Dragon Ball FOREVER Edition

Latest:
Project Multi is now known as Gekishin Squadra.
XV2 Daima DLC just dropped.
Shallot DLC released for Sparking! ZERO

Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot - Daima DLC (Only pre-order bonus as of now)
http://youtu.be/UergagzgSnE

http://youtu.be/v_8qBd-K7SQ

>Useful links:
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XV2 news:
>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA
>Upcoming character: SS3 Vegeta
>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.

SDBH News/Resources:
>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24
>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/
>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklist

DBSDV news:
>SDV3 leaked: More Frieza saga, SS3 Goku (Mini-Daima), and Gomah as notable GDRs and Giants returning as an Action Skill
>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)
>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost
>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills
>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card
>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges
>Avatars can also equip accessories and level up a skill tree
>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar

>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:
steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21
DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefile
If you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.

Kakarot:
>Daima DLC Part 1 will release on July 17th 2025
>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026

DB The Breakers:
>Season 8 launched with Golden Frieza Raider
>Ultra Instinct Goku transphere

>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry here
http://xenoverse.booru.org/

Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)
Thank you

LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>530453925

first for REREAD DRAGON BALL RIGHT NOW

>>530906062 (OP)
I hope the teased Panzy crafting system is gonna be more than just crafting consumables.
There's no way they'll do it but it'd be awesome if we could legit upgrade and modify Goku's nyoibo and Glorio's gun.
A magi-tech nyoibo would be so good.

So how many redheads were into Goku in Toei's stuff? I know there's Suno and Princess Snake. I watched Curse of the Blood Rubies and there was a girl named Pansy who's pretty much just Suno, but she didn't seem to be into Goku.

>>530908670
I think those were the only two.

>>530908670
>>530908890
Princess Snake, Chu Li, Princess Misa, Suno
Also Angela was into Gohan if you want to count that

>>530911587
For me, it's Lime.

>>530912156
I miss those kinds of Kung Fu clothes for the characters.
Also the OG DB fillers where Goku just kinda stumble upon a bunch of classic martial art stories were fun.

>>530905509
Oh, that's interesting. Thanks for the info, anon.

I imagine Yamcha's baseball career is just him pulling shit like that in front of everyone all the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymiSI0WA30k

>>530912369
a lot of them were pulled from stories from Journey to the West, like the bandits who seal people inside of a magical jar

>>530914509
Yeah, I know. The Silver and Gold demons are pretty well known and appear often in anime.
Was the one where he helps a sick dude and his kid in a martial art competition also based on an old story? It seemed more like a Drunk Master era Jackie Chan type of movie.

>>530914696
not that I know of. Like you said it more reminds me of a HK kung fu movie.

>>530915165
Honestly since we're in Prequel-ception anyway and Toriyama's dead, they might as well go back and make spin offs about shit that happened to Goku during his childhood timeskips.

I wish we got games like that for DB: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3469230/Baki_Hanma_Blood_Arena/

>>530915294
Or make Goku fight a bunch of cultivators straight out of a chinese light novel. That'd be funny.

we need a game like this for Dragon Ball or Shonen Jump in general... i wish ArcSys was making that, instead of Nen Impacto...

>>530916198
What's the game like exactly?

>>530916274
it's a mid tag fighter with obnoxious VFX, but the roster is just women from the franchise, and some genderswapped versions of the men. i know off the top of my head there's a lady Skullomania. ideally, since it would be an Arc joint and not an SNK joint, it would be a better game, just with the same premise.

>>530917503
Sounds like it could be fun

>Arcsys
no tag team shit
who even thought of bringing this to dragon ball where its mostly 1v1 fights?

>>530919768
>to dragon ball where its mostly 1v1 fights?
They gang up on people pretty often in Z.

>>530919768
Agreed, despite how good it looks, fighterz doesn't interest me at all because it's balanced around tag fights and assists. I'd rather play guilty gear or the JoJo fighting games.
There are a lot of team fights in dragon ball though, just usually a lot of people against one guy rather than 2v2 or 3v3. That's what battle of Z and some of the PS1/N64 games were for.

>>530919956
>N64
>DB
anon...

>>530920167
My bad, I meant Saturn
Come to think of it, xenoverse fits the team fight thing too

>>530919768
a 1v1 game in the same style would be cool, too. i wouldn't be mad at that. i just defaulted to tag because i was pitching a Nen Impact alternative and cause Tag Frenzy is, obviously, a tag game. lol
making it a singles fighter would help distinguish it from DB FighterZ, too, if they just made it a Dragon Ball game instead of doing a Shonen Jump situation.

>>530921303
That's what budokai is for and is the rumored next DB game

>>530921709
Personally I'd bet on a Musou. With Kakarot's Daima DLC, they seem to have most of the groundwork already.

>>530919956
Yeah, aside from ToP there's very little in the way of actual m-on-n team ups. Which is quite true for the genre as a whole, you can have a protagonist flexing on a group of villains or an invincible antagonist forcibg our heroes to team up, but when you have a group vs. group, they usually break up into a smaller scale fights fairly quickly. World Trigger is a major exception with majority of the battles being between groups.

for the next festival of universes which outfits are you hoping make the customs list?

for its
Goku's yardrat outfit
Training suit
Mr.Satan outfit
Yamcha's clothes from OG era
Supreme Kai's outfit
Videl's Fight shirt outfit
Pikkon's outfit
Pan's super outfit
Hedo's outfit

It's a matter of time.

>>530892219
>But the point is clear. He’s a racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, pedophilic rapist wannabe.
sounds like he's just autistic, i thought people on twitter would be all over that kind of person?

>>530921893
please God this, 1000x this. i wish they'd just put CC2 on that idea instead of Kakarot.

>>530922515
They only likes the groomed and molested kind of autist that troon out, not the one that hate gays, troons and other races.
>>530922452
What's a matter of time?
>>530922446
I'd hope for new original outfits honestly.

>>530921709
>rumored
*wished-for
rumors have some basis, there's nothing for budokai revival other than some fans wanting it back

>>530923436
My basis for the Musou thing is that ever since the ROF DLC, Kakarot has been slowly experimenting with clear musou-like or Musou-adjacent mechanics and battle types, which was continued in the Bardock DLC and now has taken its most Musou-like form with the snippets of the grounded horde battles we saw in the Daima DLC trailer.

how many forms does Goku have?

>>530923894
Yes

>>530923894
Do we count Kaioken and non-canon stuff?

>>530923894
It's an "it depends" question. There are dozens of iterations of him across different media. And then you get the question of what counts. Is Kaioken a form? Is the "Super Trunks" stunt he pulls off for a pnel or two?

>>530924142
>>530924153
Anything he's used in official canon stuff that he's used more than once in the OG, Z, Daima and Super legs of the franchise.

>>530924303
Then it's easy
>Kaioken
>SSJ
>SSJ2
>SSJ3
>SSJ4
>SSJG
>SSJB
>SSJB Kaioken
>UI Omen
>UI
So 10 in total.
If you count the DBS manga, there's also 'True UI' I guess.

>>530924591
I would add
>SS1 Grade 1
>SS1 Grade 4
>Completed SSB (Toyo Manga)

>>530924943
>>SS1 Grade 1
>>SS1 Grade 4
I forgot which grade is which but did he use them more than once? I think he only used the Buff one once so I wouldn't count that one.
I guess it would make sense to count Perfected SSJ1.

>>530924591
>>530924943
>firgetting oozaru

>>530925030
Grade 1 is the initial Super Saiyan from Namek, Grade 4 is late Cell Arc onwards. If there wasn't the "used more than once" restriction I would add Grades 2 and 3.

>>530925053
He only used it once, doesn't fit the rules.

>>530925106
I think this is autism, it's one form, Goku just mastered its usage.

>>530925640
>Pilaf Arc
>21st Tenkaichi Budokai

>>530925678
Pilaf arc doesn't count, it wasn't a fight.

>>530924591
>>530924943
Toyo considers SSB variations all the same form, and "true" is literally sign used efficiently but we can still get more forms if we get to other official media
>Ozaru
>Golden Ozaru
>UFPS4
>UFPS4LB
>SS4F
>SS4KK
>SSBF
>SSBU
>SKK
>BSS
>FSS

>>530925726
He never specified it had to be used in a fight, only it was used more than once.

>>530925726
>digging deeper
Jesus Christ, how embarrassing, just admit you were wrong.

>>530923436
>there's nothing for budokai revival other than some fans wanting it back
They remastered it a while back and clearly for a reason. Also after the success of sparking, they'll put it all on old games, and what better old game than the popular budokai? It also replaces FighterZ

Musous are a low budget filler games, you'll get one in two years like breakers/squadron. They aren't a "main" game

>>530925774
>>SS4F
>>SSBU
>>SSBF
?
>>BSS
Base Super Saiyan? (like the one thing from the toei hell filler)

>>530925660
Some retards are obsessed with everything being a form and are too stupid to understand anything but muh powerlevels, so "being used to SS" MUST be a new form and must be a dozen times stronger than Namek SS. Surely can't be that Goku got used to it and trained hard, no, it must be some new high multiplier

>>530925865
I'm not wrong, you are.

Controversial opinion: They should make oozarus OP and relevant again

>>530926056
>SS4 Fusion (of ki)
>SSB Universal (tree power)
>SSB Fusion (of ki)
>Berserker SS
And I forgot berserker SSB too. Blame Heroes

>>530925660
I dunno it's explicitly stated to be something new in the Manga, there is a huge power boost from grade 3, and every guide in existence calls it Grade 4 (or "Full Power"). He gains different eyes which is indicative of a new form.

>>530926137
>Azure Great Ape: when a saiyan who is in SSB transforms into a great ape

>>530925813
I personally don't consider it being 'used' if it's not actually 'used' if it was make sense.
>>530926137
Ikari.

>>530926137
Ozaru is so shit we have two canon SS forms based on it and both skip Ozaru entirely and just use its power without ever becoming monke

>>530926372
only because modern DB is always rushed due to this industry's state
both DBS Broly and Daima could have used more episodes with both Oozaru Broly (actually happened though in a slight flashback) and Golden Oozaru before SS4.

Ozaru + SS or SS + Ozaru? Are they any different, power wise?

>>530916274
Another SNK cash in game but Dragon Ball

>>530923894

>>530927792
Who would win?

>>530929040
No.

>Chunsoft released Sparking(Budokai Tenkaichi)
Next game is gonna be a Xeno/Budokai/Z isn't it?

>>530929528
Xeno probbably still in dev
Budokai is needed because Fighterz support ended
however both are dimps so idk

>>530926295
>Azure Great Ape
stop spoilering the Daima season 2 transformation.

We need more moment like Super Buu just casually pin pointing and personally sending 8 billion ki blasts to kill every human on Earth personally.
We got enough big booms for a while, I wanna see bullshit levels of precision and auto-targeting again.

>>530926302
He used it. He destroeyd the castle and downed Pilaf's plane. Stop digging.

>>530932196
>He destroeyd the castle and downed Pilaf's plane
That's really not a fight or a real use of it.

It's interesting how Goku was the leader in Daima, he's the one who came up with the plan of getting the DBs to wish themselves adults again to make rescuing Dende easier.

>>530932342
>saves his life by destroying his prison
>attacks someone and beats them
>not fight or using

>>530932421
Goku being a leader is nothing new. He was usually in charge for most of the Z when he was around.

>>530933183
Yeah but it's still interesting, back in OG DB, doing the semi-long term plan was more Bulma's thing and in GT, it was more Trunks's thing.

>>530933072
>Considering fucking Pilaf's plane a fight
Come on now.

>traced the Bulma "I am a man" panel and joke

>>530929250
>Daima Goku is just Buu arc Goku with one year of training and a form only 10 times stronger than basic SS
>base Broly makes post-ToP Vegeta go beyond golden SS forms
>a Vegeta who fought in the ToP a year after the future Trunks arc
>which was after the Champa arc
>which was 3yo of RoSaT training after RoF
>which was a year of Whis training after BoG
>which was 3 years after when Daima would take place
Broly wouldn't even need to go Ikari to beat the furry

>>530935420
NVM it's a trace of this I'm pretty sure

>>530935420
/ss/ route activated

>>530933902
Goku grew up. By Cell saga he essentially took over Kami's role of organizing the Earth's defenses. It's just that Super made him into a retard.

>>530933997
Is Goku vs. Recoome not a fight now because it's aone shot? How deep must you dig before finally admitting you dun goof'd like an adult?

>>530937092
It's a fight because at least Recoome is a fighter, Pilaf's plane doesn't qualify as even an opponent. A normal RR soldier is more of a fighter than that.
>Dismiss my increasingly ridiculous stretch is digging
Cope

>>530936860
>It's just that Super made him into a retard.
It didn't tho.

>>530936170
>this cute dork grows up to be a massive bitch (in both the american and the japanese sense)
it's sad, really

>>530937804
>grows
She shoots a kid in the head, chapter 1.

>>530937910
yeah, and isn't it kinda sad she gets worse somehow?

>>530937804
she was always kinda catty. if anything she mellowed out

>>530938076
Can't change your nature

They should make a reverse Namek arc where it's just Goku ironmaning against a whole group of bad guys the entire time.

>>530939308
goku in place of frieza, vegeta as zarbon, picoolo as dodria
z fighters as the ginyu force
vs frieza the hero

Breasts

>>530942860
DB villainess breasts are the best
I wish Arinsu was a fighter

>>530943628
18 isn't very curvy

>>530944929
What she lacks in chest she makes up for with her kissable forehead

>>530945076
>lacks in chest
and hips
and bum

>>530943628
Good girls too

Who's the strongest Z woman? I think it's a toss up between female Kaioshin and Zangya

>>530949949
West Supreme Kai*

>>530949949
No 18?

>>530949949
It's Zangya, she was powerful enough to give trouble to post Hyperbolic Trunks, while West Kaioshin would be around Shin's power, and that isn't on the level of post Hyperbolic super saiyans.

>>530957074
Yeah bro one of the Kaioshin was strong enough to force pure Boo to resort to absorption but the newbie is weaker so naturally another one of the veterans must be weak too and your non-canon ginger bitch is stronger

>>530937804
Bulma was more of a bitch in the original. But she was also hotter because she was young and irresponsible.

>>530958230
Shin doesn't talk like any of the Kaioshins gave trouble to Buu. If any of them did it was South. West explicitly went down quickly, which is why I assume she was around Shin's level of power.

In filler, she went down quickly as Shin said, though she did throw a ki blast Buu decided to deflect instead of just tanking. South did put a noticeably better fight, and Grand was capable for reflecting a ki blast Buff Buu threw, so there are different levels of power between Kaioshin, but West is not talked like she's anything special.

>>530915294
They might, but they won't, for the same reasons why OG DB villains and side characters will never be in Sparking Zero.

most db fans haven't even read or watched og DB

>>530961486
They aren't missing much. Pilaf and Red Ribbon are skippable filler arcs for the most part.

>>530961181 (me)
>which is why I assume she was around Shin's level of power.
Although I am assuming she was stronger than Shin still (He does admit he was the weakest one), but still on a similar ballpark, but even that works under the assumption that the Shin back then is as strong as Shin right now, if he didn't improve then maybe she's noticeably stronger, but whether that means West can compare to a post Hyperbolic super saiyan, I'm not sure... If he did improve then that muddles things.

So thinking of it better, Zangya may not be definitely stronger than West, but at least she looks stronger since she did fight a post Hyperbolic super saiyan, while West only has a statement that she could easily kill Freeza (As all Kaioshins could), but that doesn't say much...

>>530961486
>most
Only americans.

>>530933997
Look autist-kun, I would not include Oozaru Goku vs. Pilaf's plane in my comprehensive list of Dragon Ball fights either, but Oozaru is still a transformation, Goku's very first transformation in fact. So it absolutely must be in a comprehensive list of Goku's forms.

>>530929528
The next game is more than likely going to be a low budget “filler” game like breakers, multi and fusion world. Probably a musou.

I think the next big game could very well be Xenoverse 3, but I remember the SZ producer saying they’re going to make more sequels so Sparking One is a possibility too.

>>530962820
Still doesn't fit the conditions.

