Thread 531817258

#1041 Mecha Albion Edition

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Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel is an online multiplayer videogame using the Master Rule Format.

>Offline Mod
https://github.com/pixeltris/YgoMaster
>Other Mods
https://www.nexusmods.com/yugiohmasterduel/mods/

>Current
Selection Pack: The Perpetual Maze (Mimighoul, RYU-GE, Crystron, Materiactor)
Selection Pack: Struggle in Wonderland (Malice, Tenyi, Battlewasp)
Selection Pack: Battle of Destiny (Gladiator Beasts, Arcana Force)

Under 5
Fusion x Link
>Upcoming
Banlist announcement soon


Useful resources for info on Decklists, Events, etc.
>YGOPro Deck
https://ygoprodeck.com/category/master-duel-decks/
>Game8 (Outdated info, but has some useful combos)
https://game8.co/games/Yu-Gi-Oh-Master-Duel
>Road of the King
https://roadoftheking.com/
>Appmedia (only in Jap)
https://appmedia.jp/master_duel
>List of Secret Packs
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Secret_Pack
>Official Master Duel Page
https://www.konami.com/yugioh/masterduel/en/
>Yu-Gi-Oh! Probability Calculator
https://www.deck-probability.com/index.html
>Small World Help
https://small-world.yugioh-api.com/resolve
>New Player Guide
https://files.catbox.moe/95jg6n.jpg
>Master Duel Meta
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/

impregnating roze

I played against a Fire King deck for the first time today, watching half their cards in their hand literally explode was very funny, good duel too, I never considered Fire King until I saw it in action but it seems really silly

>>531820776
How new are you?
You better thank the banlist for hitting Snake-Eyes else you would HATE Fire King.

>lancea protecting maxx c
the absolute worst thing maliss has brought to the game by far and wide

>>531822171
Your Ash?

>>531822171
Just play deck that doesn't lose to Maxx C, that's the only way to avoid Maxx C mini game

>>531822352
Man fuck off. Normally you run like 6 cards just to fucking counter maxx c, now three of them don't even work. do you see how that breaks everything in the game?

>>531822597
It was a jest, calm down

>>531822597
just run 3x droll and droll yourself bro

>>531822539
Like Blue Eyes? Your board is still much worse and you will lose if you didn't have handtraps in your starting hand.
>>531822696
Sorry.
>>531822728
Most decks can't afford to do this

>>531819132
okay I think I added everything and changed what was wrong, but I get an error because it has less than 40 cards

>>531823830
>Most decks can't afford to do this
you would if you were playing an honest deck kike maliss

>>531823830
Fiendsmith control, BE, Tenpai, stun, Exodia (stun 2), Floo (stun 3), lab (stun 4) + any petdecks that doesn't special summon too much to get nice board or doesn't special at all (stun), or go second

>>531824369
My deck is UNDOUBTEDLY honest actually, it just loses to droll
>>531824395
>Fiendslop
No
>Blue Eyes
Feels weak currently
>Tenpai
No thanks
>Exodia
One s/t negate + a field wipe that can be turned off by a linguriboh or an engraver.
>Floo
Loses to Ash
>Lab
Expensive
>pet deck
>nice board
lol. I still appreciate the post

>>531824060
Fill in the remaining 6 cards with 3 Droll and Lock Bird and 3 Lancea, since they're SR.

>>531824854
Well you have to pick your poison, you lose to ash, you lose to Maxx c, you lose to board breakers or you play fiednslop/azaminaslop piles. There is no deck that doesn't lose to at least 1 of those

>>531824060
Also, in case you missed my post from last thread:
>>531819927

Also, if you like Maliss, you should build it after Chimera before the pack expires in 50 days

>>531825508
>before the pack expires in 50 days
rolled a bunch of times there but I don't think I have the right cards for it

I feel like Triple Tactics Talents usage is through the roof. EVERYONE has that card to activate.

hand-holding with Sky Striker Aces

>>531829006
MOOOOODDDSS

>>531829142
Just be glad I didn't post one with interlocking fingers. Don't test me.

>12k saved for ryzeal
I think I wanna take a break now. Fuck even the dailies. I can't stand this game anymore. See you in two weeks.

>they actually banned most of the suicide cards for under 5
hilarious konami

Fiendsmith is so much fun to play, no idea why so many people hate it

shut the fuck up fiendslopper

>>531835917
Because it's a one card combo engine with no locks. People are sick of engineslop.

>get a 3 win streak
>next 3 games are all disconnects
what a great game.

>>531835917
Engineslop that takes any two bodies so there's no longer such a thing as being punished for playing poorly. You can do everything right and the opponent will end up on fiendslop anyway. This makes going second even worse than it already is

>stupid fucking retard doesn't let me resolve effect that does nothing except make me lose 3k LP
>can't even kill me that turn
sorry buddy now you're getting timed out. you had a chance to kill me quickly and easily but due to you being such a worthless waste of air now you have to sit there for 5 minutes sorryyyyy

is dogmatika a good deck?

>>531817258 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y0znyLaCt0

do you believe in the heart of the cards?

>>531838696
nyo...

>>531838696
no, it aged really poorly
dogmatika invoked used to be a thing but it's completely powercrept
but it's cheap at least, like 2 dogmatika URs (one fleurdelis and one alba zoa)

>>531841696
damn

i really wanted to play this alba zoa guy

Why the fuck are there labtrannies in the event

>Maliss and Tenpai are the two top decks right now
Yeah fuck this I'm just gonna play Stun and you niggers can cry all you want about it but fuck these two decks. Tenpai needs to be kneecapped yesterday. Fuck this never-lose OTK garbage and I hope the retard who designed it gets raped by a gang of somalis.

>60 card chink
>just magically happens to have the exact cards to play around mine

Tri-Brigade Arms "Mouser"
LINK-2 EARTH Beast/Link/Effect
1800 ATK
Bottom-Left / Bottom-Right Arrows
2 Beast, Beast-Warrior, and/or Winged Beast monsters
If this card is Link Summoned: You can send 2 "Tri-Brigade" cards with different names from your Extra Deck to the GY, except "Tri-Brigade Arms "Mouser"", also you cannot Special Summon from the Extra Deck for the rest of this turn, except Beast, Beast-Warrior, and Winged Beasts. If this card is sent to the GY: You can target 1 face-up monster on the field; change it to face-down Defense Position. You can only use each effect of "Tri-Brigade Arms "Mouser" once per turn.

Tri-Brigade Hammer
Quick-Play Spell
Activate 1 of the following effects (but you can only use each effect of "Tri-Brigade Hammer" once per turn):
● Add 1 "Tri-Brigade" Spell/Trap from your Deck to your hand, except "Tri-Brigade Hammer".
● Banish any number of "Tri-Brigade" cards from your GY; Special Summon 1 "Tri-Brigade" Link Monster with a Link Rating equal to the number of cards banished to activate this effect from your Extra Deck, ignoring its Summoning conditions, also you cannot Special Summon from the Extra Deck for the rest of this turn, except Beasts, Beast-Warriors, and Winged Beasts.

>>531851607
>>531851791
not master duel

>>531851607
who is this semen demon

>>531852370
Enako

>>531852453
thats a man

>>531851607
>>531851791
these are really good

>no new black rose support
everyone got duped

bro just play a deck that always wins going 1st or 2nd its not hard

Is Mimighoul's only built in methods of flipping a face-down monster Master on opponent's turn, Maker GY effect and Archfiend on summon? It feels kind of awkward sometimes and I'm tempted to just run extra tech like Swords of Revealing Light or Sol & Luna

>>531859495
I mean, their whole gimmick is to make the opponent open the mimic themselves

>>531851607
>Tri-BUMgade shit
I sleep

Ferrijit the Fertile Blossom

>>531852828
Tranny obsessed retard.

>>531854773
I am?

>>531851607
>>531851791
give springans support god damn it

>Rose Dragon, Tri-Brigade
I sleep was looking into Lyrilsuc Tri-Brigade last night coincidentally
>True Draco
REAL SHIT
I'm absolutely gonna have to test this in the sims when they update, this could be huge or it could be nothing

>>531874831
I think the 3 tribute isnt that good as it's not removal like masterpeace, has no protection and is just a deterrent, not even 3K attack. Why play that over the 3 tribute metaltron?

Stand off is definitely good, but not searchable by the fieldspell. But since it's good in dracoslayer pend slop, it's good enough.

The dracophoenix one doesnt really make sense with the banish effect. I get the name has paradox in it, but it almost feels better to give your opponent.

I think they're just more or less lore cards.

>>531880831
yeah after looking at them closely I'm a little let down, feels like there's a card or two missing to really take advantage of the effects
the new Master Peace would be good if it was 1 or 2 tributes but at 3 it's not super great, and Mariamne just confuses me, would it banish their deck if you summoned it to their side of the field? the effect being "from the hand" makes me feel like it wouldn't trigger, but if it does, you can use it to trigger your other True Draco effects that trigger off of opponent's monster effects at least? you could use Thrust to grab the new spell off of Mariamne's effect at least
it's weird for sure, there's the start of something here but it feels underbaked right now

>>531867287
you will get 3 more copies of gold golgonda and you will LIKE it

>>531883006
good ol utopia ftk bot
supposedly you can make it fail even without handtraps with the toggle but I don't know if it's true

Yes, yes! Yoshit is almost redeeming himself.
How very based of him showing how shit Endy actually is.
Now he just needs to wank Aleister.

>>531884680
it worked for me before, just activated some random shit asap and they missed timing
no idea if they updated it since tho

>>531829006
>>531829494
trans and a suship player btw if that matters

>>531852828
I can guess your favorite deck

>>531885214
Fuck off, you don't speak for me.

>load up game
>dont open any of my 15 handtraps
>opponent normal summons a Maliss
>surrender
I sure do love Master Duel

>>531889907
this happened to me exactly after i read this post except i was the maliss player

>>531889815
You didn't deny either doebeit. Perchance.

which maliss is the most breedable?

decks that end up with more cards in hand than what they started with after setting up a board and a graveyard shouldn't exist

>>531891657
Konami should just cap the amount of cards/effects you can use in a turn. Not because "wow holy shit they keep summoning this is bullshit" but just the sheer length, especially in Master Duel's slow-ass system just makes the game less fun when the opponent just keeps going, and some decks need like 40+ cards/effects activated just to make their endboard, complete with animations for each and every thing
Legit went against a Centur-Ion player and the amount of individual actions they did on their standard turn is fucking unreal for how dogshit their endboard is and how they fold to a slight breeze deep into their combo

>>531817258 (OP)
Is there any kaiju or kaiju-like for the under5 event?

>Lose coin toss 6 games in a row
>All maliss
>Derank
Very fun

>>531892097
or you could play something else

>>531892097
Legit went through the replay and counted
>Trudea summon, Trudea effect, Primera Trap effect/Summon, Primera effect, Wake-Up Effect, Token Summon, Wake Up GY effect, Primera Primus Summon, Primera Primus effect, Emblema Oath activation, Atrii Trap effect/Summon, Atrii effect, Auxila Summon, Auxila effect, Stand-Up activation, Stand-Up Effect, Gargoyle Trap effect/Summon, set 2 cards from hand, pass to EP, Phalanx GY effect, Primera Primus Summon, Stand-Up trigger, Crimson Dragon Summon, Gargoyle GY effect, Crimson Dragon effect, Blazar Summon, Auxila placement effect
THEN I get to my turn, only for my first action to be immediately followed by
>Trudea Trap effect/Summon, Primera Trap effect/Summon, Primera search effect, Stand-Up trigger, Crimson Dragon Summon, Crimon Dragon effect, Blazar Summon
Did they really need 25 summons/cards/effects, followed by 7 more next, just to end up with 2 negates?
I wish we had some sort of sped up animation mode, where all the flashy wooshy effects are skipped and the cards just appear on field with no fanfare

>finally pick up the Ghost Ogre bundle
>only URs are Rebirth Judgment and 2nd N'tss
At least N'tss is used in multiple copies for some decks I guess

>>531885214
>suship
kek catching strays for raye

>>531891551
I'm not trans (just bi) and I don't play Suships (I prefer Zoodiacs and Generaiders if I want to play an Xyz deck). There you go.

