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>>529644963
https://youtu.be/GMOlBxi9Iss?si=5XwoWoYM2XOyuJsc
>>530901071they legit make a trailer to show them putting in what they left out of the base game that the rest of the base roster already had lmao
Could've picked a better OP image
>>530897545 (OP)>4 capcom characters out of 7>1 character that doesn't belong to either but was in a few capcom games>and only 2 snk characters
Shock Troopers is the best NeoGeo game, followed by Metal Slug 3.
>>530901504I wonder why they didn't finish Ronaldo in time since the teaser happen like six months before release.
>>530911725maybe needed it out before the quarter was out i guess? i know capcom keep putting games out in february because of that
They should put รngel in COTW
What's the difference between something like AOF and Fatal Fury?
>>530922786in what context, gameplay, narrative, what
>>530923405depends on the games being compared
but the basic nearly across the board level is that most of fatal fury is lane-based play and aof has a meter that is used for special moves and supers
what other feature differences are there depend on the games
Jesus what a butchered OP
OP was made by a Street fighter fag :/
They should put Leona in COTW
>>530936094she's totally not already in there with her totally not copypasted moves in cotw via an npc because they totally can't copypaste animation data like that, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know game development
Just remove ronaldo nigga
>>530897545 (OP)OP, ARE YOU OKAY? I SURE AM FUCKING NOT AFTER SEEING NOT 1, NOT 2 BUT 5 FUCKING CAPCOM CHARACTERS IN THE OP IMAGE. YOU UTTERLY INCAPABLE SHIT-EATER. YOU ARE NOT A TRUE SNK FAN, let alone a member of the Wolf Pack
NOW SPEAKING OF AWROOOOO, EXPECTATIONS FOR MR. BIG? AWROOOO IT'S GONNA BE FUCKING SICK, WOLF PACK. HOPE HE KEEPS THE BITCHES HE HAD BACK IN THE DAY.
>>530945709>HOPE HE KEEPS THE BITCHES HE HAD BACK IN THE DAY.they'll be in burkas for modern sensibilities, only chuds would cry for them being overly dressed!
>>530901504>>530911725Bring back crunch. Devs have gone too far the other way and are just lazy now. All the classic games are from the crunch era.
>>530948361the devs back then also knew what they were doing generally speaking and actually understood things like higher/more relevant levels of math and how to program said math in c and its variants
>>530945709>MR. BIGShould've had Geese instead of him.
>>530949128well geese is already there, you can fight him and everything
and his dorky son pretending to be intimidating
>>530950385Fair enough. How good is Mr Big then?
>>530953416he's p cool
but we haven't even seen him in this game yet
THE FINAL DAY
GET HYPED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD2MoKwdhB4
if this top 8 isnt kino then this general is dead for good
It's starting, let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
RB looks like he actually stands a chance
>>530958669they look like they're paid to be there
>>530958524Correction: He looked like he had a chance in the first 3 games.
>Fenrrir and Xiaohai on the same side of the bracket
>All Falcons on the other side of the bracket
Hax! Hax! Someone is putting their thumb on the scale!
>>530960356>Hax! Hax!looks like we need to compile an evidence.zip
lmao
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>>530960356Cheering for GO1
>DarkAngel making Fenritti looking green behind the ears
Wasn't on my list today
RIP, can't win against top tier
Woah!
South America.
I kneel.
>>530963053I apologize chicano anon
>Cuts to a whelmed crowd of paid spectators
LMAO. Also, why the FUCK have they not touched Kain even ONCE since the beta? He actually was even BUFFED a little. A few weeks ago. They nerfed the only grappler in the game that was already like bottom 5, but for some reason refuse to even grace the character that's good at everything and eclipses the entire cast.
>>530963562>Cuts to a whelmed crowd of paid spectatorsThat is what they do every EWC, yes.
>>530963562>niche in CoTW>solid tier in XI>subpar in XIV>hovering around B tier in XV>unusable in CoTWwhose wife did Tizoc fuck in SNK? his KOF incarnation has a better track record than his Fatal Fury self LMAO
>>530965137*niche in Garou, sorry. He had some horrifically bad match-ups against top tiers, mostly on Kain who just prevented you from playing the game.
It's good to see the Marco back again.
this paid crowd feels worse than if the seats were empty
>>530963930isnt this the first EWC?
>>530966353Did you miss Xiaohai winning SF6 last year?
They're trying to imitate how they do events for games like CSGO, Valorant... it just does not work
>GO1 look this happy
How much money did he just make?
>>530966706It's only not working because it's COTW/an SNK game. No-one actually cares about them and their games. If it was SF6, there would be about 20x the viewers, and the crowd would actually be excited and not have to be 90% paid.
>>530966706EWC runs chess as well, yes? Do they make Chess player do the little gay staredown as well?
>>530966818If he lose every game from now on it's $65k, if he wins even one it's >$100k
I kinda think fighting games should try doing team events? Idk
Just seems very boring to a non-fighting player. COTW isn't the most prettiest game i guess.
>>530967970By team events do you mean 5 players vs 5 players or one person picks 5 characters and the other person picks 5 characters?
>>5309682735 players vs 5 players. But It's probably already a thing?
>>530968921Sajam Slam does something similar, I don't think it'd be as popular if all 5 people were pro-tier.
>>530968921japs do those types of tournaments alot, but americans didnt so now this is the standard
It's a 1v1 game, it's not like someone can pick support and assist the other players.
Super Happy for MOK.
He looks like the only one putting his heart on the line.
GO1 had a stroke of good luck, I don't think he has a good chance vs either Xiao or DarkAngel, but he could take some games off Mok. He has a chance to get to the silver medal payout.
xiaohai vs dark angel
Lets gooooooooooooooo
>>530973041Love to see it.
>>530973196Guess not.
Ah so Xiaohai has dominated in Street fighter as well
>>530974551He still has the fight for the Bronze medal.
>this was once the young prodigy that took down Daigo's Evil Ryu
>>530974929GO1 is next, the hype train doesn't stop!
My nigga Xiao winning theis cash
>Xiao Hai vs GO1
I couldn't have predicted that, couldn't be happier.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I care for MOK you wouldn't believe.
>GO1 in grand finals of the biggest tournament
giving me DNF vibes
On 1 side i'm sad for Mok, on the other side i hope this make the brownoid stop shaking the fucking camera
Why was Isla a success but Preecha failure?
with such intensive tierwhoring in the first few months KOF studio is basically handed a perfect balance patch on a silver platter if they aren't retarded
>>530978648>Jacket>shorts>Multi-colored hairIsla's design is goated, Preecha's outdated.
>>530978648>Isla a success source?
DarkAngel or Mok, who's winning the bronze?
there's no fucking interest for this thing
i'm counting 5k viewers on the big channels i saw (official twitch, official youtube, punk restream youtube)
no fucking discussion on /fgg/ or /snk/
where is the....hype?
>>530980695No ones interested in COTW, that's why.
>>530980032High playrate.
Mok is about to make easy money.
Just tuned in. How have the sets been? I saw GO1 is in GF and Falcons jobbed, which is based.
>>530981710The games have been surprisingly interesting, Xiao Hai pulled out the Hotaru and GO1 pulled out the Marco. DarkAngel has been a monster so far.
>>530981864>DarkAngel has been a monster so far.he's competing for bronze chicano
>>530981456No if he insists playing with so unsafe.
>>530980936do you guys think cotw would have more player if the graphic was better
kek they have people in the crowd directing them on how to cheer
Damn, darkangel kinda took his soul at the end there.
>>530982549No. There is no space in the market for multiple 1v1 2D fighters. Granblue is barely holding on. MK sells a lot but has shit player retention and even worse pro player retention. Strive is the one game taking the anime airdasher slot. SF6 is king. For CotW to succeed SF6 would have to fail. At best it could have been less of a failure.
>>530982549The main problem was the horrible marketing/promotion, but better graphics probably would have helped a bit.
>>530982549I doubt it. The problem isn't just the graphics; the base roster is shit.
>>530983159i can see your point but i'm talking about more new players. Mechanic aside, graphic and animation play the firsr impression role and i remember the first time i see the game the comic book theme of the game kinda off when go with the 3d model and the movement look choppy.
The hobo from Street Fighter 6
https://youtu.be/kKbFMdNeBzU?si=WlgiYb5t3v1VLqLC
Basically it's a multiple set of factors on why it's not doing well.
Me personally, I woud've wanted them to enter the 3D fighting game space. Although making a 3D fighting game is alot harder.
And the reason I say this, is because the 3D fighting game space is just Tekken 8.
Damn, Ken looks sick. I am a huge sucker for him though. The classic shoto moveset is too cool.
>>530983843bitrate destroyer
>>530983843but we can't have classic billy because???
>>530983843Jesus him and Terry almost look the same, like different skin of same character, why can't they use the classic terry skin
YOOOOOOOO I'M HYPED
KEN WILL SAVE THE GAME
>Ken trailer
>Ryu's SF2 stage
>>530983726The graphics look fine in still images, the problem to me is in the animations as you said. But again, Granblue is widely regarded as a pretty game, it's considered a complete product with an RPG story mode, 3D avatar lobbies with a fall guys mode and more, and it can't break 1k players as a 24 hour peak on steamcharts. Again, CotW could have been less of a failure but it was doomed from the start.
>>530984240and make it default or add some feature to let people know he aged
Chun-Li will probably get to have her SF2 outfit along with her SF6 version just like Ken. Meanwhile we can't even have the Classic Mai that's already in the damn game but locked to a super.
COTW is going on a upward trajectory from this.
Were finally seeing the light
>>530984607>franchise has 1 of the famous female character of game industry>chose to make her iconic outfit unattainable SNK really want to go through another bankruptcy
Why does this feel so corny?
mid white woman plays drums
the saudi prince should enter like vince mcmahon saying he bought out xiaohai's contract for falcons
>>530984986All esports is inherently cringe.
Ken trailer got me crying bruh
All these COTW haters will finally seethe
I haven't followed the scene in a while, didn't Xiaohai use Futaba?
>>530986203he used whotever is high tier
GO1 needs to switch characters
>>530986203He did, he still has her in his pocket, but he mainly plays Billy now.
>>530986376>Tatsu knocks downThis isn't MY Ken. Not my boy from the good old days.
>>530986809No impact on that Shinryuken at all. Marco was already knocked flying away practically as soon as Ken started spinning. Awful.
When did GO1 get this good at CotW?
I like this new stage but it's clearly Ryu's
Capcom is never lending them a character after this lmao
>>530987362>Ken will save COTW!Ken in COTW:
Damn Xiaohai got a nice looking wife
>>530985203lol that mini kensou
>>530987358>I like this new stage but it's clearly Ryu'sKen's a hobo now, like Ryu.
Which stage should Chun-Li get?
Kain makes JP look entertaining
>finally a chance to bump the playerbase up a bit
>fucks up the character's entire face
>somehow looking worse than Kevin
>generic moveset after Capcom went all out with their characters
>Ryu's fucking stage for some reason
This company needs to burn.
GO1 crying so hard he can't talk.
SNK I WANT MY BALANCE PATCH NEXT WEEK
>>530987362it's called revenge
>>530988105>>somehow looking worse than Kevinlets not get crazy here
>>530988241It's ok when Capcom does it.
>>530988105>generic movesetLooked like he had everything he has from SF6?
>after Capcom went all out with their charactersLike removing all of Mai's aerial movement to make her a generic ex fireball into throw loop bot? People like her because she's hot, not because of her gameplay.
the negro who host the show must be fired, what kind of question is that
robTV has a really nice suit
>>530988421they like her for her gameplay too
(because shes braindead easy to win with)
>>530988535We love Rob here in /sf- oh wait I'm lost.
That's Ryu's stage?
