Dark and Darker/Dead and Deader thread

no patch ever again edition

All the copers are pretty much gone now right? The game is dead and never got a real update after entering early access in July. A basic bitch scam

>>1663184
The updates were already bare minimal but at least they came every week on average for balancing. Now they can't even do that

They lost part of the lawsuit which equates to millions of $, fired a 100 people they just recently hired, Nexon is still out for more money, SDF is probably going to jail, game pulled from Epic Games store and sounds like it may be deactivated for everyone on that platform.

They have been selling shit tons of cosmetics and probably partially paid by the Chinese RMTers. The most logical thing for them to do is pay off the lawsuit, close the game and run with the rest of the money because it sounds like Nexon will just keep sueing them in to oblivion.

>>1663184
I can't believe how Ironmace got retards to simp for them. Just portray yourselves in a David vs Goliath situation and white knights will suck your dick.

>>1663252
>fired a 100 people they just recently hired
they should have never hired 100 useless H1Bs to begin with. They shat out a mobile game and that was it. None of those employees were ever going to make the game better. Its clear this shit was planned to be abandoned after a steam launch

>>1663252
>fired a 100 people they just recently hired
lmao people actually still believe this shit?

>>1663004 (OP)
cuck and cucked

This podcast is really bad. For 45 minutes they have just been talking about the lawsuit, no new content! Sad!

100 workers could remake this entire asset swap scam from scratch in less than a month
All of you are retarded

scam and scammed

How many times is this now?

How did SDF even become a project lead at Nexon? He is literally insane

I've been on a break since the start of October, but started up again the last few days..Do people here even play this anymore?

>>1668614
I haven't played since august and only recently came back to check out the thread. How is the game now since you left?

>>1668929
Feels pretty much the same so far, but with a few minor QOL changes.
>Map rotation, and the time wasted waiting for it to change, is thankfully gone.
>You're able to jump deeper into the dungeon after about 2~ minutes into the match instead of 13~
>Module placement randomization + fog of war on the mini-map
>Crypts has a boss room now so it's not a filler floor between Ruins and Inferno
>removed bunny hopping's ability to negate move-speed penalty from switching weapons or casting spells
>sorcerer seems like a hyper-offensive wizard but idk how to play it effectively
>religion is still a fucking useless feature that shouldn't have had dev time dedicated to it

I like the continuous dungeon, and the randomized rooms+FoW helps make the game feel like a dungeon crawler again instead of ignoring 75% of the map and bum rushing hotspots/spawns. It kinda fucks with the quick escapes you could do on Ruins though. Like in this room for example: you could hop onto the chest, then jump over the wall into the eastern room without having to stop to open a door. Now though, that same wall was extended all the way to the map ceiling, forcing the player to open the door instead. I dunno, I'll play a while and see what the next wipe brings then maybe shelve it if I get bored again

>>1668966
The continuous dungeon is what worries me most. I havent played with it, but I heard people you kill can just instantly join back and rape you. Is this true?

>>1668974
Not sure, I haven't noticed it happen yet, but that doesn't mean it won't/hasn't. It's kinda thrilling to know that the dungeon is never truly safe now though.

>>1668974
It used to be like that in the last patch, but in HR at least it was fixed. Its still fucking retarded though, continuous dungeons are shit.

>>1669316
Im failing to really understand, whats the point of the continuous dungeon? Is there no time limit or circle any more? Not even in HR?

I can't farm gold ore in goblin cave normals anymore due to the recent changes, making it procedurally generated and fog of war. Does the cave troll even still exist? I've found and done cyclops a few times so far. Other than that I guess I can mine cobalt ore, x5 ingots are going for around 1k. But this patch has just given me burnout, I don't even want to play anymore, honestly.

How the fuck do I play this class

How is this game's melee combat? Is it like Mordhay/Chiv?

>>1670085
your standard unreal engine steam scam. Attack and run back, etc

Played wizard for a bit and he’s fun but Warlock really is still the way to go as a spellcaster especially with this recent patch. Granted for all the complaints I see about Druid noobstomping, I saw a fighter orc absolutely LACE the fuck out of them with daggers tonight.
>>1669791
He’s still there but you would have had to learn the map by now unfortunately. Fog of war is real and I find myself walking in circles or recognizing a mob pool and knowing to just avoid that whole portion of the map.
>>1670085
This game is gay and not Dark and Darker

>>1669838
Generally I reccommend using merging spells to help simplify your playstyle, at least for the first few dozens lvls so that you get used to the class. Frozen lightning is busted provided you can actually aim, same with the water/fire merged spell that hits 50. Remember to keep using windblast to push back enemies and provide that extra bit of damage.

>>1670085
Chivalry 1, a game from 2012, blows this shitty asset flip out of the water. Even the original Half Life 2 mod from 2007 that Chiv 1 was designed from had better combat.

>>1669838
Run around casting spells for 100 hours, thats how long it took me for it to click on wizard. Sorc is probably harder in that regard since you can have over a 14 spells/combos to be mindful of at any given time

>>1663004 (OP)
Is this game still riddled with cheaters? I just wana live as a rogue rat

>>1674560
I dont think anyone even plays this game anymore dude

>>1674560
>Is this game still riddled with cheaters
Even worse as the population drops.
RMT is too valuable

played the mobile version more fun indeed

>>1663004 (OP)
I know about this game from Andrew Wiltse. Is it any good, is it fun? What other games is it similar to? Do you need friends?

>>1680469
It's kind of like a dungeons and dragons inspired Tarkov or Hunt Showdown. It can be janky and a little frustrating at the start but it's fun once you get used to everything. You can play solo, but the game is balanced around trios and is more fun with a buddy or two

>>1672218
>Remember to keep using windblast to push back enemies and provide that extra bit of damage.
That would be great if Iron Will barbarians weren't constantly running down my asshole lmao. Half the time it seems I miss the windblast even if the enemy is right on top of me. I'm having a hard time getting run down in general since I'm using Apex Sorcery/Time Distortion and have to stop to cast. Not using it makes casting times too slow and my spells feel too weak to even be effective

>>1674253
I was doing ok as wizard, but that's because I have had the benefit of playing it off and on over the last two years. All these new spells and merges are hard to keep track of and what synergizes and combos well with each other. I'm starting to get a little better, but not much

the randomized map gen at least breathed some relief into the game again. Static maps were absolute cancer with rushing fags deleting newbies who just got used to the controls

when the game used to have green HP bar in the middle rather than the diablo copy, it was good.

https://litter.catbox.moe/2gi5v6.mp4

devs ruined the game, players ruined the game.

>>1680469
Don't play this game unless you have 2 real life friends to play with in Discord.

Do you see all the trannys in here crying about how this game hurt their emotions? That will be you if you decide to play this game solo. Consider it the beginning of your transition.