>>531893089
>Pulled 3 URs, 2 of which are playable, from a discount bundle and is still complaining
Fuck off

Yuto showing up in episode 7 of Arc-v with no previous hint in the OP or ED was one of the few good decisions they made for it

>>531893531
LOL FAGGOT

>>531893957
And a good day to you too, sir or madam.

Why did it take them 17 years to finally make Black rose dragon a plant? like this card got like 3 retains and only now they do it? Also the support is amazing and plants have their own zombie world now lol.

>page 9
2 packs a month really should be the standard. everyone drops the game the second half of the month

>>531905574
i'm nightingale'ing chumps in the event

>doesn't care about veiler
>doesn't care about imperm
>doesn't care about nib
>doesn't care about maxx c
>doesn't care about apollousa or any monster based negates
damn, phantasm spiral primite is such a based and fun deck

I'm dusting some URs and I need to know if borrelsword is ever going to be useful or not. Should I dust him?

what rank do you guys call it for the season

>>531909338
yeah that's kinda how I feel too, I'm probably gonna make a more optimized version of this for general play after the event's over, it really just doesn't give a shit about most normal methods of removal if you can get its field and sea stealth online

>>531910132
Ninja staple currently.

at what rank do people stop an heroing to yubel

>>531913448
anything else?

How often do secret packs come out? Debating whether I should just spend the UR on Fiendsmith cards instead of waiting

>>531889730
thats a women

>>531916182
With an axe wound
>wielding an axe

>>531917361
thats a toad

I'm starting to think that the event has bunch of bots or people just gambling on me quitting after they show few of their cards.
I have had like 8 games in a row where opponent going first plays like 4 cards, stands still for a minute or two and continues to play normally. Right now im watching as opponent is ending field with water loaner is virtue, bahamut and surfacing big jaws with one card set face down.

utopic ray lancer negation lasting forever is fucking dirty, man

>>531922121
I negated the True Light with the Silvera and he just kept trying to activate it every turn to see if it came back it was hilarious

>Tear Kashtira
>jumps from the hand
>mills a shuffler
>completely ruins my graveyard
organic

>>531922612
It's do that or put up with it bothering you to ask if you want to activate it with every chain.

>opponent summon ogre
>mill 5 of my deck
>hit one of my exodia piece
>in a 60-card deck
>when I already got an ankh and 2 pieces in my hand
ca-cha real smooth

>>531924920
no once every turn

>>531927989
You either activate it once even though it's negated or it will keep prompting you to activate it.

Post em

>>531925903
>3:55
>implying this is even that bullshit off a mill 5
come on now

>>531931210
the bullshit thing is having 3 pieces on the top 10 cards off my 60-cards deck

>>531822597
This. I think it also encourage Konami to make even more compact and powerful engines.

im tired of kaiju

why are branded players allowed to recycle mirrorjade 6 times in one turn?

Will the new Black Rose support bring it up to the level of Resonator / Red Dragon Archfiend?

>>531933392
Because Mirrorjade is a fair and balanced card. You can only control one at a time, you know.

Runicks more like troonicks

>>531935294
it will be way better than RDA
because it's only gonna get slopped into the existing plantpile troon deck

Is Centur-ion even worth building? It seems so expensive for a deck that doesn't do a whole lot

>>531941631
no

>>531941631
If you want to play it you can build it then play it.

>>531941606
kino

>opponent knew how to count to 5
Shit.

>>531931037
It's a shit troll deck that lacks draw power/tools, but I still use it because it's funny as shit when tards don't read.

>>531933392
because that's the deck's entire gameplan

What's the difference between earth machines and railway?

>>531945019
Railway is a specific archetype that focuses on Trains, while Earth Machines is a pile that involves multiple different archetypes, like Railway, Infinitrack and Machina
they also tend to play differently, with pure Railway having a lot of OTK potential while Earth Machines have strong control game, especially with the new Crystron tech (they're not Earth but they get thrown into that pile because they function well with it)

I haven't seen this many suicide decks in a while lmao

>>531946386
Post 'em

BRO STOP CLICKING BUTTONS
BRO
STOP

I love contact fusion

I love Ninjas.

>>531941143
The funny part is that the plant players are mad it locks them into sycnhros so early. God forbid a deck want's an identity

>setup a board and graveyard as much as I can under maxx c to prepare for next turn
>get maxx c'd again
>he just started with allure and drew two cards and extended
I'm glad this game is dying. It will be good fucking riddance.

>>531958626
Is the game actually dying? I'd assume it's due to new yu-gi-oh feeling overwhelming to new players

>>531960167
Yugioh? It's been one step away from dying for 20 years.
Master Duel? It's been a week away from EoS since the release.

>>531960167
I heard YGO's been out of the top 3 TCG in Japan since June or so, usurped by Wanpiss

>>531960167
yeah totally this time for sure

>>531960167
Absolutely when it comes to paper Yugioh, staples are too expensive for anyone new to take an interest since without them they don't stand a chance. With how complex the game is nowadays new and returning players don't stick around when they hit that the leaving curve since nobody wants to engage with a game where it feels like your getting punished for trying to play.

>>531960167
It makes 5 million a month. That's not the mark of a dying game.

do master packs have a higher chance of giving you cards with a high usage rate compared to normal?
every time I dig a secret pack, I keep getting good master pack cards
today I dug the lunalight pack and got a morganite and a kashtira xyz(the once per chain banish one)
I only did 2 10 rolls
something similar happens almost every time I dig a secret pack
I always seem to get meta relevant cards or important pieces of various rogue decks that I have a decent amount of the cards for
I dug a selection pack that had traptrix and a few months later I got a traptrix sera
I made a dark world deck and later got a grapha
I get decent generic staples and extra deck cards too, including DRNM, baronne, and ash
there are way too many cards in the game for me to keep getting the good cards this often
it wouldn't surprise me if they increase the odds of you getting cards for decks you already have or commonly used staples

>>531966162
>do master packs have a higher chance of giving you cards with a high usage rate compared to normal?
no.

>>531951334
I'd love to contact fuse with her, if you know what I mean.

>>531958626
Well, it's not growing, and that's the key point a lot of people are missing.

On the contrary, Yu-Gi-Oh is bleeding players left and right on all fronts, and their attempt at a reboot in Rush Duel failed to meet expectations.

>TCG
Has two major issues. Aside from the power creep and incredibly expensive entry and maintenance cost of the game. It's also got an issue that the western market in general doesn't have the same consumer culture that Asia has. I'm Asia, it's common for people to buy anime goods and such for franchises they like. Thus, you can count on people to always buy stuff to support a hobby they like. This is what allows for OCG rarities to work as they are. However, in the west, they need to use scarcity and power creep incentivize people to buy product. As such, the OCG model will never be sustainable in the west. The game is doomed to always be ridiculously overpriced, and overall a massive scam plagued with power creep.

>OCG
Doesn't have it so great either. Konami has essentially designed themselves into a corner by refusing to ever adopt rotation, and instead relying on gimmicks and power creep to soft reset the game every three or so years. This only worked so far, but a game can only sustain design creep for so long until it becomes completely unapproachable to any new player. They even acknowledged this when doing Rush Duel. However, they're in a doomed if you do, doomed of you don't scenario, and with Takahashi go e it seems they don't really know what to do with the game except kick the can down the road for as long as they can, milking the game for as long as they can. Doing so only makes the game feel more stale, as it continues to bleed players to newer or better designed games, which is why Yu-Gi-Oh lost its top spot in Japan, getting bumped down to no.4. And that decline will only continue as it lacks the means to get new players in.

>>531968597
>MD
Pretty much every problem relating to design in the OCG also affects MD. The game saw a lot of surprising interest due to the Yu-Gi-Oh brand, but it was squandered by a lack of faith in the game, and a lack of direction and mismanagement on how to handle the game. It catered ONLY to the competitive players, while neglecting its potential as a platform to introduce people into the physical game. Be it through lower power formats, or matching the release schedule of the OCG, having pack codes in physical product, etc....

The only real thing MD has going for is is that it's generous, but even that is slowly seeping away as Konami's greed continues to creep in. It makes you wonder how long it will be till the game is as expensive as Duel Links. Especially with Duel Links continuing to crash, which will eventually leave MD as the only real official digital platform for Yu-Gi-Oh.

The game IS dying, but it's a slow death as it's trickling players and failing go capture new audiences.

>>531958626
when I try to play most of the games end by maxx c resolving. no one is benefitting from this, absolutely no one.

*coughs*
Fiendsmith sissies...
what happened to us?

When you get right down to it, the Myutant set only has enough cards for a 20 card deck. 23 if you had 3 copies of emergency teleport.

>>531972680
>MDM

>>531973450
Forgot pic.

>>531972680
snake eyes finally got what it deserved. next up, ash to 0

The untapped data is in.

Everyone fear mongering about Maliss is so full of shit, lmao.

>>531973862
Full list.

This is how Maliss is ACTUALLY performing on the ladder.

All ranks, over 270,000 games recorded.
>Muh master 1
If you wanna pay for untapped, be my guest, but honestly, if Maliss was that overpowered, it'd be further skewed upward by farming low rank games against noobs not running Lancea.

>>531974068
>Mikanko that high
god I hate that deck, I used to think it was less annoying than Yubel, now I'm not so sure anymore

>>531974068
Funny that voiceless is that high. I always see it eat shit vs maliss when I see it in replays.

>>531973862
>>531974068
What this shows is that Maliss is by far the most popular deck on the ladder, but its winrate for how much its being played is absolutely abysmal. It's getting wrecked by Lancea. And as everyone who played the deck already mentioned, it sucks going second.

ban drillbeam

>>531973862
>>531974068
you can't tell me with straight face that apparently blue-eyes IS the best deck this meta

>>531974068
the fuck is a bystial deck
>it's fiendsmith inside
of course

>>531976063
Math doesn't lie.

>>531974528
that card is so fucking retarded. I despise blue eyes because of it. literally elevating that shit deck out of rogue

>>531909338
Fuck this nigger deck. So tired of Konami catering to monkey flip retards.

>>531973862
>>531974068
>>531974449
the winrate for Maliss is shit because it is the most popular deck right now.
Everyone who ever played league knows that champs that are popular have low winrate because of shiters who cant play, meanwhile champs with less than 1% pickrate had always high winrate because they are only played by autistic one-tricks

Mating Pressing Purrely...

>>531968597
TCG can absolutely adopt the OCG model. One of the main reasons I stick to MD and older formats is because the cards too expensive and I feel scammed when I know for damn sure chinky winky in Japan only pays like 2 pennies for his deck. Fuck all that give me the same rarities and pricing in the secondary market or fuck off. That Kevin guy is part of the problem too, greedy jew faggot.

>>531973862
>>531974068
Gold duels don't count retard-kun
only tournament play counts since autistic fags tryhard for $50 while ladder fags roleplay as Kaiba

>>531962913
Yeah handtraps are a big sticking point for me too. Why am I getting punished and interrupted on MY turn and its why I enjoy retro formats I don't have to put up with getting ashed and fuwa'd every fucking game and trying to play the fucking game. Konami needs to go back to the drawing board when it comes to hand traps they are not fun to play against at all.

>>531977153
I'm sorry, but the data proves that Lancea is a toxic card and is basically guaranteed to get hit for the better health of the format.

>>531977509
>Gold duels don't count retard-kun
They count for Konami. Untapped is much closer to whatever internal data they have. Your fanmade tournaments mean fuck all when they decide what to ban.