Damn wtf
>>530988535What did he ask?
>>530988421Capcom went all out with the supers, visuals/animations and all the content. There's no need to be disingenuous.
It feels like everyone everywhere is stunned at the results.
>>530987883Going by the logic SNK just displayed here with Ken, this will be Chun-Li's stage.
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>>530988736She's technically there in the intro!
suzaku castle is cooler than a random boat pier, especially with the snow.
>>530988640>That's Ryu's stage?>Damn wtfIt's the hobo stage because Ryu has been a hobo his entire life.
>>530988736After SF6 gave Terry a stage that's associated with him full of cameos and easter eggs, snk just slaps Ken on a random stage lmao. These devs give no fuck.
The usual shiteaters are already making up excuses again
>Displaying the scalps of the players you've defeated.
Brutal.
Wish more tournaments did this.
>>530988682Xiaohai usually won and Go1 doesn't compete in snk games since kof xiv
the reason they went with ryu's stage is because there are no npcs in the background there
cammys stage for chun will make sense too because of this
>>530983843Whoa cool, can't wait to see what he brings to the table! I wonder if his gameplan will primarily revolve around fishing for a heavy normal into a braindead combo with 2-3 EX moves and a DP brake juggle that he'll do the same way at any given point in a round! I wonder what kind of brake move they'll give him, maybe he'll have a head invul DP brake that leads to a juggle with the light one as an invul reversal!
Sorry but I don't like SF6 either for basically the same reasons, you'll need to come up with a different strawman this time
>>530989502God forbid SNK have to program some NPC cameos, huh. Can't have people mistakenly think they actually give a shit about this content they're working on.
>>530989850PLS understand, Xbox Series S can't handle additional NPCs.
>>530989502Yikes. these devs need to go.
>>530989053>After SF6 gave Terry a stage that's associated with himIsn't Pao Pao Cafe usually associated with the Art of Fighting team in KoF? While being Bob Wilson's stage in FF?
>>530988671This. Ken's animations and supers in COTW are vastly inferior to SF6's, while Terry's(and Mai's) animations and supers are vastly superior to COTW's. This here shows to a T how inferior SNK's devs are to everyone else, most especially Capcom's. SNK fans will accept this vast inferiority, because they have no standards nor expectations for SNK. They will accept basically anything from them. They will see SNK failing to live up to the standards Capcom brought, and see no problem. Or they do see a problem, and just cope with it.
>>530989502Chun Li has no connection to Cammy, nor England. You have a whole bunch of stages to choose from when it comes to Chun Li, but the Great Wall of China is likely to be her stage. Personally I would prefer Tiananmen Square from Street Fighter EX.
>>530990441That doesn't look like Ken at all. Fucking hell, they couldn't even get his eyebrow color right.
>>530989502How does that make sense when other stages have NPCs just fine?
>>530990508no connection to cammy? the fuck
>>530990414Terry and gang always hang out at the Pao Pao Cafรฉ.
>>530990508>Chun Li has no connection to CammyTell me you haven't played a Street Fighter game besides 2 without telling me you haven't played a Street Fighter game besides 2.
>>530990441Real human beings at SNK thought this looks fine
>>530990563Why in the fuck would Chun Li be at some random Northumbria castle when she can represent her own nation and iconic architecture.
>>530989502>>530990508they could just use her Alpha 1 stage, you dumbasses. know your fighting games
>>530990687Prove to me that Cammy is more than an acquaintance of Chun Li.
I literally said the Great Wall of China. Can't you read.
>>530990775>I literally said the Great Wall of China. Can't you read.Meant for
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If we're making a wishlist I could go for Genbugahara, would be pretty unique for FF.
>>530987362good looking cel shaded stubble is too hard for snk
>>530990452it's because of these shiteaters that this company is stuck in an endless cycle of mediocrity. As long as it looks better than KOFXIV it's fine for them.
>>530990508>Personally I would prefer Tiananmen Square from Street Fighter EX.imagine the shitposting from such a stage
>>530991482>imagine the shitposting from such a stageYou know, I didn't think of that. You just know someone would put tanks in the background.
>>530991463I don't even understand how SNK could have a good number of people like this. It's not like they're Nintendo or something. SNK has done jackshit the past 20 years to deserve people who act so attached to them, and excuse/accept the shit they do. Literally just shat out low-budget KOF games and Samsho every 5+ years. I guess those pirated copies of KOF 2002 really ingrained itself in all the little Pablos in Mexico.
EVO is going to be lit, can't wait for the rematch.
>>530984298SNK forgot how to do beards and short hair, Billy and Kevin hair also look weird like this
>>530987238Supers really lack impact in this game. Terry's is a weak tornado with a random close up on his face
>>530991275Please understand, we are but a humble indie company with a team of 4 employees
A character that plays exactly like every other character with a fireball, DP and tatsu stand in like 70% of the cast will save the wolfpack brothers.
All of the comments under the trailer are telling SNK that Ken looks good. If you want to be heard post there instead of bitching on an anonymous board no one sees.
>>530995395>post there instead of bitching on an anonymous board no one sees.Anon, those faggots doesn't have the balls to do that, not even the schizo.
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>>530983843>the fucking Capcom DLC has a better looking hidden gear than nearly most other characters>ryu stage>cvs referencenot content with sucking capcom's cock, they are also fondling their balls in a desperate attempt to attract new players. the chunli trailer should double down on that.
LMAO its not a humilliation conga, it's a fucking humilliation ballet. cant wait for inevitable youtuber to go "DUUUUUUD CVS???" and never touch the game at all
>>530992758I think part of it is them being seen as the underdog compared to Capcom or Bamco, even though some aspects of their misfortune are self-inflicted, and part of it is nostalgia from tรญos that only play KOF and literally nothing else.
It's like how Sonic fans would eat up anything SEGA releases to this day even though it's been proven that their fans are 1000 times more competent (see: Sonic Mania) and that the games are usually better if they stick to nostalgia bait (Sonic x Shadow Generations).
>>530992758I'm not a graphics whore, I just need a game to look good enough. Most of the FGC used to agree when you think that ugly as fuck games like SF4 and MK9 were popular but nowadays people will dismiss games for a beard texture. It's just that for some reason Capcom can release literal shit like SF5 and succeed from nostalgia alone, but SNK can't convert their nostalgia into sales. The main factor though, is the current state of modern fighting games. Every single one sucks, so people defend the bad aspects of their favorites to not have to deal with the bad aspects of the others. Or they just do like Tekken fans and shittalk the game but play it anyway.
yeah baby my white northamerican boy darkangel69 is top 3 in the world
now imagine if he was able to compete regularly in the usa...
Legit, no one cares about SNK's games, you're embarrassing yourselves.
>>531001996STOP CARING RIGHT NOW. I EXPECT BETTER FROM MY FELLOW FIGHTING GAME PLAYERS.
Watching COTW I have the impression the EX moves in this game are essentially just combo extensions.
>>531002220There's a handful of utilities and surprise EX fireballs can beat zoning, but otherwise yeah p much. Some are technically safe/plus on block nooch skips but also combo starters so not fully breaking the trend.
>>531003516That's pretty fucking lame ngl. I guess that reason why combos in this game looks so generic.
>>530999903>Every single one sucks, so people defend the bad aspects of their favorites to not have to deal with the bad aspects of the othersThat's true of every fighting game, not just modern ones. Modern ones are just generally much more homogenized/dominated by system mechanics that you have to engage with in a certain ways, which means you're shit out of luck if you don't like the system. Also, I think generally devs have gone about addressing ease of execution in the wrong way, but that's a whole other doctoral thesis. And of course, social media has enabled a vast increase in the amount and reach of fighting game discourse generated by retards who may barely play one game, never mind multiple, and who have been conditioned to punch down and shitpost for their hit of engagement dopamine.
>>531004302Every single character has the exact same combo structure. Perhaps the worst combo theory of any modern fighting game. Feinting is also fundamentally uninteresting.
>>530999903>SF5 and succeed from nostalgia alone>nostalgia aloneIt's not nostalgia, it's making sure there is a future. No Street Fighter = no future for fighting games. So Street Fighter must always be successful, even if it's not in its best state.
>>530981064shunei had a high playrate, it doesn't mean success as a design
it means the character was effective in gameplay
functions != popularity
did you think raiden himself was popular?
no, he just destroyed everyone with his dropkick back then, at least before they kind of changed how you can work it in
a friend of the dollar is a fair weather ally of mine
>>530967970>COTW isn't the most prettiest game i guess.that's like half the battle in acquiring an audience
>>530983843i don't see anything particularly deep of a cut here, it's just ken
i like the ken theme version at least
also lol he gets an alt but andy and mai don't
>>530986707oh please, they been trying to play with ken's props for the wilder on the tat since at least sfv where it looked like some kind of aof version knockoff and in sf6 i think it does knockdown, it just does what akuma's st version does
not that i played sf6 to really know
So now they will FINALLY balance the game and do a bit of system-changes, right? They aren't going to drag us into EVO having to see the same fucking 4 characters all the time, not tone down the damage, and leave Rev Blow as it is, right?
>>530986148that's a very ninๅๆญณ reaction but to something that'll barely if at all move the needle
a fleeting bump at best just because some people who were bored of what was there that had left previously will come back to try for a little bit before going back
>>531002220>Watching COTW I have the impression the EX moves in this game are essentially just combo extensions.whoa, you made the same analysis CHADton made
the best thing about the trailer is the timing, so they don't have to waste the trailer at evo instead
but that means they're just gonna show joe instead like that's supposed to get a big pop kek
>>531002220>the EX moves in this game are essentially just combo extensions.Yeah pretty much, they're just combo filler. This is an issue I take with other fighting games with EX moves, and funny enough CotW is one of the LEAST shitty ones about EX moves.
>>531005287Feinting is kind of a microcosm of the awkward way that things were "fixed" from MOTW. In that game some characters like Terry got tons of mileage from feint cancel blockstrings while others had little to no utility; now the use is more balanced across the roster but its just the obligatory (and stupid-looking) extender for punish combos.
See also brakes going from genuine and sometimes character-defining utility for some and arbitrary execution check/utterly useless for others to just a combo extender/anti-air, or TOP attacks going from a unique gimmick move that hit or missed (and admittedly mostly missed) to just the obligatory advancing armored crumple state move that's in everything now.
For all the talk of how old-school the game is, it really embodies a lot of modern design. Everything works and has application, it just all winds up railroaded and homogenized. It really is just sort of a give and take.
>>531005287>>531010969The coolest use for feinting to me is the actual feinting. Pretending I'm gonna throw a fireball and not doing it for example. Actually extending combos with it is like, whatever.
>>531010862KOFXIII was weird since EX moves were really expensive but at least for that reason they were good enough to be worth using. Sure a number would start/extend combos but plenty didn't and still had strong utility.
>>531011338my favorite ex version really is kyo's running hitgrab move turning into a command grab on ex
it's really the kind of changeup a lot of ex moves should have, but the common trope really is the move juggles/extends a combo/is a slightly more invincible version of the original move
might as well make ex versions add flames to a move while adding extra hits to it
>>531008972Lol I've seen the same shit with Tekken 8 wheb they brought Clive from FF16. All these fuckers saying they're hyped, only for them to fuck off 2 weeks
It's the short term effect.
>>530986148? he looked really bad
>>531013203He doesn't but of course come and collect your fucking internet points on 4chan.
>>531013126of all characters, clive was not going to move no needles
tifa would have definitely brought all the boys to the yard for a longer while, so they could make ryona vids of her being hit by king's moves, but clive? people would be like "wtf is clive lol"
ken already exists in sf6 and that's already popular enough for fg players to touch and the only thing cotw has to offer is its own mechanics that if you weren't already pulled in by that, you aren't going to care about it with ken either
>>531013501>>530987362he really doesn't look good.
