does anybody play this in 2025. That demo for the new one got me interested

I still play it off and on depending on how busy I am with other things whenever a new character drops twice a year. Sanyaa, despite being blatantly overpowered as shit, was easily one of the best feeling thief/assassin characters I've ever played in any video game. Didn't try out Neamhein because she just didn't look interesting to me.
As someone who put around 70 hours into the Defying Fate beta and has around 1k hours in OG Vindictus, I will say that the latter has significantly better feeling combat, at least to me. It's faster, more fluid, the hits feel better, the dodging and blocking feels better. There really is just nothing else like it.
It has a small community, since the game is fucking ancient, but I'd say it's also one of the most chill communities you'd be able to find these days. Pretty much everyone is a 30+ year old giga coomer that's only there to slap some bosses while staring at some tits and ass. I've never seen anyone get salty in a raid or anything. Pretty easy to make friends if you wanted to, something that's almost unheard of in other MMOs these days.
The game is pure slop for the first 20 or so hours because it's way too easy with the free gear they give you. Once you get to season 3 it becomes tolerable, and bosses don't just die in two hits anymore, but still not very good. If you manage to make it into season 4 (30-ish hours) you'll be rewarded with what I'd consider the best action RPG out there. The fun will last anywhere from a few weeks to a few months, at which point you'll hit a massive wall because the gear you need to do the final set of raids requires insane grinding. That's usually when I quit.

Overall I'd say it's worth a try. At first I thought DF was intended to replace the original but without some drastic changes I don't actually see that happening. Not only will DF likely not even have half as many characters, but the speed of the combat itself is also like, half as fast. More "Soulslike" instead of a zippy action RPG.

>>1811723 (OP)
I started playing it again after the demo and I'm having fun like I always do on my occasion return, these days though I find it impossible to stick with anything with so many character choices. Something I always struggled with and it's more overwhelming than ever now, especially with a lot of them feeling like they kind of overlap on gameplay mechanics.

>>1812234
Yeah, I didn't hate the demo and I still had fun soloing blood lord on delia but it just feels not as fast. Maybe it's the attack speed removal but there were other things too like the removal of stamina leading to delia not having her alternate smashes and all of the "oomph" of waiting on that falling comet every time was gone (not to mention without attack speed getting fallen comets off is borderline impossible, I was spamming her second smash so much)

I'll be honest some of the characters I've been trying in OG I'm straight up dying already in season 2. With the story skipping they added that lets you just jump straight to the primary bosses of each episode it takes like 3-4 hours to get to season 3 but even some of the stuff in season 2 like Ikrium and the random sirens were actually almost one-shotting me, had to actually dodge and play the game (or chug pots I guess)
Even season 1 stuff like lionotus and ingkells took a minute or two to kill, it's nowhere near one shotting them. I keep seeing people say it takes 20 hours or whatever and that's nowhere near true as someone who's gotten to season 3 like 4 times in the past few days. It gets plenty fun plenty quickly if you ask me, at least as a long-term player who knows what to expect.

God damn if the characters aren't fucking beautiful in Defying Fate though. I wish we could get that kind of upgrade from shitty ass ancient source because holy fuck the visuals and physics are on a new level, it's honestly hard to go back to the dress-up of OG.

This whole post turned into a ramble sorry

>>1814614
>find it impossible to stick with anything with so many character choices
Yeah I just started last week and I can't nail down a "main" yet, I've levelled like 5 characters to 110 and 4 of them are really fun and there are still 5 more I'm interested in trying

>>1814930
I wasn't really enjoying neamhain that much but god damn the camera angles go hard on her
too bad I realized that all of the all curves outfits are exorbitantly expensive gacha costumes and they also don't seem to work with any custom inner armors(?)

such a classic cutscene, jacking off the gifs of that jiggle back in the day...

>>1815060
also fuck this gay ass punching bag boss even dying in two minutes he's annoying

>>1815072
this guy too
fuck this whole gay ass season

I quit this game and came back and quit again like 4 times after levelling a character to season 4 and then getting utterly walled by the knight dude with the cannon. I deal 0 damage to him while he bodies me any time he hits me. Is there something I have to do besides claiming the last set of free gear to get ready for this fight?

>>1814940
yeah i'm not feeling her either but she's definitely the hottest one I've played so far so I'm gonna get her to 110 atleast.

>>1815423
Season 4 is where the game kindly tells you that you will not be soloing all of the content anymore and it's time to get carried.

>>1816149
>she's definitely the hottest one I've played so far
it's because they gave her signature outfit the all curves treatment so she's got extra tits and ass to spare, Charon has the same thing. Though the center split on Neamhain makes her extra fine

>>1815423
are you talking about this guy? from what I've read old level 100 raids were nerfed into soloable story content so its probably a lot easier than you remember

>>1816390
Unfortunately I am solo only due to internet issues
>>1816514
Yeah that asshole. I was able to brute force him on a few characters by using free revives I had gotten from some event.... and then right afterwards is fucking NYLE with his instant kills

>>1816562
They periodically nerf lower level content as new content is released so it might be worth retrying if you want but if you genuinely can't ever play in parties you will always reach a point that you can't get through eventually

Can you change transformation nowadays? I have some very old characters I chose dark knight on because everyone said it was the best back in the day but I really just don't care and think paladin looks better in 99% of cases, especially the transformation cutscenes.

>>1816925
that'll be $20 per character +tip

>>1816961

>grimden's character select screen hair is a cash shop item and not a default option
its been some time since I've been exposed to nexon's jewery this is gonna take some getting used to

>>1817064
can you not get it with the unlimited hair pass?

>>1815423
If you had Millitan gear or whatever which has been available for free for like 3 years now then Caesar was always soloable. Everything up to Romel was soloable because those were the fights you were originally suppose to farm in groups to even be able to GET Millitan gear.

