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>Previous thread>>532124321
you will never be a video game
>>532203041 (OP)Good thing I have over 20 years of programming experience.
>>532203041 (OP)Lately I've been thinking that videogames are stupid and dedicating my life to making them is retarded, it makes me feel second hand embarrassment as if we're all like this guy
This feeling comes mostly from the fact that gambleslop roguelikes are so prevalent and faggot streamers pushing them, it kinda shatters the idea that we're making art...
>>532202769The problem is that I can't anticipate what signals I may want to wait for, so I need to build something that can receive ANY arbitrary signal.
Even with a custom extension (which I did consider building, and may yet do), I would still have to do something similar to this nonsense.
what happened to the coom devs?
>>532203041 (OP)Changed the palette to blue. Already I feel happy that I can see the atmosphere comin to life even with just a few fuckin blocks for buildings and some cars. I'm gonna watch movies like Bullitt and The French Connection to get some more crisp references for downtown store fronts because I'd really like to get those details right. If there's too much visual noise from the detail on buildings, maybe the buildings themselves will be completely black with the faintest color outlines with definition only showing up where light is emitted from store fronts and around neon signage.
>>532203508>IS THAT INDEPENDENT GAME COOM? NO NO NO NO YOU MUST USE PORNHUB AND ONLYFANS TO COOM MY MASTERS DEMAND SO
Whos this Cris fellow I keep hearing about
>>532203732Cris is the anons we made along the way
I haven't cleaned out my onahole since last demo day
>>532203917Imagine owning an onahole
https://x.com/de5imulate/status/1945884014679572496
AI low-key won
>>532203917stop ban evading
>>532203965fr fr on god saar
>>532197318>an Alabama family tree. The solution is in your rebuttal. Just store the family tree as a tree structure on each npc and prevent breeding with any npc in the tree. If enough died this could result in no possible matches, but you could just implement a migration mechanic where sometimes a new npc just shows up in town and decides to live there.
https://x.com/Bp__Dev/status/1946742312073375801
>using timmy's engine to make a.........stickman game
slopdevs are devils
>>532203431Yeah, you can do it with any arbitrary signal. Just have your custom event accept a NodePath argument to that signal. It would also be helpful to wrap that signal as a Promise. There are a few different simple GDScript Promise wrappers. I use https://github.com/TheWalruzz/godot-promise
>>532203732>>532203803But srsly, I don't know. If someone would enlighten me.
>>532204496lurk moar newfag
>>532204496There's a little Cris in each and every one of us.
>>532203041 (OP)yes use AI to make more games faster
what you have no players? just feed me a steak, i can solve that dont worry.
see, jrpgs be like
>break into every house and rob them
but crpgs be like
>destroy every barrel in town and loot it
>>532204437Sounds like it's gonna introduce horrific bugs, godot threading and asynchronous tasks are patched together with duct tape
>>532204732So, Skyrim is a JRPG and Zelda is a CRPG.
>>532204732In FF, you just buy stuff or find them in dungeons. In DQ, you go to towns so that happens and the game even plays a joke about it where if you touch something, it'll curse you out of a useless item.
>>532204732>>break into every house and rob them>there is 5>>destroy every barrel in town and loot it>there is 5000and neither of them is good game design... can (You) figure out why?
>>532204941He looks like he watches sissy hypnosis
>>532205023Breaking barrels is good game design because the player doesn't know if he'll get anything or not, but he enjoys the rush to keep playing and finding more barrels even if it means defeating bosses and progressing the story. If you can't give your player incentives, your game isn't designed well.
>>532204791It can if you don't know what you're doing. GDScript's threading is the same as any other language's threading. Distributed and concurrent systems is a fairly advanced programming topic.
>>532205024a barrel will never ntr you
>>532205131>Breaking barrels is good game design because the player doesn't know if he'll get anything or not,ah yes the dopamine addict design principle... the pinnacle of game design.
>>532205176>GDScript's threading is the same as any other language's threading.Whatever you do, do NOT look at Godot's github issues.
What project are YOU working on?
>>532205346You're free to prove me wrong if you have a better principle about what the pinnacle is.
friendly reminder that godon't is abandonware
>>532205378Some of those are mine tho...
>PUA didn't work
>dressing better didn't work
>gym didn't work
>engineer salary didn't work
maybe making a game will work?
>>532205953Better incel than double divorced trust me...
>>532203041 (OP)>AI will make programmers more effective bro>Valve employees have confirmed that they are using AI already>Updates for their major games are slower and have less content than ever>Source 2 still has no public release - they promised it would release free for indie devs in 2015>Garry's team has spent most of the development time on S&box rewriting Source 2 because its a hot mess
>>532205424it's just kinda pathetic when dopamine gamedevs get entirely outcompeted by dopamine gambledevs and dopamine ideodevs and dopamine blogdevs and dopamine messagedevs and dopamine gymmembershipdevs and dopamine storedevs etc etc
they basically stole your gimmick and completely wiped you out with it, not even children are addicted to games anymore
A game where you have to choose between three barrels to smash.
>>532206092>not even children are addicted to games anymorethis is one sad truth nuke... kids are just scrolling youtube and tiktok nowadays, they don't want to play games...
>>532205953shoot for your dreams.
>>532206265why not both
you can play games and scroll
idle clicker game where you smash barrels for gold coins to upgrade your skill tree to infinitely scale bigger numbers
>>532206092>>532206265We got Gen Y going senile before GTA 6
>skullface>skullface>skullface
>>532206296Floyd was a funny guy and a coomdev(weg FMV maker), I think he would've been a valuable member of agdg, RIP.
>>532203550Looks cool, what kind of game will this be?
>>532206531fent zombies don't make video games
There isn't still a full video game made by AI. If AI could make a game it would have been done by now. There are absolutely no restrictions.
stop working within limits and playing it safe
>>532206582He could hallucinate some evangelion type lore.
>>532206124>>532206442Good ideas. Keep them coming.
>>532206620ai can't invent anything that isn't in its training data, therefore it can never make a video game that isn't just a bad clone of an existing game
>>532206620They have made games and it's pretty simple to set it up to do it.
They just aren't that high quality.
>um it can't invent anything new okay?!
>that's why it's able to hallucinate bullshit which is totally n-not original o-ok!?
>>532206745>AI can never make a video game that isn't just a bad clone of an existing gameCan you?
Games used to be built in inhouse engines so they started commercializing engines and releasing them to the public.
Programming was too hard so they started making drag and drop features.
How long until game engines have built in AI and all you have to do it insert prompts to render gameplay?
>>532207041>anon hasn't use unity or unreal in 2025
So are we, the gamedevs, just gonna take the payment processor shit like a bunch of bitches? Not even a petition just kneel? What the fuck man we're a bunch of FAGGOT PUSSIES like these furries getting cleaned up by paypal and still working for them
>>532207159No. Does it have ai?
>>532207197Gamedevs take Gaben's shit like a bunch of bitches so yeah I reckon they will
Isn't it interesting Valve hasn't released a proper full on game engine? You would think it would benefit them. An easy to use complete engine (without needing additional packs like tween systems etc.) and tools would mean more games to sell on Steam. They have all the resources in the world.
>>532207345Why would they do that? Getting 30% out of every transaction is insane they don't need to do anything
>>532206572It would be an arcade action platformer with point and click shooting. WASD to move, with a cursor on screen for your mouse to aim and left click to shoot. Here's the most recent sheet of his sprites. The flashing sprites would warn the player of a projectile or hazard about to hit them and from what direction it's coming from. In this stage where the player would take the streets, maybe flashing from above indicates a big neon sign's about to cave your head in. You would hide from enemies when necessary to look for the right spot to blow your cover and take everyone out, rescue hostages, and collect pieces of evidence for points.
>>532207345Valve is a pseudo retirement home for industry vets. Most of the real work they do is done by contractors. The guy who solved the TF2 bot crisis was a contractor for example. By all accounts source 2 is a mess and lacks real development tools.
>>532207345Making a game engine and releasing a game engine are two different things. Besides, Valve has their hands full making like three games right now.
>>532204941Never thought we'd be Star Ocean II posting on /agdg/
>>532207525Mario if he a detective
>>532207701>three gamesWhat are they?
Also that's what I'm saying. Why make new games, they already made a lot of them. Wasn't Gaben bitching like "hurr durr what's my motivation?". They have all the resources in the world, they can afford to release an engine. It would benefit them the most. Let people make lots of games so they can get more %30 cut from more games. Simple.
>>532207525Thatยดs actually interesting and I really liked the spritework. Hope to see more of your game in the future, anon
>anon thinks steam is about making money
>not about controlling the state of games by picking and choosing who gets the privilege to be considered a "real game" as everyone knows if you're aint on steam, you ain't a real game
>game has perfect legs
your game has great long legs, right?
i give up
im gonna study retro gamedev from 2010 that way i can make it early before the market is completely saturated in my next playthrough
Real games are games that gamers want to play.
i can't actually believe our main platform takes 30% of our income just for hosting the game
that's insane, this is the reason indie devs will never make mid sized studios, valve is so fucking evil bros...
30% is the difference between one or two fleets of yachts for a real dev. If 30% if the difference between homelessness or not for you, then you're NGMI.
>>532208371based regressor but just buy btc instead
I'm bored of shaders already.
>>532207754I get it, haha. But making him short will make it so more can fit on screen in terms of hazards and platforming. I was actually thinking more of Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle from The French Connection, a movie I really enjoyed.
>>532208129I'm glad you like the concept, it was inspired by the NES game Gumshoe. In that game you can't control your guy, it's way more difficult in that you have to shoot to make him jump to get him across large gaps while also timing the shots just right to avoid hazards and enemies, and your ammo isn't infinite so you have to keep getting balloons (from Gumshoe, not you shooting them).
The concept came from my love action movies and thrillers, too. I'd love to have these elaborate looking setpieces that make the player pause just to stare at the scenery. I knew it would be daunting, so for a while I walked away from it and focused on simpler concepts. But today helped to break up that anxiety a little bit. I CAN do something as complex as a city street, just need to plan it out and take my time. Here's some other concepts for stage 3.
>>532208940Yet you're not bored of ragebaiting with blogposts featuring tranime little girls to get human interactions, curious.
>>532209089tranime little girls are cute, shaders are not
I just lost playing my own game
Im yesdev now
I believe in capitalism and meritocracy, people who work hard and bring value(capital) should be the ones earning, not the jews who game the system and add no value (wall street, valve, google, apple, etc)
>>532208449there's remote play and online multiplayer services too that you can utilize
I'm gonna make my game look like a wc2 cinematic
>>532209274>publisher gave you $10 million upfrontPay yourself $2 million as a salary then, problem solved
>>532209445>I'm gonna make my game look like a wc2 cinematic
>>532208992Keep your good work anon, I love the noir detective flick aesthetic. One step at a time and youยดll get there
>>532209274How's that different from any other industry? When you dump $300 USD on a monitor, you don't think that Best Buy is making $300 USD profit, do you?
>>532210097It's different because it hurts the nodev /v/tard's feelings.
>>532209274Damn, this guy is good. He really knows how to try and fool new devs and scare off the competition. Any seasoned dev would know immediately it's all bullshit.
>>532209274>meritocracy existsMaximum jej
>>532210097commies have a hard time conceptualizing supply chains and costs that aren't immediately apparent beyond cash and product exchanging hands at the register
>>532203917why do people use onaholes when boku's butt exists?
