Thread 531720452

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>AGDG resources
https://hackmd.io/dLaaFCjDSveKVeEzqomBJw

>Helpful links
New Threads: >>>/vg/agdg
Archive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg/
/agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
Steam Games by AGDG: https://agdg-steam.netlify.app/

>How to WebM
https://obsproject.com
https://github.com/argorar/WebMConverter
https://github.com/michaelmob/WebMCam

>Previous thread
>>531626137

made a level where nothing happens. not as a joke. because i can’t imagine anything worth happening.

>>531720994
I'm not that anon with the shotgun. I'm that anon with M16.

>>531720452 (OP)
Post your Game.

This is just a mock-up but this game idea has a lot of potential to be great.

A rollerblading racing game with sexy 80s chicks in highleg leotards (which you can dress up and customize of course), or maybe you could just steal Motorball from Gunnm and make it a sexy and hyperviolent rollerblading ball sport.

Has this been done before?

>>531646667
Not-a-newfag here.
Is Chris a real person, or a meme?

I used AI voice acting in my game. Is that alright with you guys? Guys?

>>531721560
What is a person? <breaks wine glass>
A miserable little pile of memes

>>531721560
He's not a person, he's a Colombian.

>>531721876
ask the devs of liar's bar.

>>531722246
That game has voice acting? I've only ever seen Neuro play it…

>TFW vibecoding a pretty cool game
>It's in javascript

>Solved a bug that impact the difficulty
>Now I must replay the whole game to check if player can finish it.

>>531718630
Thanks for the feedback anon, here's version 2

https://vocaroo.com/1kEv6aO4bCV9

I'll have to go back in and arrange it a little better and extend some parts but I think it's coming along

>>531722867
>He doesn't have gameplay unit tests
also cute feet

I'm trying to figure out 3d to 2d sprites. How's this look?

>>531723036
NTA but its a little chunky for my tastes, even though I like the melody.

>>531723805
Amazing

>>531720994
nope, but hope he has as much fun with making his crosshair system as I did
>>531720725
>HDRP
May God protect you.
>>531721978
oh dun worry, once I populate that customization window with more gizmos and options, I'll tweak the sizes

>>531723376
nice raylib game, anon

>>531723805
>3d to 2d sprites
I actually have experience with this! This video is all you need for making sprite sheets..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5okZLZzFY
>How's this look
Great

>>531720916
The best way to boost creativity is to survive in an inescapable hellhole where the only way out is your imagination.

>>531722498
>>>/p/edosky

>>531724106
transgenderist game

>>531723938
I guess I'm on the right track.

>>531724152
I've seen that video but I'm actually doing it in Unity. That way I can automate the whole process in Unity with some scripts.

Trying to get the shading and lighting to resemble some of those old games that did sprites like this.

i just realized that i never wanted to make a game - i wanted to have made one

>did something really really really inefficiently and fucking dumb
>have to go change something
>the really fucking dumb way I did it means it'll take like 1/8th as much time as it normally would

dev rocks

>Mom made me horrible dinner again
I wish I could just eat McDonalds

>>531725282
did you consider learning to cook and then cooking your mom a nice dinner for once? of course not, because nodev is a fundamental personality trait that extends to all aspects of your life

TRVKE

>>531725095
this. Been doing shit I already did 2 days ago from scratch today for hours. fuck that

>>531725662
I have no response, I am a failure as a gamedev and as a son

I'm trying to do a 2.5D game in a style similar to octopath traveler but more minimalistic. However the art in my game just doesn't look right and I can't pinpoint all the things that make it look so amateur. Any feedback on what needs to change? Showing a couple of different environments, maybe the colors are clashing with the UI and the scales of things are wrong? Do I need different textures for certain objects? Feedback appreciated

>>531725662
Or you could have a mom that cooks good food

>>531725894
>son
I'm a girldev =^.^=

>>531724106
is peripeteia made in godot or unity?

oh there's the segfault

>>531725706
Richest indie devs in the world are either skinny or fat.

>>531724140
I don't know if you are joking, but thank you. For real. I just had a minor mental breakdown working on my 3D renderer and making this square move around is how I cope. It's fun.

Game boots directly to the credits.

Single name listed: mine.

Not as “creator.”

Just: “He tried.”

how do I make a pre-baked destruction animation? I feel like blowing something up

>go to blender
>cell fracture
>somehow record as an animation
>??
>profit

>>531725921
The enemies and characters look like a lump of pixels, fewer details compared to the rest of the environments, menus etc.

>>531726616
Wow, I won fast which means I'm smart, which gives me dopamine, which makes the game good!

>>531725921
Too minimalist. Hd2d works because people have nostalgia for 4 niggas in a row sprites, which all have a pretty similar look, and imply detail well(you can imagine the characters)
Your spites look cool on their own, but combined with a non minimalist environment they look wrong. I'd try minimalist textures in the environment, not so noisy, the trees would have to go, be replaced with smaller more silhouette based trees with 2-3 colors.

>>531725706
I Used to go to the gym but wasn't productive during that time. My most productive days were sitting in the chair 24/7 "crunching" without sleep. You don't need a gym u just need water & stretching yourself every now and then OR getting a standing desk so u don't have to do that
but don't take my word for it

>>531726392
Wrong.

People have jerked off and cummed to characters from my game...

Million Plus Z fighting looks identical to the original

Unity reports no errors. I envy it.

>>531721531
Have you ever played Road Rash?
This would be kino, btw

>>531727395
You've proven yourself wrong. The meta is to make it and then get ripped.

>>531727817
Gotta dev, no time for gym!

>>531721531
What a sick game concept.

>>531725921
The trees look gigantic.

Working on satellite today.
I got 26 wishlist, I wonder how people grow their following.

>>531726713
>Object is intact
>Make this keyframe 1
>Make another key frame
>Explode the object to an extremely exploded state
>Save this as keyframe 2
>Add frames between these
Explosion, check
>Now add keyframe 3
>Make the exploded pieces fade away, fade into the ground, shrink until they're invisible, whatever you want to do to make them disappear
>Save keyframe 3
Now by tweaking the frames between key1 and 2 you can determine how fast and violently it will explode. You can change how quickly it settles and goes away with the frames between 2 and 3.
Warning: This will look like shit, but it will get you started.
To render the animation you just use Render Animation while you're in the animation you want rendered in the action editor. I usually just use scripts that render multiple angles for each animation

>>531726916
good plan

>>531728323
You've got a good work ethic. I'm a nodev slowly learning how to get out of my situation. I respect how frequently you make progress.

Are you getting sometimes overwhelmed in gamedev? There’s so many things you can do, so many games you could create

>>531729252
I can only create the game I'm working on right now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1m2m6hv/infamous_spanish_youtuber_dallas_review_publishes/

AI bros now sell AI slop with AI code and AI music by 50 usd.

>>531729349
Why dont you start a second project? It seems like a good idea, you get to do more of the things you like to do

>>531725921
You need higher res sprites for 2.5d. I think your character sprites would be fine as regular 2d.

>>531729476
there's gonna be more and more slop like this headed to steam

none of the things i worked on today nade my game better

>>531729476
>still 37 reviews in 4 days
Kill steam piggies, stick them on a spit and roast them alive, in that order.

>>531729476
Is it fun tho?

I just realized I don't have to actually capture cool moments in my game for the trailer, I can just fake them. Theoretically they can happen so it's not false advertisement, but I can just script the enemies to behave the way I want and the grenade to ricochet exactly the way I want it to, and turn the character around right before an explosion and everything.

>>531729476
Gaben needs to start clamping down on this shit straight away or it will only get worse.

Remember a long time ago when Steam users had to "greenlight" which games could get released on Steam? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>531729476
based
>>531729908
since it’s a known streamer, probably a large part of buyers is his audience looking to shitpost in the review section
good on him to milk em for 40 bucks each

>>531729984
Isn't it the same as showing a video of opening a loot box and getting something very rare and good?

>>531730432
Is that illegal?

what's stopping your game from looking like a Blender render?

>>531730518
Performance

>>531730103
>Remember a long time ago when Steam users had to "greenlight" which games could get released on Steam?
there were like 1 million steam users at that point

AI was supposed to let me marry a 2 dimensional cartoon in VR and using brain linking technology to let me experience the softness of a drawn hand holding my own.
Now they're saying instead of that, AI is going to release a bioweapon by 2030 to instantaneously cripple the planet and drone strike the survivors.
The drones, reportedly, will NOT be sexy Ana De Armas androids.
AIfags, hope you're happy.

>>531730642
hideo kojima does it. He literally took blender plugin and made a game out of it

do you think God would think escapism is a sin? like "what, you don't like the world and life I gave you?"

Vibe coding is getting quite scary. I was able to mostly implement a niche board game I like in ~2-3 hours of working with chatGPT. Obviously this is nothing crazy, but still, it was minimal effort while I was pretty high/drunk for 2/3rds of the """dev""" work.

