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previous: >>532277602

Egrimm soon, changers!

I finally did it /twg/, I figured out how to enjoy the Empire
this whole time I had this idea in my head that the campaign doesn't really kick off until I've completely liberated the entire Empire and therefore couldn't really properly enjoy myself until it was done, but I've realized that liberating the Empire IS the campaign. Also I may legitimately be autistic or OCD or something

Thanquol soon, friends!

WE VILL GET MEDIEVAL 3
WE VILL GET BRETONNIA REWORK
WE VILL GET IMPERIAL KNIGHT IN TW:40K and an Abelard mod

Are you playing the beta tomorow ?

Be a good person

>>532410635
>spoiler
Owltrannies are going to be the ratposters of TWW40k-era /twg/, aren't they

>>532410635
>tfw I realize if Owlkek does a crossover with CA for TW40K it will most likely be Dark Heresy, since that will be their current thing to promote

Be a Cathayan person.

>>532411037
literally mt most anticipated game at the moment

Despoilers.

>>532410008 (OP)
Woah there Valten and Archaon ease up on the donuts

>He still has delusions about 40kek
J-U-S-T T-W-O M-O-R-E W-E-E-K-S

>>532411821
No.
https://youtu.be/zwHLWGmMqKU?t=40

>>532410635
>WE VILL GET BRETONNIA REWORK
Yes!

>>532411657
Same here, 2nd place goes to menace by Battle Brothers devs
Loved RT and from what I've heard Owlcat seems to be going in the right direction with DH, making shit less broken with revoval of momentum and more C&C.
DH theme is kino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_Bz_1xa00

>reasons to make a 40k total war
>logic next step after fantasy
>massive demand for it
>several faction's mechanics would just be copy and paste
>would save them from bankruptcy

>reasons not to do 40k
>????

Is there any reason to raze a settlement as a faction that doesn't get explicit bonuses from it? Seems like Occupying is just better even if just to replenish and then destroy it afterwards.

>>532412298
>no annihilation for High and Wood Elves
Basado

>>532412669
Yeah if you sent a weak army to conquer a settlement and you know you're not gonna be able to hold it anyway

>reason to make total war 40k
>eldar pussy > elf pussy
Sold

>>532412796
Why not just occupy anyway? What's the benefit of razing?

>>532412612
>reasons not to do 40k
My imagination isn't good enough to see it work.

>>532412478
>DH theme is kino
True, the composer has made pure bangers using the 40k backdrop

>>532412884
Why is it always NTR?

>>532412612
Uncontrollable trans energy 40k has.
Total war game it must not have.

>>532412996
literally nothing about that is ntr
seek help

>>532412908
you delay the time it's gonna take for the opposite faction to get the settlement back to full strength and also your army can run away which it can't if you occupy

>>532412478
broken? Brother nothing is broken about being able to kill a ||c'tan shard|| in 2 turns

>>532413085
Fantasy has a literal slaanesh faction in it with literal trans demons monstrosities.

>>532413170
The first point makes a little bit of a difference, but
can't you just move your army out of the settlement even if you occupy it? I don't think it costs movement.

>>532413126
If an elf/eldar man was fucking a human woman you would say it is

>>532413358
do you know what ntr is?

>>532413409
>umm akshually
Stop being pedantic

How the fuck aren't unit caps part of the base game, even as optional setting? Are people really that simple minded that they prefer playing campaigns using only 2-3 units each game instead of full roster?

>>532413305
Fairly certain it can't and on top of that, you'll still be in range to be pulled into defending the settlement if it is attacked

>>532410853
how so?

>>532413513
it's not pedantic to separate two completely different things
if you think racemixing = ntr you spend too much time on /gif/
they are two different fetishes

>>532413628
Every army I make is varied and I didn't need to mod that in
The game is (poorly) balanced around gold cost of units, the only problem is that chaff units doing their job is too annoying in campaign because of replenishment/rerecruitment/lost ranks

>>532413628
You know you can just get a mod for it or.
Listen to me saar. Just recruit more than 3 different units

>>532413914
ok
Why is it always racemixing?
Why is two elves fucking "impossible to self insert into" but a bodybuilder isn't?

>>532413628
Unit caps are cancer from Steel Fag Overfaul. All they do is make the AI easier to stomp, reduce army diversity, and stifle player creativity.
The game was meant to be played with normal recruitment, and unit cap users are missing out on cool enemy late game armies normal players get to fight, like the dread Kislev Streltsi/Grom gun lines or whatever the fuck late game daniel's insanity is.

Noldorfag...

>>532413936
>>532414028

I just wish the game rewarded you for using varied units and punished you for spamming single one. Right now it's the exact opposite and to me is more about shitty game design rather than personal preference, and should not be left to the player to fix with mods.

>>532414108
racial fetishists are natural ntr enthusiasts, but ntr is much bigger
there are many types of ntr
you just see a lot of racemixing ntr on 4chan because, well, you know

>>532414374
I am the sequel
But I like mods

>>532414363
>that shit
>cool
Lmao

There are like two healthy couples in this game
Vlad/Isabella
Alarielle/Tyrion
Discussing any other romance is cringe and degenerate.

>>532414363
Empire seems to go particularly nuts with Landships and Steam Tank spam

>>532414558
>Alarielle/Tyrion
she's cheating on her husband
how's that healthy

>>532412612
>>logic next step after fantasy
The logical next step is Warhammer 4.

>>532412612
>reasons not to do 40k
It will be nu-40k

>>532414551
>doesn't want to play against the actual Hordes of Chaos faction at its full potential
>needs to add unit caps so that half of each Daniel stack is marauders
Why even play Warhammer total war?

>>532414639
mixed bag
some of his stuff is funny

>>532414558
Valkia and Karanak

>>532414740
She's not cheating, Tyrion is her official concubine. They also canonically fall in love on a classic fantasy quest through enemy territory to save all of Ulthuan. It's completely healthy.

>>532414968
Its actual cheating though.
Even worse Finubar likes Tyrion yet he still does it.

>>532414740
The Phoenix Kang is only meant to cum inside the current Everqueen once or until she gets pregnant for the future Everqueen.

They're not mandated to be husband and wife though some Phoenix Kangs wifed their Everqueens and some did not.

>>532415192
>until she gets pregnant for the future Everqueen.
And who is Aliathra's father

>>532415270
Tyrone, not Finubar's fault that he didn't get a kid off her.

>>532413628
The main utility of units cap is for the AI not the players (players should be able ton control themselves).

>Helves are the most ntr coded faction
Yikes CA needs to pivot from Aislin

>>532414558
Morathi / Sulephet ???

>>532412612
>reasons not to do 40k
>leaks said they couldn't even fucking get ww1 to work

>marries Finubar because of Phoenix Cuck shit
>rapes Tyrion while hes weak and injured and makes him her consort, has a child with him
>marries her supposed lovers' worst enemy inspite of how he sent a Keeper of Secrets to try and rape her once
>AoS shows she abandoned Tyrion despite both making into the new world for Kurnous
Whore

>>532412884
Sorry, I prefer blueberries.

>>532415597
What does ntr coded even mean? I need to update my vocabulary.

>"I'm done cheating now i'm with you Tyrion, trust me".

>AoS shows

>>532415597

>>532415984
coded in ntr

>>532415424
Have you ever played on L/VH difficulty?
>lol just don't play on the hardest difficulty then
Why can't I have both? You can basically defend any poor game design choice by dumping all the responsibility of making the gameplay fun on the player.

Kinda similar to shitty argument people made in WH2 where melee infantry was fucking useless on higher difficulties thanks to the poorly designed cheats AI got.
>want to recruit melee infantry? just play on lower difficulties lol

>>532416215
Fucked up Dwarf tism but not cheating. cope

>>532415984
Just know you have to be on the right side of the NTR.

>>532412884
this, but a less gay spess muhreen

>>532416535
what if I self insert as a third party enjoying the shadenfreunde

>>532413409
I think he got his perception warped by this

>>532416535
Wanting another man to watch you while you fuck is even weirder

>>532416535
>>532416535
true ntr is watching loving sex between a happily married couple

>all this cuckold cope

>>532416863
All 100% true unironically

>>532417216
this image depicts ntr but not cuckoldry

>>532415665
Alariel isn't actually alive in AoS, it's just Isha that happened to use her flesh because she was the last one with a shard of her during ET.

She's not even biologically an elf, you can cut her bodyparts off for saplings and tree people grow out of them

>>532417394
How? In the schizopost it says "Valerie is an atheist to demoralize white atheist men", but she isn't. "Atheists" in Pathfinder believe in gods, but just don't worship them, they are just called atheists even though they are apatheists.

>>532417651
It is true

>>532416863
Can any lorefags or people that follow GW confirm or deboonk any of this?

>>532412612
>>reasons not to do 40k
CA takes a year to make three lords and a handful of units now, you really think they have what it takes to make a whole new game from scratch?

>>532414740
Is it really wrong if her husband's okay with it?

Chorfish mortars wrecking one of their own units almost every big battle is the only semblance of the pretty extensive infighting/misfire rules of tabletop WH that made it into the video game.

>>532418308
the three lords are gonna have interesting, unique and innovative mechanics

actually Chorf blunderbusses and the flamethrower on the Daemon's Tongue RoR will often wreck your own infantry too.

>>532418540
Yes.

Burgerstan hours...

>>532418553
there's a couple of units that explode when they die, steamtanks come to mind

>>532418308
That's with a skeleton crew though, a new game has their whole might on it.

>Epidemius declares war on me
>rolls up to an undefended city
>gives me the plague
>leaves

Playing Malakai feels so ridiculous with his airship stance
I'm just going around sacking shit and then replenishing without any worries
Also using the airship in sieges against chaos is hilarious

>>532420904
Skaven plagues are unironically more dangerous than Nurglish ones cause they have a higher chance of giving your units attrition iirc

Holy shit CA
Do you expect me to read an entire fucking G&F novel during loading?

do any of the total war games actually have good siege experiences for both the attacker and defender

>>532421617
grave guard are not ghouls, they are wraiths. Ghouls count as living creatures in TT. Fucking Black Library authors.

>>532421846
pharoah

When the siege rework shit comes, people are unironically going to whine that storming settlements is too hard without arse ladders and/or they'll complain that a defensive fortress whose goal is to be difficult to assail is difficult to assail.

How fun are the wood elves campaign nowadays? do i need the sisters or the vanilla lords are fine?

>>532422436
It will be their own fault for not playing DHRATH DJARR and so getting wall breaches by default.

>>532421617
Have you considered the absolute state of building PC's in 2025 and the loading times of the average player as a result? The whole recent Iran fiasco happened during me loading a turn 40 campaign

>>532422436
i've realized these past few threads many warhammer fans are just on a level of retarded i didn't imagine possible, they genuinely want siege battles to be easy to cheese and to not require preparation in the form of building siege equipment, bringing artillery, etc.

>>532421871
Ghouls sounds cool tho so i forgive it desu

>>532422436
>When the siege rework comes for the 4th time in the WH series, sieges will still be complete ass but this time they've also ratfucked the autoresolve meter so you're actually forced to deal with them

ftfy

>>532422496
the base lords are all fun, the only reason you would need the dlc is if you specifically are interested in the dlc units or the lord
I like Drycha the best but she also doesn't use elves much

>>532422738
i think most people just got used to moving quickly, at least one settlement a turn, because the ai cheats so much
it's better to go out and knock them out instead of turtling up and getting overwhelmed

>>532422818
Is anything actually wrong with sieges apart from "waaa attacking a defensive settlement filled with chokepoints and killzones by design" is more difficult than corner camping? Ok, pathing can be improved.

>>532423217
those people are just going to keep assladders on anyways so i don't know why they're crying this hard

>>532422496
I love their roster but their campaign is just literally waiting for trees to grow.

