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What is /crpgg/?
This general is dedicated to the discussion of comfy role playing games such as:
Arcanum, Baldur's Gate, Disco Elysium, Divinity: Original Sin, Dragon Age, Expeditions, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, Pentiment, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Shadowrun, Solasta, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, The Age of Decadence, Temple of Elemental Evil, Tyranny, UnderRail, Vampire: The Masquerade โ Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k: Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, Wasteland and many others.
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>Previous: >>531239527Thread Question: What are the best crpgs for wizards? Either because of good content or good magic systems.
God I am so glad the Rogue Trader crpg exists. The actual ttrpg is the worst slop I ever played and we had to house rule half the fucking game for it to be any amount of enjoyable
I just smiled and said the roses were nice and now he's running me baths and giving me secret keys I don't want to fuck this guy I just didn't want to be rude to him and now he's trying to fuck me
>>531369009>Man was waiting for me naked with a rose in his mouth while an orchestra was playing and a chor was chanting ' HE WANTS THE D', how was I suppsoedt o know he wanted to romance meAutistic son of retard
>>531369115The actual Rouge Trader tabletop game is horrible. The video game makes it fun
>>531369009I ship dareian and seelah. They have alot in common.
>The monster disappeared, and silence returned once more. Steam rises from freshly baked cookies and fragrant tea on the table. Arueshalae gazes at her dream. You've never seen such joy on her face. โI... I just want to live here, in the mortal world. With you. I've solved the goddess's riddle. This is my true dream!โ
>Arueshalaeโs fragile body flares with a rainbow light, a swarm of blue butterflies surrounds her. She looks at you with shining eyes. โI love you. Will you be with me? Will you share my dream?โ
>The girl flinches, but doesnโt pull her hand away. She squeezes your hand with her dry, hot fingers. โI believe you. You must be real โ I donโt want to imagine a world where youโre not.โ
>As if she was just waiting for that, Arueshalae answers your smile with one of her own. โTogether, no hardship will scare us. Weโll get through it! We definitely will!โ
>The heat radiating from Arueshalaeโs body warms you and fills you with peace. Closing her eyes, she leans closer into you, her face moving toward yours...
>Arueshalae takes your hand in her small, hot palm, and the world around you fades away.
I bless this thread with my hands.
>>531369706What do they have in common, other than being brown?
>>531369325Filtered much?
>DAO only has 70 inventory spaces
AAIIIIEEE LET ME BE A KLEPTO IN PEACE
>>531369894You try to do RT ship combat and then tell me with a straight face that it's good.
One of my favorite Daeren moments is when he is stunlocked by Galfrey essentially banishing the KC to the Abyss.
Whenever the veneer of his apathetic persona comes undone it's honestly a Goated moment.
>>531370237Yeah, the few things that piss him off always get a good reaction too
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>>531370362That was the first time I realized "Oh he's kind of based"
>>531369990>Remembering how utterly useless stamina potions were >Remembering how you could cheese fights by having your tank run in circles while ranged hits >Animation cancelling mage ranged attack into spell for max dps >Cone of cold being busted >The seizure you would get as Arcane Knight and having all the buffs
Wild, untamed, degenerate, heretical sex with Vyatt NOW
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>>531370752That bitch is ugly, you couldn't find a hotter heretic?
>>531370362I love that Ember and Daeran, two completely opposite characters (jaded, dickish healer raised and luxury and goodhearted, all loving blaster raised in poverty) are the best at getting under people's skin.
Ember consistently makes people chimp out with simple facts and logic.
>>531370752Did they really have to give her the purple eye shadow that screams CHAOS CULTIST CHAOS CULTIST? Then again, Thassera or whatever was the same with all the FATE, CHANGING DESTINY OOOO talk.
>>531371007bait used to be believable
>>531370752Dumb bitch doesn't even know what an Eldar is
>>531371151Brother she is not hot. Is a bit of cleavage the only thing you need to get yourself going?
>>531370027That bad huh? I don't know man, I haven't tried it and I doubt I ever will.
>>531371116That's the point unironically. You, as paragon of humanity even before becoming RT, can pick up on extremely obvious tells that shit ain't sweet. Most people are intentionally raised stupidly so that they don't think to question what they see.
>>531371282nta but she's pretty hot
that said fuck having sloppy seconds after a dog gangbang
>>531370752I really want to believe they'll add some sort "dance of masks" DLC that will let you romancer her or Clementia as new options. Maybe tied around some extravagant ball Theodora hosted every 5 years or something
>>531368938Which edition are you playing? I remember DH 2e being quite fun, and as I recall all those ttrpgs (only war, dark heresy, rogue trader, death watch and black crusade) use the same system with varying power levels.
>>531369009>Reject him>he still gives me two useful magic wands
I honestly hate the RT Ship and Valancius Palace base when going chaos, it's just chains and corpses everywhere, I thought a patron of Tzeentch could/would have something cooler. Iconoclast still have the coolest aesthetic change
Does Aeon to Gold Dragon even work?
>>531370580>stamina potionsFar as I recall, those didn't even exist in the base game.
>>531371886While The Benevolent Triumph is easily the best of the alignment themes, I will say the Dogma bridge has a certain flair to it.
>>531371886I don't even remember what Icono adds, Dogma adds the reliquary and missionaries right?
Question for those who played all the Expeditions: _ games, how do the Conquistador and Vikings ones compare to Rome?
Question for everyone but especially for the boomer/gen-Xers (if there are any) role players:
So I'm Playing Wrath of the Righteous and I'm trying role-play as Elric of Melnibonรฉ or maybe Corum. Any suggestion?
>>531372337Twinks doing the macarena and sucking each other off
>>531372376Much simpler. Conq especially.
>>531372376Vikings is fairly similar, just a bit stricter with some mechanics. Haven't played Conquistador in a million years but from what I remember it's a pretty unforgiving game on top of being very janky.
>>531372585>>531372649Aight, thanks. Mite check out Vikings one of these days when I get the itch for another crpg.
Also can I just say, having just finished Rome, reading up on the Republic path makes me really glad I went Empire instead in the end.
>>531369009I do want to fuck this guy
>>531369990Do you have the max inventory mod? https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/23
Also camp chest is good too
>>531372337Icono gets a big astrolabe for the bridge
>>531373618I just edited it with cheat engine into a bigger number.
should i start with pathfinder or rogue trader first
>>531373998Rogue Trader is simpler imho.
>>531371860The original when it came out in 2009
>>531374119Oh okay I got 0% experience with that.
>>531373916I forgot that existed. I sell most of my items, so I just settled for the max inventory mod so I could save money.
Also I clicked the wrong screenshot for my game but I'll repost the mod anyway:
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/23
>>531373998Rogue trade has been "gameified" a lot more than the Pathfinder games. If you have no experience with ttrpgs, start with RT
>>531372480>is reminded of the possibility i may be talking to an actual oldfag
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>>531370752>trying to play Iconocuck for the first time>constantly get the urge to pick Heretic choicesThe Dark Prince has me in his clutches...
>>531373998Depends on how dilated you are
>>531374749Not a actual oldfag, sorry, neither of 4chan nor ttrpg's/pen & paper sadly. Probably just a bit older than you but with a knack for Moorcock and old/older fantasy
>>531374061yeah it feels like a good entry point to the cRPG genre
When am I gonna be able to play as an Aeldari in a cRPG?
>>531376681Sorry, I only know about those with Eldars.
>>531376942Tell me about those too!
>>531376948A daring synthesis...
>>531376445Sacrificing her to become a boner god was the funniest shit in the game.
>>531375861Yes, she is my wife.
>>531377243I think that is the entire reason her romance exists to begin with.
>>531377386I know she's pretty much tailored for Azata but romancing her as Angel of Salvation was peak for me
>>531370752>ask her if she's alright after the ritual with Veiz that ends up with a demonette>bitch tells she went to more exhausting social meeting
>>531377495>For AzataShe's for Demon to Legend actually. Two people managing to lead each other to the path of redemption is kino.
>>531377712>Gold DragonNo, that's the Ember path
wanted to install the TSLRCM mod for kotor 2 but i see it's only available on a site called deadlystream as an exe file
never used that website and it's my first time seeing a mod packaged as an exe file (i assume it's an installer) so i gotta ask if the site and choice of extention file are safe, even better if someone has downloaded it from there and can vouch for it
>>531377648Demon/legend isnโt the path of redemption. Itโs the path of consistently making retarded choices.
>>531377973The moddb website directs to that website, so I suppose it should be good.
>>531378039>Be a retard>Get a moment of epiphany that you're retarded>Stop being a retard>Remove yourself from the retardation as wellI dunno, sounds like a redemption story to me
>>531372337a holy relic and some kino banners
>>531378186>stop simping for one bitch to immediately simp for another bitch
>>531376948Elric isn't quite the magus:
1.It's a kind of corrupted part dark-elf, part-dragonkin, iirc part-human (talking about many many generations). A little bit of vampiric heritage, stylistically.
2. It's more like a elemental summoner than a straightforward mage/wizard/warlock (albeit is often called sorcerer). He uses herbs to cure himself from chronic illness (albinism). It's also a """cleric""" to a specific chaos god.
3. It's a mercenary warrior with a damned and damning soul sucker sword
Is there any clear step by step process to finishing the game with both Lann and Wenduag in your party?
>>531377973That's fine. It's also on steam but I guess you're not using that
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=485537937
I advise to get only the restored content mod, NOT the "droid planet" which is a separate mod, but sometimes bundled with the TSLRCM.
The droid planet is extremely dull, amateurish, and unavoidable if installed
>>531378892i've heard that about the droid planet thing a lot but how bad can it be? i'm willing to go through the pain if it means getting the complete experience
how long does it take to go through it?
>>531378770Recruit Lann, use Evil option to tell Wenduag to fuck off during Lann's act 3 quest, accept her back in Lann's Act 5 quest.
For Wenduag, there is a reddit thread detailing how to hit her Respect/True Romance flags that is too long to summarize here. In the Act 3 quest, have her duel Lann then appeal to his Lawful side and point out he isn't really doing anything for the tribe the way he acts, then tell him to fuck off rather than kill him. Act 5 works like the above.
>>531379232It's about an hour of running up and down long passages talking to various droids, solving their muddled problems, followed by an insulting stupid finale.
It's not restored content, it's fan-made content based on design notes and a few assets.
Combat is just "walk to the next room, kill the droids". However you do get to use HK-47's "talk to droid" ability at least once
As an aside, the first portion involves a radiation leak that is meant to be a green haze but doesn't work correctly and just leads to the skybox looking blank green
>Konomi comes to me begging for aid
Hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Finally
VENGEANCE
>>531379749I wish telling her to suck a lemon here didn't result in completely cutting off the last two diplomacy levels. Why the fuck can't we engage in some of our own diplomacy away from Nerosyan and their lackeys.
>>531379749I still need to commission that comic where she's forced to angrily offer her body in order to get aid
I want to like Fenris but every time he speaks my face turns to this.
Like I get it man you were raped, that is awful, but not even Sakura Matou is this bad about it.
>>531380132That's all his character is btw.
Is there a recommended unofficial balance patch for Pillars 2 for a second playthrough?
>Woljif's plan is to introduce random barbarian mercenaries and hope it all works outThe kid is a fucking genius.
>>531380039Do the last two diplomacy levels give you anything mechanically? Or is it just the kino council dialogue?
Because I really want to tell her to fuck off.
>>531380759Why name your character 'wanderer' and not give him a name?
No offence I'm genuinely curious because it's pretty much the complete polar opposite of what I do.
>>531380658No, not that I know of and I don't trust anyone to even try and balance it out considering the game is extremely open to you just wandering off to places that can break the balance.
>>531380658Why would you need a balance patch for Sawyerโs Balance Autism: The Game
>>531380979To unbalance it
>>531379745>>531379232Also, the droid planet is different from the HK-47 factory, which is an integral part of the restored content mod. The HK-47 factory is pretty good
>>531380759Imma be real I know for a fact you get decent rewards but for the life of me I can't remember what they were, besides the +2 to all stats from Woljif's solution to one of those dilemmas (which is Inherent so it doesn't stack with the books you will have found by the time you get it)
>>531381298Iโm pretty sure they changed the potion to be an alchemical bonus a while ago
>>531380880Because
>Who are you?>I'm (a) Wanderer.is kino roleplay for this playthrough.
Especially in the context of WotR, where you think you're just some normal person and BAM
Two souls in one body.
>>531381298Fuck her then.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on some +5 holy outsider bane weapon or something
Anons how come Kibbles can essentially run through the whole map in 1 turn and my Rogue Trader can't?
>>531382248I'm wondering this myself
Everyone has more MP than me
Is it because my guy has a fat portrait?
>>531378215Also the candles increase
>>531382472Can't be, my portrait is a cute slender girl and still she can't move very far
>>531382472Fat bastard blade dancer is the funniest thing.
>>531382558Hey, the bigger the belly the better the belly dancer.
>>531379745what about the story? is it worth playing it for that? i heard a character named vash that is dead in vanilla is alive in this mod, i feel like the story of the planet might be integral to the game and if that's the case then i'll just play it but since you're telling me it's not "canon" and it's made up by a bunch of modders i'm not sure about it
>>531381942>Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on some +5 holy outsider bane weapon or somethingNah. All that cool shit you get from artisans / polishing found relics. Usually council upgrades give you a bonus on the field (in Crusade mode, that is). And none of it really fucking matters when you have generals that cast Fireball anyway, so you can tell her to fuck off with a clean conscience.
>>531383293>a character named vash that is dead in vanilla is alive in this modYes, but it's handled poorly. It seems like it will be good, when you find evidence that she's alive that leads you to the planet, but it's all downhill from there
Mainly it just drags out and is artificially padded with running. It almost made me quit the game, but that's just my experience. It's really not integral at all, it's entirely a sidequest planet.
On the plus side, there's a good amount of droid combat, and one of your companions is perfect for this.
There is an underlying neat idea there, but you'll be using Force Speed to make the running tolerable
You could look at a video or two to see if it looks appealing
>>531377495Yes, she is made for Azata husband or wife. Anything else is cope from secondary lorelets and trannies.
>>531383870Meanwhile in the real world, Arue is happily gagging on GD cock all day long.
>>531377495Cavalier of the pawbro here, she's built for mounting my animal companion
>>531383674Then the deed is done
>>531383293>what about the story?It's basically
>Vash is not dead, she's on this planet>Hmm almost no life signs on the whole planet>Turns out to be inhabited entirely by droids, for reasons that will become clear>Eventually you find VashIt's not bad. I mean I get what the other anon is talking about, but personally I didn't mind it. It was like self-contained episode of a Kotor tv show. I don't regret playing it. You can tell it's made by amateurs but they put a lot of work into it, and there's a lot of little things to do.
>>531383786i think i won't play it after all, i hear it's one of the longest planets and i don't wanna waste THAT much time, was kinda interested in the planet's story itself, the big AI guy and the colonists that never made it but i guess i can just watch a playthrough or plot summary
thanks a lot for the help, it was very enlightening
>>531384096>skipping flat stat boosts
>>531378039Honestly this was my experience, sadly. Demon path required too many Stupid Evil choices to follow properly. It doesn't feel like a commander angry at injustice that's falling to their darker side to find the power to fight demons and eventually shakes it off before irredeemably falling. It just feels like you're dumb and indecisive.
Exodite companion who doesn't know how anything works (eg doesn't know what a door is) but trusts you implicitly
Like Kibellah with pointy ears, wearing animal skins and wielding a stone knife.