>>1681661
it was never really a good game, just something fresh and new
unironically would've been better served as a slow-paced actually hardcore PvE Vermintide-like, instead of whatever this is supposed to be

>>1681794
I'll stick to Rimworld and ARMA, thanks.

Druid is the best class because you can just (literally) chicken away from PVP sweats. And if they insist on following you can aggro the whole map and force them to fight an army.

Anyone US west want to play together?

>>1681864
Maybe maybe anon.
That said I still do seriously miss the vibes it had in pre release 1 and 2.
You saying it'd be better served as a slow-paced hardcore PvE made me think, this game suffers from the same issue Marauders does...devs trying to do two things at once.
Pick a side, be hardcore or be arcadey, can't have both. I think that's what really tickled the spot for me when it first appeared, it was arcadey & investment in 1 life wasn't that intense...
Now it feels like all the fun is minmaxed out the game

>>1663004 (OP)
is this game pve only yet, or is it still doomed to fail?

>>1684023
here u go, king
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/69993
make it the game of your dreams

>>1684370
Funnily enough this is exactly what me and my friend who played dad since pt3 ended up doing lol (+requiem). We call those big red dungeon reward chests lion's heads.
Sucks that dad had to be sacrificed on the altar of appeasing streamers but oh well. Maybe chroma will be good.

>>1682746
Anyone...?

Wow. I remember playing this with /v/ and /vg/ like 2 years ago. The game was at its best at playest 2-3 and started going downhill with the addition of the goblin caves. The biggest mistake they made was catering to shitters that dont want to pvp. I remember me and /vg/ anons absolutely raping people in lobbies. Just going around fucking smashing everyone. We didnt win much but it was fun as fuck. The game has sucked for a long time now.

>>1685776
>mistake they made was catering to shitters that dont want to pvp
>anons absolutely raping people in lobbies
Do you really fail to see the connection?

Have not played in over a month, I hate the randomized maps especially goblin caves. Wiz seems decent at least in the 124-224HR bracket especially with that new MR change, at gear levels beyond that everyone else will scale way harder so don't bother at least with solos.

Still can't motivate myself to grind out demigod again even though I know its free this season since you cant lose AP.

>>1685746
I play west but I'm tired of the Chinese teaming, and I can feel the latency if I play East.

I boggles my mind there are still PvE dumbfucks.
The game has the worst combat and "exploration" imaginable it was never going to be a PvE experience.

>>1685776
>/v/ and /vg/
you should go back there and stay there this time ahahaha

>>1682746
I normally play on US East, but I'm up to play on West. My in game name is Gopherk

>>1685860
>>1687520
I'll add you both when I am free to play some games. You guys are okay if I am kinda new to the game?

The longsword is such a crutch. I shouldn't have won this

>>1687524
Yeah, that's fine. We all have to start somewhere, and I'm still bad despite playing for so long

>>1688535
spell casters suck so much fucking dick
you literally would've done better by just int'ing him with the sword
fuck this game

>>1684023
they're actually adding a pve mode

>>1688535
>>1687520
whats your account names? the ones I tried adding didnt work

>>1691588
Gopherk is my account name. If you're still unable to find it, give me yours and I can try adding you instead

>>1670085
Kind of. Weapon attack directions matter, and all hit boxes are 100 accurate... or try to be, anyhow. Shields and parrying for example need to physically collide with the blade.

>>1693519
Wizad

>>1694075
Checked and you're on my friend's list. I'm usually on later in the evening, but am down to play whenever

>>1694649
Oh didnt know that. just let me know whenever you're around and up to play

>>1694672
I'm getting on now for a while if you'd like to play

>>1695367
I live in the dungeons, accept your friend requests
Basically my life is an anime where I'm an anime character and then I play a game but I'm inside the game, that's me and this game, but in real life.

I think I just suck at casters and should stick to martial classes instead

PvE mode soon
Epic loot
Cannot fucking wait to simply quest with my bros

>>1707006
pve only would be too boring. the mobs arent much of a threat outside of bosses plus with the magic resist change you just oneshot every mob even the black ones. game is already has a lot of comfy pve with the bros as is.

>PvE mode soon
>Epic loot
>Cannot fucking wait to simply quest with my bros

what slops do you consume while adventuring in the dungeons?
>>1707983
>i hate people having fun in a mode i don't have to play

What class / playstyle has the best chance of doing well in the broadest number of situations / matchups? Solo duo and trio. I just to autismo play the same class for 1000 hours and I want to pick the most broadly useful one. Doesn't have to be op at anything, just has a fighting chance in the most situations.

>>1710254
Solo is Druid, you can escape just about any situation and win 1v1s against most classes but your APM has to be high and have low latency to form dance effectively.

Duo is probably ranger but probably tied with druid, duos seem to be ambush heavy and the footstep thing helps a lot.

Trio is Wizard or Sorc, have not played with Sorc to much since the buffs but wizard has the burst to kill heal comps as long as you can land spells, also lightning strike is amazing when your team and the enemy team is in a crowded corridor since it hits past your frontline

the most boring class. the only viable build is cop+pos. kiting is so boring. I want more dark spells spells. miasma spell. necromancy spell. anything but kiting with dot that takes forever.

>>1712640
Ya, once you understand warlocks weakness they are easily one of the most counterable classes. Problem is they can't make them to bursty when things like phantomize exist. Maybe give them the druid treatment, can't use certain perks/abilities in exchange for more bursty/unique spells.

What did they mean by this?

Any one else ready for wype hype AT 11AM PST? Then the inevitable 12 extra hour downtime for *patching* 2 hours of play then 10 more hours of downtime to fix "critical issues"

Why is fighter so comfy

>>1716591
Because you can make use of just about any gear while other classes are fucked until market opens

>>1707983
>PvE mode
is this officially the end of the game?

>>1717094
the loot is nerfed in it and u don't have to play it if u don't want to, but there's no more 0-24 gear score lobbies, 0-124 is the new bracket for normal

I think pve might make me try this game again (dropped basically after demigod cape wipe)
for some reason I assumed pve mode would only be your team, I didn't think it'd be the entire lobby.

>>1717416
pve mode sucks. slow to loot kills so swarms of people just run room to run and just last hit the shit you're fighting and then take the loot. it's fucking unbearable, why did they make the lobbies so full?

>>1717437
you're probably not bis'ed up then, having made literally rank 1 solos on the test servers I can say you need to really optimize the game differently when not fighting other players.

Is pve mode out yet? I just want to fuck around with that now since I can't farm gold ore in normal goblin caves anymore. I haven't even opened the launcher up in at least a few weeks.
feelsbadman.jpg

>>1717437
Its perfect, it makes new players want to kill others. Noticed more of them in regular in my attempts at frost pelts.