>>532423337
People mostly want some morr features: artillery on walls, spiders climbing walls and ghosts passing through walls, the gate bug

>>532423337
Havng move orders cancelled by walls being built, ultra size unit scale means a single unit can barely walk down a street outside of pencil formation, infantry break defenses fatser than units with siege attacker, the optimal startegy for any army currently is to blob all infantry at the gate and either grind or spell bomb the clumps of enemies, meaning the battle is decided at the gate.

>>532422436
This change means nothing for attacker actually, the way you should fight sieges doesn't even utilize ladders and shorter range on towers mean maneuver combat cheese is back on menu.
Until we get multilayered walls nothing really will change for attacker during siege.

this is the future of warhammer sieges

>>532425148
Sounds good to me desu

>>532425148
Outposts would be cool in warhammer.

>>532423941
the shitty mobilegame real time tower and wall building for starters at least

I'm actually offended by how smug this offer is. I can just imagine their time-traveling bronze age pharaoh sneering at the news that our army was marching against them, daring to defy his mighty dynasty which stands upon thousands of years of history.
anyway time to kill them with pointy sticks

>>532425303
outposts scare me and I'm glad that they aren't in Warhammer but they're a nice feature

>>532416683
>less gay
>literally in bathtub with the eldars kind known for pegging

Have I served Khorne, /twg/? And more importantly, will Skarbrand finally be forgiven?

>>532426415
you missed a spot

>>532426415
it is done.

>>532426753
Not sure why it's not showing up on that map but all regions are painted red.

>>532426759
how many armies did you finish with at the end since there aren't any supply lines?

Why is Kemmler evil? And what is its problem that he's the one out of 3 undead races he is the sub subfaction leader who seems to like chaos?

>>532427198
isn't he named after himmler or something

>>532427032
17 main armies. Rest are blood hosts or stacks I recruited to hunt down roaming armies.

>>532427198
>why is a murderous necromancer evil?
Also he made a pact with the Chaos gods to restore his sanity. that's why he has a connection to Chaos

>>532421871
?

>>532427198
He's a very early character from before the rules of the setting were completely solidified.

>>532427587
>>532427587
>hy is a murderous necromancer evil?
Yes BUT why is he a murderous necromancer ?

>>532423337
The ass-ladders.

>>532427767
He wanted to become immortal but didn't wanna become a vampire since he dislikes them and wants to achieve it on his own.

>>532427198

Is there a mod to just allow you to decisively auto resolve all offensive sieges, I cannot be fucking bothered to play one more of these fucking boring things. I'm so tired of dealing with line of sight or fucked up pathing because these Londonistan Jeets can't code for fucking shit.

>>532424429
Settra rules? More like Settra LOSES kek!

>>532427663
it used to be that way in 8th tho

>>532428742
just turn the battle difficulty down to easy and then press auto resolve

>>532428742
Play a melee based faction you scrub.
Lower difficulty to very easy before sieges to get a favorable auto-resolve

unpopular opinion: I like sieges. But I will probably like them even more after the fix.

>>532430006
I don't see how they're literally the worst thing ever like most of the fanbase seem to but they're not my favorite in the series either. They're ok.

May mommy Grace have mercy on my depraved soul and spare me her wrathful female gaze, I want to fuck the female Legendary Lords soooo fucckinngghhh baaaaaaaaaaaad!!!! ARRRGHH Morathi's big bottom sex fuck fuck creampie in Sisters' pussies FUCK Repanse the Lyonesse and rub Elspeth's breasts while kissing Katarin and Meow Meow hnngnghgh n nghg sex sex sex slake my lust and call me daddy bitches I am the master of TOTAL WAR

>>532429161
looks very the same in 8th.

>>532430387
What total war has worse sieges? I have played Med 1, Attila, 3 Kingdoms, Warhammer and Pharoh and warhammer by far has the worst sieges with useless siege equipment, useless walls,and terrible maps.

>>532431552
Empire and Napoleon are without a doubt the worst in the series. I could probably think of others but I'm tired right now.
My favorites have been Attila, Shogun 2 and Med 2 although those of course had their problems.

>>532423337
AI and pathfinding are fucked, you don't ever get to fight defensive sieges because the AI will only ever doomstack a shitty settlement or besiege and force you to sortie, wall towers are insanely stupid where supply towers/barricades are dogdick, no really viable way to break into the city like in older titles making assladders almost a necessity (and even optimal due to how shitty and clunky siege towers and rams are), things promised/mentioned since g1 like ethereal units going through walls and artillery/weapons teams on the walls not being implemented (ironically enough, at least in wh2, mods were able to do this last one - a random polack in windows98 working for free can do something that CA has "engine limitations" in achieving), maps scale even worse than usual with unit size, I can go on. In a way it's not too different from wh2 abusing deadzones and expending ammo/winds->retreat/repeat, but on the other end of the sucks scale.

Have you actually did anything besides autoresolve a siege?

>>532427523
Nah some 1500's Catholic priest who wrote a big compendium of demons and shit, so the edgy nerds who wrote Warhammer liked him. Funny coincidence that he sounds like the architect of the holocaust, which is fitting for a super necromancer.

>>532426341
>he thinks being pegged is gay

ishygddt

Remember what they took from you
https://youtu.be/sCxg01RC4EI?si=7NUATtNjb3pjPXD3

Are verminlords in yet?

>>532432349
holy shit he wrote the Malleus Maleficarum. I had no idea.

>>532432239
Reminder that during the first AI beta the AI would actually attack you in settlements (sometimes even if it couldn't win) but it was canned because Franzfags bitched that every minor Empire faction wasn't around 70 turns into the campaign for their shitty HRE larp.

>>532432468
Yes

>>532431698
>artillery on walls
>infantry will carry ropes to climb the walls and their use is actually animated rather than just spawning in ropes from nowhere
>buildings you can garrison
>deployables like mines, stakes, trenches
Unironically mogs warhammer
>but muh empire ai bad
The AI in warhammer cant even man the walls properly.

>>532432836
reminder that you can turn off minor faction potential to still have empire minor factions be destroyed but you are intent on malding over empirechads

>>532432447
If they would just remaster m2 i would never like back
But that fucking camera is so bad

>>532431698
>I could probably think of others
You can't, those are the only games worse than WH3. WH3 sieges are genuinely bottom tier.

>>532433123
neat ideas but it was a clusterfuck. Trust me I like Empire. I've played the shit out of Darthmod but I prefer Warhammer 1, 2 and 3 sieges over that shit. The AI is completely unresponsive in Empire sieges. Most of the time you make a hole and then wait while your line infantry gun down the enemy inside who is constantly repositioning whilst mortars are raining down on them. In offensive sieges you watch as the enemy stands under your walls and get shot to shit.

>>532433384
perhaps you're right.

>>532433159
I liked the option of fighting defensive sieges that weren't multiple enemy stacks vs settlement garrison, it's a shame people with NPC-tier taste in factions had to ruin it for everyone else.

>>532432948
I don't see them?

Do you play really fast or really slow for legendary campaigns?

>>532433515
You have to complete the 13th scheme to unlock one for recruitment

>>532433497
can you actually link to patchnotes talking about any of these changes and directly relating them to empire players or are you just determined to have a schizo meltdown about empire players somehow ruining the AI beta every chance you get, this is at least 3 times now

weird I typed totalwar on the catalog and it was linking another thread for some reason
Anyways I'm trying to play total war 3k but the new UI style confuses me, instead of having 20 unit cards you get like one big one and then you can add "retinues" which are like sub units for the big units. Do you get used to that? I read ages ago in this general that you can use the old style UI, which one do you use?

>he's back
I'm ready this time but I already tried riding out to meet him twice, lost both times and had to savescum. praying a garrison makes the difference

>>532433123
city battles in empire were fun. star forts were total cancer. I wish warhammer had copied settlements without defenses built getting maps with buildings but no walls. did minor settlement battles used to be different?

>>532433685
I got used to but I still don't like it. I use the new style UI because knowing what units are in what retinue are important because of what stat buffs and new abilities they get from their general.

>>532426415
So...who do I play now? I'm stumped after that mega campaign

>>532433630
I already nuked all of the stupid fucking elf forest in one turn, surely that's similar enough.

>>532433590
>legendary
Lmao

>>532433860
I'll give it a real chance I guess, do a short cao cao campaign maybe if he's the noob designated guy

>>532433632
No I can't link you CA directly saying "we killed the AI beta because of faggots who only play Karl Franz" retard. That's what the majority of negative feedback was across discussion platforms. However unlike you I actually played it and had a good time.
They do however say that minor factions died off too fast which literally nobody else cares about: https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/68-total-war-warhammer-iii-update-on-patch-6-1-campaign-ai-beta
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a schizo btw
Also I like the minor faction potential since it's cool to see non LL factions in mid/late game.

>>532433689
he pulled a second army out of his ass on turn shift. it's over

>>532434151
so it sounds like your theory that they completely neutered siege attacks just for franz players was in fact just a schizo theory as i said, they only added minor faction potential in a later update and then that ended up an optional toggle in the final patch anyways. you're a schizo because you have laser focused on empire players ruining your dumb beta multiple times now, empire players literally live in your head rent free. i want to know what faction you do mostly play because based on your behavior i have a few good guesses

>>532434028
PWEASE

How do I play as Chaos? The first 20 turns go mediocre, then I bite more than I can chew because I have fucking marauders on any army that isn't Archaon's (who isn't using high tier stuff either) and then I get raped and my campaign ends while I say to myself next time for sure.

>>532434748
Which LL? Post army, campaign map, experiences etc. And marauders are basically just chaff for any LL, Archaon doesn't make them particularly good or so. They're there to absorb damage and the lucky ones get to be upgraded eventually. I recommend getting some marauder horsemen, they're nice to micro about at the start of battles to whittle down, scout, and waste enemy time.

>>532434591
nta but the amount of pandering ca does to empire players so they can collect their elector counts is insane
>the empire is proportionally larger than any other continent except maybe cathay
>lots of empty space in terms of LLs
>creating an entire setting in the menu (which we have very little of) to keep minor ai factions alive
>several reworks

>>532433590
Not sure what you mean but in legendary campaign difficulty you must be insanely aggressive most of the time.

>>532434996
So I have to be lightning fast and can't slowly consolidate...

>>532434958
none of those have to do with collecting the elector counts except the minor faction option retard-kun, in fact as "empty" as the space is now it actually used to be easier in wh2 to collect them.

>>532422436
There's numerous problems with sieges but the most relevant to your post is that the game is biased to make you the attacker in 99% of situations. The cowardly pussy shit AI doesn't even attack you without an overwhelming advantage so even if sieges are designed to be blissfully fun as a defender against an equal force, it will never EVER come up in campaign. So the defensive buffs are nearly always irrelevant for the player, even if they fixed everything (except the campaign level AI) defending sieges will never be fun, because it's always your shitty garrison with an irrelevant spellcaster and shit like chariots, clanrats, and swordsmen vs 3+ stacks, and holding an army in a settlement makes the battles cramped plus you're paying for an army to do nothing if it's just defending (with some exceptions, of course). If you turn every settlement into an unassailable bastion, the player is going to burn out so much faster because every conquest is now shackled to waiting for 2 turns of replenishment and an annoying 40 minute battle. If you turn the settlements into cotton candy worthless shit, someone will bitch that they couldn't hold it. The biggest blackpill is that nothing will change from this siege rework, there are much bigger problems with pathfinding, gatebugs, capture points, etc. Breaching the walls should happen in the first like 40% of a siege battle, but once you breach the walls the battle is more like 80% over. Auto-resolve is kind of a problem since offensive sieges are super punishing for what can be easy victories, and taking an autoresolve L on defense is the right answer 99% of the time.