>>531384538I'd much rather enjoy my playthrough than grit through dogshit NPCs for min maxing. Which is why I kick out N*nio in every single playthrough.
>>531384081Nobody played GD
>>531384910Even fewer people played Legend.
Seems like the nwn 2 remaster is pretty shit, as expected from aspyr.
I'm glad I didn't cave and buy it.
>>531384661t. still miffed about the lack of amiri romance
>>531385153There's no updates to fucking nothing man
Not even graphical updates
It's the same fucking game
>>531384632>he was a pussy who reigned in his instinctslol
lmao
>>531385153>>531385268CRPGs looking in a decent state right now. Jesus fucking christ
>>531384538>NOOO not the heckin +2 to stats it gives you a whole +1 to your checksI've made my choice to stand proud.
You've made yours, begging like a dog.
>>531385268Hey thats not true, the UI is bigger and there's new (and old) bugs!
I don't know how aspyr keeps getting work, they're so dogshit.
>no heretic options to turn that stuck up elf cunt into a eldar onahole
What's even the point of being evil?
>>531385325>you can either be a raging retard or a pussy ass bitchHonestly Demon is just such a shit path it's not even funny. Even your introduction is just you getting kidnapped like a bitch.
Man fuck Owlcat for making Devil a late game path. You got the Hellknights as one of your primary allies and companions but you don't get a proper lawful evil route. So stupid.
>>531385668>but you don't get a proper lawful evil routeCome home, white man
>>531384661>exodite>animal skins and wielding a stone knifeAnon. You're a moron.
>>531385668>but you don't get a proper lawful evil routeBro, your lich?
>>531385924She will be from a particularly backward planet
>>531385668Spoken like a pussy
>>531385668You play lawful evil the entire time Mephisto is grooming you during the Aeon route, meme complaint.
>>531384320No worries! Enjoy your Kotor 2
After watching a playthrough I think you'll feel like you made the right choice
>>531385664This should be a dogmatic option actually.
>Dogmatic trader with xenos pet he treats like his property
>>531385664you do though
you just give her to slaanesh to rape for eternity
>>531386418Meme answer, more like. Aeon into Devil is you being a failure. Same with Azata into Devil. In order to become a Devil you are ALWAYS a failure.
Not to mention that Devil has NO. FUCKING. STORY. and sucks complete ass mechanically compared to BOTH its potential parent mythics.
>>531385893>>531385996Nothing lawful evil about Lich, it's utterly and entirely NE to its very core. You do actively stupidly evil things that benefit nobody, not even yourself.
>>531386858I want to to the rapening tho
>>531369009rookie mistake. ive beaten WOTR three times and never even recruited this guy. heard that homo accent and told him to fuck off every time.
>>531386913The only think I know about Devil is that you rape? Galfrey with it
>>531386858And you get to watch from the cuck chair
Typical heretic experience
>>531386913>you are ALWAYS a failureMindset problem. I prefer to think of it as a sideways promotion. I already spend all my time doing the things devils do with the authority of an aeon, I might as well sign the slip and make it official.
how would Abelard have reacted if there was an option to try and romance Clementia and you went for it?
>>531387104I thought that was Idira until I saw the chinplate
Shit taste. He's one of the best companions and turns every "straight" man gay
>>531386913>You do actively stupidly evil things that benefit nobody, not even yourselfSuch as?
>>531386937understandable
>>531387035iconocuck, don't you have an expanse to sell over to the genestealers?
>>531386913You're just bitching because devil doesn't have any coom for your brainrot
>>531386972Shouldn't you be on /v/? Thats where all the other insecure closet homos hang out.
>>531387104he'd probably just take it, like he can take you having his family executed
>>531387453As it happens I do
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>>531387453You had this prepared... very quickly, anon.
Have you been 'accused' of wanting to have sex with men frequently?
Tell me more about that.
>>531387453>secretlynah, I'm pretty open about it
>>531387584>>531387592>>531387609>>531387790you tell him sisters. gooners are heckin' valid and you ARE your female player character avatars no matter what anybody says.
It's time to save the galaxy one more time and fuck aliens
Which class is the best for ME1 for insanity? But I really want to play either infiltrator or engineer since I never picked those classes
>>531386972Unironically posting this alongside an epic 40k image is gayer than sucking dick
>>531369804>The smell of freshly baked cookies wafts through the air, and steam rises from cups of hot, fragrant tea that have been set out on the table. Arueshalae gazes around her longingly. You have never seen her so happy. "I... I just want to live here, in the world of mortals. With you. I have solved the goddess's riddle. This is my true dream!">She stares at you with shining eyes. "I love you. Will you be with me? Will you share my dream?">Arueshalae is stunned for a moment. She then raises her hand to her cheek where she was slapped and as tears fill her eyes she declares "I'm sorry. I shouldn't have asked."
>>531388073Very quick to deflection, anon.
It's very convenient that everyone who has pushed back against you is secretly transsexual.
So many people with such differing opinions. And all transsexual.
Could you be a good sport and expand on that for me?
>>531388073I just want to fuck a spider. You two can suck eachother off without my involvement.
>>531388089I seem to remember Engineer was crap? Or maybe I'm confusing it with ME2. I remember between the first two games, Engineer was mediocre in one and actual shit in the other, before then ascending to godhood in 3.
Either way, Infiltrator in 1 is definitely fantastic, since you get enormous areas to snipe in.
>>531388089engineer is the worst class in all three games
infiltrator is boring but at least it's not engineer
>>531388418i remember engineer being really OP in the horde mode multiplayer because it had the armor burning fireball and the shield breaking overload in one kit. just ran around with a pistol for low cooldowns and zapped everything with magic.
>>531369325The actual RT TTRPG is fantastic. I actually ran a 30 session+ campaign.
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Morrigan is so cute bros
How do anons bring themselves to play Dragon Age Origins after Veilguard literally killed the IP.
Holy FUCK the Circle fade level is annoying
Fuck however thought this was a good idea
>>531390878What did you say to her? I see redcliffe in the background?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3783770/Shadow_of_the_Road_Demo/?curator_clanid=44272419
The demo for that samurai game owlcat is publishing is out.
>>531391374How does the existence of veilguard impede me from enjoying origins
I can just pretend it doesn't exist and play it as a standalone title
>reading the dogs in ferelden codex
>fereldan nobles are unironic furries who believe they descended from a werewolf
I'm going to start reading codexes more often lmao what the hell
>>531369325What's so bad about it?
>>531391374idk some people are able to compartmentalize that stuff. i had to stop playing sequel games and watching sequel movies/tv shows because for me, it forever taints the original. i can't isolate out the bad parts and pretend they don't exist. it's like someone else licking your food and putting it back down. after that i don't want it anymore.
>>531391383Nigga you're supposed to download Skip The Fade mod so you don't waste 5 hours of your life on mazeslop
>>531391407It's been out for months, anon. It's not very good
>>531391383>fadeYou play through it once (1) (one) and then understand why you install
>>531391742Then just watch on youtube the companion variations
>>531391383I told her that I'll always protect her or some sappy line like that
>>531391993The mod doesn't remove the companion dream sequences. When you leave your own dream sequence you get teleported to a random companion's dream instead of Niall.
>>531392231Oh, fucking nevermind me, then! I still say play through it once so you learn to appreciate the mod
>>531392231Oh never mind, you mean the companions you don't bring.
I didn't bring Morrigan in my playthrough so I missed her slap scene unfortunately that was funny as shit
Jesus Christ Kibellah...
Why is everyone in my entourage so autistic?
>>531390878Baffling that there was never another RPG romance as good as hers.
>>531392231Those sequences are super fast though.
>>531391993>>531391742I play trough the cringe like a real man
>>531392485Mogged by Viconia
>>531392516based. i take a similar stance on the skip peragus mods.
>>531392356>>531392404Lmao that's what I did though I played through it once to see what the damage was. The golems were fucking me up but otherwise I managed. I use the skip mod from now on though.
>>531391605I can sum up the dark angels for you, they had some purges in the chapter during horus heresy and not all the traitor marines died, now instead of acting normal and recognizing that literally every legion had some traitor marines they had to deal with during the HH, the dangels started sperging out about the great "sin" they commited and now hunt down those traitor marines (called "fallen") to capture and torture until they repent (then kill them) as self imposed pennance. its also a great chapter secret which means if you ask too many questions you will get black bagged, and the dark angels will absolutely abandon their allies if they get even a hint that a fallen could be nearby, and they'll refuse to explain themselves. also if your unlucky enough to encounter fallen the dangels will kill you because "no one must know"
reminder that if you kill companions in your single player ROLE PLAYING game you are actually a sexist, racist, homophobic chud.
>>531392684viconia romance isnt canon
brwtf
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1. [Lawful Good] I don't like you. Die!
>>531393014dark angels will sperg out and kill you because they had traitor marines once and thinks the imperium will hate them if this factoid gets out.
>>531392684Ruined by WOTC and Larian who turned her into a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Then again Bioware themselves ruined Morrigan as well in Veilguard so the two share the same fate I guess.
>>531393119Anon, what the fuck does that have to do with dogs in Ferelden
>>531392791>making me read a reddit postSigh
>hat bonerKek
>"I kill them" crowdWho actually cares as long as they don't do it irl
>>531392791the only reason why chuds would hate Ashley is because she called their alien waifu an animal
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Post characters who owe you sex. I'll start.
>>531393037Actually it would be
>You broke the law evil doer! DIE
>>531393405Everytime I try a run where I stay loyal to her I end up going for Miranda instead.
>>531393460Oh sweet Nerevar, my moon and star...
>>531392440It's funny because this is the only NPC in the game that actually has a proper reaction to her weird death cult shit.
>>531392791>>531393405crazy how redditors can talk themselves into believing that ashley, an avowed anti-alien racist, is actually a downtrodden "brown and homosexual" person and that people that chose to sacrifice her instead of kaidan (a gay man) were actually being racist and homophobic in making that decision. total cognitive dissonance.
>>531392791>mazipanlmao he's a fucking deldar. I kept idira and yrliet around on my initial iconoclast playthrough and even I know deldar are better off dead
>>531392791He's kind of right though. What's the last straight white character that was overly hated?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VG2677ew0T0
>>531393703>proper reaction to her weird death cult shitnot that rare of a trait lol. just look at all of the gooners that love her in these generals. i don't get the appeal in someone that's covered in blood and open wounds 24/7 like they're on a PCP rampage.
>>531393828genderbent camellia
>>531392791I mean that's a 4channel anon. They kill Idira for being black or Astarion for being fruity erm
>>531392694Peragus is the best part of KotOR 2
>Story that develops coherently >Gradually increasing stakes >Clear climax
>>531392440btw in this convo idira will tell her not to listen to the crazy goth lady and to eat her veggies.
>>531393828>last straight white character that was overly hated?Idk but for me its Gaybor
>>531392791Being a raging faggot doesn't even figure in the top 100 reason to kill Marazhai
>>531393803Ashley is latinx so shes in the brown category. That is weird though, I thought most still hated Ashley.
>>531394021idira is 4chancore though. she regularly browses /x/, has a tupla of her waifu and makes overly sardonic comments on everything
>>531392791>Marzipan >Brown
>>531391374I'm a zoomzoom who was too young to play DAO on release and the BG3 companions were so bad I ran to Dragon Age to get my fix.
The only memory I had of DA beforehand was playing the demo to 2 on xbox and thinking it was bootleg skyrim
>>531392791>AshleyMost annoying between her and Kaidan (who arguably doesn't even have a character)
>JacobWho the fuck kills Jacob? I don't think most people even remember him being in the game. I sure as fuck didn't until now.
>ZevranTried to me kill me. Slit his throat.
>AstarionThreatened to kill me THEN tried to suck my fucking blood. Staked.
>WyllHe has a cringe introduction but he's fine
>Karlachhuh? Why is she in this list?
>IdiraLiterally brought a fucking demon into my ship willingly. Thankfully Argenta knew what to do.
>MarzipamThe guy who raped my planet? He's getting raped back.
>>531394360But anons are racist
>>531394348>Williams>Latinxshes an american of anglo decent
>>531394348>Ashley is latinxwtf since when? her name is Ashley Williams and she's a thinly veiled white american bush era republican caricature. everything from coming from a military family to having racial grudges.
>>531393460I'm not averse to cunny but she's too annoying
>>531394430Everyone loves him after they yassified him
I save Ashley in ME1 simply to save Kaiden from becoming a homo for no reason in ME3.
>>531393828>last straight white character that was overly hated?
>>531394710sure but it took like two full games and a cyborg ninja makeover to make people like him. he was absolutely hated at MGS2 release for replacing snake and crying on the codec with his girlfriend.
>>531394429anon he's a DARK Eldar. He's a XOC (xeno of color). The melanin is in his wretched alien soul
>Evil Arue saying she would totally suck my dick if I still had one
The only downside of being a lich
I only make my character white if they have white relatives/come from an explicitly European background.
>>531394554>huh? Why is she in this list?For some reason she attracted a lot of that kind of posting, but I think it was mostly by people who already had done a playthrough of the game and way overreacted to her just being potty mouthed.
>Literally brought a fucking demon into my ship willingly.There was nothing willing about it.
>>531394554>Thankfully Argenta knew what to do.Well done locking Argenta into her bad ending
Not really my fault that the gay/bi characters are generally the most annoying ones. I don't have Zevran because he's brown or he's bi, I hate him because he's a sneaky little cunt who will backstab you with zero remorse if you don't raise his approval to a certain amount.
>>531395030i think that anon was asking why she was appearing on a list of brown gay people when she was red and playersexual (arguably heterosexual based on her history with gortash)
>>531392964My playthrough is canon to me. I don't care.
So genestealers are like The Thing, basically?
Only acting human to trick you, their thought processes are incomprehensibly alien
>>531394626>>531394612Shes Hispanic. It was confirmed a long time ago. ME is so far in the future all humans have mixed names. Also she does not look white.
>>531395174Oh.
Best guess I have is that one of Karlach's early placeholder faces was the black-looking tiefling one. There's people that somehow have never let go of that, even though it wasn't even the only one.
>>531395174Cuz she appears butch and does gay shit like fingers your asshole
>>531394554>Literally brought a fucking demon into my ship willingly. ehh she was being fucked with by warp theodora, and she's a psyker so she's double being fucked with. and my fucking ship has a warp breach every other goddamn jump anways. I can't really blame anyone for ending her there though since that is basic procedure in 40k when psykers start doing psyker things, but I would recommend giving her a chance on a second playhthrough, she becomes less of a burden and is completely loyal to (you) as long as you don't treat her like absolute garbage, and her quest is good, really good in my opinion. I can't bring myself to bring her along on a heretic playthrough, she doesn't deserve to get daemonhosted at all
>>531395136kek, that's the real underlying truth. they add these characters to make a social point and make them abrasive and annoying and duplicitous instead of just making them total bros that you want to hang out with.
>zevran: tries to kill you>anders: tries to kill you (and everyone else in a suicide bomb attack)>astarion: tries to kill you>idira: tries to kill you (accidentally)>marazhai: tries to kill you
>>531395030Karlach is obnoxious as fuck the way she's written. She's also written like some OC where everyone even the fucking Drow bitch automatically loves her and constantly comment about how brave and strong willed she is.
>>531395030>KarlachI don't think she even swears that much, by modern standards. She just doesn't talk eloquently like everyone else in the party and doesn't have the advantage of saying made up slurs that nobody understands like Frog
>IdiraShe called one during warp jump cause her schizo voices told her to. Bolter to the head in my dogmatic run.
