Siege Rework Edition
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>>531192786 (OP)40k waiting room
Any bets on whether they'll finally allow artillery and monstrous infantry on the walls for the rework?
>>531193153probably not, seems like a balance thing since infantry is supposed to scale walls and monsters are artillery are supposed to just break through them
if we're lucky we might be able to get spiders on the walls
Anyone expecting anything major for this siege rework is delusional. They canโt even hack out lord packs anymore, they are not uprooting deepset game systems now. Ass ladders forever.
>>531193153lol
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What is Aislinn even supposed to have as a unique mechanic?
All I can think of is something about controlling the seas through Helf colonies, past or present. Full blown British Empire.
>Citadel of Dusk
>Fortress of Dawn
>Estern Colonies
>Controlling Lothern as the super central hub
>Reclaiming Star Tower in Lustria
>Reclaiming the Great Turtle Isle in Lustria
>Conquering Marienburg in the Old World
>Conquering Fyrus in the Araby
And since CA is apparently in dire need to impress given the delay, I dare even hope that they can add some new settlements across the ocean to give more content to seafaring factions.
>Tor Andar to the right of Cothique, making it a three settlement province
>Amazon Island and Columbo's Island/Santa Magritta in Lustria
>Spear Reef Island to the right of CItadel of Dusk
>>531193439the ironic part is that as ladders are literally fine and a scapegoat for the real issues with sieges, and we are more likely to have them remove ass ladders and call it a fix than to actually fix the core issues
>changeling transforms into settra
>no chariot
>no items
>no campaign effects
y-yeah you're so much better
Piggybacking this post
>>531193572What he said plus shit like hunting down the rouge pirates, vampire coast, lokhir, and other seafaring factions.
Sayl has โdiplomatic shenanigansโ. Sounds like shit tzeentch should have as a racial mechanic but w/e.
Dechala is about โdominatingโ her foes. Which is what literally every faction in the game is supposed to do.
Masque is ???
No wonder they delayed. This looks awful now that I write it out.
>>531193572Factionwide bonuses for each high elven colony settlement owned
Special sea lanes available only to Aislinn
That's the best I can do for you
>>531193439Can't they just literally copy what the modders have easily done, but make it look more polished?
Besides these are the Pharaoh guys. If we're talking specifically about assladders, why can't they just grab the ladders from that game, reskin them a bit, and put them in Warhammer?
>changeling transforms into gelt
>no spells
When is the siege rework getting revealed?
If your changeling transforms into anyone other than skarbrand or featus, youโre unironically trolling.
I suppose thatโs in character though.
>changeling transforms into Karl's wife
>got fucked
>several times
>>531193153they'll allow you to position units outside of the settlement thats it
>>531193028just 2 more weeks sir
I would like to not have to wait 2 minutes for reinforcements that have been encamped alongside the besieging army for 2 turns
>>531194104this or next week
>>531194138>skarbrand>over nkarihalf of skarbrand's shit comes with campaign effects and his item
retard post
>>531193572Asilinn gets [teleport mechanic], which will play off well with Wulfrik's revamped [teleport mechanic], as well as Masque's ability to perform special dances in order to [teleport mechanic]
It would be good timing with their announcement that Lizardmen are sure to have some touch ups, like a global [teleport mechanic]
give me one reason why changeling cant change into Nagash and just insta kill everyone
>>531194616I could but it would be beyond your comprehension.
Theres a mod that lets Changeling get mounts you whiny bitch
>>531194832>cheatingyikes x2
>>531193439Just giving more monsters access to wallbreaker and make some siege equipment be available instantly would fix alot of issues
>changling transforms into sisters of twilight
>now iโm 2 chicks
>and a bird
Huh.
>>531194616Changeling would get a tummy ache since Nagash is all about warpstone diet.
>>531193028Reveal trailer at SKVLL !!
>>531194943>left arm Naestra>right arm Arahan>benis birdsimple math
>>531194926The latter is all I need. Fuck waiting for towers, which make the attack so much smoother. Fixes gate pathfinding, fixes blobing up on the gate, circumvents gate bug.
Rams will never be good.
Defeats the purpose of actually laying siege tho. The game and playerbase are too fast paced โmust map paint by turn 50โ to ever actually prolong a siege. Province Capitals should have monster garrisons that require significant force to attack immediately.
>>531195034Pretty sure that the Skulls event was a few months ago.
>they seriously arent gonna do the siege rework blogpost this week
>silence after delay news
Every.
Single.
Time.
I hate these people. GreatCumsockOfGrudges is right, CA should die.
Wood elf women should have sex with reiksguard women
>>531194926>and make some siege equipment be available instantlyAll of it should be available instantly and labor points should be balanced around you doing same turn siege battles. Also add petards so I can do picrelated with chaff units.
Anons do we agree on this?
>>531197301>Luthorina Harkon when xhe looks in the mirror
>>531197678Strong = S-tier
Weak = D-tier
Inspiring!
>>531197678>empire and dwarfs in upper tiers>Greenskins in lower tiersliterally kill yourself
>>531197678>woc other than archy/bele only in a because no confed makes my autism brain sad :(All woc are unkillable s-tier. Youbliterally cant die and will never even be attacked at your home bases as woc except maybe festus if you throw
>Settra the Imperishable
>Tretch Craventail
>Chaos Lord of Tzeentch
What do all of these lords have in common?
>>531198836Anti-large
High armour
Being pretentious
>>531198836Anti-large bonus when on foot
you can tell the devs don't play their own game
>/twg/
>/gsg/
>/crpgg/
What do all of these generals have in common?
>>531199130One faggot in particular frequents all 3
>>531199318Omg heโs just gonna helf with vcoast shipbuilding aint he
>>531198927>>531198928Close, all are strong anti-large fighters that also buff halberd infantry
>>531193961>hunting down the rouge piratesExtremely racist of you, what the fuck
>>531194832is there a mod that lets Changeling get mounted instead
Asking for a friend (me)
>>531199462Thats loaded because any lord can โbuff halberd infโ in their redline but w/e Iโm a halberdfag so it flies
>>531199604they all do well with halberds in particular, but that is true
>>531199446>Omg heโs just gonna helf with vcoast shipbuilding aint heBased if true.
>>531198021Nah, its right, cope greentranny
>>531201070I hope so so the 5 VCoast fans before this can seethe and the people that have never touched or cared for VCoast to get upset too
Anons do we agree on this?
Everqueen? More like the Everslut
>>531204107Why are beastmemes not elfphobes?
>>531203342Those 5 VCoast fans are all Luthor though
>>531204475why would he?
pic is what their relationship is like: beastmen eternally malding, elves often forgetting those annoying goat people exist and worrying about their civil war and races like humans and dwarfs
>>531204803At least Morghur should be there. Fucking up treeniggers is his thing.
Reddit will save VCoast by getting upset about Aislinn and Wulfriks upcoming sea mechanics being everything VCoast wished they could get. Theyll be getting upset for a faction none of them have played, specifically focused on Clyostra and Aranessa. It will lead to Depth Guard getting +6 MD
>>531205118>Theyll be getting upset for a faction none of them have playedvampire coast is one of the most reddit factions in the game
VCoast should never have happened
Harkon should have been a VCount FLC lord with reskinned zombies, thats it.
>>531197678Why is Gorbad that low?
You should all listen to her and be ashamed of yourselves.
https://youtu.be/LaIJfm7yu70?si=hWwqR8xEqoN99gr_&t=228
not really interested in jap history but holy fuck shogun 2 is PEAK
playing right now as the date
how did we lose so much soul? bring back ninja videos
>>531205961dis grot tinks oim gunna click dat link
>>531204467>Everqueen? More like the Everslut
>>531205868Legend doesnโt like greenskins. He especially doesnโt like Gorbad because his entire gimmick feels lazy
>>531205961God imagine Clios body...
Imagine the flabby fat, the remnants of muscle from her failed wrestling career. Imagine the chesthair, her hairy arms, her bulging biceps, her wide jaw...
Imagine her teeth, stained from years of smoking, her breath smelling faintly of nicotine even now...
I'm excited for the Bretonnia rework.
>>531207032she doesn't always shower either, surely she must sweat from time to time in her sweater and socks
>>531207256Why does it need a rework?
>>531205868Gorbad's gimmick sucks. It rquires way too much effort without real payoff. Any other Greenskin can just spam what they buff naturally.
>>531206917And hes not wrong, Da Plan is just a choice of buffs (that arent even permanent) that promote memestacks.
>>531208097idiot retard, his gimmick gives braindead op buffs to whatever composition you are using, zero effort large payoff
The idea behind Da Plan was good (promote weird compositions and mixed unit tactics) but DLC powercreep made it too ridiculous
>>531208035They should have access to warband upgrades
>>531208035>>531209074they also need a way to build up their characters, like path to glory or runes or something
>>531208035they dont need shit but squires should probably not be fucking tier 4
Nobody ITT seriously believes that Neferata has some kind of mastermind plan in mind as mistress of her vampire masquerade infiltrator conspiracy, do they? I mean it's all just a stupid game, a past-time, she sends Lahmian vampires to steal women's clothes and identities because she has nothing better to do. There's obviously no real point to any of it.
>>531206378Excellent picture
>Gorbad is supposed to be a superb Warboss thats intelligent
>used unconventional greenskin mechanics like actively using goblins and ranged warfare
>was a charismatic leader
>none of this is used in Warhammer 3
>Da Plan is just meme buffs
What a wasted opportunity
>>531209074This but also the Empire with all its knightly orders
>>531211324that's the whole point of vampires, all of them are so full of themselves but they really don't hold much power in the grand scheme of things
they become megalomaniacs because nagash was one too
>>531212778Itโs certainly operating like one
Lore-wise was Malekith on Azazel's island list? What's going on?
>>531206917>>531208303I can't deny the Plan is a bit lame. They'd be unironically better if the plans were permanent until replaced but only be usable on 1 army per plan (so only 1 army can get super squigs plan, 1 army can get better orc boys plan), maybe cost more Plan points per plan to compensate. No longer would you have to bother slotting them in every 3 turns, and you could just dedicate an army to X tactic. It's annoying busywork as it is, and once you have 5 armies, you just stop bothering unless it's necessary. You get the basic generic plans when you remember that iirc give movement range and/or reduce upkeep, then you forget. It's just not a very cool mechanic, is all.
>>531212643>Nagash was a vampireWHAT DID YOU SAY, NIGGA?
>>531213478Why is Arkhan so loyal to Nagash?
GorBAD is the guy you play when you want to play Empire, but green.
>try romance mode against my better judgement
>fight 2 battles and hate every second of watching single entities duel or run around in general
>go back to records mode
single entities are and always were a mistake
>/twg/ being fucking entitled again
>CreamAPIfags thinking their opinion matters
>>531213570He is fully aware that Nagash is going to win and he just wants to be on the winning side
>>531208035They need peasant bowmen (longbows), peasant bowmen (longbows, fire arrows) and peasant bowmen (longbows, men in tights)
>>531213923But Nagash always loses
>>531213478no nagash was a megalomaniac and vampires become one too because they are essentially like lesser, cursed nagashes
they all just have their different flavors of it
neferata sees herself as a shadowey overlord, vlad sees himself as a noble prince, etc
>>531204803You're dumb. Both wood elves and even high elves hate and are hated by beastmen and skaven, for obvious reasons. Trying to make it sound like dwarves are the only race that has an antipathy for elves is a dumb reddit meme.
>>531211817how would you integrate those things into total war considering that the player already does all of those things with dumb greenskin lords
I don't care if they're not that good, I fucking love cannons.
Cannister shot should really be a thing all Empire faction should be able to upgrade to, or at least somehow acquire from Nuln at a certain rate and cost
>>531208996The biggest problem to me is just the fact that there's multiple which are "No duh, take this one"
Everyone's final battle is a loss.
There is no shame in that.
>playing warhammer 3
>go to fight chorfs
>constantly bombarded by infinite range artillery spells
>go to fight delves
>constantly bombarded by infinite range artillery spells
>go to fight skaven
>constantly bombarded by infinite range trash summons to my backline and basically unlimited warp lightning
>>531214540Cannons are fine, they just have tocompete with Helstorm Rocket Batteries for infantry and Helblaster Guns/Hochland Long Rifles for taking out things with precision. I wish Franz started with that over a Mortar, that shits too inaccurate
>playing kostaltyn
>everything going fine, norsca pacified, empire united, kislev somewhat strong
>arbaal arrives with 6 stacks, erases kislev
>wait until he separates from the group, deliver localized bear agression to arbaal, manual fight him and order kostaltyn and golden knight to lay the smack on him
>it actually works
>pick the remaining stacks off through high level movement kikery
The only time I had fun in this game
>>531214773Im convinced that half of the factions in this game is absolutely unsufferable to fight against
rats being the ultimate case of being just 100% unfun to fight against and are auto auto-resolve material.