>>532209274>I believe in capitalism>but all the people winning at capitalism well.. they're... jewish yeah that explains it
>>532210729loli makes me cringe
>>532210606adding no value and getting paid is not capitalism by definition, it has been corrupted by those (((parasites))) which is why inflation exists we have to make up for all the jews gaming the system
actual capitalism has no inflation since everything is properly valued
>>532210003bottom is unironically soul
it's not about the result but the vision
After polishing the gravity system, the player can now no longer fall off the map, but can instead orbit around platforms. And I think for now the gravity system is complete, it works on spheres/planetoids, cylinders, cones, twisted pipes/cylinders.... basically, with creativity I can make gravity fields for almost anything. I will keep showcasing all this stuff during the week.
Also, I already made most of the Ost for the game, the melodies are ready for all stages (which are 7, each based on one of the deadly sins), I just need to keep polishing the mixing/effects for the final build.
>>532203965Remember what Cris said, twitter popularity doesn't translate to wishlists (or game sales).
Going through this thread and all indie games look like total insipid garbage.
https://x.com/MirariRelics/status/1946229062126669842
>>532211442are you dungeonwatchers dev? this looks pretty neat especially the skybox. what exactly do you do in this game?
>>532211237i'm afraid your vision is impaired, anon
>>532211291>why does the flirting cartoon child wearing a bra made of bandages make you cringei hate that you exist
>>532210729everyone in the world has cute aggression now
including me
>>532211705you want her to be topless?
>>532211442A bit too floaty, increase the gravity and speed.
Guns take too much of the screen (but you already know that).
>>532211768thiel and that nig jew mutt will get Luigi'd soon, I can feel it
>>532207197Who's "we"? PayPal works just fine for me because I'm not some degenerate loser who needs to make bizarre porn to keep the lights on.
>>532211442unfortunately your payment process has been denied
>>532211967>muscular furry males with big prominent bulgesvisa aint gonna like this one...
>>532211967The freedom of those degenerate losers is also my freedom, let the market decide it's not up to jews to take our God given freedom. Disappointing take from you, I thought you were a real American not a commie.
>>532211212That is capitalism by definition
that's what every stockholder and ceo does, they produce the least labor value and get paid the most
it's why the higher your position, the less actually productive work you do like sitting in zoom meetings, writing spreadsheets, sending emails. instead of producing/processing/shipping/stocking the actual products of labor such as crops, food, raw minerals/materials, etc. (the ones who ought to own the product of their labor) it's been a pyramid scheme since its inception and it's just gotten better at what it does
There's too many normies in this thread
>>532209445Whenever I see metal rendered like that it reminds me of EQ2. And I mean that in the worse way possible, I hate that look.
Slowly figuring out a cheap workflow to make an AAA anime girl.
>>532212103Visa is my credit card of choice, so, uh, sucks to be you.
>>532212148Nice slippery slope fallacy. The world can do without "Japanese Salaryman Raping Little Girls: The Visual Novel".
>>532211620>are you dungeonwatchers dev?Yes
>what exactly do you do in this game?Kill demons to yours heart content, fast kills add to your combo, longer combos give more points. Get big scores and you unlock more weapons and stages, each stage based on a deadly sin, and each stage will be crazier then the one before.
>>532211954The gravity intensity will change depending of the maps and shapes on it, if it's not floaty you can not have fun with gravity, I want the player go around and orbit while saying weeeeeeee!!!
>>532212320cris and fygoon are here, thats like the complete opposite of normie
>>532213109wasnt zeekerss a furry
>>532212216Capitalism existed before the stock market, Jesus and Muhammad (both shepherds carpenter toe big J and also sailing merchant for big M) were capitalists that still enacted basic socialism in their rules. The stock market is a corruption of capitalism that adds gambling to a balanced system.
>>532211768anon, nobody has "cute aggression", they're just disgusted by your attempts to larp as an underaged girl
>>532212594Cool, I admire your yesdevving gumption.
>>532212320that's something cunny posters can fix by posting the cutest anime lolis
>>532213385>capitalism is when money existsThe worst part is that you're serious
>>532213415Fax. Glad someone else recognizes this.
>playing coomer games on steam
>"son why do you have 9000 hours played in loli raper vr?"
the payment processor situation will keep out everyone who does it for money and only those who do it out of love and passion will remain
>>532213807>ITS BECAUSE YOU GAVE ME TRANSCODED GENES DAD>*dad gasps, flabbergasted*next time in agdg family.....
>>532205953Have you tried Dr. Squatch soap?
>>532214239Use "git" instead.
>>532207197>>532207339>Steam to devs: we're a monopoly guys, if you don't use us you're basically fucked>Steam to devs: how are we supposed to stop payment processors from imposing their values in a blatant disregard for the first amendment? it's not like we're a monopoly! we can't do anything!imagine falling for the lies of penny pinchers
>>532206470i don't understand the banana
>>532214430Just do what the iBook Guy did and make people buy games from your own site.
Duh.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2238470/Grimshire/
place your bets, how many reviews
>>532209274>I believe in capitalism and meritocracythere's a word for people who believe in directly contradictory concepts
>>532214120I would kill myself
>>532214712>Apocalyptic furry Harvest MoonIt could be kino but will definitely be fumbled
>>532213385Stocks existed in a form before the beginning of modern capitalism and along its development but the stock market in its modern form isn't the only problem. In its very structure is the drive to produce profit off the smallest amount of wages/workers, labor the capitalist does not have to do themselves, to beat out competition for trade and sales by any means necessary. Unimpeded, monopolies form and even the government trying to nerf it can't stop the massive gap in wealth it creates.
In other words capitalism is a broken game with bad game design the devs can't even fix
I ate too much. Too lazy to dev
>>532214712200-400 week one. 1k within a year. Possibly 10k+ after EA.
>>532214239What is this from?
>>532215934stop ban evading
>>532216008don't update visual studio
https://x.com/Gamedev_461/status/1946433485406617825
>>532215456Oh, hey, my friend's dad had that(?) I think? I remember playing Duke Nukem on it for like 2 minutes. It was terrible. I would give anything to go back to that moment.
>>532180040>>don't want to fuck up my friend group dynamic by starting a group project with a pair of nodevsIt is just not worth it to risk it. Most people are wageslaves. Gamedev requires something different. They might make good code monkeys if you were to open a studio but even then I'd rather keep them as friends than make them into employees. It changes your relationship.
Most people will never be able to make a game solo or in a small team even if they have the skillset to do so.
Does anyone here use DeviantArt as a way to build up your name/visibility/brand?
Pre-AI I got a lot of traction off of there, but nowadays it's is absolutely flooded with AI crap.
I wish I got the ball rolling 5 years sooner because I used to follow plenty of accounts there who were able to convert their following into patreon support.
Does anyone know ways of boosting visibility on there (other than joining groups) and is there a way to bot my views to increase my posts' visibility? With how terrible the moderation there is I can't imagine they have anything to prevent bots.
>>532215934what did you have to eat
>>532205176>>532205378let me refresh your memory
>>532214239FUCKING KEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oc6MvS6Aug
coomdevs whats our response?
>>532216417>the skillset to do soDesign, management, and direction (aka "The Visionโข") are all trainable skills.
>>532207197furfaggots having their money stolen is based
Fygoon is the Maurice Samuel of /agdg/
>>532211442I like it. guns are taking up too much screen space, a critique you've heard for weeks, whats with that?
>>532207345Valve doesn't have growth targets because of investor meddling because it is not a public company. They don't particularly need to do anything. Money keeps rolling in and they maintain the service.
>>532212345EQ2 was a truly ugly game.
>>532216908>https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/101529>Steps to reproduce>Minimal reproduction project (MRP)>I do not know what to back up here... all crash statistics are taken from Google Play.>I'm a pretty bad programmer, but I'll try to do it!No one knows what's causing him to crash because it's a bug in his own code, not Godot's. It's not the Godot's maintainers' job to debug your terrible code for you.
>>532217557>EQ2 was a truly ugly game.
>>532217557>Valve doesn't have growth targets because of investor meddling because it is not a public company. They don't particularly need to do anything. Money keeps rolling in and they maintain the service.They already maxxed out on jewing without losing their userbase, not much more they can do. I mean they already steal 30%, invented lootboxes, keep currency exchange in their favor unlike online merchants, made people forget that physical games use to drop in price overtime with the epic gaben steam sales, made an algorithm based on retention instead of promoting good games which led to the gambleslop era, etc not much more room for jewing.
>>532215574>In other words capitalism is a broken game with bad game design the devs can't even fixsaying capitalism is broken is always a cope from the indoctrinated
it's working exactly as it was formulated by the victors of the English and French revolutions. it's the most successful social domination ever invented and shows zero signs of failing it's class.
>>532217728If a script can cause the underlying engine to crash, it's an engine bug.
>find cool game project
>go to the game's page
>they just cry about ICE raids and trump all day
>unironically bringing up the J6 """insurrection""" in 2025
>not even on the dev's personal account but the account for the fucking game
why the fuck are they always like this?
>>532217931yet some niggas in the middle east managed to use currency as exchange for goods since mesopotamian times without issues, curious
gnight bros
work hard and do your best
>blew my dev funds on lego sets
>>532217728>it's a bug in his own codethat miraculously appeared AFTER 4.3
>It's not the Godot's maintainers' job to debug your terrible code for you. Yeah stop looking at github chud, lets focus on banning people for their "negative engagement".
Cope harder
>>532216915nothing of value was lost
>Blew my poop fund on farts
>>532218691A billion different things changed between 3.5 and 4.3. No one expects to be able to cleanly upgrade an existing project from UE4 to 5 or Unity 2023 to 6. Why should it be different for Godot?
>>532218592stop ban evading
>>532219093>stop ban evading
today I like my game. it's not always the case.
the hopoo feather from hopoo's game,
theres a bird called the hopoo
>>532217557>Valve...They are making 3 more games they say.
chatgpt is so cute and funny, and so smart and expressive too
Drafted the terrain for another mission. Iโm very slow at this my levels suck ;_;
Thereโs two more missions to build after this for reaching the goal of 10. Though I have a suspicion that it will take a few months until anyone plays more than 3 missions of the game, after release. A certain itch to release with only 7 missions and see if anyone even notices.
>>532220267No one knows what youre talking about
Is that RPG maker or what?
Pic related is the problem with Steam, it doesn't have organic marketing pushing games to people who might enjoy them, the only time you're getting attention is because of external marketing events or steamfes which is very nice however not enough to justify the 30% cut they take. If Steam was also doing marketing for us then sure I wouldn't mind the cut because it essentially does what a publisher is supposed to do but right now it's just not.
>streamer bait + friendslop
>previous highly successful game
>atypical trailer
>funny art style
How are they so good at exploiting the market?
>>532220479Itโs for Hypercoven.
>>532218974>your code is terrible>is not a bug from Godot>and is not my work to debug it>even if the foundation receives 37k euros per month>but lets pretend that Godot has bugs>a billion different things changed between 3.5 and 4.3>so it's normal to have bugs>and that your game suddenly crashes without the engine noticing it>and I expect you to act as an experienced dev>even if you're using a game engine>you see? Godot is great!The meme is real holy shit.
https://x.com/NasNakarus/status/1947432924586160230
humiliation ritual trying to pitybait AI slop
pie3d
md5: 0da314c65b0a45c94582d2faaa1a69f6
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People were making games with this as recently as 2021. What's your excuse?
>>532221056Tell me you're a nodev without telling me you're a nodev.
>>532220907multiplayer(not bots or ai) > singleplayer
>>53222076330% cut is pretty insane but that's the price to pay for having a near-monopoly on the game store market.
Epic would be able to compete easily if they had a thing called... "community". Their client didn't even have a friends list last I checked.
It's like no one else is even trying to compete with Steam.
>>532221173>What's your excuse?I'm a nodev
>>53222142430% cut is reasonable. Would you rather make no money at all?