>>531395049What bad ending? She marched out with a relic then went on to her own business later, like she said she would.
Pasqal is worse than Idira, I kill him every playthrough
>>531395415>idira: tries to kill youThis is literally, entirely, and in all other ways, false
>>531395415daeran and ekundayo don't try to kill you
The list did not mean everyone is brown and gay. Its just some are brown, some are gay. A few are both. Karlach is a weird choice as she's universally beloved versus those other characters.
>>531395236The Genestealers were originally their own thing. The Tyranids were a later addition, and it made them worse for it.
>>531395501Pasqal is just using you, yeah. He's also a schismatic
I don't get why he has so many fanboys
Sure you have to tard wrangle Idira a few times but she is genuinely loyal to you and also appreciates you for always trying to help her. I'm more surprised Jae isn't on the list given her antics.
>>531392791People here will regularly and happily tell you that they kill characters for being black
>>531395392Oh no, don't misunderstand, I definitely intend to keep both Idira and Marzipam on my incoming Iconoclast playthrough. Same for Astarion on my non-Paladin run. I just have no qualms killing companions that clash with me on an RP level.
The exception being fucking Nenio. Get the fuck out of my party and preferably never spawn into my game to begin with.
If Denerim was destroyed according to the Inquisitor, does that mean King Alistair/Anora got killed? I hate how they're like
>btw the country you spent an entire game and sacrificed your life (even if you survived you're infertile and terminally ill) to save is destroyed by the Blight anyways!
>>531395669He's funny and admechs are cool
>>531395236mix of the thing and alien, social manipulation like the thing but the look more like xenomorphs and the "kiss" thing is definitely inspired from face huggers
>>531395439Sorry if I don't mind that that much when I'm next to mister "I dated a fucking goddess for a while until I just ate a reality-ending artifact and now I've become an arguably bigger plot point than the actual main story of the game", "My goddess is personally invested in me being her follower to the point there's another goddess also fighting over me and my family", "I am the son of the duke of Baldur's Gate and a hero renowned across the lands but also I have one of Zariel's biggest servants is my patron and keeps watch on me", etc.
Karlach by comparison just being a tough barbarian girl with terrible luck and a doomed fate but a charming smile is fucking nothing.
>>531395546Last I checked neither of those two characters are hated. Some people find Daeran annoying but I never got the impression that he's hated, and Ekun is like the one KM companion that's universally liked.
>>531395461If Idira and Argenta become best friends then the order Argenta leads is better and she often preaches of Idira as an example to follow of a heretic redeemed by newfound faith
>>531395546and everybody loves ekundayo. daeran not so much because he's a posh condescending fag with a shitty attitude that's literally cosmically neutral evil.
>>531395518she accidentally called a warp entity onto the ship because she missed theodora and doesn't believe in your leadership. that's borderline mutinous and got all of the humans on that deck soul-raped for eternity in the warp.
Noooooo I saw a post on reddit I didnโt like crpgg help me
>>531395887>doesn't believe in your leadershipShe believes in you more than most other officers and is completely loyal to you from then on. She even quits drinking.
>>531395415Zevran is basically a fan favourite
Idira had a sad ending for me. And no she didn't kill my crew. Shes fine and will die soon anyways.
>>531395714its not entirely clear, but if you keep her in a party with argenta throughout the game-at the very least take them on eachother's quests and into act 3 together, then they have the potential to become less hostile with each other and eventually friends
>>531395742>btw the country you spent an entire game and sacrificed your life (even if you survived you're infertile and terminally ill) to save is destroyedthe world* orlais and skyruler temple got destroyed, too. the world state of veilguard is literally apocalyptic in the end.
>>531396124Her ending is always sad. Stupid bitch doesn't want to be sanctioned
>>531395546Ekun is my absolute nigga, the genocidal nigga supreme, don't even bring him into this. If you wanna talk about niggerfaggots, then Sosiel is right there.
>>531394601only after /pol/, before then it was pretty indiscriminate, trolling/hating/fucking with everyone equally. But the "shock words" often used brought the /pol/ crowd who thought they were in good company, and now many years later, I suppose it's kind of become true.
>>531396206Isn't it like a 1 in a million chance to get sanctioned, otherwise you just get fed to the emperor?
>>531396025i didn't say she doesn't come around, but at the point the event happens, that was her state of mind.
>>531396124If you gave her to Jimmy, then she should have turned up as part of Calcazar's retinue
Actually this goes for the elves too
>>531395742Out of everything stupid that happens in Veilguard the shithole mud swamp thatโs been destroyed multiple times getting destroyed yet again is by far the least of them
>>531396206sanctioning would most likely kill her.
>>531396124yeah her endings are always sad, but they vary from down-right depressing to having a silver lining and comfort in the friends she's made throughout the game.
>>531396124>Me going through Idira's questline as someone who's already seen a close family member die of terminal disease.I'm so glad Owlcat let me hug her.
>>531396283In her case she's comparatively very powerful and talented, and has relatively excellent control of her powers
Being fed to the Emperor is just for the average person with psyk potential but no control over it.
She would end up being an inquisitorial acolyte, more powerful than Jimmy probably.
>doing the funeral quest
>talk to the chaplain too soon
>locked out of the good ending
nice
>>531395810Shouldโve played a dark urge.
>>531396539Nice going Fidelio
>>531396283More 1 in a thousand, but yes. And not everyone survives sanctioning.
Also Idira getting sent to be sanctioned would effectively delete her from the game, there's no way she'd reach Terra and go through the training and return fast enough before the end of the game. It's even very probable that they wouldn't send her back to you, but to some other place where they need a psyker.
>>531395810>Karlach by comparison just being a tough barbarian girl with terrible luck and a doomed fate but a charming smile is fucking nothing.I would take 20 of those over everyone else being the most fucking special person in the setting.
>>531395319>Shes Hispanicpaki, actually.
>>531396536>She would end up being an inquisitorial acolytePretty its one in a BILLION to be a inquisition psyker
>>531395876So, in your mind, Argenta's good ending is her spreading word of Idira being redeemed? Lmao ok. If anything that is such an irresponsible fucking thing to teach her to accept AND preach in this setting.
If you're a psyker you might as well serve chaos anyway.
>>531396776>most fucking special person in the settinganon.. karlach is dying of two different super special chosen one curses at the same time. and also she's a cosmic-tier fighter than got plucked right off the streets of BG and into the Blood War and not only survived but excelled and was promoted. and despite all of that, has the chipper attitude of a 20something year old retail cashier.
>>531396829>40k HAS to be grimderp all the timethats true and it often is but shutup let me have my relatively wholesome ending in the dark depressing setting that is 40k. idira would have been so much better off in fantasy its not even funny.
>>531396843If you're not sanctioned then you're unironically already serving it
>>531396843are there any hardcore dogmatic psykers in the setting?
>>531396829Are you saying you know better than a Holy Sister who has been personally blessed by Saint Argenta herself, and wears the holy One Star relic as proof of her favour?
>>531397034Sorry sweaty, but if you don't like Grimdork then you're in the wrong setting lol. But seriously, I cannot stress this enough to you - A single retard with the best intentions can doom an entire fucking planet and every soul on it to eternal torment in the warp.
>>531396829why do you 40chuds hate any type of human compassion
>>531396993>karlach is dying of two different super special chosen one curses at the same time.That's not really something to brag about.
>and also she's a cosmic-tier fighter than got plucked right off the streets of BG and into the Blood War and not only survived but excelled and was promoted.There's plenty of mortal slaves brought down by devil contracts used in the Blood Wars, there's whole formations of them, usually used as cannon fodder. Karlach was supposedly already one of Gortash's most reliable thugs, so her surviving isn't that ridiculous.
>>531397285don't care, still gonna be a nice guy doing nice things
>>531397068Sanctioning is just a test of willpower and a stamp of approval
They don't actually do anything to make you more resistant against chaos
>But but the emperor's lightThat's for astropaths
The setting must be murder kill ALL THE TIME expect when I kiss my waifu teeehee
>>531397285I made eldar and humans coexist on janus I am killing all genestealers though
>>531397230Yes. 110%. It's like telling people it's okay to mix bleach and amonia because that one time you saw it done nobody got hurt
>>531397496>eldar and humans coexistYou mean you let the eldars brainrape the humans to pacify them
>>531397298They're all secondaries who know the setting only from memes
They've never read the codices or played the tabletop
>>531397196Isn't that what sanctioning is for
>>531397561>the Sister larper ywnbaw
>>531397375Good for you, anon! Just don't think too hard on how many billions you're indirectly dooming with good intentions.
>>531397590Not him but I chose the dogmatic persuade option
>No you can't rule the planet, out of the question. Humans will rule but I will allow you to live in your designated areasAnd the Farseer grumbled but went along with it. Seemed to work ok
>>531397807Oh no no no no
>>531397697posting art relevant to the discussion is larping now?
>>531397298because there are several dozen other IPs filled to bursting with the magic of friendship and compassion. 40k is one where it's an exception rather than the rule, which gives it it's unique appeal. the salamanders being relatively okay guys wouldn't be cool or unique if all the other space marines were too.
I got out
I'll go jump off a bridge brb
>>531397298They fell for fictional propaganda and revolve their entire identity around stuff they gained from watching youtubers skim wiki pages
Am I retarded? For some reason I cannot find out that the Servitor in the pirate's funeral is Fidelio.
I've talked to everyone and exhausted all choices. I chose to go in as Fidelio.
>>531397936Yep like I said.
A secondary.
>>531398032i don't think you get to find out or confirm it's the servitor unless you go in as the RT but i might be wrong.
>>531398032>I chose to go in as Fidelio.That's why
To find out about the servitor, you need to talk to the chaplain about the clues you found about who Fidelio is, in particular the one about the Cobra-Class ship from the little girl
Can't do that if you're pretending to be Fidelio
>>531397807Surely they wouldn't fucking lie to you and do it anyway right lol
>>531397298What the fuck you talking about? Do you even know the setting we're talking about? This isn't one where a little bit of good will saves people. This is the one where one psychic person can have an oopsie and an open a gate to literal space hell. If I had no compassion I'd say let her fucking do it because she might become more powerful, and casualties be damned.
>>531398174>>531398248So I'm locked in stealing the inheritance?
>>531397936Beating the Tryanids on Baal was literally a magic of friendship bullshit moment
>>531397936>>531398252grrr friendship is for fags not like my edgy series with Mongolian space bikers and Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau
Starlight express crpg when?
>>531397590I don't remember the exact choice I made, but basically the eldar lived in the forest and the humans lived in their colonies and everyone just chilled. in the ending slides when an eldar warband came around the eldar on janus came out of the woodwork to say "don't hurt these humans, its not like we like them or anything baka but don't hurt them" and janus was left untouched
>>531397970Morrigan gave me a kissu
Maybe I will not kms just yet....
>>531398174It works if you're incognito on the station, so long as you say you represent the rogue trader but you're not him
But if you pretend to be Fidelio you're locked out
You get the sewer adventure as a consolidation prize
>>531398331No, you can give it to the little girl, or the father, or just keep it
But you don't officially find out who Fidelio is
>>531398252umm sweetie that's wrongthink. 40k is actually a positive and inclusive setting. please reroll your character as a woman, post a gooner fanart image, and report to the chud mines for reconditioning.
>>531398439Huh
Well good thing I did a save before entering
>>531398252>Do you even know the setting we're talking about?Do you? Which codices have you downloaded? Any of them?
>>531398496You know you would die first in the Imperium. You are weak, lazy and not 9ft tall.
>>531398439I like the grandaughter ending where you keep her dad alive and Fidelio kills him when he starts acting up. You pretty much get confirmation without it explicitly saying it's him
>>531398657and you're a pussy IRL that gets offended at people suggesting 40k isn't the same as pokemon. we both have to live with the hands we've been dealt.
40k is a versatile setting and can be played as le grim dark everything sucks or a bit more hopeful of everything sucks but not totally doomed. guillman had an aneurysm at how shitty the modern imperium is, and the setting in general is heading in a more hopeful direction with the resurrection of aformentioned primarch
>>531398373Anon, I played a Dogmatic Sanctic Psyker who tried my best to parlay with every Eldar I encountered. I even got duped by a fucking GSC in my own ship because I felt like the firefags were being treated way too harshy. Fuck sake, I romanced the Yrliet and helped not get her entire craftworld massacred.
I do value friendship, especially in 40k, but I am not willing to sacrifice billions for it, you fucking psycho.
>>531398773NOOO MY FAVORITE SERIES ISN'T BEING RESPECTED!!!!
>>531398889you post like a very cool, balanced, well-adjusted haver of sex.
>>531398764Yeah that's actually better writing than the full reveal
BG1/2
>every companion is worthwhile and has an interesting story
>spoiled for choice and have to do multiple runs to take everybody that I want to take
BG3
>literally one single companion that I like and she has to share her screen time with all the other faggots including yourself and your own boring shit story
>>531392791I kill characters for being black, I'm not racist, I just don't like'em. Simple as.
>>531398537>>531398439>>531398764>revealing yourself means you never go to the sewers>and never get the knucklesman
>>531398786>and the setting in general is heading in a more hopeful directionBZZT wrong, it was always hopeful. the great crusade was actually a humanitarian aid delivery mission and the Chudstartes covered up the real history.
>>531398965save me Blorbius Scrunklius orphanage child skin wearer marine
I literally don't care about the fate of anyone other than the people close to me. If some random fags get chaos'd but my homies are having a good time, I won.
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>>531398605Sure did, and actually had to redownload a few years back when my computer shit itself. It's how I ended up having the White Scars as my favorite loyalists. Then read Warhawk of Chogoris right after.
The Night Lords trilogy was also how I came to like the space slav rapists as well. Also got myself a small guard retinue painted. Any more accusations, faggot?
>>531398881>but I am not willing to sacrifice billions for itWell from what you wrote you did all the icono options
So what are you referring to here
>>531399425dogma can team with the eldar on janus. wish there where more times like that when a conviction could come to different conclusions
>>531398657What do you think is happening right now? Do you think anyone here is larping as an alpha male that would become a SM and thrive in the Imperium? There is a difference between understanding the setting and knowing how unbelievably unfair it is, and then there is clutching your media literacy certificate and going
>Ermmm the Imperium is actually LE BAD and some kindness is needed mmm kay?
There truly isn't a fanbase that can compete with being as bad as 40kfags
I want a warhammer fantasy crpg.
>>531399192>Blorbius Scrunklius>every mention of this name on the internet links back to sites and posters so gay that i can't even post their names without the filter attempting to block themimagine my shock
>>531399425You'd be surprised how flexible dogmatic truly is.
>>531400208He googled it AIEE
>>531400056Please understand, it's been infiltrated by people who actively dislike the setting and seem to want to change it into something it is.
>>531400192Same desu
>>531400056Yeah they get so anal about how retarded it is.
>>531400192same
but if you're forced to play a h*man I'm not playing it
>>531400192Soon brother
then everyone will know that the Asur is the most noble and courageous race in Warhammer fantasy
>>531391674Nothing, anon is a retard
>>531393405I hate her because she's retarded and ugly
>>531400813>forced to play a h*manthat's more of a 40k thing. for whatever reason, the bulk of the 40k fanbase will only enjoy or pay for humans of the space marine, inquisition, and imperial guard varieties. the fantasy games tend to mix it up a lot more.
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Jae using me as a breeding machine
>>531399413>9e slop That explains everything
Ork weirdboy companion when?