>>531193028indeed, I can see OP even linked the steam page for 40k
>>531214773The unlimited warp lightning is the worst thing imo
It hits exactly like a lore of heavens lightning, but its unlimited and the only way to stop it is to fucking murder the rat that will for sure keep running away from you
I kind of liked sieges in games where you couldn't just climb up any wall you wanted.
Defending a walled city in Rome 2 or Attila with a garrison is very possible.
Defending a walled city in Warhammer 3 with just a garrison is kind of impossible.
>>531215796Removing ass ladders is the starting point in their siege rework, too many people asking for it, I bet my ass they will remove ass ladders.
Going from there, we would need also to remove the ability of units to simply "hop off" the wall on the other side at any point, as if there is no 30ft fall in front of them.
>>531215796Rome Total War sieges will always have a special place in my heart. The struggle over towers that would switch allegiance if you got your own troops in them. Plugging gaps at the walls as units route and maneuver. And the city streets creating actual chokepoints that the AI can't just force its way through with infinite right-clicks.
You've got to be a right and proper retard when even the members of your sycophantic elven court realise that shaving the beards of dwarven ambassadors is extremely stupid.
>>531214761Actually my final battle every day is a pyrrhic victory autoresolve that could have been a decisive victory if I had played out the battle. That's roughly the point when I realise I should take a break.
>>531208035>Why does it need a rework?To make them more fun, and give them more playstyles.
Oh fuck I just realised
Play Repanse
Military Alliance with Empire
Hire Hoontsmen
Kill Lizards
I am looking forward to the N'Kari rework and the first thing I will do is mindbreak Eltharion (not interested, he is just in the way) before going on to dominate Tyrion.
Might add Alarielle to the harem so that they can all keep each other entertained.
>>531216330I am fully convinced that Caledor was snoozing and it was actually the Changeling that ordered the dwarven ambassador to be shaved
>>531216732Wait until the Betrand the Brigand DLC that adds Sisters tier archers (both Averlorn and Thorn variants) for Bretonnia
>>531217421Oh sure buddy and also all of the Asur's accounts of the war of the beard are accurate and Caledor was a noble king and he always wanted peace with the angry dwarfs and the Day of Severing was just a missunderstanding and he only died because he didn't really want to kill the dwarf High King and and and and
>>531217590I know what Avelorn tier means, but what does Thorn tier mean in this context? They've always felt like a weak gimmick unit to me considering their cost.
>>531217794>Oh sure buddy and also all of the Asur's accounts of the war of the beard are accurate and Caledor was a noble king and he always wanted peace with the angry dwarfs and the Day of Severing was just a missunderstanding and he only died because he didn't really want to kill the dwarf High King and and and and
>>531208035Sieges will never be fun. Best thing is to make small + wall-less settlement battles be open field battles, with city in the background.
>>531217590>Wait until the Betrand the Brigand DLC that adds Sisters tier archers (both Averlorn and Thorn variants) for Bretonnia
>>531218750Some of the quest battles have pretty cool maps. I wouldnโt mind if a siege battle was just you defending a breach in a wall section
>>531218750>Sieges will never be fun.is this all due to them being a cavalry focused faction? Why not just encircle the settlement to force them garrison to meet you outside in the open?
People saying Tamurkhan is broken are disingenuous. Nurgle armies cost a fortune, so you can only support 2 or 3 even after having taken the whole of the Mountains of Mourn. Nurgle cannot respond to attacks on multiple fronts.
>>531219423Or rediscover the lostech of dismount
>>531218750Cav factions being shit at sieges is historically accurate
Genghis khan had to import engineers to build siege engines
>>531219643>>531219423No, it's just them not being fun, regardless of faction or game. Outside of novelty or just to spice things up once in a while.
>>531219791The only way to make sieges fun to cav factions would be to increase the width of breaches significantly instead of the dinky little gap we have nowadays
>>531218427What a stupid, goofy cretin
>hehehe I am now a middle aged woman and I'm up to trouble hehehehWould've made more sense to add Magica de Spell to the game for all he's worth.
>>531219940Total War: Duckburg when
>>531219889Why do sieges need to be fun for cav factions? If cavalry is sufficiently strong in the open field to make up for it it's totally fine for them to struggle in siege fights. It's not like you're ever forced to fight an offensive siege battle.
>>531219889I increased the width of your mom's breach LMAO
>>531215796Games without ass ladders:
Rome 1
Medieval 2
Rome 2
Attila
Thrones of Britannia
Pharaoh
Games with ass ladders:
Empire
Napoleon
Shogun 2
Warhammer 1
Warhammer 2
Three Kingdoms
Troy
Warhammer 3
what kind of siege does /twg/ prefer?
>>531220289tough but doable
>>531220370Rome 2 had ok sieges, but also do it like WH2 where smaller and unwalled cities get open field battles.
what faction I should play in the Realms of Chaos campaign? Is there one with more flavour?
>>531221228If you want to play the souls race, play Katarin since she is unironically the main character
otherwise go as WoC so you can take advantage of the quick turn times and just tear through everything
>>531221228RoC is abandonware. Dont waste your time on it.
>>531221228Base game races are the worst, but Boris has a better start position than he does in IE. WoC is the best choice
>>531221228Daniel and head straight south into the Empire
>>531219489Are you sure you aren't properly building your income buildings? Remember to use plagues and to increase growth for the extra revenue.
Also, you don't need every single unit in your 20 stacks to be a Chaos Warrior or above. Marauders and even Nurglings can do their job at a cheap price.
>>531215796Sieges should focus on taking key points of the settlement the struggle for the walls should be tough units shouldn't be able to just teleport off the walls and should need to go to a tower to move down/up so you can actually create chokepoints (this happened in the old games btw)
If you have no siege equipment and no way of breaching the gates/walls (no hydra no monsters etc) you should just auto lose if your siege equipment gets destroyed remove the skavenslaves slap a dwarven gate and somehow open it bullshit
The most obvious fix is pathfinding not much needs to be said, Towers should need to be manned by an actual unit not have someone stand near them
Allow sallies out of the settlement if the enemy runs through the gate make it possible for your units to follow even if the gate is wide open right now if you dont control it you cant walk in it
>TLDR walls need to matter siege equipment needs to matter units need to matterTheres more I can say but I dont wanna have a massive wall of text
>>531222698>units shouldn't be able to just teleport off the walls and should need to go to a tower to move down/up so you can actually create chokepoints (this happened in the old games btw)Yep yep yep. Ideally this should be coupled with removing assladders and (optimistically) wall artillery, but if I could only pick one single thing to fix walls it would be stopping the teleporting.
And of course the Gate bug. Holy FUCK the gate bug.
At this point it's well worth just remaking the gate object from scratch if it proves impossible to fix.
I like the way the developers literally made blobbing a mechanic if you play as Ku'gath. I hope that Nurglings don't get claustrophobic.
LL's whose names you just can't seem to remember right? I keep thinking it's Aranessa Saltspire.
>>531213570He is his only friend.
Arkhan being Nagash only friend I mean
>>531223983I always confuse Belakor with Belagar
>>531224025I used to call Deathmaster Snikch, Snitch.
>>531224025I find myself calling Zhatan the Black ZHATAN DA BRAAAAAJ! IDK where I got that from, I must be going schizo.
>>531224123you will also confuse one post with another it seems
>>531224389I think i need an eye test...
>Siege rework
Alright, how do we deal with ghosts?
Let them walk through walls with a -75% speed for the duration? Just keep the ghost ladders?
>>531224743I think all ghosts have barrier? have them be able to walk through the wall but at the cost of all their barrier or make them winded/exhausted
>>531224743ghosts are shit so they should be able to pass right through walls if anything, no penalty
but if that were to happen some retard would sperg out over the fact that they can't start passing through everything else too
>531186289
>An independent, unbiased, bipartisan investigation by our grail knights has determined that the death of Woodland lord Jefril Epstillion of the Torgovann realms was in fact a suicide.
>There was no sons/daughters of Bretonnia client list. Any circulating copies are Druchii forgeries
>The Fay Enchantress remains locked in her tower. However, many are rumoring a possible executive pardon from King Louen Leoncoeur
>>531216147Don't the Rome towers always stay on thw defenders side, juat off or on? I thought swapping sides was medieval 2
Or maybe the other way around
>>531224025Thereยดs the Vampire Counts necromancer lord, a ltieral who, canยดt even remember his name
>>531222698>>531223963Units need to pass through small stairway towers in newer installations (Pharaoh) and thereยดs no gate bug there, so both issues should be fixable now that we have Sofia handling the updates.
>>531220085>>531219940She would be a perfect Tzeentch LL to be honest.
I keep telling my computer not to update but then it updates anyway when I am not looking.
Legendary Lords for this feeling?
>>531225881>Player makes a near 100% ghost army>Completely ignores the walls and just rampages inside.Probably won't work against proper armies but normal garrisons will get fucking rolled.
>>531220370what are ass ladders? Are they just ladders that you can place no matter what? Ive only played TW games with ass ladders (Empire, Shogun 2, TWWH, napoleon) so i cant tell what is meant.
>>531228763it's when every single unit can climb walls without equipment, they just magically pull out ropes or ladders and climb walls
in other games walls are a serious obstacle and you need to actually build ladders/siege towers to get over walls
>Endturn
>Enemy AI opens diplo screen for peace
>Camera fucking flies off to moon
>I decline their peace offer
>While camera resets one of their army just fucking dissapears
Fucking AI made sure i could not see where it set up the ambush using the diplo screen.
>>531230131>You want schemes? I got schemes!
>>531230131outplayed, outskilled, another win for the demiurge
>>531226206It's the other way around. The worst change of the transition from rome to medieval 2. You can have the walls totally under your control, but the towers keep shooting you in the back because there's a defender stuck on a building up the road.
>army building in mp:
>I'm playing empire vs dwarves. my state troops are hard countered by blasting charges so I'm going to use hochlands to out range his shooting and knights of the black rose to counter his melee push. I'll keep the sunmaker in reserve until his cannons are shut down and a burning head wizard in case he goes mass slayers.
>army building in campaign:
>I put cheat points into my lord's cheatline skills so I'm only going to recruit cheat units so they can outcheat the ai's cheats with their powerful stat cheats.
>rework isn't even in yet
>Countchads already dominating
Kneel, breathers.
>>531231705>the gameplay mechanics that come base in the single-player campaign are cheatswhy are they cheats and why do you care if you play a different game-mode?
>>531231705>He thinks there is actual strategic thinking in wh3 mp
dee
md5: e0a8cc814f693a8df2709501224418d3
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>cuckpaign """mechanics"""
>>531232195YES my bull centaurs will have melee regen
YES my infantry will have frenzy and glittering scales
YES my daemon constructs will be unbreakable and have devastating flanker
YES my arty will have 20% PR
YES my blunderbusses will have more ammo and 20% more dmg if about 80% ammo
Go cry to Enticity about it
>>531222698if you make sieges into a minigame focused around defeating defenses with siege equipment everyone will just bitch that they can't take walled settlements in one turn and it's ruining their campaigns. also I'm starting to suspect that half of the people complaining about ladders just want to be able to cheese sieges by sniping the ladders with magic.
>>531232579You forgot magic weapons for bussies.
>>531232579>physical resistance
>>531233145>also I'm starting to suspect that half of the people complaining about ladders just want to be able to cheese sieges by sniping the ladders with magic.Or maybe they want to force the attacker into having a greater numerical advantage if they want to succeed, thus giving walled settlements their purpose
>>531229041this isn't really being honest. sieges in medieval 2 were way less favored for the defender than in empire even though empire had ninja climbing for everyone. a unit of matchlock ashigaru defending a wall in shogun 2 could hold off like 4x its value in attackers. there are way more important factors in sieges than whether you have to build ladders or not.
>>531224025That Vampire Coast guy, the face of the faction
First name starts with L or something, don't quite remember his name cause he's never really brought up here
>>531220370Uh, they're not ladders, they're grappling hooks in 3 kingdoms because the Chinese didn't build walls at 90 degree angles.