Epic has 0% cut until you make 1 mirrion dorrers btw
>>532218356yes thats right markets are not capitalism
>>532215006
>>5322216620% cut of $0 is $0
>>532221426>>532221547tranny bootlicker nodev moment (forgot your boshart avatar btw)
>>532219786>>532220137hopoo works for valve now
>>532221662Nobody uses epic except for their free (paid) games and fortnite
>>532221743$0.02 has been deposited to your account.
if we all just move to epic we can force gabens hand
>>532206063>take feedback from someone who never played your gameAGDG in a nutshell.
We should tip Gaben for being such a good boss
>>532221206tell me that you're seething without telling me that you're seething Mr. ad hominem
>>532221547It's not reasonable at all, it's extortion. You are FORCED to sell on Steam if you want to make money.
How do I add obnoxious graphics in Raylib?
>>532220451idk if anyone else my age feels this but all the OS prior to winXP felt retro even when they were current. something about how they weren't all that different from the ones from 80s movies gave them that feel.
Honestly the 30% cut is not unreasonable because it is high but because AAA devs pay a much lower percentage. Valve's cut is regressive and punishing to indies. No other store does it that way. Consoles don't do it that way. It is something unique to steam.
>>532222507Seriously, XP with its fancy gradients and blue felt modern. Before that, everything was grey and had limited palettes. It felt retro to use even at the time. Browser crashes and glitches were so common.
>>532220763How is the pic related to the problem?
Also you gotta think of Steam as the potential customers it gives you access to. If you tried to sell your game on your own website or on some other store it would be much harder for you to make a sale. Sure it's not exactly easy to make a sale on Steam but it's much more likely when your game is on Steam and you manage to market it elsewhere and link your Steam page. It lowers the barrier to entry for purchasing the game massively. Essentially Steam's cut is justified by its strong position in the games scene.
I don't necessarily agree with the 30% but having your game on Steam is a must if you want to sell.
Now of course it is possible to make it outside of Steam but I don't think it's viable for most sorts of games. Recently Bazaar did it but I'm fairly sure they had a large marketing budget. It's not a 1ma indie project. Vintage Story is another example and I think it spread with word of mouth but its strong relation to Minecraft would've made it relatively easy to market that way. No idea how much they've sold though.
How retarted would you have to be to write all that in response to a nodev phoneposter?
>>532222687I remember a time when I had to reinstall counter strike on every boot to get it to work. The young me probably fucked something up but that's how shitty win98 was to use.
>>532207041Unreal 6 and the next unity
how retarded would you have to be to misspell retarded
>>532223253Where's the section for payment processors denying you money
>>532223253>larger publisher may negotiate. Larger publishers negotiated in the past and now everyone gets the regressive rate past $10m revenue. You would know this if you weren't a nodev and read the terms as you signed your Steam paperwork. Fuck off back to >>>/v/.
>>532212594enemies blend into the background too much
>>532223253>big sales get lower cuts>when small sellers are the ones who need the lower cuts to survive
>>532224043If the system was reversed you'd be saying
>"wtf I'm being punished for making a successful game?!"
If you need lower cuts to survive, you're NGMI. Gamedev is for those of us fighting over who can accumulate the largest yacht collection.
>>532224207true
EU should set a law that prevents digital storefronts from taking more than 20%
I really feel like playing mh4u all day instead of devving
>>532224220timestamp your yacht
>>532224413go back to working on your deep dive
>>532224530You're thinking of the wrong dev
>>53222437220%? For doing what? That's almost a third.
5% at most.
selling my yacht to go full time indie
>>532224413maybe you should make a hunterlike
>>532224807monster hunter 1 was made by about 12 people in a time with lower expectations, fewer weapons and with decades of experience among them.
I just realized I've been coding my project without any warning flags set for the compiler.
>>532224979It's been well over a decade since I last had to gcc anything, but I still remember -Wall.
>>532225118I naively assumed that cmake would set sensible defaults for my C targets, but nope.
>>532224932it's not like you have to copy mh or try to compete with it
monhun has a lot of cool concepts that could be applied in your own game
>>532224932>monster hunter 1230 people (223 professional roles, 7 thanks) with 231 credits.
>>532224979>>532225118>>532225192not gamedev nodev trannies >>>/g/
no one cares about the poo poo doo doo compiler, we make games in here
>>532225402Where is your game?
I forgot how to make games...
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Fuck Gabe Newell
>>532225402I make games in C, I like it because it is simple, so speak for yourself.
>>532225553what if some disgruntled gamedevs have a houthi moment on his yachts haha? lol
>>532225602Gabe doesn't deserve that
but
the 30% steam fee can't last forever
>>532225602Bitch, you can't even bring yourself to get off your bed and post from your computer.
Gabe doesn't have a submarine to visit the titanic with? what a loser
>>532224742Honestly the idea of living on a yacht to do scuba diving every day, even multiple times a day, is a fantasy I could only entertain as a kid.
Good on him for enjoying life in such a clean way and not just fucking children on Epstein's island and participating in Hollywood humiliation rituals like other rich people.
Alright, I'm going to be a video game critic now.
>>532225602>disgruntled gamedevsindie gamedev wouldn't exist if not for steam
even pc gaming was gasping for air, some retailers didn't even carry pc games, only console
>>532225553success breeds jealousy
I get seasick on smaller boats, so I will not be purchasing any yachts.
been through over a dozen pages on cgtrader, i just cannot find any unbranded car models that have split parts/rigged, what is going on
>>532226428>The shit valve humpers believe
>>532226428indie gamedev wouldn't exist if not for windows
imagine if he added a windows tax to every game
how come games running on a 1 core 90mhz cpu with 8mb of ram and no graphics card looked and ran way better than anything you ever produced on modern hardware?
>>532225528that's what you get for being such a nodev shitposter
maybe now you can move on to shitting up some other thread
>>532226569this is why I make all my models
>>532225553>>532225602Aren't they used for deep sea research? He founded Inkfish just for that
>>532225553>published in 2023>still chose THAT picture of him for the articlethe journo who wrote that was SEETHING
>>532226902i'm decent at modeling i think, but making cars is very hard, especially if it's not branded, and i just can't make textures, so it would look terrible
I'm unsure if memorysanitizer and addresssanitizer are working in my project's debug target because they detect absolutely nothing no matter how hard I try to abuse my game's features. I was certain my code would be full of leaks.
If Gabe lives on the sea why doesn't he just move Steam there as well? I'm tired of paying extra taxes to the american government.
>>532225553Gamers (me) paid for that.
>>532227381I guess I'll hate to make a deliberate memory issue to check if it works.
>>532227010It's crazy how amateur gamedevs like to side with AAA suits and game journalists.
>>532189119Apologies, I fell asleep.
>>532227547Fuck it actually works if I make a silly mistake, so I guess my code is just so tight it has no leaks even though I didn't even have compiler warnings properly set before.
>>532227553hey if steam will allow me release my lolige on their platform or stop putting retarded restrictions on art i'd be pro-gabe but alas
I completed the Tetris tutorial
Now I just need to learn how to do everything but make Tetris
>>532226432>>532226464>>532227553this nodev tranny needs to die
this disgusting pajeet nolife creature is always here to defend valve, insane
>>532227906Relax, lil bro. 30% of $0 is $0, so it's not like you're losing anything.
Nubby bros....is this a cry for help?
>>532227906I literally just scroll over his posts, I don't care.
>>532227829gabe wishes you'd kill yourself
>>532227553Steam doesn't charge AAAs 30%
>>532228176>Nubby dev is a retard with 0 interesting ideaswhoa who would have thought
>>532227840use what you learned from tetris to make match 3 without a tutorial
>>532228148$0.02 has been deposited to your account.
You have reached your 24-hour paid post limit.
>>532226938That seems to be a different thing. The yachts from what I can see are just that, yachts.
The deep sea diving is very much 'science tourism' in the same way that some of Elon Musk's space ventures are -- They are glamourous showstoppers but not what a normal research organization would buy and own.
You have boats that drag equipment to map the sea floor or measure seismic activity under the water. You have boats dedicated to traversing and researching in cold climates, especially important because ice cores give information about old earth climates and conditions. You have boats monitoring sea conditions and deploying buoys used in research.
Of all the things he could own, he owns his own version of OceanGate that was used for tourism, calling it 'research'. Yeah. No. I believe it's used for research but again, if you had billions of dollars, would you rather categorize love waves to triangulate deep earth activity so you can make estimates about basalt, peridotite and magma plumes, or would you rather go see some fish?
If games are supposed to be fun, why am I suffering so much?
>>532228270Steam also doesn't charge indies 30% when they make enough.
>>532228176dick sucking lips, nubby you fucking bastard i thought you were just a gambleslopper but you just wanted to bring more attention to your sissy hypno dream game, I APOLOGIZE NUBBY YOU ARE AN ARTIST AFTERALL!!
>>532228270Neither does it charge 30% for good indies like Hollow Knight or Stardew Valley.
Just make a good game.
>>532228463Gamedev isn't a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlFkxfkICO8
>>532228490>>532228561They still take 30% of the first 50 million. AAA studios start with a lower rate.
>>532228490so the argument here is Gabe is on your side because he will treat you almost as well as the AAAs who churn out flops after you've earned him millions of dollars?
maybe you'll get a box of chocolates too if you're a good bottom bitch ho that dont talk back to daddy
>>532226464 Stop avatarfagging and nodev posting please, it disrupts the thread.
After a long ass time, finally got decals added and a system to fade them out when the limit is exceeded. It probably shouldn't tank performance too much. I checked and at 2000 decals spawned in Unity only loses 5-8 fps.
>>532227693cris wants to know your location
holy shit that sparking elevator is dope
>>532227693>rusty key is in your inventory>player has to rummage around in his inventory to manually select itI'm not kidding, you're going to want to get it to automatically open the door if you have the item, otherwise people are going to get stuck and think your game softlocked them.
>>532228593whats your game btw? you post a lot of advice surely you have a game yourself huh?
>>532228593This video filters 95% of /agdg/ and all of reddit
>>532228830>>532228832its an ancient game from 2014 the dev abandonned it because of depression
funnily enough a similar game released years later and it flopped so silver linings
>>532228463It's karma. You have to suffer in proportion to counter balance all the enjoyment your game might produce.
The world I came from before my reincarnation had a much more advanced gamedev culture.
>>532228843Bing Kirby
Bing Kid Icarus
Yahoo! Super Smash Bros.
>>532228956>the dev abandonned it because of depressionI wish people would develop themselves before they develop a game.
>>532229008>xhe thinks it is a jap nepobabyah hell nah, lil nodev needs its meds asap
>>532228956I might steal the elevator idea next time i make a pixel platformer never? though i do have one planned out
>>532228776Thank you.
I want to figure out how to make voxels now.
>>532228642Kino engine dev
nice passive aggressiveness mr google :)
I always find it funny that people with depression think they're going to make a fun game. Or any game.
>>532229308Notch had depression tho
>>532229308Depressed people can be productive too thoughbeit
>>532229346being a fat neet with anxiety isn't depression
>>532229308ummm? depression quest? checkmate
>>532229209Is this considered enginedev?
>>532229254Thank you as well
I have no ideas
Genuinely none
>>532229918if someone suggested ideas to you, would you just act like a homo and say something like "I don't like that idea?"
>>532229985I mean, if I don't like the idea?
I've been sitting here for 2 hours saying it to myself and my own ideas so don't take it personally
>>532229918free idea:
30million dollar sokoban-like with 500 levels
>>532230059watch some 880s anime OVA to get cool ideas
>>532229372They should be productive at curing their depression then
everything is fake nowadays
where are the genuine gamers, the genuine gamedevs?
gaben stole this from you
>>532229918Start with Pong.