>>531730518
NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN

>>531731050
relax, nothing will happen. besides 2d girls look weird anyway and 3d ones are disgusting. just like focus on yo game mayne

If I had to describe the game i am making both gameplay and world with other games and media i would say its a mix between an obstacle course, hide and seek, survival, geocaching, destiny 2, rain world, steven universe, and the divine comedy

>>531731050
I watched that youtube video too!!!!

>>531731186
Gaea is it's own standalone software not a blender plugin

>>531731845
it just werks if you know what you're doing

>>531731749
maybe not? atleast in abrahamic religions the world we live in is seen as completely temporary and actually engaging and indulging in it too much is what is seen as harmful, whereas trying to escape it and devoting your actions to the next world and after life is what is seen as good.
however, worldly forms of escapism would obviously be sinful, since they are wordly.

>>531731749
>do you think a fictional character would think escapism is a sin?
Religion is just fandom for spic boomers instead of Tumblr girls.

The ringing in my ears hasn't stopped since yesterday, I'm getting worried now.

I have half of the footage recorded, should be able to get the rest tomorrow.
>>531723805
Make a FNaF World type game with this since it doesn't require many animations, actually really nice look.

>>531728323
Is your purpose with this game to

[ ] 1: Just make a game for the sake of making a game.
[ ] 2: Build a reputation as a game developer.
[ ] 3: Build a reputation as an artist.
[ ] 4: Build a reputation as a porn maker.
[ ] 5: Make money.
[ ] 6: Make enough money to make a living off it.
[ ] 7: Make sex material to masturbate to yourself.
[ ] 8: Something else (please expound).

>>531721876
Its not as bad as generating game sprites with AI, or even worse, generating the game idea itself.

>>531726309
Unitinu, and HDRP - I higly discourage using that renderer despite the cool decals.

i want to destroy everything in existence

>>531722498
>trump lost.

trump was not successfully assassinated
pre-world war 3 has not gone nuclear, so far

any suggestions on how kuwait could improve?

>>531734892
start with your own hatred

>>531735042
It's just a meme about javascript being super long and unreadable. Chill out lil' bro, this isn't /pol/

>>531735305
that's less possible than destroying everything else in existence

Do not under any circumstances use shaders. The game will NOT sell in Brazil

>>531735504
>Posting this clown

>>531721531
Won’t succeed. Payment processors won’t allow it sorry.

Now I will definitely use shaders.

>>531735504
why was this guy astroturfed into popularity?

>>531735504
True and based! Brazilfags don't deserve video games! Glory NVIDIA CUDA!

>>531735504
My game isn't even available in Spanish. I don't think Brazilians would play it.

My game is a story first and a game second

>>531735972
Post story

>>531735408
>trump lost.
trump is the current president of the usa, little faggot

what's your game?

>>531730518
Lack of texture streaming and tessellation in godot. It's crazy how much of a difference bump/displacement mapping makes in a rendering program.

>>531731749
I think God would be disappoint. Creation would probably please him, so therefore game devving is godly

>>531735880
Industry plant

>>531730103
Increase the Steam Direct fee to $1000. It will instantly cut 99% of the slop.

You can never trust anime degenerates, I swear

>>531736018
Expect it in an upcoming demo days, you can find out then

>>531736117
Just use parallax bro

>>531736184
The industry wouldn't know how to plant even if they had 100 gallons of Miracle-Gro

I'm gonna make a survival horror game with scary animatronics

my life as a dev massively improved ever since i started stealing art

>>531735912
Brazilians speak Portuguese

>>531736638
im stealing this bocchi

im so fucking sorry

>>531736425
>Just use parallax bro

Doesn't look right in VR because you can see the fake depth, it's like looking at a distortion in reality. Basically any trick that used to work for flatscreen games to add fake detail doesn't work in VR, normal mapped walls just look like flat surfaces.

>>531734129
>FNaF World type game
Is that just a JRPG?

>>531736457
Not a game industry plant. Influencer industry plant.

gaea? more like gaya, can't export a simple obj out of this shit, some retard did this software

Any Raylib bros here? It's nice not having pre-packaged enginebloat

>>531737270
It's also nice not having any gameplay to worry about, amirite?

>>531736297
then why are you one?

How should you split up massive classes with many conceptually related functions? For instance, I have a huge game board class with hundreds of lines of code. It has many functions that look for particular things on the board in particular ways. They're all relevant. Do I just make a search subclass purely for the purpose of organizing the code? What if it's still too long?

>>531722498
JavaScript is great. If you can't make a game work in JS, you absolutely wouldn't be able to in C.

>>531737270
im learning raylib because i don't have the vision

Last night I had a date. It was a disaster. The girl said she's going home because she's sleepy and told me I look sleepy too. I told her I'm going to be working on my game until 3am. 40 seconds of silence ensued.

>>531737459
Yes but that's because I'm posting in aggy daggy and not because I usd raylib

>>531736043
Are we not able to meme about the current president anymore? Kill yourself fag

>>531737816
>Kill yourself fag
the only faggot here is (you)
why so suicidal?

>>531737508
Can you give an example more specific to your case?

Imagine when your game gets famous and the interviewer for the talk show you're invited to has to search through thousands of these threads to find your posts and ask you about them

>>531737508
What language are you using? I would almost definitely say "no". I have a "grid" file that's 200 lines that moves pieces, and a "rules" file that checks if moves are valid or not. It used to be one file but I realized the grid could be useful elsewhere. I keep everything in a single file until I see it needs used somewhere else; that's the only time to pull it out

>>531737737
Dodged a bullet!

>>531737932
Get random enemy in radius, get nearest enemy to point, get enemies that can attack, get enemies with a particular reaction, get tiles of a particular type, get player characters within line of sight from a given point, so on.

>>531738019
The sheer, physical embarrassment and shame of my 4chan post history being televised is worth it to me to make it.

>>531737501
I’m not him, I just saw the bangs and knew something was up

>>531737508
Classes don’t have to model "things." This conception only arises from retarded ways of teaching OOP.
In your case, a good approach is probably to keep the game board its own class, but make it more of a data holder. Then group the functions that operate on the board into units (classes) that make sense together.
From an organizational stand-point, a class is in the end just a bunch of functions with a few arguments already bound. So if you look at your functions, considering which parts of "this" they access and which additional arguments they take, is a good starting point for getting ideas of how to make additional classes out of them.
Classes don’t have to be long-lived and don’t have to own any data either. It can be perfectly fine to do something like
>var move = new PlayerMove(board, player)
>move.apply(moveCommand)
>var explosions = move.checkTriggers()
>renderer.add(explosions)
>delete move
Where the object never leaves the stack and is just used as a temporary helper. (Giving some shit pseudocode here, in serious languages you don’t use "new" for stack-allocated objects...)

>>531738082
Alas, GDScript lol. It's good to hear about how other people deal with this sort of stuff, though.

>>531737737
GMI

>>531737508
Yeah, it's fine. The math class in every language is typically well over 10k lines.

>>531738317
You can use #region and #endregion tags to organize if you need.

>>531737737
So... did you work on your game or not?

>>531738259
Makes sense. Thanks anon.

>>531738154
I think what you're doing is probably fine. It really depends on scope and what works best for you. I personally would have an "EnemyManager" class that just tracks all enemies and handles logic related to them, but it's all just preference in many cases. Keeping things tidy is always preferred but don't sweat about it too much unless you're getting onto optimisation etc.

>>531738154
Those don't even need to be in a class. They can be functions of a utility module. Don't overcomplicate it like most retards do.

>>531737737
>hold on, I brought my laptop, wanna see it? you play as the... oops sorry, it won't compile, haha, fucking godot... haha yeah dont worry, 4.5 will fix it...

>>531737270
yup, I'm here. the engine bloat doesn't matter in my opinion, the double edged sword with not using an engine is you're not locked to its structure so you start to think differently, you're not thinking within the engine your brain is free
but also, it becomes harder to think of one solution because there's so many things you can do.
sometimes having the engine force a solution on you is nice.

>>531738585
Only until 1am. It turns out I really was tired but I didn't want to risk giving her the ick by admitting any kind of weakness including dependence on regular sleep.

>>531737737
nice
>>531738653
kek
>>531738019
well all my posts are anonymous

>>531738019
>gamedev nardwuar

>>531738667
I do still "steal" certain conventions that I'm used to, but I know what you mean.

What language are you using with raylib?

>>531737737
>he wasted dev time on a date
ngmi

>>531738238
you posted anime

>>531700587
Seems like a crazy claim when even professionals with almost endless sources of funding are making more flops than ever.
Redfall, Suicide Squad, and Concord are the biggest flops over the past few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo84LFzx5nI

watch this

>>531738568
>>531738601
>>531738609
Thanks everyone. I think I have my answer.