I have 0 drops so far and multiple regular pelts

>>1675324
>RMT is too valuable
Picrel sums up the game.

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Are you guys ready for the P2W era?

>>1718439
Other than the bags its all trash

>>1718439
>Are you guys ready for the P2W era?
Honestly? Based.
I'd milk these retards for everything they've got.

>>1718439
>buy DLC
>deletes all of your stuff in yellow star stash tab
P2W? More like P2L. At least it's not Nexon right?

>>1718439
This is the update? Has the game improved at all in the last year?
Im under the impression its been abandoned

>>1707967
I disagree, the game needs some mindless comfiness. I liked it before but it’s way better now that they made accommodations for people that don’t want to be burdened by other players. By the way you can still do funny shit like lock players in with the cave troll and swipe someone’s crap that they’re looting
>>1707983
lol
>>1718439
Fuck yes. gilded era starts NOW

>>1718901
The game is an lot easier than it used to be which is what it needed. The diehard tryhard player base was screaming for nerfs on Druid for at least half a year, they still don’t have it, but IM has been working on balancing other things and bringing more players into DaD so now they have pve mode where you can genuinely relax and grind up to epic loot by yourself

>>1718999
I dont understand how thats going to bring more players in? Why would anyone play this asset swap for the PvE when so many other games exist? This sounds like its going to ruin the entire point of the game, make lobbies dead, and force devs to split up balance

>>1707983
PvE chads always win.

Haven't launched game since last year
Do i need legendary status for pve with bros?

>>1719824
Nope, it's for everyone.

Can you finish all the quests in PVE mode?

They nerfed two handed weapon damage ; _ ;

>>1720694
So far, yeah. Previous seasons had "kill player" quests, so probably not those if they pop up

>>1718439
it has never been more over than it is right now

look, things are not so good now
but you could try playing mistfall for free, it ain't great but it's somethin...

>>1663004 (OP)
THERE THE FUCK YOU ARE. I tried searching you on /vrpg/ and /vg/ and thought yall finna didn't play, deadass.

Glad I looked on /vm/. Who yall runnin?????

>>1718439
>Are you guys ready for the P2W era?
How is it pay to win? It doesn't seem like it to me.
>>1721285
>it has never been more over than it is right now
Seems like a waste if you already have Legendary status.

On thursday launcher wouldn't work. On friday you got into the lobby but joining a game was impossible. Today I can get into the dungeon but everything feels like I'm playing on Australian (I'm Euro) servers or some shit. Maybe on monday everything works normally.

Oh hey, we're back!

Nigg and nigger.

>>1724617
I have been playing since second playtest and I exclusively play wizard

I think PvE, or the idea at least is a great addition. But now that looting and gaining gold is so fucking easy now, it's going to cheapen the economy in the marketplace. Adventure mode needs to be removed

>>1726319
lel you're so lost. They added that as their last big update so you can play their asset swap when they shut off the servers

>>1726703
You really think so? I'd like to hear

>>1726319
Economy is doing fine, all the expensive shit is just as expensive. It was near effortless to get gold from the dungeon before pve mode

>Take a week off after druid nerf
>Come back, turns out the nerf made them stronger
See you all when monkey comes out

i have 750 hours all solo
i continue to play this game because i like assassinating and trolling people, especially in solo-q duos or trios.
hr is ok but mostly just frustrating, so i play 124 caves every wipe til its not fun to me, take a break for a few months then i come back the next wipe to see their parameter-changing and way-too-experimental-yet-not-progressive patches.
im still playing daily but i think i use it to burn myself out on video games. no trade post made me realize thats how i wish it was perma; i hated this gameloop as soon as i could be legendary anythings this wipe.

>>1739505
buy* not be
>>1726319
i think its lame people get all their quests done there. but farming gold was made easy when they made extracting easier with static exits, not pve mode tbf

>>1724620
It's worse than p2w
They deliberately keep the economy in a fucked state so they can sell bags and storage as a service to the noobs
Yes I know 5 bags are irrelevant and bags are irrelevant in general since you don't need to do person to person trade for anything below artifacts, but it's still a very scummy way of milking casual players who has already bought the game

>>1739940
>It's worse than p2w
>Yes I know 5 bags are irrelevant

Hysterical faggot is hysterical.

Have you tried cutting your dick off on Reddit with the other trannies?

>>1741030
No, im not like tou

Are they still expensive

>>1742565
no not really
they are a common drop now and last time I checked they were like 30 coins
don't craft them though, crafting is more expensive now than buying off market

does cockatrice feather even drop in pve mode?

>>1685854
Theyll never learn and this is a good thing, every pvp shitter will continue to flop for our benefit

>>1685776
>me and /vg/ anons absolutely raping people in lobbies
>We didnt win much
are you alright anon?

are people seriously still playing this game

>>1750172
yeah, it's fun

>>1750670
what's the average online playercount

>>1751081
5k dungeon, 5k menu, 320 queues total

>hear they made a pve mode
>give it a try
>it's still multiparty rather than just your party alone
>the meta is killstealing so you get first loot rights
>just another form of pvp overall
what's the fuckin' POINT

>>1753686
wait till you get to ice cavern and the game spawns more players than exits

>>1663004 (OP)
removing the circles ruined this game.

>>1685776
thiis

I am the most middle of the road player doomed to forever have a 0-0 k/d w/l ratio.

I just reinstalled after quitting for a while and what the fuck happened to solos? That's the only thing I enjoyed in this game the fuck.

>>1769825
>everyone complains about druid in solos
>hmm should we fixed druid?
>nah, just delete solo queue
lol lmao
Gotta find some friends, play with randos, or go in 1v3 now. I mostly play solo, but I'm fine with its removal. The game gets really boring playing by yourself imo, and a majority of the solo players seem to want DaD to only be solo queue.

>>1769825
>>1770270
Even though solo queue was my favorite mode, it never should've been in the game. Balance has always been dogshit across all modes, but it was more balanced for trios.
Regardless, the game was destined to fail, for the same reason every MMO with PvP fails. Too many moving parts, classes outperforming others and favoritism, meta compositions that cover all the necessary/important bases, statistical/gear disparity, teammates who are morons, chink gold farmers, etc.

>>1769825
They had 300 different queues in the game if you count brackets and locations so they culled a bunch

friendless solo fags SEETHING, game sucks in solo since only 3-4 classes are viable.

