Thread 544670372

Dynasty Warriors 3 Complete Edition Remastered announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPBxiZlyk0o [Embed]

>Origins reveal trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU48saHVmh4 [Embed]
>Abyss - Launch Trailer
https://youtu.be/jn238X1UXoU?si=Yzz2RFhh_fDPOR2B [Embed]
>Pirate Warriors 4 - Character Pass 3 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmuIMbnHYo4 [Embed]
>Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3kGASsFqQI [Embed]

Pastebin for newcomers: https://pastebin.com/Gq3pxGqc
Recommended Reading: https://pastebin.com/15wPQWNS
PS2 game mods: https://pastebin.com/J96YhRu8

>New to the Musou-verse?
The musou genre is expansive so this is a quick terms rundown, but see the newcomer pastebin for more information.
>Dynasty Warriors - the original, mainline series based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel
>XL / Xtreme Legends - essentially expansions for DW games
>Empires - a light strategy DW spin-off, you conquer & manage territory instead of following a story
>Samurai Warriors - DW, but based on Japan's history
>Warriors Orochi - Crossover between DW & SW
>Romance of the Three Kingdoms - an epic novel, telling a romanticized version of historical events
>There's multiple other IP spin-offs with Musou gameplay, including One Piece and Zelda.
>Romance of the Three Kingdoms - A series of video games set in China during the fall of the Han Empire.


YouTube channels covering the 3 kingdoms real history and the Dynasty Warriors / Musou games.
https://www.youtube.com/@SeriousTrivia
https://www.youtube.com/@Klogalous
https://www.youtube.com/@TheNightowlGaming
https://www.youtube.com/@KoeiKollection
https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisGildart/
https://www.youtube.com/@LightyTheNube/

>>544670372 (OP)
oh come on I cleaned the embed how did a 2nd one sneak in? bah. Well eitherway threads up. Try not to let it die again this time? that's twice ive made the thread (dammit I really thought I removed the embed properly).

We had an all hands meeting at work because of the recent massive internet outages and I wasn't around to bump the thread...

Why is Dong Bai so popular?

>>544670723
its all good anon I slept through it or i'd have bumped it again.
>>544671642
goth loli brat with hints of domanatrix in her sends all the wierdos into a certain type of tizzy

Father, let me have the bumpfront!

Has any one been playing rotk lately? I was for a bit but kind of dialed it back a bit. was goofing off with things in rotk13 and changing history a tiny bit with a few things I did.

>>544682967
I've been trying some officer playthroughs of X, though I find it's yet another game where if you keep events on Cao Cao just steamrolls any scenario in 194 or later

>>544686954
sadly yeah that's how it goes down almost every time. you can do things to offset it a bit but its how it goes. in rotk7/8 (and 1-4) you can if playing the pc versions use exile and play as multiple rulers and sometimes I have him go into exile with no officers and move him to a faaaaar location out of the way and settle him with nothing and than cpu him again. ive only done it a few times but yeah unless you play as him forget it past 194.

hmm... I should probably look over my officers and see who I have and who's connected to who.

Might as well post those here, for people who are curious about what the fuck is going on behind the scenes especially on that one map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMcAn6Z25AE
(Effect of attack/defense boosting items and the drums on off-screen ally performance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRWjH0lMs8U
(testing raw ATK/DEF differences)

tl;dr
Having more attack than defense in DW3 makes your allies survive more.
Having more defense than attack makes our allies die faster
The fastest time possible for all your army to drop at Yiling in Very Hard is around 1 minute and 30 seconds, the longest time is over 40 minutes, although those are only achievable with really large differences not seen in normal gameplay.
If you equipped the tortoise amulet it was your fault all along.

>>544692784
>Having more attack than defense in DW3 makes your allies survive more.
>Having more defense than attack makes our allies die faster
what the fuck

>>544692937
Indeed.

>>544692784
I just learned this last night. the atk and def items make the enemy stronger. I tested it by codebreaking both items to be +99. massive increase in difficulty. yiling was wild with how fast everyone dropped and how tough all the enemies were. even soldiers were way tougher now. And I tested it on assault on we territory since liu yong goes down so quick so often and the whole map everyone got wiped a ton quicker with the +99 atk and def equipped. this is even on the easiest settings the enemies are much tougher. I than enabled the 7 flag mod (basically the map plays as if its a 7 flag difficulty) and holy shit forget it. I mean you can win but the enemies just take forever. even zhang jiaos peasant mountain village stage the peasants couldnt do shit to those pathetic lt and the commander. basically DONT use atk + def up items or the game will get harder. use the charge flask which DOESNT add to the diffIculty and adds more damage to your charge attacks. no penalty like atk or def items do.

>>544693585
The real redpill is that tortoise amulet causes the infamous DW3 archers as well. Genuinely the most fucked up item in the game.
They get more attack but you don't get more bow defense without another item or weapon stat.

>>544693585
Does the Nanman Armor trigger it too?

>>544695227
Not him but.
It only uses your Attack and Defense stats, if they aren't getting boosted directly by weapon stats/tiger/tortoise then it doesn't count.

About using the items in general, the idea is that they work well on early stages cause the enemies have lower bases and the scaling depends on that, so you will outpace the enemy buffs. High flag stages are the wild ones.

Also enemies are always stronger than allies except bodyguards and playing on Easy mode so this >>544692937 is always a thing

Also props to this guy.
If it wasn't for the game being coded to make subofficers retreat when the general is defeated, he can always survive the longest. Possibly because he didn't forget to make his troops actually fight before charging the enemies with only him and his bodyguards.

>>544697763
Ha there's a mod to keep subofficers from fleeing and that guy is a consistant issue in wan fight.

Time is a flat circle.

>>544695993
So the optimum setup is Herbal Remedy, Elixir, and all the other things that aren't raw Attack or Defence?