Right now what Konami is seeing is that an insanely popular cashcow is getting unfairly sacked by a toxic floodgate giving players a bad experience. That's all. Balance is secondary to that. If Konami cared about Balance, they wouldn't design overpowered archetypes in the first place and wait half a year to even touch them.

You guys DID hit Master 1 already right? You're not some filthy casual are you?

>>531973862
>>531974068
I don't care about any win rate. Any deck with usage like that should be nuked and made unplayable. Or just rename the game to Maliss Duel and get it over with.

>>531978278
So you think a deck shouldn't be playable because it's popular...

Too bad. Konami has the opposite opinion.

>>531978229
I don't like torturing myself.

>>531978469
>Casual posts a master 1 profile from 6 months ago

MD really is filled with unplayers isn't it. Have any of you even hit top 5% in rated once?

Maliss? more like MY BITCH

>>531978434
>Too bad. Konami has the opposite opinion.
They do think the same. They didn't waste any time hitting Blue Eyes and bringing the usage down.

>>531979145
NO BUT THE DECK IS UNSTOPPABLE AND NEEDS TO GET BANNED, JOSHUA SAID SO!!!

>>531977969
>Lancea is a toxic card and is basically guaranteed to get hit for the better health of the format.
>when it only hits Maliss, a shit deck that isn't even tier 3 in current meta
lmao

>>531979272
Because BEWD at the time was also BDIF by a lot. Look at the deck's win rate right now, yet retards think the decks is weak because it doesn't show up in this fanfiction >>531972680

>>531978119
>insanely popular cashcow is getting unfairly sacked by a toxic floodgate giving players a bad experience
Yeah, their cashcow that surely not get hit at all in both events they got during its debut
Oh wait

>>531979335
I'll be screencapping this post for when the new Banlist drops.

>>531979480
This one too.

>>531979567
Sure buddy
Why don't you tell me about Ryzeal too

>>531979567
sure, and i'll be screencapping you're post for when the new banlist drop
and also the one from last thread because there's a whole 50 (FIFTY) of them after all

>>531979603
You mean the deck launching next month?

>>531979567
you're shit deck is shit buddy
they're as much of a cashcow as motherfucking r-yu-ge

>>531979786
I'll do anything for my wife Alice.

>>531979776
why not up the ante? ryzeal is coming in 2 weeks, at full power (with eclipse twins), and it won't be pre-hit at all

>>531979831
Be sure to screencap my post for next month when it drops. Though I know you won't post it when I'm proven right, so I'll do it so that you kneel when I am.

>>531979882
Yes to all.
Double or nothing.

Bet.

However, I demand a rimjob from the Verre shitposter when I'm proven right.

>>531979919
you know what, i don't even need to do that
i'm sure you'll post the exact same thing daily until next month
non-stop
every single day
seething

>>531979882
You joke, but this is exactly what Konami would do.

>>531979919
>>531979567
>screencap
are we really gonna do this again and again?

>>531981570
Do we have anything better to do?

Joshua Schmidt playing new U5 Event in Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

>blue-eyes using this in master
wat
why
you can't even link it away

How Joshua Schmidt beats Floodgates with Branded Despia

Joshua Schmidt discovers Psy-Frames in Master Duel

>>531981813
>>531981637
I do not care about that retarded faggot.

>>531974068
It has a 60% winrate going first but loses extra hard going second because the first turn player will have had interruptions to protect their lancia. Also shitters bring the winrate down

>>531982041
>It has a 60% winrate going first but loses extra hard going second
So?

>>531982406
>34 tabs
You good bro?

>>531982518
It's all porn.

>>531982406
>Easy deck to play that doesn't care about lancea performing better than malpiss
so?

why was retarded shit like mermail given the best board breakers in the game is what fucking confounds me

>>531982572
So we agree Lancea is a problem then?

>>531982638
No. Malpiss is for warping the metagame around it. Blue eye's biggest weakness are bystials and lancea turns them off

>>531981797
>normal summon it
>kill apollousa
>then xyz it away into dugares with beryl if you need it
>or tribute it for blue-eyes
probably something like that?
that thing shuts down maliss hard even going second unless they had terrahertz on field
and people apparently already phasing out terrahertz

>>531982680
>warping the metagame around
That doesn't seem to be the case at all. Deck is massively underperformimg.

>>531982638
>none of the top deck even cares about lancea
>"Lancea is a problem then?"
kek

>>531982764
No it's the most popular deck and people are preparing accordingly. You're also using data from ranks as low as bronze lmao. You need to use master and rating because that's where all the sweats are

>>531982764
>1 out of 2 people use Maliss in the ladder
>not warping the metagame

>>531982898
>1 out of 2
Mathlet.

>>531983135
?

>>531982870
>You need to use master and rating because that's where all the sweats are
Are you inferring that Konami is only interested in Master Rank when determining the health of the meta?

You sure about that?
You SURE about that?

>>531983181
Where are you pulling that from?

It's 36% right here
>>531974068
>>531973862
>>531974449

Are you paying for untapped to get master rank only? If so, can you post the rest of the lists with more accurate data, and the matchup winrates for the deck?

>>531983230
They're concerned about usage rate as well as player behavior after a match like quitting the client and no longer playing for x days. If anything they're more likely to hit Malpiss because it's ruining the variety of matches lower ranked players are facing and they're the most likely to get bored and do something else

>>531983230
Of course those are the main consumers for their business model.

>>531983519
>If anything they're more likely to hit Malpiss because it's ruining the variety of matches lower ranked players are facing and they're the most likely to get bored and do something else
Delusional. If >>531983181 anything is to go by then lower ranks are more diverse. Much more, since the overall is 36% while the high rank is 45% in fact, based on the bar chart seen there, low ranks see Maliss lower than 10% more than likely.

Not to mention Maliss is on the banner for 2 months, so it won't get touched during that time, and Ryzeal will drop next month, meaning the Maliss usage will naturally drop and get overshadowed by Ryzeal.

Meanwhile, Lancea persists as an unfun and toxic floodgate, regardless of anything.

>>531983883
>Meanwhile, Lancea persists as an unfun and toxic floodgate, regardless of anything.
Not to Ryzeal players ;)

>>531983883
>Lancea persists as an unfun and toxic floodgate, regardless of anything.
can we kill droll first

>>531983883
Post is gone. I see malpiss all the time on my alt that bounces between gold and platinum. it's highly unlikely to be 10% especially when it's still the selection pack.

Lancea does nothing against most decks, It's hardly toxic unless you're a malpisster

>>531984071
Idk why he deleted it when he's clearly paying for untapped and the extra breakdown and data could be useful in this discussion. But in short, at Master Rank Maliss has a play rate of 44%

I'd love to see what the rest of the meta looks like at Master, and the matchup data for how it goes up at individual decks. The overall winrate is still really low, proving Maliss is having a hard time winning even at the top rank.

>>531984420
The Malpiss matchup is a sackfest and people are forced to run Lancea or concede. The fact that's it's usage is over 45% in spite of the Lancea is a sign that the meta would be much worse without.

>use scrap garage
>opponent got called by every single time

>>531984640
The usage is at 45% because it's a popular deck with a very appealing theme. It was extremely popular in the OCG right out of the gate because it's Alice in Wonderland. i remember trying to get packs of Crossover Breakers and it being sold out everywhere when it came out in Japan. It coming to master duel, and being the first shake up of a very stale meta, ofc it'd be extremely popular.

>Ends on Apollousa + trap
>Said trap brings back their entire monster and banishing your opponent's card
So Maliss is basically Tribrigade 2

>>531968597
dont preach like rotation is ever a good thing, because that only works if you have a extremely low barrier to entry, so it makes getting new cards and good cards easy to get and replenish every cycle, mtg players are basically delusional because theyre going to spend hundreds of dollars on the aftermarket, only for those cards to become "illegal" in a few years, and then spend thousands on commander decks.

>>531985492
The price of entry into the game is something 100% under Konami's control. Look at Pokemon. has rotation. Has an expanded format. Decks cost peanuts.

Yugioh COULD do the exact same, the brand is strong enough to sustain that.

>>531985990
kys rotationigger

>>531986026
Riveting arguement shit-for-brains.

they really just need more formats
they can rename the current one as Super Expert format in homage to Kaiba's Battle City
add rotation/construction-lite where you can only use cards from packs that is currently being sold in shop
then N/R to ease people moving from construction
then edison/goat/pre-MR4/pre-MR5 or whatever

heck, literally anything is better than these

>>531986673
I agree. There really should be a rotation format in MD. They can still keep the current format to keep people happy.

As someone who only plays Yugioh please explain how rotation works like I'm retarded because I'm clearly not getting something
Right now in Yugioh if I wanted to play something shit like Beetroopers or whatever I'd be dumpstered by the meta
If we had a rotation then every Beetrooper card would just be banned outright. So how does that help me?

>>531987405
Every two years, the cards in the format rotate out of the format so only a pool of two years worth of cards would be legally playable. For Master Duel, if it hypothetically got rotation, if lets say rotation was in October, then that would mean that Bystials, Tearlaments, Kashtira, Labrything, Runick, etc... would all rotate out in Oct, and only archetypes released after Oct 2023 would be legal for Standard format. This also includes Hand traps, so unless made evergreen, certain handtraps would also be rotated out.

Everything not legal for standard would then only be playable in Eternal format, which is basically the only current format in Yugioh and Master Duel.

I can’t wait until new Tri-Brigade link-2 comes to MD

>>531984420
maliss has a (relatively) low winrate because everyone is teching against it
the deck is unironically going to get better once ryzeal comes out and you can't run 3x lancea/3x chaos hunter

>>531987829
So I was right?
Decks from the last couple sets are already the only ones that see play. So the only difference is that older decks are banned instead of just being bad?

>>531988074
You have a format where you can't play older cards, but that would also include any handtraps, floodgates, and so on that didn't get reprints (werent officially approved or designed for the format). It also includes boss monsters too, and other ED engines and such. So Apollousa for example, probably wouldn't be legal right now.

A lot of new decks also get really strong because they can tech in some very powerful boss monsters and engines that are older.

A rotating format is essentially a much more controlled environement that's much easier to balance.

>>531988352
>So Apollousa for example, probably wouldn't be legal right now.
She is already banned in 2 formats. That's a banlist issue not a rotation issue.

>>531988605
But that's exactly it. If you have a rotating format, then you don't need to outright ban her. She could stay legal in the eternal format, unless a deck was truly far too centralizing. You no longer need to hit decks to push product. They could be much higher power level and let people have fun.

The rotating format is where you try to keep a more balanced lower power level the highlights the newer stuff.

hot take: crossout should go back to 3

>>531988789
I'll be honest I still don't understand the benefit to any of this.
It is literally just banning 100% of rogue decks while the meta remains identical.

>format is so terrible that Stun is rising in popularity
the ultimate sign of a dogshit meta.

>>531989017
Because you give people options, and that's the entire point being made. Currently, we have the worst of both worlds. An eternal format where everything is legal, but only a small fraction is ACTUALLY playable, and decks get forcibly rotated through the banlist and power creep.

If you had rotation, then the banlist would only exist for balance, the new decks would have a lower power ceiling due to a smaller card pool, and an eternal format would still exist, and see less bans that has rogue decks catch strays.

TWO format, or more than two as the other anon said, is better than one that's poorly managed and uses the banlist to push new cards.

>>531988902
You're not wrong cross out and called by need to be at 3 tired of niggers sacking me cuz they drew a billion hand traps.

>>531989197
>Because you give people options
How does banning 90% of the cardpool give options? It just means you're forced to play meta.

>>531989308
Because you have more than one format.
One format is more limited and has a lower power level. One format is almost max power. Very much like the current one.

Basically, people are saying "add another format to the game that rotates, IN ADDITION to the current one we have."

How is this a bad thing?

