Thread 531192786

Siege Rework Edition

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Previous thread: >>531070609

Be a good person

Be an elf person

>>531192786 (OP)
40k waiting room

Any bets on whether they'll finally allow artillery and monstrous infantry on the walls for the rework?

>>531193153
probably not, seems like a balance thing since infantry is supposed to scale walls and monsters are artillery are supposed to just break through them
if we're lucky we might be able to get spiders on the walls

Anyone expecting anything major for this siege rework is delusional. They can’t even hack out lord packs anymore, they are not uprooting deepset game systems now. Ass ladders forever.
>>531193153
lol

What is Aislinn even supposed to have as a unique mechanic?

All I can think of is something about controlling the seas through Helf colonies, past or present. Full blown British Empire.
>Citadel of Dusk
>Fortress of Dawn
>Estern Colonies
>Controlling Lothern as the super central hub
>Reclaiming Star Tower in Lustria
>Reclaiming the Great Turtle Isle in Lustria
>Conquering Marienburg in the Old World
>Conquering Fyrus in the Araby

And since CA is apparently in dire need to impress given the delay, I dare even hope that they can add some new settlements across the ocean to give more content to seafaring factions.

>Tor Andar to the right of Cothique, making it a three settlement province
>Amazon Island and Columbo's Island/Santa Magritta in Lustria
>Spear Reef Island to the right of CItadel of Dusk

>>531193439
the ironic part is that as ladders are literally fine and a scapegoat for the real issues with sieges, and we are more likely to have them remove ass ladders and call it a fix than to actually fix the core issues

>changeling transforms into settra
>no chariot
>no items
>no campaign effects
y-yeah you're so much better

Piggybacking this post >>531193572
What he said plus shit like hunting down the rouge pirates, vampire coast, lokhir, and other seafaring factions.
Sayl has ‘diplomatic shenanigans’. Sounds like shit tzeentch should have as a racial mechanic but w/e.
Dechala is about ‘dominating’ her foes. Which is what literally every faction in the game is supposed to do.
Masque is ???
No wonder they delayed. This looks awful now that I write it out.

>>531193572
Factionwide bonuses for each high elven colony settlement owned
Special sea lanes available only to Aislinn
That's the best I can do for you

>>531193439
Can't they just literally copy what the modders have easily done, but make it look more polished?
Besides these are the Pharaoh guys. If we're talking specifically about assladders, why can't they just grab the ladders from that game, reskin them a bit, and put them in Warhammer?

>changeling transforms into gelt
>no spells

When is the siege rework getting revealed?

If your changeling transforms into anyone other than skarbrand or featus, you’re unironically trolling.
I suppose that’s in character though.

>changeling transforms into Karl's wife
>got fucked
>several times

>>531193153
they'll allow you to position units outside of the settlement thats it

>>531193028
just 2 more weeks sir

I would like to not have to wait 2 minutes for reinforcements that have been encamped alongside the besieging army for 2 turns

>>531194104
this or next week

>>531194138
>skarbrand
>over nkari
half of skarbrand's shit comes with campaign effects and his item
retard post

>>531193572
Asilinn gets [teleport mechanic], which will play off well with Wulfrik's revamped [teleport mechanic], as well as Masque's ability to perform special dances in order to [teleport mechanic]

It would be good timing with their announcement that Lizardmen are sure to have some touch ups, like a global [teleport mechanic]

give me one reason why changeling cant change into Nagash and just insta kill everyone

Thanquol soon, friends!

>>531194616
I could but it would be beyond your comprehension.

Theres a mod that lets Changeling get mounts you whiny bitch

>>531194832
>cheating
yikes x2

>>531193439
Just giving more monsters access to wallbreaker and make some siege equipment be available instantly would fix alot of issues

>changling transforms into sisters of twilight
>now i’m 2 chicks
>and a bird
Huh.

>>531194616
Changeling would get a tummy ache since Nagash is all about warpstone diet.

>>531193028
Reveal trailer at SKVLL !!

>>531194943
>left arm Naestra
>right arm Arahan
>benis bird
simple math

>>531194926
The latter is all I need. Fuck waiting for towers, which make the attack so much smoother. Fixes gate pathfinding, fixes blobing up on the gate, circumvents gate bug.
Rams will never be good.
Defeats the purpose of actually laying siege tho. The game and playerbase are too fast paced ‘must map paint by turn 50’ to ever actually prolong a siege. Province Capitals should have monster garrisons that require significant force to attack immediately.

>>531195034
Pretty sure that the Skulls event was a few months ago.

My peepl

>they seriously arent gonna do the siege rework blogpost this week
>silence after delay news
Every.
Single.
Time.
I hate these people. GreatCumsockOfGrudges is right, CA should die.

Wood elf women should have sex with reiksguard women

luthor harkon kills you

>>531194926
>and make some siege equipment be available instantly
All of it should be available instantly and labor points should be balanced around you doing same turn siege battles. Also add petards so I can do picrelated with chaff units.

Anons do we agree on this?

>>531197301
>Luthorina Harkon when xhe looks in the mirror

>>531197678
Strong = S-tier
Weak = D-tier
Inspiring!

>>531197678
>empire and dwarfs in upper tiers
>Greenskins in lower tiers
literally kill yourself

>>531197678
>woc other than archy/bele only in a because no confed makes my autism brain sad :(
All woc are unkillable s-tier. Youbliterally cant die and will never even be attacked at your home bases as woc except maybe festus if you throw

>Settra the Imperishable
>Tretch Craventail
>Chaos Lord of Tzeentch
What do all of these lords have in common?

>>531198836
Anti-large
High armour
Being pretentious

>>531198836
Anti-large bonus when on foot

you can tell the devs don't play their own game

>/twg/
>/gsg/
>/crpgg/
What do all of these generals have in common?

>>531199130
One faggot in particular frequents all 3

>>531193572
Dragonships?

>>531199318
Omg he’s just gonna helf with vcoast shipbuilding aint he

>>531198927
>>531198928
Close, all are strong anti-large fighters that also buff halberd infantry

>>531193961
>hunting down the rouge pirates
Extremely racist of you, what the fuck

>>531194832
is there a mod that lets Changeling get mounted instead
Asking for a friend (me)

>>531199462
Thats loaded because any lord can ‘buff halberd inf’ in their redline but w/e I’m a halberdfag so it flies

>>531199604
they all do well with halberds in particular, but that is true

>>531199446
>Omg he’s just gonna helf with vcoast shipbuilding aint he
Based if true.

>>531198021
Nah, its right, cope greentranny

>>531201070
I hope so so the 5 VCoast fans before this can seethe and the people that have never touched or cared for VCoast to get upset too

Anons do we agree on this?

Everqueen? More like the Everslut

>>531204107
Why are beastmemes not elfphobes?

>>531203342
Those 5 VCoast fans are all Luthor though

>>531204475
why would he?
pic is what their relationship is like: beastmen eternally malding, elves often forgetting those annoying goat people exist and worrying about their civil war and races like humans and dwarfs

>>531204803
At least Morghur should be there. Fucking up treeniggers is his thing.

Reddit will save VCoast by getting upset about Aislinn and Wulfriks upcoming sea mechanics being everything VCoast wished they could get. Theyll be getting upset for a faction none of them have played, specifically focused on Clyostra and Aranessa. It will lead to Depth Guard getting +6 MD

>>531204467
Morathi ...

>>531205118
>Theyll be getting upset for a faction none of them have played
vampire coast is one of the most reddit factions in the game

VCoast should never have happened
Harkon should have been a VCount FLC lord with reskinned zombies, thats it.

>>531197678
Why is Gorbad that low?

You should all listen to her and be ashamed of yourselves.
https://youtu.be/LaIJfm7yu70?si=hWwqR8xEqoN99gr_&t=228

not really interested in jap history but holy fuck shogun 2 is PEAK

playing right now as the date
how did we lose so much soul? bring back ninja videos

>>531199256
make that two

>>531205961
dis grot tinks oim gunna click dat link

>>531204467
>Everqueen? More like the Everslut

>>531205868
Legend doesn’t like greenskins. He especially doesn’t like Gorbad because his entire gimmick feels lazy

>>531205961
God imagine Clios body...
Imagine the flabby fat, the remnants of muscle from her failed wrestling career. Imagine the chesthair, her hairy arms, her bulging biceps, her wide jaw...
Imagine her teeth, stained from years of smoking, her breath smelling faintly of nicotine even now...

I'm excited for the Bretonnia rework.

>>531207032
she doesn't always shower either, surely she must sweat from time to time in her sweater and socks

>>531207256
Why does it need a rework?

>>531205868
Gorbad's gimmick sucks. It rquires way too much effort without real payoff. Any other Greenskin can just spam what they buff naturally.

>>531206917
And hes not wrong, Da Plan is just a choice of buffs (that arent even permanent) that promote memestacks.

>>531208097
idiot retard, his gimmick gives braindead op buffs to whatever composition you are using, zero effort large payoff

The idea behind Da Plan was good (promote weird compositions and mixed unit tactics) but DLC powercreep made it too ridiculous

>>531208035
They should have access to warband upgrades

>>531208035
>>531209074
they also need a way to build up their characters, like path to glory or runes or something

>>531208035
they dont need shit but squires should probably not be fucking tier 4

Nobody ITT seriously believes that Neferata has some kind of mastermind plan in mind as mistress of her vampire masquerade infiltrator conspiracy, do they? I mean it's all just a stupid game, a past-time, she sends Lahmian vampires to steal women's clothes and identities because she has nothing better to do. There's obviously no real point to any of it.

>>531206378
Excellent picture

>Gorbad is supposed to be a superb Warboss thats intelligent
>used unconventional greenskin mechanics like actively using goblins and ranged warfare
>was a charismatic leader
>none of this is used in Warhammer 3
>Da Plan is just meme buffs
What a wasted opportunity

>>531209074
This but also the Empire with all its knightly orders

>>531211324
that's the whole point of vampires, all of them are so full of themselves but they really don't hold much power in the grand scheme of things
they become megalomaniacs because nagash was one too

Is CA an indie studio?

>>531212778
It’s certainly operating like one

Lore-wise was Malekith on Azazel's island list? What's going on?

>>531206917
>>531208303
I can't deny the Plan is a bit lame. They'd be unironically better if the plans were permanent until replaced but only be usable on 1 army per plan (so only 1 army can get super squigs plan, 1 army can get better orc boys plan), maybe cost more Plan points per plan to compensate. No longer would you have to bother slotting them in every 3 turns, and you could just dedicate an army to X tactic. It's annoying busywork as it is, and once you have 5 armies, you just stop bothering unless it's necessary. You get the basic generic plans when you remember that iirc give movement range and/or reduce upkeep, then you forget. It's just not a very cool mechanic, is all.