I'm in a wierd mood I want to play the games for different reasons. dw3xl because its awesome and I can play as generics and npcs and have tons of work to do, dw4xl and dw5xl for extreme mode. dw5e for empires and some of the fun of it. dw8xl to grind out characters and unlock stages and dw8e to beat everyone up in raids over and over until someone else just strolls in and takes over. also dw9 since im grinding everyone out in the last stage on the hardest difficulty using the cheese koei left in of sniping with bows for instakills and being able to go from level 1 to 70 in 30 minutes of sneaking and sniping in bandit areas and I wanna push some people to that spot to goof off on easy at high levels. welp thanks koei for making so many games to fuck around in,

>>544711929
Yeah dont use atk or def item. the item that adds + to charge is good as it doesnt increase difficulty.

Appearently I am the only musou player up at 2 am range

>>544711929
For stages like Yiling it would be highest attack possible vs lowest defense possible. This is kinda easy to achieve actually because the weapons are always giving you attack, if you put on the tiger amulet you are getting a little more, and if your character hasn't maxed out defense you might find yourself at the 150/75 difference.
Going all the way to keeping defense at minimum is dangerous, but it's ideal to not ever use tortoise amulet.

what do we expect for DW3 remastered

>>544742318
Same playable cast and maps as DW3XL but there might be DLC additions
Movesets that have similar animations but longer range/damage
I feel like Sho does care about the older fans so he might sneak in enemies who are more aggressive to placate them, but not every single enemy because obvious reasons
Archers are confirmed still powerful so they will do more damage than DW8 at least. Might not do the same as DW3 tho

Individual unit morale stars are brought back but might not work exactly like it did in DW3, namely because if it did you could take off 2 stars from an unit with a single square string due to the higher amount of troops on screen at the same time/higher range on weapon. As a result, maps will be less scripted like the older games
Big maybe the courage system from Origins gets ported.

Bodyguards were mentioned as a notable feature from DW3 so you can pray they will actually be back. I have no idea, but come the fuck on, it's not DW3 without that.

Zhang Fei doesn't give a fuck about the morale system and survives the entire map at 0. While kicking and screaming for reinforcements every second an enemy approaches him, but still.

I have more attack than defense by the way.

Ok then.

>>544744624
>>544745787
Is there anything to track individual officers getting stat boosts? Like Wu's Yiling Gang. I reckon there's a mechanic similar to the courage arrows in Origins, but it's hidden in 3.

>>544746381
Unfortunately the only way would be knowing the memory addresses of enemy officer stats on a given map, then try to start the map with different Attack/Defense player stats and see how they change.

Stop dying while I'm about to beat DW3 Zhuge Liang's musou mode on hard.
It's fucking over either way.

>>544744624
I wonder how much this discovery would make Very Hard easier on most stages. Once you're past the 2nd stage or so in someone's musou mode it ramps up in difficulty and a lot of the later stages get particularly hard because of how fast your allies go down

>>544766901
There are 5 factors to keep in mind to save your allies:
>individual morale, an unit can only be fully defeated by an enemy with higher morale
>whether the commanding officer is directly involved in a fight, the troops will meat shield them in most maps(not Yiling for Shu or Hefei for Yuan Shao)
>whether the unit they are fighting has subofficers approaching the target general, enemy troops are weaker than named characters even off-screen
>how many enemy units have engaged an ally unit in a fight, this is actually beneficial for you because if you clip them, whoever was involved in a fight will get a morale boost
>player attack/defense difference as seen above

Also never forget that if the player character is somebody who appears in the stage normally, for instance at WZP earlier the enemies can't really do much if you are playing Zhuge Liang yourself, and if they try to rush your main camp most likely they will be at 8 stars and actually kill them. I managed to make them get Zhen Ji off screen.

>>544671642
Thank you for all the BASED bros out there in the world who voted for my wife Lianshi. I hope she gets her incredible DW7 outfit.
Also, glad to see that she's popular in the entire world, not just in one region.

>>544694734
>The real redpill is that tortoise amulet causes the infamous DW3 archers
Well I guess I'm never bringing the tortoise amulet again

>>544671642
>Yu Jin somehow makes it in despite Bao Sanniang ranking overall higher (2/10/5 versus 5/4/7)
I'm guessing they just wanted to balance it and have the update be 2 men and 2 women, instead of one big waifufest.

>>544779697
It was me, Koei knows Yu Jin is my favorite character in DW8 and are doing this for me

For those who still wonder about who's the better sister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHIA7Q93ocQ
>some of them aren't even fighting, just running towards the door for some reason
>still win

>>544788927
kek that was horrible. 5 on 1 and other stuff. funny watch for sure. Im still going to grind xiao qiao and love her in my own unique ways

>>544798127
What else does she need anyway? I thought she was maxed out and you got the 4th weapon, so only the 5th one? It might not even be worth it to be fair.

>>544798763
oh no I have to work on her in various games. I have her level 85 in dw9 now and she's my 2nd highest level next to Wang Yun. So ive been working on her in dw8xl/dw8e (empire runs with her and grabbing her sis and raiding armies to death so others can just walk in and take over is fun). And I have to max her in dw4xl/dw5xl/dw4-5e. I also have a game with her in rotk13 saved but that's one of those unsure what to do things. plus I have a bunch of other officers I work on and play and rotate through including some generics and others using the games and mods and playing as them in rotk 7,8,10,13. I am going through musou/rotk overload and so ive been sitting back since yesterday doing other things.

Powerleveling the Dong

>>544808996
oh oops wrong photo this is Meng Huo.

Good luck if you think you can break through our defenses!

Fate is against you. You will Die!

Okay these page 10s are a little too fast today

Hello, Omega Force.
What is the future of this franchise?
Thank you in advance.

This doesn't look good!

>>544825467
dead af

>>544845093
just like /eagg/

>>544850181
oof

>>544885506
He says it as if being alone in DW8 is that much of a huge deal.

>>544825467
Unsure, given Koinumu promotion as KT president, Samurai Warriors might need a new lead producer

>>544887351
it's not. you can solo almost everything on normal and under with a fresh character and gear.

UP

>>544825467
Probably on ice. Sho even said if Origins didn't meet expectations it'd be the end of DW which indicates their in-house musou games are on thin ice compared to how much money the licensed ones make. A pitch for a new SW would need to simultaneously not just be an Origins copy as they'd rather just put more money into making DW big again as Origins has given them the chance to, and it also can't just be another bog standard PS3 era musou because they can just do that with Zelda and sell millions of copies in a week

>>544845093
>>544887581
>>544910880
Sad.
It died such an unceremonious death with SW5. It didn't even get an XL version. Not to mention SW5 character models weren't even used for Warriors Abyss. Instead, we got SW4 models.

