have been the stars of pretty much every event since the inception of the game–is kinda unfair. they're not even in the same weight class with regards to their representation in Dokkan.
There are multiple, there's a reason they aren't the stars of big events, the producers and namco has the data you retard.
>>529858509
see above.

Also Jiren and goku black are new characters too kek

>>529858664
nah, we were talking about Dokkan cause anon posted a list of popular Dokkan units. you're right about Legends though, and that's part of why i expect Dokkan has very few U6 girl units either.

>>529858954
>Their big events don't sell!
>No, they don't have any big events!
You're retarded.
>Also Jiren and goku black are new characters too
Yes and? I've said several times those two are THE most popular and the only DBS characters on your list.
>>529858986
>nah, we were talking about Dokkan cause anon posted a list of popular Dokkan units
Ah okay, my bad.

>>529858954
>There are multiple
more or less than 10?

>>529858509
bars. you're spitting.

>>529806026
i don't put much stock in Goku's ability to gauge this. DBS Goku is half-retarded. he couldn't remember his granddaughter's name or the Mafuba Seal–and i'm supposed to believe he can tell if Vegetto could fight Beerus? sure, buddy. lol

>STILL taking the gachafag seriously
More people read Goku x Vegeta yaoi than play gachashit
They are clearly true fans

>>529858743
>Toriyama is incompetent,
That's just an objectively false statement.
>>529859294
We need the DB SD author to guide us toward the truth.

>>529844000
Caulifla is in her 30s. Kale and Cabba are teenagers.

>>529859508
It's funny because it's fully possible with how saiyans age.

>>529859414
If someone find Toriyama incompetent, then there's literally nobody competent in the entire industry.

>>529859281
There are more than 10 but less than 20, and only 2/3rds of them have UR's that would make them competitively viable. So not much representation compared to Goku, Vegeta, Vegetto, and Gogeta. Vegetto and Gogeta by themselves probably have 12 UR variants each.

>>529856682
>>529857214
UGLYku. LAMEku. LOSERku. STINKu. More like..... GoPOO!

>>529858290
Goku's gi has never been a one piece, retard, have you ever read DB??

>>529859978
Jealous anon will never have this.

>>529858042
And how much is that in an actual system? I don't measure stuff by feet, sticks and cups like some prehistoric subhuman

>>529860151
I don't want that

>>529858427
Meh Kefla is pretty much just Caulifla but more. Which I guess it works in the manga since Kale was out of her mind and ko'd when she fused

I wish Forte got more love

>>529860480
Pull tail

>>529858884
That doesn't change the fact Goku achieved SSG and thought it was worth a shot unlike fusion. It doesn't matter if Beerus was a trillion times stronger, the fact the ritual was better remains

>>529860285
Sour grapes.

>>529860585
cease

>>529859832
>>529859414
I choose to think he meant in regards to sticking to a consistent palette because he does suck at it but is excellent at pretty much everything else

>>529859414
Toriyama spent his entire pre-2000's career writing with the bowling alley kiddy rails up, constantly getting course corrected by his editors and the anime producers who added a bunch of original content that wasn't in the manga. When they cut him loose and started letting him do whatever he wanted, we got lala prancing homo man Vegeta and Super Jobber Gohan, Time Rewinder Whis, Mafuba forgetting Goku, Zamusu (and the entire cosmology of Trunks' universe) getting annihilated because of Goku, the Tournament of Cap, the whole of Super Latino, and Daipa–complete with Temu Super Saiyan 4. Toriyama was a fucking hack who hit a lucky lick in 1980's–when the stiffest competition on the block was Fist of the North Star and Dragon Quest Adventures of Dai.

Toriyama might be Wilt Chamberlain for real. He may have played a 100-point game, but he was playing Mickeyball against a bunch of mail men. He wasn't playing against MJ, LeBron, and Kobe. lmao

>>529856783
>original saiyans
>bloodthirsty psychopaths
>kill entire planets because they think it's fun
>nappa was going to stomp gohan into a puddle of guts just so he could see the look on goku's face
>nu post-dbs saiyans
>just kryptonians that live in happy smurf villages
>only do bad things because freeza forced them to
>send goku on an escape pod to save him just like kryptonians did with superman, instead of sending a low class trash child off to a frontier world to exterminate it or die trying

I am dead fucking serious when I say that everything Toriyama made post-Z is garbage.

