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==NEWS==
>TailsTube #12 - Life Hackshttps://www.youtu.be/R3WmM7nVq_I
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Animation Teaserhttps://youtu.be/qFDJ6zMyq-k
>Sonic Racing - Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) - Performed by James Bourne of Bustedhttps://youtu.be/OR9FGj1Bj70
>Sonic Rumble global launch delayed:https://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/
==Comics Release Dates==
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog #5 - 23 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #80 - 30 July 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 24 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026
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Sonurge faggots are a disease.
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Isn't Sonic a western franchise?
Rosemary bro did you disappear
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Hello, everyone! Welcome back. To Hell!
Why are you still here?
I hope you are having a good day, /sthg/!
>>532560691He went to sleep.
>>532560695No, I'M THE BEST!
>>532560587>Hates Sonamy>>532560783>Hates SonamyI sense a pattern.
>>532560770Because this general is a reaction image goldmine, and because a handful of people are pleasant.
>>532560770To feel insecure because Sonic's theoretical pecker is slightly bigger than mine.
Tails and Amy talking about how much they love Sonic with each other!
Tails and Amy inspiring each other and bringing out the best in one another!
Tails and Amy spending time together when the wind isn't around!
Tails and Amy playing with cards together!
Tails and Amy cuddling during a thunderstorm, making Tails scared and Amy helping calm him down!
Tails and Amy!
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Why are the sonamybesties triggered by canon? Do they hate Sonic?
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>>532561104Cool art, fucking love Adventure-era (or Adventure-era-adjacent) Sonic art
I'd post some myself but I can't find any in my mess of an unorganized downloads folder I stuff all saved images into
>>532561214They're insecure.
Since we can all generally agree that Sonic Team fucking sucks ass at making video games, what studio would you like to see make a Sonic game?
>>532560585>>532561056Sonic, Shadow and Silver optimal size for human women.
>>532561421>Sonic Team fucking sucks ass at making video gamesNintendo yoinked some of their artists for the new 3D mario team and look at how good Odyssey and Bananza are
>>532560770To see the love that shines bright for Sonic and his friends through the abyss of hate
>>532561298None of those guys are Sonic's homies. Shadow in particular would shoot you for even joking about that.
>>532561421Kojima Productions with Fast Stranding: A psychosocial examination of speed and the meaning of freedom in the 21st century.
>>532560759This is still my favorite from him
>>532561421Nips fucking hate working on sonic so a western studio would be better. I still don't understand why sega didn't let whitehead and his goons make mania 2 at least
>>532561515>tfw too big for human womenGuess I'll stcik to blobs
Imagine being so autistic ally obsessed with shipping that a picture of Sonic and Surge fucking or Sally sucking Shadow off makes you angry and causes you to seethe
>>532560770Having proper chats and discussions with the rare nice sonic fans here makes it worth it for me. And while I haven't been here for that long, I genuinely wish the best for everyone, I just like being nice to people as much as I can and try to have fun!
Also I love saving cute pics of Amy, so that's a plus!
>>532561559Those are artists. Talking about gameplay here.
>>532561608He touch all of them in every place with every part of his body.
>>532561739All of the seethe posts are just Krack, quite literally.
>>532561725Whitehead and co got greedy
>>532561787sonic had a rough transition to 3D and later a rough transition to 2.5D (superstars)
>>532560770Because I'm not talking Sonic on twitter or reddit
>>532561421I wish the mania team made more classic games, one where is all new stages and one where they go with 3d since it would probably be better than superstars
>>532561843Since DK Bananza brought back some of Rare's old stuff such as Kremlings, Animal Friends and K Rool, a "Sonic Bananza" should use AoSTH characters (sarcasm)
>>532561696>Fast Stranding... I hate how much sense that makes as a Sonic game. Sonic is forced to get a job as a delivery boy and ends up getting lost in a philosophical nightmare.
>>532561725>I still don't understand why sega didn't let whitehead and his goons make mania 2 at leastSeething butthurt that some random Yank fuck made a better Sonic game than they could.
>>532561725That Riders Mina looks so cool.
>>532561421I like Sonic Team.
>>532561921i.e they asked for a respectable amount for their hard work and were given the boot, like Yuji Naka
>>532560770I like to repeat the same complaints over and over and I don't want to control my tendency to lack tact.
Sonurge is OOC slop.
Kiturge is canon.
Fuck you hedgehog colonizers, you have enough women.
Let them have each other.
Reminder that Diddy Kong Racing mogs both Mario Kart World AND Sonic Crossworlds
Mariobabs, Sonicbabs, kneel to the britGODs
I could've sworn I had already uploaded this one.
>>532562169another proof that sega's suits do not see sonic beyond being a brand of hellokitty aimed for boys
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>>532562232This is my favorite game of all time. We should play the DS version together.
>>532560770I'm trying to hold on to Sonic as a marker of my interests because I've already lost interest in a lot of media I used to hold dear and aspects of living in general, and I no longer know how to be genuine
But anyway, do you guys think the obsession with lore and insisting things must "make sense" has damaged storytelling in Sonic?
>>532562395>DS versionYou disgust me beyond words.
>>532562395The DS version is AIDS, hell no
At least do a netplay session of the N64 version
>>532562517That was supposed to be a D. Dammit.
>>532562225Yeah this is a based and uncontroversial ship.
It is evil SonAmy.
>>532562232I love how competitive it is since there is no randomness, almost every vehicle has its advantages and disadvantages (karts are fastest but have the least opportunity to take shortcuts, hovercrafts can go off road but are not as fast, planes can go anywhere but suffer the most from getting hit and the hardest to hit anyone else.
They are perfect for each other.
Built for one another.
Made to support her.
>>532562489>spoilerwhy do people ruin everything we love?
>>532562225You literally just want Surge to be a pedophile. Your ship goes against the creators wishes and you have the audacity to call anything ooc.
>>532560770Just to suffer
>>532562837He's trolling, just ignore.
Strictly speaking, the N64 and the Dreamcast are my favorite consoles because they and their games oozed the most soul.
>>532561019>Because this general is a reaction image goldmineThis
>>532562489>But anyway, do you guys think the obsession with lore and insisting things must "make sense" has damaged storytelling in Sonic?Depends. Realistically, nobody gives a shit about minor inconsistencies like the Tornado being red in one game and blue in another. When it's shit like pic related, where entire swathes of character development are shat on, that's where it becomes a problem.
>>532562837>You literally just want Surge to be a pedophile.They have the same age gap as Sonamy.
Kit is a tweenager and Surge is a teenager. Same as Sonamy.
>Your ship goes against the creators wishes and you have the audacity to call anything ooc.Source?
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>>532561725never forget this spergout, it somehow reminded me of jewelanon
Krack loves claiming Japan likes Shadria even though Shadouge and Sonadow are the most popular ships on Japan
Which one you fuckers stole my Surge plush
>>532563350>krack loves to lieShe's retarded, just tell her that she's unemployed and move on
>>532563415WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT, ANON?
>>532562837This makes no sense it is the same age gap as SonAmy.
Kit is 12.
>>532563007N64 is pure soul in terms of visuals. I like the dreamcast too but its a lot closer to 6th gen than the other 5th gen consoles.
>>532563183I think the cutscene in Forces is the worse one yet, since he kneels even harder yelling for sonic. Shit was so much of a character assassination that they had to retcon and literally mention it in Frontiers as a character flaw and not the writters being ass
>>532562837>You literally just want Surge to be a pedophileYes.
Surge and Kit are cute. I want to see Kit happy
Is Krack as embarrassing as Richmunk?
>>532563726Absolutely adorable!
>>532563802Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
Why did SoA lie to children with Mobius?
I don't understand why you people will see cute characters and somehow start comparing it to actual child abuse. It makes zero sense, and I see it as a mockery of those who actually suffer through that sort of thing
>>532563946Translation error.
The loop de loops were called 'Mobius strips' by JP devs and Sega of America interpreted that as the word for Sonic's world.
>>532563946Because SoJ couldn't be bothered to properly communicate that the planet with naturally occurring checkerboard loop de loops was apparently supposed to be Earth.
>>532564214>The loop de loops were called 'Mobius strips' by JP devsProof?
I don't mind kiturge, but to me it's the kinda deal were both characters eventually have to deal with questions of how much of their romance is just a side-effect from Starline's brainwashing, how much of it is unhealthy codependency and what part of it is actually mutual.
But also it's just fucking hot.
I am fully convinced SonUrge will not last long as IDW will continue to ruin this
Evan is a SonAmy shipper therefore SonUrge is not canon.
>>532564395>implying Sonurge shippers care about the comic
I'm sorry, but I never liked the setting being Earth. The reason so many people readily accepted Mobius is because this being an alien planet was much easier to accept.
if you type a ship name LikeThis. rope yourself
>>532565010It's just like Dragon Ball Earth. Get over it. Even your Lord Ian doesn't care about the name Mobius.
>>532563768No, she's just Slashys obsession
Same as Richmunk is awfs.
Slashy and AWF attempt to get people to laugh at other people they percieve to be more pathetic than them to make them seem morally superior, when actually they are as or more stupid than the people they call out.
>>532565010The only term I want from Archie is Mobian. It's easier than saying anthropomorphic characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog series
>>532565063TailReamNilla
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>>532565219You can just call them by their species?
>>532565010Earth is better because Sonic was always meant to have humans and it makes sense for humans to live on Earth. Mobius implies that Sonic's world is filled with anthros like him
>>532565232>>532565247>Other anons, OUT>Guards. ENTER
>>532565209Okay I am deleting the post because I don't want to give your delusions merit.
Why are sonamyfags so insecure...?
>>532565360NOT THE ROACH CREW NO
>>532565430Found the Slashy
It hilarious to me how Sage coming to IDW is being hyped up as this massive change for the comic when all its going to be is just the same comic but now Sage is around.
>>532565349Mobius got humans and got racist mobians who hate humans. "Mobius" got a level of fantasy and mysticism to it that just plain "Earth".
>>532565567>ABT fighting the urge to give Sage honkers
>>532565649Archie was based.
>>532565649I'm not saying this to be edgy but a certain amount of racism does wonders for any fantasy world.
>>532560371 (OP)>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/
>>532565430Just delete the post next time and don't reply.
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>>532565649Sonic's earth is fantastical and has surreal landscapes, I don't really see the problem. And again I think Earth just works better with the more pseudo realistic settings that the franchise has, plus the humans
The movies use a totally realistic Earth and do just fine, though the movies have a two world thing just like X
>>532565873Nobody cares drawnigger
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>>532565649That sounds like shit. Glad the canon doesn't have that.
I love the reboot version, because there's mobians and humans living together with no explanation because fuck you. It's genuinely great. Wish the games would just do that without making a fuss about it.
>>532565873I care drawfriend
>>532560732Doritos > chili dogs
>>532565687he'll give her a plump rump if he can't draw rouge and lanolin tits
>>532565806... on a shitty cartoon that was nothing like Sonic and was thankfully cancelled.
>>532566024But the games did exactly that until Forces I guess
>>532566071He'll go the tatsumaki route
>>532566056>DoritosBut which flavor of Doritos?
Forces did immeasurable damage on the franchise
>>532565873I can't tell if he was waiting for someone to point this out to sperg out over it, or if he was so annoyed no one gave him attention and he pointed it out himself to try to spark something. Funny either way.
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>>532560732>>532566056What about chilly(sic) dogs?
>>532566013Sega is allowing IDW to use Sage?
>>532566172Kinda. Sonic and friends were the only visible mobians for the most part. There weren't any mobian NPCs except for in Rush, and that was a different dimension.
God, I fucking hope some based modder steps up and makes a total overhaul for Crossworlds, straight-up purging all those shitty generic furry blobian NPCs that clutter the background like a bad IDW fever dream and replace 'em with actual humans
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>>532566632There is not even a modern Sonic mod for Superstars! No one will bother.
>>532566080Kits blue. It's the closest she'll ever get to Sonic, may as well.
>>532566502Yep. And they're advertising that Belle's part of it. It's time.
>>532566502Yep. About damn time too.
>>532560371 (OP)Sonic shouldn't have a girlfriend cause I don't find that relatable.
>>532566824I wonder why Yardley deleted his booby Surge. Did Sega or IDW tell him he can't make such things?
>>532566550Yeah when it comes to the animal characters they only showed the main ones and not any NPCs. But they were still treated like regular people so who knows. That was a thing in the classic era too kinda
>>532566524Yes!
>>532566810There's a SatAM Sonic mod with Sally. They are going to mod Sally into the game
>>532566810There's a mod that makes Superstars that gives Sonic his gameplay from Rush and uses the Rush model but the guy who made it refused to release it for some reason
>>532566975^-^
>>532566875This is hoping for too much. Belle sucks.
>>532563802Duofag will never beat the bot allegations.
>>532567198I think Belle's cute
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>>532567349https://files.catbox.moe/xaj0ug.mp4
>>532566502>Sega is allowing IDW to use Sage?Anon, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only thing Ian and Evan are allowed to do with Sage in the comic is use her as a background character.
They're not allowed to give her a new personality or backstory.