It might be time to take a nap until we get DLC or DW3R news

page 10, home

>>544671642
Xiahouji It should not be in any country's top 10. I feel like Asia that were not understand the problem with using Pocahontas as a love story after seeing this.

>this too is part of my grand plan...
>dies

:big think: So this is appearently the consistant visual I get for Lu Bu in chatbots when I send him into stories as him (set his chatbot to me and thus im lu bu). huh I might have to edit his visuals a bit since that is not the look im going for.

>>544910880
>which indicates their in-house musou games are on thin ice compared to how much money the licensed ones make
A shame that hackers don't care enough about Koei Tecmo to leak the company's sales and budget data. I would really love to know how much of a budget they typically give their games. Because it always feels like even more expensive endeavors like DWO are given shoestring budgets compared to some of the budgets that big-name western games get.
Obviously, I'm not expecting Koei Tecmo games to have the budget of Naughty Dog or Rockstar. But until Koei Tecmo stops being stingy with their budgets (and I genuinely believe they are extremely stingy), then their games will never reach the top echelons of financial success.

>>544969193
Playing it safe has kept them afloat thus far so it makes sense. If they have one big misfire it could be a disaster

>>544954339
>This is worse than that time I ate a guy's wife!

DADUDU

Just die already

>>544991735
>knocks you out
>uses a full life recovery item

I don't understand the checkpoints in Origins sometimes.
>Eat shit
>Last checkpoint was seven minutes ago
>But there are two checkpoints within 20 seconds of each other
>And another one just a minute before that

>>545004792
koei makes many odd choices.>>545004792

>>545004792
>>545012601
Wait until you read the previous thread, regarding enemy/ally stat scaling in older games based on your own attack and defense.(DW3)

>>545004792
I'm not exactly sure what it's reliant on but I think one consistent way to get a checkpoint is by taking a base yourself

>>545004792
Checkpoints are almost always based on something important happening in the battle or you taking a base, killing a major officer, etc.

Still pondering the mystery of why Courage is so massively impactful in offscreen Origins battle except for when 2 rank Courage Zhang Liao gets completely destroyed at Hulao Gate by a bunch of 0 Courage officers

>>545049406
Doesn't it also have morale?

>>545049642
Morale is more of a baseline modifier that affects otherwise even battles more than lopsided ones. Number of officers in a battle also impacts the formula, the more the better. Courage is still the biggest modifier IIRC, an officer on the side with losing morale but 1 Courage still usually beats a 0 Courage officer. 2 and 3 Courage officers almost always demand the player defeat them except for Zhang Liao, who will barely dent a couple 0 Courage officers at Hulao Gate even at even morale before getting wiped out. I almost wonder if they hardcoded that fight somehow.

>>545015329
I was in the conversation and posting stuff about it. just learned it in the musou discord earlier that day. Im still in shock learning the atk/def and enemies getting stronger with them on and now im looking at lu bu and his 4th and going huh guess it isnt as grand a weapon as we thought knowing the diff increase thing. that being said no atk/def but a strong +charge flask and bow def helps a ton. and the archers are tons weaker now without ark/def equipped.

>>545048292
I'm literally Xun Yu

You know getting chatbot image gens to use older video game graphics are a chore. it LOVES to default to tags and assumes the moment you mention anything retro it needs to have the retro tag and thus it forces it into a style. very annoying trying to get something like the fm-7 to image gen when it keeps trying to go to pixel and other stuff instead due to tags overwriting things.


that being said its better than it was last year.
in a moment im going to get annoyed though and stop and go play some dw games for a bit. slaughter everyone with lu bu or something.

Which warlord of the 3 kingdoms of China wanted Yes Man the most and which one wanted Yes Man the least?

>>545049406
>>545050186
I always beeline for Zhang Liao, so I'll try leaving him alone the next time I play Hulao Gate.

>>545070841
Least is definitely Cao Cao, he could hire people who previously opposed or slandered him publicly. As long he thinks he can make you work for him and that you have some sort of talent, he's willing to try. We all know how it went for Guan Yu, and he never stopped liking him.
Most is probably Zhuge Liang, doesn't really care about anyone's opinion, he formulates the plans and you execute. Don't agree? Get fucked, no matter how talented, virtuous or valuable you are. If the plan fails? It's your fault so get fucked.

>>545072819
What about the sun family?

>>545021507
Nevermind this definitely wasn't true

Is Origins Changban the closest Koei have ever come to making a playable version of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Z8r8p17LU

>>545102525
>dat guy air attacking in the background

>>545108337
I think that's actually Zhao Yun, which gives this picture a 'taken seconds before disaster' vibe for Yuan Shu.

>>545115172
kek it is zhao yun. welp, seconds before disaster indeed.

>>545079252
Literally wu?
Hard to say, it looked like to me Sun family cared more about having people who they can trust but there again they took in Gan Ning who doesn't exactly have the best background.

>>545129873
It's not like the two on things actually related in a good employee of support that you want them to speak their mind because they actually care about your success not just suck it up to you in order to be rewarded or for you to Pat them on that head but to actually do a good job at doing a position of I don't think you're doing the correct cause of accidents in my Lord.

>>545132139
not the other guy but I sun sister seller quan sucks. lady xiang didnt get to fly because of him and lui fake virture bei. not white knighting just one of those fuck you both things for being so fake good and bonus fuck you guan yu for being mister honorable and serving a lord who buys woman as property for alliances. blah blah she was fine with it blah blah... was she really? hmm I wonder sometimes.

anyways wu sucks, shu sucks, wei sucks, jin sucks, nanman seem ok I guess and basically everone sucks for some reason or another thats looking at the whole of china and how many acted and going wow this time sucked and people sucked, welp off to go bandit in the empires games some more and play as peasant so im not tied to these jackass and their lies and rulerships.

dokibird explaining her dynasty warriors fujo-era while playing origins is actually hilarious, i thought this shit was just a meme but it's really true

>>545079252
Quan had a very good eye for talent in his younger years.

