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>First Card Set: Legends Rise
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>Gacha Leaders: Daria, Albert, Cerberus, Orchis
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https://youtu.be/6v2HeJ8aFig

>Battle Pass Leader: Nio
https://youtu.be/cvupavC88F0

>Worlds Beyond Trailer
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Shadowverse Evolve TCG
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>>529743658
>Inner circle posting
Nigger, we all just walked up and started talking one day, your social anxiety is the issue, not some secret club. Walk up and say "Hi" and quit using anime girls because there's no depth to your personality.

stop replying to the schizo you fucking retard

>>529746009 (OP)
dumb sexy JC

Free2play bros how we doing so far

>>529746112
>ruins his own art with a watermark ai can ignore anyways
why do artists do this

wow luna voice is so cute

I like making fun of retards. It's a nice break about people complaining about which craft is broken and the learned helplessness circlejerk instead of coming up with solutions.

>>529746009 (OP)
Eudie!

>>529746282
because artists are shit at business and are freaking out because some brainlet with a gpu can replace them.

>>529746354
Wait until you meet her mesugaki sister

abyssbros, how we feelin'?

I don't want to grind out my chests today bros...
I want to play Lamp but I'll just get molest by portal, rune and sword.

>>529746282
Because someone could use what you draw and profit from it using AI. Hell, there are even cases where WIP streams got AI'd

>>529746490
I still don't know why they released Abyss in this state where none of their cards on release benefit from being low HP but half of them cost HP to use.

>what I hear when playing puppet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1pEXh49lzyM

Why did they combine shadow and blood again?

>>529746584
similar to how rune got almost entirely spellboost support this expansion, abyss got almost entirely the shadow half of the deck this expansion. next will be much more blood flavored
at least, thats my cope

>>529746584
no worries dude, we got 4pp heal 2 with ceres

>>529746607
They wanted to nerf shadow by filling it with shitty blood cards because for some reason Shadowverse being literally Shadowverse in the first game was a bad thing.

time to post decks
...you DO have more than one deck, right?

>>529746607
Same flair. Also desu, vengeance doesn't need their own deck. Killing yourself and killing your own followers are pretty the same thing.

>>529746607
Blood's gimmic of being at half life is unusable with the current state of the game, so they removed it by adding most of its cards to shadow.

I SHOULD NOT BE IN TOPAZ
I'M BETTER THAN THIS
THIS GAME IS LITERALLY AGAINST ME

>>529746761
I made one deck for every class.

>>529746839
Blood was consistently one of the best decks in Unlimited in the first game idk why they call that unusable.

>>529746862
It's okay to be average. I feel that way being in sapphire.

okay I found a inconsistency in the shadowverse anime in episode one Hiro asks for onions sauce and salt but onions sauce already is really high in sodium so no person would put both onions sauce and salt on their rice and this was like the first 30 seconds of the show I don’t know if the writers are competent or not

I used to play Magic as my main game. But Magic fucking sucks now. Thankfully Shadowverse came out and now I can play that as my main game. I am so grateful I don't need to play Magic Arena anymore. Anyone know that feel?

>Esperanza without her mask

Updated the tracker, will use the same results folder, just added a better calendar and better file handling

https://files.catbox.moe/k81k0o.zip

>>529746261
Pretty shit. The vial changes need to be reverted more than anything else.

Waiting for that Alice who is probably right at the bottom my deck

>>529746490
>no 2 drop
>no 3 drop
>ceres in rune matchup
top left,sis

>>529746761
Well.....its kind of more than one.
Caught me in the middle of things.
By the way use my invite code please.
yxd7ZuJ

>>529746979
WotC stopped giving a shit years ago and killed the competitive scene. These days they only care about milking whales and printing EDH support.

>>529746979
magic died when they started doing crossover bullshit

>>529746282
so they can sue if shit goes to their favor.
nobody can prevent piracy but once in a blue moon, some of them are beyond fucked and smaller industry follow the bandwagon and get their own slice of pie

>>529746282
brown post

>>529746490
That's a Full House.

Will they make the same mistake as Wonderland Dreams this time or will they try to balance the game towards later win conditions in the long term?
Personally I really hope it's the latter.

I really don't know how to improve.

>>529747304
>>529747409
Magic died when they created planeswalker cards. The corpse has just been rotting since then.

>Stall till turn 10
>Get otk'd
Impressive anti-sword deck dragonbro

>>529747898
If he had Otohime you would've lost. He bricked.

>>529747781
Credit card + play only tier 1 decks

>>529747759
They need to just give every single class an alternate win condition if they are going to let Portal and Rune have them.

>roach v sword
>no glade by t5
I just concede right?

>>529747759
Wonderland was the most fun and best state this game ever was, also the best art direction with an high amount of cute little girls

>>529747880
do elaborate

>>529747781
Watch your replays and count mistakes.

>>529747898
>Look how fucking good by playing the strongest deck in the game against the worst deck in the game

>>529747458
unfortunately a certain bill has a clause to make AI untouchable for ten years.

>>529747880
do not elaborate

>>529748046
nah you can do shenanigans with riri

>>529748095
First set was fun, but everything changed when the Daria nation attacked.

I spent all game clearing swordtard's minions only for them to draw and play 3 of this stupid card

>>529747898
>Looks guys, I beat the worst deck in the game

I want my revelation back

>>529748227
I lost the one lily I drew by playing her for tempo on t2 (hand was choked on godwoods)

Coming back to this deck after 50 or so abyss matches is pretty crazy

>>529746761
I could make Dragon but I don't feel like crafting 3 Fortes. I also hate Dragon.

>>529746862
You are there for a reason. The good news is that you don't have to stay there.

I miss my beautiful wife...

>>529748253
>gets cleared by a 3pp neutral evo and a dozen of other cards

>>529748154
I don't see portal nor haven in that pic

>>529748425
Lamp and Portal are equally as bad unfortunately.

whats with all the chinese account skipping in emerald

>>529748425
Ramp Dragon is objectively the shittiest deck in the entire game. Dragon is slightly better than Haven because Face Dragon. Ramp Dragon is wasting multiple turns playing bad cards to hit an endgame that does not have an actual powerspike because ramp dragon does not have a proper high cost card that is good.to justify ramping towards.

>>529748369
>just use your evos bro :)

>>529748530
Lamp and Haven, I'm retarded.

>>529748154
>strongest deck
he's not playing sword though

>>529748425
Runenigger really think like this

>>529748570
If Haven had a single board clear before 5pp it'd be the best deck in the game.

do your chests bwos

>>529748669
lol
lmao

Really excited about the Worlds Beyond Unkilling archetype

>>529748570
>hard loses to aggro
>hard loses to actual control decks with actual wincons
>doesn't even consistently win midrange match-ups
How the fuck are they going to make this deck viable next expansion.

>>529748347
mt ambient vs spasm is a fucking tune, any other song recs in the same vein?

>>529748253
that card should be a haven card

why is dimension climb allowed to work with Satan

>>529748030
>His entire deck hinges on spamming 3pp 2/2 storm
So its shit then, I'm aware.
>>529748154
>>529748319
I'm not playing portal though, also here's a pic of me bullying another loser.

>>529746761
Paypigged but could barely make these decks

Ramp Dragon is like if artifact portal had an extra 1pp tax on all their cards but also there was no Allouette, Ralmia, or Gundam. You are just getting worse cards because theoretically the mechanic might be good one day.

>>529748669
apollo? retard?

>>529748934
I never said you're playing the best deck.
I just posted a smug anime girl because you're bragging about beating the defacto worst deck in the game.

>just noticed groups are a thing
>still limited to 30 people like guilds
this shit is retarded would have been cool if we could have big 100 or 200 person /svg/ groups

>>529748934
aragavy + razory claw is lethal on you btw

>sword opponent
>start 1st
>sword opponent
>start 1st
>sword opponent
>start 1st

>>529748925
Dimension Climb is massively nerfed from Dimension Shift. Satan is one of the only cards it works with so I'll give them that for one or two expansions.

>>529748993
You're not clearing shit with Apollo.

>>529748963
Don't forget no Sylvia

>>529746009 (OP)
Jesus christ. Why is the grand prix so retarded? You could only enter 2 times? If you want to participate more, better hand over those golderinos or dollaroos? It's like all that hype building goes to nothing because fuck you and your non meta fun decks.

>>529748729
okay (gets 150 vials for the 6th time)

>>529748253
>swordfags will downplay this bitch

Did they nerf the chest spawn rate? I was getting them pretty consistenly but since yesterday I've wasted more than 2 hours searching for all of them. Fucking pain in the ass game.
And no I don't surrender games

We did it

>>529749329
wait grand prix is out?

>>529746979
Yeah, I'm still doing some dailies in Arena because of sunk cost but I've gone from 10 to 4 and the yoke is getting loose.

i wonder if the anon whose code i used is still playing, but i finally hit A0 so you can now claim your rupies

How do we save Ramp.

what even is the skill expression in this game? starting from ruby, everyone just plays pretty similarly

>>529748253
This card is insane because unless you're Dragoncraft and have a Twilight Dragon in hand or you're another Swordnigger and have the same card in hand, it's pretty much impossible to answer her in one card - she requires using multiple cards to clear. This means that playing multiple of her back to back is never a bad idea as it drains the enemy of answers, and you can win off of the back of just that. A completely braindead way of getting a huge amount of card advantage over your enemy.

>dropped to ruby
Keeping diamond with abyss after A rank is the hardest shit, My one favorable matchup is Rune and they draw the nuts more often than not, and after that it's all sword and portal. Just grim, man.

>>529749679
we need a draconic fevor and dragon nest

I have been playing the game for over a week now on both PC and mobile. I am not F2P as I paid $200 for my first deck. Initially, the economy seems to be very bad (500 gold pack price, lower vial from liquefying silvers, and, critically, no liquefy first 3 copies). I thought it would sucks so bad as a F2P player or a low-spender. One week ahead, I changed my mind. The economy is fine and I can enjoy many good decks. In my current opinion, the only thing that need change is the no liquefy first 3 copies rule.

I am not the luckiest player (no 100 packs key jackpot) and neither I do any reroll. Just straight up normal player that buys all crystal package, plus battle pass. Currently, I have 2 top tier, pretty much fully upgraded decks (puppet portalcraft and artifact portalcraft, 3 if you include hybrid). I also have enough vials from extra cards to upgrade my half-baked decks into good viability (ramp dragon, midrange sword, aggro abyss). The only classes where I don't have enough resources to even make half-baked decks are runecraft and havencraft, in which both have very expensive top tier decks (I am absolutely fine with this, F2P players and low-spenders aren't supposed to have everything). Finally, I have around 7000 gold that I save for next expansion (that is still growing everyday) as I am satisfied enough with my current collection.

So far so good. I am having a blast with this game and I have variety of viable decks. So, what happens that suddenly change my mind and my perspective on the economy? It turns out that the economy is REALLY supported by the freebies that Cygames give (Daily packs, park keys, events, events, events (many of them), bonus packs from here and there, and recently, 3 free legendary packs). So, as long as Cygames keep pumping up these freebies, I think the economy is going to be fine.