>>532434748
marauders ain't that bad, with archaon what I do is take the first slaaneshi crap, then go deal with boris right away so he doesn't become a problem, then march south, for praag and whatever, I even kill throgg for the %hp buff he gives because archaon at one point can solo everything. Take the free gift units the chaos dudes give you, the hellcannon early on is super useful. Money is irrelevant, everything is irrelevant, just go kill shit and take dark fortresses
at that point you just fight everything in sight and subjugate/raze and take all the dark fortresses, you'll have the chaos NATO and friends and they can win the game for you

>>532435059
you maybe can turtle if you play dwarfs and build the deeps or squat in your trees as the wood elves
but for every other faction? you need to be on the move and knock out nearby threats asap
the ai cheats a lot on legendary so you need to able to not only move fast, taking at least one settlement a turn, but also be prepared to fight multiple armies to your own
you can consolidate after you manage to win yourself some breathing room with allies or what not but the beginning ~20 turns need to be fast

>>532435379
> it actually used to be easier in wh2 to collect them
comprimises must be made of course, they can't base the entire game off empire players but the amount of favoritism is undeniable
whereas other minor factions are allowed to be replaced with incoming legendary lords, the elector counts must NEVER be touched, heaven forbid

>>532434591
I barely even play in or around the Empire most of the time. It's just shit that the rest of the map has to suffer so Timmy can confederate the Moot on turn 97 without issues.
I play a bunch of different factions regularly but as the resident expert on schizos I'm sure you know more about me than I do.
That beta was a lot of fun, I'm sad you never got a chance to play it.

>>532435675
because there's an actual major mechanic surrounding them and the vast majority are actual characters of which several have more lore than some of the lls they've added? the people who whine and shit their diapers over empire players are far worse than empire players have ever been

>>532414108
Because its officially condoned by GW, Eldar pussy was meant to be colonized by the Imperium of Man, the true endgoal, defeating Chaos is just secondary

I'm doing a Malus Darkblade campaign where I beeline to Empire lands and slaughter them

>>532393117
QRD these LLs?
Also, would be cool if they added some narrative flavour but on the campaign and specifically with the new 3 factions interacting with each other. I'm sort of a newbie in terms of warhammer lore (and the total war games overall), first dlc they made since i started playing was the OoD and it was... fine i guess. So i can't really make up anything beyond the concept of making up something (lol) but...

How would (You), /twg/ anons, do that with these 3? if you were asked by CA to do so. Like a small narrative to link the 3 factions. If they (or (You) ) pulled it off then that would be something else cool to look forward to in next dlcs

hard mode: don't tell me to kill myself

Why is Zheng Jiang so fun?

>>532435706
i don't care about betas and will never participate in them, you have offered no evidence for the map suffering at all except your likely delusions on the ai somehow sieging more before the ebul empire players ruined it. your only proof was them saying they were going to let minor factions survive longer in a future beta and then that ended up being a completely optional toggle in the actual patch.

>>532435908
gameplay > lore
the mechanic would still work just fine if BigDickSupreme, Bane of Sigmar, started in place of an elector count, you could just wipe them out or something to get the elector position

>>532434748
Chaos Lords instead of Sorc Lords are way better early on. Those guys and aspiring champions are absolutely ridiculous in auto-resolve as well as being good in manual battles. WoC don't have supply lines so you should really be recruiting 3 more lords to follow Archaeon around and get some exp and bonus loot, make sure one is a caster lord and assign him to Nurgle so he can heal later on. For most undivided lords I like taking the redline points for mortal infantry and warbeasts, that way your marauders are more likely to survive to become chosen/knights and trolls, spawn, and doggos get better too.

>>532436051
dechaala is friends with arbaal!
in end times they team up and they become a super big problem

>>532436193
I could bother to point out that the patch that added that toggle was months later after a second AI beta and you have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll just hit you with
>pic related

>>532436384
damn I'm a malekith only player

>>532436384
and based on your link the second AI beta was about adding better minor faction survivability. which, once again, is a completely optional toggle in the actual real game. but keep posting words words words memes to seethe over your strawman enemy every thread

>>532436120
She has some pretty strong exclusive units and shes what most other Champions wished they were

>>532436630
I literally hadn't posted in months before the last thread but I'm glad you are winning against your imaginary enemies. A lot of people have bias against Franz/Empire in general because of how popular the faction is.
You should try the betas though they are good fun. I'm looking forward to the siege beta tomorrow.

>>532436051
Sayl is called the Faithless because he has no faith
Dechala is called the Denied One because she has been denied
Aislinn is called the Seafarer because he fares across the sea

>>532436941
no i'm good, i beta test the actual paid dlc they release in a supposedly finished condition as is

>>532437108
I'm the one who denied her by the way, she asked me to have sex and I was like "ew no, I'm only into killing people, taking their skulls and spilling blood"

>>532437127
That's pretty fair honestly. I kind of enjoy the jank that comes with playtesting the updates, I don't usually provide any feedback but it's interesting playing the game with such major changes as they usually get dumbed down for the actual patch.

>>532437226
based

>>532434748
>Which LL?
Archaon
>Post army, campaign map, experiences etc
I don't have any recent ones and I tend to delete all of my saves as soon as I'm done with them because I remember them eating quite a lot of space back when I played Total War: Warhammer 2.
But how it usually goes is I fuck off to the east or to the west of the chaos wastes with my main army, then someone from the side I didn't go to declares war on me while I'm engaging whoever I was fighting with on my side. I either very quickly lose my gains coming back to protect my more developed home or try to hold off a more powerful enemy with my poorly equipped secondary army with maybe a chaos warrior or two, a hero, some aspiring champions and 17 regiments of naked fuck with a stick. Then I either lose everything I fought for and get annoyed and quit or lose my capital and get annoyed and quit.

>>532434940
I replied to myself like a retard. >>532437387

Gonna start another Empire campaign, ofc the only choice is Franz

>>532436051
kys

men of little faith

>>532437759
KINO

I FOMO'd and preordered Wuchang after not having had a good soulslike to play for so long that I actually got back into total war. I know it's gonna be good because every Modern American (tm) review spends 1/5th to 1/3rd of it bitching about the protagonist's outfit.

See you after the ""siege"" """""rework""""", gamers.

Going to play the siege beta as Skrag, bypass walls exactly the same as before and trample my food with stonehorns and crushers. Then give the most dogshit unhelpful feedback and tips to TCALUK afterwards.

>>532438208
Wasn't everyone disappointed with Stellar Blade's gameplay or am I misremembering?

>>532437387
I typically go West as Archaon, I even have a save with him still from a few days ago that I've paused; been doing others currently. Tamurkhan typically holds up but doesn't declare war on me in my runs. South usually okay at least for a while. The Norsca there typically dies early to the Chorfs but Arbaal holds up and the Chorfs go to Kislev/Malakai. But yeah you want to kill the first minor Slaanesh first then Boris ASAP, he's the hardest part early game. Then I wipe out everybody on the way to Malekith and Vassalise all Chaos I can.

Be sure to check recruitment in each province you can each turn, even if you don't own the province. For example in the aforementioned campaign I had a couple of armies roaming around to pick up good units (e.g. giant, manticore, aspirings) from neighbours and owned territory to just feed into Archaon's army. Always have maximum gifts up, too, Archaon's soul income is insane and you can afford to keep all slots filled permanently.

Who specifically declares war on you each time that isn't obvious (e.g. Boris will declare war on you)? I find Archaon campaigns early game are samey, it's up to me to make them different (e.g. going South instead).

>>532438208
>soulslop
lol

>>532438298
>not killing Tamurkhan early so you can either rescue Kholek and/or take his lands for free

>>532438294
SB was coopted by grifters bitching about sexy designs.

You could say "disappointed" because it doesn't really bring anything new or groundbreaking to the table - it plays like a polished Platinum game but with a heavy "souls" emphasis on perfect parrying/dodging.

When it comes to souls I get the feeling a lot of reviewers are just getting fatigued, if a game is "good" but doesn't bring anything new they just discard it or call it trash. Look at how hard Wukong was shilled against in Europe/US for example

>playing Drazhoath
>hit 60 settlements captured
>realize I forgot to destroy Karak Kadrin like I'd planned since I've been in random border wars for the entire game
Should I peace out Greasus and Ghorst and get it over with? Or finish them off, get pulled into a new war with Chinks now that we share a border and get bogged down again?

>>532438652
>go West to kill Boris (top priority) to then waste time going East because...?
Great one, anon. Real useful to the other guy who is struggling with Archaon and seeking advice.

>>532438842
This is how it feels to play Tamurkhan desu, Greasus needs to be wiped out by Tamurkhan, guess what happens when you wipe him out and you now have 3 strong factions that are in an alliance bordering you and have a strong aversion towards you will do.

>>532438298
>Archaon's soul income is insane and you can afford to keep all slots filled permanently.
That's a bit of a problem too, I'm not sure if it's because I don't recruit enough army and focus too much on my chaos fortresses or if I spend too much time fighting other chaos factions but I seem to run out not too long after starting (I'll say around turn 18 to 22).
>>532438652
That's how my last chaos run ended, fucked off to the west with my Archaon army and then Tamurkhan brutalized me and my vassal despite having some chaos warriors, some aspiring champions, 2 chaos lords of each flavor and 2 heroes of each flavor at level 17 thanks to an event that let me get recruit them at level 15.

Do you think someone made a Japanese faction for TWW3?

>mfw medieval2 modding is dead
Reeeee

>>532440697
it is still unmatched in terms of mods and it's not even close, it had a very good run

>>532440803
Only two mods being worked on is datw (dead on arrival, bioware killed all good will left) and wtw (never conving out)

>>532438842
the Ogres are always assholes
the Chinks are an apocalyptic threat and they've usually got Gelt too
fuck those people
I wanna go to Nuln and Ulthuan

>>532432349
the holowhat? never heard of it

Are Hellcannons (I like the regiment of renown ones) and Magma cannons worth it when playing as chaos dwarfs? I'm sure they're fine for the early game when you don't have much else to get but not so much about late game when you have Dreadquakes and enough armaments to afford as many Deathshriekers as you want.

>>532441865
hellcannons and magma cannons are kinda ok at shooting single entities or cavalry

>>532442160
hellcannons are worth it for backup armies because they use a different armory slot

>>532441865
hellcannons are essential anti-large tools for the chorfs, they're much better than deathshriekers because their missiles auto-correct their course to an extent like a fireball. Chorfs don't have enough anti large so I bring 2 and just 1 dreadquake in a typical army

Which faction has the cutest ojiisans asking for someone else

>>532442740
yes that's another benefit, a separate armaments slot
i think my usual armies always had this core:
2 iron demon dreadquakes
1 deathshriek
1 hell cannon
2 fireglaives
2 blunderbuss
4 melee infantry - whatever is available from armaments, never go for the great weapon variant
then fill the rest with heroes, bulls, cows, demons, etc. as fits your armaments
i usually prefer separate hobgobbo armies

>>532443016
Deathshrieker missiles don't autocorrect? Maybe it's a recent patch but it's my first time playing them and I've been using them like an SPAA against cathayan pegasus fuckers. They have a better hit rate than my OSA does in Warno.

>>532443063
Agamemnon

>>532444172
deathshriekers are basically useless against all but large blobs until they gain a couple of ranks because their accuracy is terrible

>>532443587
>be designated artillery faction
>single entity artilery
I hate MPniggers so much
All of those should be a 4-piece per unit

Miao Ying's campaign sucks

Man every time I finish a long campaign I'm reminded why I usually stop at short.
The game is so over and solved by turn 60ish that I don't even bother with most of the mechanics. I'm just slogging to whatever the condition is as fast as possible.

>>532445356
>4piece dreadquake

so this is the power of lead in the drinking water pipes....woah....