>>529860649
No I don't want ugly Goku
I don't want to be small and held in his arms
I would hate that especially

>>529860929
>>529860935
Please speak like a normal person.

>>529860981
He's give you a hug if you asked.
>>529860840
Given his reply right under yours, no, he is legitimately just retarded. That or he forgot his meds. Don't bother.

>>529860929
>When they cut him loose and started letting him do whatever he wanted, we got lala prancing homo man Vegeta and Super Jobber Gohan, Time Rewinder Whis, Mafuba forgetting Goku, Zamusu (and the entire cosmology of Trunks' universe) getting annihilated because of Goku, the Tournament of Cap, the whole of Super Latino, and Daipa–complete with Temu Super Saiyan 4.
you can actually see Toei and Shueisha realize in real time that Toriyama was bugging, because the anime and manga diverge pretty much immediately, and everything after the ToP was so mediocre that they won't even bother trying to salvage it.

>>529861126
ChatGPT having trouble translating those posts from English to Hindu for you? lmao

>>529807158
Still better than A17 going foreskin to foreskin with Blue

>>529859275
>>529859281
They released them as LR's multiple times, they flopped each time

pic related is cauflia LR which was released this year, may 2025. literally the lowest LR release. the revenue is compared with SSR (lower rarity) release months


https://dokkan.wiki/cards/1031221

the other one is the 15th version of broly LR. easy 30m+

>>529860480
All the Heroes avatars deserved more love. They are basically non-existent somehow.
>>529860401
It also works in the anime because Kale is clearly completely deferential to Caulifla.

>>529861126
Everyone that disagrees with you isn't the same person timmy-san

>>529860929
Im actually leaning to believe this after Super shitshow, i believed in him but i think he either went retarded or senile or toei is controlling the strings.

>>529861348
>>529861467
Everyone that speaks like you should start speaking like a normal person instead.

>>529860935
>>529856783
I would look up the pic of Bardock commiting genocide with a smile in DB Minus but I know you just want (You)s

>>529861415
At least Nico gets some attention

>>529860929
>>529861348
>>529861415
Reply to yourself 5 more times, I'm sure it'll convince you you didn't embarrass yourself with that take.

>>529860935
>I am dead fucking serious when I say that everything Toriyama made post-Z is garbage.
factual post, even his jaco nonsense is cringe

>>529861676
Nico sexo

>>529861676
It's such a shame you can't play an Artificial Human in XV2. The Heroes design were cool.
And yes, she's very cute.

>>529861782
Don't lewd her

>>529861846
Some day... when we get Xenoverse 3...

>>529861776
Are you just gonna reply to yourself again whenever someone point and laugh at your cringe posts? You're gonna be at it all week.
>>529861919
>Don't lewd her
Just for that, I'll lewd her ten times harder.

>>529861919
>Don't lewd her
Why not
I want to sexo da Nico

>>529861962
are you mentally ill?

Nico lewds others, like Note

>>529862059
You removed to many (you)'s, it should show the (you) of my replying to you. Little advice for next time you try that.

>>529862163
i don't have 4chanx you mentally ill person

>>529862139
YES
YES
PULL TAIL!
PULL! TAIL!

>>529862280
So you used something else inspect elements, same difference, you fucked up.

>>529862370
or occam's razor. We all have different opinions and can agree with eachother in some, like me agreeing post z is shit content?

what if Daima SS4 look is just how SS4 looks when you don't go Ozaru first and just generate monkeness on your own
like controlling Golden Ozaru power is just an easy way to go SS4 but if you do it without that you get the Daima appearance

Nicocute

>>529862502
>or occam's razor.
Occam's razor mean the simplest solution is the correct one, the simplest explanation for the most (you) in your screenshot is that you fucked up.
Notice the top right (you)? It's how it should look.

>>529862696
Are you fucking retarded man? I don't have 4chanx

>>529862059
>He really was samefagging.
First time I see a provably fake screenshot.

>>529862618
Nice feet.
>>529862139
The lack of feet is a shame.

>>529859508
>Hag
She needs cock desperately She WILL mellow out and become a barefoot housewife.

>>529861403
damn, nobody really cares about them huh

>>529862848
>>529862876
footfaggotry is not allowed

>>529862949
Footchadry is MANDATORY. Goku OUR HERO said so.

