The List Edition

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>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
Steam Hotfix 6.6.4 - 30th of June
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/steam-hotfix-6-6-4-30th-of-june/110130

Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-battle-for-tertium-out-now-patch-notes/109117
Hotfix #72 (1.8.4) - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-72-1-8-4-patch-notes/110661

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - 24 July
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Jump Ship - TBA

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Vetbros.. we're starving..

>>532371071
please sir, just one belt fed weapon

MEGA

Make
Executioner stance
Great
Again

Reminder that Zealot is never getting a shield.

If Vets are starving then what is the state of Psykers considering its been 3yrs since release and still no additional staff weapons

>>532371071
>>532371113
You have your plasma already. It’s enough. :)

>>532371454
Psyker can make any weapon in their arsenal work through pure damage amp. Vet can't.

>>532371386
Do zealots even use shields?

>>532371778
pretty sure "zealot" is a generic term and not an official thing. So it's up to fatshark/gw to decide what they get. But there is such a thing as Crusaders.

>>532371113
>please sir, just one belt fed weapon
It's likely that they won't even be belt fed.
It's just gonna be an LMG but with 300 round box magazine.

>>532371778
Darktide's Zealots are affiliated with none but the Mourningstar and its Inquisition. They can do whatever the fuck they want, they're not bound to any rules.

>>532371778
>>532372159
The closest thing to ‘zealots’ 40k has are the Militia something something which are just ordinary citizens who take up arms to fight against whatever they perceive to be a threat to them/the emperor but yeah there’s no like, official Imperial position under the name ‘zealot’

>>532372360
Oh and the same goes for everyone in the ship except the Arbites by the way, and similarly but less so Ogryn for size reasons. None of the rejects are affiliated and under command of any body but the Inquisition in the ship. Not sure what this idea of "lore-friendly arsenal" comes from considering this. The only limitations come from FS's wish to have classes stay distinct. Zealot doesn't get a shield because of FS's decision to only give shields to frontliners.

>>532372360
They seem to be some class of Ecclesiarchy Preists.

>non stealth vet/zealot
eeww wtf

>>532372159
This would look pretty fucking sick, ngl.

>>532372896
>Zealot doesn't get a shield because of FS's decision to only give shields to frontliners.
What are Zealots then? Damage Dealers?

>>532375158
DPS brawler
Note that both Ogryn and Arbites hold several DAMAGE resistance talents, Zealot holds only toughness resistances.
Same goes for stamina, blocking, stagger related talents, to which Zealot holds none of.
Every tool in the Arbites loadout is built to help him hold ground. Zealot only gets chorus for that, and even then he is completely unable to attack enemies while doing it, instead relying on teammates to do so. All of Ogryn's and Arbites' abilities help them hold ground and/or make space and amplify their damage and resistances simultaneously.

>>532376060
Well nvm, I just remembered Zealot holds a whole 2 damage reduction talents (25% for 2s on dodge and shield of contempt which is 60% for you or allies for 4s upon taking health damage every 10s)
These are never taken on The Build probably due to lack of points

>>532334145
Me again. Finally got the build going and gave it a go and, holy crap did they do something to Smite in the course of a year? Use to feel so satisfying, now I just build up peril and have to keep slamming the breaks with r so I don't pop.

do you think arbiter will get nerfed or that the other 3 classes will be brought to its power level or a mix of both?

>>532378809
I hope the others get brought up.
Because honestly, I feel like if you're using a particular classes' 'the build' they're already damn near arbitrator in the value they bring to the team.
It's just that with arbitrator you can do just about anything and have a good build and the other classes are filled with trap options that make them dogshit.

>>532379040
so you think making skills that are traps stronger or more valueable will be enough for the builds to shine and be different enough so you play them?

>>532379040
This. There's alot of weapons in the game, but it's usually all the non-ogryn using Dueling Swords and arby's using mauls and shields.

Like c'mon, give me a reason to use the Catachan beyond just "make my own build and eat shit because it didn't kill in 2-3 hits."

and I WILL take any excuse to piss about the Flamer being a puff puff piece of shit for being unsatisfying. Just do the TF2 Flamethrower, it's not that hard. Flamers go *FWOOOOOSH* pissing out a jet of flame. Not puff puff passing at the function.