>>532444617
Are hellcannons that good against cavalry? Them being single shot and not having all that much explosive doesn't seem like a good fit for it, even with two of them they've reached my lines faster than I was done with them while extra infernal guard seem like a much better fit for the role if they're gonna be the clean up crew anyways for the 40 odd models that are still here despite the bombings.
If you mean single entity monsters or lords on fast movers I just tested them in a custom battle,19 of them (rank 0)against an empire lord on a pegasus, a relatively fast and small unit I'm sure you'll agree, around 17 got to fire, of those there were with missiles 5 and 7, around 10 hits and the rest seemed to be on their way to impact him but he died before that. Of course that's too many missiles but the point was illustrating their hit rate was alright.

Who ya’ playing as tomorrow for the beta?
I’m leaning Festus, Epidemius, Kugath, or maybe a chorf of some variety

>>532445356
they were designed that way, the Chorfs are not numerous in the fluff

>>532445356
>4 model dreadquake unit
lmao nah fuck that
>inb4 queen bess should be 4 too!
There ought to be more variety in these games. Give some 2 model, 3 model etc artillery too.

>>532446442
It's all completely irrelevant anyway as auto-resolving sieges is well worth like 2% more casualties in exchange for half an hour of your life.

Someone PLEASE TELL THIS NIGGA TO STOP

>>532412612
>reasons not to do 40k
They can't possibly make a workable starmap.

the pointy stick strategy was a huge success! just like alexander would have done! :p

>>532446442
MING YIAO

>>532447346
>Imagine being friendly and quirky instead of mad cause sad

>>532447538
big campaign map with planetary sub-maps

Is the Chaos Invasion in Mortal Empires as lame as the endgame crises in IE?

>>532447538
>galaxy-wide
everything's irrelevant, too small for any detail, planets conquered after 20 minutes fighting in one map would be deeply unsatisfying in the long run. Space battles guaranteed to have to be made here and they'd probably be all of your "field battles" with making planetfall just being a siege battle.
>sector
could work, maybe like ~20 planets with 2 to 4 regions, maybe only one region per planet has some kind of space access allowing you to have some kind of defensive strategy possible, but it'd be esoteric and confusing, campaign would probably have to be so digital there wouldn't be enough granularity as to how you march/fly an army around, would have to maneuver like DoW.
>one planet
would be kino, could have lots of depth, but they can't possibly fit the grand scale of the setting here, and that'd make 40kiddies cry, there'd probably be some fucktarded mcguffin story hook that CA would invest too much time in to the detriment of everything else. Playing tyrannids or druchii here wouldn't really capture the whole fantasy of demolishing planets or raiding across the stars.

>we’ll never get the chaos invasion endgame crisis
>or any other new ones ever
>but hey heres le $35 end times dlc if you want that shit

>>532424116
I like to RP as if id taken the oath of Feanor but with the special trees when im playing as WE. I declare war on any non-WE who occupies one instantly. we shall pursue to the death any creature who has a magical forest in the possession.

>>532448345
Chaos invasion in ME was either hell or totally irrelevant depending on how far south you were. It definitely wasn't the greatest thing ever, and many campaigns of mine defeated the chaos invasion without me personally ever dealing with it, but it had potential. I think especially with how many daemon and WoC factions there are it should make a return, and pull most of them off the map and have them appear at turn 100, the map is too cramped already. For example, AI Skulltaker makes most of Lustria pretty unfun, but if he would only show up at turn 100 from like the Mung area or over by Vilitch, it'd be more thematic, loreful, and less annoying to deal with him than on turn 6 with shit units. Or if like rifts would appear with 10 turns of warning, and the game showed you what units would be in the army that popped out, I think rifts could still appear without being infuriating like they were in RoC.

>>532448553
There will never be space battles because that is battlefleet gothic, they could always get it but its wildly unlikely

>>532448345
It's much better.

>>532436051
>Aislinn
He likes to lead elvish Einsatzgruppen in Norsca to burn their coastal villages.
He once burned Marienburg harbour because some pirates who (sometime) anchor at Marienburg sacked a small fishing village in Ulthuan.
Ulthuan nobility don't like him because of his ruthlessness (actually because they lost money on the Marienburg story)
Casual racism toward Halfings.
Lost a duel against Lokhir (who obviously cheated no less than three times (no Asur cope, it's literally in the Dark Elves army book)) and his dead body was thrown into the sea, only to be washed up on the shore a few months later uninjured but without memory of the past months.
May be blessed my Mathlann, god of the sea.
if very old canon from the 80's is still canon, may have a lieutenant who had gay sex with a Dwarf sailor

What sound does a storm dragon make when this legendary campaign is too hard

>that point in the campaign that you already achieved short campaign victory, but moving your armies to achieve long campaign victory would take like, 10 turns back to back, so you kinda just give up
Also end turn times have been reaching close to a minute, which makes everything worse

>>532449247
sex noises

>>532449186
What era did the manlets and knife ears stop killing one another after the War of the Beard?

>>532448553
I will be a system with some planets, moons, maybe a star base, a meteor field and other points of interest.

Haven't played with DE since before Rakarth released, any changes I should be aware of?

goddamn nurgle is fucking broken on the battlefield

Should I uncheck this?

>>532450549
If you want to have more predictability and less chaos within and between each campaign, sure.

>>532450669
Which one makes it more dynamic? With Minor Faction Potential enabled or disabled?

>you can specify a skill to like use a specific icon
>but if you make that skill give any sort of abilities associated with it it instead overwrites the skill icon and juat uses the icon of the ability that it adds instead
I have decided to destroy CA with extreme preujudice

>>532450790
It just slows down the legendary lord ai, main factions will still stomp minor ones, it will just take longer since they have less autoresolve weight.

>>532449894
Slaves are a resource that you grab and burn for growth/control in a province, or cash. Naggarond is insanely strong with -25% upkeep on basic troops like sharts, coupled with the tech buffs and inherent reduction in upkeep cost on blarks lets you get shart stacks out sacking and earning you slaves and money, for almost no upkeep, much earlier. With enough slaves and cash you can take settlements and slam them up to t5 in a handful of turns, so you can really quickly paint the map if you please later on. There's no more cheese with stacking all slaves into one province anymore, that got poached by the chorfs, so masters can go into your armies now, and they're pretty good. Assassins are still much better on the map than in armies imo, but I've gotten decent use out of them in battles before too. I'd probably recommend Naggarond, think his campaign is the most fun and stays fun, just have to solve his first conundrum with Grombrindal and Valkia, and then you can raid the world or capture Ulthuan or both.

>>532449894
Yeah they totally changed the Slaves economy from Provinces to faction wide.

What the fuck happened to all the fucking Empire maps, I'm trying Elspeth and it's nothing but the same fucking three over and over

>>532450790
minor faction potential enabled makes it more dynamic

>>532440697
Most of them suck, just stick to vanilla lite ones, the overhauls like Warhammer and 3O are shit compared to the actual Total War games based off it

>>532449373
Elves left the old world in -1500 during the second Dark Elves invasion, shortly after the end of the war with the Dwarfs (funnily the last battles themselves against the Dwarfs were in -1600).
Elves tried reopen relation with the Dwarfs around 2000 when Finubar was send as explorator.

>>532451756
>>532451817
Thanks.

>>532449021
>battlefleet gothic
GOD, can you imagine, this would be the space equivalent of naval battles, itd be more fun than actual Total War gameplay

Man everyone's gonna hate me
I'll be the Lich King

throgg, malektih, kairos.... daniel. for some reason i can't really fw lizardmen even though i dont really like human factions or face really

>>532410008 (OP)
Why do I suck as Chaos so much?
Sigvald?
Arbaal the Undefeated?
Kholek?
etc

>>532454130
I don't know, why do you?
what problems are you having?

I only pick human factions because humans are the ones that carry fantasy settings, fantasy races are mainly NPCs

>>532448553
Honestly I hope they don't do TW 40k but one planet is something that's already been shown to work in Dark Crusade on Kaurava.

is lore of stealth still completely worthless?

>>532454382
humans are for rape

>>532454538
it's the same as it ever was but if you don't use it on your eshin armies you're a fag

>>532454506
I agree however 40kiddies will shit and piss if they can't have primarchs fighting each other. It also kind of sucks for the player fantasy of playing Druchii as raiders, and the whole schtick of Tyrannids is raiding one planet alone with their silencing the warp shit, might not even include those factions at all which is another reason for people to bitch, I don't know if CA's ego will let them make a single planet 40k game, no matter how impractical the other options are.

>>532454008
>+30% upkeep
legend would never take that

>>532454538
It's not completely worthless, it's not even terribly bad it's just outshined so hard by warp lightning spam and summoning rats, that taking the sorcerer hero cap spot from a plague priest is bad, taking a spot in the army from a warlock engineer or assassin is bad, using winds that could be used on something else is bad, etc.

>>532454814
Its only in the army of the Lord who has the crown

>>532454130
Is it battles or campaigns that's giving you difficulty? An easy fix for both, total shot in the dark guess, but recruiting a second lord to follow your LL and bait ambushes lets you dominate battles especially with Kholek and a big pile of shaggoths, trolls, knights, which should make campaigns much better if you can almost trivialize one army each turn.

>install the 1 point for full lightning strike mod
>install the mod that makes it so you dont suffer vigor penalties
Now its gaming time

>>532455402
yes and he would still never take it

>>532454814
>>532455696
The real reason he wouldnt take it is for the replenishment and raise dead debuffs

>>532455841
In a vampire stack that shit would be totally negated. Heals + SEMs/heroes, especially with regen, makes the perfect Nemesis Crown army.

>>532451403
You're giving CA employees a favour with that

>>532412884
Political marriages hopefully.

>>532457815
i dont understand how this was calculated

>>532454282
Khorne's economy is fucking with me

>>532458498
sacking and battle-loot are what you will have to rely on, they wont really have a steady income like other chaos

is map painting obsession a yuro thing? as an american I just want to build up my home territory and then send massive armies across the map to fuck up whoever I decided my enemy was going to be, but without permanently claiming territory there. supposedly grand strategy is most popular in europe and I noticed when I looked at videos of people playing medieval 2 it was all yuropoors with funny accents matching the faction they were playing as.

>>532459268
Long-winded way of sharing that you like to play Arbaal.

How do I properly use these units?

>>532460235
Chariots that somehow for some reason do significantly more damage.

>>532418592
One has lore of rock, one has lore of paper, one has lore of scissors
You have to have the one you can beat beat the one you cant before you beat him

Holy fuck I'm so sick of never getting to actually fight any fucking battles the AI is such a fucking cowardly cuck like you have a full stack and I'm sitting here with 15 units, but nope it goes out of its way to inconvenience you by sacking a settlement and then running away

Is there some mod or something I can set to make the AI more willing to take fights holy FUCK

>>532460235
>>532460740
**chariots that are cheap and expendable and do somewhat less damage

>>532461431
Its called using ambush stance

>>532461431
we could have had that but not anymore, you can thank the empirefags for that

>>532461515
That fucking never ever ever works, because even your greatest ally always ends up exposing your hidden armies.

You can't even rely on agents for blocking movement because eeheee XCOM!!!! RNG!!!! eheee!!!!

AUGH HOW CAN I NOT DO A DEFENSIVE SIEGE BATTLE PROPER? THE AUTORESOLVE ALWAYS DOES BETTER
I HATE SEIGE BATTLES

>>532461710
you're just bad at siege problems

>>532461640
Allies 100% do not expose your armies, only factions you are at war with and that are within range

Also the point of ambush stance is not ambush them, but just to be invisible for some turns and while you're invisible the AI always moves in March stance because it thinks its safe, you can just often catch them off guard

>>532461829
battles fuck you im going to bed

News today!