I still the think the solution was back in v69 where they normalized all base stats.
The biggest issue this game has is the terrible disparity in gear stats. that was about 50% of the way to fixing the worst aspect of the game.
the next step wouldve been to balance and improve the value of rarities thru better added item bonuses (this is where the +all could work, but more importantly, the bonus rarity rolls shouldve been more mechanical than just more raw stats).
the idea of gems/runes wouldve been a nice addition too, something akin to ARPG shit, or you have those gems be crafted, idk.
The point is that the raw stat disparity is lazy, low iq and boring and really fucking gay.

the carebears hiding behind their massive stat pool acting like they are great at pvp is just annoying

Artifact weapon effects should be on purple + weapons randomly instead of being hidden by afk solo HR boss farming

Solo/duo being removed in HR it's JOEVER for SSF bluds
>>1772220
The "hardcore" rats that play this game will forever bully SDF into having a gear gap game

anyone here been trying the mobile game?

I just downloaded it last night and was wondering if anyone wants to play

>>1772668
complete garbage

>>1718439
this is such an asset flip, they don't design ANYTHING. its puppeteering other people's work then making profit off microtransactions

>>1772601
>The "hardcore" rats that play this game will forever bully SDF into having a gear gap game
The Gear Gollums absolutely ruin this game with their incessant defense of gear disparity. They're not real pvp'ers.

I can't wait for the YouTube videos talking about the fall of this game. Niccas went from eating SDF's shit to mass rioting and openly hating him

lmaoing at the test server. This game is never going to improve ; _ ;

so im guessing this is a bad time to start playing this game?

>>1775563
The game is in an ok spot right now, but doomers are gonna doom post

>>1775563
play it, if it's fun, keep playin, if it's not fun, stop playing. if any update comes out that look cool, try again and stop when its not fun.

>>1775563
it's dogshit

I love the drum :)

new player, what weapons/spells/perks do I want on warlock?

Haven't played the game since august.
Can someone explain to me the new system?
Is high roller the only real mode now?
I seem to be joining dungeons that are already looted, how does this work?

>>1772220
I think the fix is to normalize gear stats (a knife is a knife irl) so stats should be flat.
then make random modifiers and special legendary items provide PVE specific bonuses
that way the PVE is the "end game" and the PVP is the struggle and challenge you fight thru.

>>1776320
i think that's a good idea 2bh
the most frustrating part of extraction shooters is pvp with a big gear discrepancy

>>1776320
Koreans are incapable of such thinking, for them all games are about grind

Lmao, got banned from the discord for telling someone to "Keep Yourself Safe" Smh my head, can't even wish for the heath and safety of others in the community. Mods really are fags no matter where you go.

>>1776911
based mod

>>1772220
Gear is pretty cheap the biggest thing they should have avoided was putting +all back in. Before I was selling 10k+ kits on my 1k rogue simply because I avoided health rolls which massively inflated gear on the market. The biggest thing was true damage and you could just get it on blue gear and be competitive with legendary gear players. But people are retarded and rather take in a unique rat pendent with shit roles than a blue/purple with decent rolls/gems.

What killed the game for me is when they made it free on Epic for a day. The hacker pop went up 10 fold because they made 100s if accounts for free just to hack/rmt with.

>>1772220
Who cares. Game is dead.

Adding the circle back in HR is ridiculous.
I genuinely hope the kink goes to jail

remove movement speed as a stat

>>1778732
>remove movement speed as a stat
YES how this is still a fucking thing is beyond me.
normalize movement speed and limit it to buffs.

Balance classes based on their abilities. I've worn full plate irl, you really dont lose speed (fatigue is a different story tho, 50 extra lbs does wear on you).
So maybe full plate loses stamina faster, vs moves slower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc

Literally just dont let movespeed be a thing
idk, whatever was decided, it just needs to be that movespeed isnt a fucking stat you have to build for.

I fucking KNEW some of these content creators were being sponsored by IronMace without disclosing it.

>>1780215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHdCc9W_cM

So fucking glad i never gave this criminal thief a single dollar.
If you bought the Legendary status on Steam, the game is still in Earl Access, which means Valve will refund your purchase no matter the time you've spent in the game.
It's a little known change Valve made a couple years back because so many devs were abusing the Early Access status to draw out development and because of how many went full vaporware.
Valve (quietly) made it so that as long as a game was in early access, they'd refund you no matter your play time. If the automated bot wont refund you, ask support direcvtly for a full refund and note the "Mostly Negative" rating and you will absolutely get a refund.
Just be polite, state your reasons and if they push back, offer to accept a steam credit as a refund.
But in my experience with other early access titles, the refund comes very easily with zero effort. And if they try to ban you from playing for free, report them to Steam, because thats a violation of Steam's developer agreements.

DO NOT ASSUME YOU CANT GET A REFUND.
AT LEAST TRY. ITS YOUR MONEY, AND IN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY YOUD GET A REFUND OR COULD EASILY FILE FOR A CHARGEBACK WITH NO DIFFICULTY.

As an aside, this applies to not just this game/games in general. Do this shit in everything in your life. Some company fucks you, request a chargeback from your credit card, or push for a refund.
You hit their wallet and youll see them shape up or go out of business.

SDF couldn't extract from Nexon's dungeon...

>>1780242
legendary status is not a game, I don't think it's refundable at all

>>1780469
Hi sdf.

>>1780215
>>1780242
everyone knows this
you're a fucking moron
i have zero sympathy

the writing was on the wall years ago but you retards kept supporting them in order to acquire shitty FOMO jpegs from grinding out hardcore like the braindead cuckslaves you are

I think at this point they are purposely trying to kill the game, get as much money as you can while driving players away, then when the player count drops under 1000 make some BS reason to pull the plug. Then use your credentials to go work for a mobile games company or beg Nexon to drop the lawsuit if you go back to work for them.

They are doing a 180 on everything since they lost part of the lawsuit so it screams to me they are abandoning ship.

Halberd or Longsword to go with my Crystal Sword on Warlock? My usual go-to is Longsword and Spellbook, but I happen to have a +3 Magical Healing Crystal Sword I want to goof around with

>>1663004 (OP)
>>1663252
Hold on, I haven't checked in on this game in like 8-10 months. Nexon successfully sued them? So they actually stole Nexon code? Is there like a qrd of the last 6 months?

>>1783017
QRD
>Nexon won part of the lawsuit
>Ironmace has to pay 6 million $
>Nexon plans to appeal for more
>Ironmace releases more micro transactions, the most pay to win ones since which is a pack that gives you things like 5 gold coin bags and more trade slots
>SDF went full retard and is implementing things that have been massively unpopular in the past like no solos in normals
>Plan to remove solos from next season HR
>Test server has shit like gear with no random modifiers again, people complained and they added one random modifier back so you have shit like unique gear with 1 modifier

The part of the nexon lawsuit that was won is the trade secret infringement thing. Which is essentially since they worked for Nexon in the past they were not supposed to make games for however many years, this is surprising to me because SK is notoriously pro big company and no copy right infringement found means to me that they probably built the game from ground up (or at least memorized the unity store assets they bought)

Game is also dying faster, mainly because of the removal of solos since thats most of the playerbase.