>>532379378
get good

>>532379378
>and I WILL take any excuse to piss about the Flamer being a puff puff piece of shit for being unsatisfying.
>Just do the TF2 Flamethrower, it's not that hard. Flamers go *FWOOOOOSH* pissing out a jet of flame.
Hold m2 and then press m1

>>532379189
Honestly? In a fair few cases yeah I'd say so.
Granted I'd like to see them remodel the tree loadouts in general to be more akin to the arbitrator one too.
Especially with zealot and vet I feel I'm stuck taking talents I don't want if I want a certain ability or grenade or a specific talent, the way they've formatted the arbitrator tree in that regard is just way better.

>>532379509
I do that and then a pox walker slaps my fat ass and interrupts it, leading me to have to do it again.

I. hate. that.

>>532378809
I don't think so, it would mean any oother dlc class would suffer the same fate and shitters would get fearful

>>532379563
makes sense. I feel that vet is plenty powerful just lacks some oomph
>>532379643
also true, pissing off the fanbase would be retarded

>>532378809
They will very slightly nerf Arbites then bring ever class to a very slightly lower level than him because DLC class gets benefits

>>532379612
I think Zealot has a talent that makes him immune to stuns altogether

>>532379189
Fatshark has been avoiding nerfs for a long time now. I think it's safe to assume the other classes can expect buffs. And then we'll just have to live with the powercreep that comes with it.

They could always buff specific enemies if needed. I think it's time to bring out the ORIGINAL dreg shotgunners. They've been a joke for too long.

>>532380017
I'll have to give it a look. Even then the feedback on it is still ass. Then again that's always Fatshark's flamethrowers, Vermin or Darktide.

>>532380386
Honestly I wouldn't mind them buffing shotgunners to be a little scarier
nowadays when I see a shotgunner swarm I just go 'sweet, time to hog the killfeed'

>>532380589
>>532380386
Same. I see Shotgunner packs as free kills to boost my ego. They should one shot your toughness or maybe go a bit faster? (Think the TF2 Scout, but in Warhammer and not AS fast?)

I can't fucking believe how slow the Relic Blade is. Even with Martyrdom it feels soooo slow, and I'm pretty sure this is the worst dodge in the game

FAH CADIA!

I'm actually trying to build for myself for once. Is this a trap one?

>>532383906
They just announced New Cadia

>>532384198
you shouldn't be preparing to fail

I'd like to build a no-dog no-arbites weapons arbites for fun.
I've been having success with the revolver but I'm not sure which melee weapon to take.

>>532384279
True but it makes me think of a dark horse kinda ability. But ah well.

>>532384703
can't go wrong with the crusher maul

>>532384703
Dueling Sword 4 is always a safe bet. But at that point just buy that Inquisition set for Zealot and RP as Saltzpyre.

>>532381842
the thunder hammer used to only have two dodges

>>532384979
>>532385072
Thank you, will check it out.

>>532379612
did you know this game has a dodge feature? try binding it in the settings

>>532386219
Yes smarty, I do. But heat of combat and all that. Pun not intended.

I'm not convinced by venting shriek

>>532387427
applies a shit ton of burn

>>532387427
be a scrier's gaze chad instead then

>demoted to 20
why are randoms so fucking bad

>>532389306
How many ranks did you lose? Worst streak for me was 34 to 27.

I figured it out, you should avoid havocs with arbies in them, they're all getting heavily carried by their bullshit

>>532356889
Not really. They gave Vet a ton of different tools that enable a number of different playstyles. Simplifying it to "the ranged class" is ignoring the plethora of shit they get for melee and the few things they get for support. No other class gets the talent support to play both ranged and melee roles except maybe Ogryn, ironically. Every other class is much more specialized. Sure, Vets were intended as the ranged class originally, but that's not how their class design has turned out by this point. Try thinking for two seconds before acting like an abrasive fuckwad.