>>530897545 (OP)>>530945709A complaint of Ken in FF: CotW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3H-_OxPME
>>530990508>>530991686No tanks. Heh.
So how is this game supposed to survive now...?
>>531015894>umm, 3 years of support sweaty chud!!
>>531015894They kill it off after season 1 and move on to embarrassing their other ips
hey kk, translate what oda says in interviews but make it sound cooler
like if vanilla ice in the early 90s was saying these things, because he was of course the epitomhehaha nevermind
>>531013687It's amazing a character from a game that outsold majority of fighting games in the last 10 years couldn't move Tekken's needle. I can't tell if that says more about how much of a fuck up Square is or the fighting game genre as a whole
>>531020063shouldn't you use an sf6 pic from the same angle?
>>531020063He looks like an arab cosplaying Ken
I don't like SF6's realistic look.
>>531018925surely the game, final fantasy 16 or whatever, was sold mainly on its notorious brand and AAA level strength
that level that snk once hoped to achieve in roughly 8 years from now
and not so much on the characters, and they haven't had a popular character since lightning in ff13
>>531021034that's too bad, chud, we need more realisticness to avoid pandering to the incelious chuddy chuds who want too much tranime no-nosed cutesie females
>>531020063What are SNK modelers doing it's 2025 holy shit
>Fucking Ken has an alt costume
>Chun-li probably as well
>But Mai's one is locked behind her super
What the fuck is wrong with SNK?
>>531024974Have you not realized that snk is retarded by now?
>Ken gets an alt costume but Andy, SNK's own character, didn't
It's a comedy.
>>531029391Andy doesn't need an alt his previous designs fucking suck. It's Billy and Mai not getting alts that's fucked up. They have a fucking allergy to adding alts to base roster characters despite them usually needing them the most
>>531029908you don't need alts just for past designs lil bro
>>531030103News flash, literally the only reason Ken has an alt at all
>>531030379news flash you don't need to rely only on old costumes to be an alt lil bro
>>531014587>>531020063>>531020410shoryuken! Homeless Ken is just wrong. Why did Capcom do that for SF6?
>>531030487That's nice. It's also the only alts we have in the game. It's not that people wouldn't want something like bikini alts or whatever the fuck Terry is wearing in Streets. People want classic alts first and foremost, especially if a redesign fucking sucks like Dong or Hokutomaru (not like he'd get a classic alt anyway). Andy wasn't getting shit because his base design is just a redesign of his usual design. Ken gets an alt so people can ignore the SF6 redesign. Chun-Li isn't getting an alt because she's Capcom. She's getting an alt because it's a classic alt. Probably why Andy and Joe just got updates on their classic look and not drastic redesigns
>>531030739>It's also the only alts we have in the game.it doesn't have to be that way, it's just lazily that way because they aren't creative/good at their jobs
The entirety of the CotW EWC has put the guard cancel haters on blast.
REV Meter penalty for GC is at balance matching that of REV Acceling aggressive opponents.
Xiaohai did not JD/HD enough and when he did, he was too disadvantaged to overcome his misinputs and mistakes.
>>531031017I know it doesn't have to be that way. If they supposedly have all the money in the world for a failure of a marketing plan, that money can go to funding actual alts people would want to buy. But the biggest priority should be classic alts because people want to play as the characters as they were as much as they want to slap a shitty bikini on the women in the roster. Shit you could sell an alt of Preecha that looks like Kwon and I bet it would make a fuckton of money. I don't care that Andy doesn't have an alt costume that's just this outfit, the fact he didn't even come with a stage was my breaking point for this game
>>531031968>Shit you could sell an alt of Preecha that looks like Kwon and I bet it would make a fuckton of money.not really, no, but admirable attempt at an idea
it's like giving karin an ingrid alt when they wanted ingrid instead
i'm not going to resign myself to merely accepting that things are just the way they are, or business norms this or that, i'm going to demand that the company stop being stupid and lazy and out of touch, or "you can only have one or the other" because i'm a "why not both" kind of person and i've been consistent about that, even if people go "kys" or "-schizo" this or that or "doomposter" or "snk is winning" when they're losing on all fronts, i'm going to keep doing what i do because it comes out naturally like spring water over and through beds of minerals as they replenish poisoned lakes full of india poo and oil dumps
and they can keep hating but i've realized the one thing that they have yet to understand
and that's not game development
and they will have to align their qpus to figure it out
>>531032786Dude you really need to work on your grammar this shit is genuinely illegible
>>531034903https://rephrasely.com/usage/illegible-vs-unreadable
Mai in sf6: over 60k peak, tons of fanart, one of the most played characters
Mai in cotw: *crickets*
What caused this
>>531035753obviously it was the capcom illuminati, sajam, max d00d, and everyone else teaming up against innocent snk who did no wrong and did everything right as it's impossible for snk to screw things up
>>531031968>Shit you could sell an alt of PreechaEw
>>531036259if they could make preecha's face cute and have a nicer less unoriginal hairstyle than "another snk ponytail" istg snk fetishizes ponytails, it mite b kool
>>531035753Imagine making a game with 4 girls out of 17 characters. Then imagine making the only two with their tits out and flaunting their asses the weakest girls. That's how. Jenet being that low and mai being tied with preecha is a true snk feat.
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/official/fatalfury-cotw/usagerate/
>>531038450it's amazing that snk listened to women and saved the last four lowest tier spots to these four guys
Saudis probably told SNK to make them weak so they don't get shown at EWC?
The same way they ask WWE women to be covered up at their events.
you see, anon, here's the thing
in this business, you have to be creative or ingenius
but you can't be neither or you won't draw a dime, unlike my best friend mark
these would have been perfectly fine costumes for kofxv, but oda decided to run his mouth, and the fanboys the same made excuses about understanding game development, how they didn't have money unless it was for advertising to people who didn't care about fighting games let alone snk ones which is like taking lesbopalooza acts over to a black metal concert
too late to smarten up now tho
>>531042570Never liked this guys art. Even if It's considered a classic.
I'm new but what's with this demand for CVS3?
Why does SNK need to get piggybacked by Capcom to stay relevant?
>>531042757not the point to take away from me posting that picture
>>531042972It's specifically Capcom players that want CVS3 because of CVS2, and cause the game would be built through Street Fighter's physics/battle systems.
They would NOT be lining up for an SVC2.
>>531043307Oh, I got the names wrong. So there's a SVC and a CVS game.
I'm assuming CVS was the better game?
>>531043702>Oh, I got the names wrong. So there's a SVC and a CVS game.
>>531043773Yeah I'm retarded for just figuring this out now :/
>>530983843His face looks too much like terry lol. Those petz devs are lazy
there is a sequel to pet cemetary called petz cemetary
it's a horror story about how petz developers go to put snk to rest for good
>>531042972Its the same thing as people who desperately want dalkstalkers back. People who dont play fighting games but watch youtubers like maxdood or sajam who have talked about the game with rose-tinted glasses, show off the IP and characters, and people want it to be relevant again so that they can pretend to enjoy fighting games while they just fawn over the characters
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>>531044832>>531044940Who also immediately thought of bestiality?
SNKโs next fighting gameโฆ hamsterz!
>>531045628Can you blame the dog. Blue Mary is pretty hot. I don't think Terry has even smashed :/
Still seething and schizoing?
>finally found a new fanart
Lmfao I got into him
That face does not look like Hotaru sir
>>531048112What about the tits?
>>531035753Holy revisionists history. Mai's biker outfit was revealed for COTW first and we got tons of fanart then.
>>531049715Cotw peaked at 5k, sf6 Mai at 65k
>>531056661thanks fellow Pole
>>530983159Pretty much this. Even if COTW did everything right the market is saturated enough where SNK has a hard time fitting in and getting consumer attention. We're far past the era where you can just release a thousand fighting games from hundreds of different companies and everyone will play them. Every genre has a few games max everyone plays and the rest sinks to the bottom regardless of quality.
>>531058410This would make sense if fighting games historically had millions of daily players like other genres, but they dont/didnt. Lets not act as if the legion of shitters player soive and dix are playing them because they've always loved fighting games and not because they're baby bitch games that play themselves with 30 different system mechanics to guide the player at all times. When a fighting game comes out that forces people to learn how to play a fighting game they will just path back to the game that plays itself because they can keep the illusion of being a "fighting game player" alive in their head. Its purely aesthetic.
>>531059087>Its purely aesthetic.unlike modern snk grafics
>>531059157I quite like the way cotw looks but if its not to your liking I can understand. I dont think theres anything egregious with the graphics that would stop someone from playing......unless they're just using it as an excuse to not play because they never actually liked fighting games and need universal mechanics to hold their hand 24/7
>>531059414>i dont think there's anything egregious with the acrobatics and high spots in aew wrestling that would stop someone from watching aew.......unless they're just using it as an excuse to not watch aew because they never actually liked wrestling and need promo slop to entertain them 24/7kek so many similarities between the snk fanbase and aew fanbase
>>531059680I had to look up what aew was, of course the faggot that likes watching men pretend to fight is going to love playing pretend fighting games
Hell I'm thinking about getting back onto RPG games. Ain't got the time to invest hours into learning a fighting game anymore.
>>531059932says a guy who thinks there's nothing wrong with b.menet's face
>>531060103when you're playing the game theres nothing egregious with B.jenet's model. The only reason you would use it as an excuse to not play is because you never wanted to actually play a fighting game and wanted to larp about playing a fighting game. You wanted the game to be popular so that you could feel like you're a part of something because you're a loser irl, you never wanted to play a fg and can only play one if it plays itself for you. Just be honest with that fact, yeah the graphics arent to some peoples liking but is that really the thing that is stopping you from playing, anon? Or is it the fact that you'd have to learn fundemental fg skills to play and play well?
I'm not the anon, but you're better off picking up KOF15 at this point lol. Cheaper + bigger roster.
Graphics are better than COTW.
>>531060715you're calling me a loser and you're nerding out over gameplay and talking about playing a game like 5 other people play beyond the incentive of money and nobody normal would even give it the time of day over any other fighting game to include sf6
>>531060929but they wont because kofxv requires them to learn how to play a fighting game and 3 characters at minimum. Its not about the graphics, its just people pretending to like fgs so that they can be "fgc" but cant play the games unless the game autopilots itself
>>531061051>Im not a loser y-y-y-you are! I came to the thread because I caught up on ewc and wanted to see what was said. I responsed to something and you went on to attack a game you clearly dont even like. By your own metric your a loser. ANDDDD you havent even tried to argue against my point that you cant play a fg unless plays itself for you because you know its true. Im gonna play cotw now but have fun calling the game shit to the empty thread by yourself because *looks over posts* the graphics are bad LMFAO
>>531060929>Graphics are better than COTWHoly revisionism
>>531061667you're in here shitting on other games to put cotw over, don't act innocent
muh cotw is the true fighting game, others are just slop that play themselves uhhh cotw is just doomed to unpopularity unlike that slop that plays itself and holds your hand 24/7 uhh purely aesthetic bullshit to pretend fighting gameism
if you wanna go play your sorry sac o shit 6k game then why aren't you, unless it's because you AIIIIN'T GOT NOBOOOOOODY
(nobody)
nobody cares about cotw *tapdance into jazzhands*
but you're gonna come in here and run your mouth about OTHER GAMES in the process of trying to excuse why nobody touches your dimeless game rather than talk about its good points like some kind of vegeta complex
yeah innocent my ass, nerd
Is there no fg thread in /vg/ where people are happy with their games :/
https://x.com/fgc_daily/status/1944172016229396711?s=46
Snk fumbled again
>>531044589generational trvke
>>531065607this should be someone's twitter pfp
>>531062034I just got done playing some game and though Id see what you responded with, holy shit I am not disapointed. Look at how buckbroken these shitters get when you point out the truth to them that they cant play a fg unless it literally holds their hand for them
>nobody cares about cotw Clearly it lives rent free in your head hahahaha
>>531069161saar why you redeemed p
>>531062034Retard ESL. You don't belong in the Wolf Pack, Pablo. You never will.