As much as I hate the no liquefy first 3 copies rule (and expensive cosmetics lol), I can't give the game negative review anymore.

>>529749679
Reprint Sahaquiel. Also buff Dragonsign to always draw, not just at 10pp.

Honestly I’m just having a lot of fun with this game and wanted to post something positive about it after seeing all the negative reviews.

I’ll freely admit that I’m not a FTP player, but I haven’t spent a ton (only $200) and I’m really enjoying the fast-paced experience and play styles so far.

I’ve never played the original Shadowverse so I’m not doing a direct comparison here. I will say however that compared to the CCGs/TCGs I’m used to (Hearthstone, MTG including physical) the cost here really doesn’t seem out of line from what I’m accustomed to with this genre. Again, not comparing to the original, just the experience of a totally new player.

I was going to wait longer to write a post like this so I could speak with more gameplay experience, but I have a few decks built with reasonable success and am having a ton of fun, and because I almost didn’t start this game because of some of the negative posts I wanted to write from my experience to encourage other new players to try it out!

Good luck out there all!

>>529749493
did my wife cinnamon carry you guys

Ramp needs like an amulet that costs 1 that counts down from 3 for 1 bonus pp or something

>>529749679
2pp Dragon Oracle and give Twilight Dragon Aura.

>>529749686
I'm a shitter and every time I drop to Ruby I immediately go on a massive winstreak straight back to Sapphire. There is a difference somehow

>>529746009 (OP)
NO FUCKIGN WAY

>>529749329
>he still haven't pulled a single free gran prix ticket from park chest
skill issue

Spellboost, ramp, reanimate, handless invoke, and all other PP cheat are cancer

>>529746761
I wish I had orchis, drei doesn't fit the aesthetic of a puppet deck at all

>>529749163
you mean sword goes first? or you

>>529749686
>what even is the skill expression in this game
The credit card

>>529749686
There isn't much right now, rune wins based on what they have on hand, your input isn't necessary. Sword is the inverse, you either draw an answer or don't. Portal theoretically has skill expression choosing its options but in practice its card quality is so far above every other class besides the top 2 that decision-making doesn't really come up much.

>have Roach built
>too stressed by quick roach math and tired of misplaying or bricking
>build and play Sword
>go 6-0 in a short amount of time stress-free while Always Having Good Cards against multiple classes
this is so fucking stupid lol why didn't I do this sooner

>>529749696
yes, if Sword manages to grind you out of your evos then bombs like Amalia outvalue what most other classes can produce. but if you ever need more than one card to clear at least her then you got hoe'd by either failing to account for when she would arrive or drawing like shit

>>529749928
2pp Dragon Oracle would be absolute cancer unless the +1pp button is removed. Can you imagine Dragon going second using +1pp Dragon Oracle turn 1, then Dragon Oracle + removing your 2-drop with the 1 free pp turn 2?

>>529748729
>Gets 100 rupees after losing for 30 minutes
Wow, I sure feel rewarded!

>>529749679
Longterm. It's impossible.
Just abandon overflow as a mechanic.

Saw this on the park telly lmao

>go second in rune mirror
>lose
yeah turn 10 decks are ass

>>529750063
Roachbros...

>>529749750
do you have a deck for abyss

>>529749471
They 100% did. 3 hours in and only got 4/5. I give up, these nips are really retarded and making me want to drop the game

>>529750074
>yes, if Sword manages to grind you out of your evos then bombs like Amalia outvalue what most other classes can produce. but if you ever need more than one card to clear at least her then you got hoe'd by either failing to account for when she would arrive or drawing like shit
Most crafts don't have any cards that can clear her in one card, period, and their only option is committing multiple cards to clear her.

>>529750091
All the top decks are also cancer in their own way. Only way to keep up is also being cancer in your own way.

>>529750063
How can you get stressed by Roach math it's so easy?

>>529749928
>>529750091
They pretty obviously changed Dragon Oracle to 3pp because they don't want Ramp to be obnoxious again. They won't lower it back to 2, especially when the goal is making other versions of Dragon viable. Currently if you spend turn 3 on Oracle you can't summon Otohime guard, it's a tradeoff. If you could Oracle on t2 and Guard on t3 you will very quickly overwhelm your opponent.

Play forest

>>529750150
x3 Cerb + x3 Olivia + x3 Medusa + x3 Aragavy + autofill the remainder

>>529750207
Phildau

>>529750131
Going second in Rune mirror is coining Coc on turn 9 and dclimbing and hoping you can pull double silent riders into another dclimb

>>529750312
Phildau clears 2 of the 5 bodies on board. The remaining 3 bodies kill you together with Albert next turn. Gg wp.

>>529750165
>>529749471
They didn't nerf them I had trouble the first 2 days with chest spawns. I figured out just tanking games causes them to spawn so I just make sure I lose 1-2 times after every chest.

high octance gameplay

wow nice 8 game winstreak I was on until I queued into rune

>>529749686
I'm like 50% winrate in ruby. I promoted to sapphire once and instantly lost 10 games in a row. There is difference within the tiers.

>>529750365
but it cleared her, anon. it cleared her

>>529746761
Portal is not real, and elf is missing copies of some golds, so in the end I only play these.

>>529750251
They should probably just abandon the archetype entirely.
It's too hard to make good without being aids.

>>529750356
funny enough I did this today
>double silent riders
you can only play one because 6pp, need to dclimb for the second

>>529750427
It doesn't count as clearing her unless you clear all the 18/14 stats worth of bodies she spawns.

>>529750368
I did that in the first days too and it worked. But not anymore. Lost 8 times in a row and no chest. Yesterday had to win 3x for the chest to finally appear. Today I didn't even bothered. Shit event

>>529750365
And the remainder of your 6-7 PP? Surely it's spent on something proactive that isn't useless?

>less grandprick entries per event
More playerbase genocide...

>>529750453
idunno, it's easy to make ramp good by just turning it into a lategame deck that just hits lategame earlier rather than a midrange deck that will overrun you on turn 4. letting the opponent play is the only thing you need to make ramp not be aids, and currently the only thing missing from making it viable is decent lategame options that don't require your evo points. just bringing Bahamut back would probably do the trick.

>>529750370
How did you take a screenshot of my screen
Literally the same shit over here, even their cards are the same

>>529750251
Except you wont overwhelm your opponent because 90% of what dragon has is tied to evolution and outside of Forte and Otohime everything that doesn't require an evolution is fucking dogshit. Dragon cant combo 10pp into some crazy high value move because they are paying an extra tax on their cards like Garyu just being objectively worse than Kuon in every single way while costing more.

>>529750629
nice 'events', shadowbabs. im sure they are all worth your time

what is rune's winning image like?
from reading cards its seems it either aims to win via noble/satan finisher or simply overwhelming with value.
the former seems more common since a good bit of decks don't get online until turn eight
the latter seems a bit too rng for my liking despite being easier to play.

>>529750657
Yeah all the stuff you describe is just release set problems. It's not an issue with Ramp as a playstyle there just aren't enough good cards to make use of the extra pp you get. I don't think they need to make any major changes besides releasing new shit.

I'm going on win streaks in AA Diamond bros, I think I finally got gud

>>529748887
pretty pls anon I love jungle breakbeat & breakcore

>>529750583
My entire point is that she can't be answered in one card by most crafts, and if you don't answer her, you lose the game.
This fundamentally means that playing her is almost never a bad idea, even multiple times back to back, and just doing that can win you the game as you drain your enemy of cards in hand while spending only one card per turn yourself.
It's a retarded card design and sane card games either avoid printing or just ban cards like this. Case in point, MtG just banned Cori-Steel Cutter primarily because it can't be answered in one card and thus generates too much card advantage.

yeah no this game is 100% rigged

>>529750294
Really the early-mid game cards are so bad besides Ceres and the legendaries your big deckbuilding question is whether or not to rely on Darkseal for card draw (it kills you) or on Ding Dongs dying (otherwise worthless).

>>529750629
>attempts per stage, not per day
Seriously regretting even the $20 I've spent on this game, this is so jewish it's going to start reading the talmud at me.

>>529750723
You just vomit free cards at the opponent until they die.
If you hit turn 10 somehow you Satan shift or Kuon.

>>529748135
idk what counts as a mistake though

>>529750723
Basically spot on except in the case of forest where the overwhelming with value strategy happens a lot more often because they don't have access to good board clear.

>>529749471
I noticed too. Today was hell to get every chest

>>529750745
Surely Cygames will print good cards and not repeat what they did in the first shadowverse.

albert is pretty cool bros...

>>529749679
believe in her

>>529750251
>How can you get stressed by Roach math it's so easy?
I'm stupid?

>>529750629
>YFW when not even set 2 where launch income will be all gone yet

>>529749471
Same thing over here

>>529751015
>doesn't fuck the Levin girls

>>529750629
I like this because now I'm not forced to play GP every single day even if I already qualified for A. They should rather hand out more tickets that you can use whenever.

>>529750723
cocytus is your stable wincon
if you win off of tempo you got lucky
kuon into kuon is also possible but why do that when you can just cocytus

>>529751052
holy shit it's OVER over

>Play Noah with my own Liam on board
>He spergs out
Relax bro, we're all on the same team here.

I really, REALLY wish you could see your opponent's cards/mulligan in replays. Makes no sense to me that you can't.

>>529751052
their generous rewards killed the game

>>529751196
>>529751196
just wait for shadoba 3 bro

>>529751196
They are hiding japanese played favoritism

>>529751090
Albert's fanbase are 100% east Asian women. They would lose their shit if you ruin their husbando, or fujo ships.

>>529751015
are you a sis

Portal is currently a perfect strong but balanced deck. When you lose, it's because you got outplayed

>>529750629
We get less free daily entries but there's this at least. Shadowverse 1 had this mission too but never for regular GPs IIRC.

>>529751285
If Orchis wasn't so overtuned I'd actually agree with this bait.

Ehehehe...

>>529751285
How do I become as delusional as you.

>>529751303
Yes you get 6 total compare to getting daily in SV for 10 days

>>529746009 (OP)
>Play Haven with just 5 Leggos (3 Salefa, 2 Jeanne)
>Runetranny gets all three Anne & Grea, DClimb and Kuon.
>I never see my second Jeanne
>I lose by 1 life to the retarded Kuon>Climb>Kuon 21 damage shinigami bullshit.
I legit want to cry.

>>529749679
They should be the strongest class when they reach overflow instead of getting folded by dshit shenanigans

when will someone make a program where you input your forest hand and it automatically calculates the maximum damage?

>>529750772
>Case in point, MtG just banned Cori-Steel Cutter primarily because it can't be answered in one card
just looked it up
retarded comparison, it's a fucking 2 mana card

Is 40k rupees for next expansion overkilll or can i maybe spend 10k on the current one

>>529751384
I think it's 8 in SV1 and GP is also shorter now, it's only 3 days per stage.