>>1783166
>Game is also dying faster, mainly because of the removal of solos
You fucking casuals are so fucking retarded.
The game didnt get solos and duos until not very long ago, the game was more favored when it didnt have either. Its seriously insane the amount of lies someone will tell the community to pretend not to see the problem.

>Game has early tests
>Game gains core audience
>Game releases as a buy2play game
>Developers want to monetize more
>To do so game releases free2claim on epic store
>Suddenly the userbase wants the exact opposite of what they've wanted continuously since launch
>Cater to the new free2players who want the core game changed to fit their criteria
>Remove PVP, add easy babymode, make everyone have 10,000 hp so you cant die anymore and raise TTK by 30x
The developers *potentially* with the last update post in their discord have learned their lesson FAR FASTER than a hundred other companies that have let their games die trying to chase the free2play whales.

>no random modifiers again, people complained
"People" didnt complain. Youtubers complained about not having crazy high modifiers because without a huge gear difference it becomes harder for them to get youtube clips. When you get donated gear as a streamer you absolutely crush anyone in average gear. Thus creating tons of easy youtube videos for the streamers. Patch 69 was great, it was streamers who whined until it reverted.

>>1783196
what is blud waffling about? The problem is that the devs are the players' used cumrags bending over for them and AT THE SAME TIME trying to selfishly implement what they want

>>1783196
It's very clear you're a tourist talking out their ass about things they know nothing of.

>>1783339
>>1783393
>PVE (weenie hut jrs) and Solo (antisocial aspie) fags complaining about having to play PvP trios (the way the game is meant to be played)

new update bros...haha

>>1783393
>Blacksmith launcher
Debunked. Take a hike, KIKE!
Back to dark and darker mobile. Play pve there casual

>>1783166
>they probably built the game from ground up (or at least memorized the unity store assets they bought)
this was their main defense all along, I don't think they were lying about it
it's not like there was much value in the code anyway, they probably did a shitty job at 1st try and would be better off rewriting it with the experience they had (which nexon paid for lol) anyway
it's probably very hard to copyright a genre so I'm not surprised nexon couldn't win completely in court
>>1783196
are we really going to pretend that the game ever got the same numbers it had before it went pay2play?
are we really going to pretend the game is free2play when you only have access to one character, no trading and demo lobbies only?
you can't cater to free2players when your game isn't free2play, even saying that I feel like my iq goes down.

Arc raiders soon chat

>>1783479
>(the way the game is meant to be played)
You're right, that is the way the game is meant to be played (according to the devs). But it's also the way only ~30% of the playerbase wants to play the game (according to the devs). A while back they released some stats, and ~70% of the playerbase played mostly/only solos. The problem is that Ironmace doesn't want to make a game that caters to solos, but the game only got as big as it did because of solo players. They have an audience they don't want but they now need because said audience is paying the bills and keeping the lights on. The game in its "original vision" should never have gotten this big. It would've petered out when only the metaslaves remained.

The game will never be successful because the people making the game genuinely have no idea what they're doing. Like, on a technical level. They're incapable of implementing the ideas they want to implement, and many of those ideas aren't actually any good. They accidentally stumbled into a successful game, but are too stubborn to change course to chase this success. This would be a point of pride if they actually had competent devs, but alas, they don't. They have a vision of a "perfect game" in their minds, but because they lack the talent to manifest their ideas, they're incapable of actually playing the damn thing and seeing the flaws their minds missed. Every game is perfect until it's made, and only then can you see what's wrong with it.


This isn't a small team trying to pursue their pure artistic vision, this is a bunch of idiots drowning in a kiddy pool.

only brownoid niggers and gold farming chinks still play this slop

>>1785367
They should just keep solos in and not address balance problems (if druid is strong in solos but meh in trios, just let the solo players mald) if its too much developer effort
But what they absolutely need is more social functions, guilds, etc. so people can find players to do trios with and not have to go with a bunch of randoms
It's a ballache having to 1v3 but having two "teammates" that I'm actively competing for loot with is worse

>>1784659
>are we really going to pretend that the game ever got the same numbers it had before it went pay2play?
You're comparing apples and oranges, you're NEVER in ANY game going to beat your playercount at launch. It wasnt long after launch that the game went paid, and then you're comparing that to a free launch? Thats disingenuous of an argument and you know that.
>are we really going to pretend the game is free2play when you only have access to one character, no trading and demo lobbies only?
Legendary Status was free2claim on epic. THE FULL GAME IS FREE. You disingenuous kike you know your arguments arent sound faggot.

You have to lie because you know your wrong. You cant lie about something that can easily be proven false dipshit. Go play mobile you pve faggot baby

>>1785367
>But it's also the way only ~30% of the playerbase wants to play the game
The 30% who bought the game on launch, its core audience, who didnt get the game for free

Are you two the same fucking person? You're both making very disingenuous points that are factually untrue. No. Ironmace should not cater to the free2play casuals who got the game for free, played it for a week and then moved on to other games, thats not just stupid thats borderline mentally retarded. Im not reading the rest of your post.

>>1785920
Stupid fags talking about player count should look at DayZ player count over its entire life.

>game is free
>still dead
maybe it just fucking sucks

>>1785920
IM is BEYOND COOKED if this is one of their high level employees doing damage control on 4chan instead of working on the game

>>1786244
FR FR THEY COOKED BRUH 420 BLAZE IT FELLOW ZOOMER NIGGER FRFR ONGOD NO CAP BING BONG BACK TO LE.DDIT WE GO TO PLAY PVE

>>1785920
>The 30% who bought the game on launch
Incorrect. Of the people who bought it, 70% are "mostly" solo players, the rest are duos and trios.
>>1785832
I agree 100% with this. Solos isn't the focus, so they shouldn't care if it's a clusterfuck. But again, most of their paying customers are solo players, so they're forced to cater to them unless they want the lights to go off.

anyone have a spare epic games account they want to give away (the full epic games version they gave out months ago)

>>1785832
Reminds me of the Dead by Daylight problem early on, the devs said survive with friends with 4 pre made survivors against 1 killer would be to powerful since they can coordinate and do unfun stratagys. Well, most people wanted to play with their friends and the game was slowly dying until they put it in. They changed their vision of the game, balance be dammed because it would have died otherwise. Now they have a product that generates money with all the killers and cosmetics they add in.

Asian game companies seem to be autistic about this and make bad design choices because its "supposed to be that way." SDF seems to take this to the extreme.