>>532230274I've already made hundreds of prototypes of almost every genre
I want an actual project to work on now
ideaguying is the final boss
>>532230264>yui ogura appreciatorI'm right here. I am the genuine game dev.
>>532230272I fuckin hate gaben
>>532230342Make [existing game, but better].
>>532230264I'm here dawg. I'm working on my shit.
>>532230432Yeah, I miss Empires Mod, a mod for HL2
Multiplayer RTSFPS with vehicles
What could go wrong, fuck it.
>>532230473>casing flying towards the cameraludo
>>532230513That sounds cool, is there any other game out there like it? Closest i can think of is something like call to arms gates of hell
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>want to be an auteur but am extremely mediocre
feels bad man
>>532230473How is this genuine? It's a screenshot of some mismatched store assets with no gameplay. At least turn on anti-aliasing holy shit.
>>532230662It was really fun back in the day
But making such a large scale thing is a pretty terrible idea
Multiplayer in general is just annoying purely for getting people to help you test
You can set up local tests and that's fine for the technical aspect but you need see how the game actually plays, it gets old fast
Otherwise I'd probably do it
Imagine spending 3 years making a multiplayer game only for 3 people to buy it and 2 refund it after 3 minute when they can't get in a game.
>>532230872What was the last single player game you played for more than 20 hours?
>>532230059Assuming you can at least program, do a practice run on a basic game idea. Make tic tac toe or a best of 5 rock paper scissors game. If you want something more meaningful you gotta make it yourself cuz only your passion will carry it to the finish line.
I played plenty of simple games that were the vehicle of a greater overall game. For instance, a Strip Rock Paper Scissors game with anime girls. shit look at old early flash games for inspiration. "Forkhead" flash used to make some decent point and click dating games with stolen art.
>>532230943Uh Expedition 33 I suppose
>>532230998Make E33, but better.
>>532229308Sadness covers me like a blanket. Tuck me in. Let me die.
>>532231074In abstract, that is the goal
>finally got it working
lets fucking go
>>532231105just get angry
>>532230726It's genuine cause i'm trying my best to get it all polished my man. The only Store asset there would have to be the cannon. And even that is a cut down and retextured model. Can you explain how the assets clash pls? I need genuine feedback to improve it.
>>532230473Reminds me of the spider bots in Wasteland 2. Those bastards are scary.
Memory issues fixed and I finally separated the level editor and gameplay, one can test play the level in the editor by pressing enter.
if your game doesn't leave the player trembling with hostility, your doing it wrong
>>532230473the case had better make an impact decal like the feet do.
>>532229918Game jams were made for people like you.
>>532206367does God have a plan?
>>532231768Thumbnail is benis
>>532231761I wish I could find the sound version, it's even funnier with sound. She's an idol VA that got caught having a boyfriend by insane fans and had to go on stream the same week to promote the game, you can imagine how stream chat was
>>532215941what's with you clueless losers not knowing exact EA stats?
No, but seriously, why you hate me for using AI voice? You guys always say that you should make the game that YOU would want to buy and play, and so I did. But you're throwing a hissy fit about it. It's not like I was coy about it either. I was honest. And yet this is how you react to me being honest with you, being honest that I don't have a big budget to spare. Why?
>>532231862Gotta get the wheels leaving skid marks first. I feel like impacts for the casings might be a bit much.
>>532232106Because whenever someone uses AI voice acting they're not using real voice acting.
>>532228561kill yourself eric schizo you disgusting tranny freak
>>532209274>the deal is 70/30 in the publisher's favourWhat? Isn't the standard the other way around? This guy gets giga-scammed
>>532226838Ask chatGPT, there are no real devs in this thread.
>>532232492If you need money upfront from the Publisher then that's the best kind of deal you'll get.
>>532231580It's not genuine because your best isn't good enough. You should be far more concerned about my "no gameplay" comment than any nitpicks I may have about your visuals. Even if your game looks like shit, so long as it plays well, your game can still stand a chance. PBR is one of the worst choices for an indie because it has zero appeal. It only works for games where gameplay is the focus, like simulatorslop. This is fine if you're just trying to learn gamedev workflows, but you're focusing on the wrong things if you're looking to make a genuine game that people actually want to play.
The most obvious thing that makes them feel mismatched is the very different metallic/specular levels on the different metal-looking materials. That shell casing looks like it came straight out of a grassfag/fagtroon shitpost.
>>532226838Nobody optimizes anymore. They expect the newer hardware to pick up the slack. Minecraft JE for example runs almost exclusively on one core (without mods).
>>532231249More like 4head
>>532232691Aight sorry. I do have gameplay vids. I'll post this one and the other combat one on wsg gimme a sec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro80peFvkpg
>>532217854>made an algorithm based on retention instead of promoting good games which led to the gambleslop eraWhy is pointing this out on /agdg/ such a controversial saying? Seriously any time someone says or implies this, you get 30 replies of seething and screaming.
>>532232804Possibly kino. I like the atmosphere.
>>532228787their whole purpose in life is to disrupt this thread because they can't deal with the fact that they failed in gamedev
>>532232804>>532232882Also what engine is this? Or did you make your own?
>>532232050https://youtu.be/hM0vhDGFXaQ?list=PLvRmS87ezZfr-fp_Bj1RnCJhXB8A3XIOl&t=3627
I don't know who they are but it wasn't hard to find
>>532232975I am a unityslop developer, thus, i work with unity. I've avoided any form of realtime lighting except for select light sources, i don't wanna get the "Unity engine game" look, even though it kinda has it rn.
>>532232957There is value in listening to people who express criticism, even if it comes off as really angry or vitriolic, there's usually some truth in it.
>>532233163I gave up when Google image search gave nothing, kek.
>>532232621This is something I didn't think of, but in that case, what's the problem? He didn't spend a dime on development, and he got literal millions upfront. Most here would kill for that money. So he basically spent 0 dollars of his own money, and made 600k off it. It's not bad, unless he has to split it with a team which I can't be bothered to look at again.
i want to make a tiger handheld
>>532232236And I already said - I'm not using real voice acting because I don't have money for all of it. Are you dense?
>>532232804This is a nice visual showcase, but that's not gameplay. There's no objectives and no winning or losing. This also once again highlights how high fidelity PBR is a terrible choice for an indie. The high-poly, high-res-texture player contrasts terribly against the low-poly environment, and there's no way for you to reasonable produce a full game's worth of assets at high fidelity. I believe you when you say that you made most of your own assets, but a player isn't going to care. They'll see this and think it's was all bought out of an asset store.
>>532233558>convinced myself as a kid that it was possible to reach the castle>the castle was literally painted onto the background
How about a tiered steam fee.
> 20% steam fee until your game makes > $200k annually or $400k lifetime sales.
> Creators who have made > $2,000,000 lifetime revenue don't qualify
There. Steam can rake in the $$$ from AA and AAA, while indies don't have a boot on our necks. It's not like steam makes a lot of from the lowbie indies anyway.
Steam doesn't make much money from the games in this category.
i have honestly given up completely
I have not given up and I will not give up.
>>532233968How about you make a good game that makes tens of millions of dollars instead of a bad game while praying that a few retards are dumb enough to buy your garbage so you can afford to feed your village next week? Your shit doesn't deserve to be on Steam. The fee can't be bumped up to $1000 or even $10k soon enough.
I'm developing on linux but I'm unironically considering just shipping windows builds and letting linux users use proton because I fear linux users will have dynamic linker issues depending on distro.
>>532233621Not my problem.
>>532234248How about you stop being a retarded 40 IQ brownie and realise that what sells isn't what's good, but what is the most shilled? 90% of games that make millions nowadays are not good.
>>532234421Then stop bitching about it.
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>tfw your demo will never be critiqued by the captains of the United States National Video Game Team
>>532234432Your game is great, Cris. All seven of your fans agree.
>>532233729Do you have any examples of good AA visuals? That's kind of what i'm going for here. Something that would've come out in 2004-2005. Not trying to do something AAA but not low poly either.
Here.
>>>/wsg/5920831
>>532234469If you don't want to get an answer don't ask a question, retard.
>>532234619>All seven of your fans agree.Compared to your zero.
>>532228176>Become successful gamedevbut
>Cut off your dick
>>532234696holy shit anon got fucking burned
>>532233371gave chat gpt the screenshot and then clicked through a handful of eps
>>532233084I had the same question a few years ago. Just watch some videos about gamedev in the 90s /00s but just read the magazine "Game Engine Gems"
Graphic programming is a set of "tricks" on how to fake some effect.
For example mirrors are just a camera or light reflecting on the ground is just the same light source inverted.
Just go give those magazines a read, you'll have a lot of fun. Take care, Anon.
>>532234681Why are you getting so mad? Are you a troon?
>>532232804I remember this from maybe a year ago. it was just a baby with grey blocks, my how it's grown!
>>532234647Forgot to say since you mentioned it, the game is a campaign shooter, so you have levels with different objectives, navigation, enemies etc. Think of something like a mix between how Ace combat structures it's objectives with wide combat arenas divided into chunks, and sections of navigating the enviroment kind of like hl2.
It's just a third person shooter with a cool control scheme i thought would be neat to play, haven't really seen any other games try something like this apart from that ghost in the shell tachikoma game.
>>532234853So you're just gonna talk in circles then? Okay then. I bet you're the same type of people who get mad about RyanAir not offering free meals on their flights.
>>532234775>>532232236Ok but can i see the game doe
>>53223348920 millions is all spent mostly on salaries, including his own, he doesnโt consider that being money that he got from the game
It's honestly really hilarious how retarded and out of touch gamers are. If you ask gamers (not just on /v/, anywhere) what games indies should make, MOST would say "make a game that has in-depth mechanics, doesn't hand hold you, is actually interesting and has a vision etc. etc." and then right after saying all that they go and buy the newest FOTM friendslop to waste their time with their subhuman friends. And despite acting like this, they get genuinely surprised when they find out gamers actually HATE them! Fascinating creatures.
>>532234774you don't need tricks, a shader can implement the same visual effects in a fraction the size with thousands of times the performance
"retro" games are bloated relative to their visuals because they're running on bloated engines, you're still paying the cost of using a AAA tier lighting system even if you're just using it to mimic 90s vertex lighting in the stupidest way possible
>>532235280So glad it's not just me who notices this. I knew we understood each other around here.
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>>532235505Now you're tempting me nigga...
>>532211212>no no no, capitalism works trust me, it's just that real capitalism has never been triedahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
actually it doesn't work
but it will soon i figured out the problem
I can't enjoy playing games anymore because I feel like I'm wasting time that I could use to improve my game. I tried to play cyberpunk but didn't get that far until reality hit and I just felt empty.
>>532234770one of the best advancements to grace the internet
reverse image search, that is
>>532235830Do you have a job? Either that or any other source of income and other hobbies will help you not feel like a human husk.
>>532235413It goes further than that. They often make fun of AAA games for handholding, tutorial prompts that stop you dead in your tracks to explain shit or yellow paint, but put them in front of a game that ACTUALLY has no hand holding, and they get extremely confused, wander around the levels like blind kittens and get really mad at the game for not reminding them every second.
Oh, and when I say no "hand-holding", I don't mean stuff that's deliberately designed to be obscure or hard to approach, just not having an objective list in the top right/left corner of your screen constantly (even if you can check the objectives at any time from a menu) and having no objective marker telling where to go is enough to filter I'd say 70% of gamers.