Season 4 is really just where the game expects you to both know all the ins and outs of your particular character and start learning the boss patterns instead of just going in all YOLO and expecting to win.

I remember spending at least a few days trying to get down Ragnaheim's weird ass attack patterns but it felt really good once I was able to beat him without getting hit much. That's literally peak Vindictus and a big part of why the game is still so fun.

Although i think everything up to Romel has been nerfed into oblivion by now anyway since Ardri gear is now free.

Yeah, I do exclusively play male characters so that I'm not tempted to spend on cosmetics and can fully dump all funds into gear to help me earn more money in the future and eventually buy all-curves+ for the biggest tits possible on all my sluts to maximize colhen-dancing potential, how can you tell?

I wish the new one played like og Vindictus. It seems a lot slower. Unless there are some really cool classes, I'll probably skip it.

>>1817904
of the characters I've tried so far the males have been the most fun

>>1817283
I didn't know about the ap exchange shop until your post

>>1818039
Of the newer characters I've tried I'm really enjoying latiya, tessa, sou, and sanyaa. I wasn't sure how I'd feel about a left click simulator but Sou's loop just feels really satisfying to pull off, they did a really good job with the sound effects and feedback on everything. Sanyaa and Latiya seem more like tab simulators but man they just feel crazy busted and have some good oomph on everything. It really feels like they started to abandon the tired LR normal vs smashes combo system of the original character philosophies.

I didn't really like Neamhain unfortunately, and I tried charon but I couldn't figure out how to get her alternative active attacks to work despite ranking up the abilities.

>>1818115
>tired
I meant to say "tiered", I wasn't intending to say I thought there was anything necessarily wrong with that system. I played Fiona, Delia, and Lynn for a long time.

sanyaa is fine too...

Ein Lacher is a cool idea. Great way to learn a character.

I started cause of the defying fates demo, picked Letty and I'm having fun so far though I'm not very far. The generous panty shots thanks to the free outfit certainly doesn't hurt..

>>1821088
I wish it didn't take fatigue. I know you can get all of the medals once you're at 0 fatigue but it's kind of annoying that you can't just go in and play around if you don't want to blow all of it.

>>1821088
The camera man is based.
I realized earlier how insane the crotch shots could go on sanyaa with her 3rd smashes being what they are. Not even the best one that I missed because of slow reaction earlier.

>>1821137
they know what the people want..

damn, I almost don't care that I have absolutely no idea why this bitch was here or why we fought her at all

>>1821229
this shit is turning into some major zanzibart-core

>>1821137
>I wish it didn't take fatigue
same. I'm also learning not every boss in here probably got the playtesting time they needed

>>1821229
>zipper on panties

Is there a tier list?

>>1822586
you can look at the top redeemer times but it's kind of misleading because it doesn't factor player dedication/playerbase and some of the top options (like sword lann) are insanely and almost totally gear dependent, to the point where you almost can't play him without high end gear since it directly affects his gameplay
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kQYcoNHpwEnOq-TwCQGqfms_0pp55Lci9kcJj0uzZ5k/edit?gid=994758476#gid=994758476

At the end of the day you really should just find a playstyle you like because you will have to play them a lot and you really have to love them to stay committed. Most of them you can't go wrong with and are pretty level but some stand outs I guess

>sword fiona
devCAT's golden girl, low skill floor, (very) good damage, insane defensive ability (very important in this game), hammer is basically just sword but worse
>latiya, sanyaa
just straight busted to be honest
>hurk and karok
They both have two solid weapons, teide (hurk) and cestus (karok) are really strong, greatsword (hurk) and pillar (karok) are not as DPS heavy but you trade that off for a bit less technicality and more unga bunga
>bow kai
this guy has practically broken the game since release, but genuinely why would you do this to yourself play a real merc you weirdo

some I might avoid if you really care
>delia
My girl but just in a really bad place and has been for a while, gear dependent (probably the single most attack speed hungry character in the game) for no reward other than getting to play her. Debatably the "worst" merc in the game right now

So is Defying Fate basically just Vindictus 2.0?

>>1823102
It's hard to say what they intend for the game. It's easy to say it's Vindictus 2 considering the original is 16 years old and runs on an ancient version of source but it's a pretty different game and I can't ever see them billing it as a "replacement" to the original.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vindictus/comments/1l3630c/4gamer_interview_what_kind_of_game_will_vindictus/

is paladin or dark knight better? or does the choice not really matter anymore. Nyle's asking me to join or not and I'm guessing this is where I pick

>>1824135
Just pick the one you think looks cooler. You can check the transformation cutscenes on youtube usually. Also pick fervor always since you'll probably wonder that too.

>>1824139
okay, thanks babe

>>1824140
Yeah it really doesn't make a difference anymore, they made it so that a lot of the content that matters you can't even transform in. Always go for looks.

>>1821229
aah so it's like that huh I understand everything now

>>1824196
>kept you waiting huh
kino...

fucking marrec this fucking guy still looks the exact same as every other trash merc from the tutorial 15 years later

>>1815423
I just beat him and I can say you should absolutely be able to beat him with the current free gear

>>1825317
what the fuck did they do to my boy
is this what happens when brown women /ss/ you too much

>2hr weekly maint
wtf.. i got quests to grind game

>>1825436
kek, I just got blindsided and kicked off in the middle of reading too

>>1825438
i was just futzing with which skill to rank up thankfully. trying to balance getting through the story in a timely manner without skipping too much of it lol

>8chps warming up to her just to have her die saving some fool
fucked up..