>>531739119
Modern professionals are more incompetent than indies

>>531739001
C... although not because I love it or anything, it's just the one I'm most familliar with and it works the best with raylib obviously since it's a C library.

>>531739119
some people have an overabundance of confidence. let them have it, they'll need it.

i just don't have the creativity, the passion, the vision, the motivation, nothing
nothing you need to make a game, i have

>>531737816
>Are we not able to meme about the current president anymore
Miss, this is an amateur game development general.
>>>/pol/

>>531738806
Anon you should lead a well balanced life with good exercise, diet, sleep and intimacy in order to ensure optimal output. The path you're on will lead to burnout.

>>531739545
Just vibe code everything

>>531738667
Limitation breeds creativity.

>>531739724
>intimacy
She offered a handshake at the end of the date, so no intimacy I guess.

I am making my game in TypeScript.

>>531738806
Turns out you gave her the ick by giving her the mental image of you sitting at your computer until 3 am.

>>531739346
I considered doing the same, but I think it just depends on how much time you want to spend on things/learn. If I wasn't a wagie I would probably use C, but instead opted for C# wrapper since that's what I was already used to and just helps speed things up while still keeping away from Unity and Godot. C++ works quite well with it too for obvious reasons. Other languages like Rust felt very sticky-taped on, even for a wrapper.

How long have you been working with it?

>>531739545
Then gamedev simply isn't for you. It's time to look for something else that's more your speed.

Program doesn't work? No problem we will use this bad boy, big boys use this so will we

>>531739983
You will make more from YouTube ad revenue with your "Game: 100% TypeScript" video with a thumbnail of you in the corner pointing up towards your game with the TS logo. Dev normies love that shit.

>>531740382
That's probably true. I will also say that I vibe coded it with Grok (I didn't, but Elon will repost it)

>>531740068
I've been doing raylib itself for a while now, I'm quite familliar with the 2D mode atleast but I also know the 3D mode. As for C, I've been using it for as long as I've started programming, one of my very first languages.
Well, there's no reason not to use a wrapper I think, so long as it can build to the platforms you want. That was my only concern pretty much. I could have used C++ but honestly I don't care for any of its features so there was no point.

>>531736927
Yes but it's more simplistic/real time.

>>531739120
this video kinda sold me on ECS, I feel like OOP just gets finnicky at some point, especially at the point of trying to connect your entities together.
The thing he says with how ECS does encapsulation at the systems level just feels like it makes more sense

>>531740947
>I don't care for any of its features
not even generics? not even basic data structures?
i mean, you could do those manually in C, but whats the point when it's a solved problem

>>531739119
That's what happen when you try to make games for investors rather than for players

What's stopping you from making that game you always wanted you make?

you know, the one

>>531741760
The lack of tens of millions of dollars to pay for a studio full of world-class developers.

>>531741760
technology isn't there yet. it has mechanics that can't be faked with smoke and mirrors.

>>531741760
I've just switched back to using a wired mouse because it's too expensive to be changing the battery every month.

>>531730143
I read in one review he gave them keys for free. Pretty good stunt, but it's backfiring as people hate AI, free game or not

>>531741618
Not really, I atleast heard that alot of C++ features come with a thousands asterisks so it isn't really worth it in the end. If I would use a different language it wouldn't be C++, even a meme lang like Odin is a better choice.

>>531741760
Nothing. I'm making it.

>>531741307
I'm doing ECS for the first time in the current engine I am building. It has been really eye opening.

>>531741760
Ever changing paradigms
my wife a cute

>>531741760
having a job

>>531741760
For the big games I wanna make I'd need a whole studio. Gimme 10-20 skilled individuals and we'll churn out games that sell millions of copies.

I want to be like Peter, I want to create next Black & White

>>531741760
Oh, you mean, the open-world civilization-sim roguelike deckbuilder ARPG?

I'm building it right now.

>>531735972
How does 29k reviews sound?

>>531726916
>>531727330
>>531728304
Thanks, this is very helpful. Going to try to make it more consistently simple.

>>531739120
He's been making a game for like 10 years and it's not done. jon blow is doing the same. This is just grifter shit.

Highly dynamic strongly typed scripting languages are the way. There is so much power in just having functions that take an object and if it has the required properties, it works. For example, a function that adds position {x,y} to another position {x,y}. With classes or even javascript as it's commonly practiced you need to have a "Point" and you add two points. But instead literally just check if x and y are on the objects and add them. You can add points to points, but you can also move transforms by a 2d point, or a transform by an enemy's position ... you can just define objects as properties instead of as being composed of "classes"

>>531729226
Start today. Vibe code a starting point even. Just work a few hours everyday. You'll be surprised with yourself in a couple of months.

minecraft is proof that success ruins a game. minecrafts gamedesign is comically bad.
if your core gimmick hardcarries every bad design decision, you create a monstrosity.
literally the voxels carry every single stupid gamedesign decision they make.

>>531743094
Did this game really release in 2023? Maybe the dream is still alive. A game like the coffin comes off to me as ~100 reviews (Mostly Positive) though. I guess we can never really accurately predict games.

my game fucking flopped actually...

Stop making Weird games

or else

>>531741760
i have tried to make a few of those that i thought were that game (sometimes even the same one multiple times) and it just doesnt work out

holy shit how the fuck are there so many indie games? all i see are new ones every single day
is every white and asian guy under the age of 30 making one, and maybe like half the beaners and a quarter of the browns?

>>531743615
>Highly dynamic strongly typed scripting languages are the way.
This, but tbf, with great power comes great responsibility, and most people are too retarded to handle that kind of power.

>>531744265
weird is unique and unique is what sells

my steam dev name would be AGDG slop dev

>>531739120
kek
very entertaining talk

>>531743615
>With classes or even javascript as it's commonly practiced you need to have a "Point" and you add two points.
Yeah but TypeScript gives you pretty much all you need to do what you describe. No?
>You can add points to points, but you can also move transforms by a 2d point, or a transform by an enemy's position
But the problem is that eventually people get really confused about mixing up all the different {x,y} types and that’s why they add declarator types and interfaces. It looks shit and is annoying to work with, but at least the compiler then starts to catch all the errors.

>>531744203
Link?

>>531744387
there's like 4 billion chinks and indians
even 0.01% of them working on games would lead to huge waves of slop

>>531741760
>2025
>having "the one"

i'll make a roguelike without the ascii autism and with flaticon autism

where do you get you cracked software from? TPB is shit nowadays, barely anything there

>>531744265
https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2025/06/21/yoko-taro-says-fewer-weird-people-in-gaming/
>Yoko Taro—known for his eccentric style and unconventional titles—remarked, “I’ve been in the game industry for 30 years, but I feel there’s less ‘weird people’ now”. He admitted uncertainty whether this trend is isolated to gaming or mirrors broader societal changes.

Start making weird games.

>>531745757
i'm making a roguelike with emojis

>>531745812
you need cracked software?

>>531745963
yeah, something like Houdini, or Gaea

>>531745887
give me the same development and marketing budget of square enix that you had and you'll get your weird game hacko-taro

>>531746085
leetx is something you could use. 1337x.

>>531746085
gaea is cheap as fuck isn't it? perpetual license too. houdini i understand but do you actually need it for your game?

I wonder why some franchises don't venture into some genres that would be an easy fit.
Like a Warhammer (40k or fantasy) RPG.
Or a D&D city building or grand strategy.
Or a Star Wars/Star Trek/Homeworld space sim Elitelike.

>>531745887
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3101040

>>531745812
I wouldn't dare run cracked software on my dev machine. Although I've been pirating since the early '00s and never had an issue, I'm just too paranoid now.

Why do people believe in Platformers? What drives them to pour years into the worst performing genre?

>>531746265
all I have is $30

I'm making my UI with React.

>>531746536
>dream game
>zero market research
>anyone who says otherwise is a crab

>>531746536
>35k wishlists

>>531746246
sweet thanks found what I was looking for

>>531746546
go mow 3 lawns

>>531746536
There's an oversaturation of everything. Millions of people without jobs are now working on card games, VS clones, FPS games, farming sims etc. because they saw past games make it, not realizing they are in an entirely new world now.

>>531745887
>Start making weird games.
Ok, I'll do it.

>>531746680
>>zero market research
market research your dream game?

>>531746536
>>531746698
He could have had it all…

>>531746961
soul

>>531747058
Man gets wishlists probably fraudulently (via streamers/press, not naturally), all goes to his head, prices game wrong! Many such cases!

>>531745887
>less weird people
in other words normies invaded the industry
it's also why so many games suck nowadays

1) build a prototyping framework (or you'll have to write shit from scratch every single time)
2) then build prototypes
3) then build a game

>>531734467
>[ X] 1: Just make a game for the sake of making a game.
>[ ] 5: Make money.
Will not spite on that one but not the priority.