Go back to Magic Plus KOF2002.
>>531070327no es burrito enchilada taco supreme
you dont understand, its okay when capcom makes some uncanny valley shit render because they added modern for me
I love you guys man
This is the best place after Tekken 8 shat the bed.
Will be here for KOF16.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AERwgNvgMmc
>when SNK does anything
>>531071756nice hat
one that is of course being worn after cutting the fat
It's always funny watching people here defend the most homogenized piece of scrubslop ever made because it says SNK on the box. I struggle to imagine something more pathetic than being a hipster about different flavors of shitty modern fighting games.
>>531074329but enough about sf6
what do you mean I cant mash my macro button to use one of my many autopilot system mechanics where I can go for muliple mix ups for free and corner carry from a basic bnb with the same looping oki that every character can do?! Wtf is this homogenised piece of shit?!
>>531075573Literally every character in this game has the exact same combo structure, and every ex causes hard knockdown (which means oki) . You guys are seriously so fucking bad at fighting games you don't even understand the basic mechanics of the game you supposedly love.
>>531076141What's there to kill? It's already dead
>>531075931>Literally every character in this game has the exact same combo structurewelcome to fighting games where simple combo structures for bnbs are similar for every character in every game but unqiue character combos come from the variation in character tool kits unlike another game which is just button button mechanic button button corner throw loop as the most optimal way to play
>every ex causes hard knockdown is this bitch crying about hard knockdowns in a fighting game?
>>531076583You say oki is for scrubs in other games, but oki in this game makes it the best game ever in the same post. You need to go back to your remedial ESL class Paco.
>>531077176oh Im sorry you're retarded, I was making a satirical post about this other retard
>>531074329 it seems like a lot of you retards spend all your free time talking about stuff you hate instead of doing stuff you like. Just so you know oki in cotw isnt as straight forward as something like dash up throw loop or system mechanic with bright colour for auto timed oki you actually have to think a little bit more because you cant run the same oki set up for every knock down but I know you're retarded and thats too much for you to handle
>>531077785>it seems like a lot of you retards spend all your free time talking about stuff you hate instead of doing stuff you like.like complaining about OTHER game from OTHER company
yeah that's the stuff *nods affirmingly*
>>531065607Humiliation ritual
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>>531078428>retard says retarded thing>shows the retard why what he said was retarded>retards brain malfunctions honestly you could have shut me down at any point by simply saying "I dont play sf6" but you do and the reason you dont like cotw is because its not as easy as dix. Its okay, you can go back to playing your first fighting game I promise you'll eventually grow up
>>531078852i don't have to shut down anything, you work yourself into a shoot all on your own without my help
wahhhh other game from other company more popular than mine, i will cope by talking down on them even though they don't give a shit about my existence or even cotw in general, and in the same breath i'm gonna cry about people clapping back and act like they're the ones seething when i spent half the thread seething about other games being popular despite playing themselves for you, wahhhhh
>>531079243nobody crying but you lil bro, you're in here crying about a game you dont like. thats pretty sad. Its okay, go mash button in your first fighting game you might even be able to random out someone a higher rank than you! doesnt that sound fun?!
>>531079497nice lie but even your post betrays you
I thought SNK will put great care for the SF guest characters, but on the contrary, they donโt care anymore and it shows. Youโre delusional if you think there will be two more seasons. Theyโre rushing the current season to start working on the next game
>>531082524>Youโre delusional if you think there will be two more seasonsHow? Oda has mentioned this...
>>531077785>it seems like a lot of you retards spend all your free time talking about stuff you hate instead of doing stuff you like. What are you talking about? One of the things I've been enjoying most lately is trashing CoTW.
>>531083473>One of the things I've been enjoying most lately is trashing CoTW.Thats kinda sad. I don't like COTW but at least it offers good gameplay compared to the other fgs.
>>531075573dude most of the characters in this game have EX neutral ski--er, "gap closers" that you then cancel into another move that is both safe or even plus on block and leads to a combo on hit, you can do this at any point including the very start of a match, and your resources are plentiful enough to do this incredibly often. it is admittedly pretty legit that the way you're given to deal with this is via a difficult to use guard cancel system and yet that difficulty empowers the scrub shit which is undeniably present in this game.
that all is not to mention that optimal combos are braindead easy to perform AND to find opportunities to perform to the point that it just doesn't even feel that good, contrast to chaining lights into a special or super in an old game which is simple but rewarding (again, both in execution of the combo itself and in finding/capitalizing on an opening)
When people here criticize CotW's combo structure, they aren't talking about doing the same motions over and over again. Because that aspect is the same as the modern games they like: GBVSR and SF6.
What they really have a problem with is how all the parry and guard cancel mechanics they don't like were dumped into that combo structure.
>>531089543I personally hate how you're always given full meter at every round start just like in SF6.and GBVSR. If KOFXVI ever takes cues from CotW, SF6, and GBVSR about just giving you EX moves at the very start, I'm out.
>What they really have a problem with is how all the parry and guard cancel mechanics they don't like were dumped into that combo structure.This also fucking sucks but for other reasons,, parry mechanics and parry-likes are shitty elements to put into games, in action games they make combat into braindead simons, and in fighting games they're often cheap/lazy ways to add "defensive depth" and put too much burden on the defender since they're often in games with elevated offensive prowess.
>>531089935 they make combat into braindead simon says*
>>531078794terry...easy on the fast food...
>>531067905Arin Hanson ken cosplay
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I pray to god these Saudi fuckers don't get SNK to tone down the fan service for the females.
>>531096061>muh saudisYou better pray Oda doesnโt
>>531069161Write in english next time, you mud dweller
>>531089227>difficult to use guard cancel systemif you take a little bit of time in the lab you can pretty reliably guard cancel a lot of these mutil hitting ex moves that are plus or safe. If you're struggling then just do a quater circle back input and OS any 214 move that you have and see if it works to punish. Its honestly not that hard and if you do it right you will jd or just stay blocking. For hyper defence just do it in actual block strings and you can do it pretty reliably into a super, with hotaru I can hyper dence command grab through a lot more things than I cant
>>531089227>that all is not to mention that optimal combos are braindead easy to perform AND to find opportunities to perform to the point that it just doesn't even feel that good, contrast to chaining lights into a special or super in an old game which is simple but rewarding (again, both in execution of the combo itself and in finding/capitalizing on an opening)I hope one day modern devs will remember this. There has to be a middle ground between requiring 1-frame links to combo off a light and 5 minute long combos that do 70% and are braindead to execute.
both geese and joe will be at evo
Didn't dataminers say Geese had a second theme and a lot of shared stuff with other playable characters? I remember someone posting about a character select animation too
>>531110295>Alfred was actually going to be brought back in a game that you can actually play with people>COTW is going to be MVCI'dwell at least people will play Dominated Mind with me now that duckstation has rollback right ha ha
>>531114131not developed by capcom that's for sure
>>531112368>COTW is going to be MVCI'dThe difference between MVCI and CotW is that MVCI had zero plans for a Season 2 to begin with. You don't end a game with a lopsided roster like that if shit was actually planned right. CotW might not reach S3, but S2 is basically guaranteed given they're working on it alongside S1
No shows for COTW? That cost is wild
>>531110094Rick is the coolest ff scrimblo
>>531044589>People who dont play fighting games but watch youtubers like maxdood or sajam who have talked about the game with rose-tinted glasses, show off the IP and characters, and people want it to be relevant again so that they can pretend to enjoy fighting games while they just fawn over the charactersIronically you just called out the people who asked for COTW
>>531115372>no showsevo doesnโt give refunds though?
>>531096061>I pray to God these Saudi fuckers don't get SNK to tone down the fan service for the females.They already did though? COTW only have 4 (FOUR) females, and from them
>One looks like a tranny>One is moeshit>One have a hot body but fucked up face>One is Mai (*classic costume missing byw)Can things get worse? Only time will tell
ah yes the fatal fury series known for its 50/50 male female split
>>531118727They could have done a good job with the few females in the game, but even that SNK managed to fuck up
>the fatal fury series known for its 50/50 male female splitMaybe bringing FF back in the first place was a mistake
>>531118727People aren't asking for a 50/50 split but atleast don't fucking take out girls that couldv'e been in the game and then put two pieces of shit guests. If you want 17 characters there should atleast be 6 girls.
>>531121419To be fair the other two options not in the game are Tsugumi and Xiangfei, neither of which would've made as much of a difference as Salvatore or Ronaldo. Blue Mary is coming eventually and we also have Chun-Li on the way
The fault more so lies in MotW's roster once again
>>531122128Blue Mary should've been in the base roster
>>531122128THE ISSUE IS THAT BLUE MARY AND CHUN LI SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BASE ROSTER. You make a new outfit for blue mary then punt her off to season 2? Capcom gives you full rights for chun and you DON'T put her in the base game?
>>531122370Probably but that wasn't happening cause muh MotW
>>531124583Prioritizing the MotW roster. Besides people would rather these characters be DLC because they get "more attention" given the base roster for most modern fighting games are a dumping ground for "the essentials" or whatever new slop the studio feels like shitting out while the rest of the DLC passes are vets
So CotW, an already anemic game, has to wait like 2 years to get the roster it should've gotten
>>531125603>Prioritizing the MotW roster.I don't remember the MOTW roster prioritizing an aging futbol player and a two-bit DJ.
>>531125603We saw how much attention ANDY brought to the game lol
>>531017093okay, link me to something you wanted me to do better. I don't know if you've realized, but he's a man of few words, so I have to oftentimes ad lib a bit
>>531089227why must EX moves always be neutral skippers or braindead combo extenders. Always safe, always rewarding. Theres gotta be new ways to spend meter than "do special move BUT SUPAH BETTER"
FGs really need an indie scene or smaller IPs to experiment because shit's stale as fuck atm.
>>531129557the Andy boost was not what we all expected but DO NOT lose hope. We got Ken and Mr Big Boost, who are guarenteed to bring more players. Do not lose hope. Do NOT stop howling. The Wolf Pack will win in the end.
>>531135194Experimentation will lead to people saying it's weird. FGC can't even handle KOF hops
>>531135939>FGC can't even handle KOF hopsI will never ever understand this point when Smash has had short hops since the very inception yet Smash was constantly mocked for not being fighting games especially from oldheads.
Short hops are no different than something like air dashing for movement in neutral.
How hard is Angel really?
Doesn't matter how many female characters they put in the game if they look like shit.
There's more blender porn based on Mai model from sf6 alone than the entirety of snk made model since 2016. Snk's shit are simply undesirable, and they somehow keep using that shit for 10 fucking years with only difference being sloppy filters, saturation, and over shadowing that makes the character models doesn't fit with the stages.
>>531139627Please point out the models that they reused in COTW so i can laugh at you for being retarded
>>531138972overstated difficulty, she just filters people from the character select screen because she requires a different mindset to use her kit.
>>531009194I've been a pro Clayton poster for long enough to remember when he was the one who originally said that EX moves were bad for fighting games and it would eventually come to this for every game. Second to none in terms of insight really.
>>531150654We got Preecha instead of this
>>531122128>>531150654>Forgetting about Alice
>>531115372>$601 for an entry feeBut apparently $80 for a video game is too much!
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>>531164325We're really not going to get a balance patch until after Evo, huh?
>>531165159Maybe the devs are happy with the current state of the game?
Someone wanna play some XV later today?