It was really nice of that dragon to just wait patiently while Keaghan had that whole conversation and what not instead of just killing him while he was distracted

>>1825446
if I had to read through all of the story all at once I would kill myself, I'm only managing to read through the later half of season 3 and 4 because I went through season 1 and 2 multiple times in the past with various refreshers

>>1826565
it's all new after like level 20-30 for me so it's not been too bad but man they got some yapping at times

>>1826709
once you hit the 110+ range it truly becomes "they had to hit a wordcount" tier there is just so much fucking text and its not even very compelling I don't know why I didn't skip it all the first time

>>1826761
>it gets even worse
grim..

>>1826709
At least you don't have to run back and forth between the outpost, kristie, brynn, and the general store now
except now in season 4 they seemingly stop putting the "interact with npc from anywhere" button and you have to keep running back to the rocheste castle after every mission

>>1826817
>spoiler
fucking GRIM, that feature is so nice for these back and forth bits

wake me up when they add in a playable loli.

>>1826820
it's not as bad as it was back in season 1 and 2 when I played but yeah it just keeps doing this at some point and you have to walk over to the castle

siete hot
can we just let the bad guys win?

damn, wish I had played with the 7day coupon more the radiant princess set is cute

>>1826998
season 4 really just said every boss had to be a hot bitch now
>>1827023
which coupon is that? you get more avatar boxes as you level up, I have like 4 of free 30 day ones in my inventory

>>1827048
real early ones that let you pick from a few different basic outfits, inner armor, and hair and swap between them

>>1827048
I assume part of it's just to save on cost, pretty much every humanoid boss' outfit ends up in a gacha at some point. There are AC versions of Siete, Laura, Epona, etc. and the entire 450 dollar follower system is reused boss models. That and it lets them just reuse skeletons easily, like how Milo just uses Crom's skeleton.

>>1827055
They certainly know how to jew. I didn't realize how bad the costume gachas actually are until I started playing again. 0.05% chance per 2 dollar ticket and it takes like 200-250 of them to guarantee it? lmao
they had it back in the day even with the Iset outfit and shit but I guess I never paid attention to how bad it was

>>1827067
it's almost impressive just how scummy mtx has gotten over the years.. i hope defying fates somehow avoids the worst of it

>>1827096
I have pretty high hopes since the huge tits are a default body slider option now and not locked behind certain cosmetics. I cannot fucking image they would implement the gacha crystals into a single player game that doesn't have a long term whale playerbase attached to it to put up with them. I feel like modern MTX systems very much lean towards battlepasses like they already implemented in the alpha and honestly I don't have much of an issue with battlepasses in most cases, certainly preferable to gacha systems.

I don't really mind being encouraged to play the game every day as long as I like the game and I don't really mind paying a modest fee for them whenever they release a new one for an outfit I like. Obviously it would be better if it wasn't there but hoping for it to all just be free is fucking laughably stupid and as far as current popular systems go it's the one I have the least complaint about. What I do mind is being expected to drop anywhere from 300-500 dollars for a fucking single cosmetic.

>>1827108
I actually don't mind TFDs battlepass, if you start the season late you can still easily max it because of how the weekly tasks stay unlocked plus just not needing a ton of xp to get everything good

I'm normally a ponytail guy but I might use my permanent hair coupon on the bouncy twintails instead..

>>1827113
I haven't played tfd, I didn't even realize it was a nexon game. Vindictus is the most modern nexon game I've played
>>1827137
You can buy 7 day unlimited hair swaps with 200 AP so it's not a huge deal. Love ponytails too, siete's is great. I always pick stuff that tends to clip the least.

>>1827156
oh very cool, makes that choice easier.

>7 incaps
ruh roh
this is where I die...

>>1827253
Romel and the next fight is always about as far as I get when I come back to mess with this game. There's an event right now that gives a free set of +12 Lv. 115 gear that might make it easier.

>>1827295
>free set of +12 Lv. 115 gear that might make it easier.
the once per account thing is making me panic tho i'm rushing to level damn near everyone in the game before I choose a main

>>1827330
The game has equipment sharing now, it does cost a bit but they usually run an event for discounted usage every time a new character releases. That said it's still nice to have the base gear on a character you like/main so you can always play them.

>>1827295
honestly I could probably beat him if I just git gud he seems pretty easy just not fucking facetanking that counter attack and learning to deal with the falling rocks phase
Sanyaa is kinda retarded and once you dodge through the first attack you can just tab mash through the entire rest of his combo because the tab gives iframes and keeps reactivating itself

Is there anything good I can do with my fatigue on her until I get off my ass to kill him?

>>1828216
If I remember correctly, you can only do two flips in a row before you have to do another dodge. Not that it changes her flip being pretty strong.
I'm not actually up to date about making money and was going to ask about it myself. Red Moon Energy is a cycling daily fight that can be done twice which gives you a bunch of the basic materials you need for upgrades and seems like decent income on entry level gear. Abyssal Arena (1 or 2) can be done if you want a ton of EXP, I know I can solo 1 fairly easily.

>>1828222
>you can only do two flips in a row before you have to do another dodge
You can do the buffed dash thing (play rough I think it's called?) up to three times in a row but when you press the tab and do the teleport thing it just keeps refreshing the buff that lets you press tab. I'll be honest I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing but just kind of mashing out actives on CD, her third smashes, and tabbing through attacks seems to work pretty well.
I'll do the red moon things though, I didn't know about that.

>log in to my delia to get her to 105
rip I guess...
had permanent storage chests, hairs, inners, pets...all expired

>>1828279
that sucks.. rip

man, some of these characters and outfits are something..

>>1828307
that person is always dancing there kek
I don't know what half the shit on the screen is with the weird stand thing and the NPC followers, colhen is a extra weird place now

>>1828309
yeah the picture studio thing is a lot lmao, so many people with it on the first channel

>>1828309
>>1828311
If you're actually curious. Objects are a system that more or less serve as unlockable emotes with a prop. They also let you refill some fatigue each day. The picture studio is a reward for the current login reward (day 96) which you can find the full list and previews here: https://vindictus.nexon.net/event/2025/0318/race Some of the racier ones are locked behind the gacha, such as shower stalls and what not.
Followers are unlockable AI partners that kind of work like they do in Defying Fate. They go on sale for like 450 dollars on occasion and are generally not worth it. They do some damage and offer some stat buffs but I don't think you're allowed to use them in endgame fights anyways. You'll see Epona a lot as they gave her out for free last anni. Claire, Succubus, Arcana, Regina, and I think Neam are the other bosses that got turned into these.