>>532461710
auto resolve showing the results was a mistake. they should change it back to just showing the balance of power bar.
>but then I have to reload if I lose
good. auto resolve isn't supposed to be a cheat tool that lets you safey win battles.

>>532435479
There have been numerous undisputable problems in total warhammer sieges, such as the striking bias to make you the attacker in 99% of situations or its cowardice to attack without overwhelming advantage. Blissfully fun defensive sieges will not join their ranks; its buffs are too irrelevant, its bugs and mechanical shortcomings too plentiful. Its shitty garrisons with irrelevant units is an illumination in what a holding army shouldnt be, but a cramped blob of chaff at best. It will remain useless– treasured by the 0.1% of players that ever manage to get a fair and bugless defensive siege. Turning sieges into bastions will cause its own bitching from players, but you can’t fault them for that. It will cause massive burnout as each siege slows down the pace of the game with so many settlements, all sharing the same handful of maps. Amor noctis equus!.
Superficially, the siege rework caters a new breath into what some criticize as the worst aspect of Total Warhammer; aloof critics throw their own suggestions without a second thought. As complacent as these self-proclaimed "understanders of strategy" are, they fail to realize that a rework will change nothing, a bit of polish atop glaringly huge bugs and fundamental design flaws. Breaching the walls should only be the end of the beginning; it is not because the breach has already decided the fate of the battle already. The siege rework is most realistically viewed through the eyes of the blackpilled.
As brilliantly put by Cattalus, "Volo amare equam."; to describe the ultimate outcome of the siege rework would be to describe music to a conductor, color to an artist or beauty to a fashion designer. Auto-resolve speaks for itself, and it is up to the player to realize its shallowness. Its irrelevance will ever be debated yet always remain objectively irrefutable; the fundamental waste of time it proves to the general may shape the basis of Total War discussion for centuries to come.

>>532462878
not reading all that, summarize your post into 1 word for me.

>>532463090
Radiousiege

>>532412612
>>reasons not to do 40k
It'd be fucking shit and either not true to 40k or not true to TW

>>532415158
its a purely political marriage that only exists for a year anyways
the two are practically strangers in elf terms

>>532461447
t. can't use them for shit

this kills the Festus cucks

>>532458498
khorne settlements actually make decent money but cost so much to build up (same with his armies) you will be sacking and razing literally every single settlement
You will be in negative income most of the game because you want constant bloodhosts to sack faster and easier. Eventually you will have all your bloodhosts get destroyed with only 1-3 regular armies and you'll finally see a pretty large positive number

>Cuckrl Fagz cuck cuckstantly thinkcucking about his fegtish of being cucked
cucklour me succprised

uh oh anti-empire melty

>>532463729
>4 heroes
>two wizards
>only 4 melee units
can you please explain the thought process that goes into making armies like this

>>532464125
I shall try Arbaal again. Thanks.

>>532455471
Their economy systems

>>532458348
Autism.

>>532465301
If I had to guess.. blob the enemy around hero units and shoot them with guns

>>532465525
Just gotta fight more, for Khorne you gotta use blood hosts, fully exhaust every use out of them that you can, follow your LL (except Arbaal if he's teleporting around of course), grab the techs for more better units in hosts ASAP, a free bloodthirster, soul grinder, and some bloodletters and flesh hounds is massive. For WoC build the growth and money buildings at t1, then grab the sorceror building and/or walls, and knights, since those all give you % increase to income, much more useful than grabbing the forsaken or troll buildings since you get those units anyway (except as Festus since his local provinces won't have the right modifiers for most of those troops, but for him you gotta do much more fighting anyway so you can skip the money building as him imo). Unfortunately the AI is massive pussies, but a second lord in march stance to bait out ambushes should get the AI to come fight you. You don't have to (or want to) capture minor settlements or non-dark fortresses so don't build those up at all, just raze or repeatedly sack them until you get a vassal, then either automatically gift them postbattle, or capture them and sell them to the vassal. Don't need to recruit all the best units or upgrade your units immediately if you can't afford it, and go easy on the gifted units, marauders, dogs, and trolls can solve most problems in the early game.

>>532465775
why 2 wizards? the wizard building is like tier 3 just to get another one so putting it in your main army that already has one seems like a waste. and carroburg greatswords are good but why make 3 of them your only melee infantry? I would guess that this is some kind of emergency army recruited at the last second, but it has karl in it and you would think that even a panic army would have some spearmanii in it.

>>532465301
I gave my other army the rest of the units and keeping them in Grunburg to defend the settlement and was mid-recruiting before I saw Festus charging at Altdorf. Also, I used Carrosburg Greatswords as my frontline, VH/VH btw all AI cheats on max. I don't need a shield.

>>532466232
Idk man, I just said I was guessing at that anon's motive

You don't actually recruit more than 5 melee units at max for ranged armies, right?

>>532466668
my DRAZH KAZAD armies conventionally could do with 1 infantry less but when you're facing overwhelming force you just need that extra GORM

>>532466095
Appreciate the advice. Now its time to sell my soul to CHAOS one more time

I wonder how many people actually utilise the links in the OP

>>532466668
mpgods recommend 3:1 ratio of melee to ranged units. even a gunline army should have around 8 melee units.

I feel like the Vermintide crisis is the only one they put any efffort into tbqh

>>532454008
I enjoyed getting the helm of draesca in my last counts run early on. Put it on my bloodline lords who had immortal before lvl 20 but after like 60-70 turns it only procced once (for the buff, not death). I feel like they should double the rate to 2%

>>532468537
Crisis Events just feel lame.
WOW THEY SPAWNED 10 FULL DOOMSTACK ARMIES
EPIC

>>532413230
>||c'tan shard||
the fucking state of you

if I see even a single melee unit I might just shoot you desu

Did rats get buffed over the last 4 years alot?
They fight until they're 1/32 of a unit like fucking slayers lmao and this is with regular battle diff

What do you even do as Be'lakor

>>532470110
Maim.
Pillage.
Kill.
Win.

>>532469587
Everyone got a baseline leadership increase because fighting to the last unit is epic

>>532470110
You've no idea how annoying it is to be playing Alarielle or King Louen and all of a sudden as you're pushing N'kari's/Grom the Paunch's shit in that fucker declares war on ya for no reason out of nowhere.

I have had to conquer that island so many fucking times because that fucker starts shit

>>532470110
Vassalize your tzeentch neighbor, sail up to Norsca, declare war on Wulfrik ASAP (so he doesn't confederate Varg and Naglfari), beat him (tough fight), possibly vassalize him then Naglfari and Varg then sail up to Sigvald and confederate him plus steal his vassals. Portal over to Ulthuan and smash N'kari and the campaign's won. You can get like 7 dark fortresses in 20 turns, each with a couple thousand gold income. Then you can pick between valkia, azazel, archaeon to confederate or go do literally anything you want.

>>532458348
he scaled the average italian schlong to bobby G's size. There's data about how long is the average schlong of pretty much every country in the world by now. Anyways, this is bullshit because as far as I know Bobby shouldn't even shoot anything, and if he does those are definitely blanks.

>>532460235
you don't
I just pile of violence when I play greenies. Those things go into the pile of violence.

>>532471067
Coping so hard right now my guy

>>532471418
Oh no, I do want superhuman elf hybrids my man, I just don't think it's possible, not to mention the ultra racist universe in which the setting takes place. there's no fucking way.

I don't play any 40k that doesn't have Custodes in it.

Well, found the Changeling I guess

>>532460235
get deathrollerz, fire and forget, animations will keep them alive like warpflayers
flappas for cycle charging, giving a chariot strider is a bit much and theyre fast

jokes on you, I wanted everyone to declare war on me in every direction, forcing me to blitz half the map with militia hoplites and cav. this is the premium VH/VH Remastered™ experience

BETA TODAY!

I think I have just enough cav to pull this off

>>532438793
>was coopted by grifters bitching about sexy designs.
this but literally every game that comes out now. Nothing is ever just a game anymore, everything is just culture war proxies. It's honestly unbearable and exhausting.

>>532422436
nobody climbs walls anyway what actually happens is people will just park their artillery on the pixel that lets them hit a tower to take it down then shoot fish in a barrel like they always have
the other option is to retard smash into the game and then stat check the defenders if you are playing a melee faction
or just autoresolve like everyone does anyway

>>532473084
>game
gate

>>532466668
I go with 8, 4 anti-large charge defence and the other 4 damage dealers.

>>532473084
thay would still be better than the current state because you'd at least need to build artillery to make sieges easy.

>>532472029
this is why you rush vampires, to prevent this shit from happening.

>>532473254
most factions have artillery in their basic roster and most people also use them in their armies

>>532473439
Not the protagonist of WH3, Kislev

>>532428742
theres a mod that removes walls from the game meaning there are no sieges at all

>>532473642
they have artillery mounted on goddamn polar bears anon
also anyone who does not use atleast a single artillery unit in every army is a retard unable to learn the most basic of ai behaviors

>someone already figured out hwo to get rid of those annoying ass pillars when you make breaches in the walls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mm9Ku97zS8
why ca so lazy

>>532473793
That's a tier 3 unit and you need at least 5000 turns to recruit 1

I will now revolutionize warfare and educate /twg/ with the forbidden secret technique known as the hammer and anvil

yay i did the thing

>>532474497
>>532474676
me charge forward and kill

in a brilliant tactical display, I have managed to overcome the fearsome greek army of militia units.

playing with unit caps and EVERY Empire Army has the landship, and the unit is OP as fuck. Just had to fight a battle with 3 of them. So tiresome

>>532473409
havent had a chance, wanted to see if that one dude in the thread that keeps seething about the Empire was right about the AI being ruined but so far, The Empire has been pretty fun and a bit tough, haven't had a chance to go after Sylvania, and Elspeth just got her T4 settlement raided by Vlad which kind of upsets me but its not as bad as having to deal with Festus and Vlad at tbe same time. EC are still useless for the most part besides me baby-ing Toddy.

and now I'm making almost 20k a turn. I sure hope the elite armies get to the front before my ad hoc ragtag militia armies beat the game by themselves

>>532474935
>Vlad
It's so lame how his animations is just the generic empire melee one

>>532474935
I wonder who looked at this map UI during developmemt amd said "yep, that looks good"

The game moves too fast, hope the siege rework is just one step in an effort to make it slower. I remember back when they said the game was about building tall instead of wide. That was somehwat true for less than a year because low attention span tik tok niggers ruin everything and map painters simply had to beg and beg and beg for the game to be easier for their playstyle. Now they whine about how the game's too easy and it needs to be harder but god forbid they have to spend more than one turn sieging as that would ruin the pace of the game and make it actually difficult, no wonder every one of those retards stops playing by the time they reach turn 60 when you actually have to build what you've conquered and defend against big enemies who pose an actual challenge against player dominance.

>>532475595
Meanwhile in WH1

>>532474935
Also, this run is probably doomed because its gonna take fucking ages to even deal with Vlad. I tried to return back to an earlier save before this to deal with Festus first and thats even worse because I run into Throt and Azazel whove just destroyed Kislev. I think this campaigns back to being WH2 tier difficult but at least its in a fun way. I again reiterate, ECs are fucking useless even with minor AI potential meanwhile Kislev feels worse now after their rework

>>532475941
VGH

>>532476695
REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

help

Remember when Total War games had diplomacy and the strategy wasn't to blitzkrieg (though it was based to do it back then)

>>532477125
Diplomacy was only really worthwile in 3K and sort of in Attila

100minutes later..

Eat sooo much shit..

>>532477125
>>532477446
i remember and have chosen to ignore it anyway

>>532447538
they couldn't possibly make a campaign map where the background is solid black and roads are warp routes

nope, couldn't possibly work

Cinematic camera is underrated

>>532478852
How do you tell who you're at war with in 3K?