I'm a bit annoyed that the one screenshot I took of the webm with surge in a dress is now being spammed by Bonsaardude. Surge is hot, but for the love of god quit it with the cuckshit
>>532566975Yeah, Sonic's World TM has always been super weird and confusing. Why the hell is Sega so apparently freaked out by the idea of furries and humans living in a mix society?
>>532567712Don't blame me, she's hot in a dress.
>>532567712its his new weekly obsession sorry.
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>>532567712And here's confirmation that I was completely right
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>>532567719Gaymers are so cucked holy fuck
Companies have been slowly opening their customers' legs each year and the gaymers just fucking take it
Boiling the frog
>>532567719This was always canon.
Mario and Peach never dated.
Anyone familiar with Mario lore would know this.
Mario got explicitly rejected by Peach in Odyssey.
They are not and have never been an item.
Mario and Peach is a form of courtly love.
Peach and Mario are friends, nothing more, nothing less, because Peach, while appreciative of Mario's efforts, does not view him as a suitable mate and it'd be a scandal in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Mario has only ever dated Pauline canonically. And they're exes.
>>532567892That one right there
I would pick up and thrash
>>532567619They've been outright advertising her appearance a bit too heavily for that.
https://x.com/IDWPublishing/status/1947695703175663769
The original Sonic Chronicles is so dirty when you remember the official reason Shade was created: https://youtu.be/i0RKj6vFe3k?si=wNF8yeyQl0LIyCl7&t=707
>>532567719They also continue to insist that Mario is in his early 20s. There are times when logically, the canon is just plain wrong. This is one of those times. Peach fucks that, sorry.
>>532568035Mario and Peach were never a couple.
Only tourists think they were.
They've always been good friends.
Peach has never displayed affection to Mario beyond kisses on the cheek and sweets.
This is normal for family members and friends.
Peach rejected Mario's explicit advances in Odyssey, almost a decade ago.
>>532568043Don't Mario and Daisy kiss in Mario Land or something
>>532568065Cute and canon.
>>532567719Mario deserves better. Amy deserves better.
>>532568216They could've been fucking and Nintendo could said "they're not together" LMAO!!!!!!!~!~!!
>>532567918I don't blame anyone who wants to rail this
>>532563946Sonic's planet original never had an official name in Japanese; SOA made it up to make the setting more compelling of Wester Audiences
In the Japanese classic manuals the earliest mention of earth is in Sonic 3 with 地上(ground),which is not the proper noun for Earth used in Japanese, which is apparently 地球 (chikyuu), but was later localized to English proper, big-e "Earth",
This might be way games like Colors call it "Sonic's World", because, like "Eggman's Robots" it never had a name
Was proper "Earth (地球/ chikyuu") ever used in Japanese prior to the meta era outside of Sonic X?
Can /sthg/ help identify this track I'm looking for? I was in some Sonic spaces a while ago and found a track which sounded like Chao garden menu music, particulary the Sonic Adventure OST. It had a ambient dream-like quality, relaxing but also upbeat. There was some sparkling/ chime in the background. There was some subdued vocal sample that kinda sounded like Navi saying "listen" from LoZ in the background. The title was something like "My Mall". I think the associated image was a mall too. Pretty sure this was on YouTube.
Reminded me a lot of the BIOS screens from older consoles as well.
>>532567892Because they know that human x blobian shipping would skyrocket if they made it official and canon.
>>532568492Sonic's planet was called Earth in a Riders game.
>>532563946Because SoA thought they knew Sonic better and wanted to completely take over
>>532568708They were right.
>>532567465https://anonpaste.com/share/sonic-chronicles-fangame-clips-v2-9f10c521ed
I like the final color blaster
>>532568776That's debatable. But you're gonna have to do it with someone else
>>532568507>half lid shit>crackshipShadow would never love anybody who isn't Maria
>>532568785Bunchie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyfh16GUNh0
>>532568647Oh no... How terrible?
>>532568647Sega will never stop being mindbroken by Elise becoming a laughingstock, will they?
>>532568561I know the one you mean, I think it's either Chao Garden music or Sonic CD music
Give me a second while I look
>>532568338>>532567918Imagine Sonic and friends attending some kind of fancy event, only for Surge to show up in a fancy black dress and Kit in a mini tuxedo, both looking completely out of place and subtly fucking with them
Surge gets super drunk and starts flipping over tables and starts aggressively flirting with people and tazing them until she has to be physically escorted out of the building by security
>>532566365If you get this wrong I will splash this coffee on you and punch you
>>532567719>Localization shitMario and Peach are ambiguous and said to be very close in japanese
>>532567892>>532568647We need to convince corpos furriesxhumans are an allegory for racemixing and they will comply
>>532568492The proper noun "Earth" has not been used in any english media either actually with the sole exception of one phrase in Sonic Prime.
>>532568957Fuck the haters. Elise literally did nothing wrong. Motherfuckers have been seething at this girl for years cause she fell in love with a boy her age. Pathetic.
>>532569049that's actually kino
>>532569049In-character but most likely Kit would be the one carrying and protecting her
>>532567719>>532569069Why does the West hates having a main lead with a potential girlfriend?
>>532566749I don't like Kit as Riku, because as a "Dark Tails", he's more fitting for a character that's a "Dark Sora". Riku is a Knuckles kind of rival, not Shadow. For Tails, that'd be Speedy or something.
I think of Kit as Vanitas, and Nine as Roxas.
Riku is a taller, cooler, older brother kind of rival to Sora, like a darker Sonic while Sora himself is Tails trying to catch up to him. Hence why I say "Speedy" is a better fit.
>>532569161Maybe she shouldn't be a fucking whore and close her legs for once. She's a perfect example of why foids can't be given power they ruin it all for their disgusting used roast beef flaps
>>532569145Hope came around later - Chris just wasn't old enough for her taste yet.
https://files.catbox.moe/rsiyo2.mp4
>>532569316Kit would be too busy trying to spike Tails's drinks with battery acid and kill him
>>532569145This is so much funnier knowing she's actually in her late teens and just happens to look like a little girl for no reason
No more UK anons, let’s make fun of fleetway
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>>532569424Yes but Kit cares more about Surge than anything in the world.
>>532569425Robotnik genes are some bullshit. Home girl got stuck on the Snively side of the pool.
>>532560585>urge to groom Charmy grows exponentially
>>532569225If shadow showed even a hint of liking amy in canon I’d support it over sonamy
>>532569332That didn't used to be the case. Sonic literally have a bitch for quite a while and it was western exclusive
>>532569569Fleetway's good
There are funny moments though
>>532568696In Japanese, did they say Chikyū (地球)-Proper Earth, or Chijō(地上), which seems to be translated as like "on land"?
>>532569569I really need to read StC at some point. It has Tekno in it, and she's apparently just a better version of Tails since she's a cute bird girl who's crazy and loves to blow shit up.
>>532569773>Sonic literally have a bitchhad*
>>532569906Sounds like someone Bean would like.
This new trend of making the obvious love interest be a good friend or bestie is hilarious. Sonic and Amy probably bang when no one's looking. Same with Mario and Peach. The censorship is pointless.
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And that’s how bean was born
>>532568970Nah this track wasn't from Sonic at all. It just sounded remiscent of that "lofi pop" vibe that Chao Garden lobby music had.
>>532569387This is an /ss/ pairing now
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>>532570047>ummmmm i will imagine my ship being canon ummmmmmm
>>532569854No, it just had Earth in english printed for Sonic.
>>532569069>>532569332You actually want your significant other to be your "good friend," to not want that is a weird western phenomenon that ruined many girls.
>>532560770Stop avatarfagging.
>>532568561This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArJdLFib9g&list=OLAK5uy_nbEEO6Gi3xWtEXmmH6cV_JAlIMY2o6oWo&index=20
>>532570374that sounds about right. You already get along well so it's easier to not get divorced or have a relationship that's purely just sex
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>>532570047Hahaha... hahaHa! HAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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>>532570374How else are they gonna marry and have kids?
>>532570454>"humans" >technicolor hairI hate "artists" so much
>HOVER covering her assAnd they're a bunch of filthy cowards too.
>>532569906She's a fun character
She switches from crazy scientist to one half of sarcastic pair Amy and Tekno
There's fun moments there
Rheal's fanfic is so strange since it's supposed to SPECIFICALLY be Underground Sonic meaning a lot of that redeemnic shit should be out of the window
>>532570568Oh no... no... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
UHHOOH MUH SACRED SHADOW!
PEEING IN HIS MOUTH AND MAKING HIM LICK MY FLOPPY PUSSY CLEAN
>>532570765I believe you. From the panels I've seen, she seems like a highlight of the book. Girl makes erring bombs. That's pretty fucking based, I must say.
>>532570568Let me guess is this the Western bullshit about how the main girl and the main guy never end up together?
>>532570047Wait until you hear about the reboot where they're siblings or even twins.
>>532571274Nope. 100% Japanese.
>>532570568>"I know, let's add ton of teasing between the two in the dub."
>>532571274The director of the second digimon movie thought they were endgame and didn't realize he was setting an entire generation of shipperfags up for failure
>>532571347I used to love Tiny Toon Adventures as a kid. It's such a shame they never made any continuation or reboot of it, at all, ever...
The main guy and girl were blue and pink versions of the same species, with no relation, just like Sonic and Amy. It'd be crazy if they ever messed that up entirely....
>>532570374I literally just had someone (once "good friend" even) who rejected me crawl back after she temporarily moved to Tokyo. Weird feeling.
I couldn't anymore. I could feel her regret, but it's like, why would you bring me to tears if you were going to change your mind, you know?
Shoot AOSTH fags
Burn SATAM fags
Skin Archie fags
Throw acid at Fleetway fags
Stomp Underground fags heads
Drown Boom fags
Eviscerate Prime fags
Cut in half vertically (starting at the crotch) IDW fags
Impale anally Movie fags and letting them rot
>>532571274The Japanese writer of original digimon said himself he doesn't like it when the main guy and girl end up together so she ends up with the rival and the MC gets a nameless wife
>>532571958he sounds based af
It gets tiresome having to constantly filter out Slashy's image dumps.
>>532571528The dub adds in a quick joke about cheating btw. Next time Tai and Sora are alone and together someone asks Matt if he's worried Tai would try something
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>>532560770Because this place is “cool” in the sense i don’t have to deal with gestapo tone police
>>532572108What's with Amy and crazy green girls?
>>532569682When you realize she's shorter than Sally, meaning she's likely shorter than Sage
>>532572426you need to die
Sonic finding Surge drunk in the hot tub
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Sorry but this is the original Enemies to Lovers
>>532571274No ship has ever been destroyed with so much unanimous fan outcry than Taiora. At least with Zutara it lost to a more obvious pairing.
This retarded obese unemployed shadriashipper thinks that I take ships seriously haha
>>532573348I don't think she ever thought that. If anything your problem is that you don't take the series seriously enough
>>532573348Go away, you're annoying.
It's okay, hetero romance fans. You'll always have Bunnie and Antoine.
>>532573460She keeps taunting me with all kinds of attacks on the ships I like because she somehow thinks I’ll get riled up like she does.
You've also got Breezie and Metal, if you're into villain stuff.
Stop providing this idiot with surge pics
>>532573784What a bitter retard haha
>>532567719I can’t believe you guys haven’t figured out they’re never putting the obvious couples together unless they’re straight up ending the franchise. The “will they won’t they” is what keeps you morons coming back
post characters with big butts now
>West
If you've ever watched a romance anime you know that the couple doesn't get anywhere near close to confessing until the second to last episode
>>532570367My autism made me look this up
The English dub has the proper "Earth", but in Japanese Earth is not mentioned
>>532571764You're probably better off. She probably turned you down in her self-absorbed Western "every girl has her options" phase, got dicked by japs in every orifice, and is wondering where all the good guys have gone.
>CLAPBACK
THAT'S FUCKING RIGHT
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>>532574140Did that guy molest someone at a convention?
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>>532549314Alright, listen Sonicbab. I don't know who that melanated fellow is, but it sure would help if you stopped being vague and gave me some context for your projection.
>>532574929I like magical lesbian spawn
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Comforting Tails when he’s sad
>>532574140Don't IDW artists actively listen to and take feedback in regards to their art? Evan literally changed her style to more closely match the game art.
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>>532566824There needs to be more exposed cleavage
>>532565317>From a M/F ship to a F/M shipThis seems kind of like an unnecessary lateral move
>>532575098So was this before or after uwuver?
>>532574140Who exactly is he quoting?
>>532575521>Mama RobotnikHOLY SHIT
>>532575189And you all still hate her guts. I have no idea why that woman still cares about trying to please Sonic fans. At this point, the correct course of action to actively troll the fanbase.
>>532575804>And you all still hate her gutsBut I don't.
>>532575804No I fucking don’t.
Evan cannot draw human women.
>>532575804i respect evan because unlike ian she was able to walk back and admit that she was getting carried away in her own headcanon. i don't like idw, but evan has my respect as a person.
>>532576064Would you stop hating Evan if she learned to draw human women?
>we like Evan now
You guys are confusing. Make up your minds.
>>532576252have you considered the possibility that this place isn't one person and if you're seeing overwhelming hate for evan that isn't the same as unanimous hate
>>532560585So that's why he's called Big...