>>531234175ladder sniping means that numerical advantage doesn't matter because the greater numbers are useless if they can't get over the walls.
>>531234476Lokhir is a Dark Elf anon
Good things come to those who wait.
>>531234617Not that anon, but thats something you should be able to fix with simple numbers
>You can build 1 tower, 2 rams or 4 ladders per turnNow thereยดs benefit to ladders, but also a tradeoff (tired units and no defense when bringing them to wall). In 2 turns you can build 8: if the defender can bring 8 units simultaneously down before they reach the walls, he wouldnt struggle with the rest of the army either. And large entities can still break down the gates.
>>531230131I turn off the end turn camera to make the game go faster and because seeing the computer's movements is cheating
>>531214773>Go play dorfs>Move the capital with cheats to Brass Keep>Enjoy kino fights with Empire, Norsca and Vampires with zero cancer abilities
>>531235273ladders are literally a non-issue if you fix other mechanics. defensive towers should be powerful like empire. units defending walls should completely fuck ones trying to climb. if siege mechanics worked like they should running your infantry up to a defended wall and trying to climb should be the absolute least effective thing you can do and only viable if you outnumber the defenders to the point where you can be attacking a wall with no towers and no defenders, and at that point what does it matter if you have to build the ladder or not?
>>531220370Ladders should be free.
Honestly, I think community complaints like "ass ladders" are what ruined sieges in TW3. I pray CA doesn't watch any of that shit.
Wasting a turn on sieges just to build ladders for Muh Realism would just make the game worse.
>ooooh but where do the ladders come from, their asses?There's a guy in your army with the attribute "siege attacker". he has the ladders. End of story. Of if you don't, they build them during the turn you wasted.
The "community" asking for 360 sieges are what brought us the huge and bad siege maps of TW3.
Ladders should stay free. Don't waste my time.
Units should keep being able to walk on walls from the inside. Don't waste my time, don't turn it into a traffic jam.
Fix the Gate bug.
I'd rather they increased garrisons and deleted towers, I'd like a fair fight on the walls, not tower defense.
>>531237671dogshit opinion only a warhammer babby could hold
There is just too much major settlements on the camopaign map and AI is too pussy to face you on the field most of the time. So you almost always the attacker in sieges. Thats the problem and that problem would be 10 times worse if they buff the garrisons.
>>531237791hes right tho
Where does anything in your army come from? Who is carrying the food and arrows? How are they maintaining their weapons and armor? So much shit is abstracted to begin with who the fuck cares about some ladders?
>>531237671Everybody hates assladders because they partially invalidate the point of walls. If the entire enemy melee force can get up on the walls at once at any place on the walls it becomes a game of who has the better melee troops. The fatigue cost helps a little bit but the factions who are playing defense in sieges are mostly ranged-based armies so when 8 Khorne chosen hop the walls they get fucked.
>>531239426explain how this was possible in a game with "ass ladders" then
>>531237671>>531239426Obviously the solution is that the player should have ladders and the AI shouldn't have ladders.
>b-but that's not fair game design!Lol. I can just break my computer any time I so choose and win that way, forever. The computer is completely at my mercy. It's not even a living being, just a stupid fucking machine. I have all the power. There is no such thing as fair.
>>531239293i care about abstractions when they make the gameplay dogshit like assladders do. walls are basically useless in warhammer which is not the case with any other tw game even the ones that also have pseudo assladders like shogun 2. because unlike warhammer those sieges were designed by good designers who knew how to make them not suck. only warhammer has all these issues, other tw games have 360 sieges that are fun and aren't a chore to play.
Are there any lord types/races with generic lords that can at least come close to matching a fully leveled LL, bar a dedicated caster one? Doesn't even have to be one of the most broken LL's. Maybe Bretonnian Lords? Never really came to mind until recently when a threshold was hit where there's basically a LL from every direction so you're bound to have a generic versus them eventually, and it feels like a total slog.
>>531240316>has to post from a different game
>>531240316Because the AI is fucking retarded sometimes. Here's a battle in WH2 where the AI could've used their second army to board other sections of the wall and overwhelm me but it instead decided to funnel all of their troops through the same corridor. The WH3 AI is better at spreading out troops though.
>>531240725Isn't this a much better way to use a wall IRL than standing on top of it?
>>531240316because without destroying the wall that your troops are climbing they quickly become exhausted (much more important in shogun 2), many of them will fall off the wall and kill most of the unit, and the climbing is so slow that the defender has ample time to counter it by placing range units strategically which will nearly always break most units before they even reach the top. castles are also layered the more that you upgrade them so the ai has to do this several times. shogun 2 might as well be the poster for assladders that don't completely suck
>>531240520I mean all generic elven lords are OP as fuck especially the caster ones. Same with mortal chaos lords, generic vampire lord scales well into lategame as well.
>>531241000If the opponent
>didn't bring artillery to knock walls down>didn't build battering rams to knock gates down>is retarded enough to funnel their entire force into your rimworld-tier killbox from one directionthen yes
>>531240520Saurus lords as Last Defenders can easily get over 1k weapon strength, and slann and kroxigor ancients are both very strong as well
Most races have good lords though, especially now that we have stronger items
>>531240520You can load dwarf generic lords with roons and they become killing machines
>>531241320Even in the Napoleonic era, using artillery to blast open the entire side of a city wall wasn't something that happened. If you make a breech, you have to go through it and into the town where you can't just demolish the buildings. The defender then has the liberty to use the walls to funnel you along their routes.
It would be pointless to set all your regiments on the walls because it would be equally pointless for the enemy to try to mass climb them.
I really just don't think sieges mesh well with Warhammer. You could design a swiss cheese fort for Dwarfs and I'd still not play it offensively because most of that time is gonna be spent chewing through every last armored manlet. Removing ass ladders would help but if you have the mod for it you can see they still kind of suck even with the best community maps. So many factions' exploitable weaknesses like slow movement and weak morale go out the door and it's really just a series of corridors to rush down the VP, which if you're defending you MUST defend with everything because a single flying hero getting on it means game over. I think the problems are mitigated by like 3 VP's and wider corridors but I still don't see them ever being enjoyable as the attacker. I think perhaps the best way you could do it would be some sort of city destruction/bodies in the walls method of penalizing morale for defenders so that they're encouraged to proactively defend every inch of the city and stem the tide like an actual siege as opposed to letting the enemy run amok up until the end and then fighting, but I still don't think it'd be anything I'd play unless necessary or every once in a blue moon
>>531240725I was being attacked from 3 different directions in that battle. I thought I was going to lose for sure and was surprised when I won.
>because without destroying the wall that your troops are climbing they quickly become exhausted (much more important in shogun 2), many of them will fall off the wall and kill most of the unit, and the climbing is so slow that the defender has ample time to counter it by placing range units strategically which will nearly always break most units before they even reach the top.ok now explain why they can't do this in soihammer. literally just make it so climbing is slower and units on ladders have 0 md and lose any missile block chance and climbing becomes way less effective.
>>531240316Shogun II sieges had multiple "tiers" of walls, with redoubts for defenders that had firing zones over the next stage of walls. Warhammer walls have ridiculously strong towers and 0 redoubts once the wall is climbed by the enemy's T3 infantry with assladders.
>>531237671How about we give generals a siege trait that lets them pre-build a some ladders / a tower or 2 with trait investment, or, alternatively, how about your giant fucking troll can just whack through a wall because it's a 50 ft tall troll
>>531240520Ogre Tyrants, all dragon mounted characters, master engineer on steam tank, Nurgle and Tzeentch Chaos Lords, Celestial General on the lion,Tomb King on warsphinx, Exalted Bloodthirster and I'm gonna say Skaven Warlord on a Brood Horror because of regeneration.
Tides of Torment:
Dechala (Slaanesh)
Sayl (Norsca)
Aislinn (High Elves)
The Masque (FLC Slaanesh)
December showcase FLC:
Egrimm van Horstmann (FLC Tzeentch)
Standalone Neferata DLC:
Neferata (Vampire Counts)
The Red Duke (FLC Vampire Counts)
Standalone Li Dao DLC:
Li Dao (Cathay)
Yin Yin (FLC Cathay)
The End of Times:
Nagash (Undead Legion)
Valten (Empire)
Thanquol (Skaven)
Glottkin (Nurgle)
Monkey King (Cathay)
Boris Todbringer (FLC Empire)
>>531243273>December showcase FLC:>Egrimm van Horstmann (FLC Tzeentch)Honestly? Seeing as CA announced the delay with the promise of buttering us up with the amount of content of the final product, I could see them going the extra mile and releasing Egrimm as a SECOND FLC in the very same patch.
A bit too optimistic, perhaps, but I'd say the devs are worried enough to try and appease the playerbase like this.
Sands of Suffering
Winds of War
Clouds of Catastrophe
Mountains of Madness
Plains of Pain
Lakes of Loss
Rivers of Revenge
Forests of Fear
>>531240316Well first because climbing walls in Shogun 2 is actually something that affects fatigue much harder, causes casualties in the unit from soldiers falling to their deaths, and they still get shot while climbing the ladders. Second, because the walls give directly to open ground, you don't climb it and still find yourself "locked in". That means as the defender you can set up formations to greet them on top of them, the enemy climbing the walls is ironically less of an issue. And for last, because sieges in Shogun 2 are multilayered, there's usually more than one level and you can set up overlapping fields of fire as well as defensive lines covered by direct vision fire.
In Warhammer, you've got one single line of defence and it can potentially be more of a boon for the enemy than for you.
>>531243081Unfortunately since Throgg came and unionized them using trolls to smash into blunt objects is basically forbidden. Even though they receive extra hazard pay on top of higher base pay (800/16=50 CGD[Chaos God Dollars] contractual base, 200 per turn/16=12.5 CGD base pay. Chosen make 3.9 CGD starting, btw) most trolls will refuse to smash walls citing potential harm or stall discussions using union reps until the siege is over because the defender starved. It's a sad state of affairs, but since Throgg controls the labor supply and will picket anyone who employs non-union Trolls the entire Norscan economy is held captive by them
>>531244171>Well first because climbing walls in Shogun 2 is actually something that affects fatigue much harder, causes casualties in the unit from soldiers falling to their deaths, and they still get shot while climbing the ladders.why can't you do this in soihammer?
> Second, because the walls give directly to open ground, you don't climb it and still find yourself "locked in". That means as the defender you can set up formations to greet them on top of them, the enemy climbing the walls is ironically less of an issue. didn't matter in my example because I had zero melee infantry. you can just put your first line of shooters on the walls and your second line on the ground inside the walls and it would have the same effect.
how could mannlet think that nagash was weak
is he stupid?
>>531245157>you can just put your first line of shooters on the walls and your second line on the ground inside the walls...yes anon that's what we in the business of vnderstanding call a formation. "Formation" is not just the funny "stat goes up" button CA sometimes adds to units.
total wawr is a good game becaue I SAID SO OK
A reminder that CA owes us two FLC lords for Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs and Shadows of Change.
We do not forget... but we may eventually forgive.
>>531245451ok but being on the wall of level with the ground doesn't matter when you only have gunmanii. actually being up on the walls is better because then you can have two rows of guns shooting them without obstructing each other.
>>531246129*3 FLC lords because the chaos dwarfs dlc was only 3 lords
>>531246458YES, anon, that is why I said Shogun 2 walls are an actual advantage. Putting gunners on the walls in Warhammer is just suiciding your gunners, which is fucking stupid. That's why Shogun 2 having ass ladders is not as big of a dealbreaker as they are in Warhammer.
>>531243885Grims of grave
In the grim darkness of the near future there is only RAPE
>>531247593Ahem, actually CHUD that is non canon!
Just like how GW wokt even mention Araby in their new material, they will acknowledge nasty, fimir stuff :)
I like the path blockers in sieges
What I absolutely hate is placement towers (stupid ass idea) and how fragile the blockers are, they should have a shitload of armor at the very least
>>531247775This dude should have been a unique lord that you can unlock through new Kislev mechanic. That model + only says kislev + a unique trait that gives relations with empire and buffs units when fighting against chaos.
when are we getting war wagons (kossar pistols) for kislev?
>>531248785when do we get anonymous (high-quality posts) for /twg/?
Not having armour or artillery hurts. Or even any mounted/fast units.
>>531249053we already have that
>>531249232Unusually based build for this general
>>531249053That would be too OP.
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what's the recommended Thrones of Britannia overhaul
Shieldwall, yeah? Or is Radious actually good for this?