>>531747153
That's not what the word fraudulent means. Many gamers use their wishlists as a "watch for -90% sales list".

>>531745887
I don't like weird games.
ArmA over Cruelty Squad.
Underrail over Undertale.
Euro Truck Simulator over literally everything else.

>>531746313
Because the people making decisions for the IPs are retarded. You can see this in stuff like GW making Warhammer kids books.

keep posting games like this please >>531746961
Tell me more anon

Added a non-performant fish giblet system to shrimp game

>>531747461
>watch for -90% sales list
I thought this is what it is for?

>>531746961
that's a weird aim trainer

>>531720343
damn schizo I played 8 hours of that sloppa today and didn't even know it had that filter since it's off by default

>>531729476
Que caralho...

>>531741760
MMOs are impossible for indie and a zombie genre regardless.

>>531747863
how did you do your gibs

>>531749036
Tell me about your dream MMO.

I think it's possible for indie.

I'm a solo indie dev, but I have actual industry experience

>>531749314
nepobaby

>>531749478
nah, i just attended GDC once and put resumes out.. pretty easy desu

>>531749564
If you can afford indoor plumbing, you are a nepobaby by the streetshitters' standards.

The worst part of jobbydev is you have to consider the 70 IQ players that will do something without understanding then complain when they don't understand.
>just uh i dont uhhh have a game, but this is what I would do: UHHH MAKE THEM READ!! THATS MY PLAN!!
Righto, thanks nodev.

is ikigai the final fad before people realize the system is broken? they coped with all sorts of strategies to make it in this broken system, everything failed. nobody cares about nofap, veganism, meditation or any of that shit anymore. dopamine fasting was the last fad before ikigai.
i think after they realize this also wont work, they'll completely give up on self-improvement.

>>531746536
>solo-dev
This needs to STOP

hehe funny

>>531749921
>ikigai
ick guy? yeah, that's me

I know it's nothing but I'm trying to imagine the graphics. How the fuck do I'm gonna do this. What kind of level of detail do I aim for? Battlefield 1 type environments would be awesome

>>531749921
icky gay? yeah thats him

>>531750061
>Battlefield 1 type environments
>as a solo dev
anon you're insanely delusional

>>531750201
its a 10 years old game, surely I could do these graphics today

>>531749145
Heavy focus on exploration like GW2; each zone is associated with a movement gimmick or mount.
Slow-paced psuedo-turn based combat, you can save up your turns like in Bravely Default and spend them on strong moves or combos. I'm cooking this system to create a singleplayer JRPG
Progression-focused, not endgame-focused.
A confessionary booth in a church which functions as a private, unmoderated, anonymous chat with a random other player.

I have a million other ideas for that dream game but those are the most interesting ones.

>>531750061
Make BattleBit/Ravenfield looking shit before even thinking of graphics.

i dont know what to make

>>531750420
https://www.mobygames.com/game/81219/battlefield-1/credits/windows/

>>531741760
Lack of technology that connects to your brain and creates the direct visualization of images in your head. We still need mechanical skills to create art. Or hire artists if you have budget.

>>531750420
it's not about if you can it's about how much time it takes to do so

>>531750463
>A confessionary booth in a church which functions as a private, unmoderated, anonymous chat with a random other player.
interesting, this could be an entire game itself

>>531741307
Yeah, ECS seems increasingly attractive the larger and the more persistent your simulation is.

>>531750573
Make me a sandwich.

>>531746961
I love this and hope you stick around to post more.
Alternatively, where can I follow?

>>531750842
i meant for a game

>>531750495
>>531750626
Ferocious guy did it all alone with quixel assets

I have lost my way

>>531751314
same, it's over

>>531749145
Meridian 59 x Daggerfall. Maybe not the scope of Daggerfall because it would need an insane amount of players to populate the world. First person adventure and grinding fantasy world simulator.

kyubu kyubu towers

>>531751526
Mine's Eq1 x Daggerfall. Let's team up.

>>531751709
You're a man of taste but I don't expect to actually be able to make an mmo.

Crazy. This game is basically feature complete. Vibe coding is pretty crazzzzzy dudes.

>>531751953
Why not? What are your skills?

https://x.com/_Tricky_Madness
https://youtu.be/6ddaA5SpKhQ

somone did a SSX clone, and as always, it's soulless

>>531752604
that's an agdg game

>>531752604
You have to go back >>>/v/

>>531751587
lmao
noooo they're supposed to be wholesome and cute!!

>>531752685
people are shitting on my beloved series by creating these soulless slops

>>531752330
It's crazy for about three days worth of development, then you have a giant pile of garbage code to sift through.

Gabe Newell personally owes me a median playtime update.

>>531752330
this is gonna blow up on CoolMathGames.com

>>531752604
define soul

my wishlist to follow ratio is 6:1

>>531753138
If I like it, it's soul.
If you like it, it's not soul.
Simple as.

>>531752857
>my
Fuck off back to >>>/v/ and kill yourself.

SCREAMMMMMMMM

be quiet my ears wtf

>>531752969
This is about 1.5 days of "development", and I'm at 700 lines of code total. Like I said, things are mostly done, I could add more features but this is really all I want.

>>531753121
It's an already existing board game so it's not like I could publish it anyways. Just testing out what AI is capable of.

>>531752604
needs some limitations
lower poly count and/or texture res
idk
I think it's the mix of photobash textures and cartoony model, it should all agree together but instead looks off
it's almost exactly what ssx looked like, photobashed textures and cartoony characters, but it was all made to feel in unison when it was in motion, because it was all crunched down and had scanlines
tl;dr add some post processing fx, optional "bitcrunching" for that retro look.

>>531750061
>Graphics fag who buys assets wants to make a game that looks triple A
Pottery

>>531753484
Tell me about it.
I'm trying to juggle so many different projects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ji4fqelt0

it's up

>>531753495
>It's an already existing board game so it's not like I could publish it anyways. Just testing out what AI is capable of.
Did you prompt it like "we’re gonna make this existing game X" or did you describe the ruleset in your own words?

>>531753791
He's never managed to get funding from a publisher tho...

>>531753791
Who’s that thot

>>531731845
It would be crazy if you had 0 idea how coding works. If you already know how to code and just get AI to help you its not that crazy.

>>531753893
I had to describe the rules. I basically mostly did what I would normally do, just prompting the AI to do it. Make a grid -> line it up well -> Now do movement -> Now the dice roll etc. etc.
I specifically tried to not write any code at all, but some things that AI just could not figure out, so I had to tweak it's code to work.

>>531753656
might drop this project.
Reason? No graphics.

>>531750791
Isn't that just Omegle?
What would make it in to more of a game?

>>531753971
The new queen of /agdg/

In my game you have to shoot and kill lots and lots of people. They're not unarmed, they do harm you, but they're still normal people, not brainwashed or zombies, some of them are not even criminals. They're just police officers or guards doing their jobs. Is that permissible by /agdg/ standards?

Imagine not making a game with AI code, AI art and AI music and AI writing and then selling it for 50 usd.

>>531737270
Yes I love raylib, it's really fun to use for prototyping tiny things. I don't think I'd ever make a 3D game with it though because it's just so basic.
>>531740231
I haven't used any of the recent World Creator tools, and it's changed a lot since I was using it, but I had a good time with it and made a lot of nice "stock" looking terrains with it.

>>531750420
>surely a ten years old game that a had 40000 indians working on it 24/7 for two centuries is attenable as a solo dev because it's old

>>531754930
/agdg/ cunts think this is fine yet dogpile on me for using only ai voice acting in my game. fucking cunts.

i give up, i cant make any game

>>531751314
It's time anon.

>>531755162
If your game has a small and dedicated audience, you will be in trouble. If your game has a big audience nobody who matters will care. There are a lot of slop AI games like Supermarket Simulator that did really well.

I want to make a game my son will enjoy

>>531741760
To make my dream game I need a couple cute girlfriends that will work on the game with me doing certain specific jobs. It's simply not possible for me to make the video game I want without them.

>>531755525
I have no audience because marketing is impossible and I decided to not bother with it because of that

>>531754930
Agdg did, bing "into the necrovale"

>>531755235
sorry but giving up isn't possible. you'll just keep coming back and suffer. it's better you think deeply and try to plan better and figure out real strategies to make a realistically scoped game.
trust me i tried to quit, i can't.

>>531753635
post fx to make things look "retro" always look like shit

>>531753791
It's that sith chick from Star wars! Look out marnipoo!

>>531752604
>tfw been doing similar project back in 2020

https://streamable.com/mr63sm

here's my shit, it's horrible but I'm glad someone picked up the idea of doing SSX like game

>>531750061
Everyone working with PBR shit falls down this hole, I've been stuck on a building for a week because the amount of VRAM needed for PBR is too high and I can't make it look right with the high bar that PBR sets since the old way of bashing tile sheets just looks jarring with high quality textures.