>>531109537One of the three themes listed in the files that doesn't have an actual track accompanying it is "Onions Sauce Flavor for Geese", there's a few lines relating to materials/colors that he has and Fallen Rock doesn't, he had a movelist in the beta(unfinished and had some weird naming conventions so likely for internal use), he has a full set of normals whereas Fallen Rock has one crouching and one jumping normal(and maybe not even an air REV Blow?), and he has an animation/rig for sitting on the EOST menu(he had it day 1 when Ronaldo didn't).
Either he's coming at some point or got cut later in development, I assumed it was the former but with SNK's recent track record it could be the latter.
>>531150654I am beyond livid that Xiangfei is missing both XV and CotW
>>531165159Game's balance is fine overall
Top players are just always gonna tierwhore when this much money's on the line
I hope the game's patches are as infrequent and inconsequential as possible so as to prolong top tier haters' suffering
What's SNK's track record with balancing their games?
>>531135939>FGC can't even handle KOF hopsFGC are scrubs. But the problem with a lot of post 2002 KOFs isn't hops, it's that they nerfed meterless anti airs. If you react and do a split-second DP with most of those who have it, unless you're like Iori, it trades. That is a broken system. They don't reward varied gameplay skills. Just ff the top of my head
>light and heavy fireballs do the exact same damage>sometimes light and heavy DPs scale the same>lk lp xx special is scaled to same damage as lp lp xx special>anti air counter DP does same damage as heavy normal attack>nerfed fireball damage>good zoning gives your *opponent* meter>nerfed fireball pushbackThey just don't reward varied play styles and make sure they nerf you until everyone plays one way. It's fucking boring, bro.
>>531031968This. GUEST Ganucci has a stage, yet Andy and Dong have jack shit. On top of that, Andy's Hidden Gear is trash, but GUEST Ken has a stage and a way better Gear that looks like they put effort into it. It just gives off the impression SNK care more about the guests than their own fucking characters. It reeks of shitting on fans to bend over for people who don't give a fuck. I started getting that feeling with Nu SNK after Samsho, and it put me off buying XV at launch.
>>531172375>I hope the game's patches are as infrequent and inconsequential as possible so as to prolong top tier haters' sufferingThere's below 150 people playing the game at the moment. Not just the balance, everything that snk doing is inconsequential at this point.
>>531133152>I don't know if you've realized, but he's a man of few wordsoh but i did and i've always said he has that subdued kind of personality like one of the director/producer guys from trigger who has no personality other than drawing and animating which aren't actually personalities
>>531144557i had similar thoughts about ex moves right around the time xiii was coming out to consoles and we were seeing ex moves come into play more often from other characters besides k dash, which is about some time before i had ever heard of clayton and around the time i got banned from atlus forums for sharing a leak of the xiii dlc kek
ex moves to me just came off as uncreative, like "it's the same move but hits more/juggles" and its primary function was just more combo hits for more damage but also would cause more scaling since the combo scaling was determined by the number of hits i think, but besides that, a lot of them were combo tools and not much else, like if it was a command grab it was "you can combo after this version" if it wasn't "faster activation time + invincibility maybe"
like you can argue that there are some that have some real purpose like joe higashi's three tornadoes, kyo's hcb+kk, maybe athena's saiko booru being a super slow moving version (but that shouldn't really be an ex move)
then again it's all darkstalkers' fault for setting that kind of precedent
>>531191184uh... jackie chan?
>>531191184darude sandstorm
billy vs kain - 22 games 50% - 50%
hoku vs kain - 21 games 28.57% - 71.43%
billy vs hoku - 20 games 40% - 60%
kain vs terry - 16 games 50% - 50%
billy vs billy - 8 games
hotaru vs terry - 8 games 62.5% - 37.5%
hoku vs terry - 8 games 37.5% - 62.5%
hoku vs gato - 7 games 42.86% - 57.14%
kain vs hotaru - 6 games 66.66% - 33.33%
billy vs terry - 5 games 40% - 60%
billy vs hotaru - 4 games 75% - 25%
kain vs gato - 4 games 75% - 25%
kain vs kain - 4 games
billy vs gannaci - 3 games 66.67% - 33.33%
billy vs marco - 2 games 0% -100%
kain = 77 appearances in 28 sets and 138 games - 55.80%. 5 players. 56.16% winrate
billy = 72 appearances - 52.17%. 6 players. 40.625% winrate
hoku = 56 appearances - 40,58%. 4 players. 42.86% winrate
terry = 37 appearances - 26.81%. 1 player. 51.35% winrate
hotaru = 18 appearances -13.04%. 2 players. 44.44% winrate
gato = 11 appearances - 7.97%. 1 player. 45.45% winrate
gannaci = 3 appearances - 2.17%. 1 player. 33.33% winrate
marco = 2 appearances - 1.45%. 1 player. 100% winrate
>>531194624You cannot criticize anything about the game ever, you MUST love ALL aspects of it.
>>531194908this
if you do not indiscriminately defend even the TOTALLY not bad aspects of the game, you are not a true fan and we will find a -schizo label for you in hopes that will shut down any criticism attempts you have
snk be like 'lets make kains charge time even easier'
>>531196401so stop making it everyone else's problem and go complain on twitter under their posts
no one from snk is going to see your esl-tier rants here
>>531197979>Just expose yourself publicly to schizoids who will track you down bro trust me I'm definitely not spending all day harassing people doing just thatThe actual answer is submitting feedback to SNK directly, they have a feedback form in their shitty Discord that is actually passed on to devs.
>>531197979this
if you spend all day complaining about snk instead of loving them unconditionally and praising everything they do then go touch grass, chudcel esl-schizos!
>>531198652>feedback formThey hardly do anything with it. It's just there to make it seem like they're listening.
On that note, can you imagine SNK having someone like Harada interacting with the community.
>>531198787you don't actually give a shit about any of that. shut the fuck up.
>>531198652no said you have to type "hey i'm anon from neog" on your posts you know. if all snk sees are shill posts on their socials then they won't be bothered to improve.
>>531199434>you don't actually give a shit about any of that. shut the fuck up.this
if you can't help but mock the snk marks then you need to find something better to do and go learn game development or something until you understand how easier it really is to balance smaller rosters
>>531199151Just look at how Harada is handling the season 2 discourse vs how Oda almost completely disappeared after the CR7 backlash
>>531200010It is easier but you have to actively want to balance the roster which they obviously don't want to lmao
>>531200361Harada was always the goat in the industry even his worst is infinitely better than every other fighting game dev. Tekkenfags don't know what they have
>>531193263>kain vs hotaru - 6 games 66.66% - 33.33%>billy vs hotaru - 4 games 75% - 25%>hotaru = 44.44% winrateBuff Hotaru?
>>531200361>Oda almost completely disappeared after the CR7 backlashThat's because his ass is effectively fired. When the preorders didn't hit millions a week after Ronaldo was announced they knew he was done. The CEO stepping down was probably the only thing keeping him on payroll, and he's probably relegated to a figurehead role while they prepare to start restructuring their teams.
They have been quiet as fuck for the past 3 months now. No interviews, no press-releases, nothing. Probably because they know they'll be asked about how much of a bomb COTW was in sales and capturing anyone new, how fucking stupid the DJ and Ronaldo inclusions were, how absolutely no-one liked/likes nor wants them, and much more.
>>531150654If they bring Xiangfei, she needs a new redesign. That type of haircut is no longer popular even in Chinese games or donghua.
>>531206382this, give her a ponytail
>>531204335He got promoted to Vice president though...?
Petz are the pride and glory of SNK.
Metal Slug? Art of Fighting? Who gives a shit, go change the diapers of your dog rn!
>>531206541Thats called failing upwards into a useless position.
Iโve never heard of VP positions within companies ever being useful.
>>531206382@grok, make a picture of this man being milked by an snk logo and his udders pour out money all over the snk logo
>DarkAngel has to use every single guard cancel, hyper defense, and single hit super confirms just to get 3rd against people mashing an endless string of Kain feint cancels who can't even consistently JD
If he played literally any of the top 4 he would have just taken the whole tournament undefeated.
KOF games anyone?
>>531206382kys
>>531206494Donโt expect anything smart or innovative from the infamous petz devz. They even fucked up Ken the guest character who everyone was anticipating (seriously a beard that looks like that?), subpar animations and a bad hidden gear. They will just copy paste her.
>>531191184Technically, all of these are true except B.
Jeff trained him and Terry as kids
Tung trained him after Jeff died
Hanzo trained him in Koppo and Ninjutsu after he learned Hakkyoseiken from Tung.
>>531207319>the snk bootlicker who is so used to being served shitYou can have the classic costume as an alt reseteratranny.
>>531208885This honestly looks better. But keep the bell. Thereโs also Toph hairstyle thatโs cool also.
>>531206382It wasn't even popular when she came out, Xiangfei is one of the biggest SNK flops until the new era
>Have to spend 25 meter and risk dying every time Billy presses a button just to do a scaled knockdown that he is immediately safe from because of the special boy block button
I think this game might just actually suck
They could bring outside artists like Gacha games do and have them make the concept for the visual design of the characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvj4dhsK58
I WILL BE THERE
> Hate just defend, hyper defend, and guard cancel defense mechanics.
> Hate them even more because they're too difficult.
> And have even more hate for the scrub defensive mechanics, rev blow and rev guard, that were added for people hating the difficulty of defense -- because they're too easy.
This is the worst game for parry haters, even worse than 3S or MotW.
Is there anything actually credible to the "(Nightmare) Geese being surprise FreeLC announcement" other than pointing to XV Omega Rugal/Goenitz and him being a boss character? I don't know how "complete" he is in the files/dummy wise, so please let me know.
>>531214248Didn't someone hack the game day 1 and reveal he has a fully functional player controlled moveset?
>>531208120What's wrong with the animations?
Cheap enough for me finally buy it.
But I'd rather buy it on cloud though
SNK brosโฆ weโre not the only losers.. yay!
>>531233061If true, it would be interesting to hear the story behind it. I assume it'd be because ArcSys would want to focus all their manpower on Tokon for now.
>>531233061Damon and Baby needs all those resources
>>531233061dude they are working on season 5 of strive and tokon arcsys is in no way losing right now.
>>531246197>Season 5 after the source code leaklmao
>>531246957>
Also do you think there was anything of actual importance in that leak? Old irrelevant dev builds, the moveset of a character they already planned to release literal weeks after, bit of unfinished lucy shit, and stills from that new visual novel they were working on.
>>531209127I guess SNK wanted their own token Chinese girl but she just never caught on compared to all the others.
>>531251696only time I liked Xiangfei was when they paired her with Hinako and Kasumi, tho Kasumi hard-carried that team. Add that to the list of potential never-to-bes like Lin, Oswald, May Lee, Malin, Jun, Kukri, etc, etc, etc. They just keep piling up with every KOF. The OPM syndrome: massive ass cast thats barely used or sees very little development
>>531252443I SWEAR WE ARE PLANNING SOMETHING, GUYS
SINCE KOF 2000, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING
SNK IS JUST BIDING HIS TIME FOR THE PLOT TWIST OF THE CENTURY
KOF WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, I SWEAR
MOST DEAD CHARACTERS HAVE COME BACK BUT
BUT I SWEAR THAT'S GONNA CHANGE
TRUST THE PLAN
TRUST ODA-SAN
Why do (non players) think SamSho is whiff punishment and footsies heavy focused game like their playing a shoto mirror in Street Fighter? As in, literally who is spreading that narrative?
Sam Sho is basically hard reads and call outs : The game and then some characters have oki setups that make you guess harder than some shit you would see in BBCF.
>>531266676I also think people like to conflate "footsies" with the broader term of "neutral", or just use them interchangeably.