>>531990035
>Basically, people are saying "add another format to the game that rotates, IN ADDITION to the current one we have."
But that format would look identical because the top decks are already the most recent ones. So you'd have Maliss format #1 and Maliss format #2. There's literally no difference in power level.

The only difference is the rotation format forces you to play a tiered deck.

>>531989104
People aren't happy with 80% of their games being Maliss or Tenpai?
Why ever not?

>>531990543
nobody plays tenpai anymore

Maliss <P> Challenger Cup today! #sponsored

>>531990327
>But that format would look identical because the top decks are already the most recent ones. So you'd have Maliss format #1 and Maliss format #2. There's literally no difference in power level.
I wouldn't though, because Maliss would only have access to the cards that came with it in this selection pack and whatever else released under rotation.

So lets build a hypothetical of how Rotation COULD work in MD based on how toher games do it. Duel Masters Plays rotating format is yearly. So basically, every secret pack released STAYS on the shop for a whole year, rather than for 2 months, this lets people know EXACTLY what is legal in the rotating format. As such, the special sets like Sky Striker would be legal. Maliss would have a smaller pool of cards, etc... And Konami could even release "Meta" banners that establish the range of hand traps and so on that are legal.

Under that scenario:

https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/sets/struggle-in-wonderland
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/sets/inherited-unity

So that means no Splash Mage, no Apollousa, no Decode Talker, no Firewall Dragon, no Haggard, no Bystials, etc...

Maliss would be MUCH lower power level.

Also, look at the other stuff that came with Maliss that isn't seeing play. All those weaker decks that release would ALSO be way more viable. Tenyi Swordsoul, Battlewasp... etc...

The current meta for standard would be very different in fact. Snake Eyes also wouldn't be playable.

AND you'd still have the current meta format in the Eternal format that has everything in the game legal.

>>531991748
Battlewasp and Tenyi are legacy support for old decks so no neither of them would even be playable

>>531992085
Look at the pack again. All those cards got "reprinted" with the new selection pack. And because selection packs do this, they have a lot of freedom to reprint as much as they need to.

>>531992556
Most of the current Insect pile decklist isn't in the pack, so no you absolutely are not playing Battlewasp without them

> they have a lot of freedom to reprint as much as they need to.
And what exactly would stop them reprinting Splash Mage, etc to keep Maliss full power? Nothing about this makes any sense you're just making it up as you go along

>>531992840
>And what exactly would stop them reprinting Splash Mage, etc to keep Maliss full power? Nothing about this makes any sense you're just making it up as you go along
It would be their call. The goal is to have a lower power more balanced format. They can reprint Splash Mage, but they also could not. The entire point of a rotating format is that it's a lower power format with a more limited card pool that's easier to balance.

So consider EVERY selection pack that's released for the year, the 12 monthly ones, plus special anniversary ones, plus the odd bonus one here and there. As well as the Branded Deck. And whatever Structure decks they released this year. You're looking at rought 20 selection packs in rotation more or less. They could easily do an "insect" selection pack, or free up the Insect Secret pack and put it into the rotation list so it stays up for a year if they want.

They point being is they have FULL control of what's in the format, AND with foresight of how certain decks performed. Sure, if they WANTED to release the Cyberse secret pack and put it into the rotation list, they could do that too. It\s their call, but that's the point, you're creating the options and tools, to have a lower power much more diverse format that still features the newer cards. The devs have ways to control how strong the meta relevant decks actually get by balancing what old cards they get access too, and try to force players to play them more pure.

If they wanna play the full power version from the paper formats, the eternal format is right there for that too.

But at least the rotating format is more interesting.

If your arguement against this is going to be
>well Konami is too stupid/greedy/lazy/incompetenet to pull this off
Well yeah, that's the argument we're ALL making. But they could easily do it.

Konami could have easily set MD up so that the Selection Packs stay up for an entire year, but they're too greedy to do that.

>>531993390
>Well yeah, that's the argument we're ALL making.
No the argument that you're making is that rotation would make the game better. But so far you've demonstrated that it would solve exactly 0 of the games problems, and would ban every single rogue deck in the game for no benefit.

>>531993390
Also, I'd argue there's a higher chance they WOULDN'T reprint the Cyberse cards for the Rotating format. Because you have the Eternal format anyway, where people will wanna play full power Maliss. So by not reprinting the Cyberse power cards that Maliss needs, you're forcing Eternal format players to roll the secret packs to build the full power deck for the Eternal format.

Meanwhile the Rotating format has "baby Maliss" which doesn't have access to all the broken cyberse stuff and the Bystials which make the deck extremely powerful, but are given a lower power format where they can learn to play the deck pure.

Meta players will roll for full power Maliss in the eternal format anyway, you don't need to push Maliss in the weaker format, it's fine. On the contrary, use the weaker format to push the decks that would never shine in the eternal format anyway. Like Battlewasp.

>>531993786
Ok bro, you're just going in circles repeating the exact same thing over and over again like you're trying to win an internet argument, instead of exploiring the possibilities in good faith, and reading what I'm actually posting.

I'm just gonna drop the topic then since it's clear you're not actually interested in engaging in this discussion and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Rotations hinges way too much on Konami's competency to keep the format interesting
N/R on the other hand, is the land of free as in freedom

>>531994132
he's likely a low IQ nigger with youtube brainrot. pay him no mind.

>>531994132
Because you still haven't addressed the actual issue I had. Which is how does banning S-Force fix full power Maliss format?

So far you've pretended that rotation would mean Maliss loses access to generic Cyberse tools, but Battlewasp maintains access to generic Insect tools because reasons. Even though we both know it would be the opposite in reality.

All you've done is create a fantasy banlist in your own head that nerfs all the decks you don't like and buffs all the decks you do like with no consistency or rules.

if youre not playing at least 2 roach and 3 charmy you're behind.
hand traps don't go 1:1 anymore, might as well get more draw power for the crackback

>>531995021
>Because you still haven't addressed the actual issue I had. Which is how does banning S-Force fix full power Maliss format?
S-Force would have been more playable when it came out 2 years ago in MD, and would have been as such for a whole year in a format which saw everything else in the meta be of a much lower power level than how it was in actuality.

Plus, it would remain as playable as it currently is in the eternal format, which is our current format.

>So far you've pretended that rotation would mean Maliss loses access to generic Cyberse tools, but Battlewasp maintains access to generic Insect tools because reasons.
Not "for reasons" the expressed intent of the rotating format is for it to be lower power. There's no reason to make it an exact mirror of the full power format, unless you're retarded. If designed properly to be lower power format for newer cards, and with the foresight of EXACTLY what's meta, then it makes sense to give the weaker decks access to older cards by putting their secret pack on the yearly rotation list, and restrict access to the old cards the stronger decks that already become meta.

>Even though we both know it would be.....
We're not talking about reality. Reality we don't have shit. Konami is retarded and greedy. Too retarded and too greedy to exactly this, even though they have proof of concept with their competition. This is exactly how Duels Masters Plays is run.


>All you've done is....
What rules?
I've expressed the intent clearly and even told you how it would be managed. We ALREADY have selection packs. We ALREADY secret packs become available on the store. Ratther than having those be on there for 2 months, you have them be on there for an entire year, and THAT'S your card pool for the rotating format. It's extremely simple, and you're intentionally selecting the pool of cards to have a lower power more balanced format that highlights diversity.

It's SUPPOSED to be a curate rotating list of the new cards.

>>531996120
Right so all of this hinges on an alternate univeres Konami that wants a good format
But if we had that we'd just have a good banlist instead. And rotation would still make even that fantasy format worse becase, again, you've banned every rogue deck in the game

>>531994000
your shit doesn't even work for maliss because apo isn't even cyberse and bystials is actually used as extender rather than disruption
and fast forward next format, and we'll get ryzeal where all their busted shit is basically all new except tachyon

and your idea of rotations requires konami to maintain two contradictory format, where new decks needs to be powerful so they can sell it in eternal, while also low-powered so as to not ruin rotation
unless they pre-hit stuff in rotation, powerful deck will stay powerful in rotation

>>531996081
>charmy
>implying you even gonna draw more than once with charmy

>>531996697
surely your deck is good enough to break the half board they make under charmy

>>531996394
>But if we had that we'd just have a good banlist instead.
What is a good banlist to you? No banlist will ever make Battlewasp a playable deck.

>you've banned every rogue deck in the game
You still have the eternal format. What are you? A fucking parrot?

This point is completely irrelevant.The entire point is that weaker decks get an entire year to be much more relevant in a weaker format.

>>531996440
>your shit doesn't even work for maliss because apo isn't even cyberse and bystials is actually used as extender rather than disruption
And Apol wouldn't be legal unless reprinted which is unlikely.

>Ryzeal
You still have the banlist, which you can use more aggressively since there are multiple formats.

>>531996818
half a board and +3 draws, you mean
also i use code of soul to summon apo on your turn btw

>>531996818
i was fuwa'd twice yesterday on maliss and i won both duels

>>531997006
>You still have the eternal format.
Right so now we have 2 different full power Maliss formats
Whatever man it's clear you haven't thought this through at all

>>531997068
>>531997131
Please...

>>531997393
>Right so now we have 2 different full power Maliss formats
>Whatever man it's clear you haven't thought this through at all
Why
Do
You
Keep
Repeating
The
Exact
Same
Talking
Points
After
I
Answer
Them?

Maliss woudln't be full power without Apo, the Cyberse cards, Bystials, and half the Hand Traps it runs.

>>531997006
>And Apol wouldn't be legal unless reprinted which is unlikely.
it will be reprinted to shill fiendsmith before it
>You still have the banlist, which you can use more aggressively since there are multiple formats.
>implying different banlist for different format
now you lost me
this is some high-grade hopium, which hinges on konami not only giving a fucks about this rotation format, but also competent enough to have a banlist that promotes a healthy and balanced meta there
and i can't imagine the PR nightmare from having powerful deck like, let's say, maliss immediately pre-gutted in rotation while released full-power in eternal
and then how do they even know which cards to hit if they release it at the same time in both format
we're talking about some corpo that decided to limit promethean princess in some event... even though she's a 1-of

>>531997497
You've pretended that those cards won't be reprinted. Why exactly would Konami not reprint them?

>>531997497
Why
Do
You
Talk
Like
A
Faggot

>>531998108
Read >>531996120


>>531998049
No shit it's hopium. It began with the other guy saying Konami should make a variety of formats. One of them being a rotating format. Someone else asking how that would work, and me explaining how that would work by comparing it to how a COMPETENT company, Takara Tomy, does it with Duel Masters Plays. Konami isn't competent. They're retarded and greedy. They COULD have done this, all the means for this are RIGHT THERE, but they won't. They don't even know how to properly manage the Yugioh brand so it's a proper success like Pokemon, let alone properly manage Master Duel.

This is a given.

It's pure "what if" which is why it's so ridiculous why people are attacking this with this argument.
>Konami wouldn't do that
NO FUCKING SHIT.
But they COULD.
Just like they could add retro formats to MD. just like they could add a Structure Deck format to MD, etc... etc... but they're too goddamn retarded.

>>531997497
without handtraps in rotation, that also means other deck also have no handtraps to stop them
in that kind of format, i guess you're right to surmise that maliss would be weaker

because bullshit like chimera prolly would dominates

>>531998316
Because I have to bring myself down to your level.

>>531998476
Would Chimera be legal? I think it would be out of rotation if we do it yearly like Duel Masters Plays. Banners only stay up in rotation for a year.

>>531998441
rotationiggers are the dumbest motherfuckers on earth I swear to god
literally BEGGING konami to make the cards you buy expire and force you to buy new ones
never seen anything more cucked

>>531998441
>how a COMPETENT company, Takara Tomy, does it with Duel Masters Plays.
is their eternal their main format or is it their rotation
rotation seems like something that needs to be put into focus to works but we can't just hard-switch into rotation

>>531998441
see>>531985492

>>531998682
Both are equal with full ladders for them. Players are free to choose which ladder they want to climb or if they want to climb both (very hard to do) each season. If you top that ladder btw, you get invited to yearly tournaments in Japan.