>>530963147
Well fuck the conditions, it obviously counts by virtue of common sense.

>>530963685
Cope sense maybe.

>>530957074
Zangya actually beat Trunks' ass and it makes no sense

>>530963147
>transformed into oozaru twice
>both times was plot relevant
>doesn't count as a transformation

>>530916198
>>530917503
Honestly? "I wish Goku and his friends were all girls", really isn't that far a cry from, "I wish Goku and his friends were all kids." I'd buy and play it. Worst case scenario they can pad the roster with What If Fusions, like Metamoran Kefla.

>>530929528
next game is gonna be Gekishin, dumbass.

>>530972645
NO!!! Dragon Ball is a BOYS' franchise!!! GTFO out of here with your cootie-ridden idea!!!
(this is probably how some Japanese exec out there perceives the audience of Dragon Ball, which is why we're never getting your idea)

>>530972645
an excuse to pad out the female side of the roster is honestly a great idea for more than just "because it gives me a boner" reasons but i will be amazed if it ever happens

Osu?

>>530972645
girls are sexy
>muh shotacons
much smaller percentage of the fanbase than heterosexual males

>>530975768
ShotaCHADS carry this franchise
>entire first series is Shota oriented
>entire last series ever is Shota oriented
We WON.

>>530961181
>but south was the strongest while west went down quickly... against a SS3 tier enemy, so *I assume* she was sub-SS tier!
>also in filler..
Discarded.

>>530979201
OG is less pedophilic than Daipa because most of the cast there aren't actually shotas

>>530979201
Panzy got more alluring focus than Goku and Vegeta combined in Daima

>>530979586
ToT

The answer is clear: we need a Goku that is also a loli

>>530981719
That's how Goku always looks for me

>>530981719

>>530981719
it's what pan should've been, super hero might be the first step in finally correcting that

>>530981719
>>530983471
Multiverse Pan does imitate Goku's fighting style...

>>530972936
Unironically this. If you want women go watch sailor moon or some shit.

>>530984813
porque no los dos?

>>530968328
They seemed to be fairly even in their brief fight, Zangya was only winning afterwards because Bujin trapped Trunks in those ki threads.

>>530979396
>so *I assume* she was sub-SS tier!
There's really not much to go from. It doesn't help that a rusty Gohan is the only one capable of removing the Z sword, while no other Kaioshin managed, which doesn't do any of them favors.

>Discarded.
Nigger, she only showed up as a character with a design in fillers to begin with. All that there is to compare her strength is that fight, and Shin's statements about the other Kaioshins' powers, all of which are very nebulous (And Shin's own power are a mess too since he was scared shitless of jobbers like Pui Pui and Yakon). West Kaioshin could easily be stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell and still be inferior to Trunks, or be even stronger than him while still below Gohan.

I still believe Zangya is stronger, but after thinking of it some more it's just hard to say, but Zangya has a slight advantage in actually fighting Trunks which puts her power high enough, West Kaioshin doesn't have anything to really place her anywhere, so she could be stronger, or weaker, but I feel she's weaker.

>>530983916
Multiverse Pan is Vegeta's daughter, she'll become ruthless any moment now.

>>530986086
>Salagir took even Goku's granddaughter away to give Vegeta more

>>530983916
>>530986086
Multiverse is the kind of surface level bullshit that sees the comment "Pan should be like a little Goku" and fails to actually understand what people want.

Is Akio going to comic con?

>>530985372
Zangya actually had the edge over Trunks, she kicks him when he fails to hit her. That puts her as strong or probably stronger, which makes sense since she's able to fight and hurt Gohan just fine.

Every Supreme Kai is stronger than Buu arc Piccolo and I doubt Piccolo is weaker than the blue thot so mommy is the strongest Z character

How strong is EOZ Pan? Both anime and manga seem to imply she's decently tough.

>>530990647
Zangya was stronger or at least equal to Trunks, she would fold Piccolo and the Supreme Kai

>>530991161
She's 4yo, "decently tough" could be anything, she could be as strong as Goten was in the Boo arc, which is not even strong enough to beat Freeza (no SS)
But I guess she could be the strongest family in the anime since Toei is crazy and makes stuff like Yamcha beating someone who could block a punch from the same discount Piccolo who oneshots Cell, or base (not Ultimate, fucking base) teen Gohan oneshot Freeza

>>530992048
>cell arc future Trunks
>stronger than Buu arc Piccolo

>>530993086
Yes, why?

>>530991161
In the manga, it's pretty easy to say she's on a whole league above where her dad was at her age, probably at minimum around Buu saga Goten level. She's introduced doing laps around the world after all, and Bra half-teasingly has to tell her not to go overboard and accidentally kill opponent. Beyond that though it's mostly guesswork on where her "minimum" is.

In the anime, she and EoZ Goten are at minimum comparable enough in base that he actually has to try against her. Even if he's holding back it's still enough of an actual fight that he has to put in at least some effort, and he even ends up losing it against her.

If I were to ballpark it, I'd say she's at the absolute minimum comparable to end of Frieza arc Piccolo (after his fusion with Nail), probably closer to Vegeta or even base Goku. In the anime I'd be tempted to put her at above base Goku during the Frieza fight, maybe in the ballpark between that and base Future Trunks when he first appeared.

>>530989761
>Zangya actually had the edge over Trunks, she kicks him when he fails to hit her.
That kick only briefly pushed back Trunks, he was about to attack again before Bujin trapped him. She still had the advantage since she dodged Trunks blows right before too I guess...

>which makes sense since she's able to fight and hurt Gohan just fine.
Yeah she's strong enough to be able to hurt Gohan at all, so she can't be too below him in power (Same for Bujin and Bido), but what really gave the advantage was the team work, which's still the most unique thing about Bojack's gang surprisingly enough, took until anime Black arc for characters to really fight together.

Bojack's gang is overall difficult to grasp since they refuse to fight 1vs1, they're all vaguely in this post Hyperbolic Super Saiyan level. Except Gokua, he is notably the weakest one since he seemed to be evenly matched against base Trunks (Meaning he would be around Tien's level as Tien put up a good fight against Trunks), is stronger than Trunks once transformed, but then is killed in one hit once Trunks went Super Saiyan...

>>530991161
That's difficult to measure, she comments that she flew around the world, doesn't look too tired, and Goku says she was fast, but that's it, at her worst she's comparable to saiyan saga characters, but given how strong Goten is, she's probably much stronger than saiyan saga characters, maybe something like Ginyu or first form Freeza.

>>530981719
Waku waku!

>>530993925
I'm pretty confident in saying Goten let her win. like what's he gonna do, beat up his niece?

>>530996521
Given how he looked at the end of the fight, I don't think it was an intentional loss. It looked to me like, while he was holding back, he underestimated how strong Pan was and got surprised by her, leading to his loss. Say of example his true base power is still twice or even thrice hers, even if he weren't going all out he'd actually still have to try, and could get surprised by her if he wasn't careful, which did happen.

>>530997379
it's similar to play wrestling with a kid and they clock you in the junk which puts you down for real. of course if you were fighting serious you could've punted them across the room and snapped them like a twig, but because you're not fighting to win and they are, they have the capacity to score a crit that puts you down. it's a win for them, but only because you weren't trying.

>>530998239
Going by that first pic, Goten still was clearly trying, just not at his maximum. He seemed to recognize that he actually did need to take the fight seriously. He just underestimated her, leading to a loss he wasn't expecting.

>>530998686
at any point he could've gone super saiyan or fired a kamehameha and atomised her.

>>530999037
Your point being? Goku could have gone Super Saiyan and atomized Uub, he still got surprised by Uub's strength a couple times. Just because someone isn't going full throttle doesn't mean they aren't trying.

>>530999225
pretty sure that's exactly what it means
Goku wasn't trying to beat Uub either, just to push him to see if he was who he thought he was.

>>530999550
So if Goku ended up out of the ring by getting surprised, that's not an intentional loss, that's him underestimating Uub even after taking the fight more seriously. Which is what I say happened with Goten.

>>530998686
>>530998239
>>530997379

>>530975716
No... I don't want this...

>>530996350
NO NO NO STOP THIS IS WRONG!

Watching a podcast with a panel full of anime fans–one of whom is wearing a Majin DBZ shirt–and half of them said they just straight up didn't even bother watching it. A couple said they did and that it was alright, but one of them noted that Daima really isn't gonna do shit for you as a new fan to help bring you into the series. And I would agree with that assessment. The GT callback with the cast getting turned into kids, Vegeta using Super Saiyan 3, Goku getting Temu Super Saiyan 4, repeating the "this is a Super Saiyan, and this is a Super Saiyan 2" scene, dipping back into Majins, the complete and utter lack of blood or tension compared to other contemporary shonen–a lot of that stuff is only going to work for 25+ year old DBZ fans.

Why did Sparking Zero disappoint you?

>>531003709
Yosh!

>>531003932
>lack of interesting what-ifs
I liked Gohan Black but I don’t even know the rest
>design/aesthetic choice unironically ruined a few characters
>lack of maps
>Was very excited for stage destruction (those clips of the planet exploding the other DB games have), but we only got one that’s only for Namek and it’s not that fun to look at
>a lot of attacks, mostly the ultimates, don’t really look or feel right (that father son Kamehameha was so disappointing, man)
>team ultimates don’t exist
>doesn’t adapt DBS Broly or Superhero
I don’t think the game is shit, but I don’t want to get it until it’s like 20 dollars on sale and all the DLC is out.

>>531004227
Stop it! I can't have these feelings towards Goku! This is wrong, WRONG!

>>531003932
>complete and utter absence of Stage variety
>customization system is undercooked and has been better utilized by modders than the actual devs
>no real character builds or lite RPG elements like older Budokai games
>no Ultimate Battle, Mission 100, or other fun, alternative game modes
>only having 2 characters fight at a time feels like ass after playing Xenoverse for 10 years, especially thanks to the bigger maps that would better accommodate 3-8 players at a time
>Story Mode is spread too thin, retreading DBZ, instead of focusing on DBS, despite the fact DBZ Kakarot has an on-going monopoly on the DBZ era
>motion captured animations look like shit
>all the What-Ifs suck fucking ass, and none of the What-If characters are unlockable
>no Color Maker for characters (fortunately a mod was produced for this almost immediately)
>no Dragon Ball Heroes characters
>post launch support has sucked ass
one thing i'll praise them for is including movie and GT characters at launch. because for about 6 months there, i was really worried we were gonna have to wait for a whole second Season Pass to get Z Broly and Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

and just as a final nitpick, it annoys the hell outta me that Kale and Z Broly don't have green auras, and that Super Saiyan 4 has a gold aura instead of a red one. i fixed this with mods, but i shouldn't have had to.

>>531004982
>and that Super Saiyan 4 has a gold aura instead of a red one
I thought that's how it was in GT?

>>531005168
it is, but i don't care. i liked the red auras from the old games, and always choose the red aura option over the gold one when installing aura replacers for Xenoverse. lol

>>531004545
Why though?

>>531005921
Goku isn't supposed to give me these feelings... it's wrong...

>>530987652
Well, what do people want?

*Pulls girlku's tail and rapes her raw*

Osu?

>>531007687
>>531008335
NO, STOP!

Which of the following things has to happen in xenoverse 2 to make you come back an lock in?

New awokenings be they LSS, Rose, Orange,SS4 not happening but it'sa form or Lime or USV?

New gameplay mode?
New time patroller race basically demons?
New hairstyles for hte barber guy to give us?

>>531003932
I got it this week while it was on sale, played it for about 8 hours now. I'm gonna need to train forever to be able to do online matches, but so far I actually have more positives to say

>punishing story mode, this is one thing the game has over FighterZ, which is great but even a scrub like me got bored of how painfully easy the story mode there was
>more roster variety than any other DB game released in the last decade, though I do hate how a lot of OG shit is missing in favor of some reduntant forms I don't care about
>the gameplay of Xenoverse feels really janky and weightless after this, I don't feel like coming back to it in the near future
>I really couldn't give less of a shit about muh cutscenes, you already have like 30 different reenactments of all the iconic Z moments from all the games, I don't care, make it a slideshow and focus on What If variety (apparently it's lackluster but I have only experienced a handful of them yet, also I appreciate that half the available story mode MCs are villains)
>I heard custom battles are limited but it's still gonna be fun to play around once I get to it

>>531008684
Let Frieza race transform into second/third/fifth form. They can even lump them all into one "bulky monster form" and let us customize the appearance to pick and choose Cold, xenomorph, or Cooler features to include, whatever, as long as we can actually transform into something besides Golden.

>>531004982
The whole green thing was always a fanon misconception in the first place, as an anon pointed out here once. They even had a Broly colour wheel that I can't find for the life of me, that showed that showed just how many colours he's gone through. Dude had blue and purple before anyone.

>>531007678
A cheerful, tough, punch-happy monkey girl that wants to fight strong people. Salagir doesn't bother with any of that because that would diminish the importance of his waifu Son Bra and run counter to his forced drama, so he only goes by the aesthetics of what people might want that implies a connection to Goku without any substance. At the most charitable I can say it's because he thinks Pan should be a sidekick to Bra, but if I wanted to be less charitable I would say it's because he thinks anyone being like Goku is a bad thing, something to "fix" (see: Vegeta being the one to give her a pep talk).

>>530979201
Shota and lolichads always win

>>531014904
Okay but this is bullshit because:
>I'm pretty sure Bra hasn't done anything since her forfeit, your complaint is years out of date
>Goku beat Vegeta in their battle in Multiverse
>Pan was there watching it in awe, calling back to her flashback story of being scared to see them fight as a kid
How does any of that fit into your narrative of Bra being the protagonist and Salagir hating Goku?

>>530986932
This is still so funny.
>>530986086
Pan looking like that at Vegeta just looks wrong.
>>530989625
We don't know.

>>531003932
It didn't.

>>531008684
More CaC focused DLCs and update, like new Awakaneing with proper storylines to acquire, more interactions with other character and mentor and all that kind of stuff.

>>531016131
nta but if her biggest moment is acting as a spectator to Goku and Vegeta fighting that's basically nothing

>>531009480
You know what would be crazy? A Mecha awakening paths for the Freeza race and each level gives you even more high tech stuff on your body, like Mecha Freeza in Super DBZ.

>>531015710
Cute!
>>531016131
Fuck off, Salagir.

>>531014904
that makes a distressing amount of sense.

>>531016131
>bro she was only a terrible, awful character when she was in focus, since then she's been in the background being useless instead of bitchy!

>>531022189
Don't forget how even in the background, she had more of a presence in the story than Goku overall.
Hell, Goku only won against Vegeta so Vegeta would be spared the humiliating one shot I bet.

>>530972813
Gekishin is a free to play live service type game, it's more like Legends so it probably doesn't really count.

>>531016131
>I'm pretty sure Bra hasn't done anything since her forfeit, your complaint is years out of date
After her dominating the story for two years in a row with the whole awful Majin Bra thing, and her tragic background story where she was sad Vegetto threatened to kill her after she destroyed a galaxy and killed Goten... Even then, during the fight against that Namekian Salad Gear had to worship her one last time before she was moved to the background, and use that chance to shit on Goku.

Even though focus was taken away from her, Bra is the one trying to make sure that wish to tech universe is fulfilled, even though Goku is the one who made the promise of fulfilling it first.

>Goku beat Vegeta in their battle in Multiverse
Vegeta lost to his eternal rival in a battle he was happy with, Goku jobbed to a "smarter than you" OC.

>Pan was there watching it in awe, calling back to her flashback story of being scared to see them fight as a kid
That was cute but was also a reminder how much the art in that special sucked.

>How does any of that fit into your narrative of Bra being the protagonist and Salagir hating Goku?
Bra was essentially the protagonist of the story with how much it was about her development. Drama surrounding her, that being Ginyu taking her body, took time away from that Namekian's fight with Raichi (And that Namekian is also overly worshipped). She was for the longest time the closest thing to a protagonist DBM has.