>>529751418
That would require Rune and Portal to be balanced correctly.

>>529751449
>retarded comparison, it's a fucking 2 mana card
In a format where games often lasted 3-4 turns. 8 mana cards aren't very playable there.

>>529751418
Meanwhile the biggest thing they get from overflow right now is turning their gay dragons buff from +2/+2/ into +3/+3

>>529751481
80 rolls are nothing bro.

>>529751481
>overkill
lmao

>>529751052
Holy cow if they manage to JP corpo autism their way into a collapse from the biggest card game launch of the decade it will be terribly sad. Here's hoping the next xpack has some more content.

>>529750629
Just get GP tickets from the park chest, you could get them since launch

>>529751481
That's still only 8 guaranteed legendary cards

>>529751285
Because it's stupidly straightforward and doesn't have insane reach. If you keep pressure up it runs out of gas, it doesn't have an OTK or insane reach, and other classes have better turn 9/10 wincons. Puppets becomes strong turn 8 and...just stays the same and then fizzles out.

>>529751481
There's a very easy way to ensure you get all the cards you want kind sir.

>>529749679
>ramp
>go first
>cukced by +2pp
>cucked by super evo
It doesnt help that most high cost dragon need super evo to work. The game is rigged from the start, it's over for JO bros.

What would make this game have a better lifespan than the first game? Besides a lack of competitors nowadays

>haven mirror
>whoever draws lapis first win
i don't think this semen slurping game is for me bwos....

>>529751694
If anything I expect it to have a shorter lifespan. EOS in 2-3 years as everyone leaves due to the p2w monetisation.

>>529751574
Better director and company

>>529750772
dear god...it takes multiple smaller PP cards to answer a larger PP bomb...who could have predicted this... again, if you get into a grindfest with Sword not accounting for Amalia on T8 then you fucked up before you even loaded into the match. make it awkward to drop her in the first place or save your best answers to counter. if you don't have said answers, your deck is shit. if you didn't draw them, you lost to variance just like any of the other thousands of times this happens against every other craft. bloo hoo hoo hoo

>>529751694
Fix the economy and balance their game.

>>529751694
The first game lasted a pretty long time I'd be surprised if this one lasts that long. I hope it does though, I really like the gameplay loop of Shadowverse and I feel they improved the game a ton.

im getting raped in diamond
does the 3rd orchis/miriam/sylvia really make that much of a difference or am i just bad

>>529750723
In this game you die before you run out of cards, value in hand is a meme.

>>529750772
>because it can't be answered in one card
>what is temporary lockdown

>>529751817
>if you don't have said answers, your deck is shit.
As I said, most crafts don't have a 1-card answer to Amalia, period. You can't have them in your deck because there is no card that cleanly answers her that you could even theoretically put in your deck.

>>529751840
depends on your current rank, in A below ? its fine, in >AA+ ? you're fucked if you dont have a complete deck

Do you think they'll show us who the next battle pass leader is? Or what the next group of leaders will be, if any, for the new card set? I'm still debating if I want to get the current one or not. Don't really give a shit about Nio so it feels like a waste, but I maxed it out so I feel like I should just grab it.

>>529751878
One single deck can answer Cori-Steel Cutter in one card that costs more mana than Cori-Steel Cutter while the decks that run Cori-Steel Cutter aim to kill you by turn 3. Waow.

>>529751942
It's probably the another homo is story so..

That's right. This chest is mine now.

>>529751939
yeah i just completed the aa0 trial and instantly went on a 6 loss streak to sapphire

>>529752008
Please no...

>>529751942
The next battle pass leader is probably Fyra, the adult homo robot from the story. The next group of leaders for the new card set isn't fully known yet, but we know it will include Filene.

>>529751902
It's a 3-deck meta essentially. The original Shadowverse did end up having this problem where tier 2 decks were so far away from tier 1 that running anything but the top of the meta was masochistic, but it took a long time to get to that point. WB achieved it in the very first set.

>>529751902
>NOOO I CAN'T ANSWER AN 8PP CARD WITH JUST ONE CARD LOWER VALUE CARD NOOOOOO
You're either a salty Roachnigger or a retarded Portalfaggot who literally forgot that Amalia existed before choosing to obviously telegraph your Orchis drop the entire match. Actual objective skill issue.

>>529752028
everyone on AA already minmax their deck, so no matter how good you're, incomplete deck going to fuck you hard

>>529751838
They made a Switch game with the mechanics of SV1, you play NPCs and there's a campaign and stuff.

>>529752096
Damn, I think I'm just going to hold onto my crystals them if it's going to be him after Nio. Hopefully they show off some more nice leaders for the new set. Thanks for the info.

I'm a full NEET since launch and I only have 200 wins on my class. How the hell are these people hitting 1k? And no it isn't a win rate thing, I'm in diamond.

>>529752115
You guessed wrong, I am neither. Though it's an objective fact that Amalia is insanely good against roach decks. If you play her, then unless they have the god hand, they have no way to win and may as well scoop.
But it's not the only matchup where she's oppressive. I'd argue she's the best swordnigger card, better than any of their legendaries.

>>529751902
why is every craft supposed to have a 1 card answer to any other craft's late game high-investment bomb again? are you under the impression that SV has been or ever will be designed without cards that check/counter a few other crafts?

Most honest game

>swordtard downplaying hours

thoughts? TopazGOD btw

>>529752102
This is what's burning me out rn.
I'm not interested in Sword, Portal or Rune so the game is unplayable once my opponents stop being mindless drones and can pilot their decks.

Amelia is pretty retarded but it's 8pp so yeah, you probably can clear her turn 8 but beyond that you can basically consider her a wincon if they stalled you out of resources. This is why it's nice to just be able to drop mysteriafag or dclimb into random bullshit go

>>529752297
1 bayle
2 double fairy
3 may
4 carbuncle
and now roach is free to hit your face

>>529752358
3 Carb necessary imo bushfucker is OK vs sword meh against everything else and too expensive, Beast Tamer hidden good

>>529752358
fellow forestbros here, i wont use any legend beside Olivia tbqh

>1.5m pre-registrations
>still takes 2 weeks to hit 2m downloads
What the fuck happened?

>>529752270
Kill yourself repulsive faggot, using any of these 2 should be punished with beheading

>>529752345
I fucking love downplaying literally whatever craft you autistic losers are currently whining about. You literally CAN'T resist providing (You)s.

Why yes, my favorite craft is ___.

>>529752332
>swordniggers unironically think that playing a single card with 0 preparation required for it is high investment

>>529752405
oh wait nm I meant the 8pp shit, the 6pp if whatever. And technically it is 8pp since its strongest play is luminous mage anyway.

>forest deck is almost complete
>but if I want to play forest I have to spend an extra 1k to get rid of the faggot

Is it worth it?

>>529752496
Downplay Dragon and Forest next I'm curious how you'll do it.

>>529750063
People up-play roach a lot because when Roach is high rolling, it fucking high rolls well. However, not only are you MORE prone to bricking than Rune, but it also takes a lot of skill to see the paths available to you.

>>529751510
>games often lasted 3-4 turns
haven't played that shitgame in a couple years but something tells me you're bullshitting. maybe there was some kind of a cheesy way to get a turbo aggro solitare win once in a blue moon (similar to how face dragon does it here), but if that turbo aggro is present in the metagame then people are teching against it

>>529752489
>Rupie galore
Biggest fault ads ever

>>529752452
>you just need to have this extremely specific combination of 5+ cards to answer one swordnigger card, so it's fair :^)
Waow.

>>529752572
are you seriously want to play as a pajeet instead of cute elf ?

>nonwhites still play stall in lobby matches

>>529752572
Wait for cuter Forest leader.

>>529752616
It was that bad. Magic is also just an incredibly fast game with turn 4 or 5 combos that exodia the opponent.

>>529752616
>haven't played that shitgame in a couple years but something tells me you're bullshitting. maybe there was some kind of a cheesy way to get a turbo aggro solitare win once in a blue moon (similar to how face dragon does it here), but if that turbo aggro is present in the metagame then people are teching against it
MtG standard became a 3-4 turn format once BLB came out, with that being the usual turns aggro decks aim to win on. That's when I quit because it was too fucking cancerous as the entire MtGA ladder was hyper fast aggro and turn 3-4 poison counter OTK combo decks.

>>529752489
>rupies galore event
>btw this is worth less than 5 card pack tickets on average

>>529750063
no... don't leave us...

I should be allowed to vial copies of satan after the first. fight me

>>529752593
Roach isn't even that good in the current meta honestly, there are too many wards to get through and too many threats that you need to address. More often than not you just get grinded out if you don't have the perfect setup. The Legendaries are useless and the Golds are barely okay.

>>529752616
The earliest I got killed in recent standard formats was on turn 2 to a poison counter deck with god draws. Turn 3-4 was more common.

I SPENT $300 ON THIS FUCKING GAME

IT BETTER NOT DIE

Perfect balance

>>529752883
I spent like $40 and feel jewed

>>529750063
>go 6-0 in a short amount of time stress-free while Always Having Good Cards against multiple classes
what a bad matchup againts sword again? my swordcraft friend said forest counter sword, but thats not what i get when i play forest

>>529749679
The ramp spells also accelerate the evolution timer.

>>529752471
I think 3 Carb is too bricky. Who's Beast Tamer?
>>529752480
Yeah if I'm being serious I'd replace the old man with Olivia

>>529752912
bro really tried to sneak in garyu like we wouldnt notice

>>529752975
your friend is either a troll or really dogshit at this game

What is the best Forest list right now? I've seen people play the legendary giving Storm to fairies but not everyone uses it.

>>529752912
Garyu is so brutally mogged here man.

>>529752912
>Kuon and Garyu need a SEVO for Storm
>Orchis can just drop puppets
Who the fuck thought this was ok?

>>529748887
>>529750761
Sorry, was doing my ranked reps. The Ape Escape soundtracks, Soichi Terada did the music for those so if you liked Sumo Jungle you'll love those. Also check out LTG Bukem, and here's a catbox for another song I like
https://files.catbox.moe/p01iq6.mp3

>>529752640
>>529752572
Lovesign is cooler than Arisa btw

>>529752912
Replace Kuon with AG and Garyu with Cerberus

>>529752975
>forest counter sword when sword can build a wall of Ward with 1 card, sometime they have Barrier because fuck you

>>529752975
Your Swordcraft friend is retarded. Bad MU is Artifact Portal and Highrolling Rune. Your cards should outvalue everything else.

>>529752912
You forgot Cerberus...

why does amelia feels like olivia but worse

>>529752912
You forgot #0 bro

>>529753167
Not that anon, but I honestly think Cerberus is almost Orchis tier. People will bitch about her as much as they do about Orchis today once the rest of the deck is completed in set 2.

>>529753201
she costs 3 instead of 5
theyre also used for different things

>>529752912
Kuon and Orchis are the decks wincons, dragons wincon is the 10pp storm card.
Sorry but you dont get to have your cake and eat it too, lil bro.