>>531276251That's dumb because true footsies don't exist anymore.
Nobody is spamming cr.lk's as a wall anymore.
Everyone is making fun of how Ken looks in Cotw on twitter
Snk canโt stop fumbling the bag
>>531205687At least they know why it flopped. No amount of corporate cope will block out the fact their biggest paid shill (Max) refused their sponsorship and told everybody why.
>>531204335I want to see Oda beg for FORGIV-A-NESS PREASE-U on livestream.
>>531197979kek at this seething faggot trying to police who can say what and when. Get the Jubei figurines out of your butthole, you Clown Syndrome cuck.
>>531254634>SINCE KOF 2000, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING
The ChrisG crashout stream was better than grand finals
100 people watching MWI. I don't know what even is that game.
FF is not the least popular game. And it is not even close.
>>531296404>their biggest paid shill (Max) refused their sponsorship and told everybody why.Will they finally learn that sucking western cock will get them nowhere? Or is it genetic now for japs to worship whitey and spread their asscheeks wide for them? I think itโs the latter.
>we arr berry sorry masta, we will make ash gay and trans in kof16 prease be happy!
>when even those who hate me end up (inadvertantly) defending me because they too are probably fed up with snk's lackadaisical approach
>>531307637What is "pandering" to Americans in KOF? Contrary to what the Jenny schizo believes, none of the characters are on the LGBT+ spectrum at all. There isn't a single obnoxiously AMERICAN guy, and the one stage that has heavy western feels, the train stage, looks like shit. The two celebrity picks are literal whos in Burgerland, even Ronaldo since Americans don't give a flying fuck about sports that arent american football, baseball and basketball. All the e-celebs SNK chose to market the game with are also literal whos. I guess the OST? Some tracks sound kinda like faux boomer rock?
>>531317085The comic book style, and the boring sterilized story with zero tension or stakes. Everyone became muh friends
>>531323963I miss the 90s.
>>531302551>The ChrisG crashout stream was better than grand finalsSource? I want to see the seething
How useful has this guy been for SNK?
>>531335541who is he and what are/were his qualifications for whatever he does
>>531335980how is he even qualified for his job tho
tbf he's got some experience
>>531335541I don't know which patch did it, but I think Gato can now consistently hit the opponent with Air REV Blow after 623KK (it always used to whiff for me)
>>531337319>something for smartphones>esports shit>have no idea what triplepoint doesit looks like tecmo koei would be the only one that means anything directly, but the quality of work is hard to tell because the only games by tk i was aware of were maybe censored frame and the atelier games
>>531335541Very bad. He spends more time tweeting about nintendo games than actually engaging with the community
>>531317085COTW's entire marketing campaign was centred around marketing in big american events with big american e-celebs
The only thing people ever talk about when discussing this game is how fucking unbalanced and unfun Kain/Hokutomaru/Billy are, but the devs could not give less of a shit. They could probably have kept 200 people playing the game if it wasn't a complete clusterfuck of an anikuso. I'm glad this shit could barely scrape 3000 viewers for their premiere event because it deserves to be a massive fucking failure for how unironically bad it is.
Fighting games are finished
Just kill off the genre
>>531349712Aiming for esports was always the wrong thing to do. You're only seeing it now because the genre's depth was eroded to appeal to people who do this as a job and need an easy paycheck
>>531330956mangas have been outsolding comic books for years. you are thinking of the shading, which isnt exclusively a western thing. the plot of everyone being friends is a japanese thing lmao look at fucking Guilty Gear and SF.
>>531343752e-celebs such as who? Maximilian? guy's only big in the FG crowd. guy's most famous is yelling NIGGER. The ad at wrestlemania was a joke since wrestling is nowhere near as big in Japan
I'll never understand the hype behind that Maximilian guy.
>>531351524> You like UFC and MMA... martial arts and wrestling... so you like "fighting", right?! You like "fighting games", right?!?!
>>531352309He's the result of slim picking for people who want to waste their life talking about video games AND like fighting games
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>>530897545 (OP)>ITT weird SNK shit youve foundI remember being young and wanting to read about KOF. My innocent child eyes ended up reading a gay fanfic starring Shingo and Kyo buttfucking in a school's gym. I did not realize it was a gayfic until the fucking started.
Shockingly enough, whoever the author was, they incorporated Shingo's critical hits in the fucking. That haunts to this day.
>>531361178I read the first issues. It was alright but the premise gets old quickly. Iori is hilarious as well
>>531364487>the old orange DM flashAbsolute fucking kino
Whoever did this, did a fucking good job.
Why can't they put this into a game?
>>531361178Not yet.
Is Kensou fucking Athena in this iteration?
>>531351524>e-celebs such as whoIshowspeed and KSI
>>531372483No, and Athena has more chemistry with Iori in that manga LMAO. Imagine being cucked by a raging homosexual.
How the hell do I get games for KOF on fightcade if I'm in NA and everyone's 1 bar?
Just pick one. In fightcade no ones is too quibbler.
Let's not die now /neog/.
>>531401374Why not? SNK put all their eggs in a basket full of shit. Their iconic new franchise revival is a halfhearted mediocre fighting game with cringe inducing reverence for a literal who DJ and a soccer player that nobody outside the 3rd world knows except from meme videos drinking chocolate milk. If this is all that's left then the general deserves to die.
>>531401374Sure dog, let's run some sets. I havent touched KOF in a while, I warn ya. I got Last Blade 2 and Garou as well.
I hope the entire dev team for COTW gets fired and blacklisted. This is unforgivable trash.
>>531404495If not, they'll keep repeating the same mistakes. SNK seems incapable of learning
Some think SNK will die and they will auction their characters off.
Just let the guys who did KOFAS make KOFXVI
>>531345247Funny thing for me is how much SNK ignore all that, then triple down on updating characters and things nobody but Saudis and Oda care about.
Fans asking for balance
>nothingFans asking for more stages
>nothingFans asking for better menus
>nothingOda/Saudis:
>Hey, let's graphically improve Ganucci's stage in the PS4 update. It's URGENT. No other stage matters. Oda/Saudis:
>Least played character? Let's update Ronaldo's kits and waste time giving him an Arcade mode.
>>531351524>guy's only big in the FG crowd.And he's the biggest in the retarded FG crowd. So, obviously, with all the influencer cocksucking the FGC does, SNK were going to pay him to shill. It's both SNK and the FGC's fault.
>>531324465SNK fumbled by not giving Blue Mary some muscle tone. What were they thinking. Seriously. They had 6 fucking years between 14 and 15, and the modders did it in like a month after release.
>>531317085They pandered to the (Californian) FGC, but fucked that up as well. SNK always tries to have their cake and eat it, like the inclusion of technical defense in COTW, then the adding of Rev Blow and Rev Block. It's the same shit on a smaller level.
>>531419913Most of the move animations in AS are really good. Goes to show experience > all, instead of hiring some noobs whose only history is iPetz or whatever the fuck.
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Will you like this Xiangfei
>>531376416This is the only reply worth giving a shit LMAO. Nobody outside the FGC autistic spectrum gives a crap about Max. Look up his new video shilling Invincible. None of the normie hives give a crap about it.
Truth is, can't shill a game that looks like shit. CoTW is just Raid Shadow Legends, a funny ad your fav celebrity does and you safely ignore. Background noise in essence.
In spite of all the Terryschizo's attempts, the Wolf can't fucking howl, but instead whimper.
hate to say i told you so actually no i don't
>>531441990Thatโs a good point. Despite the ads and numerous memes nobody played it.
>>531413173You wish Nakayama.
>>531413173lol, lmao even
I wonder what this general was like before cotw got released
>>5314496392XKO
Marvel Touken
Invincible
NRS will probably announce another game
Dimps - Producing that boxing game
Virtua Fighter 6
SNK
Samurai Showdown RPG
Art of Fighting
SNK will bounce back. They never die!!!!!
>>531457653>They never die!!!!!yeah because they keep getting bought by other agencies from foreign nations
>>531455982you should just check the archives and investigate 9k sales
>>531457653Samsho rpg is fucked. The RPG production and direcrion level has never been so high in the industry
Let's say you put KOF XV graphics in COTW, you you think the reception would've been better?
>>531467134not really no
people weren't receptive to kofxv graphics either
a lot of it is on the modelers themselves, they for the most part seem so amateur, like no polish, not a lot of technical ability, probably drag ass on simple shit that most experts in their field tend to breeze right on through
the hardest part should be the armature itself but it seems like every step to them is a struggle
>>531460416>The RPG production and direcrion level has never been so high in the industryHaha...
>>531460416SamSho RPG is fucked because SNK probably isnt able to do it decently even for first entry standards.
That doesnt mean the rest of RPGs are in a good state though.
>>530897545 (OP)Capslop invasion
Capcucks get ye gone, we're talking about real games
Should've given Tekken 8 Mai
Fuck you Street Fighter fags.
>>531472002Thatโs a dead ip, the author ended the story because he got bored of it and it didnโt get as popular as fairy tail. A better comparison for SamSho, is NIOH 3, and it had warm reception.
Koei Tecmo are levels ahead. Looking forward to picking up Nioh 3 and Ninja Gaiden 4
>>531476465amakusa boss fight in ni-oh would be kind of cool
>>531467134No way. Apart from a small selection of models, XV is not a good looking game at all. The stages mostly look like crap, with no additional lighting effects, and the energy effects are terrible.
>>531455982Lots of SNK cultists in arrogant and obnoxious denial when real SNK fans told them what would happen. They cheered on every dumb move SNK made to the point where it almost seemed like they were crypto capcucks trying to help SNK fail.
>>531441990Correct. People think Max caters to casuals. Casuals don't know who the fuck Max even is. His audience is FGC scrubs deluding themselves. They call themselves casual when it suits them and they think devs should listen to them.
>>531481260>XV is not a good looking game at all.
>>531482810Are we going to do revisionism every time an SNK game comes out? I thought that was widely agreed on
>>531467134Why the fuck would you think downgrading the graphics would help? God fighting game players are so fucking retarded
>>531475595Tekken can still have Angel. Feels like doing Unchain combos there would fit like a glove.
>>531484046KOF XV graphics are better looking than COTW.
To me at least
Call me retarded, IDC
KOFXV is the ugliest game ever, rivaled only by KOFXIV
>>531484663It's more anime style which I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9SQ2vOQyY8&t=452s
I'm not the only 'Retard' who thinks this btw.
>>531488321I'm not sure how this proves your point. Most of the top comments seem to agree that COTW looks better
But both graphics in overall are shit. Let's not get it twisted. I just prefer KOF XV.
>>531457653>2xwho>invisible shovelware>sports gameyou nigga try to so hard to sound so smart
Very interesting character
>>531497275Honestly despite its faults in presentation, CotW's explanation for this is fundamentally satisfying. I feel whatever the fuck they had planned for MotW2 wouldn't have been anywhere near as interesting
SNK should make a jrpg before closing. It doesnโt set right with me that a Japanese gaming company doesnโt have a jrpg series? Seriously it deserves a seppuku.
>>531497779That Geese is descends from some evil chinese clan? How is that interesting? Not to say it makes Geese a mutt, but for latinx people itโs ideal actually so I understand.
Do they add new villains in games like Last Blade, Samsho, FF?