>>532576350No, you either like Evan or you don’t and the general defaults to the majority opinion. None of you are truly that nuanced.
>>532571528You're thinking of Ash and Misty.
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>>532575804I like her, but I do think she went way overboard when it came to woobifying Silver, so I understand the backlash.
That being said, now it feels like she and the other IDW artists have been OVERCORRECTING him, and now Silver just has a permanent Chadhan-esque scowl on his face even when it doesn't fit the scene at all.
They really need to find a happy medium with him.
>>532560371 (OP)Wonder Woman's huge veiny... arm pressed against Amy's cute pink butt.
>>532575521>Blaze that lowLies
>>532576173I also want her to get some better writing skills, at the very least stop shoving OCs and run on plots like Flynn does.
>>532576525I wish I was that arm
Evan's art is great outside of humans and machines.
>>532576685Will you stop hating her if she does that?
>>532576525>Weight>Secret! teehee>Makes wonder woman's arm go veiny
If Evan didn't want backlash why did she take a character who was a simple "Future warrior" archetype and turn him into a "cute little cupcake"? Surely she understood that if she did that with Knuckles, Shadow, or even Sonic the fandom (Which is mostly comprised of young boys and immature adults) would respond aggressively?
I'm not even saying they're right, I'm saying their reaction could be seen coming from a mile away. Shonenfags don't like Deku archetypes at all, let alone the exaggerated uwufication of them online.
>>532576937Yes ma'am.
If she wrote a storyline that was entirely self contained I would already be defending her writing as it would be a real step in the right direction
>>532577059Silver is future Superman.
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>Archie:290 issues
>IDW: 83 so far
could IDW hypothetically pull out some "issue 500" bullshit like pic related??
>>532576503>she went way overboard when it came to woobifying Silver, so I understand the backlash.She didn't do it on purpose. All the Archie alumni just thought he was like that
>now it feels like she and the other IDW artists have been OVERCORRECTING him, and now Silver just has a permanent Chadhan-esque scowl on his face even when it doesn't fit the scene at all.I don't really see it but I think they have to get used to his proper eyes before they can make him really expressive. He still looked like an idiot in that issue.
>>532577309It will not last long enough as a company
>>532576525>>532576979Didnt Wonder Woman lift half of infinity?
I don't know why people act like the silverbacklash is just an autism thing. In the cases of Sonic and Shadow, yes, they do not act like their game counterparts AT ALL but it's close enough that the only people who would notice are fanboys.
With Silver she just wholesale replaced his entire character with something she thought was cute. Every defense of it is basically the same "At least he has personality now" which doesn't address the issue at all of it just not being Silver.
Imagine getting death threats from fans of a shitty Trunks ripoff.
>>532575804Anon, I don't care about the art, I just want Evan to fix the idw sonic problem. I'm getting tired of every arc ending the same way, with no good results, no stakes, no drama, for God's sake. It's been 79 issues and Evan still hasn't improved her writing.
>>532568110Wow she is cute
>>532577621You blame Evan when Ian did that shit for over a decade in Archie.
>>532577260Why is her head so big?
>>532577634It's funny because Trunks got Uwufied thrice. GT Trunks. Future Trunks, and aged up Z-Trunks are all Uwu compared to Future Trunks introduction. Evan was just unintentionally following the inspiration.
>>532577763I want self contained stories so I don't mind stories having no lasting impact. I want them to be written like they need to put all the enjoyable aspects in the plot all at once.
>>532568065I find this an acceptable solution, good job
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>>532577803We get it QQ, you want to suck Evan's asexual teats. She wrote Silver OOC so fans of Silver do not like her. Fans of the games now know that she is just a shitty fanfic artist like the rest of IDW. Get over it.
>>532577059>young boys and immature adultsThe fandom and its top talent simply doesn't represent the average consumer of Sonic products. I really resent that everyone whose vocal about Sonic in America is some shitlib dweebs colonizing a literal shonen franchise to peddle their lame garbage. Nobody involved in this franchise is cool, they don't know how to make cool things, and they don't know what cool things are.
The comic book writers who are trying to apply their shitty, long-form storytelling to a series that has never worked that way. They don't understand that "self-contained" doesn't mean "disconnected." It means each story has a proper beginning, middle, and end, and you're not left with a million cliffhangers for the next dozen issues. This is why IDW is such a fucking mess. The people who defend it can never actually tell you what's good about it, they just scream "IT'S CANON, TRUST ME!" Canon to what? A series where the writers at Sonic Team have been freestyling and making shit up as they go for 30 years? They just slap on narrative band-aids to cover up all the contradictions.
Just give us fun, self-contained adventures. That's what Sonic is. We don't need every single plot point to bleed into the next five arcs. Keep that serialized garbage out of here.
>>532578173>to a series that has never worked that waythat's a shitpost. but yes, it's the writers fault.
>>532578173the Classic Comics do this, and so do the annuals and Mini series
I thinks the writes have said the lengthy editorial process(not mandates, but the corporate review process) from Sega leads to creative friction
>>532578173>Just give us fun, self-contained adventures.You'll find a way to bitch about that too. You don't want fun. You want to complain.
>>532577325>he didn't do it on purpose. All the Archie alumni just thought he was like thatWhy didn't they just play a Sonic game and confirm that Silver has never behaved like a vulnerable little snuggleball? Why didn't they play a Sonic game and confirm that Shadow is not a calm and collected elder brother who rests his eyelids all the time? Why didn't they play a Sonic game and confirm that Sonic goes hours, days, months at a time without cracking a fucking joke? These are writers paid to WRITE these CHARACTERS? Correct?
>>532578387Blame Sega for the lack of quality control.
>>532578502They don't want to play the games
sonegg sonegg sonegg sonegg sonegg
The idw defender whining throughout the thread about Evan is Lettuce. He doesn't really care about characterization, just his ships. He's always been like this. He also thinks lowly of Sonic fans.
>>532578481People here loved Scrapnik Island.
>>532578440Not the annuals or miniseries always, the classic series does so this as does Scrapnik but that is about it.
The annuals are extremely spotty with quality and clearly constantly tie into the main comic.
>>532578047Ian is legitimately more responsible for Uwuver than Evan. Everything that's wrong with IDW Silver is in Archie but you don't see it because Archie Silver had shonen moments.
>>532578502>Why didn't they just play a Sonic game? >play a Sonic gameYes, anon. Why indeed didn't they just stab themselves in the leg and wiggle the knife around.
>>532578440The comic would not be noticeably better if there were less restrictions.
>>532578630I take no one seriously here so I don't care. I stopped taking sonic as a whole seriously honestly
>>532578636>People here loved Scrapnik Island.For five minutes until the hivemind decided it was tryhard overemotional shit in which Sonic is once again somehow out of character.
>>532578883I am not seeing that. Barnes is given way more love than any other writer currently on the franchise.
>>532578769Thoughts on Shadria?
>>532578502Ian doesn't play video games. He has his wife and Kyle play games for him then reads wikis for the rest of his information. Seriously, his wife comes on beats games for him when Kyle can't do it, it happens on his let's play channel.
>>532578959What an specific question
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>There are people who thought Sonic comic books were ever in-character
Even the Freedom Fighters are OOC in Archie. Throughout the entire comic. This should be common knowledge by now, Hurst and Penders were enemies and Ian based his writing off of Penders.
>>532578745Your probably right, but I'm not talking about less restrictions, but rather inconsistent guidance; both Evan and Ian have talked about this, especially in regards to working on IDW
This has been a consistent problem with the franchise since its inception and Sega seems to have a shorter leash on IDW
>>532579036What is your point
SEGA doesn't have people who are savvy on every facet of Sonic lore?
>>532579456The fact is neither wants to make a comic like the games.
Notice that Barnes has said that Sega was easy to work with
>>532579624Sega doesn’t have people who care about Sonic at all
>>532579685What about the lore team?
>>532578745You're probably right, but I'm not talking about less restrictions, but rather inconsistent guidance; both Evan and Ian have talked about this, especially in regards to working on IDW
and frankly, this has been a consistent problem with the franchise since its inception though this time Sega seems to have a shorter creative leash on IDW which no doubt has contributed to the comic's weaknesses
>>532579624You don't actually need to be savvy on Sonic lore at all. Just copy over the characterizations from the games.
Blade of Courage and Sonic X are both far from perfect, but their characters are based on the games. A lot of fans won't notice the extreme red flags (Sonic not getting angry during the SA2 arc is OOC. Sonic fearing water is OOC. Sonic behaving with manipulation in mind is OOC) But it's close enough that NOBODY CARES.
AOSTH is just fine. Honestly even SatAM is tolerable if he'd just stfu. But then they start experimenting with deconstruction. Romance drama. Trying to add insecurities that these characters have never had before and the cracks start to show. Sonic is an adventure series not your fucking therapy book.
>Have to go ghost hunting with a friend in supposedly the most haunted place in my state.
Sonic characters for this feel?
>>532579624No. No they do not.
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>>532579569Not the mimes!!
If sthg was made up entirely of windfags it would be a net positive. The fact that we had morons here who thought IDW was acceptable is insane. You had flaming red OOC staring you right in the face. Half of you people can't even recognize actual japanese Sonic content when its right in front of you.
You really let the comics tell you who these characters are. Pathetic.
>>532579947Werehog and Knuckles are out here hunting some ghosts
>>532568110>>532577260Imagine being medically assisted by a creature that barely reaches your hip
>>532579668True, and not to knock his writing abilities, but Barnes only had to worry about making a mini series and a one-off story, editorial seems more responsive and better able to handle those; but the ongoing seems to have struggles
Why is Evan so hateable to so many? She gets blamed way more than Ian does, I've even seen normie fans dislike her for how she handled Lanolin.
Why did Eggman make a big tiddy ninja badnik?
>>532579104So your opinion on the characters is worthless. Good to know!
>>532580140I think ghosts are BS but I don't want him to get stabbed by a homeless person or something,
Shadria is cute and makes me happy! :)
>>532579947>anon is going to get spooked by HyudorosRIP
>>532580503Dogfucking coded.
>>532580283>Saucenao>Pokemon>Hilda giving a Pignite a rimjobalright then
>>532580391>likes badniks>likes tiddies>likes the females blobiansI'm thinking he's based.
>>532578769Being unable to understand something as simple as Sonic characters is embarrassing
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>>532580538No? That's really weird.
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>>532580167Silly Tails, you saw ghosts yourself at Sandopolis Zone
>>532580167Why is knuckies scared of ghosts?
>>532579764>but rather inconsistent guidanceThis. They literally give no direction for how some characters are depicted. Even when working directly with Sonic Team Speedy being green went uncorrected for all of Archie.
>>532581081According to Sega Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles are canon, but not Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Tails is nowhere to be seen in S&K so I guess he never saw them
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>>532581081Clearly those were just effects
>>532580729Funny, to me Saucenao doesn't show that.
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If you ever believed Ian Flynn's writing matched the characters, you should leave.
Shadow is so cute and perfect and handsome. My husband!
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>>532581395Neither does mine...
>>532580729Anon-kun, what have you been doing?
The comparisons to Trunks and Shadow are far more damaging to Silver's reputation than his uwufication. The uwufication is just a byproduct of women and effeminate men trying to find something worth liking about him when his few positive moments are spread across multiple games and a cancelled comic. If Silver was to ever be cool to boys like Trunks or Shadow, then it needed to have been right after 06 to course correct the character, and being a japanese company that was not happening. Now Silver is in a position to get fucked by shippers who are calling the shots because it was not the fanbase crying that saved Silver; it was gabs and other silveryumes that threatened with their wallets and gossip. Silver wasn't saved. He was moved to another prison
>>532581395I clicked on the gelbooru, danbooru, and even the e621 icons on the right to see the other artwork
The rule of sperg.
If you sperg out about something then you will just work against whatever you wanted.
>>532581238But that doesn't make sense. Where would Tails go after the Big Arm fight? Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles are part of the same story. I'm also pretty sure both games are connected in Origins
I just read the Jet Black Shadow manga
Wow holy shit this is amazing, So much better than the Sonic one.
>>532581846idk maybe he just fucked off
>>532581846back to his home planet
I like Tails because he has two Tails and he uses them to fly
And also because he's cute, and his gameplay is fun
>>532580317It was probably because the story is CLEARLY self contained
>>532581706Wow...Maria was so lucky, bros...
Halflidshit aside I wish people wouldn't depict Shadow smoking desu, it feels kind of like they just saw his design and assumed he's a stereotypical bad boy who'd screw around and do drugs. But Shadow is a very 'pure' character and canonically doesn't drink alcohol, why would he smoke?
>Watching ghost movies with Knuckles
>Feel him grip you tightly during the scare scenes
>Kiss his little forehead and hug him
>>532582103Calm down Willoghby
>>532582186Avatarfagging tailspedo.
>532582186
>532581990
Samefagging homopedophile.
>>532582103>he breaks your arm
I wish I was Wade and got to hang out with Knuckles…
>>532582165cutie dumb dumb
>>532581910Baste. What was your favorite part of it? Favorite panels/pages/scenes etc.? I'm pretty happy with Jet Black Hedgehog too, I bought all 6 issues and the full release as well. I have some nitpicks but they're minor enough, especially when compared to other Shadow depictions.