As for Salagir hating Goku:
>Every alternate Goku is a dead jobber
>Schizoku is an insane pedophile who can never hope to match up to Vegeta even though he's immortal
>Main Goku had no focus, was trounced by Uub's Maximum Kaioken, did win against Vegeta but was humiliated against XXI

>>531026821
>Schizoku is an insane pedophile who can never hope to match up to Vegeta even though he's immortal
Not only is he immortal but even with teamwork with Raditz and their bond, he'd apparently still lose just because, despite that being exactly the kind of shit that make Goku pull crazy wins.

>>531026821
>Goku jobbed to a "smarter than you" OC.
That's the worst part too, Goku wasn't even outsmarted, the OC just got another OC's, who was a gag JoJo reference, power to instantly one shot kill Goku with no counter.
Despite the dude never having that power before, his dragon failing to give less OP powers before, Piccolo sensing it (so Goku should have too) AND somehow being worried he might not beat Goku after saying Goku couldn't be cheap shotted, just like Gast (Gast having a surname is such a retarded OC thing too).

bad writers don't understand that vs Perfect Cell or vs Piccolo Daimao 1 is how you write goku in a forgone loss, he still gets some solid fucking hits in and puts up as best a fight as he can
but bad writers are obsessed with shit writing like "muh speed blitz" where they think any difference in ability should just result in someone getting one shot even though the heroes punching above their weight actually results in some of the best fights in the series

>>531027413
Yeah, you need to show Goku at least pull off SOMETHING, not just get Red Shirt'd.

>>531026821
>>531027198
DBM Kakarot would be 1000 times more interesting if you could see him start thinking of smart ways to fight like the actual Goku does only for him to punch himself in the head a bunch while screaming that 'This is not how a saiyan fight, bad Kakarot! Bad!'.
Since the most interesting thing about him (alongside his connection with Raditz) is the clear complete disconnect between his nature and his actions as a saiyan.

Hence my point about Pan only getting literal surface level Goku traits (orange gi, power pole, the foot Kamehameha, etc.) and Salagir effectively treating any "Gokuness" about her as a flaw to be fixed rather than a downside. You could even point to how Vegito's Pan is treated, she's a sacrificial lamb and yet stronger than mainline Pan, basically a sidekick to Bra, and has a whole thing about how she should feel bad about being scared of her after Bra killed her dad in cold blood.

>>531028579
>rather than a downside.
*rather than an upside, whoops

>>531027198
>Not only is he immortal but even with teamwork with Raditz and their bond, he'd apparently still lose just because, despite that being exactly the kind of shit that make Goku pull crazy wins.
To make that worse, that whole dream sequence was wrong because Raditz's unlocked potential is stronger than SS3 Vegeta anyway. So Salad Gear went out of his way to lie to the audience about Raditz's power just so Vegeta can still win, offscreen even.

>>531027387
>That's the worst part too, Goku wasn't even outsmarted
The intention is XXI outsmarted him... XXI used Hyperbolic dimension on Goku, which made Goku think he was out of tricks, only for it to turn out he wasn't.

>his dragon failing to give less OP powers before
It's completely arbitrary. Buu used weird magic on that Gast that killed him, but that dragon can't give it to XXI, but somehow time stopping is fair game? Time limit isn't an issue too since XXI just walked to Goku to pierce his heart.

>Piccolo sensing it (so Goku should have too)
I get the feeling this will be relevant later on, just not Goku of course...

>AND somehow being worried he might not beat Goku after saying Goku couldn't be cheap shotted
>Oh shit Goku is a perfect warrior, I can't win easily
>LMAO GOTTEM

>just like Gast
Odd coincidence the only character who put up a fight against an OC, was another OC, right?

>Gast having a surname is such a retarded OC thing too
I didn't know he had one.

>>531027413
Even Goku vs Taopaipai wasn't this bad. Not only it happened after Goku was kicking ass and taking names, hence it built up tension, the fight showed exactly how outmatched Goku was by having a fight at all. Taopaipai loss was Toriyama raising stakes, XXI loss is Salagir taking a dump on Goku.

>>531027943
KEK. That sounds like Schizoku would have DB Sai Kakarot as part of his personality that Schizoku tries to repress like a retard.

>>531028579
>>531028695
I wonder if Toyotaro being like 'Fuck, I treated Gohan like shit in the prequel' in France was because someone showed him DBM's Pan being Bra's sidekick.

>>531028982
>The intention is XXI outsmarted him...
I know but the execution didn't fit the intent. You don't outsmart anyone when you just have a 'I win' button.
>I get the feeling this will be relevant later on, just not Goku of course...
Of course, Piccolo is probably gonna come up with a counter which will save Vegito, we saw that hinted at in Bardock's vision.
>>LMAO GOTTEM
I hate DB fanmanga writers so fucking much it's unreal.
>Odd coincidence the only character who put up a fight against an OC, was another OC, right?
Again, the character literally named 'Mary Sue' is less of a Mary Sue than any of his actual OCs.
>I didn't know he had one.
Me neither but I checked on a wiki and it claims he does.

I was re-reading the Namek arc and holy shit, it's easy to forget how pathetic Freeza was once he was beaten. Freeza really begged for his life like a bitch only to try and backstab the dude he begged and all he got for it was another humiliation.
Apparently it's seen as even more pathetic in Japan and legit one of the most bitch-made moment in all of DB.

Super really did wonders for Satan's character, I used to not stand him in Z and found his fate in DBO super satisfying but after Super, I like the guy, he's been a total bro to our heroes ever since he actually got brought into the fold.

>>531014904
>>531028579
You know, with you pointing this out, I have to say it's another thing that feels like an ironic (clearly unintentional) parallel in Tuffle Quest. When we protagonist switched over to Peppa (and Gohan and Izzy), we leaned into some of those "fanfic Pan"/"mini Goku" traits, but because the QM doesn't have any autistic antipathy toward Goku, they worked well. Like she inherited the Power Pole and uses it, but it actually proved exceptionally useful in combat, especially after learning to channel combat magic through it. It's almost like she ended up everything that Multiverses Pan(s) could never be.

DB fanmanga writers are probably the type to think Vegeta's cheap distraction against Cell mattered more than Goku's emotional support for Gohan with the Father-Son Kamehameha.

>>531029643
>I know but the execution didn't fit the intent.
A Salad Gear classic.

>You don't outsmart anyone when you just have a 'I win' button.
Yeah, even something like Dio's timestop had counterplay (By lasting for a few seconds, plus Dio's own carefulness can be used against him), while still being too powerful.

>Of course, Piccolo is probably gonna come up with a counter which will save Vegito, we saw that hinted at in Bardock's vision.
I'm sure Gast will do so first, and then Piccolo learns from his superior.

>I hate DB fanmanga writers so fucking much it's unreal.
Subverting your expectations, one however at a time.

>Again, the character literally named 'Mary Sue' is less of a Mary Sue than any of his actual OCs.
The literal Mary Sue's joke is that she isn't one too, even though other characters are inexplicably attached to her.

Ironically Bra is among the few who doesn't care kek.

>>531033084
>Ironically Bra is among the few who doesn't care kek.
Of fucking course the actual Mary Sue OC is immune to the Mary Sue gag character.
>Subverting your expectations, one however at a time.
Even however fests are better than the shit we get at this poiint.

>>531033332
>Of fucking course the actual Mary Sue OC is immune to the Mary Sue gag character.
I'm sure it was intentional, they're side by side too.

>Even however fests are better than the shit we get at this poiint.
I'd assume they're funny with how weird the subversions get.

>>531031446
Kato has issues when it comes to the writing, and clearly is overbuffing her protagonists (Whole thing of being scientific beings who learn magic too, on top of Mapple defeating Goku at the 21st tournament finals), but I can tell she tries to understand DB and have her own spin on it, though the writing still hasn't impressed me so far.

I did like the part in the pirate cave where they find a file in a computer that documents King Piccolo's rampage, and the reaction was an understandable panic, but later Roshi reassures her King Piccolo won't return, was neat to tie that cave with King Piccolo.

>>531034612
>Whole thing of being scientific beings who learn magic too
That kind of OP combo is generally reserved for non-fighters in Z or characters in non-canon side stuff like Heroes or Xenoverse. It's weird to have it in OG DB, it'd be like Bulma and Baba being fused into one character.

>>531034907
Yeah Mapple so far is borderline a Mary Sue in power set as it's ridiculously flexible. She has Kamehameha, created a better version of Goku's Janken by adding ki on top of it, has limited precognition (Though she didn't use it yet so I don't know how effective it'll be), and has been training to learn Roshi's thunder move (Which she also hasn' used yet). While I've been told other characters will benefit from this more flexible powers, all that it amounted to so far is Goku learning to fly earlier, Chi Chi learning one of Mapple's moves, and Yamcha learning Sokidan earlier.

So even if other characters benefit from learning more powers later, Mapple gets it all first, sort of like an isekai protagonist who gets more powers just because, and it specially stands out in DB where characters don't have a lot of powers in general, and for her to get so many in a short time too...

So far she didn't go far enough in the writing worshiping her for me to think of her as a Mary Sue, but she gets annoyingly close in power flexibility alone, but I guess Kato is holding her back so Mapple doesn't become better than Goku.

>>531036438
>created a better version of Goku's Janken by adding ki on top of it,
I don't mind the rest but that part is kinda lame. Goku's kit is already limited enough technique-wise, no need to take one of his already underused move.
>and it specially stands out in DB where characters don't have a lot of powers in general
To be fair, everyone has most of everyone else's powers technically. It's just that it's pretty obvious from everyone's action that it's better to just make the moves / kit that fit you the best and stay focused on that rather than trying to have every single move in your backpocket.
Special abilities with no clear origins like Time Stop notwithstanding of course.

>>531034612
>and clearly is overbuffing her protagonists (Whole thing of being scientific beings who learn magic too, on top of Mapple defeating Goku at the 21st tournament finals)
In retrospect, kinda yeah, we did pick up on things very quickly. In part a good chunk of it comes down to luck on our part as players, but her at the time fresher status running a campaign also played into it. Ironically I'd say the kind of scaling of the early quest leans more Xenoverse than classic DB. Not always in a bad way, but there are some pretty big jumps.

>I did like the part in the pirate cave where they find a file in a computer that documents King Piccolo's rampage, and the reaction was an understandable panic, but later Roshi reassures her King Piccolo won't return, was neat to tie that cave with King Piccolo.
If there's one thing I feel she was able to pin down pretty well early on is some of the worldbuilding she does, tying together some ideas from different parts of Dragon Ball and expanding on them.

>>531034907
Being fair, being a result of Raichi's experiments as opposed to say, Baby, does make a degree of sense with them having at least some aptitude for learning more mystical arts.

>>531036438
Like I said, a very Xenoverse kind of scaling. If it were an actual fanfic instead of a Quest I'd probably have had a bigger problem with it, and somehow even with Maple being a technique hog it's not even close to the kinds of genuine crossover nonsense that Saiyan Conqueror Quest pulled, with its actual dozen Isekai characters running around and Stands and Tarnished powers and Sith training some characters get. Nor does it ever hit the powerscaling nightmares or QM bullshittery of the earlier DBZ Human Quest's "Super Human" shit.

>>531037087
Raichi was a mystical dude? I always thought he was just technologically advanced it LOOKED like magic.

>>531037087
>that Saiyan Conqueror Quest pulled, with its actual dozen Isekai characters running around and Stands and Tarnished powers and Sith training some characters get. Nor does it ever hit the powerscaling nightmares or QM bullshittery of the earlier DBZ Human Quest's "Super Human" shit.
I'm gonna need the lore on that because it sounds funny.
The fuck are 'Tarnished powers'? Also what Sith training? Don't those guys just kinda meditate while brooding?

>>531031446
>When we protagonist switched over to Peppa (and Gohan and Izzy)
So how does that actually work? Most Quests tend to stick to just one.

>>531036438
>>531036694
Honestly basically everyone picked up on shit like the Destructo Disk and Solar Flare, so that starting early kinda tracks.

>>531037087
>not even close to the kinds of genuine crossover nonsense that Saiyan Conqueror Quest pulled, with its actual dozen Isekai characters running around and Stands and Tarnished powers and Sith training some characters get. Nor does it ever hit the powerscaling nightmares or QM bullshittery of the earlier DBZ Human Quest's "Super Human" shit.
I have to hear this too, this sounds crazy.

So post-Daima, the Buu timeline seems to be.
>Marba creates Buu by accident, he then goes dormant after a rampage
>The universe get created
>An unknown amount of time passes, probably billions of years if Earth works like IRL, which it most likely does given the moon being the same and all
>Bibidi re-awaken Buu and seemingly find a way to have tenuous control over him until he's forced to seal him
>5 million years pass
>The Buu saga starts.

>>531036694
>I don't mind the rest but that part is kinda lame. Goku's kit is already limited enough technique-wise, no need to take one of his already underused move.
She's been using it more than him too, it's weird.

>To be fair, everyone has most of everyone else's powers technically. It's just that it's pretty obvious from everyone's action that it's better to just make the moves / kit that fit you the best and stay focused on that rather than trying to have every single move in your backpocket.
Sure, it's why everyone adopted Solar Flare, instead of Mapple getting powers little by little, she's snowballing into a bunch of powers not even 15 chapters in the story.

I even found a little weird her and Acer decided to refuse to learn their futures from Baba while training with her, and it was excused they didn't want to be defined by what they see, but on the same post, precognition was among the powers they could learn, and they did learn it, I was so confused...

>>531037087
>Ironically I'd say the kind of scaling of the early quest leans more Xenoverse than classic DB. Not always in a bad way, but there are some pretty big jumps.
Yeah I find them to be questionable, hasn't gone so far where I think it's awful, but I'm left scratching my head.

>If there's one thing I feel she was able to pin down pretty well early on is some of the worldbuilding she does, tying together some ideas from different parts of Dragon Ball and expanding on them.
Yeah that kind of detail helps. I also liked how casually she fixed the plot hole of Goku searching for the dragon balls again after 8 months of training with Roshi, and instead of just making the training last for 12 months, it still was 8, but the remaining 4 months were used by Mapple and Acer to travel to Baba and learn from her.

>Being fair, being a result of Raichi's experiments as opposed to say, Baby, does make a degree of sense with them having at least some aptitude for learning more mystical arts.
Raichi has no magic background. It would make more sense if they were Towa's pet projects though.

>and somehow even with Maple being a technique hog it's not even close to the kinds of genuine crossover nonsense that Saiyan Conqueror Quest pulled
Can't speak for those, but even with how much Mapple achieved and learned, she still didn't step too far even with how easily she collects powers, so I guess it'd be more accurate to say she she'd potentially step on Mary Sue realms with a setp too far. She's certainly not anywhere near DBM's Bra (Lots of powers, outclasses Goku, writing makes sure she's right even when wrong).

>with its actual dozen Isekai characters running around and Stands and Tarnished powers and Sith training some characters get. Nor does it ever hit the powerscaling nightmares or QM bullshittery of the earlier DBZ Human Quest's "Super Human" shit.
I'm curious about those too now...

>>531038061
>She's been using it more than him too, it's weird.
I'm still holding out hope of a surprise return of the Janken for Goku in canon, just have Goku just pull out a Buddha's Palm grade Janken in UI, please.
Hell, you could make it a 3 in one move. Rock is the Ryuken, paper is the Buddha's palm and scissor is a new cutting move.
>she's snowballing into a bunch of powers not even 15 chapters in the story.
Yeah, that sounds too fast. Goku took like 50 chapters to get 3 moves in total.
>and it was excused they didn't want to be defined by what they see,
That's a bit dumb given that the entire point of seeing your future is to change it if you don't like it. ESPECIALLY in DB.

>>531037143
It's like how Babidi is 100% a literal evil wizard but still has a spaceship he used to go around the universe mind controlling powerful aliens. Raichi is a literal ghost brought back by a supercomputer powered by hate, it's a mix of tech and science.

>>531037258
>The fuck are 'Tarnished powers'?
Actual, literal Dark Souls higher tier skills and Magics.

>Also what Sith training? Don't those guys just kinda meditate while brooding?
Genuine Force Powers taught by the actual, genuine Darth Bane, founder of the Rule of Two.