>>1828327
That would explain the plethora of them, shame they're so borderline useless but also that's nice as someone without one i guess..

poor little guy dies so much

I forgot that some of my characters could harvest these because I used to farm them for money

>>1828373
he does his best, I'm sure he's happy

so the main story wants me to do the Sea of Reflection raid before the next quest, is it reasonable to do that in the lv100 freebies with randoms or should I just skip that and do the story anyway?

>>1828525
When I played some years ago I don't think I had the option to skip it, or if I did I didn't see it, but I remember doing it "at level" and it was both a pain in the ass to find a party and once I did find one I was basically just total dead fucking weight and died constantly once I got in.
I assume redeemers are still very hard content that doesn't get nerfed since people still use them for the main time trials.

Even if you skip it and "proceed" now it just stays in your quest log and you can do it later.

>>1828525
Just skip them. Redeemer raids were added in the middle of S3 as endgame challenge content for people with really high end gear. Starting I believe in late S3 they started having to design regular raids to be done by 4 people due to how small the playerbase got. They didn't want to entirely remove 8 man content, so Redeemer and now Space Time Distortion content got repurposed as weekly 8 man content where the HP does not scale down (hence why they're used for time attacking and why they take over a hour for newer ones). 4 man content became the daily grind while once a week around reset you'll see a lot more people doing their weekly 8 mans. The restrictions on healing, revivals, and lack of solo HP scaling on top of these being the closest thing to old Vindi 8 mans makes them a massive difficulty spike and just a pain to get through.

>>1828529
>>1828541
thanks bros

ok so

>red moon daily for the materials and shit you can sell
>110 raids daily for seals and dosh until you are geared for the higher ones
>royal army raid daily for the bottles which have seals/gear materials in em
>redeemers twice a week for the boxes of goodies
>niflheim if you can fit it for a chance at beaucoup dosh from the gem gambling crates
>ein lacher if you can stomach it once you're out of fatigue until you get the balance+ and crit+ achievements on that char

am I missing anything? trying to make a daily checklist I can run through with all my alts once they hit 110. Also whats the best content to farm AP in?

>you can outright see the areola outline on one of the outfits
holy shit, i understand why people play the outfit gacha..

can someone use the SUMMER2025 code and tell me what it gives? I can't remember if I already used it or if i redeemed it on some other character

>>1829530
that will be 300 dollars or 500 mirrion gold goyim

>>1829586
got this from it
>>1829592
I wont be doing that.. just hot damn is that an outfit

>>1829586
>>1829594
I actually don't know where you even enter those

>>1829604
the supply depot has a little "enter coupon" button in the bottom right area

>>1829606
based
I love free shit

kradie burst gives so many panty shots..

>sides with the former goddess of chaos who got striped of her powers for being uncontrollable
>shocked when she betrays him
you are the dumbest motherfucker ever keaghan

>>1830046
wouldn't be keaghan if he wasn't constantly jobbing

today I will beat Romel

>>1831068
it's gotten worse...

>>1831105
alright that went a lot better, just had to derust
could probably beat him with no graces or pots with a transformation

>>1831114
I used just a few pots, and I got combo'd close to the end and had to use a grace...
I did do the mission where you don't get mana wounded by his fist though

Is there any reason not to use the +12 orna boxes on Letty in particular? She's the only character I've played but she's been fun and I just hit 115

>>1831183
Probably anyone you can enjoy playing is worth it. Ranged characters are pretty easy in party play so it might help you get to farming faster too rather than feeling like you need to master every boss.

Though I remember back in the day, particularly with Kais, people were always a bit prejudiced because a lot of them are retard's who force the boss into running around like a retard all the time because they stand on the other side of the arena, but people were just way more prejudiced and picky in general back when I seriously played.

just the first attempt but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that milo is not happening in the ardri gear
he has so much more hp wtf, it took like 30 minutes of slugging on him

>>1831227
guess that's why it feels so hard
doesn't seem like a lot but maybe it makes a big difference

>>1831207
I'm okay with a little ranged bullying, I play bowguns in monhun already. I only had enough stuff to +13 the weapon but the deed is done.

>>1831242
Based. I'm still not sure if I want to use it on my sanyaa or not.

>>1831244
You actually don't have to worry about it now, in the dev talk summary it's mentioned we're getting a +5 level bump to the freebie gear to go alongside the general +5 level cap bump.

>>1831253
>players will grow their gear by experiencing various content step-by-step
ah, so it's basically like the same play guide we have now just bumped up some levels. Which means by the end of the new play guide you probably would get a +14 120 weapon and +12 120 armor right?