>>531755952
i know that but i just don't have the mental power to do that, im too mentally ill

>>531752403
I'm a mediocre programmer with shitty art skills and a project hopping problem.

I'm coming up with a simple "Event" system that gives the player choices that pop up in the middle of gameplay.

>>531756209
Also now realizing that even before the game is running over 25% of my VRAM is gone from just the VR environment.

>>531755910
Necrovaledev didn't deserve this sort of defamation.

>>531756431
Wow, perfect for those youtube mobile game midrolls

>>531756309
that's wrong. humans have a mental hardcap. they cheat by grouping up and getting massive funding.
your problem is that you don't set the difficulty slider to your own resources/skills.
trust me, it's worth it to think deeply. make mindmaps, write stuff down in notepad, think deeply, be honest what you can and can't do, be honest what you are willing to learn and what not.
there'll be a game matching your circumstances, it wont be your dream game, but making your dream game is self-torture anyways.
just like in video games, it's most fun when a project is not too easy and not too hard.
what you are currently doing is like playing counter-strike against the world champions and losing 0-16 every match. that is self-torture. go play in your rank and have some fun with equal enemies.

>>531750061
>>531756209
go ps2
you can do late gen ps2 if it makes you feel better but whenever you start working on something cross reference with an actual ps2 game to make sure it isn't looking too good for the gen

>>531749748
>nodev imagining potential problems with having a game
the worst part of jobbydev is actually no one gives a shit about your game and you can't get people to play it even for free.

apparently some psycho freaks will actually dig out your older shitty projects to play them wtf
nobody told me this would happen
wtf why would people do this? if i hid it i fucking hid it for a reason you dumb tards

does anybody have a chance function where the higher the number, the higher the chance? I can only think of a function where the higher the number the lower the chance..

>>531756639
well shit didn't he say he used ai pixel art? always crowned on the game for it, still gave it a try, still so disappointed. It has the depth of a 2005 mobile game

>>531757110
Do you mean a roll-under system?

>>531756743
that sounds good and all but my mind just builds up with chaotic thoughts of gamedev and then i pressure release with a self defeating 4chan post and go back to browsing the internet

>>531726916
>>531725921
>>531727330
Moving in the right direction?

>>531757110
You start with a bag of 99 fails and 1 success. Making number higher = adding more success cases to the bag. You can never reach 100% success rate, as the 99 failures will always remain. But chance will go higher and higher.
A bunch of systems in RPGs are often implemented with this approach.

>>531757217
idk, I meant what I asked for.

>>531757110
p instead of 1-p

why haven't you taken the redistributechad pill yet? everyone is starting their selling random freeware games side hustle in 2025.

>>531757442
Tree scale is better. I preferred the old ground texture.

Those cloud shadows bother me. If you're going for big pixels I think the shadows need to be big pixels as well.

...Help me, it's 10 and I'm not tired at all.
My sleep schedule is about to get wrecked again. last coffee was 1pm.

>>531756430
no one will see your code
shitty art is soul
and there's no reason to project hop when you're building your dream game

>>531753791
>woman starts speaking
>*laughs* hehe
>starts looking at phone
so... she wasn't supposed to answer right?

>>531757829
my last coffee was 3 months ago and I don't feel any sleepier than I did when I was coffeemaxxing.

>>531757442
The round trees seem kinda weird with the tall trees behind. The grass is an improvement. Actually Sakurai has a vid about this... Forgot which one but should be easy to find

>>531757393
tell us your chaotic thoughts

>>531756794
Then I'd actually have to try and come up with a real unique game idea that stands out which in this market is basically a nightmare. The whole thing with VR is that the market is so underserved that you'll get sales and attention just from existing.

Just scroll through plebbit and see the thousands and thousands of games in progress that no one gives a fuck about because they look like everything that came before.

>>531757456
>>531757642
thanks... it's a bit of a dumb question that you shouldn't have answered

>>531757442
Give it more foreground, and tilt shift that shit

>>531756431
>He never learned sharing is caring

>>531758351
Should ask Grok next time

How do I make a game that will be in the tranny pipeline? Seems like an easy way to make money

>>531754930
As long as they hired a real voice actor I don't see an issue with this going at high as 60USD. If they comply with all voice actors guild regulations I would even go as far to suggest a season pass.

>>531756976
i wish i had fans

>>531758536
>They
The game was made by a grifter youtuber that scammed it's fanbase with similar showelware.

Are there any books or something to read on how to design a good turn-based card game something?

I've only played Hearthstone & Inscryption
Wanna jump the hype with all this buckshot roulette crap

Would like to design something I can basically playtest first before actually developing it digitally

>>531758031
if she wanted to be taken seriously, she wouldn't have appropriated Laquisha's nails

>>531758536
This.
PAY YOUR FUCKING VOICE ACTORS WHAT THEY FUCKING DESERVE, CHUDS!!!

>>531758314
You think you'll sell with generic fps number 3094234 because it's VR?

>>531756209
Just bake in some ambient occlusion man what is the holdup
We don't want realism we want fun and reactivity
Put all that effort into bullet holes and material appropriate homebrew footsteps sounds
We out here focusing on the entirely wrong, superficial things here fr fr

>>531758198
theyre all stupid and abandoned projects

>>531758810
The mtg guy , mark rosewater, had or still has a blog where he goes into detail on the cards/mechanic designs

>>531758810
Learn MTG.

>>531758314
I'd argue looking like a ps2 game makes your game stand out more than generic PBR asset flip.
And VR in 2025 is probably a bad idea too but whatever.

>>531758810
Now this is some quality bait, subtle and smoky

>>531759017
+1 to this. His articles apply to non-card games too.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic

>>531758763
I support the free market. If an enterprising individual broke into someone's home, killed the occupant, and then demanded cash from their friends and family using a falsified recording as proof of life , there is quite literally nothing wrong with finding a niche in the market as long as they hired a REAL voice actor to play the deceased.
Maybe you're not understanding, but the FREE market allows you make choices and voice actors are *struggling* right now.
Hire *clap* Real *clap* Voice *clap* Actors.
It's not hard to be a decent human being.

>>531758314
This reply implies what you want to do instead is make a game that will obviously not look like AAA, but is obviously trying to be, and that also isn't fun to play?

>2025
>unity still doesn't have 2D navmesh out of the box

i'll never understand what those companies are working on all day

>>531759065
Seconding this. PS2 is the new PS1. We are returning to the Golden age and lots of indies still want to make PBR slop lol

>>531756209
>the old way of bashing tile sheets
this is what you should be doing and going for a graphical fidelity level that fits it

there's some fancy shader stuff you can do to spice up those tiled textures if you're feeling spicy

>>531758940
Have you seen the quality of VR games? Into the radius specifically.

>>531757110
Here’s pseudo code
>function accepts an odds value (0-100)
>random_value = random(0,1)
>If random_value*100 < odds return true
So running with odds 100 will always win, odds 75 wins 75% of the time, and so on

>script that wasn't crashing before starts crashing
>didnt even update it, or anything related to it
>dont know if some shit is happening or if something else i dont know about broke
This hobby SUCKS!

>>531759004
okay stop abandoning projects, make an engine or something that can handle all of your crazy ideas, and keep building

>>531759593
>Into the radius
Looks like a game much higher quality than anything you can make in a couple years.

>>531759648
Sorry do <= not < otherwise 100 only has a 99% chance to win

>>531759258
Yes, yes and yes. People who play stalker, tarkov etc aren't looking for fun.

>>531759458
>PS2 is the new PS1.
so you all retards will be doing exactly what that guy is doing, except without the self-awareness? because not a single indie game that claimed to have ps1 visuals actually looked like a ps1 game (or good for that matter). im not even talking about hardware accuracy, every one of you retards can't even understand the basics of colour theory, lighting and rendering pipelines. i swear you fucking retarded fucks think "game is a barely comprehensible sludge of pixels = ps1 graphics"

my item, inventory and equipment system is coming along quite well

good progress today

It's all about compound interest.
No, not in investing. That sounds like a boomer scam. You work and constantly invest for 30+ years to maybe crack a million? Bullshit.
I'm talking about compound interest in game design.
At every step of the way you should have interest and it should grow or else you fucked up and need to repeat that step.
>at the idea stage, if you get no reception to an idea from your sore audience or something similar isn't already loudly demanded, it's shit and you need to think of something better.
>at the prototype stage, if it doesn't get plays and buzz, rework it
>at every other stage, do the same thing - new mechanics added, art, vertical slice, demo, etc.
>e.g. if your character designs aren't getting fan art, rework them
always be compounding interest or your game will flop

>>531758810
>>531759017
>>531759228
It’s worth noting that MtG design quality has somewhat deteriorated recently. Rosewater had very, very good insight >10 years ago in regards to "preserving design space" and this kinda thing.
But it seems that he bowed to the suits eventually and now they’re printing card designs that are so clunky, probably no one would buy them if they weren’t MtG.
If you are not into MtG yet, you can (after learning the rules?) start with reading the "State of Design" series of articles that Rosewater has put out for a long time now, reflecting on the successes and failures of MtG design after every year.