>>531212643
>Nagash was a vampire
WHAT DID YOU SAY, NIGGA?

>>531213478
Why is Arkhan so loyal to Nagash?

GorBAD is the guy you play when you want to play Empire, but green.

>try romance mode against my better judgement
>fight 2 battles and hate every second of watching single entities duel or run around in general
>go back to records mode
single entities are and always were a mistake

>/twg/ being fucking entitled again
>CreamAPIfags thinking their opinion matters

>>531213570
He is fully aware that Nagash is going to win and he just wants to be on the winning side

>>531208035
They need peasant bowmen (longbows), peasant bowmen (longbows, fire arrows) and peasant bowmen (longbows, men in tights)

>>531213923
But Nagash always loses

>>531213478
no nagash was a megalomaniac and vampires become one too because they are essentially like lesser, cursed nagashes
they all just have their different flavors of it
neferata sees herself as a shadowey overlord, vlad sees himself as a noble prince, etc

>>531204803
You're dumb. Both wood elves and even high elves hate and are hated by beastmen and skaven, for obvious reasons. Trying to make it sound like dwarves are the only race that has an antipathy for elves is a dumb reddit meme.

>>531211817
how would you integrate those things into total war considering that the player already does all of those things with dumb greenskin lords

I don't care if they're not that good, I fucking love cannons.

Cannister shot should really be a thing all Empire faction should be able to upgrade to, or at least somehow acquire from Nuln at a certain rate and cost

>>531208996
The biggest problem to me is just the fact that there's multiple which are "No duh, take this one"

Everyone's final battle is a loss.
There is no shame in that.

>playing warhammer 3
>go to fight chorfs
>constantly bombarded by infinite range artillery spells
>go to fight delves
>constantly bombarded by infinite range artillery spells
>go to fight skaven
>constantly bombarded by infinite range trash summons to my backline and basically unlimited warp lightning

>>531214761
no?
retard

>>531214540
Cannons are fine, they just have tocompete with Helstorm Rocket Batteries for infantry and Helblaster Guns/Hochland Long Rifles for taking out things with precision. I wish Franz started with that over a Mortar, that shits too inaccurate

>playing kostaltyn
>everything going fine, norsca pacified, empire united, kislev somewhat strong
>arbaal arrives with 6 stacks, erases kislev
>wait until he separates from the group, deliver localized bear agression to arbaal, manual fight him and order kostaltyn and golden knight to lay the smack on him
>it actually works
>pick the remaining stacks off through high level movement kikery
The only time I had fun in this game

>>531214773
Im convinced that half of the factions in this game is absolutely unsufferable to fight against
rats being the ultimate case of being just 100% unfun to fight against and are auto auto-resolve material.

>>531193028
indeed, I can see OP even linked the steam page for 40k

>>531214773
The unlimited warp lightning is the worst thing imo
It hits exactly like a lore of heavens lightning, but its unlimited and the only way to stop it is to fucking murder the rat that will for sure keep running away from you

I kind of liked sieges in games where you couldn't just climb up any wall you wanted.
Defending a walled city in Rome 2 or Attila with a garrison is very possible.
Defending a walled city in Warhammer 3 with just a garrison is kind of impossible.

>>531215796
Removing ass ladders is the starting point in their siege rework, too many people asking for it, I bet my ass they will remove ass ladders.
Going from there, we would need also to remove the ability of units to simply "hop off" the wall on the other side at any point, as if there is no 30ft fall in front of them.

>>531215796
Rome Total War sieges will always have a special place in my heart. The struggle over towers that would switch allegiance if you got your own troops in them. Plugging gaps at the walls as units route and maneuver. And the city streets creating actual chokepoints that the AI can't just force its way through with infinite right-clicks.

You've got to be a right and proper retard when even the members of your sycophantic elven court realise that shaving the beards of dwarven ambassadors is extremely stupid.

>>531214761
Actually my final battle every day is a pyrrhic victory autoresolve that could have been a decisive victory if I had played out the battle. That's roughly the point when I realise I should take a break.

>>531208035
>Why does it need a rework?
To make them more fun, and give them more playstyles.

Oh fuck I just realised
Play Repanse
Military Alliance with Empire
Hire Hoontsmen
Kill Lizards

I am looking forward to the N'Kari rework and the first thing I will do is mindbreak Eltharion (not interested, he is just in the way) before going on to dominate Tyrion.
Might add Alarielle to the harem so that they can all keep each other entertained.

>>531216330
I am fully convinced that Caledor was snoozing and it was actually the Changeling that ordered the dwarven ambassador to be shaved

>>531216732
Wait until the Betrand the Brigand DLC that adds Sisters tier archers (both Averlorn and Thorn variants) for Bretonnia

>>531217421
Oh sure buddy and also all of the Asur's accounts of the war of the beard are accurate and Caledor was a noble king and he always wanted peace with the angry dwarfs and the Day of Severing was just a missunderstanding and he only died because he didn't really want to kill the dwarf High King and and and and

>>531217590
I know what Avelorn tier means, but what does Thorn tier mean in this context? They've always felt like a weak gimmick unit to me considering their cost.

>>531217794
>Oh sure buddy and also all of the Asur's accounts of the war of the beard are accurate and Caledor was a noble king and he always wanted peace with the angry dwarfs and the Day of Severing was just a missunderstanding and he only died because he didn't really want to kill the dwarf High King and and and and

>>531208035
Sieges will never be fun. Best thing is to make small + wall-less settlement battles be open field battles, with city in the background.

>>531217590
>Wait until the Betrand the Brigand DLC that adds Sisters tier archers (both Averlorn and Thorn variants) for Bretonnia

>>531218750
Some of the quest battles have pretty cool maps. I wouldn’t mind if a siege battle was just you defending a breach in a wall section

>>531218750
>Sieges will never be fun.
is this all due to them being a cavalry focused faction? Why not just encircle the settlement to force them garrison to meet you outside in the open?

People saying Tamurkhan is broken are disingenuous. Nurgle armies cost a fortune, so you can only support 2 or 3 even after having taken the whole of the Mountains of Mourn. Nurgle cannot respond to attacks on multiple fronts.

>>531219423
Or rediscover the lostech of dismount

>>531218750
Cav factions being shit at sieges is historically accurate
Genghis khan had to import engineers to build siege engines

>>531219643
>>531219423
No, it's just them not being fun, regardless of faction or game. Outside of novelty or just to spice things up once in a while.

>>531219791
The only way to make sieges fun to cav factions would be to increase the width of breaches significantly instead of the dinky little gap we have nowadays

>>531218427
What a stupid, goofy cretin
>hehehe I am now a middle aged woman and I'm up to trouble heheheh
Would've made more sense to add Magica de Spell to the game for all he's worth.

>>531219940
Total War: Duckburg when

>>531219889
Why do sieges need to be fun for cav factions? If cavalry is sufficiently strong in the open field to make up for it it's totally fine for them to struggle in siege fights. It's not like you're ever forced to fight an offensive siege battle.

>>531219889
I increased the width of your mom's breach LMAO

>>531220206
impossible

>>531215796
Games without ass ladders:
Rome 1
Medieval 2
Rome 2
Attila
Thrones of Britannia
Pharaoh

Games with ass ladders:
Empire
Napoleon
Shogun 2
Warhammer 1
Warhammer 2
Three Kingdoms
Troy
Warhammer 3

what kind of siege does /twg/ prefer?

>>531220289
tough but doable

>>531220370
Rome 2 had ok sieges, but also do it like WH2 where smaller and unwalled cities get open field battles.

what faction I should play in the Realms of Chaos campaign? Is there one with more flavour?

>>531221228
If you want to play the souls race, play Katarin since she is unironically the main character
otherwise go as WoC so you can take advantage of the quick turn times and just tear through everything

>>531221228
RoC is abandonware. Dont waste your time on it.

>>531221228
Base game races are the worst, but Boris has a better start position than he does in IE. WoC is the best choice

>>531221228
Daniel and head straight south into the Empire

>>531219489
Are you sure you aren't properly building your income buildings? Remember to use plagues and to increase growth for the extra revenue.
Also, you don't need every single unit in your 20 stacks to be a Chaos Warrior or above. Marauders and even Nurglings can do their job at a cheap price.

>>531215796
Sieges should focus on taking key points of the settlement the struggle for the walls should be tough units shouldn't be able to just teleport off the walls and should need to go to a tower to move down/up so you can actually create chokepoints (this happened in the old games btw)

If you have no siege equipment and no way of breaching the gates/walls (no hydra no monsters etc) you should just auto lose if your siege equipment gets destroyed remove the skavenslaves slap a dwarven gate and somehow open it bullshit

The most obvious fix is pathfinding not much needs to be said, Towers should need to be manned by an actual unit not have someone stand near them

Allow sallies out of the settlement if the enemy runs through the gate make it possible for your units to follow even if the gate is wide open right now if you dont control it you cant walk in it
>TLDR walls need to matter siege equipment needs to matter units need to matter
Theres more I can say but I dont wanna have a massive wall of text

>>531222698
>units shouldn't be able to just teleport off the walls and should need to go to a tower to move down/up so you can actually create chokepoints (this happened in the old games btw)
Yep yep yep. Ideally this should be coupled with removing assladders and (optimistically) wall artillery, but if I could only pick one single thing to fix walls it would be stopping the teleporting.

And of course the Gate bug. Holy FUCK the gate bug.
At this point it's well worth just remaking the gate object from scratch if it proves impossible to fix.

I like the way the developers literally made blobbing a mechanic if you play as Ku'gath. I hope that Nurglings don't get claustrophobic.

LL's whose names you just can't seem to remember right? I keep thinking it's Aranessa Saltspire.

>>531213570
He is his only friend.
Arkhan being Nagash only friend I mean

>>531223983
I always confuse Belakor with Belagar

>>531224025
I used to call Deathmaster Snikch, Snitch.

>>531224172
???

>>531224025
I find myself calling Zhatan the Black ZHATAN DA BRAAAAAJ! IDK where I got that from, I must be going schizo.

>>531224123
you will also confuse one post with another it seems

>>531224389
I think i need an eye test...

>Siege rework
Alright, how do we deal with ghosts?

Let them walk through walls with a -75% speed for the duration? Just keep the ghost ladders?

>>531224743
I think all ghosts have barrier? have them be able to walk through the wall but at the cost of all their barrier or make them winded/exhausted

>>531224743
ghosts are shit so they should be able to pass right through walls if anything, no penalty
but if that were to happen some retard would sperg out over the fact that they can't start passing through everything else too

>531186289
>An independent, unbiased, bipartisan investigation by our grail knights has determined that the death of Woodland lord Jefril Epstillion of the Torgovann realms was in fact a suicide.
>There was no sons/daughters of Bretonnia client list. Any circulating copies are Druchii forgeries
>The Fay Enchantress remains locked in her tower. However, many are rumoring a possible executive pardon from King Louen Leoncoeur

>>531216147
Don't the Rome towers always stay on thw defenders side, juat off or on? I thought swapping sides was medieval 2
Or maybe the other way around

>>531226073
>>531186289
Whoopsie

>>531224743
Make them fly

>>531224025
There´s the Vampire Counts necromancer lord, a ltieral who, can´t even remember his name

>>531222698
>>531223963
Units need to pass through small stairway towers in newer installations (Pharaoh) and there´s no gate bug there, so both issues should be fixable now that we have Sofia handling the updates.