>>1831233
I'm going to assume you're not an old Vindi player, but the way the stats work in this game are part of why the game died. The game's dead and has no real online resources outside the Discord so I'll summarize.
Your effective attack is Attack - Boss Defense capped to 10k. I think the cap might've been upped to 15k now and Attack Surplus allows you to increase the cap higher. The game just displays the max attack per raid, which you can see on the window if you scroll down raid info. At 43116 on +12 Adri you hit the 10k cap for Romel but you're only on about 7200 for Milo. This sort of breakpoint system gets exceptionally bad at the lower end, such as when boss def is 9k while player average attack as at 11k, where pushing to 13k literally doubles your effective attack.
Critical Rate works the same as Attack, but is capped to 50. So 221 crit on Romel translates to 46% critical rate while on Milo you only get 33%. This stat is why Lann is gear intensive to play.
Balance was capped to either 90 or 95, I forget since it's the least relevant of the stats and it's been so long. Either way each point is only 0.5% loss on average so it's not as important.
The last stat is Counterforce, which the game does have a tutorial for but if I remember correctly it caps at 100 and serves as a % modifier to your final damage. So at 100 CF you deal 100% damage and at 90 CF you deal 90%. At 176 CF you deal 88% damage to Romel but only 76% to Milo.
All of this piles up to Milo taking in the 11-12 minute range to kill while you can get Romel down in 6-8. Some of the later 110 fights have higher stat requirements which more or less force you to upgrade.
The other damage stats don't interact with boss resistances so I won't cover them.
>>1831271
Probably yes, so there's still a reason to farm the current event as it gets you to a full set of +14 Orna armor if you clear out the shop.

>>1831279
I think the only time I played somewhat seriously for an extended period was back in season 2 around episode 2 and 3. It's the only reason my fiona and hurk can do this lol >>1828476 there was a money making method running through the twilight desert collecting those. I mostly just spent my time mindlessly going through the daily circuit of season 1 raids because it was hard to get in to the season 2 boats for me, but even then it was only really a few months.

I only really had a vague idea of how the stats work from back then so I appreciate the info. I remembered the attack scaling having a logarithmic nature to it and the stuff about crit but not really in exact terms. You're right about it being hard to find info nowadays.

>>1831294
Ah the TD farming era, good times. I think S2E1 spiked the boss defense on Lakiora/Kraken so much that the average player had 0 effective attack and whales only had 3k-5k. So most people just quit after trying to grind money for a few months since it was pretty much impossible due to RMT inflation.
I do wish it was easier to find information but it's sort of the nature of a game this old and niche. I refuse to join the Discord so it's part of why I just play casually to nostalgia trip.

>>1831300
Yeah...I don't think I ever ended up doing a kraken raid...
I remember grinding ship graveyard like hell trying to get a thunder ring. Don't think I ever got anything, wish I still had all of my old stuff on those characters but I threw whatever I acquired on them away after logging back in over the years.

how come doing irusan in quickbattle doesn't get me orna seals? how am I supposed to meet the Bres qb requirements without them for upgrades

You know I'm kind of sad we're not getting a new character this summer. I'm sure for the people who play the game seriously it's no big deal since they already have a main and prefer the developers to focus on the level cap increase, but for players like me who just like to come back to the game now and then to dick around (sometimes literally) it's a little disappointing.
Ah well.

do you guys know of any good guides for getting into the raids? gearing recommendations and stuff like that

>>1833585
I can see that. I remember how packed character launches used to be, it was always kinda fun. I wonder if it's even really noticeable nowadays with how dead it is.

>>1834566
I feel like you probably have to unironically check the discord for any kind of current updated content guides and information

>>1834658
>check discord
it's so grim how many games this applies to now for things that discord just doesn't do well like guides or wikis..

>>1834666
On some level I get it especially in very niche games because the barrier of entry for creation is very low. You literally just type out a bunch of text, can copy paste some images directly into your post, and hit enter and it's just there hosted on a usually "official" channel where most of the community is anyways. It's somewhat easier than having to go through hoops to edit some random wiki page no one will see or have to put in the effort to make a video on an empty youtube channel that no one will see
but it's also still just fucking annoying

>>1834715
yeah it makes sense for those games just wish there was a better alternative.. it also doesn't help that i've been spoiled by the osrs wiki which is outstanding so when i have to scavenge through some shitcord it's rough

>solo practice milo
>get hit like 30times with 5 incapacitations
I don't think I'm cut out for the endgame bros

>>1834931
just set the difficulty to easy mode (play Kael or Achel)

>>1834937
but thats not a cute girl.. i bet him in the actual version with 2 deaths which is better but i'm very peeved cause both were dumb af. i dashed too far on the circle and died and i fucked up a dodge on the death mark thingy that can 1shot you while in my transformation so it basically was wasted

>>1811723 (OP)
Used to be a very nice game and it's combat was amazing for it's time.
Now, like any other failing Korean MMO, it's just coomer bait now.

Although I do congratulate them for not putting in the cookie cutter pedo bait character.
Usually K devs do that at this point.

I'm guessing the Play guide is tied to the hero as a whole so you can't just like make and delete Lann's constantly to farm free VVIP?

>>1835065
yeah, you can hover over the VVIP in your avatar and it should say it can't be traded
if you could put it in shared storage or mail it to your other characters it would say that

>>1835070
ah yeah it's just regular vip not the vvip in the play guide my bad. gonna be sad when i run out of these event vvip then cause the constant fatigue and merc potions are really nice

>>1835102
you can buy vvip with gold on the marketplace, I think it's like 5m for 7 days? It pays for itself I think.

>>1835114
that's cool at least, i'm not even at 1mil so it might be a bit before i'm buying vvip off the mb lol

>>1835122
Yeah I think it's really something you have to be making full use of with all of the raids daily to be worth. I still have to login and just beat milo lol

the dragon fights are the most insufferable fights in the game I would rather solo a redeemer with my nuts in a barbed wire vice than have to do them all again and again for every character. Giant monster fights in general are cancer why is the camera so restrictive? let me zoom out nigga I dont wanna stare at its toes and ballsack

>>1835625
what do you mean, it's so fun when you can't see any of the monsters attack tells because your screen is like 90% just their fucking taint

>>1835625
the hitboxes on the attacks are so fucked up and nonsensical too, beokros is such a piece of shit I swear

shit
you mean I still have to pay for all of the enhancement materials? that shit's expensive as fuck, though I have some few 10s of millions banked on old characters

>>1837530
I just saw the elixirs are also in the exchange shop but I don't think I'll have enough tickets to buy many since this is the last week and it's weekly capped, shit...not sure if I can even buy all of the armor pieces

>can bank up to 151 tickets before it ends
fugggg I'm 19 short of being able to +14 everything not including having to buy all of the enhancement elixirs with gold. I didn't realize how it worked or how it was weekly capped until a few days ago...