>>531249446that guy has been playing the same army for at least 3 years that I know of, so maybe longer, you are witnessing insanity and the deterioration of the human mind into mush. do not encourage him further
>>531249446Still very early on (turn 9). I'm recruiting more pistol militia and will eventually swap out the melee militia for some Ogres. No heroes (they're all undead); going for a living-only run. I guess I'll also ally with somebody like Franz for some cavalry, even if just pistoleers to keep the theme.
>>531249615I'm not that guy, the one who renames his army to some weird shit (I forgot what it was now). I posted about the Sartosa mods with some other anon last thread I think it was.
>>531249232now fight that battle again without cheats
>>531246759no you aren't understanding. there's no fundamental difference between left and right here.
>>531250205Are those ninjas or monks or turtles or badly done asian eyes on the right
>>531243273No way we're getting all that, there's two more DLCs including ToT, tops
>>531243789>pre-Hyenas>>5312466624 since Chorfs was more expensive
>>531250362Little single-lord DLCs change that. We probably aren't getting more than 2 big DLCs but we could definitely get a few smaller ones.
>>531249053Long gone since Atilla aka last historical Title
A little fun fact for all of you: CA have actually been thinking about character-only DLCs since before the release of Thrones of Decay. They even prompted content creators to talk to their audiences about the idea of having a character-only DLC.
>>531250803thanks for keeping us informed Clio
>>531249708Found it.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/%22tomboy%20mafia%22/
>>531249601Shieldwall is unfinished probably Radious is better.
Game is so bland and boring Mods canยดt help it
>>531243273hounds of conflict sisters...?
>>531250205there is a major fundamental difference you left out on the right, the layering of the castles and units falling down constantly. you are being completely disingenuous, even high tier units can be crushed and routed before they get up the wall in shogun 2, while a stack of chosenmanii just make your walls useless
>>531251509why is their a strange gap and red dots above the image in your post
>>531252220dunno probably from croping
>>531252651>wasting disk size with Pharaoh
>>531253102it's not a waste when it's a good and fun game, i have quite a few hours in it. it's on part with 3k in terms of great campaign mechanics
>>531249232That's why I feel it's better to lean in to the melee rush. Pistols are only worth it in a few match ups, namely beastmen, ogres, demons, and counts. Otherwise swords all day with as few maneaters if you can afford them.
>>531249615You called? .
>>531253809I'm waiting for the 1v4 0 casualties battle
>>531254126>I'm waiting for the 1 LL 19 heroes battle
>DRIVE THEM INTO THE RIVER
>>531252048>the layering of the castlesfundamentally no different from having multiple rings of walls like in medieval 2
>units falling down constantlyand what's stopping this from being in soihammer? they could even port lethality in from pharaoh and make it so if a unit is climbing and takes damage there's a certain chance for it to instantly die. the point is that this obsession with ladders is some r*ddit fixation and the problems with sieges have nothing to do with ladders and everything to do with the actual number mechanics of defenses.
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>>531253809when enticity did this autism he made like half pistols
Imagine starting the campaign as a continent-spanning empire and your primary objective isn't to expand and conquer but to consolidate and survive.
>>531255583Barbarian Invasion/Attila moment
>>531254126Would you settle for the exact opposite?
>>531255583That exists, its called the Western Roman Empire in Attila or playing as the emperor in the 3K scenario Mandate of Heaven
>>531193028I don't want 40gay and I don't want 40faggots in these threads
>>531255738it's fine they can make their own general if that happens
>>531255682yes but only because that is such a bad matchup
I want 40KINO and 40KINOKINGS in these threads
>>531255738You can't say that, you'll make the old men shit their daipers
>>531255889Over faster than I thought
>>531193572A mechanic about reclaiming Elf Colonies would be cool as fuck. Also, why the fuck is Cathay under Khuresh in this picture?
>>531255997Now that you mention it I remember Eternal Crusade threads. Those guys were hyped up and down about a game that didn't exist and had all sorts of dreams and near generals for it, the poor souls. That could never happen here
Am I supposed to use wagons/ranged chariots as ranged or melee?
Their ranged output is laghably bad
>>531257258>Also, why the fuck is Cathay under Khuresh in this picture?Old pic made way back when Cathay was an afterthought and people didn't care much about keeping its lore consistent. In recent years they made it so that it's an in-universe map about High elf colonies, with people calling it's accuracy into question precisely because of such a blatant fuck-up. One Jacob Stackeldhorf.
Am I shit at the game, or are ranged lords/heroes kinda bad?
You usually don't want lords away from the frontline tanking hits, unless they are actively buffing your backline
>>531249601just get the minor settlement garrisons mod
base game is fun enough without needing autistic mods imo
>>531257258>A mechanic about reclaiming Elf ColoniesThat's for the MALEKITH, TRVE HEIR OF AENARION, you assur faggot.
>>531257535Range attack melee units to soften them up
Melee ranged units to stop them from firing.
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>>531251509fun series
like it very much :D
>>531257802Post colonies, drucuck.
>>531257802no dick because it burned off and no dlc
>>531257691they are generally bad but there is one faggot in this general who will fight you to the death like a rabid beast, telling you they are good and even op
>>531257802In all honesty, I unironically believe that Malekith should get a special mechanic where if he takes the entire donut and wipes out the main Helf factions his faction changes to a weird hybrid between Dark Elves and High Elves, letting him recruit units from both factions but making him an enemy of all other Dark Elves.
>>531258486>straps a big ass shield to his back>makes the rest of Europe seethe and copeMilanese Crossbowmen, my beloved.
>>531258446I'm not opposed to the idea but there wouldn't be any Dark Elf factions left besides maybe Malus and a single province Lokhir by the time that happens, and it might not even be him vs all Helves and instead just Tyrion since he blobs instantly if N'kari doesn't buckbreak him
>>531258446that would be a little too railroady but they could do something simpler, like give him a way to force vassalate other elf races, and increase the army cap for allied units
at least something to represent uniting the elves
>>531258684*gets hit in the front*
nice shield
>>531258728>there wouldn't be any Dark Elf factions left besides maybe Malus and a single province Lokhir by the time that happensGood point. Though Morathi always seems to infest a good chunk of the map whenever I play. Maybe instead it would be like a personal end game event in which a shit ton of Dark Elf armies spawn and immediately attack just (you).
>>531258738>but they could do something simpler, like give him a way to force vassalate other elf races, and increase the army cap for allied unitsThat would be pretty cool, and way more plausible.
>>531258486What a trustworthy fellow, if I ally with him I can secure one of my borders to concentrate on an enemy elsewhere.
Why this pike kislev unit from the DLC is so fucking cost effective?
Jesus christ I swear I can throw them at retarded shit like khorne berzerkers and they will survive the battle
>>531258486https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l80_R2HvXIU
>>531259157Yep, retarded unit for an even more retarded faction. I still remember this general and forums for TW3 when they first came out.
>>531259157T1 good stats with AP as a base with standard unit size and By Our Blood. The only thing holding Kislev back from being bar none the most annoying faction in the game(instead they just give Skaven a run for their money) is that the faction is a bunch of hybrids, you can see with stuff like Hyena Ambushers and Things From The Woods that when they don't bother making them do two things at once they do the one thing they can far above the point of reason
>>531259157Because it takes infinity turns to start getting fun units and you need something to carry you with your destitute economy
kislev needs strong units with all the shit they go up against in campaign, the only ones complaining about a t1 unit are mpniggers
>mfw watching multiple full units of shades get sent to the shadow realm when cholesterol summons questing knights (immune to physical attacks) behind my line
I'm so lucky this asshole never built an infantry barracks
>>531257258Every faction should get a special bonus for taking all of their ancestral land. Reuniting the Caliphate in the Araby mod was one of my favorite campaigns in WH2.
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AAAAAAAAAAAA JUST LET ME RECRUIT THE FUCKING UNITS
>>531247593Based and Fimirpilled.
>>531257802you will never be a real Phoenix king. You have no remaining LLs. You have no upcoming DLCs. You have no more reworks. You are a twisted perversion of Asuryan perfection. Your war council is nice to your face, but everyone goes to have sex parties with your mom in Ghrond and mocks you behind your back.
>>531259157>He doesn't know about the chad peasantmani
>>531260945>peasantmani (a lot of gunpowder)
Slaaneshmanii how we doing? I don't care about any other part of the DLC but the Slaanesh updates, I just want more fast moving rape engines and a start that isn't Azazel's and especially isn't N'kari's
>>531260945I can't tell if they meant fearsome or purposely chose the weirder way to say it
>>531261336Built for vore
>>531261336i played a slaanesh campaign drugged out of my mind on painkillers when wh3 first came out, it was a very enjoyable experience but i haven't been able to really get into them since other than a short sigvald campaign
a couple more months to wait is nothing
>>531261529'fierce' is a word too.
>>531261336CA has to know that the people want to see more snakes, so why the fuck are they refusing to make a Khuresh faction?
I want my South East Asian vampire sneks and I want them now.
>>531257535a war wagon that stays online for the entire battle will do more damage than a handgun that gets 2 volleys off and then gets shut down by a bat or a squig or something.
So, TK confederations. Yay or Nay? I feel like Settra being able to confed Khalida and Khatep would make those two even more irrelevant (unless they get unique mechanics ofc).
Khalida probably going to be able to hire G&F and some Cathay relations, but i have no idea what would Khatep unique. Arkhan will wait his daddy to be relevant i guess.
Amusing (and a little sad) watching the damage dealt to Dawi with pistols. Each shot is single digit damage.
>>531262626if they do confederations the normal way or not i couldn't care less because i don't confederate unless there's a faction mechanic tied to it (which they should not have nay)
arkhan should get liche priests with the lore of vampires
>>531192786 (OP)Most underrated TWW3 legendary lord?
INCOMPLETE PEACE: PEACESCREWDRIVER -3: GUTTERS OF GROWTH
>>531262626I only support it because only having your LL and one single generic lord option is miserable
>>531262626Nay, they all hate each other, heres how you make them unique
>ArkhanTK vanilla campaign but with vampiric corruption, Arkhan the Black will have the ability to confederate Mannfred and Neferata (future) and summon warhosts of undead due to his connection with Nagash
>KhatepTK vanilla campaign but now Khatep is able to use his grand liche powers to turn any terrain into a desert, will have scrolls as currency that will let him have certain types of buffs regarding his land, combat buffs or magic
>KhalidaTK vanilla campaign but she has great diplomacy with the ordertide, she gets special trade options that gives her access to units from other factions as mercenaries (seperate from allied recruitment), Gotrek and Felix can join her and her campaign is in direct opposition of Neferata
>SettraA mixture of Chao campaign mixed with TK, Settra is now a horde army and he can only settle in settlements of Nehekara, as a tradeoff Nehekara settlements dont follow the average rules and can all be upgraded to T5, he will get constant missions to defend his lands from Norscan/Chaos warbands that routinely respawn
>>531263263and what's the reason you weren't using them to shoot the slayers (unarmored)?
alright, i have a quiz for you, anons
You're playing as Red and fighting Purple, and are advancing on their capital with a 3/4 strength army; you had previously advanced to bridge in hopes of getting a chokepoint battle, but your enemy Entrenched at 1/2 strength instead of attacking. That means you must strike before they get an advantage in numbers of your army!
Now, when you march your army against them, who now are at 3/4 strength. What will they do?
A: retreat towards the coast, one distance away from your army, so you have to spend two turns trying to engage them?
B: retreat back to their city, where they can link up with their garrison and get more soliders?
C: enter the nearby woods and go into ambush stance?
D: enter the hilly area and use its defensive bonuses to Entrench again?
E: stand and fight
>>531261661Which painkillers? I was on Lyrica for a while, and I had no idea how intoxicated that medication actually makes you. Its prescribed as a "nerve blocker" but it's basically alcohol in a pill
>>531265757Wait, but Im red, why are you giving me options on what purple can do instead?
>>531266284you have to anticipate your enemy to win, family! What will AI do when you're trying to attack with an equal sized army?
>If only you knew how bad things really are
>>531265930it was some kind of oxy i don't remember what but i had it prescribed at the time and it was nice
>>531260945I remember in my last Cathay campaign that endgame peasants with all of the tech unlocked have something like 60 armour and 50md, ward save and 90% spell resistance lel
>>531265757Isn't this the start of a Teclis campaign?