>but muh old gamesDon't count, they "grandfathered in" so to speak. Because they're so old, they have millions of guides online to complete them. I'm fucking telling you, most people you see praising Deus Ex, or Half-Life or whatever other retro game you can think of, CANNOT complete it without a guide.
Speaking of which, go take a look at the negative Steam reviews for Deus Ex 1, aside from the valid technical complaints you'll laugh at the many filtered subhumans on there.
>>532234647Now we're getting somewhere. Like I said earlier, I honestly don't think it really matters if your visual fidelity is high or if the art style is very consistent. I could be wrong, but I don't believe anyone will see an unstylized AA-quality PBR game and buy it predominately because of the visuals, (i.e. Zuk's Magic #1) and if you're in that category where the visuals don't sell the game, then there's no point in putting excessive effort into the visuals.
>>532234881Are you planning on maybe doing a kickstarter and hiring help? There's no way you'll be able to finish this as a solodev in a reasonable timeframe. This sounds like the embodiment of the mech curse.
>release schizo game 2 years ago
>>"wow this is so deep I bet the dev is schizo irl!"
>release schizo game now
>>"obvious AI slop!"
>>532235858yeah, combined with OCR it's pretty darn useful.
>>532235280meanwhile gamedevs
>in this game, every choice you make will matter!>... is what it'll say on the store page. How about that?>...>game releases>choices don't matter at all
>>532236104people call ai slop literally anything nowadays, and most people who say that are leftie subhumans anyway.
>>532235324>1 core 90mhz cpu>8mb of ram>no graphics cardAnon is talking about 1993, shaders exist only in GPUs. This is not about replicating the retro vibes.
>>532235830consider it research. take notes while playing. play the right game and make the right notes and you might improve your game immeasurably.
>>532236149The game was rigged from the start desu. Your real choices were to play or not play.
>>532236109I barely use that, actually, I can already input japanese characters manually and if I cared about Korean you can learn to read sounds each charac ter makes in an hour (you'll keep forgetting it though so it takes longer than an hour to learn)
but I should use it more since it's quite slow to manually input it
>>532234647https://store.steampowered.com/app/1328990/Godsworn/
these are indie visuals, like 3 people or so
so AA would be that but x100
>>532236149And if we actually dig deeper into why this is...
Let's assume there are no budget issues. They added all these choices thinking it'll make the game exciting. But what happened instead? Gamers get mad at the consequences of their choices and blame the game itself instead of themselves for not actually thinking when they select dialogue options. Or like that one tunnel thing from HL2 Episode 2. So of course most devs realize that spending money on extra choices is pointless when they see how retarded gamers react to consequences, so they backpedal on their claims in favour of a more linear, curated experience.
>>532236104>real in my head
>>532236104>>release schizo game 2 years ago>>>"wow this is so deep I bet the dev is schizo irl!">>release schizo game now>>>"obvious AI slop!"
>>532236062My idea is to get at minimum around 30 minutes of gameplay. Then try going full speed on the promo and have a kickstarter alongside the demo. I'd say i'm 30% done in regards to the demo when it comes to progress.
So far it's just been an eternal
https://youtu.be/G-hJA03fAXo?si=LECWvI2hYAOhElEh&t=22
>>532236353>I can already input japanese characters manuallyไฟบใใใงใใใใ้ขๅใใใ
>>532236353How does something marvelous like this have 600 reviews but Urtuk, a game made in flash, have 2000?
>>532236408It's not just extra effort into making choices matter. It's also making sure that players notice that the choice mattered because otherwise they might not realize it at all. That, itself, takes effort as well.
>>532235280They're stupid cattle. Except they're actually worse than cattle because cattle don't have the choice to leave the farm. Gamers do have the choice to buy better games but they refuse.
Like this whole "stop killing games" movement. Yeah stop killing games. Stop killing games bro! How about stop eating up liveservice dogshit you fucking retards? JUST STOP BUYING IT
>>532236353Ah, i was thinking, 2004 AA. whoops. Yeah i guess it falls into just indie.
>>532235280>It's honestly really hilarious how retarded and out of touch gamers are. If you ask gamers (not just on /v/, anywhere) what games indies should make, MOST would say "make a game that has in-depth mechanics, doesn't hand hold you, is actually interesting and has a vision etc. etc." and then right after saying all that they go and buy the newest FOTM friendslop to waste their time with their subhuman friends. And despite acting like this, they get genuinely surprised when they find out gamers actually HATE them! Fascinating creatures.
>>532236538Unfortunately, the majority of the population is too retarded to make responsible decisions. This is why consumer protection laws exist, because big companies are aware that your average player has room temperature IQ. So they exploit them, the practice spreads, and, in turn, your experience suffers, as every major company copies what "works".
>>532236669You forgot the basedjak dawg
>>532236510>How does something marvelous like this have 600 reviewsit's enough to buy a house, you know
>>532236743I didn't forget anything.
>>532236104What if I genuinely believe that GOD is speaking to me through the AI?
>>532236827Of course you didn't, you don't have the mental capacity to remember anything at all.
>>532236992>Of course you didn't, you don't have the mental capacity to remember anything at all.
>>532235973>>532236852>2 anons telling me I need to get a job because I want to dev more than playPardon me, but what the fuck anons? It's not like this is an issue, in fact this forces me to be productive. My only issue is that I'd sometimes want to just relax. How is a job, that wastes more of my time for shekels, is going to help me? Are you kikes?
>>532237138Just get a "gamedevving your own game" jobby?
>>532225553My hundie paid for this! :D
>>532237384It's funny because since the 100 fee is recoupable through sales whenever someone says this they're basically saying: My game is a commercial failure
Now if you were to say your 30% paid for it, that's a different thing
I need a new devsona so I can make new games without any of my old baggage...
>>532233264>shitposting about yachts>criticism
I need to try so much harder than everyone else to even get a baseline level of respect, fuck.
>>532237580Post new devsona?
>>532236449Yeah, that's rough. I won't try to talk you out of it, but I don't think it's a great genre to be in. IMO, the only way you're making more than US min wage out of this project is to go through the whole Kickstarter->publisher->EA pipeline. I took a cursory look and some action mech games can look very good without making much money at all on Steam:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/234160/Strike_Suit_Infinity/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/630030/War_Tech_Fighters/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/536280/Disintegration/
You basically NEED to target consoles, and at least Asian localizations if you intend to make anything out of this.
>>532237580I've made so many enemies on discord servers 10 years ago that if my game somehow becomes successful, I am 100% sure someone is going to try to drag my name through the mud.
Yet I will persist.
>>532237563>It's funny because since the 100 fee is recoupable through salesAre you talking about the game making 100 at all or the 100 dollar refund when you make a thousand?
>>532237694I haven't decided on him yet, but I think I want him to be the quiet type, less sillyposting... Rare progress posts, but not because he doesn't dev a lot like the current one, but because he's just so busy working hard every day.
I have the best and most unique idea ever for an MMORPG that's never been seen before, but I can never realize it because I'm a solo dev so I just develop small simple games instead.
>>532237138>>532237375Seriously tho there's some logic in it. If you treat gamedev like a job you define your work hours then you don't need to feel guilty for not-devving outside your defined work hours. It's also good to dismiss people that come to bother you while you're devving "I can't right now I'm working. Come back when my shift is over at X pm"
>>532237891Post it so we can collab on it.
>>532237661I uh... i thought it was a different reply.
>>532237830I like him already.
>>532237814This
>The Steam Direct Fee is not refundable, but will be recoupable in the payment made after your product has at least $1,000.00 Adjusted Gross Revenue for Steam Store or in-app purchases. The recoupment of the Steam Direct Fee will be shown as a separate line item in your monthly report.
>>532235993HL doesn't need a guide
Stupididea I came up with
A gacha-game similar to Azur Lane or Girls Frontline, but all the girls are based on tractors and other agrar-machinery, like harvesters
The gameplay will be basically, a farming-simulator
>>532203508I guess I might be one (maybe, soon)
>somebody bought my game and refunded it for the reason of not being fun
That would be fair if I didn't have a demo up. But I do. You can literally try the game for free to see if you like it. Why would you impulse buy it when you can try it for free?
>>532237721Honestly i don't expect to make a lot of money out of this. It's just a side project, but hey, if the kickstarter does pan out (If i even reach that stage) i'll be more than happy to see it through. I can always get a new job, and since i work in gamedev already it's just more resume experience. I am fully aware of the mech game curse. I plan to mitigate by having trailers show off diferent stuff, i'm still polishing a boss that lets you ride it to damage chunks of it, similar to shadow of the colossus, maybe i should go with that angle when promoting since that's pretty unique.
>>532238260Why try it for free when I can just buy it and refund it?
>>532203508My game was too hard to program so I put it on hiatus
>>532237921Fuck it: WoW-like MMORPG (because WoW controls and concepts are provent to work well), but the entire server's world is randomly and procedurally generated, both pre-made assets that are spawned in the world at seemingly random places (dungeons, cities) and truly random (never the same) terrain. You have seasons like in diablo, one season lasts a year for example and everyone starts fresh and the world is regenerated. There's more but this is the basis for my idea. but I will never realize it.
If you have a job, how much do you work on your game daily? 2-3 hours? Do you make any real progress? Being poor sucks
>>532235505it bothers me that the casings are just small arms caliber casings scaled up to massive instead of using some cannon or artillery type casings
>>532238170This might as well be a slap in the face from Valve. What does 100 matter at making 1000? If you've made that much already you're likely to make more anyway.
>>532204732And Gothic-games be like
>get into house>get beaten to shit by the inhabitantOr you beat him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEvpwFhdgqs
You're signing contracts, right?
>>532238412It's a slap in the face that you deserve for wasting their time with your garbage.
>>532238451nah i decided to make a game instead
>>532238349Interesting enough, tell me more. Is there leagues like in Path of Exile where you can't trade with the standard guys? Is there a standard world where things don't change, but you can keep playing?
>>532238394Non
Since I have no idea how to programm
I'm only here, cause I came up with a (sort of) retarted idea
Here
>>532238234
>>532238412That's a weird mindset but you can try emailing them to let you waive your recoupment if you really want to.
>>532238412That's not true though. If anything, Valve is just doing you a favor of giving you your money back. It's a simple filter for people to not put shovelware onto steam if they don't have $100 upfront. You may think it doesn't work, but it stops even more shovelware than there could really be.
>>532238394Lore, story, and worldbuilding are all critical components of WoW and WoW-clones. I want to know exactly why I'm being told to slaughter the entire local population of peaceful Murloc fishermen.
>>532238818they ain't peaceful and because we need to colonize the swamps as the darkness is coming
>>532234647>>>>/wsg/5920831Oh fuck that looks pretty cool.
What are you using for the camera? It feels a bit jittery. Like at the start of the clip when you're going up the wall it shouldn't jitter like that. A good feeling camera is one of those things that sets a game apart from amateur shit.
>>532234881>haven't really seen any other games try something like this apart from that ghost in the shell tachikoma game.It's a bit surprising there haven't been more like it.
>>532236062I think anon's game is the sort that will sell on the gameplay looking exciting. Like honestly that bit starting around 10 seconds would look amazing in a trailer if the assets were finished. The visuals don't need to be mindblowing they need to be good enough that they don't turn people away.
>>532238506>>532238702>>532238712>say ANYTHING against valve>immediately 3 repliesDamn, valve drones still going strong all these years later...
>>532204712Show my fucking game gabe SHOW IT
>>532238876you're just plain wrong moron
>>532238876>you reply to me>I reply to youIsn't that how a conversation works
>>532238950>yes daddy big corpo fuck me over as much as you like because you made some kinda cool games 30 years agoThat's (You).