>>531998858
do they have yearly tourney for both format

>>531998858
yes, you get invited for the format you topped in. You're also given special reward for reaching the Duel Master rank, such as seasonal sleeves and mats exclusive to that seasonal ladder.

>>531999086
meant for >>531998908

>>531998908
>>531998682
Honestly, just download Duel Masters Plays, and check it out for yourself. It's a good game and a good contrast to compare what Konami SHOULD be doing.

>>531998603
>Would Chimera be legal? I think it would be out of rotation if we do it yearly like Duel Masters Plays. Banners only stay up in rotation for a year.
then it's probably a toss-up between
punk with their free draw 3 + 4 disruption and pep otk
tachyon with counter-traps-from-hand-btw
and memento with their 30 minutes combo
prolly memento

though white forest maybe kinda make it because i think they got new support right at the end of last year so they'd prolly reprint that shit in full

>>531999402
do you really think some layman can just hop onto a game and suddenly grasp not only the meta, but also how healthy it is
also that shit looks maidenless

>>531998441
>it's so ridiculous why people are attacking this with this argument.

Some anons were hit as children when they were wrong so they feel the same pain when they're wrong in other situations.
It's sad to see their coping mechanisms play out in real time knowing this.
They're usually experts at talking in circles since being the last one to respond can be twisted as a win.

>>532000275
I mean, I play more than just MD.

>>531998441
>But they COULD.
I won't put that kind of hopium in the realm of COULD honestly

>>532000867
Could as in, it's in their capacity to do so. Not that there'e any chance they will.

>>532000643
i also play lost chapter, what's your point

>>531998441
This argument is like insisting that Konami should add a farming simulator to Master Duel and ban Apollousa. And when I point out that they could just ban Apo anyway you start banging on about how essential the farming simulator is to the whole process.

You haven't explained at all how the actual act of ROTATION benefits the game beyond removing a few cards you don't like in such a way that could already be achieved with a banlist. Except instead of banning a handful of problem cards we also ban every deck thats already bad.

It's absurd that you're getting this angry while being completely incapable of explaining any tangible benefit of your genius idea.

>>532000960
See, that's what I mean
I don't think they have the capacity to do that kind of thing

>>532001178
I don't want them to ban Apo. I want Apo to be playable in one format that's more "max power have fun" and for there to be lower power format with more limited options that's constantly changing.

How is that hard to understand?

>>531981797
it's basically light and dark barrier mashed together with a bigger body. Of course it is seeing some play

>>532001183
can/could has one meaning in this context. It's about the ability to do so. Your opinion of their capability is objectively wrong.
They have humans employed that code games, therefore they could do it if they tasked the devs to do so.
You're splitting hairs to have something to say

>>532001412
still sounds like you can still achieve that just by maintaining two banlist
if some old deck get too powerful for the newer deck to perform well, then just hit that old deck specifically
no need to ban everything else under the sun

Virtual world bros... Do I give up hope?

>>532001414
but blue-eyes?
the one that uses LIGHT monster extensively?

>>532001890
just xyz/link it off retard

>>532001412
I kind of agree with this.
Chasing this elusive "perfect format" by constantly banning "problem cards" is like a dog chasing cars. You're never going to get that end result. They're just going to print more problem cards. It's an endless treadmill.

So simply separating the game into two formats, one which stops trying to "ban problem cards" and just lets things be more crazy unless they're too overpowered. And one with a more limited card pool and a more aggressive banlist which aims for balance, is the best of the both worlds. Especially in an environement like Master Duel where it could easily be experimented. This would also be better for newer players as well.

>>532001603
Nah, I don't think their humans can code as well as that other humans, much less knowing the in and outs of their own games

>>532001412
>be lower power format
You keep posting this and every time I ask how banning Abyss Actors makes the format lower power you ignore me.

ALL of the top decks are recent decks. That's a fact. Banning old decks means banning low power decks. I still don't understand how you think banning decks that are already bad will bring the power level down. Maliss will still be the top deck in both formats.

And even IF we pretend that they ban all the Cyberse stuff (they won't) why exactly does that require banning Abyss Actors as well? What's the POINT of a lower power format if I can't play rogue decks in it because you banned them all?

>>532001890
>the one that uses LIGHT monster extensively
my favorite light monster

>>532001954
into... what?
spirit is a LIGHT monster so you can't just swap it away

>>532002087
Because I've literally answered this exact question 4 times but you keep asking it again, by using a new archetype. Ctrl+F S-Force.

>>532002152
mausoleum double normal summon doesn't work for either of them, so you either summon beryl or drago but not both
and it only prevents special summon anyway, so even if beryl is hypothetically a LIGHT monster, you can still normal summon it

>>532002184
hmmmmmmm

>>532002087
Wait for new Abyss Actor support so they enter the new rotation and become playable/meta. It's not a hard thing to understand. Stop being obtuse.

I love BE primite so much man

>>532002361
NTA, but you didn't answer anything there
you only said that s-force gonna have their time in the spotlight, but you said nothing about the reasoning behind why they needs to be banned from the game by being rotated away

>>532002459
>there are people who forgot pisty
grim. Bring back all dragon support

>>532002459
that's a DARK monster, anon
drago also prevents DARK SS

>>532002459
>dark
retard alert

>>532002514
so you want to flood packs with shitty reprints, boy people are going to love that

>>532002459
retard. The actual answer is romulus for links and a million answers for xyz

>>532002595
>why they needs to be banned from the game
Because I never said this and you can't read.

TWO FORMATS. The current one stays as is.

You add a new one with a limited card pool of 1 year of selection packs only. How is that hard to understand.

>but muh rogue deck that rotated out
Is playable in the current format which remains. I've said this like FIVE TIMES now.

>>531996120
>>532002361
>S-Force would have been more playable when it came out 2 years ago in MD
S-Force came out in the same selection pack as fucking Eldlich and Tri-Brigade so no it absolutely would not have been.
But for some reason you think its banworthy now?

>>532002920
why not just use nightmares?

>>532002851
That already happens captain retard. Go look at all the reprinted cards in the Selection pack.

>but it would add more
Or they could just put the relevant Secret Pack on the rotation list.

>>532003007
>You add a new one with a limited card pool of 1 year of selection packs only.
so... fiendsmith maliss blue eyes, memento, mermail etc?
sounds like an exciting alternate format anon!

Here's how we fix the "going second bad" problem in yugioh.
Make engine cards have BONUS EFFECTS when you're using them going second.
These cards are good when you're going first but becomes EVEN BETTER when you go second.
Archetypes need to have at least 2-3 cards that work like this, I don't know why they usually only give them one.

>>532003007
you're splitting hairs to talk in circle
i meant why does s-force needs to be keep out of this second, low-power format when it has zero impact on that format
and what's the point of regularly removing all those untiered-even-in-lower-power-format decks

>>532003041
S-Force got new cards with the DM stuff. And it included reprints.
>But for some reason you think its banworthy now?
The current format is still available. Why are you being like this?

>>532003212
I've already pointed this out a dozen times and he always ignores it and insists that Maliss format #2 is somehow lower power because it doesn't have War Rocks in it

>Anon: Golly I wish there was a way to play Super Quants in Master Duel without getting stomped by Maliss and Fiendsmith
>Rotationanon: What if we banned Super Quants?

>>532003109
is there a world where you use knightmare goblin to co link for the extra normal summon get get meiru drago on the field?

no, but seriously
how does this shit works
so you just summon drago, hope they don't have out next turn and then loop beryl?

>>532003964
>chaos hunter
fucking BASED decklist

>>532002514
>Wait for new Abyss Actor support so they enter the new rotation and become playable/meta
Abyss Actor Super Producer came out during fucking TEARLAMENT FORMAT you deranged fuck
But at least you banned Frightfurs! That could have been a disaster!

>>532003964
why croco?
is there some kind of exploit from summoning it via crimson dragon or something?
discard 2 to destroy 1 seems like a big minus

>>532003964
In BE 2 cards combo you go for Seal + Spirit and then you just summon it off Seal and protect it with Drillbeam

>>532003964
bring out meiru off spheres dummy

>>532003212
Blue Eyes wouldn't have Quazar and the other degen shit. They'd have to rely more on their own archetype.

Fiendsmith wouldn't have Snake-Eyes.

And the overall power of the format would be lower than the current and the paper formats, which would let the weaker decks that release alongside the stronger decks more room to shine. It changes the power of the format from
>only this is playable
To
>The overal meta might look similar, but the decklists are completely different, and much weaker, and this enables weaker decks to be much more playable with the more mid ones actually being proper rogue options


But you know what, excuse me for trying to express nuanced points. You're too brainrotten to understand anything outside of absolutes. Yes, anon, it's the exact same shit. Rotation has literally NEVER EVER WORKED. What Konami does, with using the banlist to push the format is a much better option, and they should never EVER use a platform like MD which is risk free to experiment with new possibilities they could never do in paper.

Also, never mind that keeping the Selection Packs on the store for a year is more consumer friendly, and using that to curate a lower power format is also a better less overwhelming environment for newer players to learn the game.

You're gonna be playing the exact same format you're playing now. So why the fuck do you even care if this exists?

>>532004243
Why do you care so much?

You wouldn't play this format if it existed. So how does it existing affect you?

>>532004410
>Blue Eyes wouldn't have Quazar and the other degen shit. They'd have to rely more on their own archetype.
way to out yourself as not even playing the format you're trying to fix
jesus fucking christ

>>532004396
can confirm just won 2 games in a row bricking insanely hard off sphere pass+dillbeam into meiru

>>532004381
>>532004396
holy shit that sounds fucking busted
brb adding it to my deck

>>532004410
why not just ban snake-eyes and quasar in this second format instead of banning literally everything older than 12 months

>>532004554
>You wouldn't play this format if it existed
Neither would you, let's be honest. Because it would be identical to the current ranked ladder which you've already revealed you don't play.

its not that complicated i dont know why anon isnt getting it
for a lower powered format you ban newer decks and leave older ones legal
in a rotated format you ban older decks and leave newer ones legal
its the opposite of what you want

>>532005426
but once the likes of maliss and ryzeal gets older, that lower powered format won't be so lower-powered no more

>>532005673
it will be lower power than whatever the modern format is at the time
while rotated will always be two identical formats is the point

>>532004713
>Modern game is so retarded bricking comes with an omnigate+banish a bounce and a light/dark barrier statue
Grim

>>532005093
I would. I prefer rotating formats in most digital TCGs.

>>532005076
Because then you're playing whack-a-mole with a card list of over 10,000 cards.

>>532004568
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/cards/Crimson%20Dragon

Crimson Dragon would have rotated out 5 months ago.

>ryzeal/maliss are the best decks but you can play shit decks if you want to
>ryzeal/maliss are the best decks and all rogue decks are banned
who in their right mind chooses the latter format?

>>532006429
>Because then you're playing whack-a-mole with a card list of over 10,000 cards.
just like our current banlist!
they just need to be more aggressive about it, and they're kinda managing during the event, like dice rally earlier this year kind of did decent with the banlist

Whenever we have a shit format people start theorycrafting massive sweeping overhauls to the fundamentals of how the game works. In reality you could fix 90% of this game with like 10 bans.
And despite what some people will tell you, you can ban those 10 cards without also banning S-Force for some reason.

>>532005426
You can have retro formats too, but those grow stale fast since they don't get new cards.

i was never against the addition of Retro, N/R, Structure Deck, etc...

They can and should add "Classic" and a Structure Deck format. But they should also add a Limited format with a rotating list of cards that highlights the new cards, and the top meta decks don't get to be full power since the older power cards that enable them to be insane are not legal.