>>531220085
>>531219940
She would be a perfect Tzeentch LL to be honest.

I keep telling my computer not to update but then it updates anyway when I am not looking.
Legendary Lords for this feeling?

>>531225881
>Player makes a near 100% ghost army
>Completely ignores the walls and just rampages inside.
Probably won't work against proper armies but normal garrisons will get fucking rolled.

>>531220370
what are ass ladders? Are they just ladders that you can place no matter what? Ive only played TW games with ass ladders (Empire, Shogun 2, TWWH, napoleon) so i cant tell what is meant.

>>531228763
it's when every single unit can climb walls without equipment, they just magically pull out ropes or ladders and climb walls
in other games walls are a serious obstacle and you need to actually build ladders/siege towers to get over walls

>Endturn
>Enemy AI opens diplo screen for peace
>Camera fucking flies off to moon
>I decline their peace offer
>While camera resets one of their army just fucking dissapears
Fucking AI made sure i could not see where it set up the ambush using the diplo screen.

>>531230131
>You want schemes? I got schemes!

>>531230131
outplayed, outskilled, another win for the demiurge

>>531226206
It's the other way around. The worst change of the transition from rome to medieval 2. You can have the walls totally under your control, but the towers keep shooting you in the back because there's a defender stuck on a building up the road.

>army building in mp:
>I'm playing empire vs dwarves. my state troops are hard countered by blasting charges so I'm going to use hochlands to out range his shooting and knights of the black rose to counter his melee push. I'll keep the sunmaker in reserve until his cannons are shut down and a burning head wizard in case he goes mass slayers.
>army building in campaign:
>I put cheat points into my lord's cheatline skills so I'm only going to recruit cheat units so they can outcheat the ai's cheats with their powerful stat cheats.

>rework isn't even in yet
>Countchads already dominating

Kneel, breathers.

>>531231705
>the gameplay mechanics that come base in the single-player campaign are cheats
why are they cheats and why do you care if you play a different game-mode?

>>531231705
>He thinks there is actual strategic thinking in wh3 mp

>>531232195
YES my bull centaurs will have melee regen
YES my infantry will have frenzy and glittering scales
YES my daemon constructs will be unbreakable and have devastating flanker
YES my arty will have 20% PR
YES my blunderbusses will have more ammo and 20% more dmg if about 80% ammo
Go cry to Enticity about it

>>531222698
if you make sieges into a minigame focused around defeating defenses with siege equipment everyone will just bitch that they can't take walled settlements in one turn and it's ruining their campaigns. also I'm starting to suspect that half of the people complaining about ladders just want to be able to cheese sieges by sniping the ladders with magic.

>>531232579
You forgot magic weapons for bussies.

>>531232579
>physical resistance

>>531233145
>also I'm starting to suspect that half of the people complaining about ladders just want to be able to cheese sieges by sniping the ladders with magic.
Or maybe they want to force the attacker into having a greater numerical advantage if they want to succeed, thus giving walled settlements their purpose

>>531229041
this isn't really being honest. sieges in medieval 2 were way less favored for the defender than in empire even though empire had ninja climbing for everyone. a unit of matchlock ashigaru defending a wall in shogun 2 could hold off like 4x its value in attackers. there are way more important factors in sieges than whether you have to build ladders or not.

>>531224025
That Vampire Coast guy, the face of the faction
First name starts with L or something, don't quite remember his name cause he's never really brought up here

>>531220370
Uh, they're not ladders, they're grappling hooks in 3 kingdoms because the Chinese didn't build walls at 90 degree angles.

>>531234175
ladder sniping means that numerical advantage doesn't matter because the greater numbers are useless if they can't get over the walls.

>>531234476
Lokhir is a Dark Elf anon

Good things come to those who wait.

>>531234680
I laughed

>>531234617
Not that anon, but thats something you should be able to fix with simple numbers
>You can build 1 tower, 2 rams or 4 ladders per turn
Now there´s benefit to ladders, but also a tradeoff (tired units and no defense when bringing them to wall). In 2 turns you can build 8: if the defender can bring 8 units simultaneously down before they reach the walls, he wouldnt struggle with the rest of the army either. And large entities can still break down the gates.

>>531230131
I turn off the end turn camera to make the game go faster and because seeing the computer's movements is cheating

>>531214773
>Go play dorfs
>Move the capital with cheats to Brass Keep
>Enjoy kino fights with Empire, Norsca and Vampires with zero cancer abilities

>>531235273
ladders are literally a non-issue if you fix other mechanics. defensive towers should be powerful like empire. units defending walls should completely fuck ones trying to climb. if siege mechanics worked like they should running your infantry up to a defended wall and trying to climb should be the absolute least effective thing you can do and only viable if you outnumber the defenders to the point where you can be attacking a wall with no towers and no defenders, and at that point what does it matter if you have to build the ladder or not?

>>531220370
Ladders should be free.
Honestly, I think community complaints like "ass ladders" are what ruined sieges in TW3. I pray CA doesn't watch any of that shit.

Wasting a turn on sieges just to build ladders for Muh Realism would just make the game worse.
>ooooh but where do the ladders come from, their asses?
There's a guy in your army with the attribute "siege attacker". he has the ladders. End of story. Of if you don't, they build them during the turn you wasted.

The "community" asking for 360 sieges are what brought us the huge and bad siege maps of TW3.

Ladders should stay free. Don't waste my time.
Units should keep being able to walk on walls from the inside. Don't waste my time, don't turn it into a traffic jam.
Fix the Gate bug.
I'd rather they increased garrisons and deleted towers, I'd like a fair fight on the walls, not tower defense.

>>531237671
dogshit opinion only a warhammer babby could hold

There is just too much major settlements on the camopaign map and AI is too pussy to face you on the field most of the time. So you almost always the attacker in sieges. Thats the problem and that problem would be 10 times worse if they buff the garrisons.

>>531237791
hes right tho
Where does anything in your army come from? Who is carrying the food and arrows? How are they maintaining their weapons and armor? So much shit is abstracted to begin with who the fuck cares about some ladders?

>>531237671
Everybody hates assladders because they partially invalidate the point of walls. If the entire enemy melee force can get up on the walls at once at any place on the walls it becomes a game of who has the better melee troops. The fatigue cost helps a little bit but the factions who are playing defense in sieges are mostly ranged-based armies so when 8 Khorne chosen hop the walls they get fucked.

>>531235428
same

>>531239426
explain how this was possible in a game with "ass ladders" then

>>531237671
>>531239426
Obviously the solution is that the player should have ladders and the AI shouldn't have ladders.
>b-but that's not fair game design!
Lol. I can just break my computer any time I so choose and win that way, forever. The computer is completely at my mercy. It's not even a living being, just a stupid fucking machine. I have all the power. There is no such thing as fair.

>>531239293
i care about abstractions when they make the gameplay dogshit like assladders do. walls are basically useless in warhammer which is not the case with any other tw game even the ones that also have pseudo assladders like shogun 2. because unlike warhammer those sieges were designed by good designers who knew how to make them not suck. only warhammer has all these issues, other tw games have 360 sieges that are fun and aren't a chore to play.

Are there any lord types/races with generic lords that can at least come close to matching a fully leveled LL, bar a dedicated caster one? Doesn't even have to be one of the most broken LL's. Maybe Bretonnian Lords? Never really came to mind until recently when a threshold was hit where there's basically a LL from every direction so you're bound to have a generic versus them eventually, and it feels like a total slog.

>>531240316
>has to post from a different game

>>531240316
Because the AI is fucking retarded sometimes. Here's a battle in WH2 where the AI could've used their second army to board other sections of the wall and overwhelm me but it instead decided to funnel all of their troops through the same corridor. The WH3 AI is better at spreading out troops though.

>>531240725
Isn't this a much better way to use a wall IRL than standing on top of it?

>>531240316
because without destroying the wall that your troops are climbing they quickly become exhausted (much more important in shogun 2), many of them will fall off the wall and kill most of the unit, and the climbing is so slow that the defender has ample time to counter it by placing range units strategically which will nearly always break most units before they even reach the top. castles are also layered the more that you upgrade them so the ai has to do this several times. shogun 2 might as well be the poster for assladders that don't completely suck

>>531240520
I mean all generic elven lords are OP as fuck especially the caster ones. Same with mortal chaos lords, generic vampire lord scales well into lategame as well.

>>531241000
If the opponent
>didn't bring artillery to knock walls down
>didn't build battering rams to knock gates down
>is retarded enough to funnel their entire force into your rimworld-tier killbox from one direction
then yes

>>531240520
Saurus lords as Last Defenders can easily get over 1k weapon strength, and slann and kroxigor ancients are both very strong as well
Most races have good lords though, especially now that we have stronger items

>>531240520
You can load dwarf generic lords with roons and they become killing machines

>>531241320
Even in the Napoleonic era, using artillery to blast open the entire side of a city wall wasn't something that happened. If you make a breech, you have to go through it and into the town where you can't just demolish the buildings. The defender then has the liberty to use the walls to funnel you along their routes.
It would be pointless to set all your regiments on the walls because it would be equally pointless for the enemy to try to mass climb them.

I really just don't think sieges mesh well with Warhammer. You could design a swiss cheese fort for Dwarfs and I'd still not play it offensively because most of that time is gonna be spent chewing through every last armored manlet. Removing ass ladders would help but if you have the mod for it you can see they still kind of suck even with the best community maps. So many factions' exploitable weaknesses like slow movement and weak morale go out the door and it's really just a series of corridors to rush down the VP, which if you're defending you MUST defend with everything because a single flying hero getting on it means game over. I think the problems are mitigated by like 3 VP's and wider corridors but I still don't see them ever being enjoyable as the attacker. I think perhaps the best way you could do it would be some sort of city destruction/bodies in the walls method of penalizing morale for defenders so that they're encouraged to proactively defend every inch of the city and stem the tide like an actual siege as opposed to letting the enemy run amok up until the end and then fighting, but I still don't think it'd be anything I'd play unless necessary or every once in a blue moon

>>531240725
I was being attacked from 3 different directions in that battle. I thought I was going to lose for sure and was surprised when I won.