>>531400840>Asur is the most noble and courageous race in Warhammer fantasy
>>531401068>the fantasy games tend to mix it up a lot more.I would hope so. I hope they don't do the whole "well you need to be a human for the plot to work" bullshit they did in RT. Which I get why they did it, but still.
>>531401140>hmmmm i wonder how could i further move the goalposts this time
>>531392791Yes, people kill Astarion, Zevran and Marazhai because they are afraid of getting a peepee in the poopoo, not because they tried to kill or torture them. Dumb nigger bitch
I miss the pathfinder autism fights. The 40k autism fights are the worst
>>531399359This is the only proper way to be iconoclast
>>531394601I am an equal opportunity racist - I hate everyone equally
>>531401403hard disagree. pathfinder sperg arguments are always about the romances and feature a lot more gooner fanart and run for like 700 posts. 40k arguments are short and text-based.
>>531401110>>531401331keep laughing stuntlings, but that won't change that an average dwarf can't even measure up to an Asurs knees
>>531401068Fantasy somehow avoided the deus vult XD audience
>>531396829Aregnta preaching about idira's redemption is just a tiny addendum to her good ending, that never hapepened to me, because I still have no idea how to make it happen
>>531401618I'd rather have gooner fanart than
>HURR IT'S EPIC AND DARK>NO YOU CAN BE GOOD AN HAPPY>NO FAG>U FAGAd infinitum
>>531401626>Fantasy somehow avoided the deus vult XD audienceOnly because Fantasy isn't big enough and people don't know that Bretonia exists
>>531401743Need them both in Cumrag to set off their gal-pals arc
>>531401403Sorry were stuck like this since the next game is also 40gay
>>531397836>friends with an unsanctinoed psyker>Hardcore dogmatic
>>531401813>I'd rather have gooner fanartagree to disagree then. i'd rather gore spam than goon spam.
>>531401813You'll have plenty of gooner art if we get warhammer fantasy my coomer friend
Fantasy is so much cooler than 40k we need a Fantasy crpg.
>>531401743What is her good ending, then?
>>531401951That doesn't work
>>531402181Her baseline good ending is just creating a new sororitas order. Everything else (ulfar, idira) is extra.
>>531402181Sister Repentia to make up for her many acts of stupidity
>>53140210440k has so much more potential but i have to agree because they never utilize any of it in vidya. 91872389127 kerjillion planets with technology ranging from medieval to scifi and somehow we always end up playing human commandos fighting in industrial corridors.
>playing warhammer fantasy crpg
>have to dip into the dung collector class for my min max build.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Dung_Collector
>>531402104I look like this.
>>531402491Lmao
>>531402441I see. Well, I'll see it next time when I do my Iconoclast Commisar run
>>531402284nta, for me I had them in my party for the entire game, stopped them from killing eachother in act 2 and 3, then with your approval argenta tries to comfort idira, in act 4 idira asked if she could come along to argenta's quest, and gave argenta a pep talk before she went to get the artifact. on her order path they mention each other in their endings, on zealous I believe only idira's ending mention argenta, and if argenta fails and becomes repentia then the reconciliation falls through
>>531402781>then with your approval argenta tries to comfort idiraWhen does that happen?
So Linzi is just a book full time now, I guess
>>531402939Yes and good riddance
>>53140269130 Intelligence is a baseline intelligenece foe humans. A little bit higher even. Most anons here probably have 25 Int
>>531402939Finally she becomes something useful. I'll use her to whipe my ass
>>531368773 (OP)>screen resolution is 1600x900>entire computer crashes>boot it back up>can't get my actual resolutionpc master raaaaaaace
>>531402939she deserves worse. can't believe they forced you to keep her on the team for the whole game and then had the audacity to have her steal from you - AND STILL be beyond punishment or party removal.
>>531402873after idira almost zaps argenta to a crisp because she learned argenta kills theodora and is having another breakdown
>>531403309I didn't have that
>>531403374It happens in Cumrag
>>531403309It happens when they're in Cumrag
>>531403209works on my machine
>>531403374I had abelard there too? i really dunno what the definitive triggers are
>>531403309NTA but I always tell Idira to blast Argenta
I play dogmatic and Argenta was way out of line
Then get a thicker blanket
>>531403671this is contrarian levels that shouldn't be possible. any dogmatard worth their salt would commemorate argenta for shooting first and asking questions never on a perceived heretic. and also yeah theodora was a massive fucking heretic
>>531403031>>531403193>>531403231>...AAAAGH! Is that my loyal and useful friend giving me access to tier 2 building early on, with discount even>Oh god I'm going INSANE please save me Regill-man!
>>531403962She steals from me and doesn't even repay me with sex. She deserves it.
>>531403671Argenta's actions were justified. The alignment that would be upset towards Argenta would be Heretical.
A true dogmatard would tell Argenta to shoot you too if she sees you being a heretic.
>>531403727based chad volcel anon. morrigan thought I was flirting when I told her she could ask me questions anytime because she's a SLUT
>>531404053>no linzi lovinhow does owlcat keep fumbling
>>531403921theodora was a massive fucking heretic
So it turned out but there was no indication of that besides the exaggerated claims of one silly woman
>>531403962This anon would steal from you then cry that he dindu noffin
>>531404178all game devs fear sex with small races. Still mad you couldn't hate fuck this uppity bitch
>>531403671Holy based. Dogmatards only ever praise Argenta
>>531404129Actually I was being the autistic wizard
I could never say no to her
All it took was some good cock and now she's all tsundere about everything
>>531404193>Epitaph>The lenses>The tithe
>>531404421just an exposed tumblrite begging for (You)s. ignore xher.
>>531404568I could never play anything other than human noble. The game just makes more sense that way.
It's pathetic how hard people waifu fag over argenta when she bitches all the time, has multiple loose canon moments and doesn't even fuck you. Idira atleast always follows orders and sticks with you no matter what path you go down.
>>531404580>EpitaphAnd where does that come? That's right, way after Cumrag
>The lensesSo there was a fragment of what appears to be heretical glass. We have cargo holds full of that, or is Argenta not aware?
>DLC Doesn't count
>>531404456Need halfling feet on my dick
>>531404713if we are going the "doesn't even fuck you" route idira doesn't fuck you either anon. also I like them both.
>>531404713She was immediately dropped for the elf as soon as I got her
>>531404713She doesn't even let you pray alongside her
Even Yrliet gives you more intimacy
>>531404568>>531404639>savage barbarian wood witch>fucked into submission by noble two-hand warrior cock
>>531404639I don't know what the noble origin is, but so far the game is pretty cool as a wizard, meeting your collegue who ended up poisoning the arl, going back to the circle, helping morrigan the apostate witch, dabbling in blood magic, speaking with demons...
I don't regret my choice at all.
>>531404568>>531404129i never got morrigan's appeal. she was such a wet blanket cunt. basically a proto-redditor contrarian that would argue with or insult every npc you encounter as a party for no practical reason - just the love of the game. if she was a dude i'd have ejected her from the party. plus leliana was right there: a redhead with a french accent. there was no contest.
>>531404881enjoy your hand holding anon
>>531404713I need the universe where Idira is sexy and see how many spare her then
>>531404948She was the first goth gf, anon.
>>531404594You will never fit in
>>531404948She's a goth with her boobies out. Also, the sequels ruined Leliana.
>>531404713on one hand i agree with you, but
>has multiple loose canon moments and doesn't even fuck youis literally 100% applicable to idira too
>>531404713>she bitches all the timeliterally false, I actually played the game and she didn't disagree with a single decision I took, agreeable to a fault
>>531404990you swap the Argenta and Idira character models around and you'd hear nothing but "dogmatic is so cringe" and "I can fix her everyone deserves a second chance"
>>531404895>He thinks wizards can't dish out in bed>>531404948Her banter with alistar is fun, her dialogue is fun, the only time she is grating to me is when we help someone in a way that will help us too and she still has to be contrarian.
But the rest of her is good imo.
>>531405068The sequels ruined Leliana and made Morrigan ten times more attractive.
Her DA:I model is just perfect.
>>531404948Her friendship route with a female warden is genuinely better than the romance.
>>531405130Damn I wanna see it now. I wanna the unsanctioned psyker who looks like Argenta (still unromancable)
>>531404948sexy swamp goth girl gave me boners as a teen.
>>531405016>>531405068i can agree on the boobies, but goth is a huge turn off. actual goth girls are gross and into stupid shit like energy crystals and wicca, so basically everything morrigan was actually into in the fantasy space.
>>531405137that latter part of starting shit unsolicited with NPCs even when they're being helpful is what bugged me. just felt like she always had to chime in with some argumentative bullshit. wanted to muzzle her.
>>531405130>swap the models aroundI want a sexy blackfu though
>>531404976Lmao, not even that. He gets nothing
>>531405137>pommels you in the head>stun locks you to death
>>531404948Goth girl you can have a kid with. Anons don't believe it was Leliana was more popular back then.
>>531405417>that latter part of starting shit unsolicited with NPCsYeah but her banter with the companions and dialogue is good so I forgive her for being a dickhead at times
> actual goth girls are gross and into stupid shit like energy crystals and wiccaAnd some men are into warhammer 40k miniatures and paradox games, what can I say? It's how things are
>>531405068No one was truined by the sequels harder than morrigan lol
>>531404948>contrarian that would argue with or insult every npc you encounter as a party for no practical reasonThat sounds more like 4chins
>>531405396idk i was really basic as a teenage boy. leliana was a traditional super model type of beauty with a rarer hair color. stinky weird girls with shitty attitudes are something that can only appeal to me now as an adult like 20 years later with weirder and more esoteric tastes.
VISTENZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>531405623>turns your testicles inside out with a spell outlawed in 90% of realms>flies away with a fly spell >forget to cast feather fall>die>wife and kids have to pay the resurrection scroll
>>531405801how the fuck is she still alive?
>>531405767Theyโre the same thing
>>531405941ancient slaaneshi secret
>>531406075Did they listen to Vyattfags?
>Act 4 has another chainflamer
>Still says Vindictor on the side
Cool effect though.
>>531405614What do Argentafags get
>>531406734Unfaithful whore
>>531406734I wish they'd given her a makeover for this bit
>>531406921Also nothing. You are exactly the same. Just a bunch of pathetic incels
>>531407079The unsanctioned psyker suddenly the most popular character
>>531407079Seelah not being a romance option because you're not allowed to fuck the paizo pets disgusts me
>>531392791killed Idira, because unlike redditors I actually roleplay my characters instead of trying to arbitrarily get as many scenes as possible without engaging with the narrative and setting
just as a reminder to secondary lorelets ITT
>"Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch." - Black Templar oath in Codex:Black Templarskilled Yrliet, because unlike redditors I actually roleplay my characters instead of trying to arbitrarily get as many scenes as possible without engaging with the narrative and setting
just as a reminder to secondary lorelets ITT
>"The Alien dream is to dance on the grave of Mankind." - Codex:Deathwatchkilled Marazhai, because unlike you redditors I actually roleplay my characters instead of trying to arbitrarily get as many scenes as possible without engaging with the narrative and setting
just as a reminder to secondary lorelets ITT
>"There is no end to the abomination of the alien. Do not allow any guise of sentience to stay your hand - there can be no hesitation when the survival of humanity as a species is at stake." - Inquisitor Kartize, Ordo Xenos in Enemies Without, Supplement for Dark Heresy Second Edition iconoredditors can continue to mald
me, jimmi and argenta will still chud out all over the Koronus Expanse
>>531407615Are you the Isobeltranny any chance
>unlike redditors
>Black Templar oath
>>531407615>unlike redditors I actually roleplay my characters instead of trying to arbitrarily get as many scenes as possible without engaging with the narrative and settingUnfathomably based. Your post will anger many iconokeks
>>531407615So are you roleplaying a black templar or a member of the deathwatch or an inquisitor?
Because I was under the impression that you were supposed to be playing a Rogue Trader
>>531407615The most reddit post itt
>Destroy 3 Geth bases on 3 different planets
>Tali tells me theres a 4th planet where their main base is
I fucking hate the Mako
>>531401618Much rather have discussions on if Desna does anal than the alignment discussions that RT dredges up every time
>>531405130>>531405130>you swap the Argenta and Idira character models aroundThat would literally fix any remaining gripes I have with idira. Even this was fuckable because psychosis is hot on swarthier women
>>531408027Does Desna do anal? Does Arue?
>>531408027Pathfinder is just the same shit but bitching about azata
>>531401618>>531401813Today i will remind them
Anyone else hesitant to play RT before all the DLC gets released? I hate replaying a game just to get through content released since I last played.
>>531408365RT has enough differences that you can do in different playthroughs that I'm fine with a replay once the second set of DLC drops
>>531408248I liked when he did this randomly for no reason.
>>531408365no im fine with replaying the game.
>>53140824840kiddies are annoying but at least we don't have to deal with this fag anymore.
Watching him get mindbroken over veilguard was funny though.
>>531407009I am faithful.
I haven't slept with anyone other than them
>>531408027>if Desna does analsince she was shoved into a lesbian poly-throuple-whatever-the-fuck, I doubt it. paizo's pandering cowardice would never permit desna to spread her divine cheeks for a deserving man
>>531408165Yes
Hesitant about it if good until Desna says it's cool
If evil, will probably offer anal before vaginal
>>531408565this is why they're all being raped by my donut steel...eventually
i've got a lot of stuff to do before then
>>531408365No, I've already played it many times
>>531408565She can shove some fingers in there
i donโt play these but does one exist with welsh/celtic theming? and can i play as a twink?
I can't decide between Yrliet and Kibellah
Help me
>>531407615noooo you're missing out on this shitty friendship subplot that reads like low quality fanfic you fucking nazi chud!
>>531408565Desna is a sloot of the highest order. She has a secret son with Cayden Cailean
>>531408365Owlcat really shouldn't dripfeed content like this with their spaghetti code. Its so annoying having things break with every update.
>>531406734>IgnatiusWhy are you playing as a mexican?
>>531409064if your MC is female then Yrliet and if its male then Kibellah
>>531409064In a relationship? You can fuck Kibellah and Yrliet calls you an ugly monkey that she would never touch
What game has the best sidequests? Best companion quests? BG2?
>>531409064Kibellah is more rewarding in the end and has more romance content
But Yrliet's final romance scene is very pleasing if you like her enough to take it that far
Personally I'd turn off jealousy using toybox and do them both but if you had to choose I'd choose Kibellah
Be careful though because if you talk to Kibellah wrong she'll say "thanks for helping me Domin!" and leave you to focus on her career
>>531409189Ignatius means fiery in latin
i'm playing a pyromancer
>>531409075Trying too hard.
>>531409189not that anon but i'm pretty sure that's a/the default RT name.
>>531409316Yrliet is structured as a lesbian relationship and makes way more sense that way
Kibellah is very sexually charged and makes far more sense with a man, frankly makes little sense if the RT is a woman
>>531409316Yrliet is for dykes, Kibellah is for breeding
>>531409370I played the game at release and followed Yrliet's, but since the game was bugged I never got to finish it proper.
The last romance scene I had was the whole soul crystal thing. I never went beyond the point of no return. Do you mean there's another one after?
>>531409503>bloody latex psycho gf>makes little sense if the RT is a womanHow little you know, my friend. How little you know
>>531409503Kibbles has a lesbian haircut tho
Yrliet's romance is probably the best asexual romance representation in video game history
How do you guys feel about Colony Ship, Age of Decadence, and Arcanum? I'm trying to figure out what to play next
>>531410373I heard Arcanum is great
Age of Decadence though, I tried it three times and I fall asleep 1 milisecond in
>>531410373Age of decadence>Colony ship>Arcanum
>>531408960Expeditions Rome/Vikings is the closest we have
why the fuck would you play a pure dogmatic character? you are a rouge trader not a inquisitor, you should only be dogmatic enough to get the imperium off your back. your job is to find trade routes and planets then make some money. if you can get away with making a dogmatic or heretic option that will benefit you then you should.