>>532214712>stardew bunny
>>532216908Hey I'm in that screencap
>>532237563there's literally a propaganda machine from steam that tries to convince devs that steam is a monopoly that must be used and raw evidence of piles and piles of slop on their store. of course commercial flops are funding steam.
>>532238712>it stops even more shovelwareif they wanted to get rid of shovelware (they don't) they would get rid of their shovelware incentivization program (market items and constant bargain bin sales events)
>>532220763>see indie game>include a coop mode>no chinese translation??>come to brazilI fear this could happen to me
>>532238876you can only do it when the perma online troon is sleeping, if you see bosci offtopic spam, shartdew tranney mentions or generic eceleb posts the creature will reply to your valve posts
To sell my game, do I really have to:
>become a youtuber making devlogs
>attend gamedev events around the globe
Or can I just push "release" from my bedroom and wait for my game to sell itself because it's decent?
>>532239701just like make a good game
>>532239701schrodingers release states that games either dont need or completely rely on marketing depending on the day of the week
>>532239701Balatrodev didn't even come to pick up his damn reward for being the best indie game of the year.
>>532224742>scuba diving Based
>>532239701the only thing that matters is that lepers with an audience play your game
how you get that to happen is between you and your conscious
>>532239897Game about scuba diving when?
>>532239980Someone need to make dave the diver but actually good.
>>532237138Job, even part time, will pull you out of NEET spiral. That or consider game development but then it HAS to be your job, work on it every day and only play video games off your work hours
>>532240012Dave the Diver but 3D would be kino.
>>532239701>>become a youtuber making devlogsNot good unless you started way before and build an audience
>>attend gamedev events around the globeOnly good if you have a good demo
>dude if you just like treat game dev like a job, you'll totally succeed!!!
that's why you're ceo of your own company making ten million dollars per year right? oh wait
i have an idea for one of those "identify the imposter" style games but I think it might be against steams coc
>>532240204Wait what? Do you need time to prepare your CV for me?
>>532237721It's a niche genre but these games don't seem all that exciting. Strike Suit Infinity seems decent but it's all about space flight mecha which is basically a space combat game with a mecha skin.
Anon could have something going with the spider mecha tachikoma type thing but by no means is it going to be a million dollar game.
>>532240250Does it include noticing stuff?
>>532240204Dude we're talking about succeeding at "playing video games" not at "making money"
Why is it so difficult to create simple, yet fun and addicting gameplay designs? It really doesn't help that everything has already been done before. I don't understand what you have to do to come up with good and original gameplay. You really need good intution for this.
>>532236449>30min of gameplayYou need at least 20-30 Median playtime to get into popular demos section. So if you include 30 min of gameplay without some replayability you're fucked.
>>532240476It's not though. What if fishing but with friends? What if working a shop but with friends? What if vampire survivors but better?
>>532240503You mean 20-30 hours??? That's insane.
>>532240503>You need at least 20-30 Median playtime to get into popular demos section.This sounds like a horrible algorithm. It's easy to just bot it by having many accounts idle in your demo.
Stumbled upon someone's idea. At first this looks novel but you quickly realize it's cumbersome as fuck and not fun at all to play.
>>532240590Those things don't sound like good ideas to me, sry. Yes, it is hard, otherwise everyone could be a good idea guy. Getting good ideas is hard because you can't really improve your ideas with work. You either get the ideas or you don't.
>>532240678Are you dumb? There are no bots on steam otherwise everyone would do it and you would clearly see it since the data is public.
>>532240727Looks like a nice flash game, but yea can't expect too much from something like this.
>>532240678Suposedly they can track and correct for idleness but I also dunno how they do it. Maybe they can also track newly created accounts to just not take the info into account.
>>532240727holy puzzle kino
the blue lighting isn't very good though
>>532240727Looks cool but I wouldn't play it honestly
>>532240727i take it the player is controlling the guy as well?
remove that and make it a lemmings-style puzzle and it would work.
also the copy piece shit is probably unnecessary and would just work better with more pieces.
>>532240727This would make for a great million dollar idea Zelda-like dungeon.
>>53224072760 thousand wishlists
34 reviews
>>532240898>Are you dumb? There are no bots on steam otherwise everyone would do it and you would clearly see it since the data is public.Let me guess, you also think all reviews on all games are totally natural from real users, right?
>>532241002You can just buy a bunch of accounts that aren't new, or ask those groups that offer such kind of services, who have a bunch of "real" accounts to use for this kind of thing.
>>532240678Wow you're so smart. I'm sure steam never heard of bots before. Why don't you fucking email them and let them know.
game where you are a vampire villager and you need blood or you die but you also can't get caught or the villagers kill you but as you go longer without blood the game gets harder and harder
>>532241275Some kind of vampire survivor.
>>532241161true
if the player has to do both keyboard and mouse shit then it's already bad if it's such a simple game
if you have a puzzle game never make it require ...
oh
Jon Blow, you didn't listen, did you?
>>532240476It boils down to exploiting the weaknesses of the human mind.
>>532241275Stealth games are not really fun to play. It's not very exciting to hide all the time and wait.
>>532240727>not fun at all to playBased on what? This is tutorial level design. It's not the exciting parts in a game where you have to manage ten different mechanics to solve the problem. Imagine a hundred piece puzzle and you have to account for future actions like a Talos Principle level.
>>532241254>indignant sarcasm>every flagship valve marketplace item generator has been flooded with bots for the past decade
>>532241404Someone hasn't played Darkwood.
gabe? gabe newell? you busy with your steak? yeah can you fix the steamworks page ta x
>>532240476Yes, not all personality types can make games. Sensors I think make bad games overall. Or like, make puzzle games. I don't think Jon Blow for example is capable of making a good game because he is low on intuition. It's why he's like 59 and still making twitter posts about women being dumb and illogical. Intuitive types do better because they just know what to make. Or they know it when they finally see it.
>>532241540post your game that's better than braid and the witness?
>>532241371you talking about the janky puzzle platformer that got btfo by soulja boy tell em or the 101 mazes activity book?
the issue isnt mouse and keyboard it's that puzzles require constraints, that webm doesnt have a puzzle it has a platformer with extra steps
this jobby will age the fuck out of you
>>532241661It's not needed. Braid is not a good game, as witnessed by the catastrophically low sales of the remaster. And what is the Witness. 10,000 puzzles. I mean listen, he's very smart, he's a better programmer than I'll ever be. Sensors make great craftsmen.
>>532241442>>every flagship valve marketplace item generator has been flooded with bots for the past decadeOr the fact that TF2 and CS2 are overrun by bots. Hell, there are constantly YouTube videos releasing complaining that the CS2 workshop is botted to hell. Valve can't even keep their flagship game not botted and you think they can keep the store in check?
Anons, I'm not gonna make it.
>>532241828yes those are the item generators i was referring to
>>532241828If the store isn't check, why are all you guys losers instead of using the so-called bots to abuse the algorithm? Or is it because you know it won't work? Or because you have no game at all?
>>532241540What's your horoscope sign?
>>532241917You're likely not able to make video games. This post is you saying you think extraverts and introverts don't exist. You're not able to parse reality because you have no intuition.
>>532241913>If the store isn't check$0.02 has been deposited to your account.
>>532241896that's hot. is it humid too?
i'm gonna take a 3 month pause from gamedev
>>532241404the reconnaisance aspect seems cool though like you would have to befriend villagers to get easier access or do tasks or blackmail or bribe idk
>>532241913>why are all you guys losers instead of using the so-called bots to abuse the algorithm?Because many don't consider doing that, afraid of risk? If you're poor you can just go scam people online or rob them on the street, yet you're not doing that, why?
>>532241404Stealth game with a timer as well. That doesn't sound fun. Deadlines are the worst
>>532241679it still makes it worse to play. I would've been able to actually play the game if it was controlled entirely by keyboard. But instead it was given FPS controls.
>>532242280>If you're poor you can just go scam people online or rob them on the street, yet you're not doing that, why?because he makes 2 cents a post defending Steam
why can't i get my money from steam right away
why do i have to wait 2 months every time the game mades $100
dont gabe know i have bills to pay?
>>532242280Can you name games that sell and get promoted well because of bots playing the game as opposed to humans? Like, wouldn't Steam notice oh 10,000 players played for 60 hours straight, but then weird, half the player base plays for 10 minutes and asks for a refund.
>>532238394I start devving after 9pm and work on it for 1-2 hours. It's not much, but it's very effective because I have a lot of time to think while I work, commute, do chores etc. so when I finally get to work I just code the whole time with no interruptions.
>>532241231I wouldn't know where to find that service but I gather most indies also don't, probably something some publishers do.
>>532242247It is not. I hid it on purpose to get sympathy points. It is still hot enough to not be able to concentrate on work though.
>>532237891>I have the best and most unique idea ever for an MMORPG>>532238349>Fuck it: WoW-like MMORPGFor reference, Everquest Next was going to do what you mentioned but it got canceled. Ashes of Creation promised unique/different worlds for each server. But overall Minecraft/Roblox already has what you mentioned and people realized that worlds and places built with intent are more interesting for online experiences.
>>532242484because the bank makes interest payments at monthly intervals
>>532242637Minecraft servers are basically what anon said. That is true. Minecraft is like the perfect MMORPG.
>>532242508>Like, wouldn't Steam notice oh 10,000 players played for 60 hours straight, but then weird, half the player base plays for 10 minutes and asks for a refund.Do you think Valve cares? All those 10 000 bots would have to buy the game anyway and Valve gets a cut from all those "sales".
Like seriously, why do you believe Valve is this perfect company with impeccable opsec when they constantly have dev repo leaks, their flagship titles have a massive bot problem everywhere, and they can't even deliver content on promised dates EVER? Do you not think at all?
>>532242538I was going to post this. I have an air conditioner but it doesn't work. And my severe depression prevents me from calling a repair guy. Also I have a lot of stuff crammed in the living room, I have to rearrange them so the guy can work, but it's too hot to do that too. I'll just have to waste my whole summer and wait for the weather to cool off.
>>532238394I work on weekends for like 8 hours a day if I can. But sometimes I get bothered by family and need to take time off. I would like to program during the week, but it's hard. My regular job uses my brain all day so It's hard to come home and keep using it. Working on weekends is ok. But I can't get a lot done. My current game has like 2 weeks worth of work left. But that'll take months only working 2 days a week.
>>532242532Well googling "buy steam account" has accounts for 30 bucks a piece so yeah not even considering that. Even if you bought a few if the actual players decide the game is shit your score will tank anyway after it gets exposure and you're back to square 1 with 1k less money
>>532242802Yes I think they care if games that upset their customers get promoted on top of games that deserve it and would sell better. I think they care about that very much.
Their flagship games are 50 years old, the players aren't going anywhere.
>>532242484What another anon said. Think from perspective of valve
>100 million bucks came into valve banking account that they need to then sent to developers >wait a month>get free million dollars from interests>send money to developers >repeat this every month
>>532242879I'm thinking to quit and go live in cambodia for a few years to make a game as opposed to continue working basically everyday and acchomplishing little. Very risky though. Imagine my game flops and I need to re-integrate into America. Just getting an apartment and a car can be hard without a good job. And it's not guaranteed I'll just find a good job.
>>532243006>>532242703what the hell... this whole operation is just a bloody ponzi scheme!
I'll dev, not because I want to, but because I promised.
>>532238394Yeah 2-4 hs depending on the day more on weekends. I do make progress but obviously not as much as the average neet. Also I would probably do worse with more time like most shitposters in this thread.