>>529862738
Good thing you don't need it for what you obviously did;

>>529862949
>doesn't know the meaning of a barefoot housewife

>>529863134
Turn it off and see how it looks faggot.
That's literally how 4chan looks in my end

>>529862905
>He changed topic to reply to himself on after losing
Sad

The multipliers talk from yesterday was better than this

>>529863301
If you turn off 4chan X, you shouldn't see that the post got replied to on the top right like that.
>>529863383
The multiplier talk was still ongoing today.

>>529863157
Who cares about the meaning? It's more feet and they better be nice.

>>529863498
you're a retarded faggot, go to your phone and create a post then reply to yourself and see

>>529859832
>there's literally nobody competent in the entire industry.
That's the current problem/

>>529863667
I just did and that's how it looks
>>529863692
>current
Literally nobody in the industry's history outside of maybe Tezuka can even claim to be competent if you consider Toriyama incompetent.

>>529863897
kek you're a such lying faggot.
imagine going to such lengths

>>529860632
Goku didn't know how strong God would make him when he said that line. He just assumed it would be enough because Beerus acted like it was.
I'm not disagreeing with the notion that God is more powerful than SSJ1 (at least) Vegito/Gogeta, we just don't know how much more powerful. We also don't know how SSJ2 or 3 Vegito or Gogeta would stack up because neither Vegito not Gogeta ever pushed themselves to that point. in Z they only went to 1, and in Super they both jump straight to Blue.

>>529863101
>>529863157
>>529863656
footfaggotry is forbidden. you will be sentenced to cement shoes.

>>529863897
DB fans need to have memes taken away from them, they always end up trying to use them non-ironically as an actual argument.
First it was 'Goku is a bad dad' then 'Vegeta was a hard worker' then 'Toriyama forgot' and now this.

>>529864150
Shoes? There are feet in those I heard. I'll just Goku to break them for me.

>>529864150
>>529863656
>"Barefoot housewife" can refer to two main things: a lifestyle choice and a figure of speech. In a lifestyle context, it describes someone who enjoys a simple, natural way of life, often connected to gardening and cooking with fresh, seasonal ingredients. In a figurative sense, it's a phrase that can carry negative connotations, often associated with traditional gender roles and the idea of women being confined to domestic duties
The phrase "barefoot housewife" has little to do with literal feet and more to do with submission.

>>529863897
>Toriyama incompetent
old toriyama was competent, but he was obviously guided hard by his editors (We wouldn't have gotten many iconic Z scenes if not for them).
Nu-Toriyama is incompetent yes.

>>529864182
>>529864329
Stop talking about your foot fetish.

>>529864329
My version is better.
>>529864413
No.

Giving Toriyama "yes men" was a really bad idea. People who never told him "dude, this idea is retarded, try again". Toriyama did really well with editors who constantly challenged him. They made the Cell Arc into the masterpiece it is today instead of being solely Androids 19 and 20.

>>529864003
You're just making it worse for yourself now.
>>529864353
>Incompetence is when you make your work bigger and more popular than ever before
You seem confused.

Cabba is for Pan though

>>529864549
>Giving Toriyama "yes men" was a really bad idea
That isn't what happened and literally everything you bitch about is something that was suggested to or asked from Toriyama.

>>529864549
>They made the Cell Arc into the masterpiece it is today instead of being solely Androids 19 and 20.
How do you know it wouldn't have been ever better that way?

>>529864661
It's very weird how people online make up weird headcanons about Toriyama.

>>529864569
>popular = good
>if more popular = gooder
okay you're an illiterate faggot. I guess harry potter and marvel are the masterpieces of all time.

>>529864549
>with editors who constantly challenged him.
The guy who complained about the Cell Saga stuff wasn't even his editor anymore, there was no challenge, Toriyama could have just ignored him with 0 pressure.
Toriyama is just a guy who's pretty open to feedback and agreeable on most points.

>>529864871
>You're illiterate because you took an objective metric for competence rather than my random personal taste.
If you can make a franchise bigger and more valuable, you are competent. Do you even know what being competent means?

>>529865038
Oh yeah. it was Torishima. He saw the reveal of Androids 19 and 20 then called Toriyama and personally told him "these things are fucking ugly change them now".

>>529864871
How the fuck else are you gonna measure the competence of a guy who's job is to make money with their IPs?
It's like saying a PR dude's competence shouldn't be judged by how successful his PR campaigns are.