>>531410373Arcanum is massively overrated.
Recommend me a crpg that i probably haven't played
>>531410005that's like being the best representation of an unsalted plain cracker.
>>531410005It's not a romance
>>531411203It's very romantic though
>>531411081Konung: Legends of the North
>>531411143hot take: it feels like all of the straight male romances are fucked up in RT and most cRPGs more broadly.
>kibb: psycho religious fundamentalist that cuts herself open and bleeds everywhere 24/7>cassia: a mutant fish with a veiny face and blood red eyes. looks like one of those babies born with cyclopia>yrliet: most severe traitor in the game. also doesn't put out>jae: actually conventionally attractive. :) puts out. to the whole ship and its crew. :(femanons get heinrix, marazhai, and solomorne that are all conventially attractive and put out. i don't even blame the totalheinrix femanon. we're still posting ITT about morrigan and leliana from 2009 purely on their virtues of not being terrible to look at and being willing to engage in monogamous sexual relationships.
>>531411203It's incredibly romantic
>>531411250I genuinely feel sorry that you have never experienced love if you think there's a hint of romance to it
>>531411417>>cassia: a mutant fish with a veiny face and blood red eyes.So your only problem with cassia is her looks? Incredibly vapid. She's not even ugly
>>531411494>Girl literally swears to be at your side for the rest of your life>not loveSorry you didn't get elf pussy
>>531411621Doesn't she progressively become more and more deformed as time goes on?
I see we've moved on from grimdark autism to unprompted yrliet seething.
>>531410005>asexual>from the race that literally fucked a chaos god into existence>asexualwhen will yrliet fags finally realize that she's not asexual, she's just not that into you
>>531411624>>Girl literally swears to be at your side for the rest of your life>Then she leaveslmao
>>531411417Nobody's posting about leliana lol. Nobody posted about her even 15 years ago. Morrigan is all people talk about when remembering DA waifus. Cassandra has more buzz around her than leliana
>>531411621she's literally a fucking mutant. she has gills, sharp claws, elongated limbs, and bleeds from the third eye on her forehead when distressed. hardened deck officers that jump through the warp every day literally flee the lounge when she's in it because she's so hideous. yes. my problem with her is her looks.
Some of you are really retarded and I used to think you do it on purpose to ragebait but I'm not so sure no more
>>531410373Arcanum is really cool but super jank. if you can deal with awful ui and some tedious dungeons you might love it.
Age of decadence is interesting but I haven't really given it a proper try. I did one playthrough as a merchant which was interesting but I was a non combat character so I can't really comment on the combat or how the other routes feel. I didn't really like how constrained it feels, if you don't put you points into the right skills you can actually get softlocked .
Haven't played colony ship yet.
I picked Cassia because I am a sucker for princess/noble girls. Her unintentional rudeness when dealing with commonfolk is a bonus
>>531368773 (OP)>What are the best crpgs for wizards?Wotr, NWN1, BG1 and BG2, Morrowing, DoS2, Divine Divinity
>>531411819>Ctrl + F - "Leliana" 8 matches found>Ctrl + F - "Cassandra" 1 match found, (You)r posteven if you were correct, you wouldn't be detracting from my point and are just chiming in to be annoying and argumentative like a bitch.
>>531411909It's adorable how naive she is at times
>>531411719Yes, like all navigators, but you never get to see it, and that anon describes her the way she is in the game like she's some freak of nature. I absolutely would a cassia looking girl. Red eyes and pale skin aren't considered ugly even irl. Veininess is a bit of a fringe case, and can be ugly, but it's not extreme in her case or anything. Saing that Cassia is ugly and not normal is just disingenuous.
>>531412090Me too desu
If I'm inside a setting like that I'm gonna go for the strange like Cassia or Yrliet or Kibellah. Why would I go for vanilla with so much cute and extremely borderline insane/autistic girls around?
Argenta is an exception though. She cute.
>>531412090bro this is gross I bet her tits have dark nipples and tons of veins
I've just finished cooking myself dinner for the next 3 days. What about you anons? Have you done anything nice for yourself today, or have you spent all your time arguing about inane bullshit?
>>531412349God imagine interlocking fingers with those long and slender claws of hers while sitting on a couch by the fire while reading a book together and she rests her head on the top of yours because she's like 7 feet tall
Cute
Rogue Trader needs more variant Bolters. The classic mag dump, pistol, and heavy are great and all but I want a Bolter Sniper, Combi-Bolters, and consumables that let you use alternate rounds.
>>531412369there's plenty of time for both. i cooked a few pieces of breaded garlic chicken cutlets over white rice for dinner tonight.
>>531409581Yeah there's another scene towards the endgame
She comes into your office and gives you a whole speech that she's clearly being rehearsing, see pic related. Then you go into her spirit world and wander around a bit, and see all her inner troubled thoughts, and she says something like
>Yrliet and Elantach>Elantach and Yrliet>Not as Eldar and Human, but as equals>do you feel the same?Then if you agree, you can mediate with her at will, same as you can bang the other girls on demand. You just go up to her on the bridge and tell her to go to your room for meditation and she's like "yes elantach <3", then there's a fade to black and you wake up by the bath.
>>531412369I went to work and then did 20 minutes of jogging once I came back, then I continued playing RT while I agonized over whether I should romance Yrliet or Kibellah
>>531412551Fuck it, I'm not spoiling myself. I'm gonna do it.
I'm sorry Kibellah, maybe next playthrough.
>>531412271if argenta was able to be romanced it would be a shadowheart situation where almost literally everyone chooses her and everyone else gets saved for what-if runs.
>>531410893Yeah exactly. Rogue traders are not rule followers
>>531412667I know, but hey, it'd be wonderful
You're only really roleplaying if you play your character exactly how I want you to.
>>531412617About half the time the ending slide bugs out and give you the "just friends' ending. But that's just a case of an incorrect etude status, and there is a proper romance ending slide
The colony system is really underbaked. There is tons of habital primitive worlds we run into that we should be able to colonize but just don't for some reason.
Gonna start WOTR for the first time. Thinking of rolling Crusader, but I'm worried about the lack of domains. Can I get by with them as the only cleric, or should I bring Sosiel/Lann too?
>>531411849Look at that enormous fish ass thoughever
ive finished assembling my iconoharem. the only dogmatic character to survive my purge was kibellah. and i'll be correcting that defect of hers in time.
Trvthnvke: Cassia's ass is not that big
>>531413094I'm trying but I don't see anything
>>531412924Yeah the game should have your main Colonies where the worlds have existing large population centres and can be invested all the way to maximum and minor worlds like the junk queen one where you can plop down a single upgrade in act 2 and another in act 4.
>>531413094oh she got the dumpy
>>531413118What alignment is the raven?
>>531412982Depends on the difficulty. Normal and below, just about anything is fine. Above that and you'll need to plan your builds out more. Crusader is probably my favorite archetype because the cleric can lean heavily into a martial focus and still have a ton of important buff spells to use. Granted, you're not going to get the same effect as a dedicated martial like paladin or fighter, but the spells make up the difference. I'd say Community is the best domain for crusader because Guarded Hearth is a force multiplier in tough fights.
>>531413215You could do it by having a bit more depth to the resource extraction. Instead of just plonking an extractium down there could be a couple of options, or development levels for different outputs. Maybe worlds could trade with each other, depending on if there's a safe route between them, and all of that would give you PF or other advantages, maybe factional rep. Make all rewards smaller but more numerous
>>531413371>>531413489Dog is Dogmatic, obviously
Eagle also because it's an irl Aquila
Skull is iconoclast surprisingly
>>531413215>>531413508all of that sounds great in a vacuum but imo is too much for the scope of the game. people already complain about owlcat minigames/campaign mechanics a lot. and the colony development was already sharing space with the ship combat.
>>531412023NTA but there are several people playing DAO right in this very thread, of course she's going to be mentioned
>>531413440I've beaten Kingmaker so I was planning on playing on starting with core difficulty and adjusting as I see fit. Thing is, I want to strike a balance between roleplay and meta so was planning to avoid building an Erastil worshipping crusader. Meaning if I do pick up community it'd have to be as a mythic ability.
>>531413742Ship combat was great. I'd want more of that
>>531413826>Meaning if I do pick up community it'd have to be as a mythic abilityWhich is more than fine, I usually play on core and run Sarenrae for healing domain and then grab community from mythic abilities. I get a lot of mileage out of both
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This thread is proof that you people really will bitch about anything.
Cassia is a princess. She's smart, rich, tall, powerful, and her questline even makes her become Novator. Her face is very pretty in a conventional sense. She has a cute courtship romance where she does not randomly bring up her ex boyfriends or anything of the sort. She is, by all means, the exact sort of relationship you people have asked for, yet you STILL complain because 40k as a setting has mutants and she is one of the more interesting mutants that are actually important to the Imperium so they embellished her character with that lore. Rather than being interested, you're just a shallow monkeybrain who says "a few superficial mutations? EWWWWWW" like a kindergartener.
Then there's Kibellah. Same thing. The setting features a strong religious dogma theme and this is a character who was raised from infancy in the cult, so her story is obviously being about the wrestle between fanaticism vs individualism. You can guide her in either direction, the writers have you an extreme level of influence over her, more so than is even realistic some might say, yet you STILL get people saying stuff like "her religion involves ritual scarification, just like many religions in real life? EWWWWWW".
Owlcat bent over backwards to write two romances that shore up some of the faults of their past romances and are basically fantasy wish fulfillment, the cute courtship princess and the utterly devoted goth, yet you people STILL complain. I'm normally a huge romancefag and I will replay a game just to see a different romance, but seeing this type of shit makes me almost agree with the people who say you will never be happy and to just allocate development resources elsewhere and don't tackle romances at all. Get a grip.
>>531414490Kibellah is good but Yrliet should to give me SEX too
>>531414490sorry not sorry, not reading all that gooner nonsense defending your waifu(s) honors. we get it, you like to masturbate.
>>531414490to be fair, most people like the RT romances. a handful of bitching anons with bad taste do not represent the majority. I don't think anything should change
>>531412924This is legit one of the biggest faults of the game, half the fun of the ttrpg is owning like 30 planets and doing absolutely crazy retarded shit with your wealth.
There are several planets I would liked to be colonies, and I fully expected the fuedal world in the dlc to be one but it wasn't. I expect them to add another colony in one of the next dlc's, it's such an obvious thing to do since there are so few and it's one of the fun parts of the game.
I also expect some other type of nonhuman companion. I expect we will interact with Trazyn's archive in some way, and that we will recruit someone there. Not neccessarily a necron, it can be anything since he collects everything. It could be a slann, or an ancient robot, or any other minor xenos.
>>531414490Waifufaggots will never be pleased. Its a shame, they have the most options in RT and still piss and cry.
>>531415290>I also expect some other type of nonhuman companionOrkFreebooter
>>531415290If they go with a Jokaero they can skip having a voice actor. Just use ape hooting
Solomorne should have been like this.
So what will the next 2 rogue trader dlcs be? I'm assuming chaos stuff.
>>531415981too potentially attractive and unlikely to sloot around and damage the goods as an arbites. forbidden. can i offer you a freak and an open relationship instead?
Studied Target vs Judgement. Which is better?
>>5314161923) Vault of Trazyn the Necron, some kind of unusual new companion, cybernetic implants
4) Ships Graveyard, could be a roguelike
>>531416478>could be a roguelikefucking disgusting, take it back
is Crusader Kings 3 a crpg?
>>531416601You get to explore the ruins of Crudarach with saves disabled and if you reach the lowest level you get a kiss from Yrliet, or if she's unavailable, from Pasqal
>>531416478>>531416716>Ships Graveyard, could be a roguelikegod i didn't even consider they could do this. will avoid the season pass just the be safe.
>Rogue trader game
>no ork freebooter companion
>can't even get one as a merc
>>531370752her haircut is dumb af
>>531414490cassia has a kino romance what are retards saying above? also dark heresy better continue the tradition of having a noblefag to court that wotr started with daeran and continued with cassia (jae is a FAKER)
Why isn't abelard romancable.
>>531418262>orkwhat's that?
>>531419159He's not into you
Idira owes me sex for saving her life.
>>531413874There's a mod that adds ship combat as a possible warp event
>>531419159he has a fucking wife and kids.
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CUTE!!!
>>531419962he impregnates Jocasta
>>531420235thats a fucking baseless rumor
>>531420296now now, don't be jealous
>>531420296Well SOMEBODY got her pregnant
>>531419962His wife passed away he is a singel gilf.
>>531420461She canonically only has sex with you so
>>531420515There really needs to be a separate term for grandpas because when i see gilf I instantly think grandma.
>>531420608i play female trader so
>>531420707So you're a tranny?
>>531420807will Jimmy fuck a tranny?
>>531419190>they add an ork>if nobody has a high enough lore xenos nobody knows it's an ork.
>>531422131Yrliet can pass the check, but all non-eldar look the same to her
>>531422131a major plot point is that an imperial planetary governor and all of the upper strata members of her staff don't know what an eldar is and literally can't recognize one infront of them in the flesh, so in owlcat's bizarro version of the setting it might be possible.
>>531422131>jimmy somehow doesn't know what a ork isWorlds best Inquisitor
>>531422321If you point it out to him, he just grits his teeth moodily and says nothing.
>>531422321He's your new normal human informant. Jimmy made sure he's not a traitor this time.
>>531415981yes but any discussion of her would've been met with yjk posters
>>531422287I NEED that image of someone having yrliet fail a knowledge xenos check
Do you still get/lose anything on specific mythics prior to Late Game mythics like GD/Swarm/Devil?
I believe they nerfed the book merge - you no longer preserve Lich spells and Caster Level etc.
>>531369009>I don't want to fuck this guyWhy not?
>>531425374if daeren was an anime femboy with a cute voice i would pick him every time
Owlcat, give me a deldar gf companion for DH or I might get slightly agitated.
The Dark Heresy eldar guy is a small-time corsair, probably mixed in all kinds of semi-legitimate activities among his kind.
One of his personal quests will be dealing with a feared corsair captain whom he owes money too, turns out it's Yrliet
>>531427636why would anyone dear Yrliet? she's autistic even for eldar standards
>>531369320>>531386972>>531425374I just think he's funny and like him being an asshole I didn't think he would take that as me wanting to get fucked in a bathtub by him and now he made me feel bad for telling him to get out when he ran me a bath
Still gave me the key though so I hope we can still be friends without him wanting to jump on my dick
>>531427824Autists can be fearsome
The RT's library was well stocked in books concerning void combat
>>531427636Hoping the Ogryn guy is funny
She better be romancable.
>>531397196Emil Darkhammer is the ultimate dogmachud, declaring exterminatus on planets just to fuck over his rival radical inquisitor
I'll stop being a Dogmachud the second it stops being the most fun path by far out of the three
>darkhammer
Why do warhammer characters have such silly names?
>>531429142I thought picking yourself up in cumrag through sheer willpower was cool desu.
Really excited to be playing this again. It's been well over a decade since I played it. I'm going to try out their controller support.
When is the next dnd crpg coming out? I need a mystara game.
>>531429667You know nwn2 is the one crpg where they could've overhauled the graphics to make it not look like shit and nobody would've complained.