Willoughby fingering herself with Knuckles in the electrocage
Lotta samefagging retards 'round here.
>>532581889Why is Blaze homophobic?
>>532582089When I was a teenager I used to think Shadow would use drugs to cope or gain strength but nowadays I think that idea is kinda ugly and I don't like it anymore. I think you raised a good point too
Evan is too obsessed with the OCs and Archie writing.
Oh yeah, I just love Sonic when he has absolutely no personality. Really makes him unforgettable.
>>532582587Utterly soulless
>>532581715None of this would be a problem if ST did a better job of laying out his character and didn't let Americans do whatever they want with him. This has been a problem since 06.
>>532566056Oh, bullshit. Once I had chili on my dog I can't ever go bad to regular hot dogs again. They're like Hot Dog 2.0
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Tailsfags…assemble
>>532581715Silver was always bad because 06 did an unbelievably atrocious job at establishing him or making us care about him in any way. He's literally just some hobo from the future that gets fooled around
>nearly all of the agent willoughby fanart on the internet is from sthg
Damn. I went looking for some. I must be the only Sonic fan who's main fetish is human women.
>>532582527Please refrain from calling the customer retarded, ma'am.
>>532582686https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKxf0NQyb0c
>>532582587>Manic and Tania have normal eyes since they're not wind possessed like Sonic and Sonia.
>>532583002Cute cute cute!!!
>>532583018Stealing this headcanon since Manic and Tania have no powers while Sonic and Sonia do
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>>532582826No that is me.
>>532582826age regressed willowby is cute
>>532583342Aaaaahhhh <3 <3 <3
Shadria is love
Shadria is life
>>532582795This. Most people can't tell you anything about his personality from just 06.
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I'm not samefagging you dipshit
>>532581715Gabs is the single most destructive figure in the entire fandom right now and it doesn't even come close. She is the ground zero for so much bullshit.
>>532570568I have no clue why nobody told each other that Sora and Matt were a thing at the JP side, that is still really funny.
>>532571347>Tiny ToonsI still wonder how they chose to make two characters who have tongue fucked on screen a pair of siblings, just doesn't add up.
Aren't you ashamed of being a raging faggot on top of a massive pedophile? I would honestly just kill myself.
>>532583469Because they haven't played the game and rightfully didn't pay attention to his unfortunately lackluster story. He does show personality in the game though. What he says he loses a life, it's so simple, but that alone already tells you a lot about his character. And the game is kinda hard, so if you make a serious attempt at playing it you're going to hear it a lot
>>532582534It's my impression from what I've found that Shadow doesn't like it when his senses are dulled/blunted or his mind is altered. That would extend to drugs.
>>532583120It fucks me up that it seems we still don't have the Sonic X Style Guide in full.
what if Sonic were evil, but truly evil. Like running down the sidewalk during the busiest hours of central square, completely massacring everything in his path kind of evil
IDW needs a style guide for humans.
>>532583018>Even in western continuities Sonic gets to use everyone else's skills
>>532574980Whomst the fuck are you trying to fool you retarded Marionigger? Who the fuck isn’t aware of one of the most famous celebrities in America?
>>532583775Who are you talking to?
>>532583818What specific thing did you find that made you think that? It sounds reasonable, I'm just curious
>>532583776I like Rivals version more but that game is dubiously canon
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Did you notice, it's obvious when krack is talking to herself to create fake engagement about Shadow and Shadria.
>>532584041Perci's a creep
>>532584019I haven't played Rivals yet so I can't comment on it much, but from the few short videos I've seen posted here it seems to do a better job at communicating his character through story. Either way communicating the characters during gameplay is something the Adventure style games did really well. One of the many things I miss from the 2000s
>>532584116>this is beforeages got canceledI mean...we don't KNOW how old she is...
>>532583776>What he says he loses a life,What?
>>532579789SHITdow
GREEDdow
FATHOGdow
>>532584324I think what anon means is what Silver says when you lose a life when playing as him
>>532584323She is old enough for Sonic and Knuckles to want to fuck and she's taller than Amy
>>532583935Cope.
>posts an obsolete imageThe Switch 2 has two games now, Sonicbab. Where's SEGA's new console? Where's Dreamcast 2? Oh, right, you were BTFO'd by Sony.
Now kneel before MarioKINGS and go buy Bananza, retard.
>>532584323IIRC ages were never given for the Boom continuity.
>>532584323>Honey the Cat first in line to defend pedophiles That tracks.
To the guy who lied numerous threads ago that SA1 Eggman did not try to destroy station square in Japanese.
>Ooh! It's happening exactly as it said on the stone tablet! Mwhahaha, Sonic! Chaos here becomes more powerful with every Chaos Emerald he gets. If I collect all seven Chaos Emeralds, he will grow into the ultimate monster! I'll use him to destroy Station Square...! And build my ideal city over the ruins, Eggmanland! Muhahahaha! Alright, Chaos! We're leaving to look for the next Emerald!
>Chaos has been defeated, and the Egg Carrier has sunk. In that case, I'll do whatever it takes to destroy Station Square!
He very clearly in the Japanese version has the exact same plan.
I have no idea why you got the impression JP Eggman in SA1k did not have genocidal intentions towards station square.
>>532584151They're okay games if you like 2.5d stuff like klonoa, but if you only care about the story stick to youtube. The Shadow and Metal team up was my favorite part since it actually tried to do something new with them.
>>532584532They are for the TV show.
Sonic confirms that the main four are canonically tweenagers.
>>532584758He was shitposting and lying.
>>532584834Westshit *saved Sonic 3
>next episode of CrossWorlds crosstalk
>>532584763Well I do like Klonoa's gameplay so that sounds great
Besides I prefer playing games for myself over watching someone else play them. It's not that big of a deal if I end up not liking the gameplay, it was worth a shot anyway
Chilidogs were a mistake, MJ was a mistake, Robotnik was a mistake, Star Wars was a mistake.
>>532575241Surge has the tiniest chest
Bros, please post more Tails
>>532584532>>532584813>go to Tails' Sonic Boom page on Sonic Wiki Zone>they cite a source for Age: 8AHA! Case clo-
>Steven Frost: Oh, gotcha. There isn't really any sort of official difference in age, but the way they act comes across maybe a bit older....
Goddamn the fucking wiki. No wonder Sonic fans are so retarded.
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>>532585087Stopping at Nagasaki was a mistake
>>532563341He was based for this.
You wish you had this power.
>>532585291Why did you say that?!
>>532585291tailsurge is kino
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>>532585368Gonna cry? Japshit games and their retarded purists are why this franchise sucks assballs
>>532575521Wow, someone saved my retardation.
>>532585234Is Rivals the first game to have visible damage and dirt on the shoes in the promo renders?
We should memory hole Iizuka, Toyoda and Maekawa, and start from scratch.
>>532582686What's good nyigguuh
>>532585234Bruh where's Silver lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVeAx1eKyEw What if Shadow raised Sonic?
>>532582362>What was your favorite part of it?Shadow Smiling
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>>532585687Yo what the fuck?! Sauce?
>>532579569She should lose her dress.
What if Sonic and Surge went to a fancy party while Surge was wearing a dress
Then Sonic and Surge start talking and then the music comes on.
Then Surge starts grinding on Sonic
Then Sonic starts humping her back because he doesn't care about social norms.
Then Surge gets bashful
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>>532586018It would be extremely cute and ic.
>>532576525Wondy and Supes threesome with Amy.
>>532586076Did they really fuckin' retcon his CANONICALLY FAST FLIGHT SPEED he demonstrated in the first two movies?! MotherFUCKERS!
>>532585625Retardation? It's perfectly accurate!
Tails' gameplay in the 3D games is fun! People often say it's impossible for him to control well in 3D because of his flight ability, but the games have done it well multiple times. The main issue is that he doesn't get enough stages
I love flying around in SA1 especially after getting the upgrade that lets you fly for longer. Unfortunately Tails doesn't have many stages, and the only stage that's properly designed around his flight is Speed Highway, but it is a great stage because it actually makes you platform across long distances, so you have to consider how far you can go. The continuous spinning tails attack is also fun to mess around with, even if it's kinda useless. I like how you can get Rings by cutting the grass in the Mystic Ruins. The Cyloop in Frontiers reminded me of that, so I think they should give Tails that attack again in Frontiers 2
In SA2 he has Gamma's gameplay but with worse controls unfortunately. However he has longer and more in-depth stages to make up for it
In Sonic 2006 he's kinda slow when walking, but when flying he has a nicer speed. Throwing Dummy Ring Bombs at a standstill sucks, but they're fun to throw when flying, or to open those gates. I like that Tails (like all the other characters) can grind rails in this game too. Like most other characters in this game the controls aren't as good as I would like them to be, but the level design is usually great. Tails' section in Sonic's Wave Ocean is his less interesting stage right next to Tails' Wave Ocean. Lame that they gave him his own stage (in the base game) just for it to be Wave Ocean again which they also already gave to Blaze anyway. They should have picked a different stage. Regardless Tails' section in the DLC version of Sonic's Wave Ocean is better than both. Tails' Crisis City is also great, it takes place in Sonic and Shadow's first section except Tails goes backwards, so you go uphill by both flying and grinding rails. Sonic's Aquatic Base is one of my favorites
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>>532586235He just has a jet pack in one scene, relax nigga
>>532586092but it's not a friday night anywhere in the world...
>>532586235It's accurate to the games. The more tech-savvy Tails has gotten the more his physical capabilities have been nerfed to counteract it.
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>>532586092IT'S ALREADY FRIDAY!?
>>532565918Blobian boys and human men cocks.
>>532585806and that's okay
>>532586354Part of the reason why is how it uses Tails' moveset. It makes you fly up to tall platforms or above large gaps/obstacles and it makes you throw Dummy Ring Bombs at the enemies or the magnetic poles. People often criticize the inclusion of the Amigo characters in the game because they don't do much in the story, but I appreciate it. I think their inclusion was mainly for gameplay reasons and to still give something to the fans of the characters so I'm glad my favorite character is there (and has good gameplay unlike Amy or even Shadow)
The Final Horizon seems to have good level design and unlike the other games he has way more content to actually play. Unfortunately it is also the weakest implementation so far. Even though the level design seems to be good the game doesn't encourage you to replay it it doesn't track your time or score, and there is no arcade mode for those open zone platforming challenges in general which is a big issue with the entire game. Tails also has it worse than other characters because not only can he easily gain infinite flight everywhere across the map but the game also makes it preferable to skip Tails' gameplay entirely due to technical issues. The objects pop in is a technical problem that significantly harms the entire game, but it is much worse in The Final Horizon. And because Tails' platforming is mostly out in the open away from the land it is very hard to tell where the path of a challenge starts, ends, or even how it continues. You likely stumble upon a path or even the goal and you won't know if you're going in the right direction or how you were even supposed to access it normally and this makes you want to ignore the challenge entirely and fly to the end. I will have to play the game more if I want to further comment on specific parts of the level design as I haven't completed everything yet
In conclusion Speed Highway, Crisis City and Aquatic Base are great examples of how Tails's 3D stages should be designed
>>532586364You will be gaslit into thinking it's Friday night right this instant and you will like it.
>532565469
Why do shippers have Amy rent-free in their heads?
>>532586539Now we're talking
Surge sucks hedgehog dongs
>>532585863>>532586638Piece of shit fan card game, we already have blitz.
Surge pretends alchohol is the reason she rode Sonic for 3 loads
Bullied Bi Cuckolds 3
Starring Tails
im on like 4 cups of wine and feeling frisky what sonic game should I play
>>532586743Milked dry by canonically bombshells like Amy.
>>532585878do you have the (you) one?
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Knuckles is cute. CUTE!!!
>>532587164Uhh what?.. I thought we were talking about a wholesome homosexual relationship between a human man and a Blobian boy?
>>532586743>Humans compete with raw effort and determination, they're so cool!>Immediately pits them against non-superpowered mobians because they can't compete with the actually strong onesBullying the weak isn't impressive.
>>532587114Drink plenty of water before bed.
Hellfire Saga.
>>532584506Actually, Mariofag, Sega has the perfect opportunity to re-enter the console market now that Microsoft is dying and Sony is going multi-plat for all their games. The timing has never been more right to make a comeback. The kikes at Jewtendo won’t be on the golden throne forever.
>>532586815>shadow isn't kuromi Bruh
>>532587673Knux is a good boy and he deserves love
>>532586815>Tails is no longer chococatCinnamoroll is cringe
>>532565567It's to drum up speculator interest
Oh right yeah I'm the only person here who cares about discussing gameplay sorry
Let's talk about NPCs then. Marine is cute!
>>532583453Shadria cuddles
Shadria hugs
Shadria handholding
Shadria kisses
>>532583965Well, to start out with the most obvious thing, Shadow's memory/mind has been manipulated against his will several times over the course of the series. Both Gerald and Black Doom wanted to make him forget what he valued most. I can't imagine repeated mental alterations were a fun time, so I believe that Shadow prefers to think clearly without any outside forces altering the way he perceives things.
He's lost his memory before, and drugs often alter peoples' memories.
Hoshino clarified once that Shadow does not drink alcohol.