>because without destroying the wall that your troops are climbing they quickly become exhausted (much more important in shogun 2), many of them will fall off the wall and kill most of the unit, and the climbing is so slow that the defender has ample time to counter it by placing range units strategically which will nearly always break most units before they even reach the top.
ok now explain why they can't do this in soihammer. literally just make it so climbing is slower and units on ladders have 0 md and lose any missile block chance and climbing becomes way less effective.

>>531240316
Shogun II sieges had multiple "tiers" of walls, with redoubts for defenders that had firing zones over the next stage of walls. Warhammer walls have ridiculously strong towers and 0 redoubts once the wall is climbed by the enemy's T3 infantry with assladders.

>>531237671
How about we give generals a siege trait that lets them pre-build a some ladders / a tower or 2 with trait investment, or, alternatively, how about your giant fucking troll can just whack through a wall because it's a 50 ft tall troll

>>531240520
Ogre Tyrants, all dragon mounted characters, master engineer on steam tank, Nurgle and Tzeentch Chaos Lords, Celestial General on the lion,Tomb King on warsphinx, Exalted Bloodthirster and I'm gonna say Skaven Warlord on a Brood Horror because of regeneration.

Tides of Torment:
Dechala (Slaanesh)
Sayl (Norsca)
Aislinn (High Elves)
The Masque (FLC Slaanesh)

December showcase FLC:
Egrimm van Horstmann (FLC Tzeentch)

Standalone Neferata DLC:
Neferata (Vampire Counts)
The Red Duke (FLC Vampire Counts)

Standalone Li Dao DLC:
Li Dao (Cathay)
Yin Yin (FLC Cathay)

The End of Times:
Nagash (Undead Legion)
Valten (Empire)
Thanquol (Skaven)
Glottkin (Nurgle)
Monkey King (Cathay)
Boris Todbringer (FLC Empire)

>>531243273
>December showcase FLC:
>Egrimm van Horstmann (FLC Tzeentch)
Honestly? Seeing as CA announced the delay with the promise of buttering us up with the amount of content of the final product, I could see them going the extra mile and releasing Egrimm as a SECOND FLC in the very same patch.

A bit too optimistic, perhaps, but I'd say the devs are worried enough to try and appease the playerbase like this.

Reminder

Sands of Suffering
Winds of War
Clouds of Catastrophe
Mountains of Madness
Plains of Pain
Lakes of Loss
Rivers of Revenge
Forests of Fear

>>531240316
Well first because climbing walls in Shogun 2 is actually something that affects fatigue much harder, causes casualties in the unit from soldiers falling to their deaths, and they still get shot while climbing the ladders. Second, because the walls give directly to open ground, you don't climb it and still find yourself "locked in". That means as the defender you can set up formations to greet them on top of them, the enemy climbing the walls is ironically less of an issue. And for last, because sieges in Shogun 2 are multilayered, there's usually more than one level and you can set up overlapping fields of fire as well as defensive lines covered by direct vision fire.

In Warhammer, you've got one single line of defence and it can potentially be more of a boon for the enemy than for you.

>>531243081
Unfortunately since Throgg came and unionized them using trolls to smash into blunt objects is basically forbidden. Even though they receive extra hazard pay on top of higher base pay (800/16=50 CGD[Chaos God Dollars] contractual base, 200 per turn/16=12.5 CGD base pay. Chosen make 3.9 CGD starting, btw) most trolls will refuse to smash walls citing potential harm or stall discussions using union reps until the siege is over because the defender starved. It's a sad state of affairs, but since Throgg controls the labor supply and will picket anyone who employs non-union Trolls the entire Norscan economy is held captive by them

>>531244171
>Well first because climbing walls in Shogun 2 is actually something that affects fatigue much harder, causes casualties in the unit from soldiers falling to their deaths, and they still get shot while climbing the ladders.
why can't you do this in soihammer?

> Second, because the walls give directly to open ground, you don't climb it and still find yourself "locked in". That means as the defender you can set up formations to greet them on top of them, the enemy climbing the walls is ironically less of an issue.
didn't matter in my example because I had zero melee infantry. you can just put your first line of shooters on the walls and your second line on the ground inside the walls and it would have the same effect.

how could mannlet think that nagash was weak
is he stupid?

>>531245157
>you can just put your first line of shooters on the walls and your second line on the ground inside the walls
...yes anon that's what we in the business of vnderstanding call a formation. "Formation" is not just the funny "stat goes up" button CA sometimes adds to units.

total wawr is a good game becaue I SAID SO OK

A reminder that CA owes us two FLC lords for Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs and Shadows of Change.
We do not forget... but we may eventually forgive.

>>531245451
ok but being on the wall of level with the ground doesn't matter when you only have gunmanii. actually being up on the walls is better because then you can have two rows of guns shooting them without obstructing each other.

>>531246129
*3 FLC lords because the chaos dwarfs dlc was only 3 lords

>>531246458
YES, anon, that is why I said Shogun 2 walls are an actual advantage. Putting gunners on the walls in Warhammer is just suiciding your gunners, which is fucking stupid. That's why Shogun 2 having ass ladders is not as big of a dealbreaker as they are in Warhammer.

>>531243885
Grims of grave

In the grim darkness of the near future there is only RAPE

Kislev

>>531247593
Ahem, actually CHUD that is non canon!
Just like how GW wokt even mention Araby in their new material, they will acknowledge nasty, fimir stuff :)

I like the path blockers in sieges
What I absolutely hate is placement towers (stupid ass idea) and how fragile the blockers are, they should have a shitload of armor at the very least

>>531247775
This dude should have been a unique lord that you can unlock through new Kislev mechanic. That model + only says kislev + a unique trait that gives relations with empire and buffs units when fighting against chaos.

when are we getting war wagons (kossar pistols) for kislev?

>>531248785
when do we get anonymous (high-quality posts) for /twg/?

Not having armour or artillery hurts. Or even any mounted/fast units.

>>531249053
we already have that

>>531249232
Unusually based build for this general

>>531249053
That would be too OP.

what's the recommended Thrones of Britannia overhaul
Shieldwall, yeah? Or is Radious actually good for this?

>>531249446
that guy has been playing the same army for at least 3 years that I know of, so maybe longer, you are witnessing insanity and the deterioration of the human mind into mush. do not encourage him further

>>531249446
Still very early on (turn 9). I'm recruiting more pistol militia and will eventually swap out the melee militia for some Ogres. No heroes (they're all undead); going for a living-only run. I guess I'll also ally with somebody like Franz for some cavalry, even if just pistoleers to keep the theme.
>>531249615
I'm not that guy, the one who renames his army to some weird shit (I forgot what it was now). I posted about the Sartosa mods with some other anon last thread I think it was.

>>531249232
now fight that battle again without cheats

>>531249601
lol

>>531246759
no you aren't understanding. there's no fundamental difference between left and right here.

>>531250205
Are those ninjas or monks or turtles or badly done asian eyes on the right

>>531243273
No way we're getting all that, there's two more DLCs including ToT, tops

>>531243789
>pre-Hyenas
>>531246662
4 since Chorfs was more expensive

>>531250362
Little single-lord DLCs change that. We probably aren't getting more than 2 big DLCs but we could definitely get a few smaller ones.

>>531249053
Long gone since Atilla aka last historical Title

A little fun fact for all of you: CA have actually been thinking about character-only DLCs since before the release of Thrones of Decay. They even prompted content creators to talk to their audiences about the idea of having a character-only DLC.

>>531250803
thanks for keeping us informed Clio

>>531249708
Found it.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/%22tomboy%20mafia%22/

>>531249601
Shieldwall is unfinished probably Radious is better.


Game is so bland and boring Mods can´t help it

post them

>>531243273
hounds of conflict sisters...?

>>531250205
there is a major fundamental difference you left out on the right, the layering of the castles and units falling down constantly. you are being completely disingenuous, even high tier units can be crushed and routed before they get up the wall in shogun 2, while a stack of chosenmanii just make your walls useless

>>531251509
why is their a strange gap and red dots above the image in your post

>>531252220
dunno probably from croping

>>531252651
>wasting disk size with Pharaoh

>>531253102
it's not a waste when it's a good and fun game, i have quite a few hours in it. it's on part with 3k in terms of great campaign mechanics

>>531253102
seethe faggot

>>531249232
That's why I feel it's better to lean in to the melee rush. Pistols are only worth it in a few match ups, namely beastmen, ogres, demons, and counts. Otherwise swords all day with as few maneaters if you can afford them.

>>531249615
You called? .

>>531253809
I'm waiting for the 1v4 0 casualties battle

>>531254126
>I'm waiting for the 1 LL 19 heroes battle

>>531253328
Holy based

>>531252048
>the layering of the castles
fundamentally no different from having multiple rings of walls like in medieval 2

>units falling down constantly
and what's stopping this from being in soihammer? they could even port lethality in from pharaoh and make it so if a unit is climbing and takes damage there's a certain chance for it to instantly die. the point is that this obsession with ladders is some r*ddit fixation and the problems with sieges have nothing to do with ladders and everything to do with the actual number mechanics of defenses.

>>531251509
uwu

>>531253809
when enticity did this autism he made like half pistols

Imagine starting the campaign as a continent-spanning empire and your primary objective isn't to expand and conquer but to consolidate and survive.

>>531255583
Barbarian Invasion/Attila moment

>>531254126
Would you settle for the exact opposite?

sounds gay

>>531255583
That exists, its called the Western Roman Empire in Attila or playing as the emperor in the 3K scenario Mandate of Heaven

>>531193028
I don't want 40gay and I don't want 40faggots in these threads

>>531255738
it's fine they can make their own general if that happens

Place your bets

>>531255682
yes but only because that is such a bad matchup

I want 40KINO and 40KINOKINGS in these threads

>>531255738
You can't say that, you'll make the old men shit their daipers

>>531255889
Over faster than I thought

>>531193572
A mechanic about reclaiming Elf Colonies would be cool as fuck. Also, why the fuck is Cathay under Khuresh in this picture?

>>531255997
Now that you mention it I remember Eternal Crusade threads. Those guys were hyped up and down about a game that didn't exist and had all sorts of dreams and near generals for it, the poor souls. That could never happen here

Am I supposed to use wagons/ranged chariots as ranged or melee?
Their ranged output is laghably bad

>>531257258
>Also, why the fuck is Cathay under Khuresh in this picture?
Old pic made way back when Cathay was an afterthought and people didn't care much about keeping its lore consistent. In recent years they made it so that it's an in-universe map about High elf colonies, with people calling it's accuracy into question precisely because of such a blatant fuck-up. One Jacob Stackeldhorf.

Am I shit at the game, or are ranged lords/heroes kinda bad?
You usually don't want lords away from the frontline tanking hits, unless they are actively buffing your backline

>>531249601
just get the minor settlement garrisons mod
base game is fun enough without needing autistic mods imo

>>531257258
>A mechanic about reclaiming Elf Colonies
That's for the MALEKITH, TRVE HEIR OF AENARION, you assur faggot.