I realized that the reason why Overseer is so cool and fun and so well done is because of Dark Heresy. Both Corsairs and Kroot have pet units, including your Kroot companion. They needed this mechanics for DH. Overseer is either backported to RT or was made with DH in mind
Also, after playing on Unfair+ where I actually experienced some difficulty for some time and had nice exchanges of fire and duels, had to utilize map and chokepoints, rethink my strategy and restart battles I too realized something. Cool battles take some time to play and game is already reaaaaally long. The fact that you can alpha strike everything now makes playing it bearable, but if they fix the balance and then add those two more dlcs (or more) getting through RT will be a really daunting task.
Might be why Dark Heresy is supposed to be shorter as well. Maybe they are planning to make more dlcs for it so base game can't be this long again.
>Went Warrior in DAO
>Can't lockpick for shit
I am going insane
>>531422321>lore xenos failed>I have met many ogryn in my time lord captain, this one seems a bit odd but they are capable of carrying out the emperor's will as well as any human.
>>531427636>[Observe your captor]>About her neck the scarred eldar pirate queen wears what to all appearances is an Aquila, carved in wraithbone >[Lore: Xenos] You notice an eldar glyph which you can best translate as "Star-Stranger" or "Wanderer-in-Darkness">[Lore: Imperium] The amulet shifts, and on the reverse side you recognize the double-V symbol of a Rogue Trader house from Koronus whose name escapes you.
>>531431781>yrliet romance is canonKINOOOO
>>531429667>excited to be playing this again. It's been well over a decadesame, gonna play it after I finish this new RT playthrough, so probably in two months
>>531430983Don't need a lockpick if you have a greathammer
>>531432943modding is cheating plus you will just spam save load since your retard will bash the item inside into a million little pieces most of the time
What is a neeshka? It sounds like a sneeze.
>Fuck Morrigan
>this triggers dialogue for Leliana, whom I have not even kissed
Ok Alistar.
>>531433229More like a shart
>>531434704Alistair's not talking about you
>>531434925Really? Whom, fucking Zevran? That would just be sad
>>531433229Like if Mission Vao was ugly and irritating and looked like Felicia Day
>>531436143But Mission is irritating
>>531436204That's bantha poo-doo
How the fuck am I supposed to do the rim station fight?
>>531430636NWN2 is such an ugly duckling, it inhabits this weird spot where I can't overwrite it with my own imagination due to its definition, and at the same time it's ugly as sin
I prefer fucking NWN when it comes to graphics
>>531436906I just fully rammed my ship into it and it died.
>>531436906I delayed it until I'd gotten a few more ship upgrades, especially better shields and extra fighter squadrons, then it was much easier. I was getting nowhere at first.
>>531436906Just put ship combat on Easy and kill it, it's honestly not good enough to suffer through.
>>531436906Take out the escorts and pepper it with torps
don't be bitchmade like
>>531437294
>>531437010NWN is easily the better game graphically. Even the animations are better.
>>531402939I literally stop playing KM after this
I couldn't be bothered anymore
Marrying Anora is pretty funny. Shame nothing ever really comes of it.
>>531430983Lock bash mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/301
>>531438443I love the little flourished the animation has nwn 1. Stuff like you're character ducking out of the way of an attack or raising their shield to block adds so much to the feel of combat.
I was so disappointed when I got to nwn 2 and it didn't have any of that.
can someone explain how mage hawke makes sense when amell hof and bethany were still taken to the circle
Deadfire location names sound kind of racist now that I am replaying it
>Cavern of Xaur Tuk Tuk
>>531438972Bethany only gets caught if you leave her behind while going to the deep roads. All three mages in the family were apostates in hiding.
>>531439120what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>531439251A lot of things.
>>531439168that doesn't explain why some people somehow didn't know hawke was a mage, except a throwaway line from meredith about how she let hawke run around doing magic in particular
>>531438882Nwn2 does have that, but you need the appropriate feats for the animation to play.
Maybe it's because Veilguard was so bad and I'm remembering things with nostalgia tinted glasses but Inquisition wasn't that bad. Also Cassandra was top tier, I still remember all the fags online getting mad she wasn't a dyke.
>>531439450The supposed reasoning is that Varric was just bullshitting a lot of the fights that happen in DA2. In act 1 Mage Hawke wasn't throwing around fireballs in broad daylight, he was fighting with his staff and using magic sparingly. He only starts openly being a mage when his influence is too much for Meredith to try to arrest him.
>>531439864Inquisition's main problem is the fetch quests.
>>531439472Main thing that annoyed was the lack of animation for stuff like cleave attacks. Felt really awkward seeing your character swing once and then everything around you just falls over.
>>531439864Lesbians had it worse than straight men because instead of Cass they got Sera
Which was the one the Iron Bull, or whatever his name was? You know the guy I mean
>>531440153qunari from inquisition
>>531439864Does said templarfu have a soft spot for rogueish mages who should be in jail? Asking for my inevitable run after origins and da2
>>531440139Sera is a pretty accurate representation of lesbians, wonder why they didn't like her. Too close to home maybe?
>>531440364The only boyfriend she's ever had in her life (she's in her mid to late 30s I believe) was a mage so yes.
>>531440426Why are you like this
>>531440426Tbh it's the cockney. Any other accent and sera would have been substantially more likeable.
>>531440426No. None of the lesbians I knew irl were like that. She's annoying and racist, if anything she's closer to the Chuds I've met.
>>531439864>but Inquisition wasn't that badYes, it was. It was absolutely godawful. Lack of any proper sidequests, garbage combat, garbage companions, boring enemies etc aside having to wait REAL 12 HOURS like in some mobile turd before game allows you to play next mission was inexcusable.
>>531403209Okay, I might have had other PC issues. Took out my graphics card and put it back in after going over my PC's insides with the dust blower.
>>531441202Lmao wtf can I mod that out? That's gross
How do you fix Pasqal after Commoragh? Or does he receive a permanent debuff now?
>>531391374I mean I still replayed Mass Effect even though that ended in a complete dumpster fire. Mods help.
>>531441450If you do not fix shit with skill checks or Tervantias while in Commoragh, you are fucked
>>531441336He's exaggerating if not outright lying.
You occasionally have to use your agents to undertake missions to unlock progression in the story, but these are like 15 to 20 minute things during which you actually go do sidequests, explore, clear rifts and such. And yes there is a mod to make them instant, but I never found a need to use it because you just play the game.
>>531441624Tervantis had no options for him and I picked the conviction options when seeing him again sooooo.
I mean, it's not like I'm going to have him in frontline combat anyway.
>>531392485I greatly enjoyed Morrigan, but for me it will always be Tali.
>>531440547Templar women lust for wizard men....
For wotr what feats do strength melee characters even want these days beyond the basic outflank/power attack/crit stuff
>>531441870You gotta collect bits of unusual crap from the streets and trade them for fixing your guys
>Click a bit to the side of the trap
>Watch everyone run into it like a bunch of retards
even as a heretic, i don't understand how all this shit just popped up
>>531442114Janris Danrok has decorations for every occasion
>>531442190>guess we doin chaos now
>>531442096>click to move argenta around the trap to disarm it. >click a little too far and she runs the opposite direction through the trap.
>>531441987Cleave/cleaving finish is always nice.
Lunge is a thing.
Shatter defenses still works for a lot of the enemies who are not immune to fear.
And if you prep for some of the new armor/shield mythics, might as well pick the relevant focus
And of course, trickster feat line opens up new picks.
>>531441625Nope, wrong. I distinctly remember game forcing me to wait 12 real life hours before I can start another mission. There was no mod for it either back then
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/3121
>The Scaling version reduces war table times along a relative scale; the longer the original time was, the further it was reduced. Ex: 24 hour missions were reduced to 6 hours, while everything under 30 minutes was left at default value.For an example this mod allows you to change some waiting times. Because originally 12 or more hours are a thing. And again, you can't speed it up in game. Because it's not in game time, but real one, like in mobile turds. You should go to sleep irl and then wake up next day to play.
Genuinely terrible, terrible game. Zero redeeming factors, an absolute turd. Even cinematic values are shit, they got rid off movie style camera angles in dialogues they were known for since Jade Empire/Kotor.
>>531442282>Never doubt me! XD
>>531442416I legitimately do not remember any missions that lasted nearly that long.
>>531442282>disarming traps>not just getting abelard to endure and run through them
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Icewind Dale time. Should I look up weapon options before picking, or are magic variants well distributed among the types?
>>531442683You can find a +3 of nearly everything, but if you want a decent spread and some unique items, avoid halberds, clubs and katanas.
Probably a few more, but that's what I remember on top of my head
>>531397196Plenty. In the original Eisenhorn trilogy there is an Inquisitor of higher rank than Eisenhorn who is both a psyker and Monodominant.
>>531442639>Urgh, my ears are ringing!
>>531442056That's what I did.
>Woljif casts Wracking Ray
>Critical hit!
>Woljif deals 21 Strength damage
>Woljif deals 15 Dexterity damage
dang
>>531397196You can't be "hardcore" dogmatic because the dogma is inherently flawed and hypocritical by design
>>531443107Hmm strange. There should be enough for everyone. It's in all sorts of places, including from that book event where you fight the birdman fag
Maybe sometimes you can have too many companions to patch up
well that was easy
i'm afraid chaos has no fervent lawtists so you might just end up a khornite
or maybe i'll become my own chaos god after princedom so you can be my lawmaker
>Arbites is pronounced ARR-BEETEES
God fucking damn it
>>531443184For me it's Ember
>Can't stop being a goody two shoes
Damn it.
>>531443663how are you supposed to pronounce it then?
>>531443795Should be Ar-bites
>>531443663I think you mean ahrbee'ees
>>531443795Anons been saying ayy-beetles
>>531443582He was the only companion I needed to patch up.
>>531443795>>531443821I know High Gothic and Latin are not the same, but it should be something like Ar-Bee-Tehs
>>531443738I'm glad I kicked that habit, asshole playthroughs are fun sometimes.
>>531439864Inquisition would have been a 6.5 to 7 out of 10 if they had cut 90% of the """open world""" and its myriad of non-content fetch quests and used the resources that went into that on tightening up the main story and companion quests.
>>531443923Ok that's odd. I think you might have to tell Tervantias how amazing he is first. I can't really remember
what's this character archetype called and why is it so popular
>>531443715I have her be pacifist, she never causes damage in my runs.
If you honestly have Ember casting Hellfire Ray, then I have nothing to say to you.
>>531441870If you tell Pasqal to rip out the xeno tech, he gets a permanent debuff. It cannot be removed. If you tell him to endure it you can instead go to Tervantias to remove it and return his original shit.
>>531444275Nerdy girl I guess. But Tali ticks off multiple boxes. She's cute, nerdy, exotic and hot all in one. Those massive fucking hips of hers are pure sexo.
>>531444275the mask stays on during sex
>>531444343I don't have Ember do anything because she's just not that good a party member.
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I honestly don't get why I suck so much at this game I'm on Act 3 and every fight turns into a spam heal on my frontline and desperately try keep them alive fight
I'm playing on normal as well and letting the companions auto level so I have no idea what I'm doing wrong
>>531444343>he doesn't have his ember casting friendship beams
>>531444275Nerd sexy
Was all the rage in those days
>>531444504>autolevelThat's what you're doing wrong.
Solas being canonically bald from stress is very funny and the Solavellans reaction to it is even funnier
>>531444343LAWmber burns the infidels in her ending though, as it should be
Why are all of these dragon age fags infecting my warhammer 40k thread?
>>531444504Yeah, I think the automatic builds are kind of shit.
>>531444474>good hexes>comes prebuilt for ray crit spam>doesn't need much else so she's free to take loremaster and pick up whatever other spells you might wantWhat more could you want?
>>531444885Jannies kept removing the /dag/ thread and the only alternative are Veilguard threads on /v/, which consists of people rehashing the same complaints for half a year
>>531444556>>531444886So I play this for the first time, choose normal because it's my first time, leave it on autolevel because it's my first time and I don't want to fuck anything up, only to learn that I'm fucking myself over doing this? I'm enjoying the game story wise but that's pretty fucking shit
I guess this is a good a place as any to ask, but how good is the Mass Effect Legendary Edition? Or should I just pirate the originals?
>>531444941She's a full caster, how about a good spell list for starters? I got enough people who kill shit dead, including the MC in mot cases, the fuck do I want with fucking ray spam or hexes that fall off past act 2.
just be glad that the /dag/ schizos don't touch this place
the /bgg/ schizos already come to terrorize this place with their own containment board
>>531445093Autolevel is a trap because not only are the builds shit, but you learn nothing by using it. Literally just taking the recommended feats and spells on level up will result in a better build and teach you how to build because you can read the options to see what they do.
>>531445172Because rays don't fall off, on the contrary they have some of the highest damage scaling with items, feats and mythic abilities. And they target touch AC, which depending on difficulty could be the only way to reliably hit an enemy.
>>531444343If casting Hellfire Rays is so bad, why does Andoletta grant her the power to do so?
>>531445373Well that fucking sucks
>>531445149Legendary edition is fine.
>>531445149The differences are so minor that you'd have to be looking for them
>>531444885As if you faggots don't ruin everything you touch either. The Total War general becoming a glorified Warhammer general is proof of this.
>>531444375You would lose put on his most badass moment
The permanent debuff is worth it
>>531445394I didn't say Rays fall off, Hexes fall off. And on Unfair you run with Mercs anyway since you can actually build them yourself to have non-shit builds, so why bother with an inferior Ray caster (or any non-DC caster, frankly).
>>531445521>>531445620What about stability? I recently played the Bioshock games and they kept crashing on me.
>>531445650>most popular total war games are the warhammer ones>wtf why are people talking about warhammer
>>531445172>what could you want with consistently high ac bypassing damage, some excellent debuffs and a decent selection of buffs that can be augmented with loremaster
>>531444885I finished RT and, not knowing what to do until DH is out, I finally got around and tried Origins
I imagine me blogposting about it helped spark interest, and another anon also started a run so we are at least two
>>531444504Yeah autolevel is bad, also because it shields you from actually thinking about your build a little.
On Normal you shouldn't have to be meticulous and careful about it, but you should have an idea of what works for a character and what doesn't.
Hover the tooltip of an example attack against you so we can see their +Attack vs your AC for example.
Hover over your AC in the character sheet to see what's being applied (and what might not be). One thing that might not be clear to new players is the max Dex bonus to armor. There are a couple work-arounds but essentially if an armor has max dex bonus of 1 for example, a high dexterity won't contribute to armor.
If you give some details of an example situation or show your character/equipment then we can be more help.
>>531445745Never had a single issue with it
>>531445503>I didn't learn anything and just hit the "do it for me" button>now I don't know anything about how the game works or why things go badly for me>what the fuck this is bullshit!
>>531445793>>531445940Is it so bad that I should respec everyone? I'm lvl 10 and in Wintersun at the moment and my frontline companions keep getting fucked up constantly
>>531445720>And on Unfair you run with Mercs anywaySoulless
>>531444504>AutolevelOhnononono
>>531445846>damageAlready covered by like half the roster.
>debuffsDitto, and her unique ones fall off, or aren't that unique.
>decent selection of buffs...nigger what? She has inarguably the worst spell selection in the game.
>>531446056I assumed the autolevel would give the party members builds that would make sense and let me see what kinda things I should aim for in later runs when I finish this one
>>531446058Wintersun is hard, if you have other stuff, do that first and return later
>>531446058>I'm lvl 10 and in WintersunYou're underlevelled and in one of the first big difficulty spikes.