>>529865183
>>529865283
I'll translate what this anon means when he says Toriyama is 'incompetent: 'Me no likey new thing. Toriyama bad!'.
That's literally it. There's no further logic.

>>529865183
>>529865283
By the quality of writing compared to his previous shit? Why are you fags comparing revenue in regards to quality?
In fact why are you even here? Pokemon games sell 30 million despite being made like trash with ps2 graphics, Does this mean they're more competent than Dark souls? Same goes for FIFA/COD, or in movies capeshit vs actual cinematic movies. you dumb faggots are unreal.

>>529862502
Don't bother. One of the /dbg/ regulars has aspergers and one of his delusions is that every poster who dislikes Super is the same person. He got bullied off /a/.

>>529864549
Yep. Pretty much ruined any chance DBS had at being good.

>>529865451
The guys who market Pokemon and handle their sales are competent, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Nobody ever claimed they were incompetent. They are great at their jobs, like Toriyama.

>>529865451
>By the quality of writing compared to his previous shit?
So something subjective you have a problem with and I don't?

>>529865515
Yeah I get him chimping out at me often. I knew he was one guy as he always chimps when I criticize anything about Super for some reason.

Neutral third party here: This place has bad schizophrenia. Lots of both corporate shill and people who hate everything new.

>>529837780
>>529840554
Chouni mf

>>529865515
>>529865686
>/dbs/ reject is still mad he was forever branded as having been bullied out of /a/ and no amount of no u ever got the stigma off
You're fooling nobody.

>>529865665
Same goes for marketingDB. not the quality of its writing. Goku being a retard and super dogshit writing compared to Z is the biggest proof.
>>529865679
Yes, Art is subjective you faggot.
Dark souls > all the last 10 pokemons and marios despite selling 100x less.
If you want to be popularityfagging, go play pokemon, Dragon ball is unpopular unknown literal who IP compared to it. It even has its own board on 4chan. It's "objectively" better and competent than DB

>>529865686
>For some reason, when I repeat dumb shit from twitter about Dragon Ball in this thread, everyone instantly tells me to fuck off because they like DB and I'm wrong
Maybe it's because you're not welcome here and clearly don't fit in?

>>529865887
>Yes, Art is subjective you faggot
But competence isn't. So Toriyama is competent and your whining was irrelevant.

>>529865951
Nobody who actually likes DB encourages the utter garbage that is DBS.
And no, I';m staying here. Fuck off.

>>529865887
A franchise can't be 'competent', ESL-kun.

>>529866032
>Nobody that disagree with my twitter sperging likes DB
That was a pathetic attempt at a no u.
>I'm staying!
So you know you're not welcome and don't fit in, good.

>p-plesae like dbs please please please

>>529866032
>Fuck off.
Make me, bitch.

>>529866292
And yet here you are, talking about DBS for hours. Tsundere anon.

And we've reached the schizo part of the debate where both sides call the other /dbs/ rejects

>>529866383
You're literally the only one who mentioned /dbs/, we're talking about the show, take your meds.

>>529866383
>He mixed up the show DBS with /dbs/

>>529865846
only someone who actually got bullied off /a/ would be this obsessed with projecting at others...

>>529860480
Brownfu

>>529861403
DBS bro??? no counter argument?

>>529866636
Glad you could be this self-aware.

>>529866714
Here's your pity (you).

Where are the (You)'s? Where is the samefag?

Wow, you damn apes are still on this?

>>529866832
>Phoneposter
Ew. Whoever you were arguing with, I'm siding with them.

>>529866649
>>529866832
Only good comment in that screenshot

>>529867046
>Where are the (You)'s?
All mine.
>Where is the samefag?
In your mirror would be my guess.

>you damn apes

>>529867127
Your waifu is SHIT.

>>529867065
Petitioning for /dbg/ to become /shonen games general/, so we can talk about Rebirth of Souls and All's Justice, and stop circlejerking DBM and retreading power level debates like a bootleg /a/ thread.

>>529867313
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

>>529867065
tone it with the racism, bro

>>529867391
No. Make your own general. Comeback when your franchises get CaC games and maybe we'll negotiate.

>>529867398
YOU KNOW THE TRUTH, SHE'S A SHIT JUST LIKE GOKU!

>>529867468
Single player the CaC game BTW, none of that Naruto live service shit.