>>531037786
>>531037258
>>531038272
Saiyan Conqueror Quest is initially basically what it sounds like, it features a Saiyan that unga bunga's around and fights shit, except the QM throws in literally everything he can and treats it like a kitchen sink. So for example, the literal Covenant from Halo are enemies of the Frieza Force, and some of the enemies that get unga bunga'd are hordes of Elites and Jackals and Grunts and whatever. But also there's a DC Earth out there, and also Jojo stuff is there right down to the Stands and Hamon, and also literal Isekai protagonists are on some planets that do business with Frieza, and also the unga bunga Saiyan unga bungas so hard he gets to go Broly mode, and also this is all somehow the Supreme Kai of Time's fault.

Human Quest had its protagonist with a special "Super Human" ability that was supposed to be linked to Olibu where it's basically Hit's "constant self-improvement" thing where his powerlevel constantly rises when facing a stronger foe, and also he can awaken that in other humans. And players were quick to abuse the absolute shit out of that to the point where they were well beyond Buu saga strength by the time of the Cell saga, with an even more OP Cell (with the Ginyu Force's powers AND the Super Human self-improvement thing) that was stronger than Super Buu. And then there is a revived King Piccolo that gets stronger than that Cell and ALSO immortality on top of that, etc.

>>531015710
>Babidi instead of Cell
man, Japs REALLY hate the Cell saga don't they

>>531038571
*mix of magic and science
fucking hell.

>>531038571
>It's like how Babidi is 100% a literal evil wizard but still has a spaceship he used to go around the universe mind controlling powerful aliens.
To be fair, given what we know in Daima, it's extremely more likely he just bought that spaceship in the demon world rather than make it himself.

>>531038571
>Actual, literal Dark Souls higher tier skills and Magics.
I've played all three Dark Souls games and honestly there isn't shit in them a normal ass ki blast can't replicate to some extend. I guess the self heals and buffs are useful tho.
>Genuine Force Powers
I guess some of the more exotic force powers could be useful, like the life draining ones and the debuff ones.
>Darth Bane
Lowkey fodder honestly, not gonna lie. Dude did NOT impress me, at least not compared to the KOTOR and SWTOR guys.

>>531038571
Okay the first sounds dumb as hell but like, in at least an affectionate Deviantart bullshit kind of way. The second, that sounds dumb as hell in an obsessive YouTube power scaler kind of way.

>>531038571
>Saiyan Conqueror Quest is initially basically what it sounds like, it features a Saiyan that unga bunga's around and fights shit, except the QM throws in literally everything he can and treats it like a kitchen sink.
I honestly got that vibe just from the name. It'd get kinda old fast, no?
>So for example, the literal Covenant from Halo are enemies of the Frieza Force, and some of the enemies that get unga bunga'd are hordes of Elites and Jackals and Grunts and whatever.
Genuinely what the fuck would the Covenant do against a single Freeza soldier?
>and also Jojo stuff is there right down to the Stands and Hamon
Hamon is pretty much just ki but stands could be fun I guess.
>and also literal Isekai protagonists are on some planets that do business with Frieza,
That could be interesting in a retarded way, kinda like how Black Channel handled the tournament where there was a Goku-expy and a clear stand in for Isekai Cheat protags.
But I doubt it was actually used in an interesting way and the Isekai guys were just there to get stomped like a bad hate fic.
>and also the unga bunga Saiyan unga bungas so hard he gets to go Broly mode, and also this is all somehow the Supreme Kai of Time's fault.
Okay, that lost me there, there's literally nothing so far that would justify needing to escalated what I assume is a rando Saiyan to Broly levels to face.

>>531038571
>all the Supreme KoT's fault
Chronoa is good at her job, thank you very much

>>531038571
I think I would still read either of those before any Multiverse shit. At least I could laugh at that kind of absurdity.

>>531038913
>Okay the first sounds dumb as hell but like, in at least an affectionate Deviantart bullshit kind of way.
Honestly sound like an old school Ranma crossover fic to me.

>>531038272
>just have Goku just pull out a Buddha's Palm grade Janken in UI, please.
>Hell, you could make it a 3 in one move. Rock is the Ryuken, paper is the Buddha's palm and scissor is a new cutting move.
Goku screaming "Paper" while doing Buddha's palm would be hilarious...

Reminds me when an anon suggested for Goku's susanoo to grow out of his hair since that has wuxia roots too.

>Yeah, that sounds too fast. Goku took like 50 chapters to get 3 moves in total.
The events are advancing pretty fast all things considered, since Mapple and Acer became part of the story in the middle of Path to Power once the met Goku, trained with Roshi and reached the 21st tournament's finals in 9 chapters, but yeah, with how fast the events are advancing, it still makes the amount of powers fast. Kato may have realized this as I don't see her listing the preconition or Roshi's thunder move yet.

>That's a bit dumb given that the entire point of seeing your future is to change it if you don't like it. ESPECIALLY in DB.
I'm not used to Quests, but as far as I can see, players vote among the options chosen, players voted for Mapple to refuse seeing the future, and a few comments suggested what she should say to refuse. The logic is still questionable for DB but since voting had them refuse, a reason was needed.

>>531038571
>Genuine Force Powers taught by the actual, genuine Darth Bane, founder of the Rule of Two.
Reminds me of some guy in fanfiction.net with an autistic obsession of making crossovers with Spider-Man in other settings, which had Star Wars in one (Where he's a sith, for some reason), and another in DB (Where he's from U6 and so powerful he puts up a fight against SSG Vegeta).

Also really likes to make harems for Spider-Man. He's self inserting as Spider-Man every time.

>the QM throws in literally everything he can and treats it like a kitchen sink.
This must be so exhausting to keep track of...

>Human Quest
Reminds me of TheWriteFiction. Is any of them a furry?

>>531014904
the real elephant in the room here is most fanmanga writers simply don't know how to write women. They either are shameless coombait whose entire personality is 'be sexually alluring' or are narratively just men with a vagina.
a lot of women can't write male characters either

>>531038571
>Human Quest had its protagonist with a special "Super Human" ability that was supposed to be linked to Olibu
Why do Humanfags in DB always end up just giving an even more OP version of what they complain about the Saiyans to their humans?
>where it's basically Hit's "constant self-improvement" thing where his powerlevel constantly rises when facing a stronger foe
That's not even how Hit's self improvement work since his power level doesn't even rise. It sounds more like how people think Z Broly worked.
>and also he can awaken that in other humans.
Okay, that's just lame. It sounds like a bad X-Com 'Humanity Fuck Yeah!' fic at this point.
>And players were quick to abuse the absolute shit out of that to the point where they were well beyond Buu saga strength by the time of the Cell saga
How is that even fun? I'll never understand the point of doing that kind of stuff.
>And then there is a revived King Piccolo that gets stronger than that Cell and ALSO immortality on top of that, etc.
That doesn't even make sense. You can't even revive Piccolo Daimao because he's literally the current Piccolo.

>>531039091
>But I doubt it was actually used in an interesting way and the Isekai guys were just there to get stomped like a bad hate fic.
Oh no, it's played more for comedy. Like Ainz and Kazuma start freaking out about Frieza showing up and what the fuck Johnathan Joestar is doing there and why there's some Dragon Ball Heroes fanfic bullshit crashing the party and try to keep their head down, yet don't get actively shit on or anything.

>>531039327
>Is any of them a furry?
Not to my knowledge.

>>531039327
>Reminds me of some guy in fanfiction.net with an autistic obsession of making crossovers with Spider-Man in other settings,
There's a bunch of authors like that but for Naruto and Harry Potter somehow.
>Goku screaming "Paper" while doing Buddha's palm would be hilarious...
And would look awesome too. Especially if he pull the old trick of screaming paper but doing rock or vice versa like he did with the OG janken.
>Reminds me when an anon suggested for Goku's susanoo to grow out of his hair since that has wuxia roots too.
I remember that talk, I was part of it. It was a cool idea.
>since Mapple and Acer became part of the story in the middle of Path to Power once the met Goku, trained with Roshi and reached the 21st tournament's finals in 9 chapters
Path to Power already went at a breakneck pace so going even faster than that sounds like a bad decision.
>and a few comments suggested what she should say to refuse.
Fair enough then.

>>531039447
>You can't even revive Piccolo Daimao because he's literally the current Piccolo.
I feel like Supersonic Warriors 2 (or was it 1?) did that for its Piccolo story, where he wished back King Piccolo to fuse with and then fought Super Buu until he could Mafuba the Majin.

>>531039605
>Oh no, it's played more for comedy.
That's refreshing then. I think DB interacting with Isekai stuff should either be in a 'Isekai Quartet' kind of way or in a 'Reincarnated as Yamcha' way personally.

>>531039764
That was the first Supersonic Warriors game. It also had Gotenks accidentally show up there via dimension hopping screams and unseal Buu by mistake, only for him and Piccolo to team up and kill Buu for good.

>>531039764
Sure but I don't think random cool stuff for video games should be used as an excuse to do stuff that doesn't make sense in an actual story.

>>531039692

>>531039867
My bad then. And I forgot about that part.

>>531039904
Not saying it is an excuse, just that it happened before.

Honestly I could go for some dumb nonsense to read to wash the taste of the Multiverse bullshit out of my mouth. Got a link for that Saiyan Conqueror one?

>>531040385
>Honestly I could go for some dumb nonsense to read to wash the taste of the Multiverse bullshit out of my mouth.
Don't tell me you actually went and read that 3K page long pile of trash?
I'm not the Saiyan Conqueror anon but I have this dumb fanfic that might make you laugh: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12607428/1/Saiyan-Effect

>>531040514
It's really funny to me that the author somehow thought Saiyans weren't already OP enough in Mass Effect, it had to be a whole civilization of SSJG tier guys.

>>531040385
Sure thing, here you go: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Saiyan%20Conqueror%20Quest

Honestly there used to be a few Dragon Ball Quests running back in the day, Space Alcoholic (a drunken Fridge OC Quest), Space Monkeys (OC Saiyan ladies, with smut), and I think a couple other attempts at OC humans in Dragon Ball. Only Tuffle and SCQ really lasted as long as they did though.

>>531040514
>>531040623
Okay that's some weird bullshit but hey, might give it a shot for a laugh

>>531040873
Thanks

>>531041472
Why is Gohan molesting his mom?

>>531041472
Yes, YES!
Pull tail! PULL! TAIL! HAHAHAHA!

>>531041523
Why aren't you?

>>531041559
Skavenanon...

>>531041597
>Why aren't you?
...Fair enough.
>>531041559
Man, I want a Warhammer Fantasy CRPG where I can play a Skaven as much as I want a Dragon Ball CRPG.

>>531039158
Is she making you say that, Trunks?

Would Mecha Freeza be legit as a rep in Super Robot War or it's too much of a stretch? What about Metal Cooler? Or at least Core Cooler and the Big Gete Star?

>>531041472
this but android 21 with her soul bond

>>531041878
She has such thick tail, big, meaty, perfect for squeezing and pulling and rubbing...

do you think Salagir regrets "having" to make Goku win the fight against Vegeta?

>>531041850
Neither would really work, but man would a Dragon Ball game in that style be a lot of fun...

I guess Goku and Vegeta weren't satisfied with their "base form only, no techniques" match in SH

>>531042239
>Vegeta wearing only one glove

>>531042042
Nah, he's probably happy as fuck he didn't have to humiliate Vegeta like that, especially after being confirmed that everyone did see it as humiliating.
>>531042189
I think the Big Gete Star would fit as an endgame 'ship type' enemy.
But yeah, a DB game in that style would be crazy good. The attack animations and getting new moves would be so epic.

>>531042375
YES! YES! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! PLEASURE MOLEST MONKEY TAIL! MAKE THE MONKEY CUM CUM!

>>531042524

>>531040873
>Space Monkeys (OC Saiyan ladies, with smut),
Sounds based
Any of it involve Goku?

trunks...

>>531042239
Funny how the limitation was set only because they couldn't show True UI and UE in the anime format.

>>531042239
Weird to think that if this is post SH these are the strongest Goku and Vegeta we've ever seen, EoZ aside
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>>531043562
>Funny how the limitation was set only
The limitation was set because Goku would beat the shit out of Vegeta if techniques had been allowed.

>>531043562
That... actually makes a lot of sense, there's no reason not to have them fight in SSB or at least SS in the movie

>>531043789
Yeah, it's either all or nothing. Whis would still have to namedrop UE if he told Vegeta that he couldn't use it.

>>531043789
>That... actually makes a lot of sense,
It doesn't, as you said they could have fought in SSJB or normal SSJ and techniques were also forbidden. If that was the issue, they could just not mentioned.

>>531043562
Super Hero follows the anime, not the manga.

>>531043891
They couldn't have fought in SS or Blue with techniques forbbiden, those are also techniques, retard, according to Whis himself
It's a full power fight or a fight that conveniently doesn't let them use UI/UE

>>531044102
Forms AND techniques were both forbidden, with Whis mentioning both separately, what the fuck are you on about?
It make 0 sense for UE and UI to be connected with that at all.
Hell, the manga can use those forms and used the same limitation.

>>531043986
Not a single Toriyama movie has ever been based on any anime
>Toriyama's BoG literally shows the manga in the credits
>Toriyama's RoF doesn't have Fusion in it like the anime version, which is why Broly movie has Gogeta saying Freeza never got to know the technique
>Broly acts and behaves exactly like manga Kale in terms of power and hulkness, not like Z Broly/anime Kale
>SH goes as far as following the manga palette
The last DB movie to ever be based on a TV anime series was Wrath of the Dragon.

>>531044461
>Not a single Toriyama movie has ever been based on any anime
Toriyama said otherwise for both DBS Broly and Super Hero.

>>531044461
>exactly like manga Kale
They literally have nothing in common on any level.

Cranberrybros... we are being RETCONNED

>>531044461
you supermangafags are the worst

>>531044597
>good hearted, calm, stronger than blonde Super Saiyans in base form, once they use their legendary power they slowly bulk over time, as SS they become berserkers right away, don't even talk
Meanwhile anime Kale is Z Broly
>autistic ass normal saiyan, sadistic personality surfaces when they transform, clearly enough of control to articulate bloody threats, normal SS eyes, bulk works like SS Grades instead of slowly increase over time
Just because you have forgotten Broly was also a faggot until his true personality surfaced in his original movie doesn't make anime Kale less of a Z Broly clone

>>531044696
Unironically, making Moro a prisoner of the Demon Realm rather than the Galactic Patrol already make the Moro arc ten times less retarded.
Especially since Meerus would make me sense as a prison guard in the Demon Realm than as an active Galactic Patroler

what's a good place to get a turtle school gi

>>531045004
Kale is literally an overly competent badass in control of herself that pretend to be weak to not overshadow Caulifla in the manga, it doesn't even slightly fit Broly.
Nobody forgot anything, you're just retarded. Kale was literally created by and for the DBS anime, which made Toriyama create Caulifla to go alongside her in the anime.

>>531045090
IRL or in a game? For cosplay or a real gi?

in xenoverse 2 how would you balance ultra instinct to make it worth using? I never see anybody use it because of the flaws

You get no boost in speed, ki or damage so you can't out muscle your opponents.

The auto dodge for the sake of fairness only works on basic ki blasts and basic attacks, not strike supers or ultimates or ki super or ultimates.

This is supposed to be fair but all it does is create and exploit where your opponents can keep firing basic ki blasts at you to run down your stamina meter til you either auto stamina break and lost the form or block and lose your chance to attack back at all.

The split second extra charge time to get a shittier version of Spirit Pulse as your charge ki blast sucks the damage doesn't even scale to your own basic attack stat either it's a set amount and the range is extremely poor.

The built in Surging Spirit charge is just Ultimate Charge with a slower build up compared to the actual skill.

The counterattack gimmick when struck while transforming and pressing the input after being attacked with a normal strike can be rolled out of, evaded or outright dodged and perfect guarded against.

Why did they make this form so ass in xenoverse 2? in fact it seems like Ultra Instinct is either pure ass or pure broken in games they don't know how to balance it at all. Meanwhile if Ego were in a game it'd definitely be a broken piece of shit comeback camping cunt of an character or awoken.