>>531257535
Range attack melee units to soften them up
Melee ranged units to stop them from firing.

>>531251509
fun series
like it very much :D

>>531257802
Post colonies, drucuck.

>>531257802
no dick because it burned off and no dlc

>>531257691
they are generally bad but there is one faggot in this general who will fight you to the death like a rabid beast, telling you they are good and even op

>>531257802
In all honesty, I unironically believe that Malekith should get a special mechanic where if he takes the entire donut and wipes out the main Helf factions his faction changes to a weird hybrid between Dark Elves and High Elves, letting him recruit units from both factions but making him an enemy of all other Dark Elves.

>>531258486
>straps a big ass shield to his back
>makes the rest of Europe seethe and cope
Milanese Crossbowmen, my beloved.

>>531258446
I'm not opposed to the idea but there wouldn't be any Dark Elf factions left besides maybe Malus and a single province Lokhir by the time that happens, and it might not even be him vs all Helves and instead just Tyrion since he blobs instantly if N'kari doesn't buckbreak him

>>531258446
that would be a little too railroady but they could do something simpler, like give him a way to force vassalate other elf races, and increase the army cap for allied units
at least something to represent uniting the elves

>>531258684
*gets hit in the front*
nice shield

>>531258728
>there wouldn't be any Dark Elf factions left besides maybe Malus and a single province Lokhir by the time that happens
Good point. Though Morathi always seems to infest a good chunk of the map whenever I play. Maybe instead it would be like a personal end game event in which a shit ton of Dark Elf armies spawn and immediately attack just (you).
>>531258738
>but they could do something simpler, like give him a way to force vassalate other elf races, and increase the army cap for allied units
That would be pretty cool, and way more plausible.

>>531258486
What a trustworthy fellow, if I ally with him I can secure one of my borders to concentrate on an enemy elsewhere.

Why this pike kislev unit from the DLC is so fucking cost effective?
Jesus christ I swear I can throw them at retarded shit like khorne berzerkers and they will survive the battle

>>531258486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l80_R2HvXIU

>>531259157
Yep, retarded unit for an even more retarded faction. I still remember this general and forums for TW3 when they first came out.

>>531259157
T1 good stats with AP as a base with standard unit size and By Our Blood. The only thing holding Kislev back from being bar none the most annoying faction in the game(instead they just give Skaven a run for their money) is that the faction is a bunch of hybrids, you can see with stuff like Hyena Ambushers and Things From The Woods that when they don't bother making them do two things at once they do the one thing they can far above the point of reason

>>531259157
Because it takes infinity turns to start getting fun units and you need something to carry you with your destitute economy

kislev needs strong units with all the shit they go up against in campaign, the only ones complaining about a t1 unit are mpniggers

I'm so lucky this asshole never built an infantry barracks

>>531257258
Every faction should get a special bonus for taking all of their ancestral land. Reuniting the Caliphate in the Araby mod was one of my favorite campaigns in WH2.

AAAAAAAAAAAA JUST LET ME RECRUIT THE FUCKING UNITS

>>531247593
Based and Fimirpilled.

>>531257802
you will never be a real Phoenix king. You have no remaining LLs. You have no upcoming DLCs. You have no more reworks. You are a twisted perversion of Asuryan perfection. Your war council is nice to your face, but everyone goes to have sex parties with your mom in Ghrond and mocks you behind your back.

>>531259157
>He doesn't know about the chad peasantmani

>>531260945
>peasantmani (a lot of gunpowder)

Slaaneshmanii how we doing? I don't care about any other part of the DLC but the Slaanesh updates, I just want more fast moving rape engines and a start that isn't Azazel's and especially isn't N'kari's

>>531260945
I can't tell if they meant fearsome or purposely chose the weirder way to say it

>>531261336
Built for vore

>>531261336
i played a slaanesh campaign drugged out of my mind on painkillers when wh3 first came out, it was a very enjoyable experience but i haven't been able to really get into them since other than a short sigvald campaign
a couple more months to wait is nothing

>>531261529
'fierce' is a word too.

>>531261336
CA has to know that the people want to see more snakes, so why the fuck are they refusing to make a Khuresh faction?
I want my South East Asian vampire sneks and I want them now.

>>531257535
a war wagon that stays online for the entire battle will do more damage than a handgun that gets 2 volleys off and then gets shut down by a bat or a squig or something.

So, TK confederations. Yay or Nay? I feel like Settra being able to confed Khalida and Khatep would make those two even more irrelevant (unless they get unique mechanics ofc).

Khalida probably going to be able to hire G&F and some Cathay relations, but i have no idea what would Khatep unique. Arkhan will wait his daddy to be relevant i guess.

Amusing (and a little sad) watching the damage dealt to Dawi with pistols. Each shot is single digit damage.

>>531262626
if they do confederations the normal way or not i couldn't care less because i don't confederate unless there's a faction mechanic tied to it (which they should not have nay)
arkhan should get liche priests with the lore of vampires

>>531192786 (OP)
Most underrated TWW3 legendary lord?

INCOMPLETE PEACE: PEACESCREWDRIVER -3: GUTTERS OF GROWTH

>>531262626
I only support it because only having your LL and one single generic lord option is miserable

>>531262626
Nay, they all hate each other, heres how you make them unique
>Arkhan
TK vanilla campaign but with vampiric corruption, Arkhan the Black will have the ability to confederate Mannfred and Neferata (future) and summon warhosts of undead due to his connection with Nagash
>Khatep
TK vanilla campaign but now Khatep is able to use his grand liche powers to turn any terrain into a desert, will have scrolls as currency that will let him have certain types of buffs regarding his land, combat buffs or magic
>Khalida
TK vanilla campaign but she has great diplomacy with the ordertide, she gets special trade options that gives her access to units from other factions as mercenaries (seperate from allied recruitment), Gotrek and Felix can join her and her campaign is in direct opposition of Neferata
>Settra
A mixture of Chao campaign mixed with TK, Settra is now a horde army and he can only settle in settlements of Nehekara, as a tradeoff Nehekara settlements dont follow the average rules and can all be upgraded to T5, he will get constant missions to defend his lands from Norscan/Chaos warbands that routinely respawn

>>531263263
and what's the reason you weren't using them to shoot the slayers (unarmored)?

alright, i have a quiz for you, anons
You're playing as Red and fighting Purple, and are advancing on their capital with a 3/4 strength army; you had previously advanced to bridge in hopes of getting a chokepoint battle, but your enemy Entrenched at 1/2 strength instead of attacking. That means you must strike before they get an advantage in numbers of your army!
Now, when you march your army against them, who now are at 3/4 strength. What will they do?
A: retreat towards the coast, one distance away from your army, so you have to spend two turns trying to engage them?
B: retreat back to their city, where they can link up with their garrison and get more soliders?
C: enter the nearby woods and go into ambush stance?
D: enter the hilly area and use its defensive bonuses to Entrench again?
E: stand and fight

>>531261661
Which painkillers? I was on Lyrica for a while, and I had no idea how intoxicated that medication actually makes you. Its prescribed as a "nerve blocker" but it's basically alcohol in a pill

>>531265757
Wait, but Im red, why are you giving me options on what purple can do instead?

>>531266284
you have to anticipate your enemy to win, family! What will AI do when you're trying to attack with an equal sized army?

>>531265930
it was some kind of oxy i don't remember what but i had it prescribed at the time and it was nice

>>531260945
I remember in my last Cathay campaign that endgame peasants with all of the tech unlocked have something like 60 armour and 50md, ward save and 90% spell resistance lel

>>531265757
Isn't this the start of a Teclis campaign?

>>531266442
squishy sexy tum-tum makes me want to lick and nuzzle and squeeze and squish and caress her soft and tender midsection and navel
good shape too, you know she takes care of herself
uuuuuuuooooohhh

>>531266442
The Supreme Sorc's neuron activation belly

>>531265757
that's right! It was F, Purple retreats back towards your town and now has the free ability to attack it the next turn
meanwhile, they've started raising a whole new army in their capital so you can do this same song and dance all over again
but i also had A-D happen to me in the past 10 turns

any other mods that change the map like old world?

>>531265757
split my army into 3 with 2 ready to make an invasion on each purple city by sea while the third baits the defending army away. once the enemy loses all of its cities the faction will be eliminated and the main army will turn into a rogue army that's easily dealt with. I used this exact strategy in that general geography even to defeat shimazu in shogun 2.

>>531267871
immortal empires expanded + lccp

>blink
>my elemental bear is dead
I hate SEM

>>531266556
Oh, I read that wrong, I see! Well, it depends on the difficulty and the game's AI, doesn't it? Using Warhammer as a reference, most likely options would be B and D? A would not happen unless they decided to move closer and retreated and that doesnt count, E is unlikely if your army has a positive AR victory and since you have 3/4 strength and theyre at 1/2 they probably wont take that outcome unless there is a hidden army I spotted on the turn before. Although C is possible I dont think the AI that ambushes ever moves far from where it currently is, those trees seem out of the way theyd usually ambush in the fastest path. Now to narrow it further, from what I have seen in most campaigns, D is an option depending on if the defensive bonuses they get leads to a less favorable AR victory, namely a pyrrhic victory where you lose multiple units but the actions Ive seen more often than not with setting up bait armies is B, so my final answer is B!

>>531261336
Suffering, I've wanted a Slaanesh DLC since 2022 and am beyond furious that almost 3.5 years after launch we still don't fucking have it. Holy fucking god I'm just waiting for the announcement that Tides has been delayed until January 2026 so I can fly to Horsham and firebomb their offices.
Shitty blog even saying that what they showed us before might not even be accurate anymore, JFC what a fucking mess 2025 has been for this game.

>>531265757
Numbers are mostly meaningless to me, equal footing means I'm heavily outnumbered, I delete 2 units from my army and press next turn button, since AI think like you it attack me and lose, turn process and I'm almost at the city I will take the next turn.

>>531266284
>>531268202
what is this creature

>>531268518
family

>>531268518
A friend and a crossposter that uses this general too who accidentally posted the wrong picture while replying to someone else

Should I?

>>531269052
No, he's on the backfoot. After ten turns of peace he'll attack you again with four full armies of chaosmanii.
Finish him.

>>531269052
Might not be a bad idea to take the deal and then finish off Arbaallsack before declaring war on Archaon again

>>531269052
If I've learned anything from total war it's that you never let an enemy live or they'll just fuck you in the ass later

>>531269052
*waits until you're in a war on the other side of your country and invades with 5 stacks* uwu

>>531269052
Take the peace deal, start gifting him regions so that he allies with you, build an outpost in his main base, start recruiting Chosen in all of your armies.

>>531269430
I don't think Ursun would approve of such a thing.