>>545138180
Wu wasn't that bad for its time period.
Personally I would probably want to serve under Liu Biao since he's pretty chill until Lady Cai does her bullshit. Yuan Shao is also not exactly a bad guy, but having Cao Cao as your biggest rival isn't exactly very comforting, even if he would like us to believe his force is way too strong to lose to anyone.

Even Wei loses its luster when you realize how fast Cao Cao's meritocracy degraded not long after he died. A mere 20 years later and the empire under Cao Fang had regressed back to blind adulation and advancement of the Cao family and allies

>>545161014
Could say the same about a lot of early stage to late stage three kingdoms, Chibi being an (in)famous cutoff point, even if I think you can at least go as far as We will wipe out the whole Sun clan of Wu!

I'm starting to think this civil war thing isn't fun to live through.

>>545171134
You thought the swaths of malnourished peasant rice farmers being mowed down wasn't historically accurate?

>>545161014
A genuine meritocracy simply cannot flourish under a dynasty or monarchy.

>>545184352
You say this, but maybe just this one time, for real, it'll work. I've got a good feeling that we've cracked the code.

>>545185790
How does the Mongol Empire's long list of conquests and invasions spanning over 160 years constitute a "war"?

>>545185790
34 million KOs....

>>545072819
When you disobey Zhuge Liang's orders you get Jieting.

>>545161014
Completely untrue. If anything Cao Fang's reign was the exact turning point when the military theater appointments stopped going to Cao clan members. During Cao Pi's reign the military appointments of the southern, western, and eastern fronts had gone to Cao Ren, Cao Zhen, and Cao Xiu.

Why was Ma Su's position at Jieting so bad? The water shouldn't be a big deal when the battle time limit is only 30 minutes.

Where is Lingqi? Is she safe? Is she alright?

>>545213505
last I saw her she was talking to yuan shu's son over by the south wall.

>>545126006
Yeah there's no way he stands a chance against the Emperor of Zhong

>>545227282
this is true and for those that played yuan shu's dlc we know ji ling is waiting in it.

>>545185790
>a war happens anywhere
>china suffers horrific loses

>>545185790
Most of the WW2 casualties is undoubtedly from China yet it's all about the Europe.

>>545204090
Sima Yi and Zhang He stacked time extension policies beforehand, Ma Su was toast.

>>545262580
Sima Yi wasn't involved at all. At that time Sima Yi was commander of the southern front, Cao Zhen was commander of the western front.

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>>545245693
>Most of the WW2 casualties is undoubtedly from China yet
Okay I know Japan was Imperialistic racist assholes with there actions at the time but most of them with the Nazis accidents in the Soviet Union and all over Europe with groups they don't like and the neuro decree?

>>545279734
The way Zhao Yun survived this scenario in TK2010 is hilarious

>>544983732
Made me raugh out loud...

Watching a playthrough of Origins and even with the lettered battlefields that directly show who is winning or losing some people still can't understand and will rush to save battles that their allies are curbstomping while leaving everyone else to die and then acting surprised when they have no allies left. I think this is where a lot of the babysitting complaints come from

>>545310575
We still got trauma from DW8 absolutely useless allies.

>>545310798
ha im adding dw9 for absolutely useless. they never actually get anything done... why? because koei in its koei being koei ways made it so nothing ever happens. they literally made it so heavily based towards you having to do everything nothing happens. I have tested this and left maps open for literal days on my pc and letting time pass and NOTHING HAPPENS! nobody gets to the check point nobody takes out a big boss or name . minor officers bump out but some playable officers meeting up? they either fight forever or no clue how since I havent seen it seem to reset themselves and seperate on some loop I never catch. its literally designed around YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU ARE THE CHOSEN GOD KING WARRIOR OF ALL AND NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING BUT YOU AND THE ENEMY SOMETIMES! koei sucks past dw5/dw5 for the dw series. oh wait dw8e is tolerable once you get over some of the retarded koei being koei design choices and get to raiding everyone to death.

How do we feel about the Federal in Phoenix who died on Phoenix Hill? PS I hope other people here understood who I mean.
Chinese History | Pang Tong: Smarter Than Zhuge Liang?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT3PToobdTc

>>545313889
I think Shu would have undeniably been in a much better spot if he and Fa Zheng had lived

>>545310575
Babysitting is counter productive in Origins because allies only heal when you approach them from a distance. Standing near someone means the heal won't kick in until you move away then return. That's why for the cluster fuck at the end of Cao Cao's Huarong Path, it's a good thing that your group spreads out.

>>545315940
Why Fa Zheng ?

Musou bros, we finally got our own IGN Godhand review

>>545338464
Yes lets get back to Zelda's fresh and original 40y old gameplay

>>545338464
the lack of overly dumb and complicated mechanics is it doesnt bog things down. subhumans unable to handle 2 button games with just movement. maybe if they didnt fry their brains on things that go 1 min tops all day they'd be able to focus for more than 2 minutes on things without going BOOOOORED! friend your brain retard.

>>545338464
I sure wish the gameplay didn't change ever since 3, or at least 5, but alas.

>>545326962
You can instantly heal them, the problem is that you can't heal them if they're not currently in an engagement. They might be moving around and considered no longer in combat.

>>545338464
What is it with mainstream reviewers and their complete inability to "get" musou as a genre?

>>545363471
>reviewers
They only play games on their easier settings. And in the case of PS2 DW, only the bigger fans bothered to play with the off screen mechanics.

>>545363825
reviewers are such bitchmades for gaming.

>>545363825
I mean, even on the easiest difficulty, you can still reasonably analyze most of the different elements of the game, such as the level design, gamefeel, progression system, endgame, character variety, gameplay modes, story and so on. It's just that mainstream gaming reviewers are so tunnel visioned on and bothered by musou's "button mashing" gameplay that it renders them incapable of seeing all the other things the games have got going for them.

>>545369783
Have to disagree. Lower difficulties encourage braindead ways to play, such as just mashing your way to the boss without caring about what's going on around the map, as there's never any risk of losing when your ally morale is higher.