>>531445720>hexes>fall offSlumber is usable basically through the whole game. Demons generally aren't immune to sleep, and many of them have middling will saves.
Then you got all the buffs and debuffs that don't even allow a save, or do something even on a successful save.
The healing does fall off, but Regenerative Sinew is still great for fixing attribute damage, and in the endgame you get a free resurrection once per day.
>And on Unfair you run with Mercs anywayCan't argue with that, I've never played Unfair. Is that even fun?
>>531446058How are we supposed to know?
I would say the fact that you have no idea how things work as far as Wintersun is more troubling.
I would personally respec everyone yes, at least so you can understand what is actually happening. Maybe one character at a time so it's not overwhelming. But it wouldn't be overwhelming if you had just taken the time at each level.
Did you have trouble before Wintersun? If not then it could be that there's just some tough fights in Wintersun, and maybe it's better to come back later.
Also if you haven't heard before, definitely leave Blackwater to as late as possible.
>>531446294>>531446335Ah okay I was waiting for the army to show up and attack Drezen so I wanted to do that in the meantime I've already checked out the molten scar and dealt with the hag with Arueshalae
>>531445720>Hexes fall offNo they don't. Fortune and Protective Luck are amazing all throughout the game, especially on Unfair
>And on Unfair you run with Mercs anyway since you can actually build them yourself to have non-shit buildsNot necessary, most of the roster is viable, doubly so the casters like Ember, Camellia, Nenio and especially Sosiel.
>why bother with an inferior Ray caster (or any non-DC caster, frankly).Because they're fun and ray casters don't invalidate DC casters either. On that note, DC casters benefit greatly from having hexers around to lower enemies' saves so their spells can land more reliably, and Ember is just as good a hexer when built as a ray caster, so she can cover both support and single target high HP target deletion roles.
>>531446549I hope you get thrown out of an airlock
>>531446058Respeccing is so tedious I'd rather restart the game than do everyone, but you could try one or two characters to see if it makes any difference. The longer you wait, the more tedious it becomes, since there's more levels to go through. Also you could try going elsewhere to level for a bit, I think the chief of Wintersun is one of the toughest mandatory fights in that whole act.
>>531446549>having mixed convictions That's honestly more disgusting than playing Iconoclast or Heretic
>>531446058>I'm lvl 10 and in WintersunYou're a bit underleveled for that area. Don't just rush to the main objective as soon as you can, explore a few secondary areas first. Also don't touch the Blackwater dungeon until the very end of the chapter. Can you post your character and your current party? That way we might be able to give you a few pointers.
>>531446735Clicking whatever [alignment] says is not roleplaying
>>531446872>>531446912Iconoclast and Heretic fucking suck compared to Dogmatic and nothing will change that
>>531446969Iconoclast, yes.
Heretic, no
>>531446969>[Dogmatic] hurr durr fur da emprs!!>based... so fucking sazed...This what imperiumdrones actually are like
>>531446969Are you a servitor?
>>531446969A lot of iconoclast options are fine
>>531447104>>531447147herekeks coping so hard with their dogshit route holy fuck
I like the option that goes
[Dogmatic] Execute him at once
>>531447362dogmatic feels more evil than heretical
>>531446549I can understand why commoners in WH40k turn to Chaos. They live in abject misery, with no hope of anything better. But how could you possibly justify it as a Rogue Trader? You're one of the wealthiest individuals in the universe. There might be others with more resources at their disposal, at the highest ranks of Imperial bureaucracy, but they're nowhere near as free to use those resources. What could Chaos possibly have to offer you, that you cannot simply buy?
>>531447457THE PRIMORDIAL TRVTH, FAGGOT
>>531446912It is if you're Dogmatic.
Actually the only way to properly roleplay in this game is to ignore all roleplaying and pick exclusively things that have a dogma tag on them
>>531447552>i can't keep my emotions in check so i guess I'll foldnice truth bro lmao
>>531442830thanks. shame about halberds.
>>531447608Do people like this think theyโre funny?
>>531447552There is no primordial truth dude. That's just a lie Tzeentch tells idiots to get them to gouge their eyes out. Because he thinks it's funny.
>>531447457Immortality for one
>>531447825I'd rather die than turn into a Chaos mutated husk, have you seen nurglites?
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>>531447886Yes. They seem to be having the time of their "life". And when was the last time you smiled?
>>531447457I used to sit in the shadow of my father's house, squatting as the air shimmered, and wait for scorpions to scuttle out of the glare. I'd catch them in my bare fingers and hold them up, watching them wriggle. I'd pluck their limbs off, one by one. Sometimes I'd get stung, sometimes I wouldn't. It was a kind of game, though not a very good one. Once, a sting made me feverish for a month, leaving me boiling on my mat inside with visions and shaking. I might have died. I didn't care much, either way. Once I'd recovered, I was sitting right back out in the porch, waiting for the next one to scamper into range. Ever since then, I've played the same game: get close to the danger, see how long you can last before it bites you.
They were all the same - thick with filth and haze and the stink of perspiration and refuse. My parents were exasperated with me. They wanted me to learn a trade; get ahead, find something useful to do. I didn't want any of that. I wanted to be rich without trying. I wanted to have slaves and concubines. I wanted to play my scorpion game with people.
I wish there was another path called Xenophile
Eldar are superior to humans in every way, why can't I be an Uncle Tom for them?
>>531448125remember what happened when the death guard got cut off from Nurgle's numbing influence? they started offing themselves once they could clearly see what has become of them.
If ember or daeran ever left your party you didnโt beat the game
>>531446969Patently and provably wrong.
>>531447825Any ultra-rich noble can easily live for several hundred years. There are technologies in the setting that can let you live for many thousands, or even attain clinical immortality, that might well be within the grasp of a Rogue Trader who dedicates his life to finding them.
There's no REASON to obsess about your own mortality, and even less of one to see Chaos worship as an answer.
>>531448281If your party wasn't
>Arueshalae>Ember>Daeran>Regill>[Free slot]You didn't beat the game>
>>531448302I want thousands, not hundreds. I want eternity
>>531448230the yrliet romance didn't give you enough of a taste of being a retard slave?
>>531448338>if your party wasn't basically dogshit you didn't beat the game
>doing random warp event
>Take Idira with me because I want the team wide buffs with raven
>Idira explodes 2 times
>Summons a blood letter and a daemeonette
>My RT psyker tries to lava beam them
>Summons plaguebearer
>I actually lose
That was the first time I lost. I was wondering why Idira summoned so many demons but then I saw that I gave her the items that make any perils of the war summon a demon in exchange for some big buffs
>>531448369The average chaos worshiper dies violently in less than a year.
>>531448514Yes, the issue is indeed with most of those companion's skills.
>>531447409>dogmatic feels more evil than hereticalit does a lot of the time. i'm 100% convinced that they semi-regularly forgot they weren't writing pathfinder while writing the script for RT.
>let argenta kill idira>only possible dialogue option when vigdis calls is something like>Idira won't be bothering us anymore. Come clean up your friend's corpse. BITCH.even argenta who pulled the trigger wasn't that needlessly callous about it. i didn't get to mention duty or piety for the emperor or anything like that.
>>531448369Just but a halo device on the black market. It will probably leave you less fucked up than worshipping chaos.
>>531448572You just have to believe yourself to be above average, no different than dogmautism in the end
>>531448302There was no reason for alexander the great to conquer past turkey, and yet he did. He would have had already a big empire, could have been revered as a god and all. Yet he kept pushing.
People are ambitious, the reason the human race has developed so much is because the only direction we know is forwards.
>>531448369Goddammit, Roa
>>531448268And what happened to ultramarineultra loyalist astral claws that got pushed to pay more taxes? Everyone gets fucked in one way or another, so why not live a little. That said all of the paths in the game are undercooked and have their share of retarded so I might as well go with the one that gives me the most amusement.
>>531448302>that might well be within the grasp of a Rogue Trader who dedicates his life to finding themAnd tell me how do all of those stories end?
>>531448686Why do you insist on saying retarded shit?
>>531448540Are you sure two psykers are enough? If you'd had Heinrix as well, you could have gotten four daemons. One from each chaos god.
>>531445465She doesn't. It's from the ring.
I also just found out that if you metamagic a spell granted by an item, you can keep the spell after you remove the item
>>531448598Actually a skill issue.
Dogmatic is literally the
>1. [Lawful Good] I don't like you. Die!
Path in RT.
Retarded murderhobo all around.
If you didn't go lich and use stauton with the vanilla build ydbtg.
>>531448775Well, I was fighting pink horrors so yeah, there was a point where all the demons were out there.
Honestly it's the blood letter that scares me
>>531448795Look at what blackened does.
>>531448771Yes she does.
>Blackened>At 15th level, add hellfire ray to your list of spells known.
MORE HERESY!
MORE!
holy shit
I just got attacked in my room in RT. Isn't it a bit strange that my romance partner Kibellah wasn't in the room with me?
Do I bang her and then send her out? What the hell do the companions quarters look like even?
The only actually badly built wotr companion is Regill and even if you go Hellknight heโs still fine
>>531448746>conquering new lands and expanding the borders of your empire is basically the same as becoming a willing slave to satansure
>>531449089kek, it's weirder for kibellah because she's
>YOUR SHADOW, YOUR BLAAADEand i would imagine her just climbing into the rafters and watching you sleep instead of actually leaving.
>>531448893>this nigga hasn't played Lich in like 2 yearsNewsflash, they changed his build yonks ago. No more shitty towershield and whatnot, just a proper war priest build.
You can't max a path unless you go all in, right?
I'm going for iconiclast, but at the start of the game I went through the flames, I didn't put on the heretic clothed and also blew up Rykad Minoris
>>531449153Nah, pretty sure the worst offender is the Sosiel's brother from the arena. Whatever his name was.
>>531449215>I'm going for cuck>*exhibits non-cuck behavior*there is still hope for you, don't damn yourself so soon
>>531449215pretty sure they buffed it around void shadows release and you have a lot more leeway to deviate a bit now.
>>531449089Kibellah usually sleep in a cardboard box inside some ventilation tube if I had to guess
We see cassias room in her romance actually, it's nice
>>531449215I had max icon and if going past 3 didn't lock the others to level 2, would have had about 3 and a half dogma, too.
Especially with some of the Act 4 projects, maxing out alignment is super easy.
>>531448771>And tell me how do all of those stories end?Is it worse than the stories of Chaos worshipers?
How many Chaos characters there actually are in WH40k who are canonically more than a hundred years old, and weren't something like a space marine to begin with?
>>531449215I maxed it out and went heretic in the flames and blew up rykard, I also blew up commoragh
>>531449089The attackers waited until Kibellah left your room to take a shit.
>>531449476The only prominent one I can think of from the top of my head is Morgiana or whatever name that sorcerer bitch in Abaddon's Ezekarion had. The one who founded one of the branches of the Inquisition.
nobody actually likes Yrliet, right
>>531449338>>531449327Oh I see. At release it was like Mass Effect, if you didn't go blue/red all the way you got fucked over.
>>531449325I mean, just because I give alms and help poor peasants here and there doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to let a daemon world exist nor force Argenta and Cassia to wear heretic clothes
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Does this still work if I have Argenta as a Soldier/Arch Militant and Abelard as a Warrior/Arch Militant?
>>531449665I think she's cool.
>>531449665I like Yrliet for reinforcing all the lessons I learned from DoW: Winter Assault
>>531449665I love Yrliet, she's wonderful
>>531449717for the am archetype no
>>531449942I will never not be mad they made the Eldar side the canon one.
oh no
whatever will we do?
>>531449665as a character and representative of eldar, sure, but I hate any kind of elf overall
>>531443663Not even GW knows how it is pronounced
>>531450118The Eldar side should be canon in every DoW game
Taldeer never should've died
Just thought about yrliet again and started crying
>>531443663I say ar-bee-tussy every time because it's funny
I cry because Yrliet owes me sex
>>531449665i don't like her as a character but i like having her in my party for how visually striking and different she looks with her height and eldar equipment and wearing green instead of red/black like everyone else.
>>531449089>What the hell do the companions quarters look like even?
days without an apology for the action packed trip to detroit yrliet sent me on: 2338591
>>531449334They should really add small touches to the RT room to show off your friendship/romance with your retinue and the senior officers.
Don't the bloodspun cultists sleep in coffins unironically?
>>531450298you retarded fucking knife ear cuck lovers
>>531430636Yeah I'm so disappointed. NWN1, despite it's much more simplistic graphics, got a facelift with EE. Then they also added a bunch of actual content.
This NWN2 remake just seems to be the exact literal same thing, with different menus and I HOPE at least borderless option.
>>531450789Jae carves your initials into the bed frame
There's a lot of miscellaneous junk that piles up over the course of Jae's romance actually
Make a fucking new bread you lazy twats, I'm on the phone I can't do everything for you
>>531450789As opposed to sleeping in coffins ironically?
>>531450745>Didn't like Idira at first >Never use her >With the new overseer class, she stays in my roster most of the time this run >Crazy amounts dialogue, foreshadowing >Lots of banter with Heinrix and Argenta >Divination comes in handy a lot She's actually pretty based all things considered. Well, aside from suggesting I get unsanctioned psykers on the payroll.
>>531450789Crazy how you only get to see Ulfar's 'room'
>>531450968But what if we didn't?
>>531450794The Eldar are literally better in every single aspect. Fact.
Bitch, he's dead.
goddammit owlcat
>>531451105At dying? Spawning Chaos Gods? Getting fucked over in every story?
>>531451105Well they are certainly the superior creators of unecessary chaos gods and at fucking everyone including themselves over.
>>531428520she;s a bit fugly but i do hope she's a decent quality Dogmatic Romance choice
however i can't fuckin get over her Surname being Spes, it sounds so fucking retarded it makes me giggle when i read it
>>531451089You see cassia's as well
>>531451356Oh right, I forgot about that, it happens when you get her the library right?
>>531451406Yeah, I don't know if it triggers for any other gift
>>531451228>>531451230Eldar
>Better technology >Better genetics>Stronger, faster, smarter, more long lived>Better looking>Have created like 8 godsHumanity
>Don't understand the technology they use>Dumb, slow, idiotic, have to rely on literal lab-created mutants>Ugly>Their """""god""""" is stuck on a yellow toilet and can't move. Not to mention his worst failure which doomed his entire species was attempting to replicate Eldar technologylmao
>>531451595>smarterlol, is that what you call having zero foresight for the future of your race?
>>531451595>better technologyDaoT humans had better.
>better geneticsSo good it literally takes them ages to rear new young lmao.
>Better lookingHave you fucking seen Yrliet and basically every single Dark Eldar?
>Have created like 8 godsThat would be the Old Ones, actually, and they're not gods, they are semi-sentient weapons of mass destruction, all but 2 of which are dead lmao.
>>531451595bet you are one of the fags that think fleet of foot was fun and balanced to play against
>>531451812>Can't refute any of the others>The only one he refutes is wrongHumansisters...
>>531452024DaoT humanity didn't even come close. I'll grant you it was good but nowhere near Eldar level.
Face it anon, even at humanity peak they were still gorillas tossing stones at each other compared the peak of the Eldar empire
Just announce your arrival if you're aiming to kill Jae's faggots. Or just kill Falco last.
Jesus Christ, Owlcat
>>531452258Imagine being this delusional.
>>531452228I actually was the fag that had a blast hiding a webway somewhere on the map and also teleported my bonesinger into the necron base and disabled his building
>>531452324Why did the Emperor fuck up the webway then?