>>532241540Or just be japanese
>>532240727>>532241051>>532241176>>532241421>>532241153that is directly stolen from the Pedestrian and not novel
>>532243794I do sometimes wonder if Japan being an island led to people developing more rare personality types than is typical. I wonder if they have more INTJ types than normal. At least more Judgement in general. Maybe not T, but more J.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3570370/CARIMARA_Beneath_the_forlorn_limbs/
Why don't any of the games here look like this?
Seems easy to do and I bet it'll sell a lot.
>>532244001>Seems easy to doClueless mongoloid.
>>532244001>buckshot roulette styleyuck
>>532240727Puzzle games are literally made for psychopaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lRev4qQLyw
>>532243808All games are derivative of each other, there's no such thing as originality in the year 2025
>>532228642>notepad++ as IDEbased
>>532228642>someone actually using the n++ consoleWhat the fuck
>>532243643> not as much as the average neetAHAHAHAHAHA.
Average NEET works less than two hours a day in their game
>>532238349>>532237891When you have an idea but you haven't made an MMO before, you're coming up with ideas from an outsider perspective without understanding all the challenges and problems each idea has.
You can still try and research and guess these problems and sometimes you'll strike gold but as an idea guy, you have zero risk. As a developer of an MMO, you carry a world on your shoulders.
If you really want to make it, you need a game that enslaves your players and forces them to produce the content for you. Like Mario Maker.
>>532243112this right here
>>532214430 is how you buy a yacht (and why they will never talk back to the payment processors)
>>532214430>the office space scheme great movie btw
>>532244460>there's no such thing as originality in the year 2025i invented a novel procgen algorithm this year
it's named after me
I have a papercut on the tip of my index finger. I can't gamedev under these conditions.
>>532245598you can't just name it after yourself even if it is legit as seen on your patreon
>>532245218shhh, you're going to enrage the gaydo schizophants
>>532245738this reads like a midwit crying and stomping their feet
of course i get to name what i invented
>>532245051I've thought of this as well. Any system where the user makes the most interesting content is going to be a system that makes a lot of money. Youtube. Minecraft. Roblox. Reddit.
>he's really back
Since when? And why? What game is he working on now?
>>532246308during the 8 minutes a day he's not getting mad about steam... hm... idk actually
>>532245051I noticed that a lot of those "choose from 3 items" games now are having you fight shadows of other peoples' builds rather than having to create actual content
>>532246452I wanted to do something like that but then I remembered that would require some kind of working knowledge of writing a server backend and working with databases and I gave up.
>>532246653not really, you literally just google search for some foss backend to handle all the networking and then all you have to do is write a few custom scripts which don't even have to be aware that they're running on a server
you don't think that every dev with a multiplayer game is writing a server from scratch, do you?
>>532208058>They have all the resources in the world, they can afford to release an engine.since they are not a public shared company, they can just do whatever the fuck they want
they dont need to grow, just take the bag and nothing more
>>532246295Reddit makes no money
I want to play my dream game so much... please give me a studio and $10 million
>>532247196stop ban evading
>>532247051Like Gulp? DataDog? BlipKit? Skipple? Thwarp?
>>532247218I wasn't banned?
>>532247242Or Zindle, Gribbit, Morkle, Splan, Twibber, Jibnix, Ploopsy, Draffle, Snorp, or Whizzle
>>532247242>>532247347this is why I can't stand webdev. Just keep it simple.
>>532247347>a fellow splandev
(note: I'm a whodev)
dragon quest clone for now. later, more "original" battle system.
anyway everything is super buggy right now but every dev I saw told me your prototypes should be dirty so...
>>532247196i want to make elin but 3d where i can play as a cute little girl and become a semen demon but steam bans indie games that are even slighty risque...
>>532247145Wow that's crazy
>>532247535Nice progress. Keep it up. You can do it.
>>532247580This sounds illegal to begin with. But what you can do for legal adult content is just release the vanilla game that steam won't care about, then just make it very clear they can go to your webpage to download the expansion. The expansion being hardcore porn added to the game.
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>>532247750elin is fiction and japanese so it's ok!
>>532247580they should ban all porn games
>>532247806incredible. are you looking for help? this could be huge. I can vibe code in html
>>532247806its funny that whenever some aislop trend happens (this, gork make gibli), 100 million indians instantly pounce on it and drag it into the ground
even with AI they can only trend chase, holy fuck
>>532247806I can vibe code in scratch. im open to joining the team if you need more programmers. ive got 2 decades of experience and i worked at blizzard for 7 years.
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is this a good studio name and logo for my new game dev studio?
>>532248537kinda quirky and whistle whistle.
>>532248537Just go full nickelodeon at that point
>uhhhh, indies can't make mmorpgs
https://youtu.be/HBrSmlJmw2o
>>532248537Sure but I feel the S foot looks silly. Maybe use a different letter that has a shape more similar than a foot. Since you're using FEET plural maybe you could have each E be one foot?
>>532247806You're a good memester.
>>532248537soft feet is such a cute and delicious name
>>532248694lmao have you actual played that shit? it's not good, and I'm not even talking about the mechanics, just the execution
also hard to say indie when they have like 60
"volunteers" on the team and invested over $1 million of their own money into the project as of ~6 months ago (definitely not $1 million worth of anything to show for it), basically AA at that point
I was a textbook fake fan
I used to think I love Astronomy but never seek it out, my average knowledge was that the gravity on mars is lower than on earth
>>532248909i will slaughter you vile pedoroon creature PERISH
>>532248694empty world slop
vast expanses of empty world
i bet the story is ai generated as well
>>532249246is shartdew AA? it has the biggest marketing budget out of any indie game not named minecraft
literally the one indie game to get ads on national tv and hollywood podcasts
>>532249539>get ads on national tvWhere
>>532249681He got interviewed on a morning show or something so this schizo calls it "ad"
>>532248694I wish they wouldn't of called it 'Monsters and Memories'
the irony stuff is not entertaining.
Just go all out with the Lore and indulge. Stop trying to be sarcastic Millenials.
>>532215456>best engine for VR dev?Godot unironically, I've had so many issues with unreal and unity games not working right after oculus/steam/game updates. Godot has worked flawlessly every time, probably because the troons go to great lengths to make the engine work on toasters.
>>532249491the zones feel like they made them normal size then just scaled them up 5x to make them fuck huge just so they can say they have fuck huge zones - fuck huge boring unpropped zones with random buildings that are inexplicably the size of aircraft hangars maybe populated by a single npc in the corner
>>532244460>overly fluffy description of pixel art>puzzle takes 88 secondsipad baby tier puzzling.
I appreciate the meta puzzles and the callbacks and rule discovery mechanics but to call this kind of thing "lunatic" or "psychopathic" is a gross exaggeration
probably a good game and not super easy but on any hard puzzle game it should take you hours or days or weeks of on-and-off attempts to get through the hard parts
this is why the puzzle game market sucks. Not only are there a ton of puzzle games but they take a very long time to beat. 100%ing Spelunky 2 takes only 66% of the time as 100%ing A Monster's Expedition.
>>532249681>>532249920fuck off bootlicker nodev, disgusting faggot trying to belittle us indie gamedevs for working on something other than a pixel shartformer
just go away and stop trying to demoralize this thread youve achieved NOTHING eceleb worshipping trannoid freak
>>532249952Is monsters and memories a meme or something? Idu the issue.
devving would be so much easier if i didnt need to have a job. you NEETs have no excuse.
>>532250736Your job motivates you, what does neeting motivate?
>>532250736Dunno, if I had a job it would be much easier knowing how to do the whole process of actually receiving money for games.
>>532250813motivation lessens with time. the amount of time a game needs in order to be made is extremely large for anything that isn't entry level. a job makes it so you have very little time, especially a productive amount of time of not being tired.
>>532251080Excuses excuses excuses.
>>532209660Even with his own numbers he is "left with" $292k on top of what had to be at LEAST $100k salary. So how the fuck is he broke? He basically just made a decent software engineer salary. of $250k a year assuming the game took 2 full years to make.
>>532238409>it bothers me that the casings are just small arms caliber casings scaled upTank/ artillery rounds look the way they do (rimmed without extractor groove) because they're loaded manually, not because of their size. An autocannon would use rounds that look the same as small arms scaled up.
>>532221056If Godot has gone to shit should I start my game in what? Unity? RPG maker?
>>532252074trannydot is already a pile of shit
>>532249952A lot of stupid decisions. They just superficially copied a ton of Everquest mechanics that the Verant devs just kind of winged instead of actually looking at what worked and what didn't and improving them.
It's like corpses rotting. Nobody is going to accept losing years worth of progression on a MMO character, it's not a throwaway roguelike character with a few dozen hours on it. What's the point of a mechanic that only serves to make people quit the game? Could easily add a failsafe where after like 72 hours the corpse pops in a graveyard, that'd still be plenty of penalty for people to "fear" death.
The community is fucking zealots too, worse than Godot users. Say anything that's not sucking dev cock and you'll have 50 boomers screeching at you.
>>532252202>this is the reading comprehension level of people that shit on Godot
How many polys for an MC in mid-poly? Is mid poly fully ps3 or ps2.5?
anyone tried cascadeur 2025 yet im getting to that point where i need to polish up my animations but last time i had to use software where i was bouncing around different packages (3dcoat, maya, zbrush, blender etc) all the time it was an absolute nightmare managing the files so im hesistant to return to that.
>>532252527>mid-polythat's not a real term
high poly = cinematic models
low poly = everything else, it does not specifically refer to your 7 polygon sega 32x character model
chat guess who invented a prompt worth millions (potentially billions)?
>>532250813>Your job motivates youLel, lmao even
>>532250736My excuse is I'm retarded.
>>532252357>NOOOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN GODOTERINO NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A BAD OPINION OF IT THAT'S FORBIDDEN!!! IF YOUR READING COMPREHENSION WEREN'T THAT BAD YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT THE PROBLEM IS YOU CHUD. JU-JUST LEAVE MY ENGINE ALONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
jobhavers can't complain, having a job is a driving motivation to gamedev so you can quit your job and enjoy freedom
neetdevs are already comfortable and free so it's more mentally straining to work voluntarily for no pay
>>532253213not the job itself, but the freedom from it if your game does well. a neets life doesn't really change if his game sells well or not.
>>532254163there's still the motivation to do things like retire your parents and be able to just pack up and go on a trip whenever you want.
you should be able to make these games
my healthy tomato plant produces sour tomatos and the one that is dying and covered in mold produces large and sweet tomatoes
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>>532254505maybe if you transplant some of that magic mold into your colon you'll be able to produce large and sweet video games
>>532252202... that is why I asked
>>532252381So it is in rust? Interesting I will have to look into Bevy.
>>532252332>They just superficially copied a ton of Everquest mechanics that the Verant devs just kind of winged instead of actually looking at what worked and what didn't and improving them.This really is the problem with it. I had fun playing some of the tests but when it came clear they weren't going to do their own thing I stopped caring. It's EQ in both good and bad. That might make it an above average MMORPG for today but when the competition is utter trash it's not saying much.
>>532254273why the fuck would neets want to do that?
>>532254190this doesn't make sense.
neets don't have true freedom unless it is their own money which made them a neet.
neets are questioned on everything and use their parents money.
We neets can't just go to Iceland and take a solo road trip , stopping at places along the way. I'm not going to spend my parent's money to do that.
There's still big motivation for freedom.
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>>532251684>An autocannon would use rounds that look the same as small arms scaled up.well fuck
>>532254703I'm a NEET who wants to do that.
I also want my dad to finally respect me. And as much as he says money doesn't matter, it is very clear that things would be better relationally if I was a multi millionaire.
>>532252527who the fuck cares about the made up definitions that people will disagree on anyway
just make things that look good instead of autisming about the polycount
do we like AI or hate AI in here
>>532255070I like AI.