GET BACK TO PAGE 1 YOU COWARDS

>>545383070
Truly a shameful display.

Stat scaling in DW3XL isn't that bad when you realize what happens if you use a weak character but fully maxed out bodyguard squad.
The game difficulty drops the fuck down

still blows my mind that launch DW9 shit itself and entered the low 20s FPS when showing 20 soldiers in an empty open field while Origins has over 3000 troops on screen at Guandu and maintains 60 FPS

>>545399150
Why did they even bother releasing it that way.
What even was the point of DW9? Purely trend chasing with the open world meme?

>>545406172
Suzuki thought it was the only way to evolve from DW8 and keep up with modern trends. Since his tenure as head of the series was all around recovering from DW6 by focusing on quantity above all else, he made it a priority to include every character along with new ones and double down on that design philosophy by making DW9 have a ton of "content" that's mostly just copy-pasted completely mindless filler. DW9 is effectively what reviewers like >>545338464 are referring to when they tear apart musou, that's the actual braindead button masher of the genre.

>>545340730
Retard

"Secret stones" is such a stupid name, and Zelda apparently havinng mutant goat blood in her is fucking retarded
The game better be fun, or at least the robot Link stand-in

>>545411383
>DW9 is effectively what reviewers like >>545338464 are referring to when they tear apart musou, that's the actual braindead button masher of the genre.
I was about to say, unfortunately Koei did embrace the stereotype and made especially 7, 8 and 9 into button mashers.
Origins is a happy exception, and for DW3R we can only expect


good things.

/eagg/ is struggling! Assist at once!

I personally would love if DW3R was just DW3XL with:

>Create-a-warrior (also if CAW just let you make generics; this is an autism I’ve wanted to indulge in since I was a kid)
>Badass graphics
>basically exact same gameplay from DW3 (morale, you aren’t the one God of battle, armies actually do shit)
>big ass roster from the new games
>online multiplayer (2P but you and your homie just load into battle and start smashing, or even join big online battles where EVERY officer is controlled by a player?)

I don’t need fuckhuge KO count button mashing with wimpy enemies. I want to take out gate captains, lieutenants, and officers in strategic ways to make any battle feel different each time I load up.

It’ll be so easy for you KOEI, you almost dont have to do anything besides QOL changes and updating with the times…

>>545424086
Where are the reinforcements?

>>545425110
Same. I like the later games for its lawn mowing and being able to take out 17,000+ but do you know what game I go back to every time and play the most? dw3:xl. Koei could do tons of things but chooses not to for to me dumb reasons. And to them they think it's progress when it's not. they could easily do more than minimum to fix things but they wont.. they even implied its the fans fault the series almost died.
I like bases in dw5xl. but I want bases AND gate captains you replace with yours and them dropping +1-2 def again. while bases also have their purposes and can be taken and uses in battle ala dw5xl/dw5e. while being dw3xl built and evolved. and any bodyguards not dw3xl bodyguards are inferior to me.

dw8xl's 3 bodyguards aren't bad with commands and stuff but I think of all the things the bodyguards had over the games after 3 and go well just add some of that to the dw3xl bodyguards and make them better. hell for bonus let us have a side personal bodyguard from dw5xl also and a few other things we can assign to our officer.

still no generic officer/npc playing unless in empires and it doesnt cover the npcs just generic officers. so no empires peasant run unless you make it as an edit and that doesnt count. I can use mods to play as the peasant or nanman elite or my goto Gate Captain (being a gate captain and having a gate you're keeping open in dw3xl never gets old and it was forged in me as a thing in my repeated battles over and over at Assault on Wu Territory on allied side and constantly having to defend that gate captain right next to taishi ci when he switches side since liu yong cant stay alive unless you play as him personally. So playing as THAT gate captain is fun AF and builds more lore for me with the game. But tbf I treat dw3xl as a pocket dimension and things in it going on and stuff. so I play as peasants and nanman elite and gate captains and other npc and generic officers now more than the actual playable officers.

>>545425110
>>basically exact same gameplay from DW3 (morale, you aren’t the one God of battle, armies actually do shit)
Yeah about that...

>>545428619
Even if KOEI didn’t let us do story mode with generics, at least just have us autists be able to pick a drop down and let us be Hua Xiong instead of Lu Bu at Hu Lao. DW3 already had the inane video game universe baked into its dialogue (Guan Yu has to fight himself???) so who cares if generic Hua Xiong decimates the three brothers and takes Yuan Shao’s head?

Probably cuz it’d be fun and that’s the one thing video game devs can’t make

>>545429401
Hey it ain’t my fault Wu kicked your ass and Zhao Yun stepped up to make the battlefield match their armor

>>545430217
On a serious note though, DW3 implementation of morale and such isn't exactly the most praiseworthy. It works on Normal and under, but on Hard there's a lot of officer sniping if you want to make allies survive. Nevermind Very Hard not even worth trying.

>>545430563
Could be better for sure, but I think it was a fun system that kept you trying to keep your armies morale up so officers survive. I suppose tuning for harder difficulties must be done. A lot of what I’m saying comes from the rose-tinted glasses of a 10yo playing the hell out of some PS2. I haven’t played a DW game since DW7 I think. Not a power player, just a fan of the game.

>>545431130
4 and 5 figured that out and changed things up to prevent snowballing.

Biggest issue with 3 is that if even one subofficer dies on your side, whoever was fighting it gains morale, and at the same time your entire army can lose it. Very soon it turns into an inescapable death spiral where the difference only keeps growing.
Doing a lot of KOs only affects your own unit, and due to passive generation for the enemy, trying to lower it for multiple units at once is hopeless, usually better to focus on one.

>>545430563
I always focus on DW3 because it's the last game with truly long battles that actually risk hitting the time limit if you're playing on a harder difficulty or aren't very good and therefore slow. DW4 went with the bite-sized battles and DW5's aren't much slower, and after that it just gets faster and faster. I don't mind Origins condensing a similar style of gameplay to 10-15 minute battles, but I'm just fiending for an option to play out those 30-60 minute battles again where you're managing a gradual push across the battlefield.