>>531269430
B-by Ursun!

>>531269618
nobody gives a fuck about Ursun, Chosen are cool

>>531269170
>>531269196
Warriors of Chaos can replenish their forces almost instantly, as these anons said, Archaon is on the defensive now, if you allow him breathing room he will have a shit ton of stacks coming for you even if you take the peace treaty solely to finish off Arbaal like >>531269182 said but you should hopefully be able to whittle away at Arbaal, eventually finishing that sissy off while keeping a defense force on your coast just in case Archaon tries to land there

>>531266903
Yeah, the darkshart looks like he works out for sure.

>>531269170
>>531269182
>>531269196
>>531269395
>>531269430
I had to peace te fucker out, daniel declared war on me in an undefended front

>>531266442
10/10, would enslave this druchii sorceress in an Altdorf dungeon, plaster dispell scrolls all around her while wielding the Silver Seal and turning her from a murder crazy druchii into my personal cock crazy breeding sow

>>531270065
gay

>>531270459
A Kislev man's struggle.

>>531270497
I would keep her as a teacher in my royal court, teaching the young boys about safe sex

>>531265757
In Rome 2 or Attila? Purple attacks.
In Shogun 2 or Warhammer? Purple runs back to its capital, where, next turn, you see it has 3 full stacks, 2 of chaff and 1 of endgame units. On turn 20.

>>531270745
Real 1

>>531262259
>CA has to know that the people want to see more snakes
/twg/ yearns for Tehenhauin gaming

>>531270459
>Daniel
The only time hes felt like a legit threat was when I played a recent Boris VH/VH campaign, fucker would declare war on me while im trying to finish Tamurkhan off, thankfully AR meant I just needed an Ice Witch Lord, a few Kossars and AR would give me favorable results dealing with him, he was some nice free exp, it was just annoying to constantly need a new set of Kossars ready as well as some on the very first province you get with Boris. After Tamurkhan went down I was free to return to my capital and destroy him pretty easily

>>531270957
Oh and also his trait was useless in my campaign because by the time I returned to Kislev proper, Katarin was down to 1 settlement (and it wasnt even Kislev proper) while Kostaltyn had been wiped out and the rats/Azazel had moved in. What followed was an annoying war with ratstacks

has anyone tried to have a fun meme campaign where you play as a Chaos faction, farm Daniels shit trait with multiple Lords, then become friends with Kislev due to owning 6 lords with that trait and going into positive relations with them?

>>531270957
>>531271178
Why his armies are so shit?
I just repelled one of his stacks with an attaman and a boyar + t3 garrison, no yellow buildings
wtf

>>531271434
no, the closest thing to that I've done is joining Kislev as Isabella in the war against chaos and recruiting 4 little groms in every army
have you?

>>531262259
>>531270906
KHURESSSSHI VIPERSSSS

>>531271693
He needs to actually commit to one of the gods or he gets jack shit, and AI Danny is too busy getting gangbanged by Malus/Epidemius/Malakai to get the ball rolling

>>531271693
I think its his AR which is atrocious and brings the rest of the army down but also his starting army is dogshit
>flying unit but has no magic or armor
>shit tier stats even with good body pieces
>has 0 lineholders because all his units are squishy
>he cant even stay in sustained combat due to his shit base stats
Its such a shitshow of a campaign, my respect to the autists that have decided to learn and enjoy him but their idea of fun sounds like torture

>>531271861
The most fun meme thing I did was become friends with Alith Anar and Alarielle as Grombrindal. Alith Anar almost died to the combined forces of Clyostra, Taurox and Hellebron so I swooped in, saved him and gifted him territories for money while we fought off the annoying obese woman. Eventually Alarielle decided to join us which I had no idea id even met her and the first thing she did was offer me a couple thousand in gold and a trade agreement.

>>531263690
tretch

>>531272567
unconventional alliances are a lot easier to do now with minor faction potential, it's a lot of fun to mess around with allies now

>>531273026
tretch is op from turn 1 because he gives devastating flanker to his entire army, and starts out with some of the skaven's best flanking units. The bonuses to scurry away and lvl 9 infantry are good too
I just wish he could give more lords in his faction devastating flanker, it feels depressing using other lords in his faction

Daniel will never get fixed will he?

>>531273923
No because Belakor exists

>>531273812
yeah devastating flanker wolf rats are fucking retarded, it's great

>>531273923
Holding on to the delusion that they're just waiting for all the chaos DLC/end times before touching him
Managing all that shit must be a real pain when it just gets changed every patch
I don't think he ever got the changes to Khorne's bloodletting so dedicating yourself to him just penalizes you if you can't get enough momentum

>>531274484
Theres a higher chance that VCoast will get a rework than Daniel

>>531274703
If CA so much as blinks at VCoast, GW will create a liveleak video to remind the world you must buy the LOOISENNNSSEE

>>531237671
>Don't waste my time
>Don't waste my time
see this is the actual problem with the game and the fact that you waste 1 turn building siege weapons is unacceptable because of the horrible campaign layer being all about snowballing and in general being completely braindead

>bad start position
>bad starting army comp
>sandwiched between multiple strong LLs
>awful gold income
>stats so bad he loses to Greasus in a 1v1
CA intentionally going out of their way to make Daniel shit is based desu

>Start playing pharaoh
>Try to use the court system
>Cannot use court actions because there is supposedly a "dilemma"
>Basically unable to do anything with the court
>Look up the issue
>Apparently it's a bug where the advisor popping up is considered a dilemma, and the dilemma doesn't go away when he is dismissed
>This bug has been complained about since fucking september
Fix this fucking game you lazy British/Balkan cunts.
>Captcha:NTRGY

>>531251306
too bad, I'm on a Scottish history binge but I already played as Circenn so I'm doing Strathcylde

>>531275432
Shit factions get shit start pos
see teclis

>>531275872
Theyre going to give Teclis something similar to what Gelt got with his mage college mechanics, its probably gonna end up being overtuned too

>>531275104
that doesn't change the fact that the game is designed like this, they gave every ll siege attacker for a reason. If everyone is besieging all the time the only viable strategy is to stack armies because the ai is doing it, it got really tedious in wh2 fighting several 4v4 battles every turn
and he's still right about the fact that ass ladders are still far from the worst issue with sieges, they have a lot of core mechanical issues which need to be addressed first

>net > shoot into ogre charge
Holy. And holey.

>>531265045
These are actually some cool changes, but i think Khalida needs her skill tree to get better talents. Her awful faction buff needs to be changed to army wide instead of an aura too to at least make it passable.

Hate that ARing is sometimes the best option than fighting a battle manually it wiping out the entire enemy is a bit silly

>does this on the same turn I destroy his enemy (Repanse)
And some of you say the AI is predictable, or boring.

>>531277385
based arkhan

>>531224025
Fact: Aranessa full name is Arnanessa Anja Saltspite.

>>531275104
this is a player mindset problem. you don't have to play like a bald faggot. just play slow what's the worst that can happen?
>but the ai will snowball too hard because of cheats
so turn the fucking cheats off
>but then it will be too easy
how can it be both too easy but also too hard?

>>531277385
This is why you spend your gold on your end turn so the enemy AI doesnt do that

>>531277385
The AI has its moments

>>531275104
Play on hard/normal man, you don't need to maximize every single turn you have in those difficulties

>>531270498
Th... That's the joke

>>531278415
no i need mods to make the game more difficult than legendary because the ai is useless at keeping me entertained for more than 20 turns

>>531275526
Just disable the advisor like I do, I've never had that issue as a result apparently.

Are any of 3K DLCs any good?

>>531276216
the siege battles dont feel like they mean anything its just the same grind to get it over with because the campaign layer is so shallow and the only "resource" that matters is time
taking the capital of an entire race feels the exact same as taking some literalwhoville on the outskirts of civilization and winning a siege gets you a settlement to build more money making buildings
you then proceed to siege the next settlement to get more money making buildings

>>531280036
Mandate of Heaven is good if you want to play as the Yellow Turbans or the Emperor, A World Betrayed primarily for Lu Bu and Sun Ces campaigns, Furious Wilds for what is basically fantasy units in 3K and the other Yellow Turban stuff too. The rest is skippable.

>>531280036
You're gonna need all of them for a lot of mods, even Eight Princes as dogshit as it is is often required for mods that backport some of its mechanics to the main game.

I think Greenskins are the most OP AI faction in the entire game woe is you if you fucking start near a major greenskin faction because they WILL have big uns, trolls, mangler squigs, night goblins, snotling pump wagons turn 5 with a 40 stack waaagh army

>>531281115
Do any of them add anything to the default start without mods?

>>531283232
I think some of the new units from those start dates are in the default start date, yeah, I don't think you get any playable factions in 190 from those DLCs though.

Total War is the only RTS where I don't use control groups. I just don't respect this game enough to do that. Sorry not sorry.

>>531283232
cataphracts are from 8 princes but i dont even know if they were added to the base game for free or not since i bought some full edition years ago because it was cheaper than the version without 8 princes

>>531284190
>clicking to select units

>>531284190
I don't as well but not out of spite just can't be bothered

>>531284190
>t dwarf player who stands still at 4x speed while he whacks it to interspecies elf x human sex

>>531281205
Waaaghs should gain units from winning battles and raiding. Losing a battle should immediately disband the waaagh army.

I get stable 60 fps on every map, except when fighting certain Cathay maps where it drops to 30 fps. FIX YOUR GAME CA FFS!

>>531285174
Wrong I play Empire and Kislev

Imagine being Karl Franz forma de Sigmar and marrying Katarin and killing everything in the world so you can repopulate Malleus with a new humanity together with your powerful totalitarian dictator ice wife.

>>531285921
gpus fear the rice paddy

>>531285921
The chinese eye can't see more than 30fps

>>531286638
Tell me about it! That map with rice fileds is the worst!

>>531212945
If anything, Azazel is on Morathi's island list.

>>531286721
God damn I really want to play Cathay but low fps turns me off so hard.

Ok so it's not entirely true that provinces are all interchangeable is WH3. There are trade goods associated with each region, for what it's worth. From what I gathered from a quick google search these are mostly just semi-specific faction bonuses. My question is, what exactly is the relation between the quantities of the good you have at your disposal and the amount of upkeep they save you from the effected units, and more importantly, will the AI correctly identify and favor trade deals where you supply them with a relevant trade good for a unit of theirs?

>>531285921
This has been an issue since launch btw (2022)

>>531277385
>You threaten the AI for money
Your reliability tanks and everyone hates you, even factions that are at war with threatened faction
>AI threatens you for money
It´s alright we´ll let this one slide :)

I hate every facet of the game being laden with AI cheats

>>531281205
Use one of the few tricks to ensure you fight them so their waaagh reinforcement is void.
>>531284190
>Auto-resolve hero doesn't use control groups

>>531287089
Not just that, but see how we share an NAP, trade, and military access. And there was nothing in the negative list too (e.g. raiding would be a negative in the diplomacy influence). Weird game sometimes.