I am...the ein lacher...

is it worth getting into base vindictus now, or should I wait for the new one to come out?

>>1838330
I've been having fun, you catch up to the 100-110 stuff pretty quick. we also have no idea when defying fates is actually coming out and it'll just be part of the story iirc not really replacing the original

>>1838330
this game is always worth playing until you get to the point of the daily grind and for playing ein lacher (fun stat equalized solo boss content) on new characters
The "new one" isn't really a replacement as we've seen it thus far.

retard alert but how do you even go about joining the raids when you're new? all the time i see people wanting parties it's like doing all of them and whatever circuit and cb mean... and how much do you need to know beforehand to not totally grief the party?

>>1838500
the circuits are just like a straight-through run of all of the content so you don't have to find a party for each individual raid, it's where most of the dailies happen I think
probably have to join a guild to find people in any reasonable amount of time honestly...

>>1838723
ah that makes sense thanks. guess i gotta try to find a guild then

>>1838500
look for a party in the promotion window thats recruiting for [Royal Castle Topaz Hall - Great Ministry x2] or alternatively [110s x2] that means they're looking for a group to do a run through of all 5 of the level 110 raids twice. You'll need to pop a VIP to depart twice for the same raid in one day but they're not hard to come by you have the free ones from levelling and you can buy more from the AP shop in the colhen inn and they give them out all the time

You'll probably die a shit ton your first couple goes until you learn their mechanics but the potions and revives you got from levelling will last you until you get the ropes.

OH also if you are at any of the main quests that require one of the raid fights to progress be sure to say "I have story for x fight is that cool?" so people know beforehand because if one person has a story cutscene it breaks the circuit and you guys have to re-join the boat after your cutscene

>>1838776
yeah my first few romel + milo practice runs were not pretty.. I don't have the crit rate for Great Ministry, Cavern of Enmity, or the counter for Winds of Lochlann in the quick departure screen, does that matter for the circuit things? I do have like 3weeks of VIP and another 2 weeks of VVIP but I'm gonna wait a few days before popping the next since I sadly can't play much this weekend. Gonna miss these free coom skins when the event ends..

also semi related, what about the redeemer things? Similar idea I'm guessing? I still haven't done any..

>>1838883
dont bother waiting to get quickbattle requirements they're really restrictive, for circuit groups the host can set whatever stat requirements they want but since 110s are old content no one bothers setting requirements up so newfags can join most any group and get carried

and redeemers are like proper raid bosses in other mmos I guess? whereas the "raids" in this kinda feel like minidungeons with dungeon bosses at the end. They're harder, longer boss fights with more mechanics and better rewards, and you can only do them weekly (once a week without VIP twice a week with VIP) You should join circuit group for them as soon as you can because completing them all gives you permanent stat bonuses on that character. Just note that you can only use Exquisite potions in there and you can't spam goddess revives you can only get rezzed by other teammates (although newbies get a free autorevive after a few seconds)

>>1839075
and also the "story" rules apply here every character that hasn't done redeemers yet will fuck the circuit up on every. single. battle because they get a cutscene so you have to make sure the group is ok with that most groups that already have a story guy in them will say "story" in the group name

>>1839075
>>1839078
awesome, thanks for the help man

i know i'm shit but hitting naberius' head with the hook is infuriating.
>shot looks good
>hits the hand
>game thinks i tapped instead of held so it quick shots onto the arm and now i'm stuck in the animation to get wombo'd

>>1840989
that fight is a fucking misery I can't wait to be done with it. I don't even bother grappling the head outside of the OHKO anymore I just spam potions and dodge and pray I dont get petrified

I still think the little chat emotes in this game are the cutest

it's over...

>>1842313
>1 left
it's so over....

>>1842324
it doesn't hurt as bad after finding out how much it costs to go through all of the elixirs and reforging steps I guess...

what's the point of the succubus fang if it only heals as much as the lion statue but with a slightly longer CD and the added condition of dealing damage? or does lions hp go away after it ends even if it's not extending past your max

>>1811723 (OP)
There was a thread up a while ago for this, it turns out Nexon is still a team of scammers making shit games and the graphics are bait.
There's a reason this game can't manage a /vg/ or /vm/ or even a /v/ thread despite the good art style and it being F2P. It's just quite literally that bad of a game.

It's playable but not worth really investing your time into and because of that it's not worth making friends/inviting friends to play it with you so it kind of dooms itself into a game people only touch when bored or curious because they jewed it so fucking hard.

If it weren't for the sexy women this game would have died a long time ago and been shut down.

>milo has brown goddess mommy gf at his beck and call
>still a big fat fucking pissbaby
HATE this faggot

>>1845371
what did Iset mean by this

>>1842380
I'm not saying you're wrong really but it's more like a "broken clock is right twice a day" kind of thing. There are a bunch of reasons that it can't maintain a general today, chief being that it's just fucking old, 16(?) years old. Almost no games from the time this game came out still have active generals outside of the titans and I genuinely think even if it didn't have some of the egregious monetization systems it does it still wouldn't be a popular game at this point. It doesn't look good by today's standards, it's running on an ancient version of source that runs like abslute garbage and is megagimped by multi-core CPUs, and ultimately the combat is great but it's not really a system that lends itself to engaging party play and group content and never really has.

The dress up is good but it's bogged down by exorbitantly expensive gacha mechanics and honestly the all-curves system makes everything a lot less customizable than it used to be if you want a huge rack. We already saw how upgraded the coomerism could be in defying fate.