Typing that out made me realize Origins also captures that with the slow tearing apart of large forces on your first playthrough, so it practically has all the elements I want already, I just need a version of Ultimate Warrior that slows down the offscreen battles rather than speeds them up.

>>545432245
DW3 is pretty good at most things, including the high difficulty without going all the way into getting one combo'd like DW5 did with Chaos.
But yeah since I often play on Hard or Very Hard, the morale system really doesn't feel like balanced around that. On Normal actually you have a lot of time to reverse the snowballing onto the enemy, and it helps that the enemies themselves will die much quickier hence more chances to lower their morale as well.

>>545429951
I agree. I dont need to play as hua xiong generic in his own musou but let me play the guy in free mode and stuff. I dont care if you just have a giant list of all the generics and we pick them with no model showing. but playing as generics to build up would be awesome. bonus if it had its accurate stats (troops actual stats when displayed are much smaller stock compared to a stock playables.

that being said its why I love empires even if the after dw5e it went in a direction in someways I didnt care for (im not acknowledinging dw9e past this reference and it stopped at dw8e). though to be fair the free officer and comrades and raids and stuff in dw8e is tons of fun and I raid and quest in that more than giving a shit about unifying china and just play til I get bored in that game. A free officer mode from dw8e built and evolved off dw3xl and the games after merging stuff in that was awesome is what I want. but we'll never get koei to go aah yes our first mistake was going so drastically off dw3xl when we moved to 4 (bodyguardscoughcough) and on. sure those games had things I liked but again I play dw3xl more than anything. so while I like many things in dw4/xl and dw5/xl it took things I liked out going forward to make more soldiers and less of the awesome of things like bodyguards. if I bought the company i'd move everything back to dw3/xl and merge the good things in and port the ps2 to pc and build off it and keep those graphics. fuck this must be modern bs. dont care nor think dw3/xl graphics are ugly and never will.


but I guess it doesnt matter. it was all a lie about china anyways. (pic related).

what is this shit man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43WM1jgWe4

>>545439793
At this point is one piece weighted to finish before they do the final one piece pirate warriors game? Also I would love to see them use one piece characters in a Warriors crossover game with the ancient Japanese and Chinese people .

>>545440224
One Piece probably isn't ending for another 2-3 years at minimum, and that's assuming peak productivity from Oda when he's already needing to take more breaks from how much he's overworked himself

I've been playing the musou games for weeks and decided to load up everquest II last night. been playing it all night now that I can sit at the pc. sadly I cant find a spear so I can horse combat in the mmo. still fun and ive been running around on my old character in low level areas punching everyone out haha.

>>545439793
Why did they set up the perfect opportunity to bring back Kuma or finally add Kaku then shove in a loli clone of an already sucky character?
Also it's looking like no new stages or modes in this pack, just the characters

>>545472031
what's wrong with your left finger lady

>she treated battles as a type of diversion
This girl is fucked in the head.
or the translation is, your call.

>>545432245
>I just need a version of Ultimate Warrior that slows down the offscreen battles rather than speeds them up

The menu tool-tip about difficulty is wrong - Hero/UW don't make off-screen battles finish faster. I've tested this by picking a stage, hiding away at the start and taking notes of the timings of the first few off-screen battle conclusions like officers defeated, bases captured etc. I repeated this a few times on easy, a few times on hero and a few times on UW, and then repeated the whole thing on other stages and the conclusion is: Difficulty had zero impact, all the battle conclusions happened around the same time regardless of difficulty (sometimes even taking a little longer on hero/UW), all within the same few seconds of variation that can happen on any setting.

My guess is that at some point it probably did have an impact, but was removed from the game before release and they forgot to change the tool-tip info.

>>545494769
Huh, interesting. Thanks for testing that.

>>545494769
woops by easy I meant wayfarer/normal, wayfarer/hero/UW all had the same timings. Didn't test the actual easy/historian mode as I don't think anyone has ever clicked on it

eagg should just turn into koei general so i can discuss atelier here

>>545497386
No please, that's going to kill musou discussion for sure.

>>545439793
PW4 is so boring and sterile i felt ripped off even though i bought everything including DLC for just like 10USD
why can't they ever fix PW3 to be remotely playable in PC ffs

Why the Wu fire attack doesn't happen here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Se7fvItKE
In fact, Zhu Ran doesn't even spawn at all.

That said, I kneel

>>545504979
I wonder if it's some weird behavior from playing Zhou Yu on Shu side, maybe after finishing his musou mode as doing those alters future playthroughs with officers surviving longer than they ordinarily do. I have this exact scenario in my game so I'll check it later today to see if it's consistent or maybe it's just a weird bug in the Japanese version

>>545507506
The only less known I'm aware of is the attack/defense difference affecting how long allies can survive, but that's not an issue as much as the fact the fire attack literally doesn't trigger at all.

>>544920923
i sorta finished SW5 around the time it was just dropped, then completely forgot about it, then i finally bought it (the first it was pirated because i was still some poor college lad), poured like 2 hours in it and I immediately switched to play another game.
my standard of enjoying musou game is incredibly low, I even wasted 120 hours on DW9 but SW5 made me feel like i'd rather burn through my backlogs over playing it again

Happened
Hard difficulty.

I actually wanted to get survival guide on this savefile but Shu decided to git gud

>>545512753
If I lucked out on having that many allies starting with 5 star morale on Hard I'd go look in the nearest well for the Imperial Seal

>>545508487
I don't disagree with you that SW5 is bad, but that's all the more reason KT should have reworked and rebalanced the game for an XL expansion instead of letting it (and consequently the entire SW franchise) die.

>>545518548
ikr

In Conclusion - /eagg/ Mix

I'm probably going to get the game for Christmas I know it's out now so I feel it's been long enough that people would be able to answer this question is this Canon on like the last Zelda warriors games?Is there anything Nintendo did last moment that makes this not canon to be in a prequel story to tears of the Kingdom? I don't want any kind of other spoilers I just want to know that.