1 year anniversary of steam release

and look at that

goofy

Ahem, fuck druids
https://files.catbox.moe/2zi202.mp4

>>1788312
rip, ded game

>>1785920
you're a fucking moron if you think anyone will buy your "we are catering to non-paying customers by adding tons of paid shit and cutting down game modes" bullshit

how long does the goblin retrieval service keep items in the store, is it by time or by x amount of games and it gets deleted

>>1788705
there literally is a timer on every single item
it's 1 hour iirc

>>1788312
Fully converted to gacha mobile trash for thirdies.

>>1788912
>made by the same people who made the dnd mobile game
at least their trailer was actually kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8jNKwIUnA

wtf they even have an anime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUOfPtRXPYc

>>1788912
I don't get it, is abyss of dungeons them renaming the dnd mobile game? or is it an omega clone

>>1785920
>The 30% who bought the game on launch, its core audience, who didnt get the game for free
this is where your money went >>1788918 >>1788922

>>1787426
>Of the people who bought it, 70% are "mostly" solo players, the rest are duos and trios.
Im a solo player. When the game came out you could only play 1vs3's. It was funner. The vast majority of players across EVERY game are solo and dont play with friends. The game is better without solos and duos. I cant even 1vs1 anymore (I dont use barb or longsword) and balance is shit. Back in the day I could 1vs3 enemies WITH THE SPEAR

>>1788949
The mobile game has no association with Ironmace. They sold the rights completely because the mobile developers were afraid of the lawsuit. DYOR before making baseless claims.

>>1788520
>fuck druids
>The youtubers told me what to think
They arent even a meta class.

I think the issue was and remains that they cater to their streamers over everything else.
The fact that have come out about how IM acts and the kinds of unethical shit they pulled are pretty damning, and it is hard to not believe it given sdf has been proven in court to have literally stolen code and assets.
This guy is a slant eyed nigger and he had the audacity to play like the victim.

Beyond all of this, the game isn't designed to allow for a lot of outplay, and any attempts to minimize the gear disparity is then met with seething and gnashing of teeth by the community egged on by the streamers who rely on that gap to get good clips.

I actually think the gear gap could be minimized if they actually just complicated the combat a little:
Give all weapons a stab, overhead and side to side attack.
Give a kick/shield bash to break blocks
Give all weapons the ability to block or parry (riposte can even stay specific to some weapons)
This isn't a lot of complication either, not suggesting chivalry or mordhau, just some kind of room for outplay beyond gearing.
Dungeonborne was a blatant asset flip, but to their credit, several of the classes had genuine space for skill expression, and in many instances, I'd go in with trash and could actually outplay someone geared higher than me.
Also really respected the arena mode had gear for you to pick up and equip before a match for even stats, so it was a great way to practice

>>1789024
Found the druidnigger. It was a team of three spamming dreamfire and shape shifting all over the place. Fuck them and fuck you. Warlocks are still the worst class in the game anyway

>>1789259
>I actually think the gear gap could be minimized if they actually just complicated the combat a little:
>Give all weapons a stab, overhead and side to side attack.
>Give a kick/shield bash to break blocks
>Give all weapons the ability to block or parry (riposte can even stay specific to some weapons)
These are additions I'd love to see to the game. Unfortunately I think all of this is too complicated for IronMace to implement. Hell, they recently added the ability to block with the crystal sword and magic staff, but you have to gimp yourself by omitting a spell slot to use them. There's barely any upsides to doing that so it's practically useless

>>1789021
>The mobile game has no association with Ironmace.
Not until recently. Ironmace took a percentage of the money from DnD sales, invested it into a mobile game that never materialized for them, and then sold out. Which means a significant chunk of their previous revenue - money that could've been spent on developers fixing the core game - was effectively frozen for the last year or more.
>They sold the rights completely because the mobile developers were afraid of the lawsuit.
Literally means nothing. A stolen bracelet doesn't stop being stolen after you pawn it off. If it mattered, Nexon would chase down Krafton too regardless. The more likely case is that Ironmace sold it because they're broke and have a sketchy reputation which could result in failure to launch. Frankly, with how poor Ironmace's reputation is, I wouldn't be surprised if Krafton put their nuts in a vice and completely lowballed them on the offer. For all we know, Ironmace could've lost money in this endeavor.

In any case, DnD continues to decline. It doesn't really matter what the best course for the game is because that ship sailed long ago. Now is the time to sink.

>>1789021
>the game is better without solos/duos
you are one opinion amongst way more that say otherwise. game is old news now

somewhat useless but if you sit down in front of kobold archers they can't hit you

>>1789021
>When the game came out you could only play 1vs3
That's because when the game came out, nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. An inevitable problem with their 1v2v3 setup was always going to be "what happens when the players get good at the game?" Well, the answer is solo players get absolutely fucked by trios. This is completely fair. But most people won't want to play if they have little to no hope of winning, so they'll leave. If enough players leave, all that's left are the sweaty trios fighting each other. But even among the sweats, you have good trios and bad trios, and slowly but surely the worst trios will drop the game too. Now the second worst trio is the worst trio, and then they can't win anymore so they drop the game. Then the third worst becomes the worst and they can't win, etc.

I think it's telling that the game was the most fun when no one knew what was going on. They should've leaned into that more. Don't try to make the game hyper balanced, just make it reasonably balanced. But because the game is ultimately about collecting wealth instead of fucking around in a dungeon, anything that hurts the stability of the wealth collection is seen as a negative. I guarantee you if they made a generic battle royale mode where everyone started with grey gear, it would've immediately become the most popular mode.

The sad truth is the amount of players that want a pure extraction experience simply isn't large enough to sustain this game. You'd need a developer that actually knows what they're doing, puts out regular updates, holds regular contests/events, etc. Given their limited staff and budget, they should've just made the switch to a last man standing mode if they wanted to make money. Or let people host their own servers, so players could either play in a classic extraction server or just a simple battle royale server.

Game is so fucking dull that it's more fun to troll the discord than actually play

>>1790340
My opinion is one of the founding players. It was undeniably a MUCH better game during the playtests before solos and duos were added. It was in your best interest to creep around the map and not sprint, because running into a group of 3 meant almost certain death, unless you snuck up behind them without being noticed. (And back then it was possible to 1vs3 if you were skilled)

>>1794177
being there at the beginning doesn't necessarily warrant like it comes on-high..

you literally just don't like solo/duo and there are people who do... enough that the overwhelming majority of recent reviews are now negative because that was removed. I don't see why you think "I was here before they introduced the modes I don't play, I like the modes I played better." is an actual opinion worth any weight

https://www.youtube.com/@sdf.eeetree/videos
https://youtu.be/hru3vmCHoZ8?si=YpJNIIzchlvvrnj3&t=112

Bro SDF should've just made bootleg games in China. His youtube is full of games he copied.