Dogshit and outdated = Hybrid btw

>>532389306
desu if you can't hardcarry up to 30 you aren't good enough to beat fading light II at 30+ yet, you'll drag your team down.
Hardcarrying 30+ seems borderline impossible though, I've successfully solod havoc 40 a handful of times before but carrying 1-2 retards through 30+ is way harder and it kind of kills the fun in havoc for me. If it was easier to set up a solo I'd do it all the time

>>532391563
>sure, we'll take a second ogryn, at least you're not an arbites, those guys are braindead

>>532391916
I cocnur, they literally keep buffing vets melee options too. His talents that don't work when enemies are near got reworked, and his bleed talent got reworked to be arguably quite close to the Ogryn bleed, which has always been 90% of the reason ogryn is good at melee.
Vet players often do have that "I'm ranged!" mindset though which is why i feel a lot of it is just wasted. They'd rather magdump a crusher with a recon las than stab it twice

>>532391563
>oh boy a zealot with chorus this guy definitely knows what's up
>psyker bubble? hell yeah brother! speak yo shit! now we'll win!

>>532384703
Rashad or Tac Axe Mk IV

>>532391563
I've been only playing Arbites in Havoc. I want to melee, and I don't like Ogryn.

Zealots that use Fury of the Faithful actually know how to play the game and what they must do.
Chorus users hope that Chorus will play the game for them and hope that their teammates will know what to do while they AFK with relic in hand.

>get slapped once by a poxie in the back
>dead
havoc as psyker is ball torture

>>532393285
>Zealots that use Fury of the Faithful
With what weapons?
>inb4 FOTF Zealot still just wants to run DS so it can shit on elites and bosses

>borderlands 4 class gameplay trailer
>oh wow this exo-soldier guy actually looks fun
>third person hack and slash mode ability, turrets, shoulder mounted cannons, cool
>he's hispanic
>he mixes spanish and english constantly and rolls his r's
haha, no, no thanks, I'll pass, haha! no! I don't want any, not for me! haha!

>>532394052
borderlands was never very good to begin with but these new games are something else man

>>532394052
>haha, no, no thanks, I'll pass, haha! no! I don't want any, not for me! haha!

why are you talking like this?
And why the fuck are you actually interested in any Borderlands after 2?

>>532394052
you sound worse than the characters in the game

>triggering the latinx

>>532394050
I use the crusher and eviscerator.

>>532380017
You are thinking of the Punishment skill, it's the one preceding Invocation of Death.
It gives you the Uninterruptible status.

>>532393285
>Chorus users hope that Chorus will play the game for them and hope that their teammates will know what to do while they AFK with relic in hand.
It's frustrating how true this is even in havoc 40. Never mind the part where they don't know how often or when to use chorus either, and rarely if ever bring the correct build, coping for melee damage nodes because they're still in denial about being a support build.

>>532397796
>>532380017
Thy wrath be swift

>Darktide
>Still no Halberd
>No Power Axe
>No spear
>No polearm
>No poleaxe
>No flail
what gives?

>>532397469
In 40s? I've never been impressed with the Crusher, and the Eviscerator gets a little sketchy at times in Aurics with enough heavy armor on you. I hadn't even considered trying them in Havoc.

>>532398772
>no dual wielding
Fatshark hates us

>Demoted to 29 again

>>532399721
dual wielding is for the eldar class

>>532399721
>no dual wielding
Slab shield
Suppressor shield
Shield and shotpistol

This is all realistic dual wielding

>>532400045
faggot

>>532400481
Just make your expectations more realistic

Chances are that, any cool ideas we have, they're just holding onto for upcoming DLC. Like the ranged shield combo or actually good shotguns.

>knife zealot joins strike team
>haven't seen one of those in a while, I wonder if he's going to-
>runs all the way to the group checkpoint and just waits for us all to die
>team plants our feet and successfully fights the entire army he just dumped on us instead of trying to catch up to him
>he gets pounced by a dog and leaves
why do they do it

>>532403478
A great reason to oink out for the low, low price of $12

I swear to god I want to strangle the people who leave as soon as they down once.