>>529752912
the thing that makes me angrier is the stat distribution, it makes 0 fucking sense

it really feels like they didn't even attempt to balance those cards

>Finally AA0
>Just 3 more ranks to go

>>529753201
you should combo amelia with lumi at t8 for easy win

>>529753203
KOUSHIN SEYO

>>529752975
i play sword and i can 100% assure you he's a lying cunt

>>529753316
Devpet, you should be used to this by now.

>>529753165
Two AnneGreas is enough to make me want to kill myself when I play Sword, especially when they evo her and don't crash her into anything so Valse spills his spaghetti on followup.

my hybrid portal hand keeps getting clogged so I don't get my gundam this is bullshit

>>529753316
man Sylvia is so sexy, clearly I picked the wrong class

>>529753256
You have to work harder to setup cerb, and she can't reliably do her super evo combo twice. Cerb is great but Orchis is just on a completely different level.

>>529753316
They probably have an Elana retrain planned so she will be 4/6 in practice

>>529752912
>>529753167
>>529753203
cerb needs 3pp do nothing setup (can't be done at the same turn even with 10 pp) and 6 shadows
to even remotely compete with any of those and doesn't leave a ward up

>>529753256
Cerberus will never be as good as Orchis because Orchis is buffing every single puppet played after her so she can supplement herself by keeping extra puppets in her hand.

You can have a board full of 20/20 wards and Orchis could play 5 puppets 1 after another to clear your board and then still hit your face for 7.

>>529753419
if youre playing hybrid you should be playing to kill them with orchis
this means spamming betas

>>529753167
>>529753203
>>529753138
Cerberus is completely fine, everything else in abyss past 5 cost is utterly dogshit, honestly they should actually buff her

>>529753489
Ok d rank

Ramp becomes T0.5 if Sybil gets reprinted in 2 weeks

get roached knife ear

>>529753539
>no argument
as expected of an A-shitter

>>529746761

>>529753316
>A gold is better than a bronze
Waow. You should've posted Noah instead who is better than both.

You don't see those ones every day.

>>529753273
>Sorry but you dont get to have your cake and eat it too
You do actually but this privilege is reserved only for portal sisters.

>>529753316
preemptive elana tax, same deal with salefa

>>529753646
Lol

>retard said game is broken and unbalance.
>there are 3 meta decks as of now.
>the other 4 deck suck because they are still incomplete.
>the game is not even a month yet.
>they still lot of card and expansion waiting to be released.
Why are you dumbfuck doomposting and malding when it's still too early?

>they fell for the roach meme
here's the thing, even if you win it's not fun

Did I piss someone off at cygames? Get me out of this rune queue

>>529753529
She is only "perfectly fine" because of how dogshit the rest of the class is. As I'm typing this, I'm getting ass blasted by her.

>>529753649
Gekokujo to ikou ka?

Don't report me for offtopic he literally says that when he super evos

>>529753127
was listening to the ape escape ost a few weeks ago, kind of insane how good it was. ps1 really was the goat.

>>529753812
I have 0 faith that these problems will be fixed.

are amelias a bigger priority to craft than alberts??

>>529753812
game is imbalanced in a sense that day 1 feels like 9 years of rabid powercreep

>>529752616
To give you an idea of current day standard: they reprinted her and she barely made any impact on the format in the form of enabling a tier 3 meme deck because she was too slow for the format.

i really really want new cards already
fucking free2poor

GIVE ME MORE OPTIONS I HAVE 30k gold and 30k vials ready

Nerf this bitch by making her Fanfare conditional on if you played 6 or even 8 puppets this game.

Fixed. THEN you can balance around Puppet.

>>529753919
Amelia is your clincher, Albert is your closer.

>>529753812
Portal got two fully functional decks in 1 set.
Incomplete is not the word I'd use here.

>>529753919
no, amelia draws you cards, albert wins you games

>>529753972
I agreed. I hate when mechanigger using my doll wife. Orchis is for dollchad only. Mechafag already have Gundam, Alouette and Ralmia.

>pull kageshartsu
>immediately add him to my deck for memes
>get portalfag opponent
>he's on my starter hand
>drop him on curve and emote at him
>fucker dies two turns later
>getting raped
>he revives
>opponent at 8 health left
>gamble with amelia for Albert
>the fucker appears
>drop him and superevo kakamitsu for lethal
He might be a shit leggo but the memes are going to be legendary indeed

>>529753760
Cerb leader is way too sexy I'm jealous

>>529754038
Everyone has multiple complete decks. Dragon can play ramp, face, or discard

>>529753972
Hardly a nerf. Now if her super-evo only summon 1/1 puppets.

>>529753957
is this even better than 3mana tefferi?

I'm just happier in Topaz.

>>529753957
I've always despised Liliana so that's cool I guess. MtG is rotten to the core though, haven't played in a decade and this won't change.

>>529754108
Tfw you like mecha but Portal is lame

>>529754130
Kagemitsu isn't even the worst legendary honestly.

Havenfriends, is it worth just leaving 1 Lapis in deck for the occasional time she's useful?
I feel she's too situational otherwise if you add more than 1 copy.

>try copying a jap streamer deck who is diamond master
>works worse than my original amalgamation deck
uuhhhhhh

>>529753919
you NEED them

>>529753972
just remove the bane...? she's like a better version of Kuon at this point

>>529753972
I think they want to avoid these kind of conditions as much as possible because I saw nips complaining that too much of the late SV1 card design was all shit like that. Loot had to play X loot cards, Dirt had to consume X sigils, Dragon had to discard X cards, Forest had to have X followers leave play etc. Maybe that's why not even Rally is in this game yet.

>>529753972
She is just too versatile no matter what the situation is. Make her choose between bane+rush or storm. Right now she always perfectly answers your board then deals extra damage after killing everything.

lower orchis to 6 mana
now she summons 2 puppets instead of 2 enhanced puppets

it also opens up your curve so you can actually play ralmia

there, orchis is fixed

>>529754282
yes, if you dont you have no soul

>>529754146
Cerberus is one of those dumb bimbos that I'll never get hard. Orchis and Dreizhen in other hand is sex. Marie and Kaoru is kinda meh.

>>529754168
Nah that'd kill her. Puppet legitimately needs Orchis and she admittedly IS strong, but she's really only a big fucking problem in Artifact because Artifact never has to sacrifice anything like Puppets do. Puppet Decks don't do face damage with any measure of consistency outside of Orchis and Liam, they're entirely board control.

Making her ONLY usable by puppets would be good. She'd be a fucking annoying card, but you could at least balance around puppets. >>529754108 also this.

>>529754330
This would be a giant buff what are you on about.

just give me my good card draw so I can draw my rages and mummies then shart them on your face for 10+ from my hand without spending an evo point

>>529754108
I don't want to use the doll slut but there's no other answer to rune and sword's aids boards
New artifacts when?

>>529753919
>amelia let you survive
>amelia let you dig your deck
afaik, midrange sword already drop albert to at most 2 copies now. they don't need to close the game asap. their main plan now is to survive and keep flooding until opponent can't keep up and slowly chipped away

>>529746761
I only have fun with Haven out of these but I also don't have fun because playing Haven in the current meta is horrible unless you giga highroll and even then you lose half of your matches to decks with real wincons

>>529754187
>MtG is rotten to the core though, haven't played in a decade and this won't change.
People here complain about how every character is a black tranny or an IP cash-in but the reality is the game died long, long before it got ugly. By the first Zendikar block it was already well on its way to being ruthlessly corporate in a way the MtG I played as a kid never was.

topazcuties...

Puppet should have Orchis as wincon, they don't do face damage outside of like...fucking Liam.

>>529754452
I gave in and crafted 3 orchis... I won't be topaz for long bwo..

>>529754179
I haven't played in over a year, so I'm not sure off of the top of my mind which Teferi you mean. In either case, they do different things and go in different decks.
I just remember playing Liliana's deck (a standard legal knock-off of 8rack) and it was pretty shit. I wasted most of my wild cards making that deck and soon quit because otherwise my choice was to either whale or play a shitty tier 3 deck for another month or two because I couldn't afford to craft anything else.

>>529753972
>Artifact w/o Orchis is dogshit
>Artifact w/ Orchis is the best deck in the game
Really funny how that works actually.

>>529754468
why is liam always dogshit, why can't they give him the belphomet gigachad just like me treatment

>>529754553
Artifact would probably still be viable without Orchis. It would just be the third best deck instead of the first.

make ralmia 7pp

>>529754408
I always tell people that Innistrad was the beginning of the end, and I'm always sad that I got into the game way too late to really appreciate the earlier times.

>>529754296
Keep in mind that they are likely facing different opponents. Simply netdecking Master Diamond lists is not going to help much if you're like, B Sapphire or something where the things you're facing are wildly different. Try to keep that in mind.

>>529753812
>going 2nd is broken
>card balance is all around the place with some cards being so broken they literally decide if you win or lose a match or not
>game is extremely fast paced meaning you're at the mercy of RNG more than anything
>really feels like 95% of the match doesn't matter since you just single cards that can delete 90% of your opponent's health in 1 turn in later turns
>economy is horrible
>Cygames is known for dogshit balance, dogshit updates pace and 0 communication
Doesn't look good to me.

>>529754380
Artifact have lot of follower deleting spell like bullet and cannon. They are fine.

>>529754468
or you could just play the good artifact package and use beta to burn after orchis does 14 "chip" damage

>>529753972
Giving all puppets bane and storm is just stupid.
Remove the bane so she can't guaranteed clear your entire board and threaten lethal next turn.

>>529754539
>I'm not sure off of the top of my mind which Teferi you mean
this one

>>529754553
Artifact without Orchis still has Sylvia, Ralmia, gundam, and Alouette so fuck no it wouldn't be dogshit.

>>529754727
Cerb's dogs don't have bane, so it's unclear why Orchis's puppets should have it.

>>529754637
>>going 2nd is broken
I have won every single one of my games where I went first tonight. This is a skill issue, though in all seriousness this may also rely on the match-up.
>>card balance is all around the place with some cards being so broken they literally decide if you win or lose a match or not
This is card games in a nutshell.
>>game is extremely fast paced meaning you're at the mercy of RNG more than anything
This is card games in a nutshell.
>>really feels like 95% of the match doesn't matter since you just single cards that can delete 90% of your opponent's health in 1 turn in later turns
Kill or be killed, it always works like this.
>>economy is horrible
Yeah.
>>Cygames is known for dogshit balance, dogshit updates pace and 0 communication
Yeah.

>>529754802
Devpet

Is there a way to launch the game without Steam opening a page? I did it with sv1 but I can't remember how

>>529746761
It is what it is.

My main 2 decks are Haven and Artifact Portal.
Don't really like hybrid as much (which has more puppet cards in it, both run Orchis anyway)
I just made a Sword craft deck now for the 5 wins reward.