>>531266442squishy sexy tum-tum makes me want to lick and nuzzle and squeeze and squish and caress her soft and tender midsection and navel
good shape too, you know she takes care of herself
uuuuuuuooooohhh
>>531266442The Supreme Sorc's neuron activation belly
>>531265757that's right! It was F, Purple retreats back towards your town and now has the free ability to attack it the next turn
meanwhile, they've started raising a whole new army in their capital so you can do this same song and dance all over again
but i also had A-D happen to me in the past 10 turns
any other mods that change the map like old world?
>>531265757split my army into 3 with 2 ready to make an invasion on each purple city by sea while the third baits the defending army away. once the enemy loses all of its cities the faction will be eliminated and the main army will turn into a rogue army that's easily dealt with. I used this exact strategy in that general geography even to defeat shimazu in shogun 2.
>>531267871immortal empires expanded + lccp
>blink
>my elemental bear is dead
I hate SEM
>>531266556Oh, I read that wrong, I see! Well, it depends on the difficulty and the game's AI, doesn't it? Using Warhammer as a reference, most likely options would be B and D? A would not happen unless they decided to move closer and retreated and that doesnt count, E is unlikely if your army has a positive AR victory and since you have 3/4 strength and theyre at 1/2 they probably wont take that outcome unless there is a hidden army I spotted on the turn before. Although C is possible I dont think the AI that ambushes ever moves far from where it currently is, those trees seem out of the way theyd usually ambush in the fastest path. Now to narrow it further, from what I have seen in most campaigns, D is an option depending on if the defensive bonuses they get leads to a less favorable AR victory, namely a pyrrhic victory where you lose multiple units but the actions Ive seen more often than not with setting up bait armies is B, so my final answer is B!
>>531261336Suffering, I've wanted a Slaanesh DLC since 2022 and am beyond furious that almost 3.5 years after launch we still don't fucking have it. Holy fucking god I'm just waiting for the announcement that Tides has been delayed until January 2026 so I can fly to Horsham and firebomb their offices.
Shitty blog even saying that what they showed us before might not even be accurate anymore, JFC what a fucking mess 2025 has been for this game.
>>531265757Numbers are mostly meaningless to me, equal footing means I'm heavily outnumbered, I delete 2 units from my army and press next turn button, since AI think like you it attack me and lose, turn process and I'm almost at the city I will take the next turn.
>>531268518A friend and a crossposter that uses this general too who accidentally posted the wrong picture while replying to someone else
>>531269052No, he's on the backfoot. After ten turns of peace he'll attack you again with four full armies of chaosmanii.
Finish him.
>>531269052Might not be a bad idea to take the deal and then finish off Arbaallsack before declaring war on Archaon again
>>531269052If I've learned anything from total war it's that you never let an enemy live or they'll just fuck you in the ass later
>>531269052*waits until you're in a war on the other side of your country and invades with 5 stacks* uwu
>>531269052Take the peace deal, start gifting him regions so that he allies with you, build an outpost in his main base, start recruiting Chosen in all of your armies.
>>531269430I don't think Ursun would approve of such a thing.
>>531269618nobody gives a fuck about Ursun, Chosen are cool
>>531269170>>531269196Warriors of Chaos can replenish their forces almost instantly, as these anons said, Archaon is on the defensive now, if you allow him breathing room he will have a shit ton of stacks coming for you even if you take the peace treaty solely to finish off Arbaal like
>>531269182 said but you should hopefully be able to whittle away at Arbaal, eventually finishing that sissy off while keeping a defense force on your coast just in case Archaon tries to land there
>>531266903Yeah, the darkshart looks like he works out for sure.
>>531269170>>531269182>>531269196>>531269395>>531269430I had to peace te fucker out, daniel declared war on me in an undefended front
>>53126644210/10, would enslave this druchii sorceress in an Altdorf dungeon, plaster dispell scrolls all around her while wielding the Silver Seal and turning her from a murder crazy druchii into my personal cock crazy breeding sow
>>531270459A Kislev man's struggle.
>>531270497I would keep her as a teacher in my royal court, teaching the young boys about safe sex
>>531265757In Rome 2 or Attila? Purple attacks.
In Shogun 2 or Warhammer? Purple runs back to its capital, where, next turn, you see it has 3 full stacks, 2 of chaff and 1 of endgame units. On turn 20.
>>531262259>CA has to know that the people want to see more snakes/twg/ yearns for Tehenhauin gaming
>>531270459>DanielThe only time hes felt like a legit threat was when I played a recent Boris VH/VH campaign, fucker would declare war on me while im trying to finish Tamurkhan off, thankfully AR meant I just needed an Ice Witch Lord, a few Kossars and AR would give me favorable results dealing with him, he was some nice free exp, it was just annoying to constantly need a new set of Kossars ready as well as some on the very first province you get with Boris. After Tamurkhan went down I was free to return to my capital and destroy him pretty easily
>>531270957Oh and also his trait was useless in my campaign because by the time I returned to Kislev proper, Katarin was down to 1 settlement (and it wasnt even Kislev proper) while Kostaltyn had been wiped out and the rats/Azazel had moved in. What followed was an annoying war with ratstacks
has anyone tried to have a fun meme campaign where you play as a Chaos faction, farm Daniels shit trait with multiple Lords, then become friends with Kislev due to owning 6 lords with that trait and going into positive relations with them?
>>531270957>>531271178Why his armies are so shit?
I just repelled one of his stacks with an attaman and a boyar + t3 garrison, no yellow buildings
wtf
>>531271434no, the closest thing to that I've done is joining Kislev as Isabella in the war against chaos and recruiting 4 little groms in every army
have you?
>>531271693He needs to actually commit to one of the gods or he gets jack shit, and AI Danny is too busy getting gangbanged by Malus/Epidemius/Malakai to get the ball rolling
>>531271693I think its his AR which is atrocious and brings the rest of the army down but also his starting army is dogshit
>flying unit but has no magic or armor>shit tier stats even with good body pieces>has 0 lineholders because all his units are squishy>he cant even stay in sustained combat due to his shit base statsIts such a shitshow of a campaign, my respect to the autists that have decided to learn and enjoy him but their idea of fun sounds like torture
>>531271861The most fun meme thing I did was become friends with Alith Anar and Alarielle as Grombrindal. Alith Anar almost died to the combined forces of Clyostra, Taurox and Hellebron so I swooped in, saved him and gifted him territories for money while we fought off the annoying obese woman. Eventually Alarielle decided to join us which I had no idea id even met her and the first thing she did was offer me a couple thousand in gold and a trade agreement.
>>531272567unconventional alliances are a lot easier to do now with minor faction potential, it's a lot of fun to mess around with allies now
>>531273026tretch is op from turn 1 because he gives devastating flanker to his entire army, and starts out with some of the skaven's best flanking units. The bonuses to scurry away and lvl 9 infantry are good too
I just wish he could give more lords in his faction devastating flanker, it feels depressing using other lords in his faction
Daniel will never get fixed will he?
>>531273923No because Belakor exists
>>531273812yeah devastating flanker wolf rats are fucking retarded, it's great
>>531273923Holding on to the delusion that they're just waiting for all the chaos DLC/end times before touching him
Managing all that shit must be a real pain when it just gets changed every patch
I don't think he ever got the changes to Khorne's bloodletting so dedicating yourself to him just penalizes you if you can't get enough momentum
>>531274484Theres a higher chance that VCoast will get a rework than Daniel
>>531274703If CA so much as blinks at VCoast, GW will create a liveleak video to remind the world you must buy the LOOISENNNSSEE
>>531237671>Don't waste my time>Don't waste my timesee this is the actual problem with the game and the fact that you waste 1 turn building siege weapons is unacceptable because of the horrible campaign layer being all about snowballing and in general being completely braindead
>bad start position
>bad starting army comp
>sandwiched between multiple strong LLs
>awful gold income
>stats so bad he loses to Greasus in a 1v1
CA intentionally going out of their way to make Daniel shit is based desu
>Start playing pharaoh
>Try to use the court system
>Cannot use court actions because there is supposedly a "dilemma"
>Basically unable to do anything with the court
>Look up the issue
>Apparently it's a bug where the advisor popping up is considered a dilemma, and the dilemma doesn't go away when he is dismissed
>This bug has been complained about since fucking september
Fix this fucking game you lazy British/Balkan cunts.
>Captcha:NTRGY
>>531251306too bad, I'm on a Scottish history binge but I already played as Circenn so I'm doing Strathcylde
>>531275432Shit factions get shit start pos
see teclis
>>531275872Theyre going to give Teclis something similar to what Gelt got with his mage college mechanics, its probably gonna end up being overtuned too
>>531275104that doesn't change the fact that the game is designed like this, they gave every ll siege attacker for a reason. If everyone is besieging all the time the only viable strategy is to stack armies because the ai is doing it, it got really tedious in wh2 fighting several 4v4 battles every turn
and he's still right about the fact that ass ladders are still far from the worst issue with sieges, they have a lot of core mechanical issues which need to be addressed first
>net > shoot into ogre charge
Holy. And holey.
>>531265045These are actually some cool changes, but i think Khalida needs her skill tree to get better talents. Her awful faction buff needs to be changed to army wide instead of an aura too to at least make it passable.
Hate that ARing is sometimes the best option than fighting a battle manually it wiping out the entire enemy is a bit silly
>does this on the same turn I destroy his enemy (Repanse)
And some of you say the AI is predictable, or boring.
>>531224025Fact: Aranessa full name is Arnanessa Anja Saltspite.
>>531275104this is a player mindset problem. you don't have to play like a bald faggot. just play slow what's the worst that can happen?
>but the ai will snowball too hard because of cheatsso turn the fucking cheats off
>but then it will be too easyhow can it be both too easy but also too hard?
>>531277385This is why you spend your gold on your end turn so the enemy AI doesnt do that
>>531277385The AI has its moments
>>531275104Play on hard/normal man, you don't need to maximize every single turn you have in those difficulties
>>531270498Th... That's the joke
>>531278415no i need mods to make the game more difficult than legendary because the ai is useless at keeping me entertained for more than 20 turns
>>531275526Just disable the advisor like I do, I've never had that issue as a result apparently.
Are any of 3K DLCs any good?
>>531276216the siege battles dont feel like they mean anything its just the same grind to get it over with because the campaign layer is so shallow and the only "resource" that matters is time
taking the capital of an entire race feels the exact same as taking some literalwhoville on the outskirts of civilization and winning a siege gets you a settlement to build more money making buildings
you then proceed to siege the next settlement to get more money making buildings
>>531280036Mandate of Heaven is good if you want to play as the Yellow Turbans or the Emperor, A World Betrayed primarily for Lu Bu and Sun Ces campaigns, Furious Wilds for what is basically fantasy units in 3K and the other Yellow Turban stuff too. The rest is skippable.
>>531280036You're gonna need all of them for a lot of mods, even Eight Princes as dogshit as it is is often required for mods that backport some of its mechanics to the main game.
I think Greenskins are the most OP AI faction in the entire game woe is you if you fucking start near a major greenskin faction because they WILL have big uns, trolls, mangler squigs, night goblins, snotling pump wagons turn 5 with a 40 stack waaagh army
>>531281115Do any of them add anything to the default start without mods?
>>531283232I think some of the new units from those start dates are in the default start date, yeah, I don't think you get any playable factions in 190 from those DLCs though.
Total War is the only RTS where I don't use control groups. I just don't respect this game enough to do that. Sorry not sorry.
>>531283232cataphracts are from 8 princes but i dont even know if they were added to the base game for free or not since i bought some full edition years ago because it was cheaper than the version without 8 princes
>>531284190>clicking to select units
>>531284190I don't as well but not out of spite just can't be bothered
>>531284190>t dwarf player who stands still at 4x speed while he whacks it to interspecies elf x human sex
>>531281205Waaaghs should gain units from winning battles and raiding. Losing a battle should immediately disband the waaagh army.
I get stable 60 fps on every map, except when fighting certain Cathay maps where it drops to 30 fps. FIX YOUR GAME CA FFS!
>>531285174Wrong I play Empire and Kislev
Imagine being Karl Franz forma de Sigmar and marrying Katarin and killing everything in the world so you can repopulate Malleus with a new humanity together with your powerful totalitarian dictator ice wife.
>>531285921gpus fear the rice paddy
>>531285921The chinese eye can't see more than 30fps
>>531286638Tell me about it! That map with rice fileds is the worst!
>>531212945If anything, Azazel is on Morathi's island list.