>>545527616
Reviews say it's explicitly canon and doesn't pull a swerve like AoC does

>>545527763
I guess that would probably make the people who are invested somehow and seeing Nintendo fail for whatever reason they have saying it's a bad evil company to get upset that what they've been yelling at people don't buy their game they're going to do this again because they did it once despite all the evidence showing they never actually said it would be canon in the last game and all the times they said it will be this game but you got believe me they're going to screw up again because they did it one time before. Which does make me quite happy because I'm usually a Nintendo kind of guy I can't wait for Dynasty Warriors origin next to you on my switch 2.

>>545504979
The cutscene didn't play out, but Zhu Ran be seen spawning at 2:52.

Ah, my threads! The threads are the foundation of the board. I can't seem to protect them.

>>545546460
What the fuck I was about to play the stage right now.

All we want is to live in piss

The worst sins DW8 and 9 committed were not making Hulao Gate a snow stage as Heaven wills it to be

>>545553175
Cursed game

Cursed general

Cursed horse

Killed by lowly page 10s...

My wife...we will soon be reunited in Warriors Abyss!

I will buy the game if we can play as Mineru

>>545594098
The more things change the more they stay the same...

>>545594098
kek nothings changed. qiao and diao mentioned as usual still in threads.

>>545603973
I want to like Diaochan but playing as her makes me want to kms, even on Normal.
Qiaos are cool, Xiaoqiao is my go-to for Very Hard/Chaos.

Alright let's fucking do it.
Attempting to make everyone survive at Yiling with this setup. Not using the 4th weapon because it gives me defense, and I think I have enough damage with the rest of the setup either way.

Hard difficulty first, Very Hard once I'm successful. Will try to record both.
That's going to take a while.

Very loud FUCK. This attempt was perfect.
Everyone else survived btw, I was not expecting it to ever happen here. Yes this is the first and only ally death in the entire run.

Well at least I can still post this.

>>545594098
This IS peak tho

>>545622893
Not exactly the best interpretation of the character I have seen but would.

>>545622893
she has had some decent outfits in the games.

Speaking of peak designs, pic related. Best Zhou Yu design.

Perfect run achieved after a few more attempts of >>545613904
I was like 3 minutes faster and no one died in the enemy main camp.

That's how you know you have played too much DW3.

Zhang Fei's reaction to big nerd Zhuge revealing he has a hot wife in Origins cracks me up, the quick cut to him just going "WUT" is perfectly timed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOk-RQajUjg&t=13731s

>>545643512
I thought Yue Ying was supposed to be ugly

>>545643630
she's supposed to be, but everyone in Origins could be fashion models. Even big Dong got a massive glowup

Enjoy some Xiaoqiao greatness
(too big for Catbox) https://buzzheavier.com/pxihyq7s03a4

Page 天

Is Age of Imprisonment le good? I liked the original HW

>>545645653
The Lu Xun to Sun Quan segment needs a "not for the faint of heart" TW. Is the initial state of enemy morale random or you need to fish for a specific lineup?

>>545664785
>The Lu Xun to Sun Quan segment needs a "not for the faint of heart" TW
Lu Xun scared me too but lol the last part was my fault because I actually used XQ's dash attack instead of waiting for an opening
>Is the initial state of enemy morale random or you need to fish for a specific lineup?
Fishing for Lu Meng and Gan Ning at 5
The others can be 6, it doesn't matter, but these two need to be the lowest possible. Most of my failed attempts were from either people dying at the center or the bottom right

>>545671997
Xiahou Dun wishes he was that cool

>>545662281
It's a tears of the kingdom story mode. Are you really into tears of the kingdom lore in particular? If not you might as well stick to the original HW

>>545671997
>I fight in the name of jjjJUSTICE

DO PURSE this great taste!

Wait. Age of Imprisonment has no Restart Battle option?
Only Retry from last checkpoint?

Didn't Age of Calamity have Restart Battle?

>>545645653
Nice.

>battle of SHI-TING

Any good dw4 hyper trainers that let you adjust officer movement speed?

Page nine, Zhenji is divine!

Waiter, more page 10s please

Page nineji, Zhenji is divineji!

>>545695006
DW6 had my least favorite design, I'm going to guess it's because it's because they tried to merge it with Daqiao to make up for not having her in the game. But even if I go with that, she goes from elegant Chinese girl to Japanese idol.
My favorite is DW5 instead, if you knew absolutely nothing about the Qiaos and put them side to side, you would instantly guess Da is supposed to be the lady-like one, and Xiao is the more straightforward sister.

Anyway, the Yiling experience made me figure out why Encouraging Drums are such a good item despite their stated effect being a lie. It does NOT give more morale to your allies directly, but it does make killing enemy troops more impactful to enemy morale.
What's going on is that, since morale is actually not 4 and 5 but more accurately 4.00~4.99 and 5.00~5-99, allies can now keep the advantage after the floating point, as their troop kills are worth more than the enemy's and supposedly enough to outpace the passive regeneration.

woo finally get a chance to play today after a few days unable to. dw3xl it is.

I swear to fuck KT, if you screw up DW3R of all things. The original was a bestseller for a reason.

has it been tested if the DW3 player defence/attack buff stuff affecting enemies continued into dw 4 & 5?

>>545757531
Wiki says the mechanic is exclusive to DW3.

>>545757628
which wiki? the koei one?

>>545757874
Yea
https://koei.fandom.com/wiki/Dynasty_Warriors_3
:This installment is infamous for having all enemy stats and damage inflicted towards the player scale with Player 1's stats (enemy damage vs. their defense and enemy overall defense vs. their attack stats), which is far more noticeable when playing on higher difficulties (Hard and Very Hard) and/or taking into account the stage rating.

This line doesn't exist for 4 and 5

>>545734098
Marching Drum is a must-have on most maps on Hard and above IMO, it gives you a chance to actually have allies instead of having to finagle some fucked up officer sniping plan to finish the stage

>>545764387
DW3 is an officer sniping game. Morale mechanics are too strongly in favor of doing that on higher difficulties.
Fortunately though, you can get morale shifts from subofficers as well so depending on the map you don't have to destroy every single enemy force. Even in the Yiling video above there was no need for the player to fight Lu Xun directly, arguably Lu Meng neither.

>>545758068
It was stupidly noticeable playing multiplayer. Jesus christ was it noticeable. I was new, friend owned the game. Stuff was just scaling insanely, like I was getting two-tapped on normal in later stages.