I would like to play and make a deck of every craft honestly, but I really just don't have the cards for it, even Portal only has 2 Orchis and Haven is completely missing Salefa.
I have 3 Aria and 2 Roach now, so I suppose I can make a Forest deck and try that out.
Abyss I want try next as I have 3x Ceres and 3x Aragravy, and 2x Cerb, but only have ONE Medusa really hurts.
Dragon and especially RUNE I simply do not have the cards for, unless you want me to try and craft a 1x Dyke 0x Kuon 0x Cocytus Rune deck.

I have only bought the 2 dollar 10 pack

>>529754706
14 chip damage (through 2 wards, the supposed counter to going face)

>>529754489
You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad you don't know the difference.

>>529753957
played that standard with her being legal; it was just too difficult to get good value out of her, nothing to do with the games being super fast, everything to do with powercreep (pic related)

>>529754634
>where the things you're facing are wildly different
They really aren't. 90% of people are running netdeck.

>>529754772
Ah, that guy. Yeah I think he was quite popular in the format, with the caveat being that over 50% of the format was some form of red aggro, and he was in one of the more popular non-red decks.

anti puppet board

>>529754872
we'll see who's laughing when I win all my grand prix games

>>529754789
sylvia in bonker in portal mirror
>orchis just deal 8 damage to face
>okay, play sylvia destroy orchis + llyod, heal 4, deal 1 by killing another puppet
>another orchis
>her goes another sylvia
and puppet now can't really deal damage anymore

any guilds open for a true prime /svg/ member?

>>529754693
Bullet and cannon can't handle a Kuon board, an AG and 2 flame destroyer board or an Amelia Mage board

How does grand pix work

One thing I don’t like about this game is how cards are designed around bronze silver gold and not viability. Like cards should be designed on how to make the playstyle cohesive not clunky because it’s bronze.

>>529754946
>drops Orchis twice and kills you

congrats

>>529754693
>Cannon
>5pp do nothing aside from -1 board slot
>fine

>>529754895
It's really not as true as you might think, especially given how limited resources can be. Plus I actually do look at JP decks and those things are fucking all over the place. Saw a Master Diamond Abyss player running this. Honestly after a point it's less about the decks and more about the people playing them.

>>529754802
Orchis' puppets don't have heals and and doesn't explode.
Which you should be thankful for. Imagine her healing for 2 and damagibg you for 2 for each dead puppet.

>Play Sword, struggle on ladder
>Play Forest, struggle on ladder
>Play Rune, entire game is a coinflip
>Play Portal, 3 game winstreak and I don't even know the costs of the artifacts and have to keep reading
Portal is fucking liquid cancer, I don't even know how to build it, I just picked all the cards I kept seeing.

>>529755078
That's 20 damage on turn 8 unless he somehow finds a way to deal with ambush

>>529755149
>3 game winstreak
wow confuckingratys

Abyss will get an Amulet banishing card at 3pp
trust the plan

>>529754858
wait nvm I only have 1 godwood staff that sucks, especially with only 2 roach

>>529755189
22*

>>529755086
I think you're vastly overestimating the amount of skill expression in this game. Especially in fucking nightmare of all classes.

>>529754946
>13 hp
you are actually dead

Hybrid portal is cancer. Thankfully you cannot fit Ralmia and Orchis in a single deck because there are only 2 super evolves.
Now imagine if we have 3...

>>529755149
>Play Sword, struggle on ladder
>
You might be retarded or have a bad list.

>>529755135
Orchis deals 8-16 damage to face depending on your hand + can clear your entire board with a few 0 cost puppets, all out of hand with 0 board setup required.
Cerberus, unless you have setup already on board, deals 3-7 damage to face and heals 2-6 hp, while not being guaranteed to be able to clear your board. It gets even worse if it's your second Cerberus because then you can't guarantee which dogs get reanimated.

>>529754946

man I kinda wanna run Ronavero but I have a addiction to using grails to constantly board clear and using Meave to get a freebie

>>529753909
Yeah the 90s, especially the latter half, was loaded to the brim with a lot of jungle and D&B soundtracks. Tetrisphere comes to mind too.
https://youtu.be/z6lI6MlBZjo

And some others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLxD4ozDPZA

>>529755265
I'm not saying there's a wide breadth of skill expression, but the player is absolutely a factor. It's not just an issue of decision-making or win-losses either, but also the willingness to grind. The people in Master right now are there because they are in the dungeon just going at it for dozens and dozens of games.

>>529755350
Ralmia doesn't need a super Evo.

>>529755350
>Thankfully you cannot fit Ralmia and Orchis in a single deck because there are only 2 super evolves.
you super evo ralmia?

THERES NOTHING I CANT CUT

>>529755193
Nice self-report pisslo
>>529755352
So you agree Portal is for retards.

>>529755362
>16
How? I can't fit extra puppets on the field.

>>529755292
dead how

>>529755475
Noah

>>529749493
Kong gratis!

>>529755076
It's only the first set bro dw you're on a slippery slope straight to hell.

>>529755475
super evo crashing into ur dudes

>>529755075
just win bro. win or miss out on fomo flairs.

>>529755501
>with 0 setup needed

>>529755392
>>529755402
>they don't SE Ralmia
>ez board clear
You guys have not played against Haven with Portal.

>>529755475
Suicide your Lloyd and one of your enhanced puppets into the enemy board. Play 3 4/1 Noah puppets out of hand.
3×4+3+1=16. This is the absolute most highroll value she can deal out of hand, though. Something like 11 is more common, but that's still substantially more than Cerberus.

>>529755521
and it was limited only when the game was already dead

>>529755598
>with 0 board setup required

>>529755553
That's only like 11 at most.

>>529755610
Haven clears a Ralmia super Evo too.

>>529755598
>0 board setup
Aka you don't need to have anything on board before you play Orchis. It does require hand setup though.

When is next set? Should I craft Olivia swordbabs?

>>529755521
So the first expansion pack we'll get in less than two weeks will just make the game worse and even worse balanced?
Instead of nerfing Orchis and half of the Rune cards they're just going to give more of those to other classes and Rune and Portal too?

>>529755624
if you're talking about 3 noahs you should consider a buffed enhanced puppet being played out of hand as well, since you clearly arent only at 8pp

>>529755775
july 17th nip time. exactly 2 week from now

>>529755775
Olivia goes into so many different decks, she's a safe craft.

>>529755804
That would be preferable seeing that the main problem with the game at present is that the classes are missing like half of their tools to even function.

>>529755878
>Olivia goes into so many different decks
yeah until she doesn't
notice how basically no one runs 3 copies

>>529755828
True, in theory it might be possible to deal up to 21 damage out of hand with Orchis, two 6/1 enhanced puppets, and two 4/1 puppets for a true OTK. But this is extreme highroll and requires a lot of setup and 10pp.

>bunch of random sword cards have interactions or lore importance with other cards

>albert one of the most popular ROB characters does not get a single interaction with anyone

why is this

>>529755804
Wercome to shadoba, prease tanoshi urserf.

Portal needs a good turn 7 play. Please buff

>>529755680
>>529755750
In what world is playing a 6pp follower 3 times and having half of your hand locked preferable to playing a 3pp amulet once?

>>529755878
Yeah but I only like sword, maybe face dragon

How to immediately improve the game

>2nd player doesn't get the +1 pp refresh
>Sylvia stats nerfed
>Orchis only gives bane to Lloyd
>Kuon is now 8pp
>Anne and Grea stats nerfed and only deals 2 dmg on evo
>Luminous magus and Amalia summon one less knight each but they cost 1 less pp to play

Cygames hire me. I've been playing MTG for nearly 10 years so i know what i'm talking about and understand how fucking dogshit people at big game companies get to balance the game.

>>529755665
They literally let portal depopulate unlimited into a ghost town for years on end before they got rid of augment/accel. It's actually crazy.

>>529755981
Jeno interacts with him

>>529754323
That actually sounds like a great idea.

>>529755903
It's hilarious people think that other classes are going to catch up to portal and rune when portal and rune are going to get even more shit and will be able to remove their weakest aspects

Meanwhile Dragon is going to get 6 new discard cards and and still wont be able to make a complete deck.

>>529755665
It should be banned the moment this was added

the only futureproof card is dclimb, it makes rune a nightmare to balance arround

>>529755951
Who said anything about 3 copies? I'm hard-pressed to see her getting the boot any time soon.

>>529756017
As I said, that's mostly a theoretical exercise. Much more likely she can deal something like 10 damage out of hand at 8pp with one 2/1 Noah puppet in hand.

>>529750629
You get a free ticket every day

>>529755983
How did the previous game even survive for so long with this kind of philosophy?

To think that people pissed and shat their pants once upon a time because of this card and now portal has a card that can do what this card did but so much better. Ah, the good old days.

>>529756159
Many people left after the first couple of expacs, only the ones with low standards remained.

>>529755804
Basically.
It's only going to get worse from here.

>>529756060
I'm not concerned with "catching up to Rune and Portal" I'm concerned with the shit I'm trying to play actually being able to work.

Also fuck Dragon, fuck Ramp in general. Rune is just another flavor of ramp and I hate that horseshit too.

>>529756174

>>529756109
They already balanced it by not making it DShift

find the lethal

>>529756159
sunken cost fallacy

>>529756028
>playing MTG for nearly 10 years
Please no. The KMR and his dev team have the same dogshit MTG experience as you.

>>529756313
I'm just not gonna do it.

>>529756313
you super evolve?

>>529756159
He always finds a way. NEXTO.

>>529756109
The issue is not Dshift
The issue is that Rune's other 2 legos are too good at what they set out to do.
If you can play any one of them it's 90% always the correct choice to do so. In any kind of boardstate.

>>529756313
I consneed

havenbros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMvpyX3sy44

>>529755804
The current Throwback Rotation in SV1 is Altersphere and that seems pretty balanced though. More than early SV1.

>>529756268
>unstoppable OTK
It's literally dshift, just happens 2 turns later but i'm sure KMR is already hard at work to fix that weakness

How do I get better I feel like I'm stuck

>>529756159
Uma Musume and Granblue carried them.

>>529756313
staff roach bounce roach bounce roach face

>>529756159
It was barely alive for most of that time. Most of the playerbase left after the first years and those who remained were stuck because of sunken cost fallacy, going through the motions of playing a game they didn't enjoy for 8 years, hoping that one day it will become good.

>>529756313
Lily
Bounce Lily
Lily Again
Lambent
Fairy
Roach

>>529755804
shadowvrese was doing rpetty well but it totally shitted the bed with the alice expansion

>what if neutral cards good??
>so everyone is playing... the same deck?? but the class that gets the better neutral package...wins???
>REVEAL THY SINS, AND INIQUITIES

i think alice might be the worst expansion ever in card games period, nothing will ever come close to how awful and damaging to SV it was

and yeah they are probably gonna release something like that sooner than later

>>529756493
I was thinking about hitting master in sv1 in rotation. Is there somewhere I can check the meta for Altersphere? Were there any well-performing aggro decks at the time? That's usually what I gravitate to

>>529756258
Kino deck.
https://files.catbox.moe/hvps6i.mp4

roach is this only skilled deck in this entire game

>>529756494
>tied to 10pp cards and one turn
I sleep

>costs 1pp
>deals 3 damage for free
This game is balanced

holy shit I want edelweiss to rape me while she's wearing that mask

>>529756554
You keep saying this but then both Uma and Granblue players tell you the other Cygames IP carry them. And in fact they're all dead IPs.