>>531286869
>relevant trade good for unit of theirs
The resource building is just money with extra steps. Cant have complexity in the way of mashing cool dragons together. The buffs only affect the faction owning the resource IF they have unique version of the resource building (so for example Iron may give certain unit slightly higher armor or lower upkeep), but trading that resource in wont affect other faction in any way.

CHaos dwarfs ROC campaign or IE map. Which is better?

>>531287742
RoC is actually not bad when you dont have to deal with portals, and the reward for following the objectives is fun

>>531287839
ROC it is then!

>>531287604
what? what the fuck is the point of goods being involved in trading then? Here I was thinking how neat it was that there was some reason to engage in friendly diplomacy and some use for trade agreements other than just annunscalable amount of income that isnrelevant only for the firat 20 turns... Seriously, why the fuck is it like that? That has to be intentional. All they had to do was enable the buffs if you have the resource from any source.

Are you trolling me?

>>531287941
RoC also has more campaign mechanics than just "blob lmao". Definitely recommend it for Chaos Dwarves.
Also, swapping your starting base to Brass Keep in IE is peak fun.

we need to split between historical and fantasy /twg/ again
especially with the influx of 40Kiddies

>>531288170
40K is historical and there won't be a need to split because fantasy posters won't be able to get a post in past all the Space Marine posters.

>>531288354
>40K is historical
just stop

>>531287959
Nope, not trolling. You´re expecting depth in a game where campaign is basically "growth money walls". Warhammer´s campaign map is extremely shallow.

>>531288436
pharaoh chads stay winning

>>531288396
It's just history that hasn't happened yet.

Imperial compliance soon, friends!

>>531286869
>>531287959
total warhammer campaign gameplay is like story in doom

>>531288436
there must be a reason for goods to be in trades though. It can't literally just be an icon in the ui... right? Someone had to program the game so that the goods were involved in the trading proposals, so they must have had aome reason to do that instead of just not.... Right?

crazy how people will still claim that the campaign layer is the main part of the game even when confronted with the fact that every aspect of it is dumbed down and retarded.

>>531288656
They are lost technology, like so many more things. There even used to be small ships / caravans going from one place to another, visually carrying whatever you are trading. You can still see these in Pharaoh.
To name a few, other things that exist in Pharaoh/3k but are missing from WH: Fire being able to set forests aflame, artillery that can be placed on walls, officers/bannermen in units, buildings you have in city physically existing in siege map and able to be damaged by artillery, pre-battle deployables like caltrops and stakes, army supplies that can run out, population that has to be managed, military contracts and deeper diplomacy, spies and weather that affects the combat

>>531289026
Fuck off fascist chud

>>531288656
more goods = more money and higher quantity of said goods = even more money
ai likes money so they will accept a lucrative trade deal more easily
the game is also expertly programmed to make trade deals past the first 3 more and more difficult to make for no reason whatsoever (the ai simply has a growing penalty to making a trade deal with you even if they benefit from it greatly aswell)
pic related the target audience

>>531251509
>That pirated troy
Lmao

>>531287839
Agreed. The portals alone are unfun and boring. Recently played Elspeth on RoC and it was actually good fun and a good chance of pace and scenery.

>>531289438
he likely claimed it for free on Epic

>>531289026
>>531289312
Eh fuck it, I guess this little experiment of trying WH is ending early. It was fun for the novelty anyway. Back to Dynasties/3k I guess...

I'm about 60 turns into a wood elf campaign (sisters) and I already want to play another campaign probably Durthu
Which other races have interesting enough LLs that you want to play multiple campaigns with them?

My Drazhoath has 101 speed without a banner. Do you think it's worth it to give him expeditious endeavour on top of that? I have my doubts, maybe I'd rather pick spell resistance and an extra veteran red line skill instead.

>>531289760
All of them, but some more than others (more LL, and/or more fun). For me Kislev is the worst for this, Ostankya is the only reasonable K*slev LL and you only build beasts too. I know I've finished each Empire LL's campaign multiple times each for example, so they're a good faction for your question.

>>531289760
Well, this is my fifth Drazhoath run (two were abortive) and I must say I enjoy killing 100's of elite orc infantry with my flames of azgorh like a complete retard. But I'm a diehard Chorf fanatic and I want my Chorfs to be red like in TT and I also want to do a WC this time and then play the Monogods for a while.

Lemme fink about it...my Chorf runs so far have been:
>Astragoth N/N long victory, 2 false starts until I realized who's to blame for all the Chorfs' problems
>Drazhoath N/N long victory, 5 or more false starts until I learned the techs and who to gank in the thunderdome
>Zhatan VH/VH domination victory
>Zhatan L/VH RoC campaign victory
>Drazhoath L/VH migration to Naggaroth campaign, quit cause of Helf SEM spam
>Drazhoath L/VH RoC with the intent of doing the artefact quest battle with the daemons I had skipped last time, quit cause of Empire SEM spam
>Astragoth L/VH run away from Grimgor migration into Kislev campaign, stopped playing cause of Chorf fatigue
>current Drazhoath L/VH WC campaign 6 months later, just killed Grimgor on turn 36, killed Imrik and Tretch too, looking good

>>531289847
If it grants him Strider, yes. Strider removes penalties from charging uphill and fighting in forests.

>>531290715
no it doesn't, and he flies anyway

>>531290770
Shame, then it might not be worth it. Strider is always great, since you get 20% ma penalty for fighting uphill and sometimes you have to engage in forests, where large units are penalized further.
https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Strider

5'11" vs 6'1"

>>531291152
GODS I hate manlets

What do these two settings actually do? Haven't noticed any major differences in my recent Kislev campaign, by turn ~85 the major Ordertide factions have dominated as per usual

How do I get this crazy old geezer to confederate? Even threatening him doesn't work, and besides I don't really want to lose the reliability

>>531291632
You can hover over each one for more info.

>>531291858
Too late. You've helped him and secured all around him so there's no risk and therefore no need to confederate.

>>531291868
I see that but like I said I haven't really noticed any significant changes to the AI's behaviour and/or the potential/survivability of minor factions. Am I just unlucky in my current campaign and they work as intended, or is my experience the norm?

>>531291974
I had to revive him via rebellion, he got squished early by Throt. I keep trying to bribe him to join my wars but he'll only take provinces, which obviously will make him more reluctant to confederate

>>531291152
I'm still annoyed that they gave long dong the sword and pistol combo when in the tableslop game they just have a bunch of pistols that they even use in melee.

>>531292036
I noticed the minor slaanesh factions living longer in the wastes but that's pretty much it. Most minor factions have terrible starts so they aren't going to beat a LL faction.

>>531291858
I know you said you tried to get him to join wars you're just gonna have to get him to somehow join your wars get an alliance with him (usually a terrible idea if you wanna confed) and then just declare a bunch of wars on random minor factions

>>531244805
kek

>>531291858
>start a military alliance with him
>make him join your wars
>end military alliance

Deleting fat stacks of brittle skeletons with Imperial artillery barrages is still the best feeling. It was in the first game, it still is in the third.

>>531297985
>No bullshit magical barrage spam
>No "free summons anywhere on the map"
Truly, Empire is the most fun area to fight in.

Aislinn SOON retards (Delves).

>>531300419
>Aislinn SOON
Can't wait to recruit a High Elf dragonship

Which are the best races to play atm, which are ok but not that good in comparison and who aren't worth playing

>>531301367
this is my opinion it terms of fun, although it really depends on your playstyle as well as who you can rp as

>>531303001
>bretonnia in C

By the dame...

>>531303001
>Norsca in D

Yep, started another Karl Franz run. It's due. Also didn't remember that Reiksguard were 'only' T3, I thought they were T4.

>>531304146
I think that they have been tier 3 for quite a while.
The best part about the Thrones of Decay update was removing the blacksmith requirement for units.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymtvAebCJY&list

are we actually getting siege fixes?

>>531304901
no lol
fantasissies don't deserve them

>>531303104
bretonnia has no engaging late game mechanics, and their armies aren't varied enough to make up for it so campaigns get stale very quickly
although I will admit you do get some very satisfying battles
>>531303650
yeah they suck, they suffer from the same problem as vampire coast where they were fun when they first came out and aged poorly over time because there's less they can do with them

>>531304901
yeah

>>531305501
that cat is so cute i just came my pants

How bad is Eshin for a first Skaven campaign?

>>531305918
It's fine. Skrolk (Pestilens) is the worst of the Skaven by far. Eshin is strong and a decent first Skaven try.

>>531303001
>chorfs anything other than S

next dlc has stuff for coast
if it dosent
i will hurt you bad

>>531306631
chaos dwarfs are an s the first playthrough but they have next to no replay value, every campaign plays out the same no matter who you pick and they just don't hold up after multiple playthroughs
they make good allies to recruit from at least, luv me artillery

>>531304901
News about it this week if we are lucky.

>>531305918
They're alright. They're also the only skaven clan that gets away decently with just doing frontline + backline early on by using AP slingers, so they can be simple to play and you don't necessarily have to do full skirmisher memes.

Also, they're just legit the coolest clan.

While I doubt the HElves pivot leak, Neferata honestly would have fit a theme of seduction and betrayal better for the DLC. On the other hand, I would much prefer bloodlines DLC or lord packs.

>>531306903
every campaign as every faction plays out the same outside of maybe changeling but nobody plays that shit because its some weird sandbox

total war sex with elven females using bret kislev empire cock
this post was made by the 120 s delay gang

I am worried that Dechala won't be able to 1v1 Tyrion.
Why would I purchase a Legendary Lord that can't even 1v1 Tyrion?

>>531304901
of course not silly

>>531307646
i agree, that's why the only dlc i've ever bought is the queen & the crone

For a society that loves bears, they sure kill a lot of them for the pelt headdresses of the akshina regiments

>>531308119
You're right!
Crone Hellebron can 1v1 Tyrion during the day.
Alarielle the Radiant can 1v1 Tyrion at night.

>>531307352
more or less, but the chaos dwarfs in particular have a few things working against them in terms of replayability
>forcing you to min/max resources
>little differences between factions aside from starting positions
>guaranteed confederations, and punishing you if you don't

>>531308396
And even the starting positions and the area in general gets tiresome quickly. All 3 LL are very close together.

the reason mods are cheats is because they let you make the game more fun without paying the dev more money

>>531308592
KEK

>>531308592
TRVKE

I have a seemingly dumb question. Chaos Knights, are they Chaos Warriors on horses or Chosen on horses? Because they have capes like the Chaos Warriors but their is more ornate, with a skull ring, still they don't have the eight spike star on the shoulderpad like Chosen. So are they like an intermediate rank or? What would Chosen cavalry look like?