>>531286721God damn I really want to play Cathay but low fps turns me off so hard.
Ok so it's not entirely true that provinces are all interchangeable is WH3. There are trade goods associated with each region, for what it's worth. From what I gathered from a quick google search these are mostly just semi-specific faction bonuses. My question is, what exactly is the relation between the quantities of the good you have at your disposal and the amount of upkeep they save you from the effected units, and more importantly, will the AI correctly identify and favor trade deals where you supply them with a relevant trade good for a unit of theirs?
>>531285921This has been an issue since launch btw (2022)
>>531277385>You threaten the AI for moneyYour reliability tanks and everyone hates you, even factions that are at war with threatened faction
>AI threatens you for moneyItยดs alright weยดll let this one slide :)
I hate every facet of the game being laden with AI cheats
>>531281205Use one of the few tricks to ensure you fight them so their waaagh reinforcement is void.
>>531284190>Auto-resolve hero doesn't use control groups
>>531287089Not just that, but see how we share an NAP, trade, and military access. And there was nothing in the negative list too (e.g. raiding would be a negative in the diplomacy influence). Weird game sometimes.
>>531286869>relevant trade good for unit of theirsThe resource building is just money with extra steps. Cant have complexity in the way of mashing cool dragons together. The buffs only affect the faction owning the resource IF they have unique version of the resource building (so for example Iron may give certain unit slightly higher armor or lower upkeep), but trading that resource in wont affect other faction in any way.
CHaos dwarfs ROC campaign or IE map. Which is better?
>>531287742RoC is actually not bad when you dont have to deal with portals, and the reward for following the objectives is fun
>>531287839ROC it is then!
>>531287604what? what the fuck is the point of goods being involved in trading then? Here I was thinking how neat it was that there was some reason to engage in friendly diplomacy and some use for trade agreements other than just annunscalable amount of income that isnrelevant only for the firat 20 turns... Seriously, why the fuck is it like that? That has to be intentional. All they had to do was enable the buffs if you have the resource from any source.
Are you trolling me?
>>531287941RoC also has more campaign mechanics than just "blob lmao". Definitely recommend it for Chaos Dwarves.
Also, swapping your starting base to Brass Keep in IE is peak fun.
we need to split between historical and fantasy /twg/ again
especially with the influx of 40Kiddies
>>53128817040K is historical and there won't be a need to split because fantasy posters won't be able to get a post in past all the Space Marine posters.
>>531288354>40K is historicaljust stop
>>531287959Nope, not trolling. Youยดre expecting depth in a game where campaign is basically "growth money walls". Warhammerยดs campaign map is extremely shallow.
>>531288436pharaoh chads stay winning
>>531288396It's just history that hasn't happened yet.
Imperial compliance soon, friends!
>>531286869>>531287959total warhammer campaign gameplay is like story in doom
>>531288436there must be a reason for goods to be in trades though. It can't literally just be an icon in the ui... right? Someone had to program the game so that the goods were involved in the trading proposals, so they must have had aome reason to do that instead of just not.... Right?
crazy how people will still claim that the campaign layer is the main part of the game even when confronted with the fact that every aspect of it is dumbed down and retarded.
>>531288656They are lost technology, like so many more things. There even used to be small ships / caravans going from one place to another, visually carrying whatever you are trading. You can still see these in Pharaoh.
To name a few, other things that exist in Pharaoh/3k but are missing from WH: Fire being able to set forests aflame, artillery that can be placed on walls, officers/bannermen in units, buildings you have in city physically existing in siege map and able to be damaged by artillery, pre-battle deployables like caltrops and stakes, army supplies that can run out, population that has to be managed, military contracts and deeper diplomacy, spies and weather that affects the combat
>>531289026Fuck off fascist chud
>>531288656more goods = more money and higher quantity of said goods = even more money
ai likes money so they will accept a lucrative trade deal more easily
the game is also expertly programmed to make trade deals past the first 3 more and more difficult to make for no reason whatsoever (the ai simply has a growing penalty to making a trade deal with you even if they benefit from it greatly aswell)
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>>531251509>That pirated troyLmao
>>531287839Agreed. The portals alone are unfun and boring. Recently played Elspeth on RoC and it was actually good fun and a good chance of pace and scenery.
>>531289438he likely claimed it for free on Epic
>>531289026>>531289312Eh fuck it, I guess this little experiment of trying WH is ending early. It was fun for the novelty anyway. Back to Dynasties/3k I guess...
I'm about 60 turns into a wood elf campaign (sisters) and I already want to play another campaign probably Durthu
Which other races have interesting enough LLs that you want to play multiple campaigns with them?
My Drazhoath has 101 speed without a banner. Do you think it's worth it to give him expeditious endeavour on top of that? I have my doubts, maybe I'd rather pick spell resistance and an extra veteran red line skill instead.
>>531289760All of them, but some more than others (more LL, and/or more fun). For me Kislev is the worst for this, Ostankya is the only reasonable K*slev LL and you only build beasts too. I know I've finished each Empire LL's campaign multiple times each for example, so they're a good faction for your question.
>>531289760Well, this is my fifth Drazhoath run (two were abortive) and I must say I enjoy killing 100's of elite orc infantry with my flames of azgorh like a complete retard. But I'm a diehard Chorf fanatic and I want my Chorfs to be red like in TT and I also want to do a WC this time and then play the Monogods for a while.
>you are telling me Empire walls and Dark Elves walls are exactly the same with just a different skin ? What the point of not using a generic wall for all races and factions ?
Lemme fink about it...my Chorf runs so far have been:
>Astragoth N/N long victory, 2 false starts until I realized who's to blame for all the Chorfs' problems
>Drazhoath N/N long victory, 5 or more false starts until I learned the techs and who to gank in the thunderdome
>Zhatan VH/VH domination victory
>Zhatan L/VH RoC campaign victory
>Drazhoath L/VH migration to Naggaroth campaign, quit cause of Helf SEM spam
>Drazhoath L/VH RoC with the intent of doing the artefact quest battle with the daemons I had skipped last time, quit cause of Empire SEM spam
>Astragoth L/VH run away from Grimgor migration into Kislev campaign, stopped playing cause of Chorf fatigue
>current Drazhoath L/VH WC campaign 6 months later, just killed Grimgor on turn 36, killed Imrik and Tretch too, looking good
>>531289847If it grants him Strider, yes. Strider removes penalties from charging uphill and fighting in forests.
>>531290715no it doesn't, and he flies anyway
>>531290770Shame, then it might not be worth it. Strider is always great, since you get 20% ma penalty for fighting uphill and sometimes you have to engage in forests, where large units are penalized further.
https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Strider
>>531291152GODS I hate manlets
What do these two settings actually do? Haven't noticed any major differences in my recent Kislev campaign, by turn ~85 the major Ordertide factions have dominated as per usual
How do I get this crazy old geezer to confederate? Even threatening him doesn't work, and besides I don't really want to lose the reliability
>>531291632You can hover over each one for more info.
>>531291858Too late. You've helped him and secured all around him so there's no risk and therefore no need to confederate.
>>531291868I see that but like I said I haven't really noticed any significant changes to the AI's behaviour and/or the potential/survivability of minor factions. Am I just unlucky in my current campaign and they work as intended, or is my experience the norm?
>>531291974I had to revive him via rebellion, he got squished early by Throt. I keep trying to bribe him to join my wars but he'll only take provinces, which obviously will make him more reluctant to confederate
>>531291152I'm still annoyed that they gave long dong the sword and pistol combo when in the tableslop game they just have a bunch of pistols that they even use in melee.
>>531292036I noticed the minor slaanesh factions living longer in the wastes but that's pretty much it. Most minor factions have terrible starts so they aren't going to beat a LL faction.
>>531291858I know you said you tried to get him to join wars you're just gonna have to get him to somehow join your wars get an alliance with him (usually a terrible idea if you wanna confed) and then just declare a bunch of wars on random minor factions
>>531291858>start a military alliance with him>make him join your wars>end military alliance
Deleting fat stacks of brittle skeletons with Imperial artillery barrages is still the best feeling. It was in the first game, it still is in the third.
>>531297985>No bullshit magical barrage spam >No "free summons anywhere on the map"Truly, Empire is the most fun area to fight in.
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Aislinn SOON retards (Delves).
>>531300419>Aislinn SOONCan't wait to recruit a High Elf dragonship
Which are the best races to play atm, which are ok but not that good in comparison and who aren't worth playing
>>531301367this is my opinion it terms of fun, although it really depends on your playstyle as well as who you can rp as
>>531303001>bretonnia in CBy the dame...
Yep, started another Karl Franz run. It's due. Also didn't remember that Reiksguard were 'only' T3, I thought they were T4.
>>531304146I think that they have been tier 3 for quite a while.
The best part about the Thrones of Decay update was removing the blacksmith requirement for units.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymtvAebCJY&list
are we actually getting siege fixes?
>>531304901no lol
fantasissies don't deserve them
>>531303104bretonnia has no engaging late game mechanics, and their armies aren't varied enough to make up for it so campaigns get stale very quickly
although I will admit you do get some very satisfying battles
>>531303650yeah they suck, they suffer from the same problem as vampire coast where they were fun when they first came out and aged poorly over time because there's less they can do with them
>>531305501that cat is so cute i just came my pants
How bad is Eshin for a first Skaven campaign?
>>531305918It's fine. Skrolk (Pestilens) is the worst of the Skaven by far. Eshin is strong and a decent first Skaven try.
>>531303001>chorfs anything other than S
next dlc has stuff for coast
if it dosent
i will hurt you bad
>>531306631chaos dwarfs are an s the first playthrough but they have next to no replay value, every campaign plays out the same no matter who you pick and they just don't hold up after multiple playthroughs
they make good allies to recruit from at least, luv me artillery
>>531304901News about it this week if we are lucky.
>>531305918They're alright. They're also the only skaven clan that gets away decently with just doing frontline + backline early on by using AP slingers, so they can be simple to play and you don't necessarily have to do full skirmisher memes.
Also, they're just legit the coolest clan.
While I doubt the HElves pivot leak, Neferata honestly would have fit a theme of seduction and betrayal better for the DLC. On the other hand, I would much prefer bloodlines DLC or lord packs.
>>531306903every campaign as every faction plays out the same outside of maybe changeling but nobody plays that shit because its some weird sandbox
total war sex with elven females using bret kislev empire cock
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I am worried that Dechala won't be able to 1v1 Tyrion.
Why would I purchase a Legendary Lord that can't even 1v1 Tyrion?
>>531304901of course not silly
>>531307646i agree, that's why the only dlc i've ever bought is the queen & the crone
For a society that loves bears, they sure kill a lot of them for the pelt headdresses of the akshina regiments
>>531308119You're right!
Crone Hellebron can 1v1 Tyrion during the day.
Alarielle the Radiant can 1v1 Tyrion at night.
>>531307352more or less, but the chaos dwarfs in particular have a few things working against them in terms of replayability
>forcing you to min/max resources>little differences between factions aside from starting positions>guaranteed confederations, and punishing you if you don't
>>531308396And even the starting positions and the area in general gets tiresome quickly. All 3 LL are very close together.
the reason mods are cheats is because they let you make the game more fun without paying the dev more money
I have a seemingly dumb question. Chaos Knights, are they Chaos Warriors on horses or Chosen on horses? Because they have capes like the Chaos Warriors but their is more ornate, with a skull ring, still they don't have the eight spike star on the shoulderpad like Chosen. So are they like an intermediate rank or? What would Chosen cavalry look like?
>>531309000All I know is that their power level is just a tad under 9000!!!!
>>531309000Chosen cavalry would be shit like skullcrushers. Chaos Knights are warriors.
It is so blatantly overpowered that the "Discouraged" effect reduces leadership by 16.
>>531309000if we're going by gameplay mechanics, it's safe to assume knights are on a different path than chosen, but stronger overall
they are unlocked later in the research tree for champions, and their final tier can only be upgraded to not recruited normally whereas chosen can
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>And then he posted: " High Elves are complete, they have all of their units, and do not need updates, they are done and only delusional idiots would think otherwise."
>>531309000Chaos Knights and Chosen Knights are separate units on the table currently, if that's a sufficient answer for you
>>531309907There was a massive smile on my face when Aislinn was confirmed in the very last sentence of that blog.
CA knew what they were doing.
Any obscure mods that are actually GOATed?
>>531309000>What would Chosen cavalry look like?