>>529756060
They are doing FOTM class of the season, next 6 seasons is each class getting story arc and being blatantly OP in turn.

>>529756792
>the other Cygames IP carry them.
Like what? Fucking Priconne?

>>529756590
>>529756230
>>529756247
>>529756340
>>529756637
That's really depressing and making me want to quit the game. Why the fuck bother and why are you even here if you know this is going to happen?

>>529756872
Dragon is going to get the blatantly OP treatment in set 2 because Filene is going to be the face of that set.

>>529756872
>Rune hasn't even entered their top tier phase yet

>>529752492
Not sure why you replied to me, learn to read next time anon.

>>529756913
They're doing retarded doomposting, the game was pretty good its entire lifespan with lots of fun decks

>>529756913
>That's really depressing and making me want to quit the game. Why the fuck bother and why are you even here if you know this is going to happen?
Nostalgia and sunken cost fallacy.

>>529757032
Its big issue is that its low points were LOW. Alice meta everybody remembers but there were other nadirs of game design like the Absolute Tolerance meta, or the Skeleton Raider meta.

>>529756913
that is how every card game is??
hearthstone turned to shit after they gave everyone endless resource generation with discovery

never seen a card game that turns better after expansions other than yugioh

Are we getting card reveal today

>this is your opponents hand turn 5

>>529756590
>>529756340
>>529757065
samefag bro... it's "sunk cost" not "sunken cost"

>>529757218
>never seen a card game that turns better after expansions other than yugioh

>>529757226
No reveals for at least another week.

>>529757294
hearthstone peaked 2-4 years into the game

>>529757227
>anne boost 3
>demonic boost 1+1
>blaze blaze

>>529755804
Making at least one new class completely overpowered every set is probably very profitable.

Like some Anons said, enjoy the game in its current state while you still can. Even with Portal and Rune dominating and Sword and Forest being annoying af, it's only going to get significantly worse with every new update. I fully expect to lose interest myself in a few months, despite being addicted right now.

>>529757193
I quit around skeleton raider but it was fun and I globed 3 of him
>absolute tolerance
holy kek that guy was retarded

>>529756653
You can copy tourney winner decklists from ingame. I only know Japanese resources but the tier list I saw is:
>Tier 1: Holy Lion Haven, Ramp Dragon, Aggro Forest, Midrange Sword
>Tier 2: Lishenna Portal, Artifact Portal, Mysteria Rune, Dirt Rune
Also the last JCG of that season was won by Arcus Shadow which isn't even listed here. So I guess only Blood was bad in this meta?
The Aggro deck would be Forest but from what I've seen the most played deck by people actually grinding this right now is Holy Lion Haven which is also a fast deck.

>>529757259
I was only two of those posts (the second and third one). I used the same wording as the first anon because I saw it just before writing my first post.

No dupe protection is such a bich move, I am playing 2 copies of legendaries because crafting it and opening it will make me feel so fucking bad if it ever happens

>>529757425
Haven...

>>529756313
i need to find my glasses first

>>529757343
It peaked with GvG

>>529756913
Don't fall for doomposting, dummy. Sure, the game had its "low" points but then it also had some very good and fun expansions with good variation in decks and fun archetypes and overall good balance.

never imagined this is how I would to haven

>>529757586
Would you call the current set/meta/balance ok/fun?

>>529757712
kwab

>>529757580
It peak with Naxx

>Phildau and Zirco keeps flirting
Whats the history between these 2

>>529757350
but if you kill the shikigami then it wouldnt be a high roll
>>529757586
until I can buy bampy and erasmus in the shop

>>529757819
They were both virgins, had sex with each other and kinda liked it but were too embarrassed to try it again

>>529756927
I'm filene her womb with my cum

>got cerb ticket
Guess I'm an abyssfag now

>Vomit out 3 new Lego cards for each class set every 3 months, with mini-sets in between in first game
>Refuse to balance the mess.
>Create SV2, which has no right to be called a sequel.
>Spit in your fanbase’s face by refusing to port their collection progress to SV2 (like Valve did with CS:GO -> CS2).
>Remove 1.5 packs' worth of gold daily and replace it with 1 current set pack + 200 gold.
>That pack doesn't contribute to the pity timer, by the way.
>No duplicate protection.
>Can't vial worthless Legos until you have more than 3.
>New set is in 2 weeks, by the way. Have fun saving (you can't).
>After that, a new set every 2 months.
>And soon they'll add mini-sets in between.

>>529757402
Pretty sure that Haven deck was actually aggro, you could even run Goblin in it and it had its own 1 drops. Then you just spam your lions for endless Storm.

Remember to always have a pocket puppet whenever you face a mirror, bwos.

>>529756313
Play staff
Bounce staff with staff
Play staff
Emote x3
Roach

>>529757752
I've been having fun, so yeah. Is it the best set of shadoba I've ever played? No. Is it the most fun I've had with shadoba? Also no. Of course I wish we had a balanced meta and all classes were playable (except rune) but it's still too early to start doomposting. Maybe it's because I'm used to how fucking bullshit rune and portal have always been in og shadoba so they feeling like crap to play against is nothing new, I dunno. If anything, I would doompost about cygay being a bunch of greedy fucks before the actual state of the card game itself

>>529757712
Sneak King strikes again

>>529757425
I crafted 2 Amelia’s only for the 3 free Lego packs to give me 2 more later that same day.

>>529757402
im so glad lish and blood arent top tier like im pretty sure they were a few sets in either direction. bat got nerfed to 8, didnt it? ramp dragon is still annoying for being ale to consistently ramp 3 times into a stronger lategame than everyone else when its supposed to fall off

>>529757952
>got cerb ticket
me too, but she was outclassed, i am not even sure i want cerb as leader going to wait for mistress

What else can i spend this tickets on?

>>529758240
it sucks ass. all 3 roaches being in the bottom 6 was the reason they won

>>529758213
>I've been having fun, so yeah
Ok. Sorry to be rude but if you find Rune and Portal fun to play against then you must be absolutely mentally ill. If this is fun to you then I don't want to even imagine how fucking bad it can get.

>>529758357
Get the homescreen background then
Getting the lobby avatar seems kinda silly

>>529758258
all i could allow to craft myself was
1 amelia
1 olivia
1 albert + 1 from f2p deck
Turned out great because I opened 1 amelia and 1 albert (not sure i will run 3 thou because 2-2 albert-centaur split has grown on me too much.)

I am 100% sure that as soon as i will craft 3rd copy of lego i will open it in pack

>demoted from diamond to ruby while trying to learn a deck I'm not familiar with
>people play the same, matches don't feel easier or harder, it's just the same shit
These groups are the biggest lie ever

>>529758462
NTA but it's fun because I'm not playing a dogshit deck. I lose way more to early sword bullshit more than Rune highrolls.

>>529758413
Don't care, Sneak King is cool even if Haven is god damn miserable to play right now.

>>529758510
3 Alberts too good tho

>>529746009 (OP)
Thank you, anon!

>>529758531
Diamond is just the meta-est meta decks + some guys in a topdecking spree who will go back to their actual group soon enough

>>529758531
well I dropped to Topaz and immediately noticed a different. the deck they bring and how they play it. I think the real shitter is in Topaz and below.. with me.

>>529758531
>be diamond master sword
>80% of opponents are portal niggers
>drop to sapphire
>actually healthy meta
I dont even want to get diamond back, i enjoy it here, let me stay

>>529758531
Groups are influenced by a lot of things, including a vague measure of "sportsmanship". If you concede, you lose a lot more MMR than if you let the enemy hit your face, for example.

>>529756549
Credit card

>>529758614
It's miserable to face it too. Even if you win. It was a miserable experience.

I love bricking

>>529758618
yeah but everyone plays around it thou
Barely anyone plays around t8 10 dmg centaur
In fact i dont think i ever got centaured.com by sword opponent.

>>529757952
Die

>>529758618
desu 3 albert is too much. albert is practically a 9 mana card
i liked 2 centaur, 2 albert

>win 4 ranked games
I fucking hate this trash game. See you all tomorrow.

>>529758654
Once you get low enough you start running into off meta decks and a lot of them just completely shit on the weaker meta decks like face dragon

>>529746009 (OP)
giant goddess Eudie

>>529758291
Yeah IIRC Darkfeast Bat become good again for a bit right afterwards in Steel Rebellion because Mono's deck was still so unfinished that it was better to just run the 3PP Draw 2 Summon 2 bats spell in DFB Blood.

No one here ever talk about how Jeno is such a oxdung card. Literally Sylvia without the Choose mode but require no Evo.

>>529758674
Really? I just always quit if I see the winning card dropping

I'm certain Bats will be cancer when it gets proper support
>built in Drain
Yeah, good luck racing against that

>got another staff from a pack
>only 1.5k from crafting roach
Fucking hell I want to save vails for next pack but 1.5k is so little...

>>529759089
who keeps saying this shit

>>529759089
>require no Evo
The one who runs out of evos first loses

>>529759106
Unleash her

>>529756913
At least the Steam player numbers for SV1 look stable up until they announced Worlds Beyond.
I know most people played it through other channels, but I doubt it'll be completely different there.

Card games are just rage inducing like few other genres, since RNG decides most matches between evenly skilled players, so maybe that's what provides all the extra fuel for doomposting.

That doesn't mean the game's balance is good, of course. I'm just saying the future isn't as bleak as this thread would make you believe.

which was the most op card in 1st shadowverse (after credit card ofc)

>>529759128
there's 2 weekend tourney left and a GP
if full built roach deck can give you more mileage, then why not?

>>529758665
>sword
please go back, I want to enjoy it here

>>529759438
Forgot pic.

>>529759439
Dimension Shift. Like, you cannot beat getting 3 turns to play stuff

>>529756913
They're adding mahjong weekends into this so it's going to be better this time.

>>529758462
Stop playing a shitty deck, or optimize your plays better so that when you do win against good decks you feel great.

>>529759439
debit card

for me it's the fact that they released the same game with zero new archetypes among any of the crafts
this was the perfect opportunity to come up with something fresh and they just didn't

>>529756637
Is Wonderland really that terrible? I only know a few actually quitted when rotation happened

>>529758462
>I don't want to even imagine how fucking bad it can get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ack-ZtiKuYI
also kaleidoscope hasn't been introduced back to rune yet

>>529759439
Departed Soultaker

>>529759517
It won't attach the picture for some reason. Just look it up here.
https://steamdb.info/app/453480/charts/#max

>>529759439
This one >>529756108 is banned in Unlimited. DShift just got nerfed from 18 to 20 cost.

I feel like no matter what I do no matter how I change my deck no matter where I copy or not from, I'm just always behind. I never have the curve people have. It's only more obvious in mirror matches.