In SA2 he's incredibly alert and wary, his idle has him looking around warily and saying danger is all around him. He doesn't seem to like fog or mountains.
He's also described as "pure" both in-universe and out of universe.
That and we don't know how much they tested on him, it's possible they'd drug him back on the ARK to see what it would do.
It's not a lot, but it's enough to make me think that he'd avoid drugs.
Would Donkey Kong be able to beat Knuckles at Emerald Shard collecting?
I have no idea what ability to give Cosmo for her card...
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Shadow does not like Professor Gerald.
>>532588371Get a job krack
>>532587992New SEGA console with Sonic Adventure 3 and Persona 6 at launch. Would it succeed?
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>>532585878Oh-ho, good choice. Isn't he cute when he tries?
>>532588371That makes sense, thanks
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>>532588721The manga art is so ugly
>>532588530Yes he does. He's just willing to admit that he went crazy in the end and that his final plan was wrong.
>>532588536Finish your requests Duo
>>532588530SXSG seems to imply that Shadow was there during Prof. Gerald's execution or at least saw a video of the execution
>>532588536This. She should work at Sonic Team as Character Supervisor for both the art and the story/dialogue. With her around all Shadow games would be incredibly successful, and she would eventually become the boss of Shadow Team.
>>532588431If the emeralds smelt like bananas maybe
>>532588889No I must obsess about OCs or some shit
>>532588953I bet she would do it for free.
>>532589015Anytime I see fanart in this sort of style my first thought is "This person definitely got into the series through either FNF or Sonic.exe."
Toyoda and Goya should write the next Sonic games without western involvement
>>532588307I care about discussing gameplay, sadly I never got the chance to play the Rush games even though I am in love with the music, the new characters and just how the entire game looks
>>532589290Kids are probably having more fun with FNF and Sonic.exe Sonic Team games and IDW.
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>>532588868Yes, this is how you react when you like someone. I'm sure Shadow is very appreciative of Gerald dehumanizing him the moment Maria died (Shadow was no longer of use), calling him an "it", and implanting his own will for revenge into Shadow's mind.
"Repeated experiments" says Battle JP, on the cause of Emerl going on berserk on the ARK.
Gerald crosses out "It seems to be [in pain]" in his notes on the Biolizard and replaces it with "uncontrollable."
Maria comments that the Artificial Chaos' eyes looked so sad during their rampage.
Shadow admits he doesn't know how to ask for anything. He never really had a choice.
Oh, what a wholesome person Gerald was. Well-versed in consent.
>>532588307>>532589432Don't even get me STARTED on boost gameplay....
>>532589432I made some posts analyzing Tails' gameplay and level across multiple games but nobody seemed to care. Anyways I hope you get the chance to play them. I should play Rush more myself, I haven't learned any of the stages yet. I didn't like how some of its mechanics are less refined than in Rush Adventure and like many of the 2000s games it has too much forced combat. I played Rush Adventure a lot more, I know all the stages well and I replay them from time to time. It was fun to play Rush Adventure online against other posters from here some months ago
>>532589432Just emulate them. You only need the touch screen for the special stages.
>>532588048"Chococat is always full of energy and loves to find out new things. He is logical, intuitive, and thoughtful, although he can be absentminded at times. His hobbies include exploring and stargazing."
I guess it's chococat then?
>>532589370They wrote Forces. Fuck no
>>532589915This, use a controller though, I haven't been able to find a good keyboard setup
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>>532589897Tails is limited by how you can't quickly cancel his flight via spinballing and how slow his vertical mobility is. Ray is the better flight based character since he basically copies the super cape from SMBW.
>>532589481>Kids are probably having more fun with FNF and Sonic.exe than Sonic Team games and IDW.ftfy
>>532587679No, I'm straight.
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>>532590096>ray chad>>532590348>tails wimp>>532590384>sonic before sterilization
>>532590060Forces has bad execution because it was their concepts were too ambitious for the budget they had. Otherwise, Forces is generally exciting and IC. Toyoda and Goya have also proven to be good writers with their works outside of Forces. Regardless of how you feel about Forces, they and Iizuka are the best people currently available for Sonic Team who could take on the job of writing the story of Sonic games and do a good job.
JP fans are seriously delusional if they believe the Japanese have done a decent job. This franchise is shit.
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>>532590481>Forces>ICI want your drugs. Everyone involved in any capacity with that atrocious writing should be fired into the sun
>>532590096I was talking about the 3D games but yeah I prefer being able to cancel too. I like how Cream's flight works in Advance 2 for example. I don't hate playing as Tails in 2D though
>>532590985Ah yes, one for my model
>>532590839Tails is IC. It's not out of character at all for Tails to have an arc about overcoming his sadness, failures, and fears. The problem is in the execution and limited budget, as I said. Tails also has more scenes and dialogue in the game beyond the first two minutes. The other characters are also IC.
>>532591190It is absolutely OOC for him to cower like a bitch to fucking chaos 0. He also hid like a bitch with his iPad while Sonic was fighting Infinite. You’re embarrassing yourself. Fuck Forces and everyone involved with it
>>532590985Cute, hope to see you finish this!
>>532591081>>532591110Kys
>>532590985Looks aite, could prob use a bit more modeling to better fix mobi/blobbian proportions but overall looks cool.
>>532590881Tails has too much flight control and simultaneously is also heavily gimped which is why I never play as him in Mania.
Why is it that ocfaggotry always shoved in here? Why does everyone flood in here with it? Are people really that brainrotted? No wonder why ocfags and drawfags are unemployed losers with no skills.
>>532588371Oh fuck off with this Shadria pedo bait you delusional shipfag, nobody wants your creepy handholding fantasies about a dying kid and her hedgehog pet project, it's peak autism twisting Maria into some forbidden romance instead of the pure symbol of hope she actually was before GUN blasted her ass. Shadow's whole deal is about loss and revenge, not cuddling up with a tween in your gross headcanons, and shoving this crap just derails threads into shipping wars like every other time some retard spams it. As for your drug bullshit, yeah Shadow got mindfucked by Gerald implanting revenge vibes and repressing Maria's real wishes, but that doesn't mean he'd avoid all substances like a prude, hell the ARK experiments probably dosed him with tons of shit to test reactions without consent, making him uncomfortable sure but not turning him into a straightedge fag forever. Black Doom and memory wipes are trauma, but equating that to hating booze or fog is retarded headcanon stretching, Hoshino saying no alcohol doesn't rule out other stuff, and his "pure" label is just flavor text not some anti-drug manifesto, especially when docs point to him being depressed and lost even before the tragedy, not some alert boy scout dodging mountains for fun. If anything, that one-track mind for goals means he'd use whatever to stay sharp or cope, not whine about alterations like you're projecting your own control issues onto him, and SA2's dub inaccuracies don't make your fanfic any less dumb when Shadow's emotions are all over the place without needing purity police excuses. Stop pretending this flimsy evidence makes Shadow a teetotaler.
>>532589657>Shadow looks scary>when really Shadow is scared out of his mind
Is there a way to make Tails's flight more technical? Like how Sonic can use slopes?
>>532591376>him to cower like a bitch to fucking chaos 0Not OOC. He has always been scared of monsters and that's supposed to be him at his lowest. The execution is poor, so the game does a horrible job at justifying it.
>He also hid like a bitch with his iPad while SonicOnce again, extremely poor execution for an otherwise good plot point. They intended for you to see Tails doing his best to support Sonic, but instead the poor action and animation leads to a bad interpretation.
I know you're afraid to see the truth because those scenes make Tails look bad, but the concept for his arc in Forces is perfectly in line with his character. Goya had a good understanding of the characters.
>>532591589You and the OCtard should both kill yourselves, this is not your personal hugbox, nobody is entitled to kindness, and if I don't like the piece of shit irrelevant OC drawing this faggot made, I have the right to say it.
>>532591805Based, fuck this self-inserting samefagging retard and their zoophilic fantasies.
>>532591929OCfaggotry belongs in the trash, alongside my AI models of OCs. That's why Blade the cat is next.
>>532591929K, no one cares dude lol.
Shadow making love to human men
>>532591805Yeah but drugs are gay so Shadow shouldn't do them anyway.
>>532592074This nigger cat is only good for porn, fuck her too.
>532592075>N-no one cares dudeKys.
Is he still obsessed over Woefag btw? I predicted he'd still be buttblasted over them two weeks later.
>>532591903Stop excusing dogshit writing. It’s not bad execution it’s bad everything. Tails in SA2 also watched Sonic die and locked the fuck in anyway. Forces absolutely does NOT understand him or the other characters. Jap purists need to commit seppuku already so this franchise *might* have a chance
>>532592216Ofc the shitty cat oc is garbage, it's Alota's tranny self-insert. That's why she's a mary sue and smug all the time.
>attentionwhoring OC fag
>attentionwhoring shipfag
>>532591903Extremely OOC. He’s always fought and beat up the things he’s afraid of, never cowered and begged the shitty blue piglet to save him
>>532590985Another cute lesbo for Ames.
>>532590985What's the thought process on this? If she's supposed to fit in with Surge, why isn't she a tenrec or another hedgehog adjacent species? Why did you choose to make her blue and her skin pink? Just curious.
Did QQLettuce really come here again just to defend IDW's annoying shitty writing for Silver?
You're so cringe my man, it's honestly getting so boring bullying you desu, also
>Thinking using random filenames will hide your obvious samefagging
Sonic wants to bang Amy but he needs to get a condom
>>532592251It is in character, those are different circumstances, and you already know that. I'm not a Japanese purist, there is also western media that I enjoy. I don't think Japanese writers should try to work together with western writers because they've repeatedly proven that they can't communicate. Let the westerners write their own stuff separate from the main series
Modern Sonic IP is about toxic relationships and relational trauma
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Imagine being a talentless hack with a learning disability, and on top of that, into oc and drawfaggotry. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
>>532592806Honest question: Why do you keep coming here if you hate everyone?
>>532592590You can buy a pack of 12 for like eight bucks, what the fuck sonic
>>532592806Are you talking about Alota?
>>532592651You continually saying it’s in character just proves you don’t know what you’re talking about. IC Tails would’ve actually led the resistance and kicked chaos 0’s ass. But no the DOGSHIT writers only cared about making Sonic and classic Sonic look good so fuck all of Tails’ development to that point.
>>532592875Because he was banned from /fast/ for being a samefaggot.
>>532592875I don’t hate everyone. That’s just the delusion of brainrotted oc and drawfags who think they are “everyone.” You people seriously need to pick up a useful skill.
>>532592651Point to me the pre-unleashed game where Tails cowers to a single eggpawn and begs Sonic the faggy gary stu self-insert for morbidly obese furries to save him from the weakest foddermook in the series.
It’s out of character. The whole game premise is rancis trash that only exists to shit on Tails to try and artificially prop up the narcissistic shitty mascot.
There were a bunch of IDW defenders earlier.
>>532592991gen my requests nigger
>Nowifag on /feh/
>anti-OC AIfag here
Why are the only two generals I actively used plagued with obnoxious AIfag?
>Look at this piece of turd that came out of my severely autistic brain and lack of imagination, isn't xhe cool? xhe can solo the entire Sonic verse, move faster than the speed of light, and operate any and every gun possible. Xhe has huge sharp blades coming out of xhis limbs and can kill you before you finish blinking. All the girls like xhim and all the boys envy xhim, totally not an ugly self-insert
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>>532593085You can gen images yourself.
>>532592590Sonic is all about taking risks and being free like the wind. He'll do it raw and fast.
>>532592971imagine being this loser lmao
>>532593169This sounds exactly how Sonic is written since the 2010s
>>532593145Because generals are not your fucking safe space, stop getting mad about retarded shit and you'll life will be a lot better
>>532593145i only use 2 generals including /sthg/, there are people who post AI in my other general but no one minds, probably because the guy who posts it isn't obnoxious and doesn't do it to own the chuds
>>532593307If they really want a safe space they should stay quiet in their discord server or even better, go back to /fast/. I thought they loved that place.
>b-b-but I post there tooThen stay there.
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>>532560585So is this image canon? Lmao tailscucks btfo
>>532593307 (me)
>you'llYour.
>>532593085he only does his own samefag requests
>>532593190gen my requests nigger
>>532593495It’s so obvious to which is extra cringey
>>532592921>Tails would’ve actually led the resistance and kicked chaos 0’s assYes, if things weren't constantly hopeless and depressing for half a year.
>>532593013Tails cries for Sonic's help whenever you lose a life while playing as him. That's Tails at his worst, when he has nothing else he still hopes for Sonic to save him. Forces is trying to depict a Tails who doesn't want to live in a hopeless world anymore, his characterization in that scenario is the same as it is in Adventure. Tails would try his best, but if things never improved and Sonic wasn't around that's how he would end up. Of course Forces does this with short cutscenes and a fade to black, so instead of understanding this from the game like you should you need someone online to explain it to you. Forces came out in an era where the characters were constantly mischaracterized, but that's not the problem with Forces specifically. The problem with Forces is that its execution was bad.
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We love OCs here.
I told you, ocfaggotry and drawfaggotry are the cancer of this thread.
>>532593145>>532593365What’s your other generals?