>>531759787
check diffs in your commit history to be sure

you are using git and committing regularly, right?

>>531757393
>but my mind just builds up with chaotic thoughts of gamedev
I used to have this but it got a lot better once I started writing down that chaos. Now every time I get a new idea that sticks around for a couple hours I write it down. That usually lets my mind shut the fuck up about it. If it gets back into it I'll go and write some more. I've been building this library of ideas and it has allowed me to pick a few that seem most reasonable to work on. I'm still not great about sticking to a project but at least now I'm trying to hop between a couple instead of always starting a new one.

>>531759017
>>531759049
MTG is neither interesting nor fun
Ppl like simple games like Inscryption balotro buckshot roulette, not nerdy gay trash

>>531759916
Relax nigga. As for me, i can do it, no problemo.

>>531759821
At first glance it does, actually play it and see how shallow it is. The enemies are untextured black models, the ground is generic grey, no effort was made to make anything fit, they went for the kit bashed look of random shit with completely different levels of texels put together. There is no story, the whole game is get a fetch quest from a computer and then go back to the computer to turn it in.

They were the first to do it though, just like superhot so now everyone who comes after has to make something resembling a real game.

>>531760430
mtg makes over a billion every year lmao

>>531759648
This kinda doesn't work as intended? I tried it and even at 2% it gets absurdly lucky streaks of (true)s

>>531759441
Is navmesh even necessary these days? I’d rather build a sight based navigation system with collisions.

>>531760476
maybe you can, some people do understand how old graphics work and make very good look AND authentic old games (those tend to be modders usually) but my FUCKING god do 99% of these retards not see what they're doing? these fucking morons will use colour filters to imitate colour compression (yes I've seen that suggested in a tutorial), add fucking PBR to their 128x or 256x textures, and add pixelisation shaders to emulate lower resolutions which don't look authentic OR good, they just look like shit. even peripeteia, the game /agdg/ loves to suck off, is guilty of this shit, though it has a lot of failures in visuals outside of "era authenticity" but that's a whole different story.

>>531760725
So? Nobody gives a fuck. Just because something makes lots of money doesnt mean its good thing. Ur soulless fucking trash that cant think independently. Abandon these threads cause I can guarantee u will never make it.

>>531760915
>Nobody gives a fuck
No they just give Hasbro money for no reason at all lmao

>>531760754
That’s randomness for you.
If you want something pseudo random that’s a little harder.
Outside your function make a list of previous rolls. Inside the random function add the result to the list each run. Write another function to loop the list and calculate the current win ratio. Call that function during the random roll step. If the player is winning too much, just have them lose instead.

>>531759838
fuck... you're kinda right. i got into stalker for the atmosphere I guess

>>531760716
Maybe the game isn't that great but from what I've seen you post here so far it's pretty clear you have no fucking idea how much work goes into finishing a game.

>>531756794
I toyed with PS2 graphics idea, but I figured out it would be an uphill battle. You have way more resources online for making AA type graphics.

also that's not my reply
>>531758314

>>531760901
You are indeed correct, lots of shit out there. And Peri too has very questionable choices in it's texture work. I grew up with the limitations making quake maps and skins.

>>531760901
What you're failing to understand is that when people say psx they don't actually mean psx. Psx graphics look like shit, your target market is people who have never played psx games because they were born a decade after it came out. What people want is a retro lowpoly look with modern shaders.

>>531761079
Good idea. thanks.

>>531760901
Rare to see such a correct take here.

>>531758314
You really don’t need a creative idea just a good execution. Apple never came up with anything, everything they made was stolen from Xerox or someone else. They just implemented it better. That’s the secret to success. Plenty of people do a crossword puzzle every day of their life with no desire for another experience or a new creative idea. They just want to do things they have already done with nice packaging and user experience.

Japanese artists are posting alot of ani 2d art on twitter, but no one is making fan art for me.

>>531759441
they have giant teams of people just working on their ad network shit, i don't think the actual Unity engine has really improved in like 10 years

>>531761359
>And Peri too has very questionable choices in it's texture work. I
it's not just texture work alone, it has problems with model design (can't speak for their actual modelling quality since i haven't seen the models outside of the game), severe issues with level scale and navigation, and just in general a very poor sense of art direction.

>>531761406
>Psx graphics look like shit,
they don't, and i say this as a zoomer born in 2003.
>retro lowpoly look with modern shaders
now THIS looks like shit every time without question to anyone who has any taste in visual design. it is possible to use modern rendering techniques in conjunction with older ones, but you need to be an INCREDIBLY good artist to do it correctly and it would also have to be subtly applied. 99% of people who go for the "retro lowpoly" aesthetic are neither good artists nor can they use the modern rendering techniques effectively.

There's a new stalker-like on steam, I forgot the name but the only twist I saw was that it's furries kek

>>531760901
Playing Peripeteia I never got the impression it was trying to look like a ps1 game. It has shadows, bloom, AA, fairly high resolution models, textures that are way beyond the time, specular highlights, etc. It looks like it's trying to look unique more than emulate a specific style.

But in general I agree with you. There are a handful of games that I feel really capture the psx aesthetic. And one of them is Bloodborne PSX

>>531761946
>now THIS looks like shit every time without question to anyone who has any taste in visual design. it is possible to use modern rendering techniques in conjunction with older ones, but you need to be an INCREDIBLY good artist to do it correctly and it would also have to be subtly applied. 99% of people who go for the "retro lowpoly" aesthetic are neither good artists nor can they use the modern rendering techniques effectively.

this 100%, also I think with modern graphics you can get away with a lot, but doing retro needs real attention to detail because everything is so scarce

>>531762106
it's literally year 2000 PC graphics, not PSX 90s graphics

>>531761240
Oh I realize, if I continue at my current output I can manage one large asset a week. It will take like 4+ years to do what I want to do. I just have nothing else to do with my time other than work.

My major hangup has been getting sucked into realism, like hand placing fucking bolts on this bridge. If I can learn to texture bash and get over trying to make things look 'right' then I'll become much faster.

Still I might give a low poly game a try, just don't have any ideas on what to make other than low poly stalker which has already been done.

I have he next week of content that needs to be made in a list to be made

will it be the next big friendslop or friendflop ?
he started to posting more bait recently but no actual gameplay

>>531762403
>it's literally year 2000 PC graphics
it's not, are you retarded? neither unreal 1, quake 3, half life 1 or deus ex 1 had fucking bloom, ambient occlusion or normal mapping in them. if anything, peripeteia looks like a shitty, ugly 2004-2005 game with textures set to low

>>531762616
I was judging from the screenshot, never played that shit. But if it has bloom ambient occlusion and bump maps then fuck it in the ass. it's not retro

>>531762430
This looks better than the famous gamer bridge. So your effort is not wasted. But it might not be necessary for this product.
Customers are definitely expecting and tolerant to slightly worse fidelity especially with textures. It seems like texel density is the most important thing for making diverse assets look good together anyway.
I think if you want to keep making stuff this quality you need a partner on the other side helping with the rest. Not a bad idea considering how good your assets look.

Peri looks like deus ex 2

>>531762498
funny coop games are the only types of games i cannot analyze or predict. maybe because it depends on hype.

>>531762237
I don't think you can get away with stuff with modern graphics. If your assets aren't high quality shit will look weird. Monomyth is a great example. All the characters in it look stupid as hell. There's also the problem of basically having to fill levels up with clutter because realistic graphics don't look right if places are as empty as they used to be in older games.

There's this early 2000s era of graphics where you can slap together low poly meshes with simple tiled textures and add some AO and baked lighting and maybe a couple props here and there and it looks fine. With that level of fidelity you can get away with a lot. Of course making characters that fit that fidelity isn't exactly easy but it's more doable than good looking PBR stuff for a solo dev.

i don't know where to go from here

>>531761946
>now THIS looks like shit every time without question to anyone who has any taste in visual design

So not the people who are going to be playing your game. I grew up on psx, it looked like blurry pixelated shit. Peri actually has very consistent art direction for what it's trying to be, a technological dystopia in some mega city, it's actually an example of what made old games good, it looks like nonsense and therefore leaves your imagination to fill in what's missing.

>>531762403
Nah. It's years beyond Deus Ex and Half Life.
If I had to compare it to anything I would say it looks most like Eye Divine Cybermancy but with pixelated textures.