>>531498924Well for one, it makes the most underwhelming final bosses in Fatal Fury actually feel relevant and interesting and it justifies Rock's BS better than some ancient devil gene shit from his mom side or makes Geese anything more than just a normal ass sicko man. It's a very down to earth twist that ties Fatal Fury neatly in a little bow so we don't need the story to continue on for another 5 games like KOF and other fighters are doing. So the fact CotW is a flop doesn't matter in the grand scheme because now it can be retired with a satisfactory conclusion and SNK can focus on KOF going forward until they bankrupt again
Imagine fucking saying
>How is that interesting?As if this isn't objectively better than the rest of the genre's storytelling
>But story doesn't matterThen these games shouldn't have cinematic story modes. But they kind of do have to matter because they don't get adaptions to actually flesh out and explore the characters. The most successful fighting games aren't shit like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. They're adaptions like Smash, DBZ or Naruto. Shit that doesn't need story for appeal because you already know the characters. I appreciate CotW's story even knowing the rest of the game is underwhelming as fuck and very uninspired, or downright even fucking bad
>>531508805> some ancient devil gene shit from his mom sideYeah god forbid they do something interesting with his mother
>>531510139Did it work for Kazuya? Really doesn't look like people give a shit about Kazumi, to me
>>530958873it their family, like your mom that doesn"t give a shit about baseball, but its still in the crowed
>>531497779The reveal of Geese being the reincarnation of an ancient chink mystical is retarded
>>531519905Good contribution. The reveal he had a son he abandoned the same way he was is even more retarded
>>531489150CotW has the better "looking" Jenet.
But KOF15 has the more "faithful" Jenet.
.......................andy
The existence is of Rock himself is retarded. Now making a Geese clan is actually interesting, and the only route for them going forward, but they wonโt do it because theyโre lame japs. Also itโs funny that guy is saying FF can be retired?? Nigga they will do a sequel and it will be Rock having an apprentice kid.
>>531522063>They will do a sequel>With CotW's salesThis just became a one-and-done Anon. If you think SNK is making a fucking Fatal Fury sequel after this mess, you're infinitely more optimistic than me. The damn studio is called KOF Studio. It takes 5 years to make one fucking game now, and that's including the DLC. SNK is going back to KOF mode after they're done with this slop's DLC
>>531510747Ah. I guess it didn't work out for an unrelated franchise by another developer. Thank you for you insight anon. SNK should hire you.
>>531525763I'm saying it's not an instant smoking gun of a "oh, this would make the story better" trope. What SNK did was clever with the tools that they did have to work with. It would've been more revered if they actually had real presentation that people gave a shit about instead of the cheap ass looking comic stills of the game renders
Rock was infinitely more interesting as a kid who grew up in an irregular home with a tragic past involving an evil father and an unknown mother. Suddenly making his violent urges some kind of chinese mystical curse passed on genetically is fucking dumb, he should be struggling with that because the world expects it of him after taking away his parents. Now he's not a character, he's just a lazy trope. And his mom should have stayed dead instead of magically being alive all this time.
Why does COTW look so flaccid compared to KOF XV?
XV looked jank, but it still had some SNK coolness.
>>531527423All of this shit was completely set in stone by MotW by the way. Rock never got to be this character at ant point. He was literally introduced with evil blood and his mom being alive
>>531528306It has to be rushed because KOFXV's intros and presentation seem a lot more polished than CotW's. The fact CotW doesn't even HAVE unique intros says a lot
>>531488321jenet has a FEMININE manjaw
>>531528306you're just saying anything at this point
>>531537749He's right though
>>531537852You've all spent the entirety of the game's lifespan calling it ugly and ps3 and now it's suddenly always been cool looking. I guess that's what we'll be doing with cotw 4 years from now on.
>>531522826Lol how many fucking pre-designs did Preecha have.
>>531538582Nobody is even going to remember COTW existed in 4 years. At least KOFXV sold more than a thousand units.
Not even 4 years. Next year when all these other 2D fighting games drop and you have the FGC content creators clawing to get views and attention for them.
>>531540268Dude this game is cooked next year when Tokon drops. I doubt it'll even get acknowledged at Keighley's fraud show. It's easily SNK's biggest blunder yet and I think it might have set them back a decade
This game fundamentally does not fucking work at any level except professional because the system mechanics are all dogshit. Rev blow dominates even at pro levels because it's designed to not only NOT be reasonably reactable, but the primary counter to it is itself heavily punished by putting you into a crumple/wallbounce. Combine this with guard cancelling being overly tight on JD and HD you end up with a game where the primary play strategy is mindlessly going on offense fishing for counterhits because there is absolutely no downside to doing so since your offense loop will always be rewarded with meter regen, while the player on defense not only has to gamble the entire game to try and counter your offense but they have the privilege of spending more meter to do so than the player on offense. If I fucking wanted to play discount Slime Faggot 6 I could just play SF6 with modern controls. Why the fuck did they build an entire game just to be a dollar storeStreet Fighter?
>>531541046You're doing the thing. The "this game should be more like Street Fighter" thing. LMAO
>>531542795Game's issue is it's too much like Street Fighter, so it doesn't have appeal to people who weren't already SNK fans and can just play Street Fighter instead
I literally cannot tell anybody to play this game. it's just an SNK circlejerk. The only reason pros are playing this is because it's their job. There's no value in this game outside of its story, and nobody cares about that. SNK actually should just stick to KOF going forward because if this is "Fatal Fury's grand return" then they simply are not cutting it
>>531542795>>531543934Funny because one of KOF's biggest failings in recent times was trying too much to be Street Fighter, and here SNK doesn't learn jackshit about why that doesn't goddamn work, and they apply it two-fold by bringing back a series that was a parallel to Street Fighter.
KOF needs to NOT be Street Fighter.
Street Fighter needs to NOT be KOF
Tekken needs to NOT be KOF
Guilty Gear needs to NOT be Street Fighter
Fatal Fury was fucking doomed from the get go
KOF is KOF
Street Fighter is Street Fighter
Tekken is Tekken
Guilty Gear is Guilty Gear
Stop fucking homogenizing all these different game series into some weird homogenized one race within their own games with EX juggles, AND taking too much from other games. This fucking homogeneity feels like what would happen if globalism mentality fucking entered game development. This will be one of the many major undoing of Fighting Games going forward.
I always see this guy mad
>>531544879He's 100% right in everything he said
>>531544384>Fatal Fury was fucking doomed from the get goIf you dared to say something like this a few months ago all the retards on this general would've called you a hater/shitposter
>>531546975I think the writing was on the wall after the OBTs were abject failures
>>531546975>>531547532SNK really needs to try and stop sucking up to Max, Capcom, and whoever else and fucking just go by the characterization and identity of their games on their own merits. This even extends into their very own game design.
This is an ethos that is seriously hampering them right now because to everyone else they just look like bootleg Street Fighter but without the seeming benefits of a modern game.
B.Jenet - Man face
Mai - No classic costume
Preecha - Tranny
Hotaru - Just cute, that's it
>>531544879>mskeing>3 piles of shotHe was definitively crying while typing all that
Fucking braindead morons
It's reddit anyway
>>531544384This should have been a return to form, damn it.
No Out-out-bonds, lanes relegated to a mode nobody touches and they even added EX-combo extenders and a budget version of SF6 slime attack. You are right. City of the Wolves' gameplay is closer to Street Fighter than Fatal Fury
>>531574014That's why I really HOPE there will be a COTW Special.
With all of those things.
>>531525763>SNK should hire you.this
we should copy business and creative norms from other companies and games and then complain about other companies or games being hit as hard criticism wise as snk's so we can come up with conspiracy theories
>>531580856*and then complain about other companies or games NOT being hit as hard
MOK explaining in youtube what he should have done against Terry.
...If only I understood japanese...
>>531497779Yeah, I hated the "evil blood" for years and it was probably my singular reason for never caring for Rock as a character since it felt so out of place for a Fatal Fury character. Making it Jin Scrolls shenanigans, while not a clean fix, makes it much more appropriate and fitting for the setting.
>>531598003imagine if rock's arcade mode had a shadow apparition of his mother blaming *him* for her being gone, leading to this kind of reaction. rock's insecurities with being unable to live up to terry, find truth without kain, or be his own person without relying on the ideologies of those around him. really cement that he feels he's weak, that he can only grasp power by controlling others much like his father. rock's greatest fear was turning into the same man Geese was and Fallen Rock barely touches on this. let rock decide the shape second south should take as one of communal support where people lift each other at their lowest instead of pushing other people away until they fall and you're the only one left standing. literally fucking anything instead of what we got in the game.
>>531599112but bro what if like rock turned into geese instead dude like woah bro that'd be fuckin od
>>531599112Rock wasn't Mr. Potential Man like half the KOF cast, his role in the game was always going to just be edgy chuuni "I must face myself" crap that wasn't going to lead anywhere interesting. The only reason people liked him was because Tonko is or was idk what happened with Preecha a good character design that made a perfect bishounen protag. Fatal Fury was already completely cooked the moment they tried to "next Gen" the cast. The blatant failure of being unable to make a character that was truly "unique" or "engaging" extends to being unable to make a game that's the same. It's as generic of a fighting game as you can get and that's the real reason it failed. SNK fans will forevermore now be saying "at least it wasn't X" because it could've gone much worse than it did, but it's not ambitious, and that's really what we have to deal with now. 3 years of an unambitious game that brings back characters who should've been brought back 10 years ago
Even KOFXV was more ambitious and it knows it's getting a sequel. CotW is a one-and-done
>>531600045ZAMN Anon-sama! Ona should totally fucking hire yoU!!!!! In fact, this inspired me to draw concept art of "Evil Rock". Not sure if he should be called like that.
>>531604086maybe somethin more like... dark rock!
Why'd they make him put on Geese's outfit though.
Couldn't they invert his colours or some shit
>>531605619Because the Hakama is too iconic and since Nightmare Geese is an SNK secret boss that only hardcore players will see, they wanted to make a representation of that look be the final boss. They also couldn't randomly stick him in Jin clothes because that would give up the twist why Rock has boiling blood
If they really wanted to be thematic it should've been a suit. You can't fuck that look up
>>531606317>it should've been a suityeahhhhh
Fuck that would've looked great
Also big dude in the back is called Grant?
Will he be released as a DLC in the future?
>>531607294No he's dying. Vox has his moveset
>>531607676I forgot Vox existed...
>>531608361So did SNK after they nerfed him
>>531608858Deserved. Anyone with a divekick should be garbage.
>>531607676>No he's dying.Fuckkkkkkkkk. I like his design alot
Was his firing basically a cover up or deserved?
>>531630170And less than 1/3 of them will even play
>>531630170This is the only year CotW will be getting attention. Shit's gonna drop hard next year
>>531630170Fraudulent 3rd place since 70% of those people will DQ. Strive is the real 3rd game.
Brake DPs should be -5 on block across the board.
>>531630170Unironically I can see it doing less than MK1 next year
COTW IS THIRD PLACE DOODS, SNK HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
Well it depends on what SNK does with COTW which will probably be nothing good since the people at SNK now are FUCKING TRASH and less talented than the real SNK was years ago, but I suspect COTW will drop to 6th place next year behind Tokon, Strive, and 2XKO.
>>531634778MK1 at the very least has a shitty movie coming up to keep people interested. All COTW has is million dollar events with the same 3 characters in it's future.
>>531635549If there's still any competent person left at SNK they will kill COTW as soon as the last DLC character drops and go straight into KOF16
>But muh 3 years of supportOda said that before the game flopped, wonder why he didn't made any new statement since?
>>531636579Oda wasn't even the one that said that, that was a community manager during the various pre-release discussions.
>>531636579CotW is getting two years of support minimum, but most likely three tops. SNK will have to rely on their SamSho Team if they want to make money because CotW is just going to be burning a hole through their pockets for the time being. Cancelling any future DLC would be MORE catastrophic than finishing it, but I feel once Season 2 is done it's fucking over for the game
I genuinely cannot believe KOF Studio couldn't handle making this game AND KOFXV DLC at the same time. There's no fucking way the teams could be that crunched. Maybe it really was Dong and Ronaldo that rocked the boat
They're current aim is to work fast asf and get the characters done for the three seasons.