>>531045134
>but manga Kale knew how to fight before she meet Goku
Wow you surely made me forget how anime Kale and Z-Broly are both autistic, double personality crazy tards with a super strong hulk form while Super-Broly and manga Kale are good hearted super geniuses whose bodies gradually grow over time the more they become actual mindless and speechless berserkers, like when they go SS, green or not

>>531045220
IRL. I was thinking a legit orange gi (not some cheap halloween costume) that I can sew a turtle school patch onto. The closest I could find for a top is a taekwondo dobok but they're long-sleeved and not orange.

>>531045726
All three Brolies are like that, retard, Kale, Broly and Z Broly, only manga Kale doesn't fit.
You can't deflect away from that.
Now do the part where Kale is secretly a confident badass who purposefully pretend to be weak for Caulifla's benefit, none of which fit any Broly, Z or Super.

>>531045721
UE is just too easy to balance, increase your power output the more percentage of health you are missing and you are gold, and if your awakening is still too puny or is too broken instead just slightly change the damage increase
UI is inherently complex to implement because it's not another "and now my punches are stronger" form

>>531045910
Make sense. Honestly, it's gonna be hard to find a legit orange gi, especially with google being fucked up with the indian retards in charge of the searches now. It only shows cheap halloween shit now.

>>531044212
Damn you are as smart as a half dead maggot. There was no reason for them to add that limitation in the movie, unless they didnt want to confuse animeonlies with Goku using UI at will and Vegeta having something else. They could have just made Goku and Vegeta use at least SS, but they added that arbitrary limit for some reason instead.
>the adaptation uses the same rule as the original
No shit??

>>531046037
>UI is inherently complex to implement because it's not another "and now my punches are stronger" form
That's why a single player game with no roster like Kakarot is my only hope to see UI done justice in a DB video game.
>>531045721
Xenoverse sadly can't even have proper boss fights so I don't think it can do UI right no matter what.

>>531046048
I don't use google. yandex on my phone, ddg/yandex/brave search on my PC.

>>531046118
>There was no reason for them to add that limitation in the movie,
There was: Because with techniques and forms, Goku would beat the shit out of Vegeta easily.
If they didn't want to confuse anime watchers (which they wouldn't since the movie follow the anime) they would simply have had them fight in SSJB without mentioning UI and UE.
Stop coping with your retarded theory.
>No shit they are using a rule that was totally only made to hide Manga-only forms in the manga where they can use those forms
You're retarded.

>>531046118
>unless they didnt want to confuse animeonlies with Goku using UI at will and Vegeta having something else
Except those limitations would have no reason to be there in that case either because they can just not use them.

>>531045950
>lying on the internet
Super-Broly isn't a meek autist with a personality disorder that makes him call himself a demon who will make a bloodbath out of you when he activates SS Hulk. He's a nice guy who tries to be loyal and useful to his family but whose body slowly bulks up the angrier he gets (as something separate from transforming into any SS) and who even at his worst never acts like an evil person. Like manga Kale.
But if you can delude himself just because Kale's way to stay loyal to her family was hiding her strength while Broly's was proving his strength instead then go ahead.

>>531046037
>UI is inherently complex to implement because it's not another "and now my punches are stronger" form
But it is a punch harder form it's just not a saiyan exclusive and it comes with an auto dodge feature that so far the only way they've shown the only way to get past it is keep saying that Goku is starting to get tired, they used that excuse for his fight with Jiren and Gas or to attack him so quickly even his ultra instinct can't save him, they used this excuse for Granola, Black Freiza and Gohan Beast all being able to strike Goku despite him having Ultra Instinct up because they were so fast and powerful.

His fight with Moro proved even more that Ultra Instinct makes you stronger as when Moro went to stab him through the torso again he broke his fucking hand on his abs.

>>531046615
>Super-Broly isn't a meek autist with a personality disorder
Yes, he is. He just stop speaking instead of calling himself a demon.
Notice how your attempt at a description still doesn't fit Manga Kale?

>>531045721
>it does is create and exploit where your opponents can keep firing basic ki blasts at you to run down your stamina meter til you either auto stamina break and lost the form or block and lose your chance to attack back at all.
Glad to finally see someone point that out. The auto dodge was always nothing more than a liability with the stamina drain you can't control, especially since the vanish is already a baseline option and way better.

>>531046681
>they used that excuse for his fight with Jiren
They didn't actually. Jiren could hit Goku because he had next level precognition / predicting his opponent, as established when he just auto-dodged the entire arena being constructed around the fighters without even moving.

>>531046778
>Super-Broly has a personality disorder
>manga Kale isn't a nice girl who tries to be loyal and useful to her family but whose body slowly bulks up the angrier he gets (as something separate from transforming into any SS) and who even at her worst never acts like an evil person
I knew you never read the manga but I expected you to at least watch DBS Broly movie. Discarded.

>>531047240
>I ran out of cope, I'll shut up now.
Super Broly literally had such a personality disorder, his dad was like 'fuck, King Vegeta was right, he can't be controlled'.
>Manga Kale is still not like Broly because Broly isn't a secretly competent and confident badass who's only pretending otherwise
Glad you figured it out and will shut up now with your shitty headcanon for a character that was created by and for the anime and a character from a Super movie that follow the anime.

>>531047240
That sounds like a lot of cope after being proven wrong.

>>531046681
You mean when they had to add the UI expert character explaining the reason Goku can block attacks from the guy who previously one-shotted him is because how much his technique advanced, instead of having it happen just like that like when a character simply gets stronger? That's your reasoning?

>>531046681
>>531047509
That's kind of a pointless argument since skill and power in DB are so closely linked, they might as well be the same.
Remember that the characters go at super speed because they move perfectly with no wasted movement.

>>531047343
>having anger issues is a personality disorder
>Kale knew how to fight so I can pretend she's not a nice person who tries to be loyal and useful to their family but whose body slowly bulks up the angrier they gets (as something separate from transforming into any SS) and who even at their worst never acts like an evil person, exactly like Super-Broly, not like Z-Broly and anime Kale
You sad, sorry excuse of a shitposter can't even post good bait anymore.

>>531047804
>Anger issues aren't a personality disorder
How hard are you coping to say something that retarded?

>>531047804
>Please please please please stop mentioning directly how Manga Kale doesn't have the slightest bit in common with Super Broly, I'm begging you
>Please, everyone, I wasn't proven wrong, it's all bait!
You have a personality disorder at this point.

>>531047882
>he's UNIRONICALLY saying that having a short temper is a genuine mental disorder, he's defending that Super-Broly is the same as the guy who begs his daddy not to put a crown on him but also laughs like a maniac while crushing him to death, he's actually and factually trying to make me believe the guy with a split personality that identifies himself as the devil is the same as a guy who just punches all around him when he's really, really angry
I rest my case.

>>531048139
>He's unironically saying true things!
>I will shut up now
You'll be back in 5 minutes because you know you lost and won't resist trying to get a second chance to feel better.

>>531042958
TRUNKS! AWW YEAH!

Looking at daima super saiyan 4 again is it me or is the tail a bit longer and thicker than the GT variation?

>>531048949
>GT is packing less than Daima
It's so over

>>531049098
Don't word it like that! You're gonna give people the wrong idea!

>>531049576
How is my fault that what GT Goku has below the belt is shorter and smaller than what Daima Goku has? How else should I phrase it?

Victory Uchida confirmed no DBS Manga stuff in 2025.

>>531042239
Why the fuck did Heroes even bother doing their own UE if they barely used it? It's not even clear if it's as strong as SSBE or not given he only used Evo in Meteor Mission

>>531049848
We fucking knew that the moment Toyotaro was sent to mangaka boot camp to learn how to be a better version of himself, he's entered the hyperbolic time chamber of various side projects to hone his skill set so by the time the verdict is reached he'll be able to do stuff on his own now that sensei isn't there to hold his hand anymore.

What people really have their eye on is if there's gonna be any animation projects this year or if Daima truly is all we get from now on until the settlement is reached, Super Divers came out at the worst time for this, Shueisha definitely isn't gonna promote while this lawsuit is pending and thanks to how dimps has played it super divers can't survive on it's own thanks to the bitterness from how Heroes ended. It's a total shitshow and with how corporate types tend to be rather petty and vendative they could kill dragonball outright to focus more on One Piece just like how they killed Demon Slayer for daring to beat One Piece in sells that one time.

>>531049848
Don't know where you getting that from but they already said in France it's up to the legal struggle, we aren't getting more Super until they solve that (other than the mandatory periodic illustration like >>531042239)

>>531050808
I think more than a boot camp, they decided to really test Toyotaro like every other Mangaka that make their own manga is tested instead of just being a glorified assistant on someone else's manga.
Shueisha's plan is probably 'If he pass, we're putting him in charge of DB after the rights dispute is over, if he fail, we'll find someone else and probably have time to test them too'.

>>531014904
>he only goes by the aesthetics of what people might want that implies a connection to Goku without any substance.
To play devil's advocate, this isn't entirely a bad thing. I'd hate for Pan's only thing to be "she is le next Goku!". I don't want shittier Goku when we get something new or else I'd just read more Goku. Having pan inherent the superfluous visual aspects of Goku to imply a connection while having a different personality is good.
I feel the same way with a hypothetical Goten successor. I don't want him to be Goku but shit. I want him to be his own person with his own relationships, goals, and personality.
Giving either of them Goku handmedowns (powerpole, Dragon Fist, orange gi, ect) is fine as long as there's more to it than "OH MY GOODNESS LOOK HE IS GOKU BUT NOT HIM!"
I for one liked how Gohan had a very different friend circle than Goku. Seeing everything towards his lens gave the early Buu arc a different feel that hasn't been replicated since.
Goten has an aunt-nephew like relationship with 18 and an older sister-like with Videl. It'd be neat to see what else him or Pan have.

>>531051783
I imagine Pan and Goten would act more like cousins because of how similar they are in age (Goten is only 12 years older than her)

>>531026821
>>Schizoku is an insane pedophile who can never hope to match up to Vegeta even though he's immortal
>Has an immortal Saiyan
>Does nothing with them

Yup French people don't deserve to breathe. Imagine if AmeriCHADS wrote Multiverse.

>>531051589
Why the fuck do we still get Super stuf from the manga branch but nothing for the anime? The manga even got the UI Goku and Beast Gohan figure announcement for the 10th anniversary, all Toei did for the anime was what? A tweet?

>>531052142
>Why the fuck do we still get Super stuf from the manga branch but nothing for the anime?
We got Daima.

>>531027387
>Piccolo sensing it
Does Shitlagir really think Piccolo is a better fighter than Goku? AFTER End of Z even?Sometimes I forget that Multiverse is supposed to be an after EoZ story. The same story with the god tier untouchable mythical goku

>>531052303
What part of Super stuff didnt you get

>>531027413
>the heroes punching above their weight actually results in some of the best fights in the series
Agreed. The best fights in fiction are when someone too weak does surprisingly well against the toughest opponent. I swear they need to watch Rocky 1 or something to understand how to build tension and deliver on a fight.

>>531029475
>Gohan
Goten

>>531029475
>Gohan
Goten

>>531052379
Super isn't 'Marvel Ultimate' or any such separate brand, just like Z was still really just Dragon Ball.
Or Naruto Shippuden.
It's all DB as far as anyone in production cares.

>>531052142
Because the manga is on hold for Toriyama's death and the rights dispute but Toei has been done with Super for years? They even sold the complete DBS series pack. Even if it "came back" it would be a new series like "Super 2", "Super Z" or something, but the Super anime is done bro, they never intended to make more episodes.
Ask for more Daima or other series, not Super

I hope they call the next show DB Ultra.

>>531052714
Super is a specific brand of DB, just like GT, Daima or even Z. Just because they all are derivative from DB doesn't mean they aren't their own things. I want more DB *Super*, not just more DB in general

>>531052779
Yeah, I don't know why people still think Super is coming back.

>>531032707
I have seen so many fans say something along these lines it's unreal. Gohan vs Cell with a solo Gohan win. Goku offered emotional support but that's the same thing as cheering on your fighter from the sidelines. Bejita's "distraction" did nothing.

>>531052892
DB Super is just DB called a specific way, if it was called Duper, it'd be the same just like the next show called Mega is also just gonna be DB.
>>531052961
>Bejita's "distraction" did nothing.
I completely agree but retards are gonna be retards

>>531052924
Because they are retarded chimps who can't formulate what they actually want. They want more Dragon Ball but their low IQ stop them from recognizing anything not called exactly 'Dragon Ball Super'.

Retards on twitter are losing their minds because Toei Europe used the # DBS2025 on twitter while celebrating DBS's tenth anniversary.

>>531052880
Fun fact, the words "ultra" and "super" are the same in Japanese. Both are "cho". There is zero way to tell them apart as far as I know because they don't have an equivalent.
This caused a controversy during the ToP with some people called herself in SS Grade 3 "ultra". "Ultra Super Saiyan" was the old fan name for the form so people thought it was being made official.
So I don't think "Dragon Ball Ultra" will ever be a real name because it'd be the same in Japanese as DBS.

>>531053425
some people thought Caulifla called herself*

>>531053425
>So I don't think "Dragon Ball Ultra" will ever be a real name because it'd be the same in Japanese as DBS.
True but consider the following: That's exactly why they should do it. It'd be such a mindfuck for everyone involved.

>>531053425
But they can always name it in english no? Just like Super Hero was named Super Hero in english.

>>531053602
Toriyama forgetting DBS already had a 'super' in the name make more sense when you remember he probably called it 'Dragon Ball Chou' in his head.

Dragon Ball is opening the first official Dragon Store in Tokyo in fall 2025: https://x.com/DB_official_en/status/1944260574709527022

>>531053602
They could do that ig. Isn't "Ultra" a hard word for them to pronounce?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUllbULnQbI
I guess they did it for MHA so it isn't impossible.

>>531053105
>DB Super is just DB called a specific way
... and coming decades after DB, with a different trademark and license and with different specific stories, characters, techniques and stuff specific to it. When someone asks for Super they ask for Super, not just any DB, how dense can you be?

>>531054158
>You are dense for not being retarded like me
They aren't asking for Super re-runs, retard.

>>531038571
>>Saiyan Conqueror Quest is initially basically what it sounds like, it features a Saiyan that unga bunga's around and fights shit, except the QM throws in literally everything he can and treats it like a kitchen sink. So for example, the literal Covenant from Halo are enemies of the Frieza Force, and some of the enemies that get unga bunga'd are hordes of Elites and Jackals and Grunts and whatever. But also there's a DC Earth out there, and also Jojo stuff is there right down to the Stands and Hamon, and also literal Isekai protagonists are on some planets that do business with Frieza, and also the unga bunga Saiyan unga bungas so hard he gets to go Broly mode, and also this is all somehow the Supreme Kai of Time's fault.
Sounds incredibly entertaining too bad it's in whatever the fuck a quest is.

>>531054325
Nobody asked for Super re-returns but hey at least you finally understood that when someone asks for something Super related they refer to a very specific part of the DB franchise and not just any DB content in general. Good job, kid.

>>531054158
>not just any DB
There's only 1 DB.

>>531039327
>Reminds me when an anon suggested for Goku's susanoo to grow out of his hair since that has wuxia roots too.
Explain. What the hell does hair length have to do with chinese adventure action fiction.

>>531054413
>You were right but hey, I have a bunch of snarky nonsense to say so I can feel a part better
Okay so DB Daima is exactly what they wanted, more animated DB, which is the same regardless of suffix, just like with Z.

It's unironically more likely to have a DBS anime remake than a "return", just look at FMA

>>531054540
In either case they'd eventually have to draw Cell Max which is a Giant Cell with all of his spots on LOOOL
No CGI this time to escape his WRATH.

>>531039327
>Where he's from U6 and so powerful he puts up a fight against SSG Vegeta).
>
>Also really likes to make harems for Spider-Man. He's self inserting as Spider-Man every time.
Sounds mentally ill give me this shit

>>531054510
>What the hell does hair length have to do with chinese adventure action fiction.
Sannin hair and bones (with their hair and bones being connected / one and the same somehow) in Wuxia is where their powers resides and their chi is stored / 'processed', so old immortals all have super long magic hair they can basically control like their body.
It's the same logic for why hair color change with power ups so much in anime.
Basically just look at the Immortals in Touge Oni.
And yes, that's also why cultivators almost always have their hair go all the way down to their waist.