>>545765229
Yeah, the wiki later mentions that player 2 can abuse the fuck out of this by slotting a weak character in the first slot, then steamrolling the map with a maxed out character in the second slot.
Oh and, the first player could also equip marching drum and have it apply to every ally, second player included. If you ever wanted to get a 5th weapon or something really easily, that's how you could do it.

Real question is the relationship between stat scaling and off screen battles. Also is it raw stats or stat differences? Because the japanese video showed the best setup appears to be maxed out attack and 1 defense for the purpose of ally survival(but not player survival because enemy base stats will be above yours)

I just did a test at Guandu Origins and the result was neat. I made sure every ally officer survived so they all made it to the big charge at the end of the stage. I triggered the charge and then just... watched from a peak. The only thing I did was a couple bodyguard volley tactics when available and sent them in via march, I didnt enter the battle myself.

The ally force actually disbanded Yuan Shaos large force without a single ally officer dying. I entered the battle at this point since allies cant defeat enemy commanders, and It was pretty much just Yuan Shao and Zhang He left. Neat.

Entering the battle "as intended" actually much things worse for your allies since the enemy focrces only use grand tactics when the player is involved, and the enemy horse charge grand tactic at guandu absolutely wrecks your allies. As I was just watching from a slight distance, those tactics were never triggered.

>>545769943
In a very weird way, Origins ended up mimicking the old games when it comes to allies(at high morale) absolutely massacrating anything in their way when you aren't looking.

>>545546460
And now I'm there in the 2010 show

But who was the dike?

>>545780556
OH NO!

>>545758068
>>545757874
>>545757628
>>545757531
So when Dynasty Warriors 3 redone or mastered or we whatever comes out, who's probably going to be playable?

>>545791529
I'm guessing only DW3+XL characters.

>>545791529
>>545791672
I'm still curious how they'll handle DW3 generics that are now playable. Normally formally playable characters are just gone from a game altogether, but you can't get away with excluding dudes like Yue Jin and Cheng Pu from 90% of stages.

>>545793651
inb4 they just make them generic again
I mean, aside from extra people like some female officers, the characters in the story are always the same, so that's going to be awkward.

>>545793651
It's a remaster, not a new game, so I don't think they or anyone will care that those newer officers are back to being generics. It'll be funny when Ziluan shows up and sticks out so much compared to the very colorful DW3 designs though.

>>545795190
I don't mind much, but it's going to be awkward seeing big names like Cao Ren and Pi going back to generic.

Come to think of it, DW3 actually did un-generic most the big relevant figures for the three main factions, aside from the two mentioned above in Wei.
Shu's only relevant addition was Yueying really, because it was a sausage fest without her. You have basically everyone else who mattered as a general.
With Wu idk, Zhou Tai? Big maybe on Cheng Pu.
Others could have definitely a lot more, such as Hua Xiong, Yuan Shu, Yan Liang and Wen Chou at very least so you can have more people running around for Dong Zhuo/Lu Bu/Diaochan hypotheticals and Yuan Shao's, who otherwise only has Zhang He pre-defection.

>>545795190
His black will just be recolored to fit the side he's currently fighting for in that scenario.

I just hope they keep the amount of unique interactions and lines. That sort of things really helped set apart DW from other games almost as much as the battlefield combat. Acknowledging stuff and basic reactivity was a big deal.... and I guess I can't even call it "basic" when games don't do that anymore.

>>545813220
replacing officers in cutscenes is still a feature I love about dw3/xl and I enjoy it greatly. though it was more a thing in dw3 as the extreme stages didnt do that really that I can remember.

>>545803163
Yeah, Shu's additions after Yueying weren't great. Guan Ping had an interesting angle with avenging Guan Yu at Yiling in 5, but now he dies alongside big G and may as well not exist as a character with the other Guan kids are around. Xingcai is underutilized as Liu Shan's second babysitter. Xu Shu is another Liu Bei glazer with one stage to his name. Zhou Cang is another Guan Yu glazer because his kids weren't enough. Ma Dai is cool but doesn't do enough to justify his slot. I can't even remember the others.

Do the alternate history paths of Origins battles share the ultimate rewards with the regular ones, or are they separate?

>>545824212
Shu needs Jian Yong. Being an incorrigible slob and accusing people of rape to get acquittals for moonshiners is exactly what Shu needs. And he makes a perfect bench-wielder, way better than Liu Shan. If they must glaze, then have him essentially play a bodhisattva or whatever, and show by example that even the worst can serve to enlighten others.

>>545832891
Bad wording. Are the challenge missions on Ultimate Warrior shared between both story paths?* Got a few things I want to grab piecemeal but can hold off if I'm just going to get them going down the alternate route anyway.

>>545836021
Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

>Distinct rewards
Xiapi Part 1 (Cao/Liu)
Chibi (Liu/Sun)

>Shared rewards
Xiapi Part 2 (AKA the Lu Bu boss fight) (Cao/Liu)
Baima and Yanjin (Cao/Liu)

Unless you mean hypotheticals, in which case, no. Although I reckon Cao's Chibi UW task is easier on the hypothetical route.

>>545843627
>I reckon Cao's Chibi UW task is easier on the hypothetical route
I thought that too but can hold up Zhou Yu, Ling Tong, Taishi Ci, and Han Dang when they show up on the left side while Cao Cao escapes in the normal route. In the hypothetical you have to defeat the large force

Simply put, I never lose.

>>545858607
Xiaoqiao is the real reason Koei had to remove the auto lock on, since in 3 you can get a full C6 into musou without aiming for a huge 20+ hit combo. And it could be started from C1 guard break, that's all it took to kill an officer from full health in Very Hard.

The Very Hard attempt is too insane. There again, I did read jap players consider it a gacha because you can only save everyone by sheer luck no matter how fast you are.
I switched to the 4th weapon with death element and I still can't kill fast enough.

Ok no I'm not doing this
PB so far is stopping the fire attack, but then I have 3 possible ally officers that can drop at same time(Zhao Yun and Wei Yan in the center, Ma Chao on bottom right)

>>545868615(me)