What can I possibly do when they get all the cards I wish I had gotten and I'm stuck with bricks? And this is what happens every time.

How come they added the 'If it's turn 10, win the game' Runecraft card, but didn't add the equivalent card for Portal?

What's the lore on the Wards? Most of them don't even have the keyword ward

>>529758763
>>529758852
Having 3 lets you slam it on 5 with an evo for 5 face damage and a threatening body without worrying if you’ll see another by t9.

>>529759682
>stable numbers
>game is dying
>game is alive
>game is dying
>game is alive
>game is dying
>game is alive
>game is dying
>game is alive
Thats anything except stable

How do they fix going second being OP? The fucking +1pp is so fucking OP with combo decks.

>>529759792
your gundam sir

>>529759636
Lmao imagine Rune having this and the destroy. You couldn't even aggro the fuck out of it

>>529759905
Doesn’t count.

>>529759915
>You couldn't even aggro the fuck out of it
you literally can't already

>>529759882
Remove the second coin and give going first the first super evolution

>>529759207
not my experience desu

>>529759882
>going second being OP
proof?

>>529759101
Yeah you get punished heavily under the hood for conceding. Never concede if you want to be diamond.

>>529756470
>If you can play any one of them it's 90% always the correct choice to do so. In any kind of boardstate.
I'm not gonna say AG and kuon aren't very strong but part of the reason for that is also that half of your deck is purely committed to drawing so the amount of cards you have to respond to your enemies board are limited. You usually end up in situations where you really need to save your wind burst and william because you're not going to get another one with spellboost without dclimb. So often kuon and AG are the only choice you have if you don't want to autolose because your william got baited out early.

>>529759882
more swingy turn 5 cards like aragavy and glade

>>529759792
They will print Maisha some time, Enhance (10) deal X to the enemy leader, X equal the number of allied followers destroyed this match

How's that one abyss deck that anon here was shilling a couple of days ago? I want to try it, but crafting legos is so expensive...

haven works on my machine

Roach and spellboost are dogshit casino highroll decks for gambling addicted Tanakas. They'll never make them bad, and you'll always get highrolled by them regardless of skill level. The cope is that "they're not consistent" but somehow you'll still always be the one on the receiving end of the highroll. At least other decks you can expect what the go draw will be at any given time, because they don't cheat the fundamental mechanics of the game. With spellboost and roach, you just never know how many 0 pp cards they have in hand making planning for their plays impossible.

>portal niggers
>best 2 drop in the game
Lovestruck puppeteer
>best 3 drop in the game
That 3pp 3/3 lego
>best 5 drop in the game
Alouette
>tied for best 6 drop in the game
Olivia witha Amelia/Emilia (sword lego)
>best 8 drop in the game
Orchis
>best 10 drop in the game
Voltron

Literally half of curve fucking nigger class

>>529759882
hey bright side you won't get astaroth satan'ed if rune goes second

>>529760205
Tanaka can only play Sword with PP on the card match with their max play point

>>529760247
>best 5 drop in the game
Alouette
Come on now faggot. I get you're butthurt, but if you're thinking any card in the game is better than AnneGrea you're brain dead or a runenigger.

what the fuck is a Tanaka

How does ramp dragon always have 3 of the +1pp card on hand? There's only 3 in the deck

uh oh portalrager melty

Runecraft not spam emoting as I don't find lethal on turn 9 before their turn 10 solitaire combo challenge impossible.

>>529759842
Because players take breaks and come back for expansion releases

>>529760247
The best 3 drop is Valse and the best 5 drop is the lesbians

>>529760072
aragavy is a net tempoloss against many +1's 5pp evo plays even if you evo aragavy
alouette gamma for example

>>529760412
The Japanese salaryman every single game design, and balance decision is made for.

>>529760398
Sylvia and Aloutte are much better than AnneGrea

>>529759842
That's not all that uncommon for live service games. Peaks with every new update, and otherweise a core playerbase being active.

Even during its low points, the game always had 8-12k players on Steam alone, which is likely only a small portion of the whole playerbase. And the running average over all years (until WB announcement in 2023) was extremely stable.

>>529760525
>aloutte
>draw no artifact providers for the first 4 turns
What now?

>>529760578
Literally never happens

>>529760630
>just play this 2/3 drop do nothing tempo loss

>>529760578
Deck building issue

>>529760578
Same thing that happens with every deck if they dont draw early game
They lose

>>529760525
sylvia is 6pp and alouette is fucking bricked without evo (this is exploitable btw, avoid giving them favorable trades with the 4/6 on 5) while annegrea is insane at any point of the game

My favorite part of rune is that they decided to give them a bunch of 6 health shit so it also completely avoids being cleared by most aoe. Like if Rune plays SE Kuon+double blaze destroyer the only options that dragon have are twilight dragon and burnite. If they calamity breath Kuon and both Blazes survive

>Best one drop
Quickblader
>Best two drop
Lovestruck Puppeteer
>Best three drop
Valse
>Best four drop
Ceres
>Best five drop
Anne & Grea
>Best six drop
Sylvia
>Best seven drop
Kuon
>Best eight drop
Orchis
>Best nine drop
Twilight Dragon
>Best ten drop
Technically Blaze Destroyer, but let's give it to a card that actually costs 10, Genesis Dragon.

Pic related, me on the right.

>>529760758
>avoid giving them favorable trades
Literally impossible due to how much value and threat they that single fucking card can give. AnneGrea is very easy to deal with. Just remove the lesbians.

>>529760510
and is this tanaka in the room with cygames right now

>>529760708
>expecting any 3 cost that is not named Valse to impact the board
Disingenuous or just retard?

>>529760767
Calamity Breath and Dragon in general are dogshit, to be fair. The issue is just overt tuned cards for absolutely no reason. Kuon and the golems, sure, ok, the golems issue is that spell boost is overpowered and every card spell boosts too much, but shit like Sylvia and Alouette?

FLY FREE!
TRANSCENDING TIME!

I'm not feeling Apollo in face dragon. What do I replace him with?

>>529760909
Maybe he's this guy >>529752496

is anne grea really that good?
+3 spellboost is all she's good for, her summon disappears and she just dies to all board clears by virtue of only having 6hp when evolved

>>529760881
>just remove the lesbians hiding behind 5/5 ward, oh they are also 6/6 and it's still T5
lmao

>>529760996
Why aren't you running phildaeu or lens?

>>529760968
No, Jeno is better

>>529760708
nigger your artifact generators have better tempo than my actual early drops

>>529760881
>just go through a 5/5 ward and kill the 4/4 bro
>ignore that they already got the spellboost value from her even if you go 1 for 1 (which you never will)
You will never, EVER go 1 for 1 with AnneGrea. You will always pay more to remove her, whether it's more cards, more pp, more evos, or simply resetting the board, giving them the imitative to heal, and draw, dooming you to getting Dshifted.

>>529760909
for 3 cost you can play puppet lancer + 1pp enhanced puppet to kill something

>>529760968
The spell boost is what makes anne&grea annoying, same with kuon

>>529760968
>advances gameplan
>stabillizes board
>puts up threat
>protects your face
it literally does everything

>>529760968
>is having a 5pp card that is giving you 12pp of value good?

The summon disappearing means jack fucking shit since no ward ever lasts more than one turn anyways. Every Anne you play stalls the game and buffs your hand while Rune is the one deck that can instantly win the game once they hit turn 10

>>529761072
>gravy (unless they shit out 0 costs on top of annegrea)

is cocytus more like jaraxxus or more like kil'jaeden in terms of hearthstone equivalents?

This is why (8)chang is just simply better for discussion
>>529761086
By your logic the Haven 2 cost amulet that summon 4/4 tiger is the best 3 drop.

Why the fuck do they spellboost THREE FUCKING TIMES? Why isn't the spellboost hidden behind evo? Why isn't the summon rush hidden behind evo? Why isn't ward hidden behind evo? Why the fuck does she do so much with 0 investment?

>>529761228
You have to go back.

some NIGGERS will play a bottom craft as top tier and still emote spam like they did something

>>529760495
alouette is the only 5 drop evo that he doesnt clear actually. this is alouette being op not aragavy being bad

>>529761267
hm nyo

>>529760872
Ramp dragon doesn't even run Genesis Dragon anymore because it's fucking shit.

>>529761072
Play phil, remove lesbian, ward disappears next turn, your phil stays. Or play lens and go through the ward and deal lethal (or kill lesbians if no lethal). Aloutte however:
play phil, can't remove both or phil dies in trade and you wasted evo. What makes A&G annoying is spellboost, that's why it's always A&G -> Kuon

>>529761036
>phildaeu
Yeah let's burn 1 evo point for someone that just stands there only to be killed by the 2nd lesbians ward
>lens
Let's mulligan for an amulet that does nothing on T2, also the lesbians have 4/4 by themselves unevolved so you're still trading even after lens

>>529761228
>jaraxxus
can you explain to me very slowly what those words mean

>>529761225
>rune player spellboosted 3 times
>you have to waste an evolve and deal 3 damage to your own face to go even with the board

>>529761225
If they shit out 0 costs after playing annegrea you’re still golden as aragavy prioritizes oldest followers on the board first.

>>529761237
then just go there. good bye

Why is this game so stressful? I'm numb from getting sacked in yugioh but here?
I keep fucking exploding my head

>>529761254
This but every sword card

>>529758357
An unnamed bronze will never be a leader no matter how hot she is.
Upcoming potential Abyss leaders are Vampi, Khawi, Mono, Aena, Ruleyne, Valnareik, Mordecai, Alucard, Kagero, Yuzuki, Ginsetsu, Itzurugi, Milteo and collabs like Grubble, Uma, PriConne, Sanrio, etc.

>>529761254
KMR love gay bitches I don't know how else I should break it to you.

>>529761349
>Yeah let's burn 1 evo point for someone that just stands there only to be killed by the 2nd lesbians ward
Well you can decide to skip turn and take 6 damage to face as well if you have the HP. Rune doesn't really have much go face options other than SEVO on kuon.

>>529761350
YOU FACE JARAXXUS, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION

>>529761134
You forgot that they're only 5PP for whatever reason so you can chuck them out on T4 going second.

>don't draw ramp
>lose
holy shit this class is dogshit.

>>529761237
1) its definitely really good 2) playing it on 3 doesnt work the same way while you could play lancer on 3
>>529761419
ok but then you're behind on board and need to deal with a whole bunch of stats coming your way on the following turns

Why is sword leader so fucking shit
That horn on pauldron is so fucking retarded

>>529761361
aragavy kills annegrea and continues pushing face damage, taking 3 to own face is largely irrelevant in rune matchup
>>529761372
>great you killed annegrea but the two 8/6 and a 3/3 are still alive ready to rape your face

oh boy my favourite time of the day
runetumors downplaying the dyke bitches

>>529761228
Lore or gameplay? Probably Kil'jaeden

>>529760872
>>>>>>>>Genesis Dragon
>blocked by any random fuck ward from sword/rune high drops and can get walled by a mere 2 drop
LMAO

>>529761401
Funny you say that when blood and shadow were the crafts that got bronze cards as leaders in 1

>>529761349
NTA but I agree with the lens part. With lens you’re still getting 2 for 1’d. Philldau evo isn’t a bad trade though. You spend 1 card, trade evo points and end with a 4/4 body.