>>531309000
All I know is that their power level is just a tad under 9000!!!!

>>531309000
Chosen cavalry would be shit like skullcrushers. Chaos Knights are warriors.

It is so blatantly overpowered that the "Discouraged" effect reduces leadership by 16.

>>531309000
if we're going by gameplay mechanics, it's safe to assume knights are on a different path than chosen, but stronger overall
they are unlocked later in the research tree for champions, and their final tier can only be upgraded to not recruited normally whereas chosen can

>>531309000
Chaos Knights and Chosen Knights are separate units on the table currently, if that's a sufficient answer for you

>>531309907
There was a massive smile on my face when Aislinn was confirmed in the very last sentence of that blog.
CA knew what they were doing.

Any obscure mods that are actually GOATed?

>>531309000
>What would Chosen cavalry look like?

>>531310070
he seems like a cool guy form what I read

>>531310151
Dunno if its obscure but I dont see it mentioned enough:
Adopotatos Lorefriendly Empire Reskin. The units, especially the state troopers, look so much better and closer to the artwork in the codexes.
I always have it on regardless if I play the Empire or not.

>>531309907
What units are they gonna have tho, aside from that flying chariot thing?

>>531310626
This thing

>>531310151
-50% movement points for AI and Player
Slows down the campaign a lot
I used it in WH2 too

>>531309907
still need a sword and board units from t1 to t5
still need a sword plus board and dual sword sea guard
still need a phoenix guard with shield
still need a 2h greatsword t5 unit
still need a dual sword t5 unit
still need a dual axe version of the white lions of chrace
still need the skycutter
still need the emperor dragon
still need the merwyrm
still need real dragon princes, from sun to emperor dragons
still need dragonships
still need magical artillery, all 8 winds of magic
still need tall tree rock lobber
still need massive bolt thrower, you know the ones guarding inner ulthuan
still need eagleships
still need hawkships
still need ship's company
still need regiments of renown of each unit above plus those who don't have one yet

>>531259157
>why are eternal guard (unbreakable)(slav) so good????

>Remains one of the most difficult campaigns in the game
>Unlike pretty much every other starter enemy in the game (who are easy chumps for you to quickly smash and grab their cities), the Empire Secessionists are something of an actual challenge.
>Things still start going to going to shit immediately afterward if you aren't actively playing Empire XCOM
>Now have the threat of Kemmler suddenly war deccing and ramming three full stacks down Helmgart instead of the war with Marienburg early warning system.
>"Recommended first campaign"
Nothin' personnel, kid.

>>531310747
Hey! It's the dude from Count Noctilus' trailer.

>play game
>perfectly line up my formation to completely block their cavalry while excellently executing a multiple-cavalry micro assault to encircle and eradicate their infantry
>win battle
>watch replay
>my infantry lines blob up and get cycle charged by their knights
>my cavalry blob up and get hacked to pieces by infantry
>game ends with pyrrhic victory for AI with a stupid ass mosh pit
LMFAO and people wonder why people think AI might be becoming sentient and malicious

>>531311049
Eltharion gets a really solid sword and shield unit.

>>531311135
sole interesting campaign I kneel my EMPEROR

>>531311135
Most difficult (constantly biting off more than what's comfortable).

To be honest, Golgfag DLC should have added new visual variants for all Maneaters and Maneaters (Dual Weapons) as the new DLC unit while Golgfag's Maneaters should've been a RoR or unique unit to Golgfag that are essentially a hybrid of all Maneater types.

>>531311286
yeah but it's exclusive to yvresse, not to the rest of the high elves faction

HElfags get one DLC and they become as insufferable as Empfags

>>531311286
These are the High Elf swordsmen stats in case you were interested.

High Elves are not complete until they get Chosen of Asuryan (anti large) (anti-infantry) (armour piercing) (gold shields) (hybrid unit) (decent melee combatant) (unbreakable)

>>531311685
Look Anon, its a simple fact:
If you are not Chaos, Helves, Empire or Skaven YOU ARE AN NPC

God I hate modern graphics so much it's unreal. I mean look at these shadows, it's just some blurry mess

>>531237671

Any idea who the artist is?

>>531312042
>shadows
That's a bug that was present all the way back when WH2 launched
I think it goes away if you turn off screen space reflections?

>>531312042
Good lord anon that might be something specific to your end. TW3 has some serious issues (particularly performance on campaign map, and AA of all types is mega fucked in this game) but those shadows are special.

>>531311685
>one
It's the 3rd.

Alarielle
Eltharion
Aislinn

High Elves need a gunpowder artillery that shoots magic missiles

Anons I want to play this game so bad but I don't know which LL to play.....

>>531247593
>>531247860
Gimme the lowdown on the rape lizards, will ya?

>>531313043
Best we can do is flying artillery chariot.

>>531313191
google filename

There is mention of rape in slaanesh faction description

We need an elgi gunpowder faction

We need a Norscan Dwarf faction.

>>531312636
Imrik also counts just because he is the most popular helf faction

Be honest Anon, would you fuck rat mother?

>>531313837
Imrik is very cool but he is actually an FLC lord.
Alith Anar
Imrik

>>531313191
In older lore, the Fimir reproduced by raping Norscan maidens.

Now that GW has gone full corpo, they don't want anything edgy or disturbing in their lore, so they ignore shit like this. Yes, their settings are all known for being "grimdark," a term they themselves coined, but now that just means that war is, like, really REALLY bad, okay?

GW hasn't gone the full Blizzard yet, but they're headed in that direction.

>>531314117
warcraft now is just a gigantic blowjob to sylvanas because one of the author is in madlove for her

>>531314365
Anon that expansion is already over

>>531314117
>Now that GW has gone full corpo,
Haven't they been full corpo for two to three decades now?

>>531313101
Ain't that a big problem?

Insider here. The DLC was delayed as CA Sofia couldn't get the Fimir breeding mechanics just right. They are now consulting expert witches and professional rapists for additional input.

>>531314365
>>531314413
Yas we are done with worshiping the false feminist male gaze male fantasy sex symbols. Now is the era of our queen Faerin, the black one-eyed, one-armed, half-elf, orc-in-spirit, descendant of ancient barbarian queens, future queen of Stormwind.

>>531314602
They were greedy in the past, no doubt, but you haven't gone FULL corpo until you start obsessing over getting the "wider audience" and start turning your setting into the Burger King Kids Club.

>>531314801
oh god her now? I just remember seeing a wizard on a wheelchair

>>531314801
>future queen of Stormwind.
I like how they started putting shit in that makes it obvious that Anduin has a crush on that fucking goblin from out of fucking nowhere, purely in a bid to make her queen of Stormwind.

>>531314801
>>531315116
Wasn't Anduin gay for Wrathion, then had a crush on Bolvar's daughter who popped out of nowhere?

>wow
Fuck off faggots

Alith Anar's heroes can assassinate legendary lords.

Eltharion can imprison Legendary Lords in his dungeon for eternity.

Imrik can hunt down and bind dragons to his will. He also claims their treasures and traits for himself.

Archaon will have this world.

Alarielle's mere presence causes local High Elves to engage in a frenzy of fertility.

News in 1 hour and 40 mins.

Too much elf ass licking in the thread.

>>531315212
Anduin has been a general faggot and butt-boy of the modern writers. Varian would be disgusted.

He's the fucking king. Why do they keep having him act like a bashful schoolboy?

>>531316330
Found the manlet.

>>531315212
> then had a crush on Bolvar's daughter who popped out of nowhere?
Those were in the old days of the sex pest milk stealer chudlord Garroshking Lord Meet Dadman aka Alex Afrasiabi. We have progressed past such masculine uncritical theories as having the queen of Stormwind being the daughter of a Stormwind knight.

Mannfred has two lores of magic and can switch between them mid-battle.
Mannfred was a Warhammer 1 release day lord.
None of the other 99 lords can do what Mannfred can do.

Did they truly forget? Is this yet another example of lost technology?

>>531316406
You just got yourself BOOKED

Karl Franz Holswig-Schliestein is literally me.

Anons do we agree with this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWg97bLOzss&t

>>531316609
Blue Scribes mog him

>>531313191
There is no fertile female Fimir.

>>531316759
Chaos and Elf factions are literally the ones I enjoy least. The rest are fine.

What is "Arkhan The Black" called in Spanish?

>>531316609
They think it's confusing to newfags and uncomfortable to switch lores during battles (which is correct). Their solution, instead of revamping ui to allow both lores at once, is never doing that again.
>justTCLAPthings

>>531316609
Fey Enchantress.
Or is it due to SFO ?

>>531309000
>>531309552
Actually come to think of it Aspiring Champions also have the mantle with skulls, so maybe Chaos Knights are mounted Aspiring Champions? But why are there more of them per regiment?

Imagine actually, unironically, picking an elf and then clicking "Start Campaign".... some people are just.... different....

>>531316920
Arkhan el Negro

>>531316330
>Too much elf ass licking in the thread.

>>531311135
>Empire Secessionists
>challenge
maybe before they gave you the fort for free because retards could not handle a single ambush battle to get them out of the fort

>>531317051
SFO. She only has lore of life in vanilla. Still a damn tough lord.

>>531311248
the game has no "replay" its just ai simulating the battle again lmao

Imagine being a guy whos uses cheats to play this game.

I am sure there are pretty dawi women, too.

>>531315212
Doesn't he have the hots for that draenei woman?

>>531317565
come home stunty

Man - players waiting for Tides of Torment
Woman - CA
Speech bubble in front of woman - Bulgarians refusing to give any info on the dlc and delaying it

>>531317974
She looks like she fucks male human paladins

>>531315943
How did she succeed where Shinzo failed?

>>531318583
miss him like you wouldn't believe

I am eating kebab(with rice)

>>531318843
he was part of a cult

>>531319240
People like Travolta and Cruise despite them being cultists aswell.

>>531318583
>With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

news in 40k minutes

>Conquer one direction
>Faction on the opposite side declares war on me so I
>Have to go back
>Deal with that, neighbor I've been allied with all game Declares war
>Have to go back
>Random army spawn in the middle of my territory
>Have to go back
I swear this game is like wack-a-mole

How the fuck do I get Talsyn to stop taking Parravon 10 turns into a Fey campaign?

>>531319987
Take the land in direction you want to have peace
Sell it to closest neighbor for treaties
????
Profit!

>>531320285
>peace
Total War.

>>531320250
you dont
total knife ear death

>>531320463
War is Peace, my friend.

>>531319987
This is why you dont conquer land you wont be. able to defend or that you feel like is going to drag you into a war
A prime example of this is conquering anything in the southern shore of that chaos wastes sea

>>531314117
Beastmen raping women (Of all races) is still canon

>>531320250
They start at war no ?