>>531054413
By your logic, if Daima was just DBS episode 132, people would be getting what they want.
>>531054745
It's also why hair often get longer with new forms or power ups like Gon's.

>>531054636
To be fair, Toriyama was the one who cared to make the animators' job easier. Toei themselves don't give a fuck about whipping their animators into drawing every single spot over and over.

>>531039429
Women are the least proactive creatures you can imagine. If life is shit there is not a SINGLE thing they will do. The "meme"/"joke" of them expecting men to do everything for them is reality. The only way you can get them to do something is if you're above them in the authority latter (EG, you're their husband or dad) and you order them to do something. They have to respect you or else they won't do it too. Societal pressure works on some women but not all of them.
So yes, they make terrible main characters and it makes sense men don't know how to write that. Unironically, Toriyama writing them as housewives was one of the best things he did.

>>531054534
>haha I can't read
Too bad. No, not everyone wanted more DB, some wanted more DB *Super*.

>>531054874
>by your logic if they did more DBS the people who wanted more DBS would get more DBS, and the only reason they didn't get more DBS is because they didn't get DBS, but DBD instead!
You are a smart one aren't you?

>>531055223
>>531055348
You said you wanted more DB Super and a retard said 'you got DB Daima, same shit' and you still can't tell it's bait? You are a retard too

>>531055010
they actually make great protagonists for romance and horror stories because of this.
take a look at the typical harem romcom; even though the MC is male he is usually spiritually female because they have zero drive or vision and instead wait for the girls to always make the first move.
of course, it's wish fulfillment because every guy fantasises about a gaggle of bodacious babes being so hungry for him that they do the pursuing, but still.

of course, this goes out the window with Saiyan females because of what little we know about them it's somewhat more acceptable to portray them as aggressive and adventurous. but still, there needs to be some degree of difference.

>>531042524
Keep doing what you are doing.

>>531055537
>I got blown the fuck out, quick reply to myself saying it's bait so I have an excuse to run
That's just sad.

>>531055223
>>haha I can't read
We noticed.
>Nooooo, I don't want dragon ball, I want dragon ball that's the same but with a specific suffix!!!
So you just want more Dragon Ball and don't even understand it.

>>531055348
So you do agree that if Daima was just DBS episode 132, you'd be getting what you want, right?
And no, it doesn't take being smart to figure that out, it's what this entire thread has been hammering through your retarded skull.

>>531042524
I bet the tail is an erogenous zone for saiyans in the bedroom. gentle caressing, stroking, kissing... make a saiyan girl MELT

>>531055348
In case you didn't notice, which is probably the case, you just agreed with the guy you've been crying at this whole time in this reply.

>>531055348
>Yes, I'd have clapped and shat my pants in joy if I saw Goku fighting Gomah but it was called DBS episode 152 instead of Daima episode 20
God, this keep getting funnier

>>531055632
>they actually make great protagonists for (the worst most boring stories to come out of Japan)
>even though the MC is male he is usually spiritually female
Lines up. I should have specified non romance. Obviously that's their thing, along with those smut books where they get raped by man wolves.
>take a look at the typical harem romcom
I have watched a few of these (Haganai and a few others). They're really shit to be honest. They are shit precisely because the MCs are so fucking dogwater and have zero agency.
>of course, this goes out the window with Saiyan females because of what little we know about them it's somewhat more acceptable to portray them as aggressive and adventurous. but still, there needs to be some degree of difference.
I guess. At some point they stop being "female" and start being "man but with sex appeal for male viewers".

>>531053208
Most vindicated man in history.

>>531056090
that's why I said there needs to be some sort of difference but not necessarily the same difference that affects humans.
The need to set that difference is probably why Toriyama never bothered, because he didn't care about trying to create lore for saiyan culture and society.

>>531055930
I think it's something more like kicking them in the dick. It probably hurts a lot and is a nogo zone.

Speaking of the DBS manga I have just read the Goku Black Arc yesterday. I switched to color midway through. Is the ToP better? I liked the DB quite a bit. I felt excited reading it during the last half. The plot was retarded but the fight was pretty decent aside from Vegetto showing up for ~10 pages just to do nothing

>>531056554
>Is the ToP better?
The TOP is genuinely the worst part of the entire manga.

>>531056376
it hurts to get kicked in the dick but getting it stroked and sucked is the best feeling in the world

>>531056640
How many chapters? I will have to speedread it it seems

>>531055537
I just don't get why even for the 10th anniversary they can't even release an interview with the writers or some illustration from the artists like pic related. 10 years since your DB revival series and you just post a tweet?

>>531056716
I don't remember but not many, Toyotaro really rushed it.

>>531056756
They literally just released a new show, that was the celebration.

>>531056554
It doesn't pretend the jobbers are worth shit and you don't have SSB spam against SS tier jobbers which is pretty nice but Kefla is a letdown

>>531056884
>It's pretty nice because it discarded the entire point of the TOP and fit my retarded powerscailing headcanon
Kill yourself.

>>531056884
Salagir, we already told you to fuck off

>>531056376
that's because saiyan males are brutes with no sense of delicacy. this is why it's so important to culture relations between human men and saiyan women, those girls desperately need the gentle guiding hand of (you) to show them what real pleasure is.

>>531052001
Uncle and niece is a good dynamic. The age gap is too big for them to be cousins in my opinion. 12 years is huge.
>Goten Age 767
>Pan Age 779

>>531056376
>is a nogo zone.
Why? Balls and dicks aren't no go zones despite it literally being your exemple here.

>>531056884
>It doesn't pretend the jobbers are worth shit
Remember when Goku held back against Tenshinhan in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and we got what is widely agreed upon one of the top 10 best fights in (probably) manga history?

>>531056835
Daima wasn't even supposed to be the celebration for the 40th anniversary of DB anime overall and you want me to believe it was for the 10th anniversary of Super?

>>531057506
That wasn't specifically for any anniversary but it's stated goal was as a celebration of all of DB. That's what everyone on the staff said both on social media and on promotional panels.

>>531054745
>>531054874
Huh interesting. I am definitely reading some Wuxia before ever doing any Dragon Ball fanmanga.
This makes it sound like Super Saiyan 3 made a lot more sense in Japan than it does over here in the west.

>>531057301
when you have a lot of cousins big age gaps aren't unusual. I have one cousin who is 13 years younger than me and another who is nearly 20 years older.
remember, Goten is 7-8 years younger than Gohan, and they're direct siblings.

>>531057412
It's funny how people who defend Toyotaro's obvious bad decisions can't make up their mind on if he 'makes the whole casts / Earthlings really matter again!' or if he 'respect the powerscailing and get rid of the fodders'.
Like regardless of taste, it's pretty obvious his rush job of the TOP was a terrible decision, same for the Xicor personality change Goku Black got. Both were clearly amateur mistakes because he was excited after getting permission to make the Granolah arc.

>>531057412
>Tenshinhan was over a 50% of Goku's full power, he wasn't a joke whatsoever
>the ToP jobbers aren't even 1% of Goku's full power, there are dozens of them, the whole event is on a time limit and defeat means absolute erasure
Your comparison makes zero sense no matter how you put it. If I wanted an Android 18 tier fat bitch take a kick from SSB Goku I would play a DB videogame

>>531056650
>>531057236
>>531057403
Maybe you're right...
It's probably a very freaky thing that not every girl would let you do. Like of like rimming or some other depraved shit. It's definitely off limits until you are very close beyond just fuckbuddies.

>>531057634
>-They did nothing for Super
>+They did this
>-For Super?
>+No, just DB in general
I stand correct

>>531057715
>Huh interesting. I am definitely reading some Wuxia before ever doing any Dragon Ball fanmanga.
Wuxia is a very vast field, it's basically almost 'catch all martial art chinese fantasy' so not every novel will do things the same way but yeah, reading Wuxia stuff, especially the older stuff is pretty important to understand DB's inner logic and a bunch of references and tropes.
>This makes it sound like Super Saiyan 3 made a lot more sense in Japan than it does over here in the west.
Pretty much, the inspiration is pretty clear too. Same reason that in Naruto, you had Jiraya, the Toad Sannin, with his giant weaponized hair.
>>531057834
>the ToP jobbers aren't even 1% of Goku's full power,
Which is irrelevant because they're fighting Roshi, not Goku.

>>531057834
Tien was also an established character and former rival to Goku not a literal random faggot from Planet Chump in Universe Nobody Cares

>>531057982
>They should make a celebration for Super specifically a few months after making a show that's a celebration for all of DB, including Super
You stand retarded.
>>531057894
Following your exemple about a kick in the nuts, it should be the equivalent of fondling someone's balls, no?

>>531058076
I would put kung fu comedy movies high up on the list of stuff to partake of. Toriyama himself said he was most immediately inspired by Jackie Chan.

>>531058208
>they couldn't release some illustration of UI Goku from Yamamuro or an actually good artist or something like that because they made Daima a few months
(You)

>>531057834
>If I wanted an Android 18 tier fat bitch take a kick from SSB Goku
Said 18 who's equal to 17 and thus in Goku's ballpark? You literally picked the worst character for your retarded complaint.
>>531058103
Established character who was established as not being able to do shit to Goku if not for Chaozu cheating on his behalf for most of the fight and then getting lucky.

>>531057834
>>Tenshinhan was over a 50% of Goku's full power, he wasn't a joke whatsoever
>Has NEVER read the manga
Ok nigga.
Here's another example. Perfect Cell used less than half of his power against Goku, one of the best fights in animanga history. Freeza during the whole Arc could have just one shotted literally everyone, he didn't and we got the best Arc in manga history.
Holding back against weaker opponents and giving them "undeserved screentime" has been a part of Dragon Ball (and fiction in general. And fucking life in general, you ever play fight with your siblings?) since the beginning.
One shotting everyone because "muh powerscaling" makes for such a shitty story that only people who have no writing experience (EG, fanfic writers) do so. Unless it's treated like a gag like Toriyama did it.

>>531058348
Of course, the Drunken Master is basically THE movie to watch if you want to understand Roshi.
Honestly watching most of that era of Hong Kong Kung Fu movies is important. Bruce Lee was no less important to DB than Jackie Chan.
>>531058361
>Wanting a Yamamuro celebratory picture
Leave the poor guy in his retirement home.

>>531058451
>Unless it's treated like a gag like Toriyama did it.
Even as a gag, the one shotted guy tended to at least get back up a bit, even if still shaking.
True one shots are very rare in DB.

>>531057752
>Goten is 7-8 years younger than Gohan, and they're direct siblings.
They're in completely different stages of life. They're close but only because they live in the same house. I have something similar with a sibling who is 9 years younger than me. When you're that far apart it's hard to be as close until adulthood.

>>531058364
>18 who's equal to 17

If you're artistically obsessed with powerscaling it's impossible to have fun with a story. powerscaling nonsense should always be a secondary concern for every writer.

>>531058880
They literally fight side by side with the exact same level of power and the exact same results in that very same arc. Watch the fucking show.

>>531058451
>keeps picking up fights that have some meaning to the story and thus deserve to be good instead of "Ultimate Gohan taking twenty minutes to beat Gero-tier Glup Shittos in an event where losing means erasure even from afterlife"
You aren't gonna make it.

>>531058664
you still see them as an older sibling. I had cousins in their teens and twenties when I was Pan's age and although I wasn't super close to them I definitely had a more 'cousin' relationship than 'uncle/aunt' one with them. The only exception was my eldest two cousins who were nearly 30 at the time.
the big difference is whether you see them as an equal or as an authority figure. Given how casual the Son clan is with filial piety, it's very believable Pan wouldn't see Goten as an authority figure in the way she would view Gohan. after all, she explicitly sees Trunks as a friend rather than "a family friend". if she sees Trunks like that, then why not Goten?

>>531059161
Every fight has as much meaning to the story as the authors give it dipshit. Piccolo vs Krillin is a better example then for your autistic ass. A by this point mostly irrelevant character fighting against the end boss of the Arc. It's incredible fight even if you know for certain Krillin won't win.
This would be equivalent to Android 18 fighting against Jiren.

>Set up a team based tournament with weaker and stronger members needing to work together in a battle royal where killing is forbidden and someone can only be eliminated by ring out. The winner is decided by who has the most members remaining
>The 'good writing' decision in this situation is obviously to just instantly stat check 90% of the tournament and sum up it all up in like 2 boss battles and one offscreen fight
>Please ignore how that doesn't build up at all toward Goku and Freeza at their weakest winning the tournament by sacrificing themselves to ring out a Jiren stronger than them so the weaker 17 can claim victory thanks to outlasting everyone else.
I have no idea how anyone can genuinely think like that.

>>531059460
>Every fight has as much meaning to the story as the authors give it dipshit
And the author made it so there are a shitton of jobbers nobody cares about in the ToP and a couple of actually strong enemies. He also made it so the characters have no reason to waste a lot of time given they only had about 40 minutes to win or they would disappear forever. There's no excuse for pretending Glup Shitto deserves an episode for him fighting Goku, Gohan, Vegeta or anyone who could and by all means should and would one-shot him in a minute tops.

>>531059467
teams should've only had 3 competitors each. having a dozen players for each of the 12 universes meant there was simply too many battles to go over, most of them being shitters who get vibe checked by anyone important to the plot.

>>531059286
>older sibling
Actually they are my junior. I am the eldest.
Goten is explicitly her uncle, not her cousin.
>I had cousins in their teens and twenties when I was Pan's age and although I wasn't super close to them I definitely had a more 'cousin' relationship than 'uncle/aunt' one with them
Where are you getting the cousin thing from?
This is confusing me. did you mean to say "I had aunts/uncles in their teens and twenties"?
Anyway whatever relationship they have I do want to see it explored. They are two of the frankly most "quietly" hyped up characters in the franchise. Anytime Gohan gets something there is always the question of "Goten and Pan are related, why can't they get Super Demon Beast 5000?"
Goten and Pan are constantly set up as these fighters that may have more potential than Gohan but aren't allowed to compete due to being too young. For all of DBS Goten was constantly teased like this.

>>531059996
I think you should just stop being retarded and defending a dogshit decision by Toyotaro.

>>531059467
The tournament of power desperately needed more buildup. Give us a few chapters/few more episodes dedicated to the lives of the guys in the other universes. Imagine if each competing Universe got a 3-12 episode side series running concurrently with the main plot (like a different anime running weekly).You'd have a lot more to care about.

>>531059942
>There's no reason to ignore and curbstomp my shitty powerscailing headcanon!
There's one: Basic writing and quality. The anime did it and is infinitely better than the manga version.
>Muh star wars fandom term!
Nobody cares, Salagir.

>>531060006
the point I was making is that their age gap isn't that big, and that given their closeness in age she would probably treat Goten more like a cousin. If Goten was like 30 during GT I can believe she wouldn't see him that way, but he's only 21-22.
of course she would know Goten is genetically her uncle. I'm talking about in terms of actual relationship. Age/social standing matters more than actual genetics. If I had an uncle who was my age or even within 15 years of my age, I sure as hell wouldn't be treating him like an uncle, and I'd laugh at him to his face if he demanded I respected him that way. like, dude, your nuts hadn't even dropped yet when I was born. get over yourself.

I unironically think Salagir posts or has posed in here and or /dbs/ in the past

>>531060520
I doubt it, he's the kind of faggot who's terrifying by 'Le Hacker known as 4chan'.

>>531060605
More like he's afraid of reading genuine criticism he can't censor. Imagine making an echo chamber of yesmen to approve your retarded ideas. Failed fuckin hack writer never grew balls.

>>531060808
He's probably already too scared to look at twitter when it come to his fanmanga, let alone 4chan.
The comments on his website get purged constantly and the discord is basically a gulag.

If they can't write a tournament (which by has to include jobbers unless you make it last 10 years) then don't write a tournament. Toyo was forced to because the Anime did it. I think it's telling he hasn't done a tournament arc since. He doesn't know how.

>>531061089
Toyotaro shouldn't have taken the job then, simple as.

>>531061214
>Turn down the opportunity of a life time because you don't know how to do something
No man worth respecting does this.