>>1794177
>It was in your best interest to creep around the map and not sprint, because running into a group of 3 meant almost certain death
false
not only is crouchwalking through the map at a snails pace and picking up scraps is not good gameplay, i don't think anyone but the most overcautious retards played like that
it was far more lucrative to go loud, speedrun through rooms, and have an escape route laid out if a group stumbled into your area
worst case you could always just dip back into the circle because of how dirt-cheap healing items were to offset the damage, and how annoying it was for an entire team to try and scramble through the swarm chasing after one person who may not even have good loot
>back then it was possible to 1vs3 if the enemy team was dogshit retarded
ftfy

tldr you're talking out your ass

>>1791971
>I think it's telling that the game was the most fun when no one knew what was going on
This is nearly all games these days.
Players ruin the fun by hyper optimizing the games and then everyone leaves except the autistic sweats who are trying to be the next big streamer..
Unless the company uses manipulative or artificial systems to keep players paying and playing, its a rare game these days that can exist on its own merits without faggots obsessively breaking the game either thru glitching, cheating or just whining in forums to protect their preferred method of play
>for Dark and Darker its protecting gear checking
>for fps games its whining about anything that isnt specifically left clicking heads
And the worst part is that all if these people seem to come to the lesser popular games because they're all kinda shit at the top main game(s), so they're trying to be big fish in a little pond, be cause they couldn't cut it in the ocean of the big titles.

>>1794223
the soloniggers are the worst thing about this game and are perpetually whiny babies who just want this game to be WoW for some reason

>>1795518
>who just want this game to be WoW
this but unironically

>>1794774
>see game you like
>take assets and ideas from it
>paste it into your own engine in the weirdest way possible
Is this how Dark and Darker was made?

>>1796247
yes but the "idea" was a project in development at nexon and assets were imported from unity asset store

>>1794223
>>1794991
Whine all you want. Your not getting pve baby mode back
>Removal of PVE pussymode
>Removal of Solos and Duos
You are here
>Restoration of patch 69 and making armor way less effective across the board, especially in PVE
>Balancing of the longsword
>Banning of the youtubers
>Release of the new map
>Game is back on track

Sorry, PVP is here to stay. Find another game

>>1797100
>Find another game
that's exactly what's happening

Fuck talking about the game that shit is pic related. The real question is will people be blackpilled on Koreans? And why is Terrence just letting SDF do what he wants? Is SDF older than Terrence?

>>1797149
>Seasons 75% over
>4-6k players late at night
Completely average. Disingenuous argument 100%.

>>1797100
>you're not getting your pve baby mode back
there literally is a pve mode?

>>1797322
>late at night
third worlder detected
suddenly it all makes sense

>>1797322
>7 pm CST
>2600 players in dungeon
The game is done for

>>1800496
>>1797828
End of season, late at night. You both reiterated exactly what I just said. We're in agreement.

>>1804256
>7pm on a thursday
>late at night
Ok, retard

>>1663004 (OP)
>wassah wassah wassah wassah hold the linerss

>here's your new map oegugin

https://youtu.be/XYLmLsGFehQ?si=lJs2l5Kb78wYZ2cn&t=258
ROChads took matters into their own hands. Dark and Darker private servers when?

I've never seen a game kill itself so violently, been playing since the playtests. Making the game trios is such a fundamentally bad decision since its where fun goes to die with every faggot and their mother running a buffball build. Also them gutting the entire single feature of a season is comically hilarious.
That nigger trying to insist you can 1 v 3 is retarded, it worked in the playtest since no-one had any idea what they were doing. That doesn't apply anymore since everyone has at least 300+ hours if not more.

KWAB

>>1809160
They literally did everything wrong, Steam was their big chance but they did the weird f2p/demo advertisement that threw a bunch of people off. They should have done a free weekend or week to simulate the playtest days instead and this would have been enough alone for mainstream streamers to play the game again.

>>1810220
When the game launched for free on epic for that one day I noticed 10x the amount of Chinese hackers on the west coast server, this is what killed the game for me.

>>1810318
>Steam was their big chance
>did everything wrong
their big chance was P2, instead he did the wrong thing and stole the game idea for himself.

Team killing niggers get the rope

It's amazing how fast the devs killed their own game
>People like where the stats are last season
>SDF makes more RNG modifiers
>People agree stats are overtuned with +all, MS, and shit like +20 true damage builds
>SDF to remove all stats on gear again
>Stream about how IM was a nightmare to work with/for
>Jay does not say any thing negative, just mentions he never had a actual convo with Graysun
>Graysun sends schizo messages to Jay, chasing off their biggest streamer
>Dimo confirmed to be a cheater which everyone already knew but never banned
>People on discord complaining about being banned left and right

I am going to miss the combat system, casting spells in first person, dodging attacks by weaving my character model up or down. Every other game similar either plays like a moba or mobile hack n slash game.

>>1817986
The melee combat system was the only good thing about the game desu. I wish somebody copies it.

>>1791971
>That's because when the game came out, nobody knew what the fuck they were doing
Not true at all. It was balanced in a way where skill mattered and if you were good at the game you could outplay several people. Now they have babified the game.

>>1809160
>it worked in the playtest since no-one had any idea what they were doing
NPC argument keeps coming up. It had nothing to do with people "having no idea what they were doing". It was all about skill but then the devs babified the game for PVE babies like yourself.

>melee combat system
>good

Yeah. Every other melee game feels like shit now in comparison.

I'm gonna miss this game.

guy told me to kill him and this is how his inventory was arranged

Any one have good nostalgia stories?

>Guy in reg lobby ask me for help with Banshee
>Help him kill it with cleric
>A lone Sorc then bum rushes us
>I kill him with my cleric after he fails all longsword parries
>See name sparkysorc
>Look at his stream
>Bitching and moaning about teamers even though he was the aggressor

Good times

>>1826445
Dark and Darker is the best Game These days and i am the best Streamer on Twitch " MontanaDark88 " is the name you better at jrn

>>1827954
He gets really mad when you tell him to put away the handicap S tier longsword. Tell him he has thousands of hours into the game its time to stop relying on a handicap. He gets very frustrated very quickly.

>>1829537
>longsword
>s tier
Only time it's good is if you parry off mobs, if your decent you can always bypass the block. Like on cleric, look straight down with mace and swing, the hitbox will spawn in their character model

What are these retarded gooks doing? Squish the gear to stop gear checking only to lower the total health and increase damage, so everyone is still getting stat checked except now in base gear. They really are trying to kill their dwindling player base

Hope these stupid devs get kyoto animation'd

>>1830558
If you're still playing this you have stockholm syndrome. They've been told multiple times that +all and similar stats is bad for the game and they add it back in to even worse levels like a dementia patient.
A honest to god AI could write better balance changes. It would at least be consistent.
Doesnt matter anyway since 70% of players were solo/duo only, game is a month or two away from End of service.