>>529867468
Half the game discussions in this thread are about Sparking, Fusions, and gacha games though? Xenoverse discussion is like 1/7th of the pie chart, along with fan game discussion, recycled power level debates, GT vs Super bickering.

>>529867391
no fuckoff faggot
I only care about DB and want to discuss DB

>>529867391
That'll attract more autism from those other /a/ generals, lol.
Trust me, you don't want to be scooched in with anyone from /ramen/ and /bnhag/ (yes i made up these nicknames)

>>529867541
You speak only lies

Could your OC or CaC beat Lord Perfection?

>>529867784
Okay, this is hot. I take it back.

>>529867840
Yeah, she even beat up Super 17
Made him cry too

>>529867732
>Half the game discussions in this thread are about Sparking, Fusions, and gacha games though?
Against my will too.
>recycled power level debates,
The multiplier talk was actually pretty new, I never saw it in /dbg/ before. Especially the pixel illustration.

>>529867840
Mine could beat in with one finger in base

>>529867983
>she
Would she be able to resist his charm tho?

>>529868114
Yeah
She even resisted Goku's charms, and Goku looks way better

>>529867840
I wish we got skimpy outfits like that in games. Last time we got anything close was the XV2 swimsuits and we never got more.
>>529868181
Goku is indeed very cute.

>>529867750
I don't believe it could actually get any worse than the retarded ass shit that's flooded half this thread (and last one.) I'm only even suggesting it because the quality of discussion is at all time low.

>>529868294
So she could win
And then make him cry
Like with Super 17

>>529868347
>because the quality of discussion is at all time low.
Newfag moment. We used to be like 90% thread bumping before Sparking 0 was announced / released.

>>529868536
Optimiatic thread bumping was better than this stagnant shitflinging.

>>529868482
>Like with Super 17
But he's invincible when he's Super 17!

>>529868683
That's what he said when he started crying.

>>529868628
Shitflinging was literally the remaining 10%.
>>529868112
>>529867983
What are they called? Would be funny if it's CaCs I recognize.

>>529868834
It's been a long time since I last played, honestly.

>>529869052
She's very cute

>>529869156
She's also very strong.

>>529869052
>>529869260
smol monke

>>529869260
I really like the tiger skin

>>529869052
Nice armpit.

If Iyoku wins the rights dispute, we might legitimately see a Sun Wukong form. Since he tends to try and give to the fans what he sees as having a lot of demand.
It would be easy to justify too, just having Goku mix the God forms with SSJ4 to get some kind of Divine Monkey form.

>>529868294
why does caulifla have a monoboob?

>>529869913
If only...

>>529869929
How the hell would I know? I didn't draw it.

>>529869260
>>529869052
What vegetable is her name based off of?

>>529867391
for what little it's worth, i agree with you and am going to keep posting about the new MHA game as more news comes out about it. regardless of if anyone interacts or not.

>>529869913
corny

>>529870745
Lima beans. Also called sieva beans.

>>529859508
Source?

>>529870914
What?

>>529870982
Ligma bean?

>>529871223
everything? the whole post was corny.

>>529871130
my headcanon, which also States Caulifla is a female paedophile who aggressively pursues little boys

My headcanon is that auntie Caulifla taught Pan how to tingle her back

>>529871647
What are you even trying to say?
>>529872050
>>529871735
Based

>>529870982
Fuckk. My OC is named after Lima (Literally "Lima") beans too. It seems I am not very creative.
Not a Xenoverse character it's just a character who has been floating in my head for a while.

>>529872050
Pan is better as a housewife who cannot transform.
How would Caulifla/Kale interact with Goku's/Bejitas families?

>>529874280
Chichi would probably treat them like the daughters she never had

>>529874280
Stop pushing your foot fetish.

>>529875641
my headcanon is that Caulifla is U6 Kakarot's daughter. he died in some battle when she was really young so she doesn't remember him, and therefore doesn't recognise Goku.

>That bulma ad was reanimated
so what's stopping Toei from going for that gritty 90's look instead of the plastic shit they put out?

>>529879229
Money, art direction, staff wrangling, senority, lots of things.

>>529879229
They don't want this series to succeed because of oda bribing them.

Oda would want Dragon Ball to succeed, he's the third biggest fanboy of the series working at Jump

Oda was corrupted. He wants his shitty scribbles masquerading as a manga to succeed at all costs. He bribes people with material he obtained from his good friend Watsuki.