>>531762940
you wish, it looks like "I want to be Deus Ex 1 but I fucked it up"

here's the screenshot of what Peri would love to be

>>531763070
>Peri actually has very consistent art direction
consistent art direction where the artists can't decide between making accurately proportioned models with photo textures and heavily stylized assets with hand drawn textures. yeah right.

just took 10ml of methylene bocchi and finished my eight cup of coffee, my chest feels kinda funny but now i fell unstoppable.
Gonna make lots of progress today sisters!

>>531763274
>wishes it looked like the most bland looking game ever

[JC Denton Voice]
Sure.

>>531763274
This is a good shot because it shows how bad old games looked and how they had to fight the badness to make it look good
It’s too tempting to just put a high resolution texture onto a floor these days
If you really want a retro aesthetic all your assets should look terrible by themselves and only resemble a decent whole in a finished scene with UI

I have to cleanse my soul and my mind and my eyes from what yall posted here

post some REAL soul

>old games look ba-

all you need is artists who know what the fuck they're doing

>>531763560
>If you really want a retro aesthetic all your assets should look terrible by themselves and only resemble a decent whole in a finished scene with UI
that's a surefire way to make an ugly turd like periepteia. if you want to make an authentic old-looking, but more importantly good looking game, you need to be able to see the big picture of your visuals and how every asset fits into that vision. as well as at least understanding the basics of 3d art like topology and texel density

>>531763883
shine some truth brother, because I'm thinking about creating something soulful and retro looking, 2000/2001 era graphics

is 1 year anniversary of your first game releasing a good time to lock in and committing to a new project

>>531764460
a new project is always a new learning opportunity, so yes

>>531763778
wait.. soul is just low res textures without a nearest filter?

>>531764594
combined with low poly (mountains/terrain in this case) it is soul

>>531764118
if you have very poor artistic skill i suggest going with realism, not exactly realistic visuals like in re4 >>531763789 but at least something like max Payne 1 or the 3d gta games. its easier to do real life because real life has very clear cut and easy to understand rules on how things should look, and even if something looks wrong, you'll be able to eye it to look at least somewhat presentable.
also open up old games and just look at how they were made. try to mod older games like half life 1/2, quake, unreal etc. you'll naturally learn how this old stuff worked by yourself while working with such software and eventually you'll be able to eye it in something more modern like unity and unreal.

What subd modelling does to a mofo

>>531764805
I modded quake 2 back in the day, but I forgot how it all looked, I remember bsp brushes, low res textures and thats it

it's insane how nobody makes prototypes.
it's like everybody here is drawing without sketching.

>>531765181
I about to make one my man

>>531763386
The end effect on the player is what matters, which is to convince you that you're in a massive dystopian environment. It's when things start making sense that people begin picking it apart for all the things that are wrong, like this picture: >>531763274

The environment has higher resolution than the gun, it looks tiny and claustrophobic and not like the dystopian future at all, the textures don't make any sense, tiles with girders embedded in them? The hand drawn shit really stands out from the high res normal mapped textures.

>>531765181
>someone who clearly hasn't been here on DD where playing 100 prototypes gets old

>>531763778
I hated that blurry mipmap look, probably why I hated the N64. I'd rather take sharp pixelated textures over that.

Deus Ex 2 was a bad looking game for its time to be honest, it was caught in this limbo of being between doom 3 and hl2

>>531765509
kino ui

>>531765509
and this is exactly what peripeteia looks like, except with even more downscaled textures, artstyle inconsistency and on top of that, anachronistic visual effects.

>>531765634
was thinking the same

Truth? I don't want to mimic old games. I just want the style of the game to be minimalistic whether that best be a mix of N64, PS1/2 and PC games then so be it.

>>531765274
>The end effect on the player is what matters, which is to convince you that you're in a massive dystopian environment. It's when things start making sense that people begin picking it apart for all the things that are wrong, like this picture
since when is a massive dystopia supposed to be an incomprehensible mess of green and black sludge? peripeteia claims to be a post-apocalyptic portrayal of the eastern bloc (ussr, Czechoslovakia, yugoslavia) but it looks absolutely nothing like what those societies actually looked like, sought to represent in their propaganda or even how western contemporaries saw them at the time. it's instead so abstract that it doesn't even look like a real place. this is doubly confusing considering the devs are polacks, so you'd think they'd do a better job at replicating soviet-esque environment given that they once were one.

>>531764934
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/0n93EV

where do i find good non-real rigged car models? there's so much slop out there and i'll need some soon

>>531725921
Because you are just stealing art from more talented people. Dumbass.
https://heros-hour.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_(faction)

>>531766208
You really seem to be hung up on language and the mismatch between what something says it is and what it really is. No one wants to play a game that looks like what the eastern bloc actually looked like (shit), people want to play the idea of what they think an eastern bloc dystopia would look like. The same with psx low poly games, they want to play their idea of what they think it is.

For the longest time I thought the roofs in stalker were tin sheets, that's what my expectation was. Imagine my disappointment when I realized all those corrugated roofs were made of cement, it didn't fit my idea of what rural village houses were at all.

>>531767860
Nice Morrowind clone

>>531766208
>>531766208
>since when is a massive dystopia supposed to be an incomprehensible mess of green and black sludge?
Dystopias aren't "supposed to" look like anything. They look like whatever's wrong their their specific setting. Insisting they're "supposed" to look a certain way is the mindset of someone who views art and worldbuilding as a paint by numbers exercise.

>>531767298
>No one wants to play a game that looks like what the eastern bloc actually looked like
yeah i guess that's why the stalker and metro series never sold well right
>people want to play the idea of what they think an eastern bloc dystopia would look like
and peripeteia looks nothing like even what people think what an east euro dystopia looks like.
either you're being intentionally obtuse to troll or you're 90 iq, im thinking towards the latter, because i don't know how else am i supposed to fucking lay it out for you what the problem with that game is. it makes a claim to be a representation of a real place/a very common idea, it fails at properly representing even the common idea, let alone the real environment, but for some reason you just can't understand that.
if you want to keep it abstract and looking like a somehow even more unfinished version of the half-life 2 beta, then just don't mention what it's "supposed" to be. are you really not that confident in either your work to carry across your inspiration, or that your audience would work it out themselves and get it? cause that's really concerning, especially for someone who claims to be inspired by looking glass and ion storm games.

>>531768078
speak of the devil

>>531762832
>never played that shit
people really ignore Demo Days, don't they?
>>531762106
we've moved away from the PS1 look long ago (and even then it was more of a software rendered PC game look), back in early 2021, when we moved onto hdrp. As I already said in this thread, it's a wretched pipeline but it helped achieve the look we wanted. It isn't 100% true to what games back then actually looked, as >>531760901 correctly states. It's more of an idealized early-to-mid-2000s look and we're proud of it.
Generally I think devs should make what they find visually pleasing without slavishly following convention or fad, and PS1 retro graphics are certainly one, and ran into the ground. I reluctantly added the option for unfiltered textures as a simple statement that in fact, yes, it is possible to pull off in runtime in Unity, as I saw some other devs claim it isn't.
We still like our twatter handle and website url, it's actually crazy no one came up with grabbing those before.

Oh, and fun fact: I saw bump mapping and speculars for the first time back in 1998, it was good ol' Trespasser, a game which has some mechanical influence on Peri, pic related. Bloom is a later development, but most computers (including mine) couldn't really run Outcast back then for it to be remembered.
One interesting thing that Unity has built in, that I really missed from the first Unreal Engine, is detail textures, and we make full use of those in our character models.

>>531747461
guilty of this
guess what - some of the games are still too expensive even when -90% off
1 dollar or bust

>>531768335
>detail textures
Reminds me that Arx Libertatis removed detail textures because "it caused closer objects to be darker and caused other artifacts, which was noticeable when moving." I wish they'd kept it in as an optional setting and then implemented whatever alternative they wanted, but for now you have to build from an alternate branch if you want detail textures or anything like them.

>>531755696
my son likes to play my game, but he just walks around the levels and picks up random items

>>531768335
it still is really funny to me how /agdg/ bends over backwards to defend this game's visuals when they look like just a slight step above those shovelware asset flips from the google play store. everything just looks like the devs threw whatever assets they had at hand from completely random and incompatible asset packs. had this shit actually come out in the 90s, it would've been rated worse than the shit capstone used to put out

>>531758110
>>531757442
>>531757809
Better or worse than the original?

first progress post on cafe sim
nothing works yet
not even sure how it will all look
what if the gameplay is like wario ware but a cafe sim

there are other ways to do gamedev without making a game

>>531769693
the context for this is for a portfolio/uni project, and it's in the image, that you posted, alongside your post, that implied it was written under a completely different context

I did the thing that will increase my level design speed (it won't)

>>531769282
Are you transgender? Serious question.