>>531310070he seems like a cool guy form what I read
>>531310151Dunno if its obscure but I dont see it mentioned enough:
Adopotatos Lorefriendly Empire Reskin. The units, especially the state troopers, look so much better and closer to the artwork in the codexes.
I always have it on regardless if I play the Empire or not.
>>531309907What units are they gonna have tho, aside from that flying chariot thing?
>>531310151-50% movement points for AI and Player
Slows down the campaign a lot
I used it in WH2 too
>>531309907still need a sword and board units from t1 to t5
still need a sword plus board and dual sword sea guard
still need a phoenix guard with shield
still need a 2h greatsword t5 unit
still need a dual sword t5 unit
still need a dual axe version of the white lions of chrace
still need the skycutter
still need the emperor dragon
still need the merwyrm
still need real dragon princes, from sun to emperor dragons
still need dragonships
still need magical artillery, all 8 winds of magic
still need tall tree rock lobber
still need massive bolt thrower, you know the ones guarding inner ulthuan
still need eagleships
still need hawkships
still need ship's company
still need regiments of renown of each unit above plus those who don't have one yet
>>531259157>why are eternal guard (unbreakable)(slav) so good????
>Remains one of the most difficult campaigns in the game
>Unlike pretty much every other starter enemy in the game (who are easy chumps for you to quickly smash and grab their cities), the Empire Secessionists are something of an actual challenge.
>Things still start going to going to shit immediately afterward if you aren't actively playing Empire XCOM
>Now have the threat of Kemmler suddenly war deccing and ramming three full stacks down Helmgart instead of the war with Marienburg early warning system.
>"Recommended first campaign"
Nothin' personnel, kid.
>>531310747Hey! It's the dude from Count Noctilus' trailer.
>play game
>perfectly line up my formation to completely block their cavalry while excellently executing a multiple-cavalry micro assault to encircle and eradicate their infantry
>win battle
>watch replay
>my infantry lines blob up and get cycle charged by their knights
>my cavalry blob up and get hacked to pieces by infantry
>game ends with pyrrhic victory for AI with a stupid ass mosh pit
LMFAO and people wonder why people think AI might be becoming sentient and malicious
>>531311049Eltharion gets a really solid sword and shield unit.
>>531311135sole interesting campaign I kneel my EMPEROR
>>531311135Most difficult (constantly biting off more than what's comfortable).
To be honest, Golgfag DLC should have added new visual variants for all Maneaters and Maneaters (Dual Weapons) as the new DLC unit while Golgfag's Maneaters should've been a RoR or unique unit to Golgfag that are essentially a hybrid of all Maneater types.
>>531311286yeah but it's exclusive to yvresse, not to the rest of the high elves faction
HElfags get one DLC and they become as insufferable as Empfags
>>531311286These are the High Elf swordsmen stats in case you were interested.
High Elves are not complete until they get Chosen of Asuryan (anti large) (anti-infantry) (armour piercing) (gold shields) (hybrid unit) (decent melee combatant) (unbreakable)
>>531311685Look Anon, its a simple fact:
If you are not Chaos, Helves, Empire or Skaven YOU ARE AN NPC
God I hate modern graphics so much it's unreal. I mean look at these shadows, it's just some blurry mess
>>531237671Any idea who the artist is?
>>531312042>shadowsThat's a bug that was present all the way back when WH2 launched
I think it goes away if you turn off screen space reflections?
>>531312042Good lord anon that might be something specific to your end. TW3 has some serious issues (particularly performance on campaign map, and AA of all types is mega fucked in this game) but those shadows are special.
>>531311685>oneIt's the 3rd.
Alarielle
Eltharion
Aislinn
High Elves need a gunpowder artillery that shoots magic missiles
Anons I want to play this game so bad but I don't know which LL to play.....
>>531247593>>531247860Gimme the lowdown on the rape lizards, will ya?
>>531313043Best we can do is flying artillery chariot.
>>531313191google filename
There is mention of rape in slaanesh faction description
We need an elgi gunpowder faction
We need a Norscan Dwarf faction.
>>531312636Imrik also counts just because he is the most popular helf faction
Be honest Anon, would you fuck rat mother?
>>531313837Imrik is very cool but he is actually an FLC lord.
Alith Anar
Imrik
>>531313191In older lore, the Fimir reproduced by raping Norscan maidens.
Now that GW has gone full corpo, they don't want anything edgy or disturbing in their lore, so they ignore shit like this. Yes, their settings are all known for being "grimdark," a term they themselves coined, but now that just means that war is, like, really REALLY bad, okay?
GW hasn't gone the full Blizzard yet, but they're headed in that direction.
>>531314117warcraft now is just a gigantic blowjob to sylvanas because one of the author is in madlove for her
>>531314365Anon that expansion is already over
>>531314117>Now that GW has gone full corpo,Haven't they been full corpo for two to three decades now?
>>531313101Ain't that a big problem?
Insider here. The DLC was delayed as CA Sofia couldn't get the Fimir breeding mechanics just right. They are now consulting expert witches and professional rapists for additional input.
>>531314365>>531314413Yas we are done with worshiping the false feminist male gaze male fantasy sex symbols. Now is the era of our queen Faerin, the black one-eyed, one-armed, half-elf, orc-in-spirit, descendant of ancient barbarian queens, future queen of Stormwind.
>>531314602They were greedy in the past, no doubt, but you haven't gone FULL corpo until you start obsessing over getting the "wider audience" and start turning your setting into the Burger King Kids Club.
>>531314801oh god her now? I just remember seeing a wizard on a wheelchair
>>531314801>future queen of Stormwind.I like how they started putting shit in that makes it obvious that Anduin has a crush on that fucking goblin from out of fucking nowhere, purely in a bid to make her queen of Stormwind.
>>531314801>>531315116Wasn't Anduin gay for Wrathion, then had a crush on Bolvar's daughter who popped out of nowhere?
Alith Anar's heroes can assassinate legendary lords.
Eltharion can imprison Legendary Lords in his dungeon for eternity.
Imrik can hunt down and bind dragons to his will. He also claims their treasures and traits for himself.
Archaon will have this world.
Alarielle's mere presence causes local High Elves to engage in a frenzy of fertility.
News in 1 hour and 40 mins.
Too much elf ass licking in the thread.
>>531315212Anduin has been a general faggot and butt-boy of the modern writers. Varian would be disgusted.
He's the fucking king. Why do they keep having him act like a bashful schoolboy?
>>531316330Found the manlet.
>>531315212> then had a crush on Bolvar's daughter who popped out of nowhere?Those were in the old days of the sex pest milk stealer chudlord Garroshking Lord Meet Dadman aka Alex Afrasiabi. We have progressed past such masculine uncritical theories as having the queen of Stormwind being the daughter of a Stormwind knight.
Mannfred has two lores of magic and can switch between them mid-battle.
Mannfred was a Warhammer 1 release day lord.
None of the other 99 lords can do what Mannfred can do.
Did they truly forget? Is this yet another example of lost technology?
>>531316406You just got yourself BOOKED
Karl Franz Holswig-Schliestein is literally me.
Anons do we agree with this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWg97bLOzss&t
>>531316609Blue Scribes mog him
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>>531313191There is no fertile female Fimir.
>>531316759Chaos and Elf factions are literally the ones I enjoy least. The rest are fine.
What is "Arkhan The Black" called in Spanish?
>>531316609They think it's confusing to newfags and uncomfortable to switch lores during battles (which is correct). Their solution, instead of revamping ui to allow both lores at once, is never doing that again.
>justTCLAPthings
>>531316609Fey Enchantress.
Or is it due to SFO ?
>>531309000>>531309552Actually come to think of it Aspiring Champions also have the mantle with skulls, so maybe Chaos Knights are mounted Aspiring Champions? But why are there more of them per regiment?
Imagine actually, unironically, picking an elf and then clicking "Start Campaign".... some people are just.... different....
>>531316920Arkhan el Negro
>>531316330>Too much elf ass licking in the thread.
>>531311135>Empire Secessionists>challengemaybe before they gave you the fort for free because retards could not handle a single ambush battle to get them out of the fort
>>531317051SFO. She only has lore of life in vanilla. Still a damn tough lord.
>>531311248the game has no "replay" its just ai simulating the battle again lmao
Imagine being a guy whos uses cheats to play this game.
I am sure there are pretty dawi women, too.
>>531315212Doesn't he have the hots for that draenei woman?
>>531317565come home stunty
Man - players waiting for Tides of Torment
Woman - CA
Speech bubble in front of woman - Bulgarians refusing to give any info on the dlc and delaying it
>>531317974She looks like she fucks male human paladins
>>531315943How did she succeed where Shinzo failed?
>>531318583miss him like you wouldn't believe
I am eating kebab(with rice)
>>531318843he was part of a cult
>>531319240People like Travolta and Cruise despite them being cultists aswell.
>>531318583>With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.
>Conquer one direction
>Faction on the opposite side declares war on me so I
>Have to go back
>Deal with that, neighbor I've been allied with all game Declares war
>Have to go back
>Random army spawn in the middle of my territory
>Have to go back
I swear this game is like wack-a-mole
How the fuck do I get Talsyn to stop taking Parravon 10 turns into a Fey campaign?
>>531319987Take the land in direction you want to have peace
Sell it to closest neighbor for treaties
????
Profit!
>>531320285>peaceTotal War.
>>531320250you dont
total knife ear death
>>531320463War is Peace, my friend.
>>531319987This is why you dont conquer land you wont be. able to defend or that you feel like is going to drag you into a war
A prime example of this is conquering anything in the southern shore of that chaos wastes sea
>>531314117Beastmen raping women (Of all races) is still canon
>>531320250They start at war no ?
Is it worth playing Norsca?
>>531321928it will never be
What's even the point of playing warhammer instead of other TW games?
>>531322475What kind of dumb question is that?
>>531322475Less things to manage + monstrous units and magic. Its a more arcadey installment.
Being unable to comprehend people may enjoy things that you do not is a major hallmark of autism dear anon. That or you're just pretending to be retarded for attention, which is even worse
>>531321928Their matchups against Empire are pretty fun, but new WH3-powertier Kislev is pure cancer. As long as you can keep your fights on the Western Empire its worth a go.
>Newly-buffed berserkers shredding State Troops left and right>Marauder Champions mogging on Greatswords >Mammoths being absolute chaos as they are a hybrid between SEM and chariot>Hunting cavalry and other large targets with AL javelins (Wulfrik) is peak kino
>>531322475Quick dopamine hits from battles
It all comes down to how much you AR though
Confederated kislev and got a war sled stack,
went it to give it a spin and im surprised it actually worked
Confederated vampire coast and got a necrofex colossus stack,
went it to give it a spin and im surprised it actually worked
>>531320682But... but the diamonds...
Ulrika is like... Red Alert 3 Natasha
if she wasn't hot, wasn't cool, wasn't good at her job, was a stupid fucking cunt, and wasn't a naked creature of the night constantly masquerading as a good woman
I swear on Sigmar himself even the cover art for her books is a mockery, she has this sad mask in her hands but you can see she's actually grinning with bloodied fangs... probably from whatever noble and pious man who tried to stop her from stealing his wife's clothes, NO DOUBT
>>531325905What did he mean by this?
>>531326050Don't address the schizo, just wait him out until another topic claims his attention.
dolphin pussies are capable of contracting so hard they can literally crush your dick
Which LL has the tightest pussy grip?
>>531327574it would be funny if he was one of the schizos
Anon name your best campaign you had in w3 or else!
>>531328327Painting the world as Astragoth
>sack the Brass Citadel for 30 k gold
>spend ALL of it on expensive T3 economy buildings in all my provinces which will only recoup expenses in 8 turns or later instead of just making more armies, as if there are real people living in my nation who need the prosperity or something
What the fuck is wrong with me. How do I stop doing this and just play the game properly?
>>531328771unless you're playing as corn, you are playing the game properly already
>>531328327Epidemius is the most fun but I did a world/vassal conquest as N'Kari and that was also great.
>>531329014I don't believe you. 10 turns to get profits from my investments when I can spend that huge stack of money to make another 3 armies and go into red economy, then attacking more enemies to get more territory and maybe spend the money to make T2 econ buildings? Everyone always says this game is about momentum. By spending on T3 econ, I'm just making the game take longer.
How can they call it Tides of Torment and forget the one faction thatโs literally built on sailing and making everyoneโs life miserable?
>>531330739They had to shoehorn slaanesh somewhere
>>531330419it's not about momentum, it's about building your empires
why conquer land and do nothing with it?