>>532593252What is this cringe shit supposed to prove? I always see it posted and can't help but feel a extreme sense of repulsion towards the overuse of the Reddit OCs and wonder why people think this is le epic own
It was just a faggot trannyjanny from a dead site deleting shit he didn't like because he's a manchild.
His ai shit isn't even usable. So worthless.
>>532593365As if this general wasn't extremely hostile towards AI shit anyway. This is not a welcoming place for anyone other than the cringe drawfags who suck their own dick on Discord and barely post anything of value here
>>532593625You didn’t play Forces. Tails cowers to Eggpawns and begs Sonic to save him BEFORE Infinite attacks. At the very START of the game.
It’s not in character at all. It’s blatant character assassination of Tails done only to wank off your shitty hedgehog stu self insert, because people like you are losers who think it’s good Tails was made into a loser just to wanknoff your pretentious ugly furry mascot for brainlet faggots
>1 (one) oc post
>total duofag chimpout
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Scraping Alota's crap, gonna make a model of the artstyle instead of the shitty oc.
>Every poster I don't like is Duofag
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>>532591805Lmao, christ. I'm not even going to grace this with a serious reply, you're genuinely mindbroken by shipping to the point that you despise real people over it. I posted my personal headcanon based on the information I have, do feel free to provide reasons you think he'd do heroine or something.
>>532593925As I said, the cutscene animations are poorly executed.
>wank off your shitty hedgehog stu self insertTails was always about looking up to Sonic and praising him.
>>532593625Tails’ entire character is about him wanting to be like/catch up to Sonic. He’s not EVER supposed to be begging Sonic for help like a wimp. That shitty trend that started in Unleashed and peaked in Forces was always OOC garbage and should not be acknowledged by anyone with a brain, let alone actual game writers. And no, depressing situations wouldn’t reverse that, because we’ve already fucking had this development happen. Yes he’s a “kid”, he’s not a wimp
His only threat towards OCfags is making more content of them, what a retard.
Are you a Duofag (west nigger) or a Krack (JP chad)?
>>532593625>whenever you lose a life while playing as himPlaying as him doing WHAT, Soniccuck? That’s right, FIGHTING. The exact thing he never, ever does against anyone in Forces, before, during or after infinite.
They make him a weak loser only because they wanted to make the cringy mascot look artificially cool.
Holding a grudge for this long can't be healthy.
>>532590985>Dahlia Thornyou bitch.
Bringing up namefags out of nowhere only shows how mindbroken you are.
>>532594151I'm claiming ownership of the shitty ocs. Blade is technically mine since I have a model already.
>>532594151Neither because I'm not mentally ill
>>532594110It’s part of the story, numbnuts.
Tails was about being a hero, not just making your self-insert look good because irl you’re a fat loser who has to confront how oathetic your real life is if your shitty hedgehog stu isn’t being wanked as jesus in your manbaby videogames. That’s what he was turned into to satisfy you piglets.
Artacking people who have oppositional defiant disorder just makes them worse.
Putting Tails dick in my mouth while he's sleeping as a joke.
That makes him gay.
>>532594131>He’s not EVER supposed to be begging Sonic for helpPlay Sonic Adventure.
>>532594204Whether Tails fights or not is irrelevant to the argument I was responding to. You claim Tails doesn't ask for Sonic's help when he's hopeless. You are wrong. He does. All the time. In Sonic Adventure.
The fact we still have shills for Sonic Forces is why Sonic will always have the worst self-inserting characterfags bar none. Greedy greedy fat little hogs you are
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>>532594293All anyone has to do is show you made child porn lmao, we just don’t care about you.
>>532594438>Play Sonic AdventureYou mean the game where Tails has to defeat Eggman by himself without Sonic? And actually does it? You’re such a fucking moron dude
I hope both duo and knack kill themselves in a duel where they both shoot each other and we all cheer.
>>532594412Why would Eric Cartman do that?
>>532594371Shh, they're a bit too dull to figure it out.
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>>532594525Go ahead. I'm claiming ownership of the shitty oc and Alota's artstyle anyway. Soon.
>>532594438Tails fights in Sonic Adventure, and asks for help as a voiceline when he dies mid-battle.
Tails doesn’t fight in Sonic Forces, he’s portrayed as weak and unable to fight anyone at any point, “hopeless” or not, even against EGG PAWNS.
Sonic is just a shitty character mate, he ruined Tails and sonic forces was a shitty story thanks to it
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>>532594656Why tho? What did they ever do to you?
>>532592490the blue and pink is from a palette glitch from Sonic CD, as for not being a tenrec... I just wanted to make her something related to a hedgehog like a tenrec.
>>532594525>made child pornBoo hoo, nigga, did the pixels hurt your little feelings?
Sonic calling himself “the wind” is as genuine as Poochie saying “recycle to the extreme”. Safe edgy, a poseur, a pseud.
Your samefagging won’t save you kek
>>532594718They were mean to me, so now I'm mean to them.
>>532594718Not much, but they represent drawfaggotry and ocfaggotry. Their work deserves to be devalued because they're afflicted with brainrot. That's about it.
>>532594783Reacting to something like the concept of violating a child like this is why our society has fallen so far.
>>532594438How “hopeless” was he at the very beginning of the game against some egg pawns, and against Infinite where just like Lost World he cowers behind some rocks? You’re an idiot and Sonic is a character only enjoyed by similar self-inserting idiots
>>532594718He's still seething over the comic.
I'm the only one who can samefag. :)
>>532594783>chimp advocates for fucking childrenNot surprising in the least
>>532594438>Sonic AdventureMy nigga, that’s his character development in the fucking game. By the end he’s able to defeat Eggman all by himself without Sonic. Anything afterwards where he’s begging for Sonic’s help is character regression point blank period. Under no circumstances does it make sense to revert him back to that in games TWENTY FUCKING YEARS LATER. You’re actually retarded
>>532594556Yes, that game. I know the story and I like it a lot. The concept behind Forces is in line with Tails' character, but it unfortunately has awful execution. Forces deserves to be criticized for what it got wrong just as much as it deserves to be praised for what it got right. You are unwilling to do the latter, to the point that you'd rather ignore parts of Tails' character. Ironically your hate for Forces going out of control can only lead to even more OOC versions of Tails.
>>532594968Comedy Chimp resents that commentary.
>>532594894>drawfaggotry and ocfaggotryhuh
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Notice how this amytard is always dicksucking the samefagger?
>>532594802Wind wind wind the wind always wind.
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>>532595110Boohoo Sonicpiggy, aww we know, Tails should always be begging for SHITnic’s help and unable to fight Eggpawns or else it’s going too far. Tails has always been able and willing to fight since Sonic 2. This is nothing but a terrible OOC idea and a character assassination because their crappy mascot isn’t cool without shitting on the much better characters he’s surrounded by.
>>532594718Have talent he’s too lazy to acquire, same with all AIfags.
>>532594697She was probably right though. Whenever I eat chili and especially when I make my own, I reek of it afterwards.
>>532594872I mean, I thinks that’s insanely self destructive and petty but, alright.
>>532594894> represent drawfaggotry and ocfaggotry. This is bad, why?
> Their work deserves to be devalued because they're afflicted with brainrot.???
>>532594932Comic?
>>532595424That’s sad, I’m sad.
>>532595110It didn’t get anything right you fucking dumbass. If Tails going forward is nothing like he is in Forces I will be the happiest fucking camper. I didn’t even love him referencing it in Frontiers but goddamn if that wasn’t still a massive improvement
Between Chris Chan, Ian Flynn, and that one guy who went onto BBC news, i’m convinced all adult men who are fans of Sonic’s “character” are morbidly obese, low iq, and on the verge of trooning out.
If you let one ocfag ramble about their garbage OC, the next autistic one will think it’s safe to do the same. Then it spreads like cancer. That’s exactly why ocfaggotry needs to be wiped out entirely. As well as drawfaggotry.
>>532595110>Ironically your hate for Forces going out of control can only lead to even more OOC versions of Tails.Tails being confident and capable on Sonic's level is the better alternative than what Forces did
>>532595518>that one guy who went onto BBC newsThe Tanglefag?
>>532595354CSAM is just pixels too, right buddy? Kill yourself
>>532594968I mean, I know plenty black people who fucking kill child predators but, you do you ig.
>>532595354A drawing of what? And even so, it’s still weird and concerning, no?
Why are you here if you hate Sonic so much?
The worst part is that there are contentfags he does allow and he holds everyone to that standard for no reason.
>>532595610No one else will talk to him
>>532595293What are you talking about?
>>532595524>while using a drawfag's imagelol
>>532595110Tails in Forces cowers before Sonic gets killed. During Sonic getting killed. After Sonic has gotten killed. And after le Classic Sonikku comes back and after Modern Sonic comes back too, he still cowers and is made useless to wank off Sonic.
That’s the only “concept” behind Forces. To shit on Tails to make Sonic artificially, hopefully, DESPERATELY, not look cringe and autistic to dumb consumers anymore. Looks like it worked, judging by you, idiot.
>spergs are fighting again
sthg getting into the argument over if loli/shota counts as cp? Now that's interesting
>>532595716Drawchad is one of the good drawfags.
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I'm glad I don't care about the age of fictional characters, unless it's the homopedophile spamming gay shit.
I'm glad I don't get mad at AI shit.
I'm glad I don't have to fight people over retarded ships.
Feels good to not be a retard.
>>532595690Amy avatarfag. Always conveniently around to defend their faggot boyfriend.
>>532595552Not to a Sonicfag. Tails being pathetic is a good thing to them because it wanks off their shitty pretentious self-insert. That’s what they want to be the case.
>>532595319"I'm Ultimate L. Form, and I approve this message."
Tails should fuck Amy while Sonic watches.
>>532595816Porn of most of the cast is because they are minors. Sonamy? Sonurge? Shadouge? Whispangle? All underage! You are all pedo freaks!
>>532595996>Implying Sonic would care>Implying Sonic would hold still outside of naps
>>532595594>Comparing real life child sexual abuse to a fucking drawing>>532595595>it’s still weird and concerningJesus fucking Christ, go back to fucking Twitter or Reddit, retard.
>>532595863The nice amyfag or the literal troon amyfag? Also I don't see them defending anyone
>>532596020>WhispangleYou almost had it. The people who are genuine about that almost always exclude gay shit
>>532595524I have a similar issue but with faggots like you, all hatefags do is come to a general to shit on the piece of media or someone else’s work, which would be fine if they didn’t grt so retarded about it. Going to insane lengths to shit on someone for no reason or acting so moral about it like they’re somehow ‘protecting’ the thread. You’re a self righteous asshat. Stop it.
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Does being able to say you claim ownership over someone else’s art style and OCs on an anonymous image board make up for the lack of control you feel in life irl?
Sonic asked tails for help once in Frontiers. Thus in Frontiers 2 we will make Sonic weaker than a fly, and start crying like a fag at the sight of a single Motobug wailing and screaming for Chad Tails to save him, because Sonic the manbaby hedgebitch is too weak and dumb to fight his own battles, and also his dick is too tiny to attract women so he needs Tails to do that too.
It’s only in-character.
>>532595101So you think every game after SA1 is OOC? He behaves like that in SA1 after that plot point, and he also behaves like that in SA2 as well. It's just a part of his character.
>>532595396I never said any of that.
>>532596068Pffffft okay lmao. I’m too lazy to look in the archives but when they show their dumb ass again I’ll point it out.
>>532596101You have worms in your brain already, I can't help you.
>>532568162>Shade was created to bare Knuckles' kidsThis vaguely implies that the other girls couldn't. Also... hot.
>>532596020Ages aren’t canon anymore tho, right?
>>532596020The difference is that all of those characters are characterized as adults. Whisper is a mercenary, Rouge and Shadow were federal agents, Amy owns an apartment, etc.
>>532596054It represents that you're attracted to children, retard. Doesn't matter if its real or not, you find children attractive. Kill yourself
>>532596183>So you think every game after SA1 is OOC?Yes. I already explained this
>>532594131
>>532596183>and he also behaves like that in SA2 as wellNo he doesn’t, liar. He fights his own battle with and without Sonic. He breaks into Prison Island at the start of the game without having said a word to Sonic all game long
Read:
>>532596178Sonic now should be weak and stupid and need Tails to beat up anything, because Tails is so much more manly than that faggy hedgehog stu who asked him for help
Sonicfags are so shit. Legit one of the worst characters ever created, and has the worst fans who sabotaged his own series out of greed and narcissism
>>532596054I got groomed irl by both a loli on and a shotacon anon, even if it isn’t the direct cause it’s still a gateway and slippery slope. All I’m saying is maybe just watch what you put into your head. Or you’ll end up wasting your life stealing art to make shitty images of a character you don’t even care for.
>>532595354How come if someone makes a drawing of someone taking a shit people can call it disgusting and awful but this is defended with "its just a drawing brah"
>>532596295You're so fucking retarded, just like the people who say violent videogames create serial killers.
>>532596183>He behaves like that in SA1 after that plot point, and he also behaves like that in SA2 as well.No he fucking doesn’t
>>532596239Ages aren't canon except when I need an excuse to explain why Cream can't do something or why Tails should be an incel
>>532596394The games ultimately cater to them anyways
>>532596196The fuck do you mean worms? Can you honestly just explain how people posting ox’s damages the quality of a general.