>N-NO IT ACTUALLY WAS MAGNUS!!!lmaooooo
>>531452258a decline caused by a series of unfortunate circumstances + chaos fuckery is still more respectable than "we've had it good too long, we need to fuck ourselves over right now"
>>531452258>DaoT humanity didn't even come close. I'll grant you it was good but nowhere near Eldar levelYes it did. I remember you, we had this exact type of conversation in a /v/ thread some time ago. You were just as wrong then as you are now.
>>531451595>more long livedeldar iq at full throttle lmao
>Even though their geniuses live thousands of years DaoT humans could still get close technologically
Clearly they are not smarter then
They have more time to get well learned, best case scenario.
>>531452258You do know Yirliet will still not fuck you even if you deepthroat her entire near extinct species, right?
>>531452671When's the Khan coming back, he's like the only halfway likeable primarch.
>page 10
>No new bread
Fuck you guys
>>531452671>>531452626>>531452435>>531452421>>531452414>N-NO WE'RE SMARTER THE WEBWAY AND THE CRAFTWORLDS AND THE FACT THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY YOU HAVE AND DON'T JUST PRAY AND HOPE IT WORKS DOESN'T COUNT YOU SEE TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO WE WERE SUPER STRONG TOO WE MADE THESE SUPERHUMAN SOLDIERS WHICH FUCKED UP OUR WHOLE CIVILISATION SO WE'RE STRONGlmoa
>>531452868May Groetus take this thread into his cold embrace.
>>531452868We are declaring exterminatus on /crpgg/ to kill the elfag
Can we argue about Pathfinder gods next thread? I have some choice opinions about Lamashu
>>531452938Yridet is so smart she can't even use human technology.
>WHY WOULD SHE USE LE INFERIOR TECHfucking retard lmao
>>531453121Only worthwhile god in PF is Desna and she's not even a god in the traditional sense.
>>531452835I'm a WSfag myself, but I'm not sure I'd even want him back. He was already not a fan of the Imperium before, and his distaste for it wouldn't change now. There's really nowhere new for his character to go with how things changed, unlike with Girlyman and Leo who are living in the Imperium they fervently fought against.
The interesting alternative would be for him to go rogue when coming back, but we both know that has zero fucking chance of happening.
>make a meth crystal
>hide your soul into it to live forever
>random mon'keigh snorts it
>you can now dieagain
epic plan there, space knife-ears
>>531452835Sanguinius, Vulkan (so long as the eldar aren't present), Ferrus, Corvus, Guilliman, and even pre-heresy Magnus, Horus and Alpharius all seem pretty likable to me. Even Angron elicits more compassion from me than dislike.
Khan does still stand near the top though. And all the others I didn't mention are absurdly dickish to the point of bringing them all down as a group.
>>531452938Eldar don't even have the outside factors excuse because Slaanesh wasn't born yet and Tzeentch is a mere 50/50 split on the opinion of creating his own competition
>>531453121Cool, that way I can argue that Iomedae and Sarenrae are the best and that Cayden Cailean is a reddit god and should be retconned
>>531453237You just watch GW turn him into the loyalist primarch who goes Chaos. They teased about one of each team switching sides for a while now.
Or maybe they just pack all that primarchhammer shit in again. fat chance lmao
>>531453320Is that you, Wyald?
>>531453189no one in the elysium lesbian polycule is worth following
>>531453276>pre-heresy MagnusLmao. His meeting with Sanguinius and the Khan before the council of nicaea shows how much of a pompous faggot he really was, to the point that to him it would be even inconceivable that others would not see his way when they hear his arguments based on factsโข and logicโข
>inb4 lemon defenderRuss is an uber faggot too
>>531449476>Is it worse than the stories of Chaos worshipers?No. They ARE the stories of (eventual) chaos worshipers lol. That's my point.
>>531453576>Russ is an uber faggot tooYou don't understand
He was only pretending to be retarded
THIS IS WHAT SPACE FURRY FAGGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>531453276Ferrus was a fucking asshole par excellence lmao, Corax was a giga emo with a chip on his shoulder, Girlyman I'll grant you, his main offence was being pretty autistic but in a sort of high functioning way, Alpharius doesn't really have any kind of personality on account of what he's meant to be, and Magnus loses like a billion points for selling his legion wholesale to Tzeentch and being an absolutely arrogant jackass high off his own farts. And Horus was a transhuman supremacist from the get go and social manipulator.
Meanwhile the Khan just wanted to ride and fight and ride again and actually treated everyone in his warband with respect, human or space marine.
>>531453402Khan switching to chaos would be even worse than him coming back to do nothing interesting desu
>>531453320Cayden Cailean is great because he allows Irori and his followers to shit on Iomedae at every opportunity
>>531453320>IomedaeYou will never be Aroden.
>>531453669I don't get why, Russ is pretty much the only primarch to get any fucking character development at all throughout the Heresy. Seeing him go from self-righteous and cocksure jackass to basically completely broken near the end and realising all the mistakes he made along the way was pretty good.
>>531452410>I actually was the fag that had a blast hiding a webway somewhere on the map and also teleported my bonesinger into the necron base and disabled his buildingThis is why you are here forever, as punishment for you sinful ways. Thousands plagues be upon ye
Stupid baking cooldown.
Gather your party before venturing forth:
>>531453879>>531453879>>531453879
>>531453669I actually don't know anything about Leeman except that he raped Magnus. How was he retarded?
>>531454082He basically got played and manipulated by Horus all the way, and he positioned himself and his legion in such a way that basically nobody cared about them at all, which came to bite them in the ass when they needed help in the early stages of the Heresy, cause the White Scars find them engaged with the Alpha Legion and basically tell Russ who's asking for their help to go fuck himself. For starters.
>>531453576Oh come on, red boy just wanted to keep nerding out and dad fucking outlawed his main hobby and reason of being, he's allowed to get mad when it makes no sense to him.
>>531453723>Ferrus was a fucking asshole par excellence lmao, An asshole, but an asshole with an actual point, unlike most of the primarchs just being full on assholes. You could argue he could have eased up on it, but I think his backstory does a good job of balancing out a bit how harsh he was.
>Corax was a giga emo with a chip on his shoulder, Who cares? Dude was still a freedom fighter. Let him listen to his Linkin Park and Three Days Grace cds, he still had a pretty good balance.
>Alpharius doesn't really have any kind of personality on account of what he's meant to be,You can read up on Alpharius before the Crusade begun and from the anecdotes there are on him, he seemed to be a chill guy who just enjoyed doing his job as a security tester and ironically brought a certain degree of humanity to the imperial palace and treated the servants really well. I've never known exactly how Omegon fits into it, but, if we knew everything about him, then it'd miss the point of the primarch.
>and Magnus loses like a billion points for selling his legion wholesale to Tzeentch and being an absolutely arrogant jackass high off his own farts...he was going through a rough moment.
>>531454297>You can read up on Alpharius before the Crusade begun and from the anecdotes there are on him, he seemed to be a chill guy who just enjoyed doing his job as a security tester and ironically brought a certain degree of humanity to the imperial palace and treated the servants really well. I've never known exactly how Omegon fits into it, but, if we knew everything about him, then it'd miss the point of the primarch.Yeah the issue with all this is that GW drank the Alpha Legion kool-aid and preface (or postface) everything relating to Alpharius with "ooooh but was it all a lie maybe?" Legion was fine as a stand-alone kinda spy thriller type novel, but the shtick got real old real fast.
>>531454297>Oh come on, red boy just wanted to keep nerding out and dad fucking outlawed his main hobby and reason of being, he's allowed to get mad when it makes no sense to him.You talking about magnus, lorgar or angron? :)
>>531454297>red boyHe literally should've known better. Psychic shit is super fucking dangerous and just because he was quite literally made to be an ultra psyker on top of unironically going
>lmao demons ain't realThen unironically making a pact with one while truly believing
>hmmm yeah my IQ is high enough that'll get shit for free from this :^)He drank the secular kool-aid in the wrong setting
>>531454527I did say I feel more compassion for Angron than anything else.
>Lorgar...I don't think I'm willing to justify him, even if I do feel slightly bad about Monarchia.
>>531454251>White Scars find them engaged with the Alpha Legion and basically tell Russ who's asking for their help to go fuck himselflmao based
>primarchs and emperor are 2000 IQ geniuses
>act like 80 IQ monkies
>>531455379>IQ so high it causes an integer overflow
>>531454828What's there to even justify? The man quite literally wrote THE book on larping [DOGMATIC]
>>531454082Picture this situation.
>You're close (relatively) to Magnus' planet.>You get an order straight from the Emprah.>Get Magnus and escort him to Terra.>Start heading over.>Suddenly you get another message from ?.>It says "disregard previous order, Emprah changed opinion, kill Magnus, his entire legion, and raze the planet completely".>Instead of double checking or anything, you do it because you're already biased against Magnus for being a nerd.>Not bringing Magnus to Terra and attacking his legion ends up being what causes like half of the bad shit in the setting.Russ is basically a retarded bully jock that ruins everything because of "I'd cut my own arm off to spite someone who doesn't mind me at all but I find personally annoying" mentality.
Also, he fell into quite literally the trap that the Khan managed to avoid. Khan also started getting conflicting orders from multiple sources. Instead of just following the one that pleased him most personally like Russ, or just following them at random, he waited a bit to see if it cleared up, and when it didn't he decided to personally go to Prospero to check what had happened and who had the right of it, which is definitely another reason why Khan stands among the best.
>>531455776You're fucking with me, yeah? He raped and entire planet on orders from someone other than the emperor, which went against what the emperor just told him to do? Again, I don't know much about Russ, but is his deal that he's a traitor or something?
>>531455776I feel Valdor carries A LOT of the blame for what happened with Prospero. The dude who is literally closest to the Emperor after Malcedor, and he doesn't see anything fishy with a completely new order coming from Horus that directly contradicts the orders he got from the Emperor himself. And he is the one who actively encouraged Russ to just follow that new order to boot, instead of waiting and checking.
Basically, half the heresy is just an idiot plot.
>>531455776By ? you mean the absolute warmaster appointed by big E himself and by double check you mean why didn't he wait anything between a week and fifty years for the message to go and return after receiving not one but two explicit direct ASAP orders from superiors already?
Get the fuck out. I don't even like space yiffs but you're pissing me off with this crap.
>>531456062Russ IS an idiot. When I first read his introduction I thought he was just the typical example of boisterous barbarian that enjoys making people underestimate his intelligence with good-hearted ribbing but is actually cunning, but no, it was completely unironic. He's a fucking idiot, and a bully, and one of the biggest spiteful cunts among the primarchs, and him flipping his shit in that first instance was the actual best demonstration of his character. Honestly when you read about "current day" Space Wolves, Russ really didn't deserve his chapter. Pretty much all of his named descendants are much better than him.
>>531456101Was it Horus who sent the message? I couldn't remember if it was Horus or Alpharius. Either way, the fact the second message clearly wasn't from the Emperor but directly contradicted the Emperor was such an obvious stupid thing to fall for.
>>531456510>Was it Horus who sent the message?Yes.
"News of this sanction fleet, meanwhile, had previously reached the ears of the now-corrupted Horus himself. Sensing an opportunity, the Warmaster contacted Leman Russ. Speaking with his brother, he was able to convince him that "to return Magnus to Terra would be a waste of time and effort", despite Leman's specific orders. Horus confirmed to his traitorous council of war that he believed this interjection of his into the Emperor's own decree would result in Magnus never leaving Prospero alive. To aid in this endeavour, Horus sent 5,000 Sons of Horus legionnaires as well as 12 Titans of the Legio Mortis. At the time, Horus apparently viewed this as the best course of action where Magnus the Red was concerned, in order to retain the element of surprise when he finally made his first move in open rebellion."
>>531456453>You get a DIRECT order from THE Emperor>Get a contradicting order from the guy below himhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder which one superseed the other hmmmmmmmm
>>531456453The fact remains Russ had DIRECT orders from the Emperor himself, and was on a mission of absolute secrecy. And then suddenly Horus just calls in and tells him "yooooo new orders for you disregard what the Emperor told you PERSONALLY and just kill everyone byeeee".
A smart man in such a situation would follow the orders from his absolute lord and master, and not some delegate. Russ in particular saw himself beholden to none but the Emperor himself. And yet he just accepts this HIGHLY FUCKING SUSPICIOUS CHANGE OF ORDERS to a T without question. Valdor, too. A man who by all accounts distrusted all Primarchs including Horus. And he too just accepts Horus sending new orders.
>>531456453I actually meant to type below that ? stands for either Horus or Alpharius because I couldn't remember which one sent the message and forgot, chill.
>>531453635But there are clearly routes to immortality that don't involve chaos. I'm pretty sure space marines are clinically immortal, and high ranking techpriests don't ever seem to die of old age. It's lost technology, but that doesn't mean it's an insurmountable problem.
And hey, if your quest for eternal life is still going nowhere after 400 years, you can turn to chaos then. The ruinous powers aren't going anywhere.
>>531456860>>531456967>go beat the shit out of this guy you hate and bring him back in chains>actually just go beat the shit out of himI don't see these being contradicting.
>>531456976Russ was an idiot, don't get me wrong. Main reason why his legion was used as the stick to beat other legions into place. But he did try to do right by Magnus under the circumstances.
"Before committing his forces to the attack, Leman Russ still attempted to communicate with his brother, Magnus. Believing that Kasper Ansbach Hawser was a Hidden One of the Thousand Sons, Russ attempted to speak to Magnus through him, declaring his fleet's approach and making a request to send away the civilians and surrender. As Hawser was not a Hidden One, but actually a pawn of Chaos designed to appear as one, the message was never received. Without attempting normal communication via vox, Leman Russ ordered the attack"
>>531457386>>go beat the shit out of this guy you hate and bring him back in chains>>actually just go beat the shit out of him>I don't see these being contradicting.There's a difference between apprehending him alone and bringing him back, willingly or in chains, and actually destroying the whole fucking planet, yes. Even sending just a message to evacuate civilians then attacking anyway when they don't is way too little.
I'm reading about Wotr's Dragon Disciple but I can't find a confirmation: Do you get full spell progression for Sorc?
Basically is Sorc lvl 20 and Sorc 10 DD 10 gain the same caster level of 20? Or is it like Magic Knight and loses some caster levels?
>>531457386>bring this guy back alive>kill this guyThese are not contradictions to you?
>>531457386>I don't see these being contradicting.You don't see the contradiction between
>arrest suspectand
>raze an entire planet to the ground???? Russ, is that you?
>>531457857THE LEX IS THE LEX
>>531457593>>531457760>>531457857You do understand Horus was given authority of the crusade second only to Emperor himself? If Kaiser Wilhelm told you to charge Sedan, and Marshal Moltke told you to charge Sedan and give no quarter you're not going to phone Berlin and wait for Willie to confirm that order.
>>531458467You're being seriously fucking obtuse, you know?
>>531458467>second only to Emperor himselfAnd guess whose orders Horus' was contradicting?
>>531458467If Kaiser Wilhelm told me to bring charge enemy lines and bring him Charles Lanrezac alive, and Moltke told me to charge enemy lines and kill Lanrezac, I would bring in Lanrezac alive, because at the end of the day, if Wilhelm himself actually wanted him dead, he can still do just that once I have brought him to him in chains.
Do you now maybe see the fucking issue you clown.
>>531458795Even correcting his analogy like that still wouldn't work enough because Kaiser Wilhelm wouldn't have said "charge enemy lines", just bring him a dude who's not even an enemy and in theory shouldn't resist.