>>532477125
if you don't like to blitzkrieg, you can get some mods to fix it

>>532479623
might have something to do with the bright red colors on every single ui element belonging to a faction that you're at war with, but I can't tell for sure....

Meow is gonna be MAD

>>532479623
im at war with everyone so i dont have to guess
the icons have red background

Want to start a new campaign so bad bros, but beta is only hours away.

>>532481068
Beta right now: look in a mirror.

>>532481113
What's lower than beta? That's what I am.

Which units should I build as wood elves?
Legend said that glade guard suck in Total War Warhammer 3 because of a lack of armour piercing but I thought they were supposed to be op

>>532481113
>beta
>in 2025
Grandpaus Boomerus Geezerus...

I am once again asking you to leave the comment in this thread so CA takes notice and we get unit caps!

https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/forums/8-general-discussion/threads/10640-would-you-want-unit-caps-in-single-player-campaign?page=2#post-160689

>>532481651
Use one of the 700 cheats for it instead of wasting CA's time, the game is practically unplayable

>>532481651
WHAT
WHY DO I WANT UNIT CAPS IN SP?

>>532481651
>>532481792
This game should have had unit caps since the release of TWW1. Maybe something like the Tomb Kings caps so you have an incentive to build military structures. Ultimately the doomstacking is a fucking mess and should have never been a thing. I attempted a campaign without unit caps and quit after 7 turns after seeing ridiculous armies of 19 missile cav or furies. Even now I have one mod without cap support, and they are filling half of their army with artillery. It's fucking dreadful.

>>532481651
Incredibly obnoxious cocksucker.

>>532481998
There should be a toggle to enable caps. I also think that a general type, some traits and skills should affect caps

>>532481291
literally everything on the roster except for eagles are good. just look at the stats and get whatever is good against the enemy you are facing.

>>532482436
I don't mind them being a toggle but I think that unit caps should have been the default way to play the game. Imo, no unit caps is bad game design and basically cheating since you can doomstick and just blitzkrieg through the game. That's on top of all the insane bonuses and stat boosts that you can get + Powercreep. Really, it's barely even a strategy game. It's more like a power RPG fantasy.

>>532481651
this is the gayest fucking thing ever, why would anyone want anti-fun mechanics like this in a singleplayer game?

>>532482691
I don't see any fun in doomstacks made by player or AI.

>>532482850
>PLAY THE GAME HOW I LIKE IT
no.

>>532482691
>>532483085
>WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY GOLD FOR UNITS
>IT'S SUPER ANTI-FUN
>WHY DO I HAVE TO BUILD UP MY SETTLEMENTS TO RECRUIT TIER 5 UNITS >IT'S ANTI-FUN

>>532410635
Made for Aeldari women

>>532482569
>I think that unit caps should have been the default way to play the game
Well, yeah I think so too. I just think that more options in RTS is good.
>Really, it's barely even a strategy game. It's more like a power RPG fantasy.
I think that's the issue we got thanks to original WH1-2-3 devs, they had to rush the game no matter what. All snowball restraints are weakened or removed, game is full blitz mode and some people think it's okay, which make me sick actually.
DLC Horsham team need to sweep up after them but they simply can't do it or just don't want to do it. I genuinely believe Sofia will make things right.

>>532481651
the only caps armies need is a total gold value one, but ca is too stupid/lazy to make the ai understand how to build an army with that kind of limitation.

Am bored, do you have a slept on campaign where it's guaranteed you'll have fun

>I'm so fucking bad at the game I need to make it impossible for the AI to build 2 big units. SAVE ME CA MAN

>>532483301
cao cao

>>532483425
I would add Liu Bei 182 and Lu Bu 194 (both kinda should be played in romance)

>>532483301
Sima Lu

>>532483425
>>532484302
in WH3

>>532484334
Azazel

hmm

>>532483339
>I need unit caps to prevent the ai from making retarded doomstacks that it can only afford because I gave it insane cheats which I have to play with because the game is too easy otherwise because I have no self control and can't stop myself from abusing every possible game mechanic
I figured it out. we need to change difficulty so that instead of giving the ai cheats it stops the player from cheating. add unit caps so you can't make cheesy armies, put caps on how much you can buff unit stats so you can't make 80md zombies, and give the map border a mortis engine effect if you stand too close to it. maybe then legendary difficulty will actually force you to git gud instead of just learning how to cheese.

>>532484445
that sort of thing happens quite often throughout history tbf

>>532484595
>player caps
Try some self-control. If you're ego-boosting about which difficulty you play then people can only feed sad for you.

>>532484595
Who cares how someone beat a singleplayer game

>>532484698
I don't like comoletely arbitrary and gamey restrictions, but in general restrictions are what makes games fun, at least in these types of games. Unit caps based on some parameter like population or settlement arrangement or resource availability is totally sensible and makes the game way more interesting. All these restrictions should be universally applied however, not just to the player.

>>532484698
>have some self control by playing suboptimally

Beta is live!

roasted chinaman is on the menu

>>532486827
Is it really...

Weird fight, I definitely played it in a mediocre manner. Am I mistaken or can Irondrakes in melee still attack with their weapons (flames)? If so, maybe I had them too spread out for it. I'm aware some ranged units in melee can still use their ranged guns (nowhere near as often compared to if they're freely shooting of course), but maybe I'm mistaken on Irondrakes.

>>532487160
yeah

>>532487161
he he...
ancestral throng

>>532487213
YOU HAVE MY THONG!
WAIT...

>>532411037
>>532412478
Hyped for it too. Any other anons here have any interest or hopes for it? Think it will be more normie friendly because it will be fully voiced. Also any chance that TCAL does a crossover with them? Owlcat likes doing those

>>532487309
they HAVE to put a nigger

>>532487383
40K dystopia is multicultural cause Emprah believed in one race in human race, so makes sense there, not gonna complain

>>532487160

>>532487430
>the emprah was a zogbot
grim
grave even

>>532487383
Stop being a bigot, chud.

>>532488096
>imperium man bad
I cant wait for the total societal reversal. So, so many people are going to have to die. It's gonna be legendary.

>>532488568
What?

this is what peak performance looks like

>>532488624
You're witnessing a genuine "Someone told me to be nice, billions must die" chud in action.

>>532488773
based. Are you the Ma Teng guy?

>>532488096
>muh satire
This hasnt been true for a loooong time.

Billions must Siege...

>the emperor expects me to fight alongside these
chaos it is

>>532488817
yeah this clusterfuck is slowly being solved

Antiochus III starts in Sudenland with an army of 3 trillion soldiers and all necessary logistics to feed them.
Thanquol has taken over Mannfred's starting settlement with 3 trillion skaven.
The two inevitably clash, who wins?

>>532489184
Wait did you kill Cao Cao or did he die? What year you on?

>>532489245
>numerical parity with skaven
Antiochus.

>>532489267
206 i chopped off his head earlier

it's like the game wants you to cheat

>>532488096

>>532483228
It's time to do away with the arbitrary 20 unit cap that's been smothering these games for 30 years with no innovation in sight. Then you'd no longer be forced to max out the quality of your armies and can give low cost units a chance to shine just like in the tabletop game it's based on

>>532481651
im going to leave a comment against adding unit caps, thanks bro

>>532489564
wow you are so based

Beta is live but I have to go to work. Pity.

>Dev Note: High Elf Gates & Empire Forts do not require siege equipment to be besieged, and because of this you will need to field artillery, or something which can break down the gates or walls. We will look into changing their setup in the future based off of your feedback, as we know this is not ideal.
O-ok, how i'm supposed to siege Elves Gate now withtout any recruitable artillery in my whole roster ?

>/pol/tard invasion

>>532489820
N'Kari
So nothing changed for slaanesh

>Uh actually putting women and black everywhere is not political and you should not care but removing them is political and very problematic

>>532490208
One fits with the setting, the other is censorship.

>>532489245
Ratmanii are cowards and in general fucking dogshit in melee.
Antiochus has this

>gyrocopters run out of ammo
>force land them and have them attack in melee
Goofy faction.

>>532487309
I am hyped for it, just hope Owlkeks don't rush the final acts again and that the combat isn't faceroll post mid act2.
Idk about crossover, but the chance isn't 0

Siege beta is live and Siege Attacker trait is dead.

>>532489245
What equipment do they each have at their disposal? Because it's not the same if it's 3 trillion phalanx soldiers vs 3 trillion skavenslaves and clanrats than if it's 3 trillion phalanx soldiers vs 3 trillion combined stormvermin, rat ogers and weapons teams while Thanquol casts all sorts of bullshit.

>>532491787
And here it is.

>>532492018

>>532487309
You do realize (if any crossover) it will be again with the Fatshark team ?

>>532492152

>>532491787
What's a good campaign to play in vanilla for the Beta?

>>532491787
WHAT, it means I can't attack in one turn????

>>532492472
Not unless you bring a unit that actually has wallbreaker.

Anyone noticed a difference?

>>532492538
>>532492329
>>532491787
This will be legendary even more boring to play. The game just gets more and more tedious to play.

>>532491795
>>532490842
>>532489308
Assume the armies are compromised of a makeup that would result in a stalemate were each army were to be led by Napoleon and going head to head, so historically accurate (just inflated) for Antiochus and overwhelming chaff combined with enough weapon teams to get the job done for Thanquol

>>532491787
I always have Artillery in some form so this doesnt really change anything for me

>>532492659
Then it literally just comes down to how lucky Thanquol gets when he inevitably casts some bullshit that would ruin both armies. It's not like Antiochus can plan for that.

Post your face when they drop the siege rework but:
>wall-breaker doesnt get siege attacker
>dread saurian still doesnt get wall-breaker

>>532489698
This but starting from 4pm last night to 6pm today.
>>532491787
Having to wait a turn for the first fortress got me tweakin’.
Mainly cuz every second counts when trying to save kholek. Didn’t they promise to give archy/belekor real confed mechanics?

>>532492920
Can DreadSaurianmaniii even fit through destroyed walls the hole is pretty small

>>532493332
thats what the general said about dread saurians breaching yinyin's hole too

>>532493436
Yin Yin has power over water. Lubrications is handled!

HE'S LIVE!

https://www.twitch.tv/thegreatbookofgrudges

Did units always just ignore these broken wall pillars? It's like they don't have collision, this can't be right.

>>532494046
>PILLARS ARE STILL HERE

>>532494004
FINALLY
I HAVE A FACE TO THE UNFETTERED HATE I HAVE FOR THIS FUCK
AND I MOG HIM

>>532494046
No, they recognized them
Hey, be happy! CA finally added units phasing through walls!

Making sieges even harder and more time wasting is retarded. AI will still target your undefended cities to annoy you. So whats the fucking point here?
God i HATE fuking r*dditors.

>>532477983
i can tell that you're a woman behind your screen

>>532494431

>>532494218
Never said they are going to remove them.

>>532492871
When has Thanquol ever gotten lucky?

>>532494494
Being born with horns is already insane luck. Then he lives all the way to the ET despite everything that happens to him, even becoming the most powerful of grey seers. And then he even fucking makes it into AoS and is now basically a sort of favorite pet of the Horned Rat who gets away with accidentally killing billions of skaven. He's one of those cases where you don't know if he's the luckiest or unluckiest dude ever.

Hey does anyone have that lore snippet about northern bretonnia being harpyfuckers?

>>532472940
yeah
I fucking hate it so much. If a game has obviously "modern audience" designs, then more often than not it will be bad, but when a game doesn't or god forbid, goes the other way to have "attractive/appealing" designs, it's instantly coopted by both sides - one bitching that because it doesn't have "woke" design, it's obviously a masterpiece, and the other complaining that everyone who's not them is a coomer. It's so fucking tiresome, especially considering it's so hypocritical. If Street Fighter came out today anew, people would bitch that Chun Li is coomer-coded, but because she's a beloved childhood character, she gets a pass - and other similar shit

I wish Morathi was real

>>532466668
I am actually because I want my ranged guys to be able to shoot instead of being overwhelmed by melee.