>>532596327So according to you there is no IC depiction of Tails in any of the games that have dialogue. I guess we're done then.
>>532596340>He fights his own battle with and without Sonic. He breaks into Prison Island at the start of the game without having said a word to Sonic all game longCorrect and completely irrelevant to any of what I said. Tails cries for Sonic's help whenever he's about to die, whether Sonic is around or not. That's his last hope when he has nothing else. He does this in SA1, he does this in SA2, and he does this in Forces.
>>532596440Play the games.
>>532596524He's a pedo, so no.
>>532596295>The difference is that all of those characters are characterized as adults.They are all under 18 years of age. This just sounds like pedo cope.
>>532595474>Comic?His newest shtick is trying to discourage oc discussion entirely while he does his regular sperg outs over drawfags he can't chase out. Alota finally posted his comic that he's been working on for a while and duofag immediately had a meltdown over it. I'm guessing it's because it was getting more attention than duofag advertising his models and also that he's still around despite all of the attempts to drive him and the other drawfags off. It's pretty funny and sad to watch.
>>532596395I'm not who you think I am, and I certainly don't give a fuck about some mentally ill retard fucking your ass, go tell Reddit or something.
>>532596183>the Soniccucks have now resorted to just straight up lyingGrim.
>>532596602they got rid of character ages btw.
>>532596484Well their still characterized as kids, so it’s less ages aren’t canon and more specific ages aren’t canon, the age ranges still are.
>>532596432Anon just admit you have an issue and porn addiction and go to therapy or something, or just don’t talk at all and save us the trouble.
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>>532596526No he doesn’t do that in SA2, that is a mid-battle voicelines that is only in SA1. Tails doesn’t mention Sonic in his SA2 levels you pathetic liar
You never played the games, self-inserting faggot. Sonic Forces was shit because of manbabies like YOU ruining the whole cast yo wank off your faggy hedgehog
So should the next thread be the birthday thread?
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Imagine being pro-ocfaggotry. Couldn't be me.
>>532596628Kek, god this general is so pathetic. No wonder the Nannie’s don’t come here anymore seeing as were basically the containment board
>>532596790I self insert as Sonic and I love Sonic Forces and I want to know where you found this picture of me???
>>532596395>I got groomed irl by both a loli on and a shotacon anonYou were groomed by children? Twice?
>>532596642>they covered up the evidence bros it's okay to goon to preteensdo niggas really?
>>532596519Its steals attention away from his slop. All AIfags have an crippling desire for attention and adulation, which is why he cranks out slop that the lowest common denominator will praise him for, but when someone post OC stuff that gets more attention than their slop he feel insecure.
>>532596637https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cl4M4PoM3g
At 1:02:s of this SA2 playthrough you can see how Tails reacts to a situation in which he feels hopeless and about to die. He calls for Sonic's help. Like in the Chaos 0 scene in Forces. It is in character for Tails to call for Sonic's help when he's desperate.
I picked a random video, I don't know who this streamer is.
>>532596790>that is only in SA1You have never played Tails' stages in SA2. Look above.
>>532596192Archives? I thought you were talking about the anon that just posted an amy picture now. All I know is that there's an amy anon who is self admited to be a troon that usually fights with people while the other is just generally nice. I have no idea about this faggot bf thing you brought up but i usually auto ignore people in my brain who are being spergy in these threads to notice I guess. like I can't even tell who is samefagging besides when people points it out
>>532596719>characterized as kidssuch as owning a house or running an official government resistance.
>>532596860> No officer, the little girl was the one that pulled my pants down, I swear!
>>532589657>Maria comments that the Artificial Chaos' eyes looked so sad during their rampage.External crisis, perhaps?
If you think about it, all characters are OC’s.
>>532596719>Anon just admit you have an issue and porn addiction and go to therapy or something, or just don’t talk at all and save us the trouble.Stop projecting your issues on me, I don't give a fuck about your furry porn, and looking at all the coomer bait that gets posted here is exhausting, I just don't like to pretend the stupid drawings are comparable to real-life cases of child sex abuse.
>>532596905Provide a timestamp lying dumbass I went to 1:02 and Tails isn’t being played
>>532596526You just want to suck off Sonic Team and can’t realize they’re actually incompetent post-Adventure. Yes, Tails begging for Sonic’s help is OOC. He is supposed to look up to Sonic to reach his own potential and he does so in SA1 and 2. Cowering to weaker opponents in later games is OOC AS FUCK. I’ve been the one arguing without assuming you’re just a pathetic self-inserting Sonicfag, abut even I can’t deny it anymore. Kys
Sega should never listen to fans
I think your all retarded and will leave nothing on this earth after you are gone, goodnight.
>>532597041>Tails begging for Sonic’s help is OOC.Tails does that in both Adventure games. I have linked proof.
>I’ve been the one arguing without assumingI wish.
Imagine being a talentless retard and drawing OCs.
>>532596915Yeah idk man, Sonic is weird like that
>>532596986We’re not. We’re just calling it out for what it is, grody. Also
>Chainsaw man fanIt explains so much.
>>532596905All he does is yell “Sonic!” when his mech slips, in the middle of a fight.
The Chaos 0 scene in Forces is nothing like this, he cowers and whimpers and can’t fight at all and needs Sonic to fight. It’s extremely out of character for Tails to need Sonic to fight, which is what the premise of Forces is
You never played SA2 since apparently you’ve yet to remember that Tails fights on his own in SA2
>>532597105Rest well anon
>>532597145Tails fights in both Adventure games. He does not beg for help unable to fight, literally all he did is say “sonic” when he dies. Ruining him so he can’t fight is for nothing else but just to wank off Sonic.
>>532597230Ah, kys then, have fun defending the pixels.
>>532597145Tails fights the bad guys in both adventure games. He never cowers and gives up.
>>532596906>stereotypical getting-poked-with-stick-after-washing-ashore scene>...>doesn't moveWhat do you do in this situation? Dig a hole in the sand and bury him? Does Marine then realize that her true passion was undertaking?
>>532597243I never denied that Tails fights on his own. Tails being about to die is an immediate situation of hopelessness where he physically cannot fight. Forces was trying to depict a similar situation, but over an extended period of time. He is mentally unable to fight because of the circumstances of the situation. The game does an awful job at showing this.
>>532597341>He does not beg for help unable to fightThat's literally what he does.
>>532597414He does when he thinks he has no more hope to survive, and that's when he reverts back to wishing Sonic's help. Just like in Forces.
Sonic asks for Tails’ help in SA1.
Thus in the next game we gotta show Tails beating Sonic up while Sonic cries like a fag, because Sonic is canonically a weak mentally disabled bitch who can’t fight or think and needs Tails-Sama to do it all
>>532597383>FrierenGod it gets worse!
Also why do such good shows and such have shit fan bases?
>>532597397yes
>>532597431she is a kid, I have no idea what would she do :(
>>532596850It took a nose dive when he started using his duofag persona last year. Everything he does is an attempt to discourage on topic discussion in favor of making it about himself or off-topic drama. The problem is he puts his own ego first and starts to double down whenever he embarrasses himself.
>>532597508Here's something else I like. Tell me what you think of it too, please. :)
>>532597487>Forces was trying to depict a similar situationNo it wasn’t, you never played it Soniccuck.
Sonic has to save Tails from cowering to Eggpawns before the main story ever even happens. And then again when Infinite first attacks.
Forces was trash and shows why you Soniccucks are the most pathetic self-inserting dicklets to ever dissapoint your parents.
So the thread? We ain't letting get to 900 again are we?
>>532597145Ah yes, yelling “Sonic!” while falling to death only caused by bad playing (not actually part of the story) is proof that he can’t do anything without his precious Sonikku like in Forces. Ignore the fact that he’s doing things on his own the whole damn game in the first place, including beating a Eggman AFTER watching Sonic die
If Ian Flynn is such a great writer why does Drogune have virtually no audience?
This is what happens when you let drawfags roam freely. They ruin this thread with their attentionwhoring and shitty OCs.
>>532597626What's the rush?
>>532597487Sonic has asked for Tails’ help as well, you realise? Tails doesn’t give up fighting and cower for Sonic to save him because in-game you can have him literally fight to his own death. That’s the equivalent of calling out to your allie while you still have your guns blazing. Now putting the gun down and hiding and whimpering behind a rock.
>>532597431Stop. Don't touch. Leave the area, tell an adult.
>>532597728OCs are so bad
I hate Forces even more now. I didn’t think that was possible
>>532597624As I said, Forces does a terrible job at presenting its plot points through the animated scenes.
>>532597634>is proof that he can’t do anything without his precious SonikkuI have never said this. The fact that it doesn't happen doesn't mean anything. It's showing how Tails theoretically behaves when he thinks he is about to die. His only hope left is for Sonic to appear out of nowhere even if he knows it's impossible for that to happen. That's exactly what Forces does in that scene.
>>532597810This is just cope because I proved you wrong after you said Tails doesn't behave like that in SA2. He does. That's all there is to it. It doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't fight, it just shows what his relationship to Sonic is, and how important Sonic is to his life. This was always a core part of Tails' character. Sonic is fundamental to Tails' hope, will to live, and desire to better himself.
>>532597487Just no, dumbass.
Saying “Sonic!” in the middle of a shootout isn’t the equivalent of cowering and hiding and begging sonic to do all the fighting for you. One is calling for backup during your own fight that you started and you are finishing and are still fighting in live time, the other is being weak and unable to fight and cowering.
>>532597898I love those OCs
>>532598041It's the same scenario, the only difference is how that scenario came to be. In the Adventure games it is an immediate, physical situation, in Forces it is a prolonged, mental situation. But as far as behavior goes, it is the same. Tails is IC in the Chaos 0 scene.
Whoever bakes next, please fix the booru link.
Sonic is gay and autistic
>>532598287AS LONG AS I'M AROUND, YOU'LL ALWAYS HAVE A WINGMAN.
>>532598018You can’t possibly think Tails was thinking he was on the brink of death THE ENTIRE TIME in Forces. Not even after Sonic “dies”. If Sonic is so important to his will to live like you claim, then he would’ve just cried like a bitch in SA2 and not fought Eggman. But he fights anyway because THATS him being in character. He is never in character in Forces, not even close. Not even “in concept”, you’re simply a moron for thinking so
>>532597564Isn't she a sailor by trade? She should know the basics of CPR at least.
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>>532598018First of all, i wasn’t that anon, get over yourself.
Second of all, Tails in SA2 isn’t at all the same as Forces. He goes down guns blazing and calls once for backup while continuing to fight.
Third of all, Tails giving up and cowering in Forces isn’t “core” to Tails’ character, it’s core to Sonic’s character: an empty avatar for obese self-inserting manbabies who ruin the other cast to prop up their faggy pretentious piglet.
A core part of Tails’ character is being a hero with or without Sonic. A core part of Sonic’s character is being a bland powerfantasy who leeches off Tails’
Tails penis is not small like the president
>>532598209Tails doesn’t cower in the adventure games, he continues fighting at or near death. Sonic asks for Tails’ help in the Adventure games too. Get over yourself.
>>532598426To be fair, he fought a losing war for half a year and has, and I quote, "lost it" (lol).
>>532598209I must have missed the scene in the adventure games where Tails runs behind a rock and sticks his ass up and cowers.
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>>532598641Yeah lol, as in hilariously OOC
>>532598641>he "fought"source? As far as i know only Silver and Shadow and Knuckles fought anything. Even at the beginning and at the end Tails is the only character who fights noone.
>>532598426When Tails thinks Sonic died in SA2 it was an immediate situation and he was fulfilling Sonic's immediate last request. In Forces he has been depressed and hopeless for 6 months. He has no reason to care anymore. But you already knew this.
>>532598018>As I said, Forces does a terrible job at presenting its plot points through the animated scenes.What? The cutscenes are the plotpoints, imbecile. They didn't accidentally animate a scene they didn't mean to. Dumb bitch
>>532598675Wait till page 10
Sonurge Chronicles: Enemies to Lovers
>>532598723in Forces he acted the same 6 months later as he did immediately before and during Sonic dying, with the Egg Pawns and with infinite.
>>532598801I'm not using that one, bye, /sthg/
>>532598797I didn't say that. The presentation is bad. The characterizations are not. If you want to see what actual OOC looks like, go look at Lost World.
>>532598723What about immediately after Sonic “dies” in Forces? It’s the exact same thing, but he cowers because he’s OUT OF CHARACTER in Forces. He’s even doing this BEFOREHAND when it’s nowhere close to a “desperate situation”. Holy fucking Christ you’re retarded
>>532598909If their actions in the cutscenes are bad, their characterisations are bad. Presentation has nothing to do with it.
It's out of character for Tails to cower from Egg Pawns. he does this because Sonic is a shitty character and needed Tails to look weak to make himself look good.
>>532598909>The characterizations are notYes they are, self-inserter
>>532598845I had to wait 300 seconds to make that thread what the hell took you so long?
>>532598909Oh so Lost World is the OOC example, when Tails actually stands up to Sonic for being retarded. Just stop this charade and admit you’re just a pathetic self inserted
>>532598909Tails doesn't cower against Egg Pawns without even attempting to fight them. That's as OOC as it gets.