The game is just well past its prime at this point. It maintained generals for years but all MMOs die off in the west eventually unless they're WoW or Runescape, and that's especially true for all of these Korean action mmos (not aided by the extensive jewing)

>>1845400
pretty sure rs3 struggles to keep a general these days and osrs generals always been a bit, special..

>>1839075
>you get 100% of the bonuses after 1 full clear now
I did not realize this
Guess it's time to bum a clear...

>>1842313
>realizing like a week later when desperately trying to find my outfit selection box that you can have mail the game just straight up does not tell you is there past the 4 pages even if it has items attached to it
>if you flood your mailbox with mail (i.e. cheer up coupon messages after every single mission you do) you can flood your mailbox with rewards attached off the list and it can sit there forever until it expires and you have no clue you're even missing it until you start deleting all of the spam
what the fuck is this system
I had 240 coupons and countless log in reward items just fucking sitting there and would have expired if I hadn't noticed. At least I can buy a lot more stuff now

>managed to bullshit my way through winds of lochlann
>now my dailies and weeklies are for orna raids intsead of ardi
fuck

>>1850731
does it really do that
I was practicing winds of lochlann the other day to solo clear it to unlock the book of orna recipe...

>>1850750
yeah I cleared it last night and I had these today

>>1850754
Maybe I should hold off then kek
I got a guild but only recently and I don't want to go begging to bum circuits off of them just for dailies just yet

>>1850774
I still need to join a guild

>>1850830
the 3 daily guild departure licenses and daily FP are pretty great, I just dump the licenses into RME or RAR because lazy
I guess the FP matters less after realizing that VVIP gives you FP for free on the hour once you use your pots, but without the 115 raid circuits I don't really have enough stuff to do that uses FP other than getting some extra seals out of the ein lacher

it's a horrible day to have eyes

it's finally over...

i know it's a dumb thing but i hate how they have a set animation for holding the weapon, but don't bother to make all the weapons have the appropriate parts for the animation to line up right.

some of these bosses seemed fine while going through the story but they suck ass in Ein

what does 2 Rank mean in multiplayer?

>>1852145
I hate how the enhancement glow makes all of the weapons look the exact same

>>1852678
ironically I think any of the older trash bosses like the random kobolds and troll guys are the worst shit in the game
they all just have some random instant startup kick or something you can barely react to that hits me every single time

>>1853185
I forget if they did it in Ein Lacher, but they sometimes just speed up old bosses when they reuse them for content. It's why Red Moon Blood Prince is so awful to fight. You can also disable/select your weapon glow, it's under some settings on the left in the fitting room.

>>1852145
I'm not too surprised about the lack of quality control given they have to make something like 35 weapon models every level uncap.

Aes Sidhe always kicks my ass on every new character I level

>>1853185
that or like the multihit attacks are really annoying. the stupid gold fish boss in season3 has a roll that counts as 3hits right out the gate and it has little/poor telegraph on if it'll use it when all you can see is it's fucking ass after it's last swipe, that cunt was what really inspired the post but it definitely applies to a lot of those odd inbetween bosses.. like that one assassin rat who spends half the fight just teleporting behind you

so i would say the defying fate demo worked on me

>>1854379
damn.. some serious gaming. I've been playing through their launcher instead of steam so idk how many hours I've put in but the demo got me back in as well

damn, letty is so flexible

it's over...4 raid coupons short of the outfit clone box...(I don't even know how to use it)

>>1854379
>>1854411
Yeah I use the launcher instead of steam too so I have no clue how much I've put in. Had 20-30 in defying fate, Almost level 10 on vanguard now for the maxed out att surplus, need to start raising alts to 110 so I can do RME and stuff on them.

>>1855071
steam says 40hrs for the demo for me but a decent chunk of that was idle around town.. delia was so cute in DF

I get why people whale some of these outfits..

>>1856649
the AC outfits vary for me, some of the lower bodies get a little exaggerated for my tastes. Not saying I don't love a fat ass and thick thighs but I have more of a limit on what I'll take there than on the tits.

I miss the veins of defying fate so much though...

>>1856944
yeah the Siete AC from the event is definitely a bit much, my letty has fairly default sliders and it gives a bit too much love to the caboose compared to the rest. that guys char is definitely a lot but i'm pretty sure a good chunk of that is their slider work lol. and dear god same, I'm so eager for more news about it but also dreading it cause you know they just might fuck us over with $400 outfit gachas again..

>>1857517
>Force you to create character on default body sliders
>Everyone uses AC at endgame
>Almost never give out appearance alteration coupons
>Have to swipe to buy one to fix your sliders for AC outfits
Nexon is truly evil.

>>1811723 (OP)
I started playing this game a few days ago.
I think I'm going to quit. it's too much of a coomer game for me.
I'm only level 40 but it placed me on channel 1 today and I was not prepared.
am I misreading it?

>>1856649
how much does it cost to create a character like this?

>>1858157
apparently all those super slutty outfits are from the gacha thing which if you swipe and have to get enough tickets to pity your outfit is up to like $400, the outfits off mb are like 200-400mil depending

>>1858075
I mean not really, the dress up is a big part of the game and why people play it. We like ass n titties here. You're going to see some really gaudy characters though.

I would say for me it's like 75% gameplay 25% dress up, but you have to find a character you really like playing.

>>1858157
>>1858184
For reference, one end game character doing all of their weeklies and daily 115-120 circuits can expect to generate about 300m per month. Takes a while to get there, but you can get a lot more with multiple characters which is encouraged.

Also they do give out free permanent outfits multiple times a year. You're beholden to whatever options they put in the box but it's there. Usually we get both a few of the "signature outfit" boxes and just generally free outfits.