I'd be interesting to see as well, how decklists differ for a lot of decks are changed from the paper format when they're forced to run a more limited list of cards. Gone is the extra deck toolbox or merging of archetypes that shouldn't happen. You can't abuse cards like Spright Elf for example or boss monsters like Baronne or Apollousa, without punishing players who like those cards since they still ahve a format where they are playable.

The new decks would be forced to be played more pure rather than shoving 50 different engines. Or they'd have to experiment with new engines. And the overall lower power for the fomat DOES allow for the weaker archetypes such as the ones we mentioned or even the ones that had potential but were never truly meta like the upcoming Nekros to actually ahve a lot more staying power AND have the capacity to be meta for a much longer time.

The hope would also be that through this experimentation, if Konami sees it as a successful way of segwaying players into the game, and actually balancing the game, they might actually start designing archetypes FOR this format, rather than constantly power creeping the hame into oblivioun.

It's a good way to safely test IF something like this could ever work in Yugioh by actually being able to test things out and experiment to strike the right balance.

>people complaining about QUAZAR in blue eyes
Holy fuck at least complain about the bullshit summoned off crimson dragon. Even then it is a non issue since crimson dragon is "win more"

>>532007143
His argument to this is that it's too difficult for Konami to make use of all their data to actually manage their own banlist.

>>532007738
If Konami cared about bans they would hire a full time statisticsfag to go over master duel data to submit ban requests

>>532007187
>and the top meta decks don't get to be full power since the older power cards that enable them to be insane are not legal.
Ryzeal requires 0 old cards to be the best deck in the format

>>532007143
>In reality you could fix 90% of this game with like 10 bans.
Konami doesn't care about fixing this game. Maxx C and Apollousa still being legal are proof of this.

>>532007738
It's too difficult for Konami to manage second banlist
But it's apparently not too difficult for Konami to manage second banlist for Rotation format

>>532008018
That's just unnecessary, the simplest answer to this is that Konami is retarded (breaking news) not that it's fucking rocket science.

>>532008179
King of the Feral Imps.

>>532008383
that's for mitsurugi ryzeal

>>532008517
Which is the best deck.

>>532008619
for the format after the format where it is the best deck

>>532007187
>top meta decks don't get to be full power since the older power cards that enable them to be insane are not legal.
>Gone is the extra deck toolbox or merging of archetypes that shouldn't happen.
>The new decks would be forced to be played more pure rather than shoving 50 different engines.
Anon what decks specifically are you talking about here? ALL of the meta decks from now onwards are played exclusively in-archetype, or merge brand new archetypes that would both be in rotation (Ryzeal+Misturugi or K9+VS for example).

I'm gonna be honest all of this reads like a meta analysis from someone who fundamentally does not play or understand the game.

And you're still hung up on this idea of it being a lower power format when you've had it pointed out dozens of times now that the meta of the format you're asking for would be IDENTICAL to modern constructed.

>>532007187
>You can't abuse cards like Spright Elf for example or boss monsters like Baronne or Apollousa
two of those cards are already banned in OCG and if you think Baronne is a problem card you're delusional

>see a deck that has monsters I really fuck with
>it's probably awful
>still tempted to build it anyway
okay, but how MUCH of a mistake is Shinobird and Lyrilusc anyway cause if it's not a huge one I might do it regardless

>>532009435
I think it's everyone else here who doesn't see the bigger picture, and doesn't get it.

What do you think Konami is doing by making decks that " are played exclusively in-archetype, or merge brand new archetypes" but create a soft pseudo rotation for the game that keep things limited to only the new stuff.

This new brand of power creep only started to happen like this in the most recent sets too as a way to lower the pool of avaliable cards through raw power creep. Konami is effectively trying to reach the same goal through different means. I'm saying, MD has always been the perfect plaform to experiment with rotation and this could have been implemented as far back as 3 years ago, when this style of design wasn't common, and we could have seen more interesting takes on how the meta shaped in a lower power format.

Now we are here where Konami's soft rotation is more evident.

There is still advantages to formally introducing this style of format even if the immediate advantages aren't obvious. We don't know how long this style of design will last, but setting it up is at least better than constantly playing whack-a-mole with cards.

>>531984420
>Maliss has a playrate of 44%
>the overall winrate is really low
Higher playrate will always lower the winrate of a good deck. A deck with 100% playrate will have a 50% winrate. The important stat is its winrate vs other decks.

>>532004381
>drillbeam+floodgate+monster negate+2 pops+protection
this shit kinda funny

>>532010467
Do mirror matches get counted toward the overall win rate percentage as well?

>>532010467
explain blue eyes. AKA the most popular deck
>i-its easy to play!
cope

>>532010780
Yes.
>>532010791
It's not the most played deck by a long shot.

>guy turtles my sphere
thanks retard

>>532010041
to take your idea seriously you'd have to assume konami is competent which is fine, but if we're going to do that then why can't they just be competent with the systems they already have in place to prevent shit formats

>>532011116
>you'd have to assume konami is competent which is fine
Well yeah, but that was never part of the equation.

Some other guy began with "the should add x formats" one of them being rotation. And then someone else asked what that was, and I posed a hypothetical for how it COULD work in MD, based on Duel Masters. No doubt Konami would find a way to completely fuck this up with their greed. That's a given.

>>532011065
cope

>>532010041
I've read back this whole thread and I still don't actaully understand what exactly the issue is with modern constructed that you think you're trying to fix
You clearly don't have an issue with the power level of modern decks because you want to create a 2nd format with an identical meta.
And it's not the ineffectiveness of rogue decks because you don't want those rogue decks to even be allowed in your format.
And it's not the issue of powerful generics because you complained when Konami already fixed that issue.
So is your issue simply the quantity of legal cards? That's the only tangible difference I can see between the two formats you propose.

>>532011065
blue eyes was by far the most popular deck for like 3 months and was consistently 55%+ minimum. Maliss is just a mediocre deck with a higher required skill requirement

>>532010467
Yes, but there's a threshold.

Plus at 33% of the overall meta, it means that Mirror matches are less common than you're making it out to be. A top deck would still be the no.1 deck even with a 50% or higher play rate, as we saw with Tearlaments.

>>532011592
>with a higher required skill requirement
im sleepy ignore the shit grammar

>>532011319
again yes that's all fine and cool, it's just pointless because the entire thing hinges on a pretense that if true would have prevented the entire need for the discussion

>Magic/Hearthstone nigger has been spamming walls of texts for hours now
Holy shit shut the fuck up already. Rotations are fucking gay and retarded and nobody likes them. It'll never be in Yugioh. It should never be in yugioh. It doesn't belong in yugioh. This thread looks like shit because of you. Fuck off and kill yourself already.

>>532011570
I think it's because you think I'm trying to "fix" anything.

I've literally said that the current format would stay in the game, basically managed identically as it is now. Which should tell you: I'm not TRYING to fix anything.

I'm TRYING to introduce more play options into the game. Among the other two suggestions that the other guy brought up was Strucure Deck format and Classic Format. Both of which I also agree with, and neither is trying to "fix" anything either.

It's just adding more permanent formats into the game that introduce more variety.

Now the benefit of a rotating format is that's a lower power format. And though Yugioh uses power creep to rotate the game, it would STILL be lower power, even it's relatively less compared to how other games manage it.

Like, the intended difference between them is that it would try to force players to play archetypes more pure for the meta decks, by limiting the list of available cards. Throughout MD's history, EVERY single meta archetype often used cards which wouldn't be legal in a yearly rotation. This, combined with the pool of legal staples cards also being different, with the expressed purpose of making a lower power format using a more agressive banlist as well.

Means a few things:
This is an easier way for newer players to get into the game, especially with newer cards. The treadmill could then be Structure Deck Format, into Limited Format, in the full power Master Rule format. You're not allowed to play full power Maliss in Limited for example, you're only allowed to play Baby Maliss. Would it still be the best deck? Probably? But the lists would be different, the games would be different, and the meta would be different. Small changes can have big differences.
cont...

>>532012596

Second, it means that if "problem cards are banned" then they still have a format where they can be legal. You're allowed the power ceiling of Master Rule format to higher, but also be more balanced as you no longer need to use the banlist to push product here. You already have a format specfiically for shlling.

>but it wouldn't work out that way!!
It WOULD, the intention would be TO CUREATE the list of cards for a more balanced format that lets the weaker newer decks have a better time to shine relative to the power for the stronger newer deck. You use the limited card pool AND a ban list to cureate a lower power format for ALL the new decks. That's the expressed design of it.

So now you give players the best of both worlds.

>>532011813
I'm not the one who asked how rotations worked. That's what kickstarted ths entire discussion. And somehow that seems to have triggered many people. As always.

>>532010467
Yes but the impact is negligible at 33%. Hell, even at 50%. Maliss would need to have a 100% playrate to have an exact 50% winrate. The fact that it's already at around 50% winrate despite only being 33% of the meta tells you the deck is very weak.

>>532012596
>I'm TRYING to introduce more play options into the game. Among the other two suggestions that the other guy brought up was Strucure Deck format and Classic Format. Both of which I also agree with, and neither is trying to "fix" anything either.
But they are trying to fix problems. Mainly the complexity of the modern game and to take the burden of deckbuilding off of new players.

>Now the benefit of a rotating format is that's a lower power format.
How many more times do you have to have it explained to you that banning low power decks and leaving high power decks legal is the opposite of a lower powered format? It's a format where playing meta goes from preferred to MANDATORY.

This seems to be the crux of the issue that you are absolutely insistent that Ryzeal format and Ryzeal format are different power levels and no matter how many times you have it pointed out to you that they're the same you completely ignore this massive glaring hole in your entire argument.

And you still haven't explained why ANY of this requires the complete and total purge of untiered decks from the entire format.

>>532012485
this. All the best formats are expanded. Let me play with all cards and just ban the retarded shit

>>532013595
No, instead of banning the retarded shit they should ban your Nemurelia deck.

>>532013595
sorry I banned ninjas instead thank you for playing master duel

>>532013579
Honestly, I've grown tired of repeating myself. Idk if you're just trolling at this point, or if you're just retarded. I've explained myself over a dozen times now, and you keep asking the exact same question. Idk what you're trying win here. Just play Duel Masters and figure it out yourself. Or don't. I honestly don't give a shit.

>have my Maliss deck ready
>only got a glossy Ransom
>have 3k gems left
>want to aim for a royal
I know its fucking retarded but the temptation is real since I'll use this deck for at least a year...

can these rotation faggots just fuck off already. it's not ever gong to be implemented in this game, please fuck off back to the mtg general or whatever shithole you crawled out of

>>532014148
>Honestly, I've grown tired of repeating myself.
I'm tired of it too. I'm tired of you repeating the phrase "low powered format" over and over again as though its a magic spell to make all criticisms go away.
Because the format wouldn't be lower powered. And you've yet to address this in any of your text walls.

>>532012596
See >>532012485
Fuck off and take your gay walls of text with you. Nobody gives a shit that you want set rotations in yugioh.

>>532014148
answering the questions makes people stop asking them

>>532014364
You're not tired of if. I'm 99% sure that >>532013996
>>532013860
>>532013579
These and many others like this are all you. This was never a discussion you wanted to have in good faith. You just wanted to get the last word in. I regret wasting my time seriously entertaining you.