But of course you wouldn't understand that because it makes your edgy hedgehog self-insert look good.
>>532598845nope. too late. now join the first one
>>532594075Oh please, spare me the victim card you whiny shipfag, acting like your "personal headcanon" isn't just another layer of delusional bullshit layered on top of Shadria pedo fantasies that twist Shadow into some purity-obsessed prude who wouldn't touch a drop or a puff because muh ARK trauma . You're the one mindbroken here, projecting this anti-drug crusade onto a character who's been through memory wipes and experiments that probably involved all sorts of forced substances to test his limits, making him resilient as fuck rather than a fragile flower dodging anything that might "inhibit" him like your weak ass evidence claims. Hell, if we're talking real canon vibes, Shadow was always kinda depressed and lost even before the tragedy, relying on Maria to show him the world's beauty as a sort of emotional anchor, not some anti-substance role model, and if she'd lived into her 60s he'd likely be less angry but still introverted and book-smart, following her lead without turning into the straightedge caricature you're peddling . You wanna know why I'd think he'd experiment with shit like heroin or whatever? Because his life's a nonstop parade of horrible crap from creation to constant betrayals, breeding actual mental illness from trauma, not some coddled avoidance, and dudes like that often self-medicate to cope with the void, especially since drugging him wouldn't even be hard given his history of being poked and prodded without consent. But nah, you hide behind "lmao not gracing with a reply"! Your headcanon's as flimsy as those short-ass fights you bitch about, pure dogshit built on cherry-picked lore
>>532598952And yet Forces proves that it understands Tails' character by having a plot point around Tails psychological reaction to a hopeless world without Sonic. The cutscenes are bad, not the plot concepts.
>>532599119>when Tails actually stands up to Sonic for being retardedCorrect, Tails doesn't do that. Tails was always conceptualized as a kid who thinks Sonic is the coolest guy in the world. He heavily relies on Sonic, but he also wants to be like Sonic. That's his motivation for doing his best, wanting Sonic to also rely on him. If Sonic fails and the world is nothing but suffering for 6 months, Tails' reaction would be an extended version of his stage death scenario. Forces isn't perfect, but it understands the characters, unlike Lost World (and unlike you).
>>532599510The cutscenes ARE the plot concepts you absolute mongoloid. And no, Sonic Adventure proved that Tails would rise to the challenge in a “hopeless world without Sonic”, not lose his marbles and revert to being a crybaby bitch (which he never was)
>>532599714The cutscenes are how the plot concepts are conveyed, they are not the plot concepts themselves. Unlike Lost World, Forces proves that it understands the character by having a plot that revolves around it, that is then failed by its presentation. Lost World's plot is built around OOC versions of Sonic and Tails from the very beginning.
>Sonic Adventure proved that Tails would rise to the challenge in a “hopeless world without Sonic”It didn't. Tails was not hopeless at the end of his story in SA1. He wasn't depressed for 6 months.
>900 replies
The fuck happened in here
>>532600040I had a nuanced take on Sonic Forces instead of saying "it's complete shit and everyone who worked on it must get fired". A bunch of people tried to correct me and got exposed as never having played the Adventure games (they never saw what happens when you lose a life as Tails kek).
>>532600151you apparently never played the Adventures games, as you never saw what happens when Tails says that line (he continues fighting and doesn't cower behind a rock)
>>532600151Ah, exposing zoomers who grew up with Forces
All you gotta do is post this and it shuts them up
>>532599990Even him being depressed after Sonic dies is OOC, because his fucking character development *from Adventure* showed that he is able to hold his own without Sonic. 6 months means nothing, an IC Tails would be leading the resistance and would actually fight (and beat) Chaos 0.
>>532600151>victory lapping being retarded I honestly wish death upon you
>>532600228>what happens when Tails says that lineHe dies. It's his reaction to when he thinks he's about to die, and in that case he is right in his assessment, whereas in Forces he is wrong.
>>532599990the character would continue and attempt to fight even after sonic dies. the character has fought in adventures like Tails Adventure and Skypatrol when Sonic isn't even part of the equation.
the OOC version in Forces can't fight and wouldn't even attempt to even before the story started against Egg Pawns and against Infinite. Because it's OOC and the only plot concept being conveyed is that Tails is supposedly weak and cowardly to prop up the boring cringey gary stu hedgehog.
>>532600350and when he thinks he's about to die, does he stop and run away and cower? No, he fights literally to the death, while calling for an ally.
Sonic also calls for Tails' help multiple times in the adventure games, that doesn't make him a coward in your pov because it doesn't fit your pathetic self-insertion needs
>>532594728When shadally ?
>>532600341>I honestly wish death upon youThat's unnecessarily violent and doesn't accomplish anything. You need to calm down.
>>532600370>Tails Adventure and SkypatrolIrrelevant non-canon alternate universe nonsense. You may as well bring up Archie or whatever else at that point.
>the only plot concept being conveyed is that Tails is supposedly weak and cowardly to prop up the boring cringey gary stu hedgehogThat's not what the story was going for at all. The execution was so bad that you didn't pick up on its intended plot points.
>>532600605>That's not what the story was going for at allExcept in all the many scenes where it clearly was, like him being unable to fight a single egg pawn and instead backing against a wall in terror and screeching for Sonic to save him from this impossible to face menace. But sure, your denial and delusion must override the game itself.
>>532600605the "intended plot points" only exist in your head if they contradict the game itself, faggot
>>532600605The entire cowering to chaos 0 scene was only meant to give classic Sonic a hype moment. At the expense of Tails as a character. Please have some shame
>>532600151Fuck you im doubling down. Forces is a 2 pack of ass and everyone involved with it deserves to be fired. And you deserve a lobotomy
>>532600710>>532600772The dialogue literally points out that Tails' behavior changed during those 6 months. It is 100% the intended plot. The cutscenes you keep mentioning highlight the problem: Sonic Forces does a terrible job at presenting its plot points.
>>532600817It was always a part of Tails' character. Forces did such a bad job at showing it that people's perception of the character became warped and they actually started asking for OOC depictions. Tails' worldview can't be represented accurately anymore because you're scared of Forces' bad execution of it. It made you scared of something that was always meant to be a part of the character.
>>532599395You're kind of weird Shadougebro. Have you gotten help for your drug addictions yet?
>>532601154>It was always a part of Tails' characterNO IT FUCKING WASNT YOU RETARD. Tails is meant to want be like and/or surpass Sonic. That does not and has never meant cowering like a bitch begging for Sonic to save him, even when he’s “depressed”. He fucking learned to save himself in Adventure. NOTHING about Forces is IC. Fuck that shitty game and fuck you
>>532601557The situation in Adventure isn't the same as in Forces. Forces is a hopeless war with no way out anymore. There is a timeskip, during which Tails gave up. Forces does a terrible job at showing how Tails' behavior changed before and after the timeskip. Forces does a terrible job at showing what a world taken over by Eggman looks like. The writer of Forces understood the characters he was working with, however. He knew Sonic should be a positive character that makes the world a better place. He knew Tails trusts Sonic on a fundamental level and hopes for him to appear when he feels he can no longer continue to live. He knew that Knuckles isn't good with other people. He knew that Amy loves Sonic. He knew that Shadow is focused and determined. He knew that Silver is optimistic even when no one else is. Unlike Lost World or Frontiers, the story of Forces was conceptualized around the characters to its core. The characters are not the problem, the presentation is.
>>532602259>during which Tails gave upThat’s fucking OOC. TAILS WOULDNT GIVE UP. You straight up don’t understand his character and neither do Forces’ writers. Stop fucking talking
>>532602495He gives up in both Adventure games when he realizes he is about to die. In those instances that's because it's exactly what happens. In Forces case it's because his mental state is giving him an inaccurate perception of reality, he lives in a depressing world where he can no longer hope or desire to live. Tails is not Silver. Tails' mental state isn't inherently positive, in fact it is actually the opposite, he has insecurities which he does his best to fight. Forces tries to show a desperate scenario where he is taken over by them instead. It's a reflection of the world Forces intends to depict, a world without Sonic, a world without hope, a world where no one wants to live.
>>532602823>You give up when you dieThere’s no fucking way someone can be this retarded. Let alone also think this is analogous to literally any scenario where you don’t die. I hate you
>>532603385Tails thinks he is dying in both instances. He is not actually dying in Forces, but his altered mental state makes it feel that way. He has no reason or hope to live anymore. This is what the story was trying to portray.
>>532603583Well that’s also fucking retarded. Tails is too smart and too developed to think that way. But you wouldn’t know that because again, you don’t understand his character. Shit concept AND shit execution
>>532603883It has nothing to do with intelligence.
>>532603974do you have more funny amy gifs?
>>532604091ew
>>532604128You literally are calling him so weak-minded that he’d think was dying just because Sonic died. The only thing that’s actually that weak-minded is you
>>532604309>just because Sonic diedThat's a major part of it, but it's not just that. If you play SA2 you can see Tails' immediate reaction to that happening and how he behaves in a situation where he is more hopeful, determined, and encouraged. In Sonic Forces the whole world is depressing for 6 months as it is controlled by Phantom Ruby illusions, made by someone who doesn't believe in hope and the bonds of friendship. Tails doesn't have confidence built in at his core like Sonic does. Tails doesn't have inherent hope like Silver does. Tails finds himself alone in a now hopeless world and loses his confidence. He is not doing well, and he has no reason to think that he would. Deep down he still holds hope that Sonic would come back, because that's what saved the world to him in the past. After repeated failure in a hopeless world where his senses are altered by the villain who has taken over, that's all he has. That's what the scene in Forces is trying to portray. It's not saying Tails can't ever be capable without Sonic, that's a dishonest misinterpretation of my posts because you can't admit that your (justified) hate for the game altered your perception of who the character is.
>>532605179You STILL don’t understand his character and it’s laughable. Tails wouldn’t give up, even in a hopeless Sonic-less situation, BECAUSE he looks up to Sonic so much. He knows that giving up just because things get hard would INSULT Sonic’s memory. He’d go down fighting (like he did in Adventure) 100 times out of 100 before ever succumbing to hopelessness. Forces throws all that away just to make Sonic look cooler. It’s a damn shame in EVERY sense for Tails’ character, not just because the execution was shitty. The entire premise is shitty and fundamentally does not understand Tails at all, and neither do you
>>532605631Sonic doesn't cry "Tails!!!" when he dies and Tails isn't around. Tails does, because he is not an endless source of confidence like Sonic is. Tails wants to be like Sonic, but Tails is not infallible. He tries his best to be like Sonic, but that doesn't mean always succeeding. Tails has self doubts and insecurities. Infinite does too, and his whole deal with the Phantom Ruby is to manipulate people's perception of reality, to project his problems on other people, and to amplify them. He is creating a world of suffering that runs on people's weaknesses. And Tails, to his core, has weaknesses. Tails can be vulnerable, both mentally and physically. This is why it is an achievement for him to surpass and better himself in the first place. Sonic is his inspiration for doing so, and now he's lived in a world where even Sonic failed and he is mentally tortured by Phantom Ruby illusions. It is not true that "go down fighting 100 times out of 100 before ever succumbing to hopelessness". That's how Tails aims to be, not how he actually is. Failing to live up to his ambitions damages his sense of self even further, he doesn't like the situation he is in just as much as you. Saying that Tails is exactly like Sonic and would easily manage to behave exactly like Sonic regardless of the circumstances is ignoring and downplaying his struggles towards his ambition. Not only that, but his core strengths are also challenged during the war, making him feel even worse. In Sonic Forces we see Tails in his weakest state, which is sad, but not OOC.
>>532606534What you’re saying would be true if you’re talking about pre-Adventure Tails. Adventure is when he learns to overcome those shortcomings and continue to fight even when things become “hopeless”. Going back to those shortcomings after Adventure is character regression, plain and simple
>>532606916And this is what I take issue with most of all. Sonic Adventure doesn't permanently alter the core of Tails' character. Tails doesn't become a Sonic equivalent at the end of Sonic Adventure. He doesn't become a different person. The struggle he faces in Sonic Adventure is and always was part of his character to begin with, and it should continue to be. He does his best, but that doesn't make him infallible. He is not permanently altered by Sonic Adventure. Confidence isn't a part of Tails' core, it is a struggle. A character like Infinite CAN use this against him. Unfortunately Forces does a terrible job at showing this and so it was seen as OOC, which created this damaging mentality that Tails should become a different character. To the point that Ian Flynn in Frontiers was able to literally have the character talk about how OOC he is and how that's a good thing and people actually praised it for that. No, Sonic Adventure didn't make Tails into a different character, and wanting to do that to him or any character is a terrible idea.
NTA but Tails is shit and wasted his screentime in frontiers to just whine about how shit he is again instead of using that time for actually doing something.
>>532606916I don't know if you'll read this, but before the thread is over I would like to apologize for something. I may have gotten a little too passionate about this myself. I'm afraid I may have suggested that you're any less of a Tails fan or something like that. I'm sorry. Your reaction to Forces is valid, and I felt like that too when the game released. But I've thought about it more over time, and these are my conclusions. I think the reaction to Forces is more damaging than Forces itself, as is Frontiers.
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