The Tzarina just said I am her son, she is my mommy now! Mommy Katarin!

>Skarbrand lost Siege Attacker

>>532494481
ok boomer

This siege rework shit is going to be a huge failure. I would rather have them rework Brets instead of trying to solve an impossible problem.

>>532494834

>>532416535
If that was true then people would be all over netori but NTR fags only care for NTR

>>532496198
I don't even understand the basic appeal of the fetish. What's hot about cuckoldry it's gross & abhorent.

>try out siege reword beta
>forgot that all my favorite factions dont get siege battles until a fair way bit in
Hm!

>>532496330
I agree, I was only pointing out that the scenario in the right of the image is netori while the left is netorare. Netorare is much, MUCH more popular, to the point where when people say NTR it is assumed you are talking about netorare.

>auto resolved the first siege battle of my campaign by habit
Oh well ... I'll have to wait for the next one to properly try the beta

>>532416535
Being the guy who fucks someone else's girl is pretty cucked too since she isn't committing to you.

>>532496330
cuckoldry is kinda hot if I'm the bull
If you can't see how being the guy that comes and cums in and dips out having sexually humiliated another man is hot I don't know if you're an actual man. I'm not saying it's a good thing to do, but it definitely triggers some primal monkey shit.

>>532496927
nasty little freak

>no cutebold faction in TWW3

>>532496950
Who said anything about wanting commitment? The whole point is that you're just fucking someone else's problem. jfc some of you are such pussies...

What unit size to play Warhammer 3 with?

>>532497354
ultra

>>532497354
XL if its Chance, L if its Austin

>>532497354
Ultra or bust. You will hear genuine cope saying otherwise, like "smaller sizes makes the game more challenging" or "my shit PC can't handle ultra". Best off playing an RTS then, and not a total war title.

>>532497178

>>532497596
>Rumour of Demiorcs
...huh?

Yep, it's time for another Skrolk run.

>>532498386
needs a rework

So how's the siege beta? Will my mods break if I try it?

Balance is a natural enemy of fun.

>>532498659
For sure, he's weak, obviously out-dated. Is amusing going through his skills, traits etc and then thinking for a moment how much different he'd be if he was made today.

>>532497178
>>532497596

>>532498659
>>532498907
just needs the nurgle plague mechanic reskinned

>>532497179
I know right, fucking pathetic cucks on here who want gay faggot weakling civic shit like family, society, community and christianity
true teutonic pagan heroic nietzschean faustian overmen such as us, we do the RAPE MURDER like the testosterone in our blood always intended and these little weaklings will never stop us, hahaha!!!

Queek Headtaker is too strong of a LL for a RAT

>>532498386
>>532498659
>>532498659
>>532499067
Should give him the old Nurlge plague Cauldron

Time to siege.

>>532500881
SOVL

Based Skrolk. It was much closer than it looks (post-battle screens are typically deceptive).
>>532500881
The recipe idea is cool, even if the execution was mediocre.

>>532499441
this is what spending too much time online larping does to a mfer...

Live stream in an hour!

>>532414558
>healthy couple
>Vlad/Isabella
They turn each other into worse people and then make that everyone else's problem. And they were extremely shitty people to start with.

Is it pronounced Nakari or Enkari?

>>532502749
>They turn each other into worse people and then make that everyone else's problem.
That sounds like it's everyone else's fucking problem to me.
t. Jimmy/Kimmy fan

>>532502849
nakari, clearly

>>532502849
THE PRINCE OF PLEASURE

>>532501297

>>532503451
at least tell us what changed gameplay-wise in your opinion

>>532501297
whats the go with two different siege towers?

>>532503451
Congrats on getting your special unit rekt.

>>532503767
They dissipated.

Wasn't there supposed to be a live stream today?

1 minute.

can't watch the stream, but one of you unemployeds please tell me if there's any news

>>532504238
Startsright now, actually. https://www.twitch.tv/totalwar

>>532503767
I mean I would have to disband it to be able to recruit it back for Eltharion's own army anyway (after that battle finishing the greenskins in Ulthuan should be easy even without them), I sacrificed them to push the trolls guarding the gate for my cavalry.
>>532503605
The walls towers seem really way more powerful to me; not being able to climb walls wherever I want make it harder. Gameplay-wise I didn't really play this siege any differently from the old one, but was fun.
>>532503730
The Siege Tower is the one costing 7 manpower, the one costing only 3 is the new buildable Siege-ladder.

>>532504675
not watching, it's just going to be ca sucking each other off, demonstrating changes we can experience ourselves in the beta, and reacting to select reddit posts
I'm going to play it in an hour or so after I jack off

Its a good day to do what has to be done by me to help my motherland to defeat the enemys. Im going to kill Chaos.

A whole unit of gobbo is here and do nothing, seems bugged.

>>532505175

>>532410008 (OP)
>Grom the Paunch is literally right across the water from Tor Yveresse
>Eltharion is nowhere near him at the start
Is he stupid

>+10 MA across all armies for 20 turns
wew

>>532505345
It has been a long time since I saw this. I eventually started spamming end turn because it took so long for the rifts to open.

>>532505345
Is ROC still playable with all the changes to Kislev?

>>532506101
RoC's issue wasn't whether or not Kislev was "playable" or not.

>>532505345

>>532506340
late game kislev is so kino but I always get bored before I get past the kossar phase
they're fun to stomp as Chaos I suppose

>>532506101
Short answer: no
Long answer: I'm obviously having a much easier time than on release, and although Nkari+Skarsbrand both got 4 souls before me they were kind enough to show up late for the finale and give me time to get the Slaanesh soul. If I had to go for another 25 turns of defending Malakai from all 3 chaos dwarves and my northern border from demons I would have gone insane.

Haha I've made the chat and discord talk about unit caps! One step towards implimenting them!

Dude isn't the best at playing total war kek.

haha yeah no

Bwos, I almost had it...

>>532506920
This is my opus dei now. I will bring unit caps to the base game!

>>532506985
wrong general?

>>532506707
are you actually a sperg?

>>532507121
Lol yes. I will spam this shit until it's in the game. We need unit caps!

>CA adds unit caps to the game
>3 different mods on day 1 to revert it
nothingburger

grim

>>532507208
Unit caps?

I prefer units with helmets.

>>532506707
based. It's necessary to make late game playable. Fortunately there are mods for it but I hope CA implements it.

>>532507462
I prefer units with top knotz.

There are rumours that the next Total War will not have mod support.

>Ally vassal has a full stack
>Says they're going to attack a settlement next to them with a garrison of 8
>Next turn the full stack is gone and the settlement garrison has taken 0 losses
W
What
What the fuck?

>>532507545
Ambush.

Dumb Sart*sa declaring war on me and sending 3 full stacks the next turn.

>>532492920
>My face when basedsofia implements Dread Saurian Wallbreaker and he gets the unique wall attacking animation from Toad Dragons

>>532505391
Eltharion being in the Badlands is from the lore.
Grom being in Bretonnia is from CA (they probably didn't put him in the Badland because Wurrzag was already here back in the days, now it's Gorbad).

>>532486883
>Enemy attacking through dense forest
>You brought fire arrows
There isnt a better feeling

There are rumours that the next Total War game will have a great launch.

>>532495930
Hope we get a squire and harpy pic soon....

>>532508052
MFW I forgot MFW

Did they show or say anything special in the live?
(I usually do recap but i'm busy playing Eltharion right now :( )

Thoughts on the beta?
Don’t see much discussion on it.

Get the streamers to accidentally leak something about the next Total War game.

>Just realized that there's no reason not to sack->occupy as WoC
Well fug

Holy shit these dudes never play their own games do they?

Sex with (the last LL you played)

Its over

>>532505391
grom is in the badlands when playing as eltharion though

>>532510365
He's not, he has his regular start position.

>>532509593
>daemon-worshipping hell marauders who seek the end if the world peacefully occupy a town

>send first doom engineer to Chorfs
>see this
Waaagh, stunties.

>>532506340

>>532510814
Why are waghs so kino? Especially when its on stunties?
Also that like a meta strat, to I assume undercity zharr naggarond?

>>532511171
Yeah, that's the one. Many other places are good, too, like Lothern and later on, Dark Fortresses are surprisingly great. But early game it's Zharr Naggrund.

>>532511048
>>You will suffer my majest-ACK
My only regret is my army is a professional elite force of superwoman ice snipers and doesn't throw rocks.

>>532511048
turn off projectile trails

>waaagh armies
Anons, do you think Bretonnia will get errantry armies in their rework?

>can't even push through skavenslaves
wow cool good unit

>>532512669
MP unit please understand

>>532445625
Congrats anon, you beat the single player tutorial and are getting bored with it. Now you are ready for the real challenge, vs other players!

>>532510619
when did they break that?

Assume I'm playing a race without buffs to razing. If my movement allows, why would I raze instead of sack + occupy + abandon settlement? Both end up with same result (razed town) but sacking nets both a lot more money and a tick of replenishment. The only edge case I can see is if you have stronger enemy army juuust barely within attack range so razing lets you retreat but being in a city wont. It just seems very suboptimal to raze most of the time.

>>532511971
>get lots of Chivalry or whatever
>sudden Errantrystack
>all peasants
>peasants crashing my economy because they're off to prove themselves or get raped by harpies
F-For zhe Lady...

>>532512669
that's because they're yours
AI war wagons will walk through massed ranks of phoenix guard as if they were just crossing aquatic terrain

>>532511048
which quest battle is this, anon?

>>532513570
I am not that Anon but it is the final battle of the Realms of Chaos campaign.

>>532513420
Humans can't issue 15 quintillion orders per second to each of their units like the AI does.

>>532511971
I rahter have them get Caravan.

>>532513420
I only have the ai cheats set to 2, it shouldn't make that much of a difference

>TK QoL update is confirmed to be a nothingburger
FUUUUUUUU

the war wagons triggered me so i switched to Vilitch
to the anons who were wondering, a turn 1 siege is pretty forgiving for chaos at least

>>532511971
>>532513403
On that note couldn't they implement a system similar to Rome:TW (i just played it again recently) and have Couronne send out missions/errands to Bretonnian factions or declare an errantry war, in a similar way to the senate?

>>532513346
because the games are a patchwork of changes trying to fix retarded game design decisions made 10 years prior

>>532513650
Yeah I think the only RoC I finished was Valkia's
The original ones I just played like 1-2 chaos realms and got bored until IE came out
Thanks anon

>>532514150
QRD?

>>532514229
Inb4 the AI will still get assladders without spending a turn building because cheats will just reduce their manpower cost for the AI to negative or something

>>532514150
What’d they say?
Also I swear I think I’m the only one who thought TK were fine

>>532514567
>>532514925
They said its just bunch of number changes, unit tier changes and unit caps from tech.

>>532514229
>4 towers and 4 ladders in 1 turn
Is that too much equipment? Seems like a lot

>>532514905
i will simply remove their cheats with my own cheats

>>532515327
I am willing to take any Tomb King buffs at this point.

>>532515327
Isn’t there a ‘new feature’ or something too?

Well, we after all this time, we have finally saved comrade Bear and brought peace and prosperity back to the Motherland. After nearly four weeks of struggles, the shit starting economy, the absurd design of Tzeentch and Slaanesh realms, was it worth it?