>>1830587
Yeah, shit's retarded. I'm done with the game. Call me when a team of europeans or americans decide to rip it off. These korean cunts cant do anything

>>1830558
They tried to copy what Riot is doing, but forgot the fact they're not made up of sociopathic Californian capitalists

>>1830779
>only 1k hours
nobody will miss you retard

>>1833328
>No-one will miss yo-ACK!
End of service soon. Even if they reverted everything and added solos back, I don't think people would return.

>>1830168
>90% of the playerbase has primarily chosen weapon X for literal months
>The average person doesnt meta chase
U Wot M8?

>>1830168
>>1833733
It has nothing to do with the riposte and block. (Yes thats overpowered and unbalanced too) but the real problem is the damage, attackspeed, range, movement speed reduction, and sweetspot being the entire usable area

The reason everyone has a problem with the riposte is because thats the most common way you see multikills

>>1833733
I would agree if the longsword parry wasn't the jankiest shit of all time. A enemy could slash through the middle of your blade and you'd still not trigger the parry for some reason

>>1833733
sounds like Bardiche needs another nerf

>>1833733
Longsword was horribly balanced and a low skill floor weapon, yes someone could attack you 4 times in a row, you parry one hit and one tap them. But in situations like high MMR arena you never saw it, heater shield was king for fighters due to all the ranged damage. Even in solos every decent player knew how to bypass the parry.

It's why you can see ok players like Sparky clear lobbies with LS. Then die to a naked lizard barbarian who gets in his face or baits bad parries and he rages about for 5 min

>>1833733
At the end of this webm the barb just looks straight down when the warlock tries to parry. Longsword just gets worse with the more gear people have, at max ms you can hit the LS and strafe out before the riposte hits you because the range is so short.

>>1834157
>heater shield is better than longsword
>...but only when you're fighting in a giant open room with zero cover against a group of sweats trying to slowly chip you down with ranged over the course of an entire lunch break

>felling axe is better than longsword
>...but only when the janky ass hit detection lets players completely circumvent block/parry boxes by clipping directly into your head
based retard

Haven't played since last year, how's the game doing?

>>1836645
Damn I remember your posts from ages ago, huh.
Anyway the game is basically dead/end of service soon. They learned nothing after making bad changes on repeat to the extent of removing solos. Almost every fan has been alienated and moved on to better pastures.

>>1836645
SDF went off the deep end and removed random modifiers again. He acts like Kojima except with out any of the good ideas. Quivers delayed because the one guy dedicated to inventory quit, nevermind the fact they have 100 employees. His kitchen discord channel comes off as unhinged and streamers with access laugh at him on video until they get banned.

Graysun scared off their biggest streamer (Jay) by going schizo mode on him after he made a comment where he said he never had a actual conversation with Graysun.

Marketing guy and someone else came out saying IM was a nightmare to work with, basically everything boils down to what SDF says and people will reverse course weeks in to something just because in the moment SDF changed his mind. But this is just par for the course with asian work culture.

>In both northern and Jeju myths, a benevolent god is challenged by an usurper who claims rule over the human world.
>The two gods engage in three contests to decide who will rule. In both, the final challenge is a flower-growing contest, in which the god that grows the better flower will take charge of humanity. The benevolent god grows the (better) flower, but the usurper steals it while the other god sleeps. Having won this final contest, the usurper takes control of the world, but his unjust victory is the source of the evil and suffering of the present world.

>when you get so butt blasted that you ban "clown" in your own discord
Things are really looking up my dudes

>>1837584
It's been like that for months, the devs and their retarded discord jannies really can't take criticism. They also don't enjoy when you express that you'd like to see sdf strung up by his ankles like a certain italian dictator. It's "hate speech" or some shit

>>1834201
Well the longsword has the 3rd(?) best range in the game, if you allow the felling axe (Shortest range in the game, less than daggers) ontop of you, I would hope you would lose. Try moving backwards. Thats like claiming the longsword sucks because you died to an archer before you caught him.

>>1833785
You're doing it wrong, blocking has always been confusing and a skill you have to google, as its hard to figure out for yourself what you're doing wrong. I could tell you the solution as I know exactly what you're doing wrong with the blocking/riposte, but i dont want to encourage use of such a faggot weapon, Sorry

>>1834157
Again, the riposte isnt what makes the weapon the best melee in the game by far. Read >>1833740

>Pic vaguely related, Once human has horrible weapon balance since launch and the devs dont touch the most meta weapons

This game fucking blows and I like the idea of the creator overhauling all his retarded ideas.
Solos should not be abandoned though, that is the most fun to be had in a battle royale type game

why haven't you all abandoned ship yet

>>1844712
I stopped playing for a week, then came back and played for a few hours thinking I was just overreacting. Nah, this sucks. Might come back when the new map drops, but if the damage changes are still the same then I'm gone for good

The only way this game will ever take off is by making it more skill based and leaving the MMO fags kicking and screaming.

>>1847611
it was taking off just fine. just needed to make incremental improvements not fucking nuke the game every other month

>brought back loot modifiers
This nigger can never stick to his vision and always falls to brainlet pressure.

>>1848261
I wish he would, the fucking youtubers crying for pve mode and drastic casualization changes have fucked us again and again.
The game was 100x funner in the fucking playtests.

>make sweeping changes with no forethought into how it might affect the rest of your game
>absolutely kill your playerbase
>panic and revert all those changes without thinking about how it affects the other changes you implemented
>promote the guy who killed your playerbase to CEO
IronMace is genuinely retarded

>you can block with the magic staff
>it requires an empty spell slot
how long has this been in the game?

>>1858705
I havent played in half a year, but i check in now and again.
Whats the deal now? They reverted but what did they keep?
Whats the actual state of the game now?

>>1863898
it's over

>>1863898
>There hasnt been ANY big changes for a couple months at this point, the past two seasons have added nothing other than a PVE newbie mode that nobody wanted
>Youtubers have been crying en masse to make the game easier
And the average 90iq sees the youtube video and parrots what they say 1:1

You havent missed a lot unfortunately, monk never released, pirate map never released, skill tree never released, longsword is still S tier well above every other melee weapon, etc

Can you solo again without getting raped by 3-man squads?

>>1864936
Unfortunately, if you dont know howto play, any number of opposing players are still going to beat you.
The game has a learning level for both your own class as well as you want to know what the enemy is capable of before you start winning fights

>>1864941
I don't want to fight, I just want comfy ratting and it's harder to evade 3 niggers in a team

>>1864936
not really, "solos" has the same teamup mechanic now

>>1865426
This is why I quit a while ago.

>>1864936
no, now its official you can team.

Can't believe IM lost to Nexon because torch light was customized and found to be exactly the same configuration as the Nexon's