I also want to strangle Fart Shart for having a nice summer instead of fixing their servers BEFORE they went on their vaycay.

why can't ogryns have hugeass mauls like crushers?
>inb4 muh drg meme pickaxes
fuck off

>>532403883
I paid like 19 actually. Would pay again

if im against a crusher, is 15% rending equal to 15% damage?

why stupid retards in this game never responding to me when i clearly ask a question to voice ?
just now guy had an ogryn and never answer to the call to med kit

>>532404829
Even better!
>>532404980
Depends on the weapon. Some weapons already do pretty much full damage against carapace. There's a difference between a branx pickaxe heavy attack and a heavy sword light attack in terms of armor penetration

>>532404980
No, it can be massively more than that or less
armor works like this
>your first light attack has a base damage of 100 (example)
>this is not visible ingame but usually aligns roughly with damage vs unarmored on the attack table
>the same attack does 1 damage vs carapace
>meaning it has 1% armor pen
>when you get 15% rending it adds that to the armor pen
>do you do 16 damage, huge increase
exaggerated example but weapons with bad armor pen tend to have good base damage and benefit a lot from rending. Bleed is also this way. To contrast if your plasmagun does 100 damage to unarmored and 99 to carapace that rending isnt gonna do much

>>532405234
I can never understand anything that people say in vc

>>532404980
The only Arbites weapons that benefit from rending to a notable extent are Crusher and Tactical Axe afaik.

>>532406340
And shield light attacks

>>532404557
ROCK AND STONE

>>532405234
>why stupid retards in this game never responding to me when i clearly ask a question to voice ?

>>532404557
Maintaining unique enemy aesthetic I guess?

>>532405234
I'm not dropping a heal just because some retard got himself fucked up running ahead.

Holy fucking shit the 2014 errors have gotten much more frequent. I just clutched forever and then the fucking mission got aborted just when i reached my team

>>532399721
>In 40s?
Oh you were talking havoc?
I was talking aurics.

>>532404557
>>inb4 muh drg meme pickaxes
>fuck off

Leaf Lover

>>532409975
I'm hitting my head against a wall. What actually happened and is this even fixable? That and the little bits of lag dragging your character along is just painful.

Did adding a Dog really fuck the servers that bad?

>>532411439
There wasn't even any dogs in that mission

>>532405234
I think that by default the game has voice chat receiver volume really low

>>532404557
Because they're boring

>>532414261
wrong bud

>hardstuck on Karnak twins
What the fuck is this shit?

HARD STUCK
HARD STUCK
PLEASE

I'm actually looking forward to KF3 tomorrow

>>532416976
I fucking hate you and I hope you die

>>532417552
Sorry I had fun with the beta, simple as that

what's up with the captain boss with the power sword randomly one shotting me every once in a while?

>>532418573
Try blocking

>>532416976
It’ll be you and like other 10 other people

>>532416976
if it breaks 10k concurrent and has "positive" on steam reviews I'll consider it, but I doubt either of those are going to happen

How many hours left for the shop reset?

>>532418573
youre trying to attack him while hes focusing you arent you

>>532418573
when his shield breaks or he does the shield burst attack?
someone was saying it's bugged to deal the damage of the full charged up sword swing

>>532420652
>>532420917
Sometimes he is not even focussing me and he oneshots me through full toughness and hp I'm pretty sure it's a bug

>>532423908
yeah theres a bug where if youre inside his shield as it bursts it does insane damage

>new features like text chat
IT'S OVER, DARKTIDE IS DEAD, KILLING FLOOR WON

>>532424571
actual roadmap:
- 2026, sunsetting KF3. Thanks for playing killing florers, yadda yadda

>>532424571
>roadmap slop
Ok, so the devs are gonna normalize this dogshit of releasing an unfinished, halfbaked games that they then fix over time instead of reasonably finishing it.

>>532425601
It already is normalized and these very same devs have been doing it for the past 9 years

>>532391916
>>532392821
Problem is that all the melee talents are on the noobtrap side of the tree, so you'll get kicked for bringing stealth/smokes/no ammo aura.

>>532418573
If the shield breaks right as he's doing the BIg One it glitches out and instantly hits you twice.