>>532014656
>unironically trying to pull samefag this late in
god forbid more than one person all think your arguments are flawed and obnoxious

>>532014656
>im sure the yugioh general would respond in good faith against the argument against rotations and ignore yugioh players absolutely hating the idea of rotations
fuck OFF you retarded nigger

>>532014353
>it's not ever gong to be implemented in this game
This is true. Japanese companies are deathly afraid of doing rotations since Japanese playerbases have shown that they're willing to ditch popular games over them. This is probably the whole reason for the existence of Speed Duels and Rush Duels.
>>532014656
>there's only one person who dislikes rotation
lmaoing@u

>>532014656
>This was never a discussion you wanted to have in good faith
Dude I'm not the one repeatedly lying about "low power formats" that are just back to back Ryzeal mirrors

>>532014853
>>532014856
>>532014860
>>532014861
>4 posts in 4 seconds
lel IMB4 he claims we are all the same person using multiple IPs/bots

I've played games with rotation, it is a horrible experience for any casual adult
most of them have an unlimited format so that you can play with your older cards, and it doesn't help
the purpose of rotation is to control the power level of the game, which inevitably means that unlimited format players become the equivalent of second class citizens to whoever makes the game
lets assume that rotation is added to yugioh
if konami wants to be cheeky and have a high power format for a rotation? suddenly unlimited gets flooded with cards way better than anything currently out and it will never go away
if konami wants a low to mid power rotation? complete dogshit in unlimited format that will never be used
for rotation to work, cards need to be designed around it or else it is pointless
which means unlimited players will never be taken into consideration
and don't forget that the entire concept of rotation can be summed up with, "after your cards rotate out you will never get to use them in the primary format ever again"
which is extremely scummy
the only defense rotationtards ever have for this is, "lol, just play with friends" as if any adult is going to go anywhere besides the LGS or a video game to play these games, both of which require that you follow the rotation system if the game has it
I happen to like the cards I buy and would like to use them
the moment yugioh adds rotation is the moment I quit

>>532012763
>It WOULD, the intention would be TO CUREATE the list of cards for a more balanced format that lets the weaker newer decks have a better time to shine relative to the power for the stronger newer deck
I still don't see why we can't achieve this with just banlist
The only thing that Rotation benefits from is the limited cardpool, but we can do better with just using Structure Deck format
Or heck, if we're talking about our dream format, might as well go Drafting

>>532015038
>The only thing that Rotation benefits from is the limited cardpool
dont forget the fact that konami can make your cardboard expire and force you to buy more!

I can't even tell who's who in this retarded conversation anymore. I just see massive text walls and my eyes glaze over.
Imagine if trannitors did their jobs, cleaned up this thread and post-blocked these two retards.

>>532015314
one guy is shilling duel masters and everyone else is calling him retarded

>>532015314
>yugioh player hates reading
classic

>>532015013
The dream scenario is that they added Rotation format just for a fun mini format just like Edison
But I can see why you'd think that they will then slowly transition into making it the primary format regardless
Is there even any TCG that tried to do this though? All that uses Rotation seems to have been designed around that fact from the very start.

>>532015013
Yeah. I don't get why rotationfags hone in on rotation as the one true answer to all problems in all card games. If they wanted to make a lower power format in Yugioh they could just do that. There's no need to ban Morphing Jar. They already have a means for making cards not be playable. The banlist. They could just make a second format with a harsher banlist that bans anything that's seen serious competitive play in the main format in the past few months. Maybe they'd have to like delay new card releases in that format by a month to see which new cards end up too strong, but whatever.
You can't even really make the "but they just care about money" argument, because if suddenly there's a new format that people like where Mimighoul is the top tier deck, then people will want to buy those cards instead of them just being packfiller to 90% of players.

>>532015650
Because it's a proven concept. Every card game currently dominating the industry has rotation and a healthy meta, meanwhile Yu-Gi-Oh is drowning in power creep.

>>532015848
>Every card game currently dominating the industry has rotation and a healthy meta
if you ignore yugioh and the fact commander is bigger than "normal" magic sure

>>532015848
>Every card game currently dominating the industry has rotation and a healthy meta

>>532014861
Maybe we wouldn't need to design decks like Ryzeal if we had rotation.

>>532015848
>Yu-Gi-Oh is drowning in power creep.
as long as you ignore tearlaments which is still stronger than anything that came after it

>>532015932
>>532016025

>>532015584
none, because of consumer cost, the closest you could get is keyforged, because unique decks because then you have a true rotation, with each set having only specific houses being playable during releases, and new cards rotating in and out of the pool

>>532015013
apparently this duel masters thing managed to tightrope the balancing act and have two actively successful format that is both interesting in its own way
i mean, it's not like we never have any dud sets, you can just think of the sets that designed around one sets as dud sets in the other

so in theory, if the stars aligned, we might have even ended with two good formats instead
but that's just a theory
A GAME THEORY

>>532015848
in yugioh it's less power creep and more handtrap creep. maliss wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as it is if konami didn't arbitrarily decide to make the engine go over droll, ash etc

>>532016259
this is only for japan retard

>>532016374
hey, droll still stops them from drawing an extra 3 cards for free

>>532016259
Wow, I didn't know Rush Duel was doing that well.

>>532005426
This is right and its why rotation is completely backwards

The only real solution would be Pokemon-style (the video games not the TCG) usage tiers where all the untiered decks in the main format each get dropped down into a new format suited to their power level until you get to the very bottom.

The thing is Smogon isn't an official Gamefreak format, it's a massive fan-made project. There's nothing stopping us doing the same except a complete lack of community interest. The only thing Yugioh players hate more than the current modern metagame is playing literally anything else.

>>532016435
Which has a more robust and more competitive market you moron.

>>532016259
>in terms of sales
>sales

>>532016609
What do you think "dominating the industry" means, you dumb nigger?

>>532016582
more popular
*in japan
**btw most of these card games fucking suck ass
excellent own retard

>>532016517
>The only thing Yugioh players hate more than the current modern metagame is playing literally anything else.
reminds me of all the people coming in to talk about how GOAT or Edison are peak YGO but then when told to just go play that they'll say it's a solved game and there's no point to playing it, I swear to god I see at least one of those per week

>>532016728
NIGGER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PLAYING
PLAYING
NOT SALES
PLAYING
ROTATIONS SUCK ASS FOR PLAYING

SALES
ARE
IRRELEVANT

holy SHIT why are rotationfags so retarded. The most popular PLAYED format outside of fucking pokemon are mostly non rotation

>>532016747
It's not very different in the west lmao.

>>532016924
if anything rotation inflate sales because you have to be constantly buying new cards

>>532016924
What do you think "dominating the industry" means, you dumb nigger?

Who do you think plays card games, you moron? If a game is selling poorly, it means it has less players interested in playing it. If a game sells better it means it has more people interested in playing it.

Just how fucking stupid are you?

>>532016787
b-b-but i like the N/R format...

>>532017193
the VAST majority of half of those buyers are almost exclusively collectors you dumb faggot

>>532017158
The first rotation is literally what caused the end of Pokemania in Japan.

>>532017197
I do too, it's the only time I can play Megalith and not feel like I'm throwing, but the last time they let us play that it was loaners only so I think that dream is dead

>>532017158
The cope, LMAO.

You were never a troll. You actually just are a fucking retard. Holy shit.

how is he still going

>>532017193
>If a game sells better it means it has more people interested in playing it.
Anon irl card game sales are driven almost exclusively by speculators, investors and scalpers

>>532017334
>but the last time they let us play that it was loaners only so I think that dream is dead
no?
i remember facing a lot of that N/R lab with my T.G. deck

>rotaionfags are dishonest salesfags
I am noticing...

>people are still replying to this /mtg/ refugee
What compelled you to come to our general and start babbling about rotations? What has compelled you to continue doing so for the past few hours now?

>>532017390
hes a hearthstone/magicfag
they are all extremely mentally ill

>>532017479
the last one we had was at the end of April and was loaners only? did you block that out of your memory, cause I wouldn't blame you for it

>>532017409
Not in Japan.

>>532017747
you really don't think japan the collectors capital of the world isn't almost entirely driven by collectionfags? Yeah sure I am sure there are tens of thousands of Lorcan trading card players every tourney

>>532017747
Do you think those cards are worth pennies in Japan but the moment they leave the border they're now worth thousands?

>>532017941
>Yeah sure I am sure there are tens of thousands of Lorcan trading card players every tourney
You could look it up.
Because there are.

It's so fucking ridiculous to pretend that the force that drive sales in other games don't apply to Yu-Gi-Oh for some reason. Lmao. It's absolute ignorance and copium.

You wanna measure gameplay appeal only, then you have the app store and Steam rankings, where Master Duel isn't even top 30 regardless of the region. What now?

>>532018229
feel free to correct me but lorcan isn't on that list. Just disney solitaire.

>>532018229
>Argumentum ad populum
magicfags everyone

>>532017697
no, i'm 100% sure it's not loaner only
i even posted my combo here >>522756032 and there's no T.G. loaner
and that was against spider turbo and it's not a loaner
i think you're confusing it in that it's just tryout duel, not a ladder, but a LOT of people doesn't even use the loaner because N/R is just so cheap to craft

>>532018575
mask off moment when he went full salesfag

>>532018229
>I'm POOSTING it again!
Yeah man, now we have no choice but to want rotation.

>>532018410
Because Lorcana doesn't have an app, idiot.

Also, idk why you're even bringing that game up when it not doing better than Yu-Gi-Oh in Japan anyway. At least not yet.

>>532018229
>solitaire
>solitaire
>solitaire
>SOLITAIRE
What the shit is this? Why are there 30 different apps for fucking Solitaire???

>>532018998
>Because Lorcana doesn't have an app, idiot.
so why bother trying to salesfag on the appstore RETARD. You RETARDED NIGGER GORILLA

>>532018229
QRD on Shadowverse?

>>532018229
>hes a chartsposter
lol. perish.

>>532018937
>>532018575
>>532018745
You were the ones that argued that rotation is bad, and is bad for sales. Yet every game doing better than Yu-Gi-Oh has rotation. Be it in Digital or Physical. Here's USA app store. MD down at 27th
The game is drowning in power creep, meanwhile rotation has proven to be an effective way to curb power creep and maintain a healthy meta which results in better sales. You have NO counterargument.

Just copium.

>>532018229
>all that solitaire
where's rotation in solitaire?

>>532018229
I don't know shit about shadowverse. Isn't unlimited way bigger than rotation? TCG pocket also doesn't currently have a rotation. If true this would be a massive point that rotations are unpopular with people who actually play games wince magic is after 27 solitaire clones

>>532019304
Disney Solitaire got Rotation?

>>532019080
Because it's tracking ALL cards ganes, not just TCGs.

>>532019124
You're the one who fixated on Lorcana for some reason when Pokemon, Duel Masters, and One Piece were the clear focus.

>>532019304
>Candy Crush Solitaire
smartphones were a mistake

>>532019304
>top game doesn't have a rotation
cope and seethe homo
>>532019454
pocket doesn't even have a rotation. He is in full on cope mode trying to salesfag

>>532017941
to be fair, its much easier for the ocg to get their hands on stuff with multiple rarities of the same card and no short prints

>>532019572
>>532019354
The actual TCG has rotation. And you can see its performance right here >>532016259


Stop moving goalposts.

>>532019502
>Pokemon
collectorsfags and attached to the biggest IP of all time
>duel masters
admittedly I know nothing about it
>One piss
attached to the second biggest IP in japan and most people buying cards are just collectors
no shit 2/3 are doing better than yugioh

if you want to prove they are more popular post tourney attendance.

>>532019564
Sorry man, we have no choice but to ban Kozmo because of Candy Crush Solitaire.

>>532019756
Juan piss rotation fucked over everyone because it was literal rugpull.

>>532019740
>The actual TCG has rotation
and pocket doesnt. Stop moving the goalpost. TCG live has a rotation and is WAY down on the list

>>532019304
>You have NO counterargument.
>Spends the last ~7 hours trying to convince everyone in the thread that it's necessary for the game to survive with the same 2 points
>Ignores every question to keep copypasting "MUH LOW POWERED FORMAT"
>Tries to end it all by posting sales numbers like it proves literally anything here
>>>You have NO counterargument.

>>532019756
This is pure copium, and you know it. Yu-Gi-Oh was no.1 two years ago in Japan and fell of hard because competitive got better and people got fed up with the power creep.