Yes. This is the first time I played a Good side campaign that I felt had actual stakes. I had to save what was left of the Empire, Ostland, before Festus, Vlad and Skragg destroyed it forever. I had to sally out east and save the last remnants of the Dawi from the relentless onslaught of their chaos counterparts. And all the while searching for the keys to save Ursun in the realms of chaos, I held the bulwark against relentless tides of their most dangerous warriors and most horrifying daemons spilling out from the wastes. All of this I did, because it was the will of my Queen and for the good of the Motherland.

And I'm never fucking doing that shit again. Time for Repantsu.

>>532515525
No they didnt mention anything about that.

>>532514905
we don't know the extent of the instant building skills yet, if it's tied to a building or something the ai is definitely spamming it
>>532515381
the interface is a little misleading, it's 2 ladders (2 each so 4) and 1 battering ram
the ladders are pretty effective, they got shot up on the approach and took a vigor penalty going up but it was faster than ass ladders too
just the first siege of the campaign so it was pretty easy, but it did feel different with more of a focus on using siege equipment than before

>>532516103
They said it in the blog post, TK are getting a minor feature.

>>532515398
>>532515327
The biggest issue with TK is their tier and building spread to be honest. Early game is fine with chariots, but midgame is just couple Monstrous Infantry and one (1) Tomb Scorpion per capital settlement. Then fucking nothing until late endgame when 40 turns later you suddenly get 3 t5 SEMs per capital, multiple of which come active within couple turn range because 3/4 settlement provinces catched up to 2 settlement Khemri province. Within couple turns you're rolling with 10-15 t5 SEMs, invalidating most of the challenge.

The power balance is just fucked. Turns 1-25 pretty good, 25-80 boring slog, then 80+ absolute steamroll with nothing inbetween but waiting for End Turn. A lot of this would be fixed simply by letting Scorpion building to be built into minor settlements (and maybe have it give 2 capacity to compensate for WH3 powercreep) and Hierotitan being dropped to T4. Now you have T1 with chariots, T2 brings Ushabti, T3 your first weakest SEMs, T4 Hierotitans (a reason to use them!) and finally as a powerbump t5 gives two SEMs.

>>532515617
Congrats anon. RoC Katarin is a campaign everyone should play once imo.

Before you completely shelve that campaign, you should create a 4 ironbreakers + 6 strelts + 6 armoured kossars + 1 ice witch Lord + 1 tempest witch hero + 1 lore of hags hagwitch army. Tempest has a aoe range buff spell and hags has a aoe ranged damage buff spell. This creates the best gunline army in the game.

>>532516992
>hags
Uh I don't know. Hags are kind of impure.

>>532516328
so, there's an oversight right now where you can attack Bastion gates even without siege attacker
fuck you im not reporting this to ca

>"I'm sure to win because my speed is superior."

>>532518146
im retarded its from shatterstone

>>532518146
How will your guys climb the wall without siege equipments ?

A salticid (jumping spider) is approaching my gaming battlestation with purpose and intent as I post this. LL for this feel?

>>532518641
The bottom ability icon looks like Shatterstone. Fantastic God offering in general (the ability and the global resistance).

>Underway Interception
>AR: Pyrrhic Victory
>Manual: Close Defeat literally ass raped by Skrag without the possibility of maintaining a semblance of frontline

>>532518641
>>532518853
yeah it was from shatterstone, its just muscle memory to unlock it but I'm going to get something else instead so I can try the new equipment
with shatterstone, battles feel about the same as before but being able to actually mass order units into the city instead of 1 at a time is nice

Remember when all of these stupid ecelebs said that ass ladders meant nothing. Why are they so retarded?

OK big defensive siege battle, he directly attacked me without building anything so i guess they will rush for my Gates, let's see!

>>532497354
>>532497395
>>532497520
But is the balance worse on smallest?

>>532520270
They need to give wall destruction to large entities like that.

>>532519852
My ecelebs Legend of Total War and MandaloreGaming both said ass ladders bad.

>>532516328
>instant building skills
the fact alone they exist tell me this is gonna be exactly like every other siege rework so far that fixes nothing but makes redditors gobble it like cum

>>532520273
Slightly, yeah. Since stats like health are just flat decreased it leads to some issues with certain units iirc. The game is balanced around ultra and that is the intended unit size.

>>532520273
Game is built for and designed around ultra. The series is. One of the main staying points and attractions to the series. Smaller is worse as some units get even more fucked-up, and others get far worse.

>>532520719
>ultra
you mean high, shitter. Ultra literally breaks half the settlement maps since at least shogun2

>>532520645
everything about this siege beta feels like that but I'll take anything we can get at this point

>>532520579
They based.

>>532520902
Multiple games outright say ultra is the intended unit size faggotron.

>>532521020
are these multiple games in the room with us right now, redditor?

>>532520902
Funny how it's always some lower-case pleb with bait. You talk and convey yourself like 12 year old.

>>532520270
AI seems to don't know what to do.
His flanks are just waiting while the center (with only infantry) is charging the Gate.

>>532521075
This is actually a funny post. Because the answer is yes.

What does "AI Strength & Threat Assessment" do, exactly? I'm a brainlet

>>532521213
Go on, I'm waiting, where are these "ultra-reccomended" games where ultra doesn't actively shit up either the balance or the maps.

You don't have them, but I'll still be here

>>532521123
hi there juan pablo, good to see your gambian village finally got internet

>>532521075
>>532521405
Yes that game is in the room with us faggot.

>gets their grammar pointed out
>next post they fix it
Influential.

>>532521231
They will try to choose their war targets smarter. The most noticeable effect: Weak factions won't declare wars on stronger factions, including player faction. And AI will try not to declare war or targets that are too far from them.

Please don't let yourselves get derailed by the schizo. I genuinely would like to have some idea of what will happen to for instance cavalry vs chaff charges if the unit size is set to small and if melee heroes become stronger or weaker.

>>532521137
Central assault repelled.
He is now moving all his forces right under my wall (as if they still have the ass-ladders).
Fiends of Slaanesh finally moving to engage the gate.

>>532521907
Dumb n*ggers got Rampage and opened the gate ...

>>532522229
CA's contemporary AA.

>>532521636
>Still doesn't post which TW
>Still doesn't address Ultra breaking maps since before he crawled out of a sewer and claimed to be born

many such cases!

>>532522229
>spears and arrows fucking anything trying to enter
>if they push the gates can still close
Open gates are meta

IT'S UP!!!
https://youtu.be/qf5xmxRBXzA

I bet she feels stupid now for betraying her own specy.

>>532522708
I've played since Medieval 2 and not once had any issue with ultra unit size. Of course, now you're moving the goalposts since you got fully btfo'd. I did my part, now the burden of proof is on you. Post a video of ultra unit size breaking a siege battle.

>>532522835
>bald psychobitch with tripped tights
Slaanesh, my knees are quivering.

>>532522815
I don't watch trannies

>>532521819
Single entity units become much stronger, at least that was the case in WH2. No idea about WH3.

>>532522229
All left is N'kari now, they couldn't even break the gate.
Meh, rework not convincing.

>>532523478
The AI isn't building siege engines?

>>532520273
Yes. Bombardment spells become absurdly powerful since their AoE can easily cover an entire unit. Also SEMs become even more ridiculous, because their Splash Attack size doesnt change, so instead of them knocking around 20 models while 80 get to keep attacking, now they can stunlock most (or entirety) of the unit, taking very little damage in return. Units with Collision Attacks like Skarbrand get a lot stronger too since they can hit larger percentage of unit's models.

>>532507864
Is that a glowing eyes skaven mod?

>>532523478
Tbf they said helf gates/empire forts attackable without equipment was a known issue

>>532521907
>>532522229
>>532523478
>a fucking gate battle
Anon, I...

>the Plague spell displays a hologram-like visage of Skrolk
S O U L
>>532524650
Yep.

Anyone try any of the AI mods in the workshop? Are any good? I'm so desperate to have a campaign that isn't me constantly fighting a deluge of cheatstacks from braindead cheating anti-player AI

Is there no Dukes of Bretonnia for Empire??

>>532525168
I used to use https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2833697505 before the big patch that buffed AI. Now the AI doesn't seem to have XP issues anymore (quite the contrary) so I no longer use this mod.

>>532525095
get ready for them to destroy the S O U L with the overhaul to the lore's visuals, like they did with foot of gork or bad moon

>enemy forces attack on me
>close victory AR
>stuff that, it looks fun, I'll manual it
>phyrric victory
At least it was indeed fun.

>>532526107
as long as you had fun, that's what matters~

>>532524805
>>532524692
It was freaking Tor Yvress city >>532520270 I didn't remember it count as a Gate for some reason.
Still the AI should have sieged me the until attrition weakened me enough for an assault.
>>532524004
It could not in this particular battle.

>>532525095
Might add it even though I took off the glowing eyes from undead

Sieges do now seem much more weighted towards the defender. Maybe not Attila level but the combination of ladders + towers being much more powerful with shorter range is very nice. What remains to be seen is if the AI can handle it or if cities will become basically a free defense.

Did the stream today reveal any new info?

>>532526613
todays stream revealed that ur moms a hoe

Mmmm yeah I think this campaign is done.

>>532528969
https://youtu.be/F3rXKKGsfpk?t=174

>>532478852
Nobody ever mentions that 3K is also the most fun to do "This Is Total War" runs, it has best of both worlds

I've got a feeling we'll be staying newslets for quite a long time.

It's time to play that lord you haven't touched since they released

>>532528969
Things like this and >>532472029 makes me want to lower the difficulty, it gets so ridiculous if you let any major enemy power nearby have any leeway

>>532530030
Alberic...

>>532530030
Durthu...

>>532530030
Russia...

>Vassalize a minor faction
>Does fucking NOTHING, builds nothing, absolute waste of time
>Vassalize a LL
>Instantly starts building in whatever settlement you give them

Hueh

>>532530606
>doesn't have those tick-boxes ticked
Hueh.

>>532530030
My wife...

>>532530030
Turks ?!

>>532530701
But I have...

>>532530858
Macedonians... GREEKS!

>>532530030
Repanse...

>>532530915
...nobody to lean on...

>>532530940
Are you quoting the Rome 2 trailer

>>532526417
It looks like he is willing to properly siege me this time

>>532531132
No, I'm quoting myself in bed with your mother

I use my superior economy to fund proxy wars while I'm distracted in other parts of the world, works well enough.

>>532410008 (OP)
that image of valten vs archaon has more soul than all of aos.

>>532531204
Reinforcement coming.

>>532530136
/twg/ doesnt want you to know this, but the best difficulty options are "Campaign: Hard/Very Hard, Battle: Easy, Battle AI cheats: Hard/Very Hard". This gives enough campaign map cheats so the AI isnt a faceroll due to units or in-battle stats, but easy battle ai means he will aggressively attack any settlement he MIGHT win, meaning tons of kino defensive sieges instead of AI ballooning to 3 armies to take undefended minor settlement. You also end up doomstacking less yourself since AI is constantly on the offensive so you dont have time or need to take that capital with 4 turtling stacks over it: instead you get tons of defensive sieges and land battles.

>>532530030
any muslims nation and when it comes to that new world dlc for medieval 2 i only played as Spain. I played all races in warhammer other than cathay.

>>532531837
>Battle AI Cheats
You mean the stat boost? Fuck that shit.

>>532531785

>>532531837
Battle difficulty is solely how they control in manual battles you mong
i.e. if you autoresolved every single fight then battle difficulty setting would be completely irrelevant

>>532532138
oh and the French in napoleon total war, don't really like them.

>>532532138
You're not missing much at all. They're boring, easy, and they don't belong in the warhammer universe (at least how CA represents them, they look and sound poorly done).

>>532530030
That’s the entire point of my IE project. That said, my next is Festus, of which I play a ton of WoC. Reasoning, I want to use a familiar character to try the siege shit.

>>532532138
Wait for the rework and Lords of Shang-Yang DLC in a year and a half