>>532425601
it's been normalized man

>>532424571
>new features like text chat

>>532424571
>new features like text chat
Bruh.

>>532428139
you can still get them even when running survivalist and voc, no need for krak or smoke

What a shitty fucking day of playing darktide

>>532420412
>Already thursday in sweden

any rat news??

>>532430758
Yes. They said that vermintide 2 has officially reached end of service and that we should not expect a vermintide 3

>>532431064
source??

Arbites has forced my hand, I need 0.5s stamina

>citadel endgame with a invuln, regen, vampiric chaos spawn
You forgot to make it a minotaur you fucking chucklefuck

>>532431361
Stamina eco is unironically one of the things keeping Vet from being stronger in melee.

arbite macht frei xd

>>532431314
Turn on the TV
Any non-fr*nch channel

>>532424571
>>BIG NEW SPECIALISTS! IT'S THE GUY FROM THE FIRST KILLING FLOOR YOU ALL LOVE!!! (But not Foster, we're gonna charge for him probably)
>Waiting for next year for Gunslinger, something that was already in the first two games no problem (I haven't played KF1 in a dog's age)
>Comics
KF is still trying to have a plot?
>Text Chat

Right well, guess we'll just enjoy the first two ones eh?

Dont forget, Darktide 2 will also have both playable Ratlings and enemy Skaven

>Darktide 2 with nurgle and slasnesh groups in atoma

>>532424571
>music collectibles
>comics
Glad to see they have their priorities straight. This totally isn’t damning at all.

>>532432175
>slaanesh
not unless i see bare titties bouncing

>>532432965
>want titties bouncing around
>get his ass boucing instead

Darktide 2 would need a full revamp of how old units act if they decide to add another chaos faction
Nurgle is supposed to be the slow, bulky and hard to kill faction but Darktide has them sprinting non-stop and berserker raging at you because that's more fun for the gameplay
Honestly a lot of units act more like Khorne aligned chaos worshipers than Nurgle followers. If they wanted multiple chaos factions they would have to start setting them apart by actually leaning into their core traits
Perhaps Darktide 2 would be better off staying Nurgle only for chaos but adding a xenos enemy faction

>>532431631
Fosters already in the game lil bro

>>532433919
You'll get denim thieves and enjoy it

>>532433919
>Nurgle is supposed to be the slow, bulky and hard to kill faction
This mostly apply to Death Guard because they were turned in "zombie tanks" though, nurgle flies and other units are fast as fuck

>>532434648
ok everything I said is still true though

>>532434648
Imagine some flying ass nigga snatching you up in darktide

>>532436770
would be kino of the grandest order
i love insect enemies

>>532437647
I bet you do, bug boy

>>532438243
dont call me that (please)

>>532433919
Nah the Poxwalkers are pretty accurately fast they’re supposed to be zombies more or less, I think it’s pretty for all the units we’ve engaged so far to be mostly focused on melee, the major thing they’re missing a toxic constant miasma of diseased air and particles being around them at all times like literally every Nurgle unit is known for possessing, but Fatshark probably doesn’t know how to implement something like that without being annoying

>>532430758
Yeah I got your news right here: Rats are adorable

>>532438287
Should i "buzz off"?

>>532434648
>>532436770

Moreso than that. You see those Beasts of Nurgle? Those happy puppies? Yeah they eventually get depressed because "no one plays with them", and then go into a coccoon, and get really edgy and resentful until they come out a cruel and malicious Plague Drone that eats your head and keeps it undigested in it's guts with all the other heads.

Pleasant dudes.

Oh and sometimes Talleymen ride 'em.

>>532440103
Come, mister tally man, tally me banana

I'm so fucking stupid. I haven't played in a month and was curious if the Swedes had mentioned anything about the DS4 rework and PG nerfs, then I remembered they are on vacation... again.

what the fuck is this pic? I see this consensus alot, but can someone explain how Break the line (2m dash that gives you some impact bonus) is "less situational" than Castigator stance (10s of invunrebility every 40s)?