Pokemon started rotates into the hew Scarlet Violet Era.

Duel Master rotated into the new Win era.

And One Piece took the scene by storm as a fresh newcomer.

Meanwhile Yu-Gi-Oh is impenetrable to new players. The power creep is too high.

>>532020061
What's your take on Monster Collection?

>he's STILL going
>>531987829
>for SIX (6) hours now
Congrats on letting some MTG faggot hijack and shit up this thread. You let this happen, /mdg/. You could stop replying to him anytime you want, but you won't.

>>532020061
how is power creep affect new players if new players are only buying new product, power creep only affects old fags, those points dont add up

>>532020206
You mean how it poorly managed player expectations for its shift into rotation and died? Yeah, I watched the same video you're referencing. It was also the biggest inspiration behind Yu-Gi-Oh for Takahashi as he was an avid fan.

>>532020380
>if new players are only buying new product,
This is false

>>532020417
>You mean how it poorly managed player expectations for its shift into rotation and died
OK cool, so now after 25 years of zero rotation, surely it's what every Yugioh player just doesn't realize they want.

>>532020061
I wonder what happened in YGO two years ago

>>532020061
>Meanwhile Yu-Gi-Oh is impenetrable to new players. The power creep is too high.
This doesn't even make sense. I swear you faggots don't know what power creep even means

I hate that retarded shit like unchained and memento so fucking much

>>532020061
>Yugioh
>Ever beating Pokemon
Lol

>>532019564
based on the quality of this thread, I'm inclined to agree

>>532020662
What the FUCK does that have to do with rotations??? Stay on-topic, anon.

>>532020585
It's about how it's handled and presented.

You got any better ideas to revive a game that's lost its crown, is bleeding players, and is unable to attract new ones?

Having a rotating format in Master Duel wouldn't hurt the paper formats at all, and it's a good way to ease players into the possibility that it might eventually happen in paper, by balancing how you manage it.

Kicking the can further down the road until there is zero design space left is not a solution to the issue at hand here.

>>532020061
Power creep isn't the problem power level is the problem
>INB4 rotations would totally solve this bro
The best decks would be at 95% power level

>>532020951
If we had rotation the problem deck of unchained would be permabanned by now anon keep up

>>532020572
okay, and? you want to finish that thought

>>532020663
Do you want the list from two years ago?

>>532021061
>The best decks would be at 95% power level
Because they're designed to forcibly rotate the format by making older decks irrelevant.

It's so fucking stupid every time Yu-Gi-Oh players argue against rotationsl, they always fail to acknowledge that Konami ALREADY has rotation, in the first way possible.

Doing it transparently would fix way more issues with the game.

>>532020951
I want to rotate diabellstar if you catch my drift

>>532021015
>You got any better ideas to revive a game that's lost its crown
I don't particularly care that the One Piece TCG has found popularity. As was already mentioned, I would much rather an alternate format just have a stricter banlist.
Also stop redditspacing if you're going to take up space here as an mtg refugee.

>>532021313
No I don't care about your outliers for sales fagging. No one here cares. They care about playing the damn game

>>532021313
>Doing it transparently would fix way more issues with the game.
like getting problem cards like Swords of Revealing Light out of the format finally

>>532021015
>Kicking the can further down the road until there is zero design space left is not a solution to the issue at hand here.
I much prefer a game that actually goes and tries to tread and uncover the potential within that design space rather than a boring one that literally do the exact same thing every so rotation, thank you very much

>>532021736
Finally. Man eater bug will be banned!

>>532021472
>alternate format just have a stricter banlist.
But that's the exact same solution I'm giving you, just reaching the logical end point it would reach. You don't play whack-a-mole with cards. Just have a smaller card pool thats easier to balance rather than arbitrarily keeping 10000+cards in the format, but only 2% of those cards are actually playable and having to account for impossible to foresee interactions between game pieces that inevitably cause problems.

Experiment with the possibility of a rotating format by managing your banners the store in a way that also winds up being way more consumer friendly as you keep them up for a year, and you use those to have a rotating limited format.

>>532021313
>It's so fucking stupid every time Yu-Gi-Oh players argue against rotationsl, they always fail to acknowledge that Konami ALREADY has rotation, in the first way possible.
And thus there's no need to implement your idea of rotation.
Simple isn't it?
>Doing it transparently would fix way more issues with the game.
What issue? They already have rotation.

>>532021916
>we can't have a format that bans meta decks.... UNLESS YOU ALSO BAN DARK MAGICIAN!
holy retard

What rotationfags fail to understand is yugioh plays like the crazy high power level. I am looking forward to seeing the crazy shit Konami will print.
If you don't like it play friendlies with an understood power level or play something else

I'm going back to /v/. This general went to shit

>>532021710
And a lot less people care about playing the game due to power creep.

>>532021943
Power creep is the issue.


>>532021741
What new ground? Cards already have three effects and fulfil every role a deck needs. It won't be long till cards have 4+ effects and duels are over on turn 0.

>>532021916
>arbitrarily
Yugioh has regularly had periods that have undergone total rediscovery when some crazy jerk off decided to put some cars in a deck that did something hyper specific that buttfucked the meta. That's half the fun

>>532021916
>Just have a smaller card pool thats easier to balance rather than arbitrarily keeping 10000+cards in the format, but only 2% of those cards are actually playable and having to account for impossible to foresee interactions between game pieces that inevitably cause problems.
You're talking about Konami here.
They still won't be able to balance the meta even if there's only 100 cards in the format.

>>532022165
>It won't be long till cards have 4+ effects and duels are over on turn 0.
we did that already, it was called tear

>>532022165
>What new ground? Cards already have three effects and fulfil every role a deck needs. It won't be long till cards have 4+ effects and duels are over on turn 0.
Unplayer

>>532022165
And I don't care about other people. Konami is still selling boat loads of cards they aren't in risk of going insolvent

>>532022215
Yeah, and that has never happened in any other TCG ever, it's only exclusive to Yu-Gi-Oh -- Oh wait....

>>532022165
>Power creep is the issue.
It's Konami we're talking about
Power creep will still happen regardless

>>532022743
how do you pull that off if the cards already rotated out

Small question for my GOONER brother.

I'm making a list of all COMPETITIVE (in MD) deck that are FEMALE centered. I'll build them slowly but I need to figure out if I'm missing something since I'm kinda new in ygo.

>Maliss
>Labrynth
>White forest
>Sky Striker

And we have that are coming :
>Dracotail
>K9
>Dragonmaid

Anything else ? thanks !

>>531817258 (OP)
>bitch ash can negate my summoning argostar trap
fucking fuck right off

>>532022869
does magician girls counts

>>532022743
>See 15 year old card that would be great for edge case
>Put it in your deck
>Banned
What did he mean by this?

>>532022965
its rogue at best, no ?

>>532022867
You cross your fingers and pray that Konami makes the hard decisions for you and just happens to decide to print a brand new card called Artifact Schmancea right before Maliss releases then pat yourself on the back for making such a smart meta call to include it in your deck.

>>532022869
>Coming
>Dragon maid
??? How far out and what are they getting?

>>532022869
>>532022912
>>532022965
We are talking about rotation in yugioh. Please stay on topic

>>532022869
Centur-ion should counts

>>532022065
Another thing they fail to understand is that people are attached to their favorite archetype and don't want to see it permabanned for no reason.
Like a huge part of Yugiohs appeal (most likely stemming from the anime) is the idea that your favorite deck is an extension of your personality.

It's fine in Pokemon because there's a finite number of characters they have to work with and your favorite Pokemon will always be reprinted in some form.
If your favorite deck isn't Branded, Sky Strikers or HEROs, once they're rotated out you will never be allowed to play them again

>>532022869
If current Sky Strikers are good enough to make your list then there's a lot more that could go on it like Tear, Centurion, Voiceless, Argostars, etc.

>>532023207
Lady's Dragonmaid. A new support that make the deck pretty strong. I guess this year ? At worse in the next 8 months.

>>532023265
You're kinda right.

>>532023207
2 new cards that are very good
I'd guess next month they're already long overdue

>>532022869
Lunalight is getting updates that make it very competitive and that's all girls, pretty damn DA Furry tier though so your mileage may vary

>>532023207
Chamber is getting a dragon form and Lattice lets you turbo out your fusions off of one card, it's really good

>>532023157
Rogue decks are decks that are/potentially are competitive with the meta but not part of the meta. Dark Magician is nowhere near that. And the actual Magician Girls are nowhere near Dark Magician's strength.

>>532022869
Live Twin exist
I guess

>>532023486
>At worse in the next 8 months.
This is how long the average card takes to release in MD after it releases in the OCG. Dragonmaid support is due to release any day now.

>>532023486
>Lady's Dragonmaid
>Check out the set
>Finally getting big chamber
I can change my name finally

>>532023753
Fiendsmith engine, even with the new support

>>532023440
Nah only reason I've put SS is for their new support, its far away but still. Gems take time to stock up.

>>532023576
>Lunalight
Will have to take a look, dont know about it.

>>532023753
Same here, how good is it ? I heard their main monster were pretty meh.

>>532023030
>>532022867
Yeah, if only there was a way this could be done. Like, maybe having multiple formats? Surely this has never been tried before, nope. Such a thing is impossible.

How on earth do I make this and he related cards work? It just feels like they typed shit on the card just to justify print a cool image

>>532023348
But things only get permabanned in current Yu-Gi-Oh. With multiple formats, there will always be another format where the cards you like are legal.

Meanwhile, if you wanna play full power Tearlaments, you can go get fucked, because we only have one format and it exists to shill new product.

>>532024056
>target Maxx C in their GY
>put it on the field
>take an actually important monster and banish it
it's really not that hard

>>532024171
>Meanwhile, if you wanna play full power Tearlaments, you can go get fucked,
Hey unplayer. Full powered tourneys exist. Master duel even has a "no banlists" option for private duels

>>532023882
someone actually bring black lotus to mtg tourney recently???

>>532024171
>But things only get permabanned in current Yu-Gi-Oh.
Maybe if you're a TCGfag
OCG/MD go out of their way to make sure no deck is rendered unplayable

>>532024056
>revive link decoder
>banish apollo
>shuffle back red ransom
good enough

>>532023874
Pure Live Twins are too shitty for the modern game. When Abao Aku gets added they'll be upgraded to just pretty shitty but vaguely playable if you squint really hard. Mixed with Spright they're OK. Mixed with Fiendsmith they're pretty good. When their 2 new cards get added then they'll be actually good with Fiendsmith.
The Live/Evil Twin cards are good, the problem is that they just don't have enough interruptions if played fully pure. But they're good for getting to other archetypes like Spright and Fiendsmith, while still being able to setup all the evil twin stuff a pure deck would at the same time.

>>532024056
What do you mean? They're just regular traps, there's nothing special to be done with them aside from maybe putting them in a deck with trap synergy. Overroot is the only actually good one but right now basic spot removal isn't that good.

are Flip decks unplayable? I've seen a lot of the recent Flip support like Sunset and the Wake Cup stuff and it makes me have bad thoughts like trying to make a Prediction Princess deck

>>532026516
The next deck build set seems to contain what looks like a FLIP Pendulum deck
It might be trash but the deck build sets have been insanely powerful lately so if there was ever gonna be a good one it will be this

thanks for watching me jerk myself off, malice tranny

>>532026648
I'm still not convinced on the Flip Pendulum deck but we'll have to see, it'd be hilarious if it actually turned out great cause it sounds awful

>>532026687
>not FTK

Brah

>>532026687
too bad you didn't fully extra link them thanks to that traitorous up arrow

>>532026752
The last 6 deck build archetypes have only had 1 dud among them (Ryu-Ge, which is still a solid upper-rogue deck) and Hecatoncheire looks thoroughly underwhelming so the chances are quite high that its at least playable