>>529867840
to say the least, I was surprised when I got the notification for the follow

Test

>>529867737
i dunno. /coopg/ seems to get along pretty fine as a thread that primarily revolves around Darktide, but also serves as a space for discussion of other PvE co-op games. i don't see why shonen games couldn't have something similar.

>>529879229
Toei and Shueisha won't pay for it unless we wait for One Piece to end. they seem to struggle with keeping both series' heads' above water at the same with regards to animation.

>>529867737
i dunno. /coopg/ seems to get along pretty fine as a thread that primarily revolves around Darktide but also doubles as a place to discuss other PvE co-op games. i don't see why shonen games couldn't have something similar.

>>529879229
Toei and Shueisha won't pay for it unless we wait for One Piece to end. they seem to struggle with keeping both series' heads' above water at the same with regards to animation.

Kakarot with Faulconer mod is peak.

It's weird how every dragon ball game on steam loses 90% of its population before a year and never recovers.

>>529867065
Weaker than true zanpakuto Ichigo btw

>>529864090
Except Goku thought God was worth a try after achieving it AND SS forms are multipliers so by knowing how strong Vegito was Goku knows exactly how strong he would have been if he went SS3.
Goku thought SS3 Vegito wouldn't surpass X and yet he tasted God and said "wow this is a whole new world maybe X is in my range now", deal with it.

>>529884090
that's all anime games
and all games that aren't PVP focused

>>529877846
You and your headcanon are retarded and don't know how universes work in DB.

>>529857480
Nice, got the one where he does it for Broly?

Bra looks like THIS?

This plot is retarded. Literal unedited dialogue from the mastermind known as youngjiji

>>529884527
Retards don't understand the concept of finish a game and move on, they think everything has to be some lifeservice bullshit

>>529884525
he didn't know how strong a theoretical SSJ3 Vegito could be. All he had to go on was his own improvements. Vegito never pushed his limits during the duration of his existence, he just dicked Buu around to bait him into using absorption. it's pure conjecture on what Vegito's upper limits were beyond SSJ1. Goku was purely guessing when he said the line about Vegito not being strong enough. Beerus told him a only a SSG could do it, so he figured that's what he should aim for rather than waste time testing other shit.

Do we think Buu arc Vegetto is stronger than a hypothetical Buu Arc SSG Goku? How does Gotenks fit into all this seeing as he is a fusion too? It's a lot more consistent to believe God is over fusion.

>>529886359
Based and Correct. Kefla fodderizing SSG/SSB proved as much, despite not having any God Ki herself.

>>529886602
a Buu God Goku would wipe the floor with a base form and SSJ1 Vegito. the contention is just how strong SSJ2 and particularly SSJ3 Vegito would be. My guess is that a SSJ3 Vegito would be very close to God Goku in power, but in an actual fight God Goku would win simply because SSJ3 drains ki so fast that Vegito wouldn't be able to fight for long enough to make use of any extra power he's got.

Holy fucking tracing shit. The amount of very obvious traces has reached close to 10.

>>529887805
you're only supposed to read the arc with Gripi

>>529887068
Gotenks lasted a decent amount of time as SS3, so I don't think Vegetto would struggle that bad with it.

A fight between them would have both sides on a time limit, since if Goku got SSG from a ritual, then it wouldn't last... Well, unless he manages to do "Still somehow keep SSG's power when using Super Saiyan".

>>529885764
Youngjijii is not good at plotting...

>>529887805
Or drawing.

>>529888449
I think the paneling is decent. He follows most of Toriyama's examples. He uses too many reaction shots (but not as many as Toyo).

>>529888263
I am not a bitch so I am going to read the whole thing. I got tired of reading the Toyo manga and needed a quick pallette cleanser.

>>529887805
>JOBuub jobs again
Every. Time.

>>529886852
Just accept fusion gets a lot stronger mid Super for no real reason. Kefla's base is as strong as Goku's SSG despite the fusees together being inferior in equal/slightly superior forms.
That would be like base Vegetto being SSG level.

>>529889243
it's more the U6 saiyans are totally busted and overpowered. the meme of base Cabba demolishing every Z and GT villain exists for a reason

Who's supposed to be stronger? Controlled forms are meant to be stronger of course but with that size is Broly even using as much Ozaru power as he used in the movie?