I've been playing around with break the line, and whenever i see 10000 gunners + shotgunners, its suddenly a whole thing, theres no way to close the gap (dash too short) and it doesn't give you toughness back so that you can shoot back. dealing with gunners with break the line is now 10 times the headache than it was with castigator stance, and for what? A faster cooldown for an ability that aoe stuns (literally either arbites melee) or opens up bullwarks/rager groups (literally any blitz). Is the point to just walk at gunners with a shield?

I see enough good players use it in havoc to were i know its not BAD, but idk what i'm missing here.

Arbites slop soon

>>532441074
That's just an Ogryn

>>532441056
Disrupt the gunners before they get into position, shoot them or use the shield

>>532441232
BIGGEST GETS BIGGEST PILE OF SLOP

>>532441663
>DA TATERS ARE ON ME BOYZ!

>>532441056
>can someone explain how Break the line (2m dash that gives you some impact bonus) is "less situational" than Castigator stance (10s of invunrebility every 40s)?
Because BTL gives you a straight +25% damage bonus no questions asked and has a short enough cooldown that it's up almost all the time.

>>532441963
and also a little punt out of danger if need me.

Just because it's an offensive push doesn't mean you can't use it as an escape method.

>>532436770
Then flying away with you and cocooning you somewhere where you won't aggro enemies but take continuous corruption damage.

>>532409416
The arbiter armor actually looks kinda cool but the pickaxe is pretty cringe.

>>532442774
We need greataxe cosmetics for the pickaxes and mace skins for the bully clubs

lone wolf is actually pretty cool with the mines. I """feel""" like its a bit more difficult at times but in extreme situations it has the potential to save the entire team. Wish the cooldown was 40-45 seconds tho

>>532443452
There are good arguments for both and it depends on build
>using shield
Pair with bolter
>using bolter
Pair with dog
>not using shield
Pair with grenades or mines
>grenades and mines
Pair with lone wolf

>>532442221
literally me
>oh man is that a poxburster trying to asplode me?
>I MOVE

>>532441056
>I see this consensus alot
I literally see this 2nd time, 1st time was when the author posted it
Maybe stop reposting garbage

>>532444310
i mean i've seen people glaze break the line and pass on castigator stance alot

reading comprehension anon, an image is not a consensus.

>>532441056
>but can someone explain how Break the line (2m dash that gives you some impact bonus) is "less situational" than Castigator stance (10s of invunrebility every 40s)?
You get more utility out of BTL and can use it more often. It can be used to
>initiate fights
>open up Bulwark congalines
>provide general CC
>move (though it's pretty meh at this on its own)
>help teammates who're getting overwhelmed
>assist in revives
>probably more stuff I'm forgetting or not thinking of
It also benefits the team by taking enemies temporarily out of the equation and creating openings. On top of the number of uses it has, it's spammable. Castigator is mostly just a "don't die, motherfucker" button that doesn't directly help anyone else. Yes, it can be nice for giving you some high-DPS windows by being able to ignore damage or save you from sketchy situations and mistakes, but it's otherwise not too useful, and it's on a long CD. Over the course of a game, BTL provides insane benefit whereas Castigator, at its very best, will have saved you a couple times or made a battery run slightly smoother.

>and whenever i see 10000 gunners + shotgunners, its suddenly a whole thing
You have multiple tools to handle those situations. The main ones are of course grenades/dog explosion, shield flash, suppression, and fucking sliding combined with Arbites's insane toughness regen. If that's not enough for you, you have made an error of positioning 99 times out of 100.
>theres no way to close the gap (dash too short) and it doesn't give you toughness back so that you can shoot back. dealing with gunners with break the line is now 10 times the headache than it was with castigator stance, and for what?
It sounds like you're crutching on Castigator and need to improve your ability to close gaps manually. Moreover, open rooms with lots of gunners/reapers aren't something you are necessarily supposed to charge into immediately anyway, so not being able to do so is potentially fine.

>>532442723
Me on my way to pinch a great deal in the slopshop

*squee* im gonna need extra arms to grab all of these fantastic deals

>>532446746
kek

>>532446746
So is there a point or are you just showing off weird pigs you genned?

Did I cook?