>>531330739Ideally the DLC would have been norsca,dark elves and high elves.
But since there is a mandatory chaos faction to be inserted, one lost a spot
>>531330739Because sadly someone came up with the bright idea to implment Norsca the NPC race into game 1 and because they were so shit and boring they got nothing until now one dlc a year and they waste it on fucking Norsca
>>531331276>why conquer land and do nothing with it?For the cheap economy buildings which return on investment immediately
>>531330739Because Dark Elves are content complete
>>531321928I think Norsca is a lot of fun to play because you can go literally anywhere and get bonuses from it.
>>531331604enjoy your teleport mechanic
>>531331787Thanks, I will!
>>531310320Don't tell nobody, but I think Smegmar sculpts mog fantasy/TOW every day of the week
Obv the characterisation and characters and overall setting are fucking dogshit but comparing any Nighthaunt unit with the OG spirit hosts is just brutal
But again, this is just between you and me, capiche?
>any dlc with chaos in it
>>531332132Chaos is based.
>>531330739Morathi will be part of the Slaanesh rework.
>>531332195...on a dry dookie laying on the pavement
>>531332132What about DLC with Bretonnia?
>>531332453I've got 3K and Pharaoh ready to go but I don't have the patience to get used to their UIs and new systems before going "Eh, I'll just start another Warhammer campaign instead" and seeking refuge in what's simple and I'm used to.
>>531332132Chaos game. Chaos franchise.
>>531328327Louen Lion-Coeur.
Conquer Bretonnia, Estalia, Tilea, Araby, Albion, Marienburg coast.
Work your way through the map, giving back region to Order factions, keeping some one province region as bastion of ze Lady.
>>531332678i wrote this post btw
>>531332701the franchise is in chaos alright
>>531332678>but I don't have the patience to get used to their UIs and new systemsbut that's the most fun time is when everything's new and you're learning.
>>531332678I don't get it
the first campaign in a new total war is the most fun, when things aren't predictable and you're still figuring out the systems
>>531328327...fuck dude, hard to tell which one I enjoyed most at this point.
I guess the ones that stick most in my mind are Boris Ursus, Karl Franz, Belegar, Malakai, Golgfag and the Sisters of Twilight.
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>>531333726>2177 hoursI kneel
>>531334054This is for 2 btw.
And I'm pretty sure I'm still not one of the highest in this general.
>>531334167So which game is better?
>>531334245Obviously 3 is more complete, but 2 was very much handled better and was more enjoyable during the process of CA releasing all the DLCs.
>>531334245World map in 2 looks so much better than this warcrafty shit we got in 3, but 3 is a better game now.
So... do ANY ground units beat Wrathmongers?
Like do Wrathmongers just beat everyone 1 on 1 if it's a melee unit?
>he doesnt save sarthoreal in every kairos run
he is the bird covered in oil.
Tell me about the lords and heroes of the empire
Which ones are actually worth recruiting for battle?
>>531335567just like irl only engineers are worth having around
>>531335567All can be used except huntmasters who got obsolete by engineers. Never a reason to use them, rest got their niche.
>inb4 still no mage lords
>>531335975Hunstman were never good because ranged lords are shit unless they buff your ranged
not single good elspeth reskin
>>531333726>kislev>empire>dwarfs>lizardmen>wood elvesbased order enjoyer
>>531335567Shadow Wizards
>>531335315this is without cycle charging, or my lord assisting in any way
their lord didn't have any items and routed instantly every time he got into combat
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Malagor? more like Malagone
>>531336682forgot image FUCK
another one incoming with cycle charging
>>531336306Wait but I mentioned Golgfag, not a lizardman... I do like Kroq-Gar and Nakai though.
Though yeah, in general I enjoy Order more than Destruction. From the other side some campaigns I enjoy are
>Khazrak>Snikch>Wulfrik>Morathi>HarkonBut I haven't really had super memorable campaigns with them in 3. I guess one with Khazrak.
>be kislev
>have fun playing the campaign
>until I need to hit the chaos wastes and its all red terrain and everyone hates you so even if you leave it razed somebody will just pick the mantle, so you need to go all in into the chaos wastes for 50 turns
Yeah, I will call it a wrap
>>531336990I ignored golfag obviously, that list is not respective
>>531336990describe your snikch campaigns
>>531336990The problem with destruction is that you are either a unga bunga enjoyer, a ratfag, or you are neurotypical and only is capable of enjoying dark elves
>>531336953I consider this as a win because they hand the lord nearby and I didn't
close though
>>531336953>>531337495So it takes a literal fucking super dinosaur predator to almost beat them?
Is that the Shredder? Or just a feral one?
>>531337987just the feral one, the shredder or even the regular one would have done better
i let the dread saurian get 2-3 hits off each charge before cycling around too just to make it realistic
>Shredder of Lustria has 12k mass
>Thunderbarges somehow have 20k mass while being able to fly
Huh?
>>531337468what the hell do you mean by that last part
>>531338306You probably think steel ships can't float on water.
>>531337287>First of all I recruit two master assassins turn one. This is to use them for schemes without actually paying their upkeep or having to give up characters I'm actually using.>I take the province from the stupid green-things.>The most effective way to do it is to take their two minor settllements, then bait them out of the big city and into an ambush.>Snikch takes their shaman lord's head easily, the starting mortars need to do a lot of the work too.>Use food to raise Kunlan to the highest tier possible, usually I get 4 by the time I take it, more than enough for what you want to recruit as Snikch (gutter runners first and foremost).>From there I march north, at this point Miao should just about have taken the second province and have two stacks running around.>Use schemes to make sure I keep track of where each is at all times, take down Miao as soon as I see an opportunity.>Laugh giddily to myself at what a feat it must be for Snikch to assassinate a dragon.>Decide to complete the set so I invade Zhao Ming right after.>Get kinda butthurt because I play with OvN and the Cathay cities have really nice models but capturing them as skaven always reduces them all to ruins.>Still do it because I'm playing Snikch and I need to murder-stab important things.>I do Snikch's big schemes at whatever point seems convenient to delete him from the map for a couple of turns.>Rest of the campaign is just me extending from Cathay and imagining extended cinematic sequences of Snikch sneaking around and assassinating lords like the badass Ryu Ratabusa he is.
>>531338306MASS not weight bro
>>531338498Shouldn't weight increase MASS though? I feel like a dread saurian would weigh more than a thunderbarge and should have more mass, but maybe I am underestimating the power of the BALLOON
>>531339007and maybe you're just some dense animal that deserves to circle around the wheel of pain for the rest of your misbegotten and ignorant life.
>>531339414>t.balloon salesmanI take it back, I am OVERESTIMATING balloons.
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who is the coaxmetal of warhammer? who is iron given purpose? enemy of all life and servant of entropy?
which /twg/ or in general from anywhere total war related (forums, YT, plebbit etc.) schizo/autist do you miss the most?
>>531340549Isn't iron very stable tho?
>>531340549ghark ironskin
>>531340748I miss the old forums in general, but the one poster I will always remember is Vanilla_Gorilla, lover of greenskins(?) and dwarfs, and the biggest hoper of ogres and cathay
he always had a unique introduction to his posts too, he was like the guardian spirit of the forums to me
>>531340748I miss that BOTET anon who kept bringing it up because he obviously played the mod and didnt just shitpost since he kept posting screenshots
>>531341016maybe as an isotope. chemically it's very reactive, turns into rust easy and then gives you tetnis
>>531341194not a real character
>>531341723So isn't Cylostra
>>531341016>>531341194iron was meant in a more metaphorical sense than literal
>>531341723why must you turn my thread into a house of lies
Now your chance to experience the wonders of playing the game for the first time plus some kino tomb kings gameplay.
https://www.twitch.tv/stimpak_vt
>>531343196she deserves rape.
>>531343285at least she didn't pick something like ikit claw or katarin
>>531343196based
>>531343436you know most female vtubers are actually female right?
>>531343430the faction she chose isnt relevant to my statement
What does it mean by penalties for having more ice court or orthodoxy support, I dont see any negatives on the effects tab
>>531343632Why does she deserve rape?
>>531343741EVERY ENTERTAINER DESERVES IT THEY ARE THE LOWEST KIND OF PEOPLE.
>>531343869>every entertainer>lowest kind of peoplelow IQ take, since the lowest kinds of people are those who contribute nothing to anything
at least entertainers bring people entertainment
>>531344032kill yourself you slop drinking monkey
>>531344231t. triggered neet (parasite)
>>531343665There is a red little dude on the factions interface mouse over him
>want to play cathay
>remember yin and yang bullcrap in battle
>dont want to play cathay anymore
>>531343632settra isn't a typical first campaign these days, shows independent thought
>>531344231>any form of entertainment=slopyou kill yourself, you soulless retarded leech
>>531344668do a little dance for us, monkey
>>531343196she sounds cute and young unlike that Clio dude
Why wouldn't CA just take all the features everyone agrees are great from all their games and just keep them as standard for every game they release after?
>>531345036Clio is old and had throat cancer.
>>531345175clio is old and can get it
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she can't even figure out how to embed a hero, this is going to be a good time
>>531345175whatever bro i'm already sliding on this vtubers dms. going to personally coach her.
>>531345337>sliding into her dmsdoubt it
can these vtuber shills fuck off
>>531345337you better hurry up before sotek gets to her first, I've seen him on at least 3 different girls's streams
>>531345289yeah, she probably hasn't gotten it in a while
>>531343196Watching someone trying to learn total war is really weird. How the fuck did i figured it out myself all those years ago i dont remember.
>>531345752tutorials and trial and error...
lots of trial and error, I remember getting my ass kicked in Shogun 2 before it finally began clicking in my head
>>531345549sotek is such lecherous vermin holy shit
40k cant come sooner to boot him out of this franchise
>>531346000I doubt any of them are giving him much thought, I remember when majorkill tried to do something with Lumi and she ignored and banned(?) him from her stream
>>531345752I learned rome total war when I was 11 its not that complicated desu
>>531345752it really is
>>531345931at least she has a chat to walk her through it even though they are likely to be wrong most of the time
>>531345752brings memories of joy because the game was fresh and fun.
>>531345752i just played the brutii in the original rome, their campaign is basically autopilot which helped me learn
i keep playing kairos over and over again is there another campaign you guys might think i'd like?
>>531346739If you like magic play Morathi or Tyrion.
>>531346739What do you like about Kairos specifically?
>>531346236please I need to know more about this rrat, which stream was it? did Majorkill ever say anything about it?
he is such a hot fucking chad I'm surprised Lumi rejected him
>>531346838i don't even know anymore at this point i think it has something to do with my poor eyesight causing and attraction to the bright colours, and i guess i like the whole sagely bird """weird""" thing tzeentch has going on. i like that its strange ig the theme of it that its strange and not well understood.
>>531347043majorkill has negro face
>>531345175Anon that's a man
>>531340549warhammer doesn't contain avellonekino
lizardmen should take from more than south americans culture than just aztecs desu like maybe the incas
>>531348093False.
Not one piece of actual evidence has ever been presented.
>>531346480she really likes chariots
what a bunch of brown nosers
>>531348647every person that watches any streamer is like that, they all gargle them
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Why does AR suck off Ogres so much?
>>531349121AR really hates undead factions and greenskins
>>531348647now you know how pathetic vtuber fags are
>>531349307you can go into any streamers chat and see people posting that kind of stuff though?
>>531349121I could easily beat your trash stacks with those ogres so it isn't totally wrong
>>531349121you dont have any anti-large you stupid faggot
>>531349408you're right, sorry, now you know how pathetic anyone who watches e-celebs is
Everything I read about AoS makes me angry. Like the writers went out of their way to shittify every piece of lore they could as a direct insult to the original.
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>>531349921Yeah, the whole "Gorkamorka" deal is fucking infuriating. I have no idea why they did that.
>>531344547>change yin yang range to 10000>the buff applies at all times without having to do autismo manoeuvres to maintain it
Be a good person
>>531349921
is that seriously one of the devs watching
>>531350649I'll chose to believe that.
>>531345145bold of you to assume CA has any kind of control over their game engine forks meaning they would have to reimplement everything they ever made for every game
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>>531350649probably a former dev, most of them quit or got fired by now
>>531350637>Be a good person???
>>531350969somehow I fucked up and copied the first post, no idea how
>>531350649>tier 3 subbed total war devfucking hell I got no chance it's over
>>531343285I see you have taken the Fimirpill