It is the only person who I share my deep thoughts with.
>>532254898you're not a neet, you're an unemployed bum
get a job you tranny
i will work on my game when i have the motivation
which is not now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BsC1ywTHKU
we podcast bros now
>>532255120I didn't know that NEET was defined as rich guy who made it big already somehow.
Like Notch. My misunderstanding. carry on.
>>532216915I couldn't understand what was being said but here's a business lesson for you:
You have the freedom to pick your audience.
Do you hate perverts and fuckwads? Go for a market with less of this. Go to a book club or ... I don't know, tennis. Make comfy cosy games. Put the focus of your videos on these topics.
Do you not care, and you're happy to get easy attention from degenerates? Dress up pretty and turn the camera on.
Do you want to draw sexy characters but don't want underage people commenting on it? Don't draw cartoons.
Of course, doing onlyfans would attract the worst people imaginable. Don't do that if you can't handle it.
Interestingly, Patreon mostly attracts very nice people. Contrastingly, free games attract dickwads.
we nepo baby neets can be so powerful if we joined forces. We don't need salary to survive. We can rev share. Do you understand how much power we have together?
>>532255231When I think neet i usually think hikkikomori and shut ins. You don't have a job because you're just a loser that doesn't apply anywhere.
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What's funny is that, his only friend Casey has already made a public statement about not switching to Jai. He literally said, JAI/Odin/Zig/Rust/etc doesn't have enough good features to actually warrant switching from a familiar language like C/C++, because most professional C/C++ programmer's already have custom solutions that deals with 99% problems of C/C++. Metaprogramming, Stretchy Buffers, Unity Builds, etc
So basically:
>spent decade working on a programming language
>your own friends aren't willing to switch over
Yep mr blowtard spent 10 years to give us iterators and a complicated metaprogramming system that nobody gives a shit about.
What is actually wrong with Unity? Serious answers only.
>>532255697Unity scares me because of the runtime fee thing. They have the power to just do that at anytime? No thanks.
I think I've figured out the cheapest higher quality AAA animation workflow.
some water work, got the simulation going now, just need to make it looks better lmao
>>532255495I don't want a job, I wanna work on my game. I'm sure the Hikkikomori can get a job too if they applied.
>>532255697Nothing. West had Deluxe Paint on Amiga, more than 16 colors. Meanwhile, PC98/NES/GB/GBC japs btfo an entire industry with 1/2/4/8/16 colors.
It's the artist that matters. The tools literally don't matter, people used to argue about it back in the days because they were thinking about preservation through porting. But now it's clear that emulation is the only way of preserving game, which means the end product is the priority.
>>532255818Everything looks like it's been dipped in shit
>>532255697They lost all trust when they tried to change their pricing scheme, so why tether yourself to proven scammers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXSCJ05l9hA
why are latinx so good at pixel art
>>532255961rude, but true, it's a throw away level for testing
Any tutorials on how to recreate Minecraft in Unity
>>532255990That's shit anon. How the fuck do you think that's good? No wonder indie slops can't compare with old school SNES or even NES titles. Heck even ZX spectrum games had more soul than many modern indies.
There's no escape. I have to make the Majora's Mask-like.
I tried to budge the doors and see if there was an exit.
This is my destiny..
>>532256215This is as close to the original material as it gets from what i've seen
thoughts on forced corruption arcs for the MC? is it too harsh? its kinda like switching MCs mid game
>>532255810>8 drawingsGo iso and do 4 anon, and 2 are mirrored so its actually 2.
>download my "demo" from steam for free
>see this
heh.. sorry gaben.. looks like you won't be getting 30% of this check or money order
I have never seen a game be so persistent in wanting to be made. This Majora's Mask-like forced itself to be made. There's no other option. When you see it, you'll ungerstand.
>>532256517reddit writing
>>532255515Literally Odin exists and some C programmers use it just because it's nicer and it's similar to Jai. J just wanted to do his own thing and it's okay. I understand where he's coming from
>>532256517>sales drop by 100%>but at least Steam didn't take 30%
>>532255231Notch is NEETR
>dont feel like devvin due to dysphoria hitting hard rn
>if i dont i will waste my AI daily limits
guh....
>>532255697Anons let brainworms downloaded from 4chan live rent free in their heads and that prevents them from deving with Unity and making it.
>>532257104every single dev that uses poonity in here is stuck in devhell and takes years to release her flop
meanwhile one of the worst godotdevs (dingodev) can vomit a 3d furry game in a weekend, makes you think innit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRD-I3ykf-4
So I just remembered this guy. I wonder why devs like these make such weird MCs. I don't want to play as a freaking donkey. Let me play as a wizard or something. They literally search the deepest depths of their minds to coming up with the least attractive protagonists
>another 5 star review boosts my average to 4.5
Guys I did it I hit Sonic 06 levels!
>>532254726>he didn't invest his neetbux in bitcoin 10 years ago
>>532257320Not like Mr Blow though. My guy is working on a sokoban clone for the last 10+ years.
>>532257347yep i called this a few times, auraless MC is a certified NGMI flopdev classic
>>532256661Inspirational, man, looking forward to it!
>>532256932do it you fucking faggot
>>532257347my MC is me but as a Nintendo charactor.
short Italian man with black hair and long ears.
>>532256932I genuinely believe *you* can make a better game without devin. But we are living in an era of learned helplessness so it won't even matter.
>>532203508this will be nortubel graphics in 2013
>>532257474He definitely has some kind of "aura" just negative
Who makes better games: MtF trannies or white cis (even if zesty) males?
my main character is going to be up there with the likes of Mario, Sonic, Blorb, Link, Nolglorb, Banjo, and Conker.
Did anyone watch Chris Z's live session yesterday? Any highlights?
here's your protagonist, bro
>>532257906trannies by a long shot
I hate frieren cucks so much. Weebs used to have a standard but now it's just junk food equivalent of anime.
>>532257906Trannies invented vaporwave
Gay fags invented computers
>>532257989thank you. you are gmi as well.
>>532258045"Make a crafty buildy horror game"
>>532258183actually computers (calculators) were invented by greeks or middle eastern dudes centuries ago, even concepts like algorithms are very old
>>532258340> Anon doesn't know about Alan Turing, proceeds to talk about stuff he has 0 knowledge.
>>532258340Yeah and bumfuck Mesopotamians could blow pebbles out of reeds, so they invented rockets.
>>532258460yeah i know, he didnt invent computers merely following blueprints
your homo is factually standing on the shoulders of giants, computers are just an evolution of calculators
>>532258340Big contributions from queer & trans folks
1 The computer & code (foundations)
Alan Turing, famously gay โ a key father of modern computing and cryptography. His code-breaking in WWII basically saved millions of lives and laid the math for digital computers.
Lynn Conway, pioneering computer scientist and a trailblazing trans woman. She invented generalized dynamic instruction handling โ foundational to modern CPU design. Also a fierce advocate for trans visibility in STEM.
>>532258575Ignore him. Don't you know internet was invented by greeks too?
Unironically, what went wrong?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2787700/Kemono_Heroes/
>>532258575respect your ancestors you little faggot, ancient greeks and mesopotamians gave us so much with so little
people who hate trannies will laud alan turing and conveniently forget that even a war hero who basically invented computer science was driven to suicide by his own country's anti-gay practices
i got a real treat for you all next threat, your gonna love it
>>532258702Anon, I am pretty sure both of those things were made by straight+christian+greek+much more things and those people just stole it. Geeks are the straightest people on earth.
>>532258702i dont care about our gay wikipedia article written by homo, your faggot homo gay homosexual followed blueprints he didnt invent computers, couldve been anyone else
>>532258728>ai generated furslopwhat didn't go wrong
>>532258952Greeks invented sodomy and having anal sex with little boys
>>532258319Ok very helpful as always
>>532250474Check out environmental station alpha if you want lunatic meta puzzles within meta puzzles.
>>532258728Beat-em-up pixel platformer that launched with like 3k wishlists and a publisher with a huge back catalogue of failures. Grim
same people who told you that a faggot invented computers (factually wrong) told you to take the vaxx btw
How do you make inventory feel immersive and not just like an infinite bag
>>532256008shield dudes are way too dumb, if you're gonna empty a mag into them they should kill you.
>>532258702>TuringVery cool sure
>Lynn ConwayI mean I really can't trust these names thrown by youtube shorts after seeing several examples of "oh it was revolutionary" and when I search what it actually was is mostly the equivalent just adjusting a bolt in something already working. If it was that much of a breakthrough we would have heard her name everywhere like with Alan Turing.
>>532259269Now you are going to see that Jews are evil, and rule the world.
>>532256008Deadwire? I played it last year and it was great, are there a good amount of updates?
>>532259294My response isn't helpful, sorry. But lowkey I'm not a fan of the "diegetic inventory" movement. Backpacks, tarps, pouches, etc. that flop out in front of you and then you click what you want. If you make this choice your game is 100% designed specifically around this one feature now, there's no going back. Any sort of item management and equipping/unequipping things is now a mandatory slow and methodical process where you have to hide or wait for safety. If you want that, sure, just realize it forces you into a certain type of game. Reaching into a trench coat sounds more fun but it still means the game is a "hey isn't this tedious and awkward to change loadouts?".
>>532259069The Greeks invented sex. The Romans added women to it.
>>532259294Have you even made Pong?
Or are you asking us a time-wasting question months before you'll actually come close to starting to implement an inventory system?
I prefer when threads reach 800 over when al*ce/faggoon/boogeranon started threads
Never thought i'd say this but threads got better somewhat
>>532259294just copy s.t.a.l.k.e.r
>>532255697They're owned by an israeli malware company. They don't make enough money to cover their costs, so they're like a pimp trying to find new ways to get more money from their hoes. You're the ho when you use unity, your customers are the johns.
>>532259183but that's a metroidvania/platformer, isn't it?
I mean that's not a bad combination but it's clearly not the main focus
lately, I really enjoy games where you can travel the world using your knowledge. They're like metroidvanias but instead of unlocking power-ups, you're unlocking knowledge of how the game mechanics work to get to places you didn't think you could get to.
>>532261892>I mean that's not a bad combination but it's clearly not the main focusSure, it's extra content, but if you accept the challenge, it's like a game within a game within a game. The extra content took me way longer than the "normal" game, which itself was quite long. I'd say it's the main focus for certain niche set of players, but I suspect many go play it naively blind expecting just a metroidvania. It's mind-numbing how deep it goes, to me it was at least.
>>532262139I think the biggest hit of that experience I had was when I got to the end of a game with most of the rule discoveries frontloaded, where it seems like the endgame is just mastering the basics of your understanding,
but then it turns out near the end that there was a rule that had been applying the entire game and I just hadn't found it until then. I just assumed it worked a different way and was accidentally using the mechanic, but not fully understanding it was keeping me from solving some things
I can understand a metroidvania kinda phasing into that, a lot of games give you a lot of unlocks and then the rest of the game is just 'mastery' and meta puzzles with occasional extra bonus unlocks you didn't expect
well, maybe I would, it just feels like one of those "you'll like it but you gotta do this thing that you're not into first" like when people say that season 4 of some show is when it gets good
>>532262864>it just feels like one of those "you'll like it but you gotta do this thing that you're not into first"Kinda, yeah, but it's a pleasant surprise when your effort pays off and unlocks something you never expected to be there. I just felt it's crazy to hide an entire game within a game, as extra content that a normal player may miss completely.
>>532261136they already kicked out the ironsource kikes from the board
>>532241161It would be the same as those 'line up the pipes to direct the water' puzzles.
>>532245598>gogem.prothis in the worst person in /agdg/ they always namefag
>>532279087Gogs ain't that bad