>>532448107
>carry me harder, daddy

>>532448107
If this is for Havoc, I'd take Target the Weak since it's multiplicative damage, though I'm admittedly unknowing as to whether it'll actually get you breakpoints. Adamant Will isn't something I've ever felt a need for, and Rebreather is mostly just useful for pox gas missions, so you can choose between one of those. Otherwise it's pretty much the standard LW Forceful build, so it's obviously going to be good.

>>532446924
It's to make you hyped for the slop rotation

>>532441056
Author here.
>can someone explain how Break the line is "less situational" than Castigator stance?
Extremely high uptime on +25% additive damage (not as good as it sounds) and enables Forceful's Arbites Vigilant for a permanent +25% strength (stacks additively with other sources of strength, which arbitrator only has one other source of, the rest of that math is multiplicative). It's the single biggest source of damage the class has access to.
On top of that, you get a burst of mobility. Ever been caught by a trapper because you were conveniently out of dodges? Never again. Bomber or flamer hit you? No they didn't. Mutant charging you or your buddy? Nope.
And you get a huge aoe knockdown on an extremely short cooldown. For all the memes about crushers that Stance may be able to do, BTL takes a massive dump on it by just shoving everything prone every couple of seconds, and you can just double dip on stun locking with the shield maul, achieving criminal amounts of stun time.

>and whenever i see 10000 gunners + shotgunners
You slide toward them, and/or flashbang while holding block, it's not that hard.
>it doesn't give you toughness back
Bro, your CfC node? Just hit something.
>dealing with gunners is now a headache
Skill issue. If you need to tank gunner fire to be able to deal with them, you're doing it wrong. This is why I call Stance a crutch. You shouldn't need it.

All of the things Stance does well, BTL does better and more often while providing more damage. The only exception is getting a safe res off (you have shock mines, save one) or doing objectives (chorus and/or bubble replace the need for this in havoc).
Stance is overrated and used too often as a crutch by bad players. It's really good shit on gun focused builds, but I'm calling meme on gun arbitrators because they're just massive ammo vacuums and barely viable in havoc, short of like... Forceful cleave abuse and spamming special shells, and even then you need an ammo bitch.

>>532448916
I like Adamant will because if I have to hack a terminal, chances are ill use a shockmine, the shockmine ensures I can stay at 10 stacks, with a bit of fluctuation, and I wont be able to be pushed off of it. Same goes for Revives. Target the weak being multiplicative is news to me, but I dont know what id drop to get it. Maybe Ammo Belt, or Force of Will?

>>532449989
Yes, stun immunity is nice, but having played Zealot a ton, I found TWBS (basically the same shit) to mostly be an unnecessary choice at best and a crutch at worst. Do whatever, but it is one of the most swappable choices you have.

The only intriguing thing I have heard anyone say about stance is that you could just DPS down a boss while ignoring its attacks entirely. I assume you'd need the stun immunity node to actually do it. No idea if it actually works or would even be worth it.

>>532450210
Alright, Ill give it a rip

>>532449989
You drop Targets Acquired because chances are it falls off too soon to be nearly as useful when you are spamming BTL anyway. Besides, you get more damage out of Target the Weak, so your priority is fucked if you don't take it instead.

>>532450210
TWBS is a must for Thrust builds, because you lose an obscene amount of damage every time something knocks you out of the heavy attack. It's more than just a QoL crutch (which it is if you use it for anything but Thrust).

>>532450391
You can already DPS down all bosses by just dodging at the correct time. If you need Stance to "trade" with bosses, that is a literal skill issue. The hardest boss to try and trade with is the sword captain due to the cancerous move set, but even that is just a matter of unga bungaing a little less and being patient about waiting for openings. Besides, you're not DPSing down most bosses in 10 seconds unless specifically built for it, and if you are, you still don't need Stance to do it.

>>532449051
Arpigter

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>>532450701
>TWBS is a must for Thrust builds
Not really unless you're doing a stealth Thrust monster killer. If you're just using a normal TH FOTF build, TWBS isn't by any means necessary because FOTF staggers all the non-Ogryn enemies around you anyway, and you can use that when you're about to get smacked and can't dodge.