No way they should abandon ship because that would just ruin their reputation more (which is already shit lol)
>>531637127>CotW is getting two years of support minimum, but most likely three tops.Not going to happen. Dedicating any more time and resources into this game is just a money sink, it's objectively better to just end the game on the Mr. Big patch and divert any and all other teams to other projects in the meantime. Even if we're being generous and assume they can sell 500 season 2 passes at $50 each that doesn't even cover 1 junior dev's salary for the year spent on it. Nothing can recover from the death spiral the game put itself in on launch, they need to cut their losses.
>>531637916>it's objectively better to just end the game on the Mr. Big patch
>>531637916Thing is they already have data for Seasons 2+3 in the game. That's why it would be a waste of resources to abandon ship immediately. That's more money lost, especially if you make Season 2+3 paid you can recoup some costs. I don't think there's enough justification to get to work on a Season 3, but Season 2 has more than enough to shit out before jumping ship
Like we already saw Duck King and Mary have models. Jae Hoon has more data than Freeman that was scrubbed because they couldn't crunch him in along with Dong. Characters like Krauser, Kasumi and Ryo already have voice acting dedicated to them and that's one of the LAST things you do in development because it's irrelevant to the fundamental production. That's why previous KOF DLC barely has any voice acting/scenes
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What is Oda thinking right now?
He's thinking Art of Fighting is gonna be a success
I still can't believe Xiao Hai lost. To fucking Kain of all characters.
GO1 decided to beast mode and ate. Can't wait to see the rematched at EVO and SNK Cup.
>>531643679With Oda promoted to VP, first thing they need is to find a good designer to take his old place.
>>531642178>I wonderu iffu seppuku wirru be more painfuru zan ze rokkus Purincu Sarumanu wirru tsurow atto me
I don't know who needs to hear this, but the solo punch from all strengths of power dunk are punishable on hit. Do not let these fucking Terry apes trick you into thinking it's their turn, they whiff that first hit and it is still your turn to rip their asshole in half even if you forget to block the follow up.
Every SNK fighting game, as a product, gets progressively better than the one preceding it. But in a downward trend, they perform progressively worse in the video game market.
I have no doubt that KOF16 will become their best fighting game ever. But it could potentially be their worst performing game ever as well.
>>531566012This feels like it was that guy who wouldn't shut up about Michael Max a long time ago because of their BBC fetish.
>>531651948Fighting games don't need 40 Mike Tyson expys, there's a reason SNK will still bring up literal who's like Richard Meyer but NEVER talk about Michael Max. He's the most throwaway archtype in the genre.
Anyone ever play this? I did at a store.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y1uh-bx6l8
>>530897545 (OP)>woaw chat im so hyped for COTW of the Wolves AWROOOOOOOO man like Fatal Ferret is my fav fighting game since CvS2>YOOOOOOOO trailer's on fireeee- woah woah Rapenaldo? I'm sorry but this is too far. We gotta respect women and have standa->YOOOOOOO BASED GANUCHAD? MORE LIKE SALVADOR DOS VIDEOJUEGOS AMIRITE YOOOOOL HYPE!!!!>oh CoTW came out, k>anyways Invincible???? Made by Killing Instinct devs??? YOOOOOOOOOOO>thanks for the autograph SNK, I swear ill main rock day one- oh wait the game is out- next week ill main rock i swear->MAHVEL??? MAHVEL STRIVE???? BASED ARCSYS?YOOOOOO
>>531649620Because they make incomplete, rushed out games, then lazily abandon them.
Andy
>No stage
Guest Ken
>Stage
Joe
>No stage
Guest Chun Li
>Stage
Mr. Big
>No stage
It's gonna go like that, isn't it?
>>531654028This post is how I learn the KI devs are making the cringey Invincible game. That might be the only selling point that shit has.
>>531654028Pretty much. An endless cycle of consumi-slop.
>>531546975Fucking this. The denial was stronk, but it's obvious when SNK are gonna fuck up and what with. Shame the schizos cope until they can't cope no more.
>>531544384Ironically, the further kof strayed from sf, the less popular it got. 96 - 98 were traditional 2D style games, like sf, but at the time, better. What kof is now is so far from that, it's some niche comboslop. The problem is kof is copying MODERN sf, which in itself isn't even sf anymore either.
>>531548271Oda doesn't know what identity snk chars have, because he was only there near the end, and as a minor staff member. He wasn't part of the OG dev team inspired by martial arts movies and 80s manga. Completely different mindset.
>>531528306Those proportions and key posing is exactly why the game isn't attractive.
>XV looked jank, but it still had some SNK coolness.Classic cotw Terry shits all over XV Terry. Better stages, too.
>>531656109The OG devs are long gone, Anon. Composers too. Artists, not sure. Only Shinkiro seems to remain. Of all the VAs, seems like Athena is the last OG VA from that era which started in 94, kept on rolling in 95, pieces were set in 96 and came to an end in 97. And truly ended in 98.
>>531656109>inspired by martial arts movies and 80s mangaTbf, I don't think that'd be a successful formula today. Times have moved on and we're a bunch of Unc's that are out of touch with the youth. Most of the people that used to play games back in the day have moved on to families and careers, the company can't rely on the few losers like us that fell through the cracks.
>>531657472damn nigga did you really have to drop a truthbomb like that on a thursday night
>>531654028Off topic but why are FGC content creators giving games like that new HxH nen impact fg attention? 60 bucks for shitty ps3 graphics and bad netcode?
Why's this acceptable in 2025 lol
It's like the FGC bend down and let their asses get fucked.
Seeing the premium season pass for season 3 of SF6 be almost the same price as COTW with it's free season pass gave me whiplash.
>>531657391There are others:
>Harumi Ikoma has been King since AoF1.>Kong Kuwata has been Geese since FF3 and Genjuro since SS2.>Monster Maezuka has been Benimaru and Choi since KOF '94 and Kyoshiro since SS1.>Hiroyuki Arita and been Chang since KOF '96.
>>531657472yyh guests would save nen impact
>>531658339They'll stop giving a shit in a week, the exception being Broski because he's a genuine Hunter x Hunter fan. It's the eternal FGC cycle. Just talk about whatever gets you views, and as soon as a topic is less popular than endlessly bitching about SF6 you drop it and go back to SF6.
>>531658669Oh, and I forgot Takehito Koyasu has been voicing Shingo since 97.
I am getting more Mai brap commissions.
>>531649620>Every SNK fighting game, as a product, gets progressively better than the one preceding it. How so? Samurai Shodown is a much better game than COTW, in fact the rank of nuSNK games go like this for me
>Samurai Shodown > KOFXV > KOFXIV > COTW > SNK Heroines
>>531660124It took a while for samsho 2019 to be good. Release samsho compared to release cotw is night and day.
>>531657472Modern KOF neither appeals to Zoomers or Boomers, so there's that. I said before, and I'll say it again: There needs to be a massive-shake up next KOF. Linear tournament story doesn't work anymore, not without some twists. There need to be new faces, shit kids want to see not a 60 year old's idea of what cool is. After COTW, I think the FF team should sit out
>>531637916This post is too truthful for /neog/ to understand lmao the entire project is leagues deep in the red with no possibility of slowing the accumulating losses it's a truly lose/lose scenario
More like SHITTY of the Wolves lmao
No but seriously Iโm fucking sad
Well, let's just say if I wasn't an optimist about CotW, I wouldn't be an optimist about KOF16. LOL.
Get rid of the visual novels and add in a world tour mode. IDC if we have to copy SF6, those visual novels are crap
>>531682265So am I, man. COTW was the biggest monkey paw. I would have rather Fatal Fury stayed in it's slumber than for it to be let out it's coffin to have it's asshole fucked relentlessly with stupid-ass decisions, and the mediocre skills of nu-SNK. A new generation of youngins and others who just didn't know much about Fatal Fury could have finally experienced the KINO that it was, but as far as they're concerned, it's is/was some shitty low-budget franchise that returned with a game that's low-effort in every single way except like gameplay. And the worse part is, SNK is 98% likely going to put the franchise back into said coffin for the next 20+ years again, probably blaming it and not themselves for being just ASS devs. God man I just loathe this company.
Thought Saudi-money would have changed things for the better, but it just seemed to make things worse.
>>531687404it's funny cause now i see sf6 players blaming world tour and battle pass stuff as the reason why they only get a costume a year now
>>531687531There was no goddamn way they could've actually given Fatal Fury the red carpet it deserves without a dev team that weren't fucking obsessed with their FGC legacy over literally anything else. Fatal Fury already got raped with MotW cutting everyone but Terry, so we had to deal with the sins of that game first and foremost. This game honestly shouldn't have been esports bait. It shouldn't have focused so much on being "SF6 with better gameplay" it should've been a more cinematic and accessible game. You ALREADY had KOF as your mainstay competitive game, why did Fatal Fury need to be that too? Older Fatal Furies were ever comp games as special edition sequels built off of story foundations. And since Fatal Fury doesn't have all the super popular KOF characters, there's literally nothing to look forward to. Duck King should've been brought back in XV, not here
>>531635549Toukon is gonna be a huge success just like Dungeon Fighter. It will be made with Arcsys talent, the same that made Strive what it is today.
>>531690672Max told them that all we needed was a MOTW remake with SF4 era lobbies and it would sell millions
Being a young adult and watching SF4/UMVC3 streams every weekend was so kino, now we can do it agajn with epic Terry Bogard and Mai :)
It's time for SNK to make a 3D fighting game
>>531682265>GAROU DENSETSU shitty ob za woorboosFucking kek I feel you this is so ass bro
200 dollar bet
Art of Fighting is a 3D fighting game
>>531635549If your game does worse than 2xKO then you've truly hit rock bottom. Dead on arrival game. Also, no Garen or Lux yet beyond insane, this would be like if a KOF came out with no Terry or Mai. That one fucking indie fighter from that Korean guy unironically looks better and more fun to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L325UEmWvQ
Korean guy did a good job
Animations look slightly stiff but I like the art direction of the game.
>>531698778The flashing healthbars are a sign of madness.
We won snkhermanos! We're not the lolcow of the fgc anymore!
>>531654303I think Ken and Chun-Li will share the Suzaku Castle stage. Not convinced Chun-Li will get her own yet.
I'm tired of SNK sucking Capcom's dick
>>531710610This is the upcoming date of that invincible game
>>531637127Hey retard, you do realize all their fighting games are made by KOF Studio right?
>>531698778this game looks pretty basic, like super turbo basic with a back dash
>>531698778That select screen, unironically, has more personality than any nu SNK select screen so far. No coomer. I don't like anything else about the way it looks, though, apart from in-fight animations.
>>531659752Dangerously based
>>531687531>Thought Saudi-money would have changed things for the better, but it just seemed to make things worse.We told you that was cope, but you were lost in the sauce.
>>531657472They tried to appealed to zoomers aesthetically and they flopped.
>>531657472>the company can't rely on the few losers like us that fell through the cracks.Then stop relying on IPs from 30 years ago and make something new. They, and you, want it both ways.
>>531721695if they can't make a new character design that draws any real strong interest, i doubt a new ip would help since they'd have about the same level of talent doing that
it just takes that proverbial "it" that they don't seem to have inside of them
>>531698778Brother, I know we all like to clown on SNK but this shit looks like Koikatsu: The Videogame. Ultra Fight Da! looks miles ahead whatever this crap is. Select screen is literally ripped straight from Melty Blood, lifebars and UI are MUGEN tier and by MUGEN tier I mean BASE MUGEN with only Kung Fu Man, the jiggle physics are laughably bad and the designs are bland as hell.
>>531710610Nen Impact? More like Nonce Impact
>>531728870Nice way to shit on an indie fighting game.
>>531732990no surprise snk's only pride is punching down