>>531030254
Freeza lost his mind at the end, he probably knew how retarded the backstab attempt was but he felt so bad

>>531032707
Salagir would absolutely think like that

By the way, notice how these retards said DBM is more accurate when it comes to powerlevels... Only to then have all the tournament contestants still believe they have a chance after seeing Vegeto being 5000 stronger than they are (the best of them)

Ribrianne and 18 (Super) are stronger than Super Vegito

>>531055010
Reminder Salagir thinks he fixed Toriyama's writing by adding all these shitty women fighters. Everywhere, btw.

>>531060227
>what if instead of trying to prove you wrong I said I already did it?
Then you are still out or arguments to explain why I should watch a SSB tier guy spend ten minutes against someone who couldn't even touch Cell when they all are fighting for the very existence of their universes in a tournament where they have 70 enemies and less 50 minutes to fight
Hint: No, making characters dumb enough to waste their time like that isn't good writing.

>>531061816
>Ribrianne
>The ace of a Universe more well off than ours that's powered by something never seen before (love) is surprisingly strong
This is believable. She isn't a part of any race that we're familiar with, her power system is new, and the narrative supports her being strong
>A past villain who doesn't train significantly who has done done nothing since her introduction is on par with someone so powerful that an ancient evil + the strongest warrior of all time + the second smartest fighter of all time couldn't touch him, from her home universe
Bullshit.

>>531061329
>I don't respect anyone who's not an unqualified rat with no sense of responsability.
Ew.

>>531061368
Of course he knew and couldn't stop himself. That just make it even more pathetic.
>>531061520
>By the way, notice how these retards said DBM is more accurate when it comes to powerlevels...
Accurate to what power level? The power scale in that fanmanga makes no sense in general and we haven't had power levels in DB since the Namek Saga.
Whenever people say that, they mean 'My arbitrary headcanon for what should and shouldn't be allowed for each character'.

>>531062128
>You just proved me wrong! How dare you!
At least you didn't even try to pretend you could address what I said, it would have been insulting for the both of us.
>against someone who couldn't even touch Cell
According to what? Your headcanon?
Hint: Nobody cares about your headcanon and not respecting them isn't bad writing. Using the teams you set up is a good writing.

>>531062686
>Twisting words
Very disingenuous. The "responsibility" is working your ass off once you get these opportunities and improving as fast as you can.

>>531062128
>and less 50 minutes to fight
So quite literally an eternity by DB standards, which the anime proved by doing exactly what the manga should have done with 0 issues surrounding the time limit.
>SSJB tier guy was fighting someone in his tier that I don't like, that's bad writing!
You're retarded

>>531063028
>>against someone who couldn't even touch Cell
>According to what? Your headcanon?
You raise a good point. What proof does he have that most of the ToP guys would have a hard time against Cell?

>>531063028
>does the same again
>pretends everyone in the ToP could blow up the solar system
>obviously still can explain why I'm supposed to sit down and see people fighting for their universe against the clock yet not one-shotting jobbers that aren't even a 10% of their full power
2/10 do better

>>531063065
Your responsibility is working your ass off to be worthy of those jobs before taking them. Accepting a job you're not competent enough to complete is irresponsible.

>>531062237
18 is 17 tier. 18 > SSG Goku > Super Vegito

>>531063275
>Point out an obvious fact that I don't like and goes against my headcanon again
>Doesn't agree with my headcanon
>How dare you explain something obvious, also here's my random headcanon again
Cope better.
>>531063203
Literally nothing. It's pure headcanon delusion. He's just mad characters aren't treated like he think they should after he put them in arbitrary power tiers that were never established.

>>531063450
>18 is 17 tier.
And she's stronger than a powered up Ribrianne. Like that's literally what's shown.

>>531063275
>>pretends everyone in the ToP could blow up the solar system
>Going into the "muh destructive feats" argument
Because Dragon Ball has always been consistent with those right?

>>531063278
That's a retarded idea. It's your employer's job to assess your suitability for the position, it isn't on you to limit yourself. Unless you claim he lied or misled Shuisha (how exactly?), then it's them you should blame.

>>531062237
>She isn't a part of any race that we're familiar with
That part doesn't really matter, race in DB amount for very little of your strength outside of race-specific forms.
And even then, the strongest forms are race-neutral currently.

>>531063647
>That's a retarded idea.
No, it's basic responsibility.

>>531063559
>Because Dragon Ball has always been consistent with those right?
It actually has been given that it's been established several times that characters can decide how much their attacks affect the environment, something most works don't bother explaining one way or another.
Retards like him don't acknowledge that tho.

>>531063559
>This doesnt destroy the planet because it just doesnnt... OKAY
Well, yeah. Goku's body takes most of the impact.

>>531063463
>the same all over again
So you won't even try explaining why Gohan or Freeza fought Glup Shitto or Sit Ghluppo the sub-SS3 jobbers for 10 minutes instead of trying to save the universe asap. Sad

>>531063559
>Going into the "muh destructive feats" argument
I didn't, my argument was never "they never destroyed this much, so they can't do it", my argument is that jobbers who lose to humans or 18 are certainly weaker than Cell, our defacto solar system buster. You really are so dumb you read anything involving destruction and thought my argument is "muh destrucive feats" huh? lmao

>>531063787
It isn't. It's the responsibility of the employer, as long as you're honest and not using any connections to pressure them, to assess your suitability. If they say you're good to go, then you're good to go.

>>531064028
>This argument I can't even begin to address again!
And it'll keep being used until you admit you're wrong.
>Try explaining this situation that never happened
Easy: Your headcanon is shit.

>>531064076
>It isn't
It very much is. Your cope for being an irresponsible rat isn't valid.

>>531064028
>My argument is even dumber than you thought! They lost to characters who'd one shot Cell!
That's not something you should be bragging about

Powerlevels need a soft reset. Daima did it well, but still stuck to Goku/Vegeta/Piccolo which sucks

>>531064131
>I will keep pretending I ever explained why having a god tier fighter fighting for his universe with a time limit spending a whole episode fighting sub-SS3 jobbers makes any sense or is good writing
Sad but understandable given your retardation

>>531064379
there's a reason in dbs they made a beerus powerlevel ever changing. even the retards knew it'd be retarded to kill gods and angels and zeno, then go where after?

>>531064403
>I repeated my headcanon, please pretend it's worth anything!
It's really not worth anything and what you said never happened. Sorry you can't deal with Cell being fodder to literally everyone in the TOP.

>>531064403
It's not that at all to see you getting destroyed that hard

>>531064195
>another melty
You're so easy to recognize.

>>531064379
>Daima
>Soft reset
They literally made everyone and their grandma Buu tier.
>>531064482
>The Gods
The Fighters have been becoming stronger than Gods since the Piccolo saga, it's nothing new.

>>531064521
>he's now pretending Cell is fodder to *literally* everyone from an event where Krillin, Roshi and Tenshinhan got wins
Your bait no longer entertains me, it's just disgusting at this point. No need to thank me for the (You) just come up with something better next time okay? Something less repulsively idiotic.

>>531064607
>Randomly changing the subject
So you finally realized that this kind of irresponsible rat behavior was unacceptable.

>>531064761
>He dared say something true, I will now run away crying because my headcanon is dead
>Please just be dumb as me next time
You didn't need to announce it.

>>531064761
Great speech, bro, I'm sure nobody noticed your tears

>>531064607
>>531064761
>Boogeyman accusation immediately followed by getting ran out of the thread
Oh, it was the cumdump again.

>engaging the thread troll

>>531065047
He already left so that doesn't matter.

What the fuck even happened. I started the argument, left halfway through, and it continued. This happens literally every time.

>>531065425
>Discussions on a general don't stop when I leave the thread?!
What a discovery. It's almost like there's multiple people on this thread.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>531065614
More SDV arcades are gonna get recalled this year lol

>>531065614
Happy birthday Super Divers

>>>531065047
>implying it's a troll
I've seen twittertards claim current Roshi beats Boo, never underestimate idiots

>thread troll thought I was taking his side

>>531065861
Talking about that, I wonder how fusion world is doing. The cards are apparently selling well but what about the game itself?

>>531065614
>SSB Gogeta
>SSB Vegetto
>Masked Saiyan

>>531065880
he's the guy who starts a fight with literally anyone who gives him (you)s and will drag the argument out for 6+ hours. I think he's the guy who got exposed a month ago as some schizo from /vp/ obsessed with Red, he argued for literally 12 hours straight over how strong Red is

>>531066018
>Masked Saiyan
Fuck, I hadn't thought about that one

>>531056073
*Episode 19
The Yamamuro segment (Vegeta fight) looked like a typical Super filler/non-key episode

>>531066139
Ok real quick can you tag every post made by the "thread troll". I want to be sure I have the right guy.

>>531052779
>Super Z
Such a stupid name, sounds like something Toriyama would approve like Super Super Hero

>>531066139
>I think he's the guy who got exposed a month ago as some schizo from /vp/ obsessed with Red, he argued for literally 12 hours straight over how strong Red is
Oh I was there, it was so good seeing all of /dbg/ absolutely lynch you and laugh at your shitty OC you kept trying to pretend was stronger than Red.
First time I saw not a single anon side with someone like that.

>>531066139
>he's the guy who starts a fight with literally anyone who gives him (you)s and will drag the argument out for 6+ hours
Sounds to me like you just said retarded shit and keep doubling down while people disagree. The fact this is somehow something that happen to you regularly is the most telling part.

>that happen

>>531049848
Fire Uchida

>>531066139
What?

>>531066241
Here >>531064403
>>531064574
>>531064076
>>531063275
He's really obvious, just follow up.

>>531065043
>>531064521
>>531064131
>>531066342
>>531066414
he's got a very distinct way of posting once you get him going, you can clock him pretty quick once you know what to look for. constant samefagging, claiming "the whole thread agrees" with him, constantly screeching about headcanons, and accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being some bogeyman 'cumdump'

>>531066508
We had a dude from the pokemon general show up here seething about Red being considered the strongest and everyone fucked with him the whole day.
/vp/ told us to keep him but he seems to have gone back.

>>531044742
Go throw some kachi rocks

>>531065043
You called it. He's really mad this time too

>>531066631
>Last two are less than a minute apart
Take your meds

>531065043
>531066725
Ok this is him samefagging right here, correct. I think I'm getting a hold on this schizo.

>>531066678
Nah, he's got a point.

>>531066139
Wasn't the PixivRedfag actually a /lgbt/ shitposter too?

>>531066824
>Okay, I'm getting the hang of this cope
Or, get this, you were wrong online.

>>531026821
>Goku jobbed to a "smarter than you" OC.
This is clearly not the end though. He's probably gonna play some part in defeating XXI eventually.
>a reminder how much the art in that special sucked.
It was great and unconvential. It really helped sell Pan's perspective of how monstrous their fighting would seem to a layman. It would not be nearly as effective if it tried to replicate the regular DB artstyle. There are some badly drawn specials in Multiverse but that was not one of them.
As for your points about Goku and Vegeta, I really didn't see any obnoxious Vegeta worship and Goku bashing when I was reading it. There was never any point where Vegeta's principles are explicitly touted as being more righteous or whatever IIRC. And who cares about alternate Goku fates, a bunch of alternate Vegetas died as well, you have to incapacitate these characters to create any real change in the DB world. Really this seems like you're a Gokufag reading too much between the lines and getting outraged at nothing.

>>531066938
Yeah, he kept accusing people telling him Red was stronger of being some dude who bullied him on that board.

>>531066018
>>Masked Saiyan
They been ignoring Heroes content for so long, i doubt it's happening

Protip from /DBS/, once you recognize a schizo immediately stop engaging. Don't give them a single reply once found. These guys can and will go from the second they wake up to the second they sleep.
Another protip, learn to recognize typing patterns. More often than not your gut instinct is correct and you can call out which person is which given enough time.

>Cumdump is trying super hard to force his /dbs/ reject false flagging
>It's being rejected without anons even noticing what he's talking about
Lol. Lmao.

>>531066335
Wait, hear me out: Zuper

>>531067096
Which era of /dbs/ are you from?

>>531067096
How about you go back? We don't want your schizophrenia here.

>>531067096
Protip from /dbg/: Stay in /dbs/ and keep your drama to yourself, don't make it our problem.

>>531067096
>More often than not your gut instinct is correct and you can call out which person is which given enough time.
Yes, yes, we all know about the cumdump and /dbs/ reject. Nothing new.
>>531067185
Better yet: Dragon Ball Super Duper.

/dbs/: shitpile
/dbg/: cumdump

>>531067096
>Another protip, learn to recognize typing patterns. More often than not your gut instinct is correct and you can call out which person is which given enough time.
Now explain how this is not schizo behavior in its own right, Tienrus RTHly poopdickschizo. What, didn't think I'd recognize your typing patterns huh?

>>531067083
The masked saiyan isn't a Dragon Ball Heroes character.

>>531066545
>>531066631
Does he actually hold opinions or does just say whatever for engagement baiting?

>One side of the argument throws a tantrum saying they're leaving
>'Suddenly' a 'totally unrelated' anon start encouraging the thread to be completely schizophrenic and make up weird boogeymen that are totally everyone disagreeing with you
Oh boy, I wonder why that might be happening.

>>531067597
>Tienrus RTHly
/DBS/bro inside of a mental ward...

>>531067597
>Now explain how this is not schizo behavior in its own right
Almost like that 'advice's entire point is just to shit up the thread and make it go full schizo because he's mad there was a perfectly normal disagreement about how to write a tournament.
It's almost like /dbs/ has been posting about /dbg/ being a hugbox for like a month now so someone claiming to be from /dbs/ might not have our best interest in mind.

Red lost to a kid in Johto/Alola and teen in Unova btw

>>531067645
Neither, you're being fucked with by at least two guys accusing each others of being some boogeyman aggregate of everyone they dislike because they had an argument online.

>>531067597
>Tienrus RTHly poopdickschizo.
Pedoccolo and the Belgium posts on /dbg/?

So is the whole U7 team stronger than Vegito Z or not

>>531067807
Just like our HERO, Goku who lost to an old guy in the 21st Budokai Tenkaichi and a chinese immigrant in the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi.
Truly the path of the strongest.

>>531067881
>Assuming there are more than regular 7 people here
>>531067953
Tenshinhan, Roshi, and Krillin aren't. Everyone else is.

>>531067953
Everyone on Krillin's level or higher, yes.
So I guess Tenshinhan and Roshi are out or at least inconclusive.
Krillin kept up with and saved 18 from getting eliminate by a dude who was overpowering her. Same 18 was dead equal to 17 and beat a powered up Ribrianne who could fight decently with SSJ Vegeta in a weaker form.
Both also did around as well as a powered up Goku in the Pretty Black Hole.

>>531067953
Depends entirely on how seriously you take Toei powerscaling

>>531068079
>Assuming there are more than regular 7 people here
The average IP numbers when we had them was like 110 on average and that was back when the thread was way slower.
>Krillin
Krillin totally got on that level post enlightenment in that weird ass forest.
Shame he never used Taiyoken times 100 again, that was a cool move, even blinding people's ki sense.

>>531068273
The Rildo fights were so shit. I can't believe he's considered an arc boss.

>>531068408
The website has a whole has far fewer users, people use alt ips/vps often, and I said "regular". There are a lot of people who will make <5 posts per thread there are fewer who make >30.
5-10 regulars with a few ritual posters is my reading here.

>More powerscaling talk.
I don't give a shit about powerscaling, Toyotaro's version of the TOP was lazy as fuck.

>>531068714
>5-10 regulars with a few ritual posters is my reading here
Wrong, it's actually just me. I made every single post in this thread.

>>531068273
huh

>>531068818
Well met, "me". Could "it" be time to "party"?

>>531068818
SameDEITY...

If DBS really get a remake (what would they call it? Dragon ball Super Kai? Dragon Ball Shin Super?), I think the dude who's been begging for a OG DB remake for years might legit end up on suicide watch.

>>531068842
Legitimately what the fuck were they thinking?

>>531068657
Wdym? They are some of the only decent fights in GT

>>531069097
Since the original wasドラゴンボール 超 (スーパー) just call the remake ドラゴンボール 超 (ウルトラ)

>>531068842
>>531069315
>a clone of Gohan or whatever is as strong as Gohan
I don't get it, what's so weird about that

>>531069347
Eh, the fights were basically second string tier IMO, not worth an arc boss. Compare that to any Freeza, Cell or Buu fight and it's not even funny.