>>529761456
>Don't draw the cards you need
>Lose
Holy shit this game is fucking dogshit.

>>529761492
>ok but then you're behind on board and need to deal with a whole bunch of stats coming your way on the following turns
Well your fault for wanting to save evo points rather than trying to win the match

>>529761254
>Why the fuck do they spellboost THREE FUCKING TIMES? Why isn't the spellboost hidden behind evo?
Because kuon and AG are the only consistent spellboosts you have after early game. Without them you'd get 0-4 boosts a turn depending on wether or not you want to stay alive.

Medusa is good vs sword so she stays in deck maybe as 2 of...

>>529761531
Retard

Which deck is the most reliant on drawing specific cards?

oh boy it's my favorite time of day
portal and rune seethe out of nowhere

>>529761523
10 is a bad slot right now, aside from Destroyers. Genesis is the only one that does anything without needing evo investment. Just give it to destroyers and call it a day.

>>529761383
In yugioh it's pretty easy to accept a loss. Oh they had roach+ash+imperm nexto. Here, it's prolonged

>>529761543
Without them you'd get 0-4 boosts a turn
that sounds like a balanced amount

>>529761615
liam can still clear board with his 3 puppet, just not face damage

Genesis Dragon should have Sylvia's super evolution

>>529761535
also while rune doesnt have a ton of immediate reach, double kuon will hit you for 10 over two turns

Sylvia should have a rape opponent leader super evo

>best two drop in the game
why it's bell ringer of course
she can ring my bells anytime

Is x1 olivie really so bad?

Every deck list I check has 2. I'm growing to hate this card. It always come in the early game to brick my hand and most of the time when I play it she does very little to change an unfavorable situation

>>529761419
>Well you can decide to skip turn and take 6 damage to face as well if you have the HP
And that's the problem? Why does this card singlehandedly win the early/midgame control by itself?
You are either forced to use removal to get rid of her which means the ward stays and you can't hit face anymore, or you ignore them and get hit by 6 in the face.

medusa should have enhance 10: gain storm

>>529761726
Yeah but you are already in dclimb + satan range as well by then late game win con for RNGjesus craft

>>529759882
Player going first gets a coin turn five and unlocks SEP first.
Player going second gets the turn one coin and onlocks EP first.

>>529761757
olivia is filler until you actually get your class legendary
only forestkeks and abyssfags run her

>>529761665
orher way around for me, its so much worse losing to a specific card rather than the accumulation of how the entire game played out.
if it wasnt possible for your deck to win either your deck isnt good enough or the deck you're facing is highroll garbage (face dragon)

>>529761587
Not rune or forest, because despite all power being in specific cards, they have the best draw in the game. Not sword, because every sword card is on curve full stats. Not abyss, because abyss has no good early game cards, and you'll see your late game cards by the time you reach turn 5. Not haven, because haven has no good cards. Maybe dragon, because Forte is their sole wincon, and they have shit draw. Most likely portal, because they have 4 cards that are extremely swingy for the curve (Alouette, Noah, Sylvia, and Orchis), but they don't have the draw of forest and rune, so they might not see those cards.

>>529761757
you want draw source in midrange deck

>>529761759
Because rune is supposed to win the game at turn 10+, you are racing against time

>>529761587
Ramp Dragon, pull 6 out of 40 or die.
You still die though while ramping up.

>>529761749

Forest originally had a way to easily pull roaches out of their deck right? I'm not crazy

>>529761668
>spend your turn 10 to play a miriam plus 8pp dclimb to hopefully get 11 dmg if you get lucky.

>>529761820
thats not even lategame thats turn 8
two whole turns before coc or kuon enhance can hit you
im talking about sep on 7 sep on 7 in case it wasnt clear (5+5), not the turn 10 stuff

>>529761850
>not rune or forest
lol
if forest doesnt draw roach it literally loses

>>529761764
>18 face damage with sevo for 10 mana
Is this bait?

>>529761679
10pp 9/1 rush is your bar for playable? Genesis does that already just for a single target.

>Short by 1 lethal
>Rune nigger surrenders anyway
T-thanks

>>529761897
You seem to agree with the poster then. Rune is supposed to win turn 10+ so why do they get to dominate turn5 as well?

>>529761228
you play a 10 mana 10/10 with no rush and no taunt to change your deck to a deck of 10 specific cards (it's 4 unique cards with multiple copies)

>>529761962
Right, but if rune wastes 2 sevo on 2 kuons, they can't sevo it anymore and have to win with dclimb + satan now, or hoping shit sticks on the board.

>>529761965
>if
Nigger, 90% of the game they spend with 9 cards in hand from having so much draw. It's such a problem for them that they genuinely have to worry about losing the roaches from discard.

>>529761971
It's turn 10 and require SEvo( and it's not like ward are a rarity in this game.

>>529761962
But then rune doesn't have storm left so you already won 9 times out of 10 so what the fuck are you bitching about?

>>529761972
when it comes to lategame value is value
its still better than what other decks could be doing without an evo (except ralmia for some reason)

Bro saving evos for sv3. I won next turn btw.

>>529762021
To stay alive. Same reason they have the sagelight that takes them out of lethal reach as annoying as it is.

>>529761587
Ramp dragon easily. You can't do anything unless you draw ramp.

>>529762107
brick cannon
not even once

>>529762034
Will forever be unplayable, because of the nigger servant. It's OP in rune, because lol draw 5 and reset your turn.

>rune mirror
>opponent plays satan into dclimb
>he takes a very long time to play his card
>smile deviously, knowing he didn't draw astaroth
>do the same thing
>draw astaroth and win

>>529762059
if they sevo 2 kuons you're fucking dead
how are you walling off a 10/10 storm and a 6/6 super evo creature two times and still somehow still alive?

>>529762156
You aren't doing anything even when you draw ramp

>>529762107
let me guess: opp braindead smashed orchis on board and you had cerb

>>529762085
>>529762059
because you can die to leaving annegrea on the field
>>529762145
laate game decks are supposed to struggle to get there
honestly stormy blast being 1 is the bigger deal, the difference between having early removal and not is enormous. they dont even take a card advantage loss because homework time

>>529761948

>+1 pp lesbos
>+1 pp kuon
yeah fuck you too

What do you get for completing the card collection? Also where do I see end of season ranked rewards? Might push to master if it's worth it, otherwise will just chill in AA.

>>529762145
And they are way too good at staying alive which is why they get to consistently win at turn 10+. The card desperately needs a nerf

>>529762242
That only makes it worse so there's no reason to mention it.

Would putting Rose Queen to 8 PP push Forest to Tier 0? They already have a pretty solid control core.

>>529762213
10/10 storm doesn't happen unless you are in late game, or they somehow managed to make you kill lots of shigikamis

>>529761971
Still more balanced than all the other bullshit every other class gets.

I see most of this thread didn't figure out the actual real tier for decks yet. The best craft and deck is 100% Sword, followed by Rune, Forest and then Portal/Haven. You heard that right, Portal/Haven, because Portal isn't particularly stronger than Haven in a matchup.

Anyone who's still playing a single deck and couldn't or didn't try any other deck: Portal isn't really the top and you'll realize that once you play any of the top decks before you quit the game. It's Sword. If you play any other craft, Sword is always your problem, no matter what you play. I know how it sounds, but it's the true. You start off thinking Sword is unbalanced, then you see Portal and Rune and think there's something even more unbalanced, then you realize that no, Sword is more unbalanced than Portal.
That said, if you don't know it yet the tier list
>S
Sword
Rune
Forest
>A
Portal/Haven
>B
Dragon/Abyss

If you see the top ladders and assume shit by riding someone's dick, you're a moron. Experience it by yourself, play the game yourself and see it by yourself.

>>529761757
Olivia is a fucking meme and everyone who crafted her will be seething next set when every list drops her.

>>529762315
I forgot she exists, haven't even met one yet.

>>529762263
>because you can die to leaving annegrea on the field
>you can hypothetically take 14-16dmg by turn 8 if you don't clear the opponents board
Holy shit, you're right rune is broken. Other decks would never punish you this badly.

>>529762449
right, but the argument is that rune isnt able to punish you as badly as other decks so you're kinda agreeing with me

WHERE ARE THE CARD REVEALS

How do we save SV2?

didnt real lol

>>529762537
No saving, just quit.

>>529761953
Yeah that sounds more balanced than the bullshit state of the game where everything needs to be explosive and if anything survives on the board for more than 1 turn then it wins you the game

Nice AI stupidity above there

>>529746009 (OP)
>start running Amataz in Forest days ago
>start winning
>get to A3
>start losing to other Forestgods running Amataz
What have I done.

>>529762781
people are using the bald man now?

>>529762556
That's fine but you're still playing the game and still don't know a simple fact as to where the best decks stand against themselves and their placement. The hate should be directed towards the whole game itself but if you want to pick the worst offender craft-wise, it's Sword more than anything else, not saying the other ones are any better, but Sword is truly the true devil.

>>529762536
1PP Follower
1 Attack
1 Defence
Fanfare: If you have 2 or less other cards in your hand, gain +1/+1. If you have 0, gain +2/+2 and Storm instead.

shouldnt gladewood whispers/sagelight teachings/etc have additional effects if the follower is on the field?

>>529762827
People are trying the 4 mana combo for clear idk if bald man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC1AlkYDHbM

Take Two bros... Can we still hope for a balanced experience?

dclimb should only draw the amount put back in deck (5 max)

>>529762978
gta 6 will cost 100 dollars bro...

>>529762827
It's A rank bro
They're barely people

>>529762626
I don't even know how to use chatgpt or any sort of chatbot, gen z. Never touched that shit, you guys I know have because of those normalfag tranny ass character AIchatbot.

The problem with rune:-
Sagelight = 32 life
Anne&Grea: 3 spellboost + ward + 5/5 rush on 5 for 0 investment
Windblast = starts at 2 damage like dragon, and scales infinitely.

The problem with forest:-
0pp cards existing in the class

The problem with portal:-
Orchis

The problem with abyss:-
all followers below gold are bad

The problem with haven:-
do nothing early game, bad stats mid game.

The problem with sword:-
too many 1 board cards, either Luminous or Amalia boards need to be behind evo.

The problem with dragon:-
lamp too draw dependent
aggro too matchup dependent
needs better control tools

>nerf this nerf that!
how about you git gud

>>529763054
>all followers below gold are bad
Counterpoint: lesser mummy

>>529762853
Face Dragon gonna be cancerous with that

>>529763054
we cant make ramp good because we already gave them too much storm lategame
ramp could only be fair with amalia type lategame so they dont just kill you

Valse? Fair
Zirconia? Fair
Albert? Fair
Jeno? Fair
Amalia? Fair
Centaur? Fair
Hounds? Fair
Amelia? Fair