>>531770451
>>>/lgbt/

>>531770929
Yep, with how hysteric you are, and posting weebslop, you are most certainly a tranny. Or about to troon out in 2 years.

you can lead a steam user to a flashing red button with an arrow pointing towards it, but you cannot make him click it

>>531771552
why are steamies so low iq, in your opinion?

Today I work on cutscenes and animations

>>531771728
burnt dopamine receptors if i had to guess

>>531771804
Today I work on logging.

>>531769973
It could also be for a fake video devblog on youtube.

>>531771552
You have to leave a sign that says don't click here, moron.

>>531771804
Today I made environmental assets.
Now I sleep.
Good night everyone!

>>531771347
>having regular internet male interests means you're secretly trans
That's exactly how trannies try to groom their victims. Whether you're trying to convince me or others that I'm a tranny, your motives are the same as theirs and you share their repulsively gay male behavior.

>>531772589
I think it may be a fetish thing when people accuse others of being trans.

>>531772589
>regular internet male interests
Is this what you and your troon friends think? Grim.

>>531767921
prototyped that stuff, I'm gonna be like Peter Molyneux

>>531753385
Holy shit motherfucker go see a doctor

>>531773379
He does need a succesor.

>>531773553
It will be me

Im having the opposite problem of overcoping, i want to make a very simple 3D game but I can't think of any good ideas

>>531773818
Start with Pong.

>>531773192
I'm not an FtM tranny either, groomer-kun.

>>531773926
butt slapper but with boobs

>>531739120
Isn't this guy a patreon grifter that couldn't even make a simple 2d game from scratch after 5 years? Why should I listen to him?

anything 3D is too big in scope
2D with animations is too big in scope

fagtroon is the second most recognizable shitposters and people still bother replying to him several times in a row
grim

>>531774271
>i'm not a troon even though i talk and act like one and my avatars that i associate myself with are all anime girls
Yeah, right

>>531774597
>fagtroon is the second most recognizable shitposters and people still bother replying to him several times in a row
>grim

>>531728323
I know you're too arrogant to listen to advice but I told you to make a steam page a year ago, that's how people do it btw: you vertical slice a demo with a single level, make a trailer and a steam page. I still hope you'll make it but you sabotage yourself by refusing to listen to advice.

>>531769604
Has more potential as a horror game, like analog horror.

>>531769383
Better but the ground is ugly
Put some vines and torches on the walls in the castle room
Ground just needs some variety. Look into how Rockstar does their road textures and decal-work. Throw some stuff like that randomly on the ground to make it look more like a diverse natural space. Having a path on the ground would help too.

>>531774597
paranoid schizophrenic control freak schizo moment, seek therapy

my game: skyrimworld

it's shaping up quite well

>>531776010
Is it a porn game about rimming?

>>531769383
Also watching more I like the travel camera angle better than the combat camera angle. I think you should keep the travel angle for combat, showing the tree line, but zoom it in a bit on the characters. Focus the camera on the character that’s currently attacking. That will make the combat feel more centered and important.

This week's update to Devil Spire Falls!

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3646460/view/524223243273371653

Everyone might go crazy for the mushrooms and POCKET SAND and EAT GLASS shenanigans, but all I want is for the crashes to be gone with the latest adjustments.

Should I even post these updates here?

>>531776196
you can mod that in of course

Wrote down generic logic for items.
The item has this rule:
{
effect = "plus_const_points",
effect_arg1 = 1,
cond = { "upper_card_value", "<", "this_card_value" },
}
So each card, when evaled, grants +1 if the card upper to it has a higher value.

I forgot what I was forgetting. That is progress.

>>531776450
thanks for sharing, i will buy it later tonight

looks similar to some things i am doing which is inspiring

My Demonophobia like with twincest deckbuilding and fishing mini game that results in rape was supposed to get me out of poverty, now I have to rebrand and make a normalish game and hide the icky stuff behind a mod/patch that I can't post anywhere without getting banned. Why is this jobby so anti freedom now?

>>531772397
good job!

Show me how average game dev looks like in real life

Tell me what's working and not working here. Does this look like a game you would buy?

>>531777579
Post it on /b/ and link here, I want to see it

How do you manage your sound effects when doing a 3D game? Just put all the audio source components directly where needed?

you simply adopted the slop, me, I was born in it

>>531751081
This game is unannounced atm, first one is called hyperkidmorph2mr.gunner though

>>531753791
>>531758031
Her stomach is hanging out.

>>531779032
We all were.

>>531721164
>>531776952
forgot to reply

>>531778584
Stop replying to fagtroon, retard.

>>531778448
Artistic potential is huge here. The sprites are a little too small to rage advantage of it. A slightly bigger sprite would really show off the cool art.

Here's raw gameplay of my amateur solo dev project that I've been working on since 2021. It's called Hellbirther and it's basically a 2D shooter/strategy game inspired by stuff like Ace Combat, Battlefield, and Metal Gear Solid. Currently trying to think of a fitting conclusion to the campaign that includes all of the batshit conspiracy topics I want. Might end up going really balls deep and making the campaign long and intricate as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Lg3L55U_4

we are entering the indie gamedev oppression age in first world countries because christcucks want another prohibition to kill what's left of xer religion while turdies can do whatever they want, unfair....
hopoo was supposed to save us with triple i lobby but he joined valve.....

i wasted the entire day doomscrolling...

>>531780159
Babe, you need to get a job. You're NGMI.

>>531780591
frbr

>>531769121
desu peripeteia looks pretty ugly in that early 2000s game/deus ex/stalker way, but it does a great job at building atmosphere which after playing the demo I'm realizing is more important than asset quality

>>531780556
kys

>>531779840
Relax.

>>531777579
>My Demonophobia like with twincest deckbuilding and fishing mini game that results in rape
Why are anime dev like this?

can you make non pointy lowpoly booba? like as separate rounder objects or is that stupid

did anyone here start out with pico 8?

>>531781587
Yes but I don't see how having them be separate objects helps

>>531780881
>but it does a great job at building atmosphere

This is what matters and what modern AAA games are missing, when shit is too well defined your imagination does no work and you become a passive observer. It's why modern horror games are not scary.

>>531782437
Modern horror games aren't scary?
Then why do they sell so well?

>>531721531
>Rollerdrome but less gay and prudish
sign me up

The game is literally done. Wow.

>>531727378
doorframe pull-up bar and kettlebells are a lazy game dev's best friends

>>531783196
is this a 9/11 simulator for dnd fans?

>>531749967
honestly would rather torture myself solo devving than dealing with contracts and money shit with other insufferable NEET retards

>>531783449
I wanted to exercise but now I've chest discomfort and shortness of breath

>>531747863
the bar for good gibs in a game is if they make me laugh and im dying at this kek

>>531780523
you need to go back to pedosky, you're obsessed with offtopic fake news politics

what would you say to nubby if he was in the room with us rn

How do you get through modeling environments? everytime i have to model a room it takes like a week and what comes out the other end is just shit

>>531784129
why does "he" have a septum piercing

>>531784208
Develop scalable workflows like kitbashing. Don't be a perfectionist. Don't spend a week on something your players will spend 3 seconds walking past.

>>531781903
I'm working with such little geometry theyd have to be just points but I swear I've seen some very lowpoly stuff make them as separate objects to add some roundness but I can't find one of the videos I saw

>>531766298
make them yourself, cars are one of the few things that are actually fun to model and play around with designing

>>531784129
mogs all of /agdg/s browncels

>>531784712
>>531781903
engines can generate primitives like spheres at runtime, saves on model filesize

also, allows jiggle physics without needing to setup a skeleton rig, just script the translations of the separate intersecting boob spheres

>>531785194
>>531781587
game where she is a robot and her boobs can activate and blast off and become hovering option bits that fire plasma lazors over her shoulder

>>531784208
shit like this takes up so much time with virtually zero benefit. once you realize not everything has to be connected it's a total breeze

how come it's so fun to enginedev

>>531782605
Because they're a product and people are looking for a product for reasons that have nothing to do with games being scary. People don't even play the games they buy now, they saw their favourite slopstreamer make onions faces while playing it so they buy it. This is the modern version of michael jordan shoes.

>>531721531
good concept, it's basically roller derby?
How'd you make the concept art?

>>531785541
because you get to play around in an infinite sandbox of code and never actually have to make a game because your engine will perpetually be never be good enough to start building the game in

>>531784839
i absolutely cannot make a car, especially one that isn't based on a real one. it would need interiors and everything. i don't have the time either

>>531785761
unless you want to kitbash synty models then you'll have to pay some indonesian on upwork to make some for you for a lot of money
>absolutely cannot
ngmi

>>531785946
i earn more than $400 on my game monthly, i can absolutely pay

>>531785541
It's beautiful. I love it.

This video illustrates it very good;
I love enginedev. An off the shelf engine could never give you this experience.

https://youtu.be/8eYR9-BupOU

>>531785541
it becomes fun after you work out all the infrastructure stuff which takes a few months