>>531069097
the only parts of Super that warrants a remake is the U6/ToD saga. the TV adaptation of BoG and RF suck, but they already have movie alternatives that are better than even a remake TV series could accomplish.

>>531069538
I think the problem here is Base Goku just matched a full power Ultimate Gohan. I don't remember the context for it tho so I could be wrong.
>>531069447
I can't read moon runes, what does that mean?

>>531064671
>The Fighters have been becoming stronger than Gods since the Piccolo saga
...to the series' detriment.

>>531069641
>RF suck
I love Super overall but holy shit the ROF arc was trash.
>>531069703
Doesn't change that 'where can they can go after doing that thing they already did a bunch?' is a silly question.

>>531069838
They can go to creating new redundant jobber gods, which no one wants.

>>531069916
Worked from the Piccolo arc to the TOP arc.

>>531069538
>Goku is so much weaker than Super Buu he's too scared to even try to fight him even with Vegeta's help
>Ultimate Gohan makes Super Buu his bitch with a couple of hits
>"I don't get it, what's so weird about base Goku fighting Ultimate Gohan?"
This is how you get people thinking Krillin is SSB tier

>>531066963
>This is clearly not the end though. He's probably gonna play some part in defeating XXI eventually.
That's optimistic, but even if that's the case
>Goku has already been treated like trash by the DBM story (and I'm not saying this as a Vegetafag or complaining that Vegeta got handjobs, Vegeta got the short end of the stick when the main writer decided to skip his Cell fight and focus on more Bra special chapter)
>The tournament final fight has already been trashed, to never recover

And even with that it's very doubtful, I'm pretty sure he'll play some part but it'll be very negligible compared to the rest because he just doesn't have the retarded hack powers

>>531070043
>This is how you get people thinking Krillin is SSB tier
No, you get that by not paying attention to the episode. That's very different.
>>531066963
Goku hasn't played a part in defeating any threat in that entire fanmanga yet. Which mean he hasn't been useful once in 17 years.
No fucking way he does anything against XXI

>>531070043
You don't even have to go that far.https://youtu.be/uYtXj6dfTs0?si=2rPbz7ohlUCI5zhE . The anime has this gem of a fight.
This is the same anime that says kid buu is the strongest btw.

>>531066963
>This is clearly not the end though.
It's the end of the tournament though. And it ended with Goku being one shotted like a bitch.

>>531069998
Sure, in the same way creating new grades of SSJ over and over again "worked"

>>531052351
>Does Shitlagir really think Piccolo is a better fighter than Goku?
Probably. Or at least "Smarter". Without forgetting he probably has some retarded headcanon about Piccolo's magic.
> The same story with the god tier untouchable mythical goku
In Salagir's mind, that Goku get one shotted by Namek Freeza if he doesn't go Super Saiyan. Same Goku who fought Uub in base BTW.

>>531070043
Gohan lost to Super Buu, Gohanfag

>>531069681
超 chou is a character that can translate to super, hyper, ultra, etc. In DBS case the furigana tells you it's supposed to be pronounced "super" (スーパー suupaa). Instead I suggest 超 but with furigana telling you to pronounce it "ultra" (ウルトラ urutora)

>>531070437
It did work though.

>>531070685
I don't want to see any more pointless jobber gods.

>>531070674
Oooh, that's pretty smart. That would be a cool name.

>>531039692
>Path to Power already went at a breakneck pace so going even faster than that sounds like a bad decision.
Yeah at times the story advances too fast. Roshi's training was basically skipped over, which could be excused as "Well we saw it in the manga already", but the Baba training was skipped over too. Character relationships are just sort of there as well, barely existing... I can see that it tries to slowly cause a domino effect with the changes, but the writing is sort of bland. The occasional Joss Whedon/TFS dialogue doesn't help but thankfully it got toned down.

>>531054639
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14037452/1/Universe-Six-s-Unluckiest-Warrior
Gets real boring once Spider-Man is back on Earth, as the plot stops to throw women at him (Both Marvel/DC heroes and Caulifla and Kale). Had forgotten he has the Phoenix Force for reasons too.

With how horny he is, I'm surprised the guy doesn't write pure porn more often, Vados here is really into Spider-Man and even told Caulifla and Kale where he is, just to make his harem grow.

His take on Frost is alright, making him actually heroic and not just pretending sets him apart from Freeza. Peter is far more obnoxious than I remembered on the other hand, easily the worst part of the story.

>>531070582
Gohan was absorbed like a bitch because he was a retard. He was still drastically stronger than Buu. SS3 Gotenks, too, was way stronger than Buu and beat the crap out of it in one fucking page as soon it started to fight for real, and was absorbed, too.
Gotenks and Gohan being two retards doesn't change the fact they are way stronger than SS3 Goku and the anime made base Goku fight Ultimate Gohan just like that.

>>531070783
I wanna see 10 times more pointless jobber Gods, it'll be just like a real chinese story.
>>531070872
>Had forgotten he has the Phoenix Force for reasons too.
Most boring power up even within Marvel's already boring store of powerups BTW
> but the Baba training was skipped over too.
That's a shame but I can understand why it'd be too hard to come up with for an amateur writer.

Remember when people thought Goku reached SSB2 in the ToP because they just drew SS2 Goku with blue hair?

>>531071125
I remember the episode where the ToP began having Golden Freeza when he was supposed to be in base so they just recolored him lmao

>>531052351
>>531052379
>fan manga can't focus on other characters and make up cool things about them because it just can't, okay?? It has to be about Goku at all times GOKUGOKUGOKU

>>531071125
I don't, did that really happen?

>>531071125
I remember some people saying it was actually Gohan going SSB kek

>>531071378
I mean I wouldn't consider those 'people' but yeah

>>531071351
This but unironically. I want my hero to be in focus. The rest of the cast is just there to make him look good.

https://x.com/SupaChronicles/status/1944020915441881599
Can someone remind this loser about the Xenoverse 3 shit he lied about?

>>531071351
>making everyone appear better at Goku's expense by making Goku a retard who can't sense things is good!
You loved Dragon Ball Super

>>531071707
>headcanon
You post on /dbs/

>>531071839
I can tell you do by the way you post.
>>making everyone appear better at Goku's expense by making Goku a retard who can't sense things
This is exactly what happened in that SHITlagir page. Piccolo could sense the time stop but Goku couldn't. Therefore Piccolo was made smart by making Goku a retard.

>>531070229
I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying, dumbass
>Toei made retarded shit like base Goku being Ultimate Gohan tier in Z and Krillin being SSB tier in Super
So yes it's what you get from paying attention to Toei indeed

It's entirely possible for kid Buu to be stronger than buuhan without Goku being stronger than ultimate gohan

>>531071001
>Most boring power up even within Marvel's already boring store of powerups BTW
It's a mess alright...

>That's a shame but I can understand why it'd be too hard to come up with for an amateur writer.
Given how unusual the powers they learned is, a shame there wasn't any focus on it. Even a brief focus on them meditating to learn mental based powers would've helped, but alas...

>>531071584
>I remember some people saying it was actually Gohan going SSB kek
It's funny how these characters and forms all look so similar these can be serious debates

>>531069315
>>531068842
>what were they thinking?
Something along the lines of
>wow, let's raise the tension
>Goku is fighting that Gohan clone! Super exciting battle between the Hyper Warriors!
>dialogue, huh... let's have Goku say "he's as tough as the real thing", that sounds good!

It's that simple. And honestly it's way better than any "powerscaling".

>>531066963
>He's probably gonna play some part in defeating XXI eventually.
"Eventually" a Goku "probably" doing something to defeat this villain after two decades is putting a lot of hope in a writer who likes to ignore and humiliate other Gokus, and this fight showed Main Goku is no exception.

>As for your points about Goku and Vegeta, I really didn't see any obnoxious Vegeta worship and Goku bashing when I was reading it.
The bashing isn't direct (Save for Prince Vegeta and Schizoku), but there is a clear preference for Vegeta. Vegeta is the one pushing for Pan to become a warrior by convincing her to fight Schizoku, and later telling her to go save Videl, his fights against himself from another universe and Schizoku are both meant to show he became a better person, and he got an undeserved win against Cell. He did ultimately lose against Goku, but after the way Goku lost to XXI, that was a blessing in disguise.

>And who cares about alternate Goku fates, a bunch of alternate Vegetas died as well
Other Vegetas were treated with more dignity. Prince Vegeta is the most wanked one since he got SS2 before the tournament, and SS3 during it (Even though he lost the fight against Raichi) and outclasses Schizoku who couldn't use SS2 without Babidi's help. King Bardock Vegeta was Bardock's entire plan to kill Broly. Inexplicably the Gohan from Trunks' universe decided to be ruthless because Vegeta told him so (If anything, Piccolo should be the one telling Gohan to not be too much of a softy).

>>531080069
>Inexplicably the Gohan from Trunks' universe decided to be ruthless because Vegeta told him so
God do I still hate how fucking stupid that was. What utter nonsense, every part of it.

>>531080892
>What utter nonsense, every part of it.
And it's not even the most nonsensical part in that flashback!

>>531079861
If characters can randomly grow a million times more powerful in the middle of the story with no explanation then what's the point? That deletes all tension.

>>531082234
Well, that works for a work that actually delivers on consistency, which also involves good pacing (consistency matters much less when you've got 600 episodes full of fillers and dumb stuff going all over the place).

It's not a bad idea to ignore MUH POWERSCALING if needed but context should be good I guess? For instance, Piccolo can go to Namek to fight Freeza despite having only trained for one month, because "he's Piccolo, and Piccolo is pretty strong, and he went through super training!", no numbers to be crunched.

>>531041986

>>531081614
>>531080892
Don't forget though, DBM has less plotholes than Dragon Ball! God praise the fr*gs for fixing that dirty j*p's work!

>>531085432
Toyo will destroy them for humiliating Goku

>left to right
>NO sense of paneling, pacing, drama, fight choroegraphy, anything
>purely carried by Toriyama designs, characters and existing stories

I fucking hate it

>>531083640
Do...do Majin "tails" get wet when they get horny?

>see? Goku got like two panels showing him go "eeeeeh" and doing the generic "eating" filler stuff, that counts as good downtime, right?

>>531055640
Pan should have had a tail, and should have been shy and embarrassed about it

>>531055930
>>531056376
>>531056650
>>531057236
>>531057403
>>531057894
>>531058208
Imagine the kind of tailplay stuff Saiyans would consider kinky and degenerate and yet oh so erotic.

>>531086118
Somehow this keeps getting worse.

>>531081614
Still the stupidest fucking thing they could have done with a Buu saga in the Future. Super's version, be it Toyotaro's or even Toei's, is less pants on head retarded.

>>531081614
>>531087253
I'm so glad Gohan got better by becoming ruthless and lying to his opponents!

>>531086118
>That souinds like him.
THEN WHY DID YOU LOSE

>>531085968
Technically, everywhere on a Majin could be an erogenous zone if they so desired...

>>531085968
only when they're horny next to their sister

>>531086118
Goku would definitely care more about losing like this. He's a fight-autist, this reaction is too soft.

Majin incest...

>>531087362
My ruthless hero!

>>531086930
It's a whole new world of possibilities for you

>>531088328
Remember how everyone hated Cell's guts for.... Doing everything he could to defeat Bra/Babidi, but Bra got away with everything?

>>531086118
Ah yes the famous goku mentality
>that sounds like some shit he would do but i didn't attempt anything to counter it, even something like micrododging my vitals or roshambo'ing the fuck
Also
>like 2 panels of talking and eating for downtime
I member when there'd be several chapters in a row of just conversations and they're extremely enjoyable because toriyama wrote fun characters you like to see interspaced with jokes.

>>531087910
Explain

>>531083640
SAUCE PLEASE

>>531086118
>Goku just not caring about not having a proper fight
>"No see they were disappointed in-character so it's fine! Goten and Pan didn't like that!"
>"hon hon hon they think food is more important though BIG FEAST AND THEY HAPPY!"
this has to be salagir taking the piss at this point.

>>531085432
>Has no plot
>Therefore no plot holes
Frogs figured it all out!

>>531088171
Yeah, at the end of the 22nd tournament he didn't care that much about losing, but in tthe 21st he was not happy when Giran was about to beat him by throwing him out of the ring. Goku likes a good fight above all else, and XXI didn't deliver it.

>>531088450
To be fair, Cell threatened Main Bra, injured both Piccolos, and killed two Videls.

>>531088745

>>531089320
Then how about NAPPA getting shat on? He was fully controlled. Hell, Gohan actually hit him afterwards.

>>531088410
YES! YES! MORE PULL PULL TAIL! MONKEY SQUIRM, MONKEY PLEASURE, MAKE MONKEY CUM CUM!

>>531089089
https://e-hentai.org/g/1288751/d9c2069014/
Futa warning

>>531090571
nta but picked the fuck up

>>531072183
>Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's what he's saying!
>*proceed to describe the opposite of what I said*
You're illiterate.

Pan!

>>531080069
>King Bardock Vegeta was Bardock's entire plan to kill Broly.
That still make no sense.

>>531091102
Salagir's attempts to "outsmart" the plot rarely do.

>>531086118
>There they are! The dragon balls from our universe!
Why...? They know that only beings from their universe can (for some reason) use the universal traveling technology, so why risk it by using their own dragon balls that (probably) can grant universal traveling as a wish...?

>>531086118
I do not understand why people insist this is 'good' art.

>>531090912
Forma de sans Padre

>>531087470
Extremely good point.
>>531088236
Based
>>531088571
>roshambo'ing the fuck
What does that mean?

>>531087253
>not Gohunks
lame

>>531091206
That was an attempt to outsmart the plot?

>>531091102
>>531091206
And the entire plan didn't require Vegeta too, that black goo is what killed Broly. Bardock could have killed Broly all along by simply lying to Broly and saying there was a strong enemy there and directing his ship to the planet with that black goo. But since the story needs Brolyfagging and Vegetafagging, they got to fight before Broly got killed anticlimatically.

>>531091303
More detailed shading. Murata tricks people into thinking his art is great still even though it clearly got worse, more rarely a friend of mine used to say DBS' art style was better than Z's because of the shading...

>>531091821
>What does that mean?
The next tier of janken, to power through stopped time through sheer desire to fuck with his opponent alone.

>>531090089
It wasn't just Nappa in that case, characters were killing whoever was possessed by Babidi, though only Nappa got hit afterwards because Gohan is an asshole. I guess Nappa is for bullying.

Why does Vegeta allow his daughter to dress like this?

>>531094019
She wants to and he is whipped enough to let her

>>531092195
>Broly no sells a blackhole but get one shotted by Sci Fi goo
I hate that shit so much

>>531080069
>Other Vegetas were treated with more dignity.
Subjective. Jobbing to Frieza/Cell/Buu/Bojack/androids/whoever is not very dignified for either of them.
>Prince Vegeta is the most wanked one since he got SS2 before the tournament
That whole verse is about Goku resigning to his fate as a low-class warrior. Why would he be stronger than Vegeta there?
>King Bardock Vegeta was Bardock's entire plan to kill Broly.
I don't remember Vegeta solo killing Broly anywhere in Multiverse.
>Vegeta is the one pushing for Pan to become a warrior by convincing her to fight Schizoku, and later telling her to go save Videl
Okay, so? These are nice character moments.
>are both meant to show he became a better person
Yeah? That's pretty much everything Vegeta does after EoZ in any iteration. It would be stupid for him to go back to being a retarded manchild shitting himself over Kakkarotto again.
>and he got an undeserved win against Cell.
That was more of a means to get Goku vs Vegeta.
>Gohan from Trunks' universe decided to be ruthless because Vegeta told him so
That's kinda stupid but it's also a very minor detail.

Again, I don't see any overt Vegeta wanking here. It's not obnoxious and it never derails the plot. You're arguing over things like "Vegeta was the one to say minor X thing at a point in a story when Goku could've said it". This is not what consistutes horrible wanking and preferential treatment in my head.

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>It's entirely possible for kid Buu to be stronger than buuhan
haha
no, it's not
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