I'm very confused. these quests seem impossible?
I tried looking up https://vindictus.fandom.com/wiki/Clodagh_Adores_Fashion
and tried farming the https://vindictus.fandom.com/wiki/White_Gnoll_Heart
but after 10 runs I've gotten 0 drops?

is it really bad RNG or is this deprecated content?
I'm only level 35 at the moment.
also nobody seems to offer to craft this armor piece?

>>1859022
just press G and hit story progression mode button until you get to battles that say "this battle is meant to be completed in a party" at level 110-115
ignore literally everything else it's all decade old content that's in a weird state of still existing but not really having a purpose meant for content that's been reworked a hundred times

>>1859022
>>1859081
Oh, about the only time you might have to break from the story progression mode is around 40-50ish when you unlock your transformation. You'll know you're around there because the game will be telling you to go kill the giant yeti kings and you should have a mission in your quest side bar telling you to talk to nyle. Do the two missions he sends you on and then just unlock whatever transformation (dark knight or paladin) that you think looks cooler it functionally doesn't matter to any meaningful degree at this point in the game.

Otherwise you can literally just hit the big red button and hold ctrl through (or read if you want to) the story until you're at the current relevant content.

When you get to the season 3 content around 80-100 it will ask you about redeemers (you'll know when you get here), just proceed on all of them otherwise you'll have to clear the redeemers raids before you can move forward in the story. Come back and clear them later for the stats.

>>1859081
>>1859092
I wanted to do some of the side content though. I'm not in a rush to get to the end.

hey, wait a minute, I recognize those colors...

>>1859181
there is no side content, anon
the most you could consider "side content" is probably ein lacher which lets you fight old bosses and raids with normalized stats

>>1859475
but, my achievement level on whatever that window is that pops up when I press 'N'...

>>1859482
I have realized the error in my ways. some of the tasks are impossible until perhaps I unlock the higher difficulty. I've come across one where it's impossible to get the mini-boss to spawn because they removed half the areas from the map, and the boss spawns in one of those areas.

>>1859482
This? I mean you are welcome to spend all of your time fighting every single filler story mission the game ever added with the 500 reskinned gnolls and kobolds while running through the same areas over and over with the overpowered leveling gear that makes it all a joke but I wouldn't recommend it. There's really no purpose to the "achievements", you'd just be running through the world's most boring checklist for 30 hours. You don't even get raw gold anymore since they removed all of the mission rewards before current raids.

>>1859547
It's completely dead content, even back in the day people didn't do all of those. If you just want to enjoy the gameplay your best bet is just getting to unlocking ein lacher which lets you fight a bunch of the old bosses from those missions.

I might not have gave neamhain enough of a shit at first. She's simple but the loop actually feels pretty good.
Also god damn she's just fine as fuck.

victory

>>1860280
huge gz

well I managed to sell some early game materials, which is great because I'm fucking BROKE as a new player...
but I can't claim it for 3 days because I'm not level 90 yet, lol.

>>1860628
They completely gutted all gold rewards from all content before current relevant raids last year. You used to be able to make good money from leveling up, like 15-20 mil a character, but you might have like 500k-1mil by the time you get to 110ish.

here's a specimen I just came across.

>>1860638
yeah I'm almost 50 and I have less than 20k, but I've probably spent 30k on spears and bombs and crafting some shit like the liquor for the blacksmith for some of the quests.
but I just got 100k for selling some ore, but again it's locked in my mailbox for 3 days lol.


btw can I edit the UI size in a config file or something? I have it set to 150% but it's still way too small for my preference.

>>1860662
I don't think you can resize them more than that, I play on 1080p so it's not a problem. Game runs bad enough, though it's all a CPU core speed gate so high res probably wouldn't make it much worse. You can move UI elements by holding alt + dragging though.

Secondary weapons (bombs and shit) are also dead content btw

whaddafug

finally managed to bump a party on reset day but ah shit you have to do them twice. Guess it's easier now that I don't get to worry about interrupting parties with the story. Such a stupid fucking system, just let people view it after the raid. It's also stupid that people even care about occasionally spending an extra 4 minutes a week on their redeemer runs but it shouldn't even be a thing at all.

I have so much more crit now though hell yeah.

is this a video game or a porn game?

I don't really understand this. are some of the things, like Fervor and Revelation: Resistance, always active?

>>1861666
those are all only active during transformation
fervor and passion are the most important, and passion II and transcendence for transformation 2
you earn points whenever you use the transformation, the transformations regen over time and after battles based on a points system I don't remember the specifics of, up to a maximum of 3 uses stored at once. Basically just use them on cooldown against bosses to level it up.

>>1861698
ahh ok so I should just blow it every dungeon it's available, at least until it's leveled up.

I've finally unlocked all my skills (53).
so this Transcendent skill is like a passive, that will automatically convert HP to STA when I run out of STA?
I'm also accumulating a lot of junk gear. am I supposed to dismantle, vendor, or trash this? is there even dismantling in this game?

>>1861758
>so I should just blow it every dungeon it's Available, at least until it's leveled up
Yeah basically. It doesn't really matter much since there are a lot of places you can't use it and it doesn't boost your town stats but it can be nice sometimes to have. It takes a really long time to level everything.

>so this Transcendent skill is like a passive, that will automatically convert HP to STA when I run out of STA?
Yeah. Not a greatsword expert but hurk can basically sustain himself infinitely with revenge and transcendent to never stop attacking.

>junk gear
if it's the play guide reward I don't think you can do anything except vendor or destroy it. I usually just vender it.
It IS worth keeping the 100/105 gear though when you get there, if you ever need to go back and do some trash content (like title farming) for whatever reason you can swap to it and save on repair costs. All 110+ gear will cost you about 10k per depart in repair fees, which is a lot less than the raw gold you get from 110+ missions but a lot more than the 0 gold you get back from anything before 110.

>>1861758
Yeah, it's the core of Hurk's gameplay. If you ever stop attacking you'll still get the 0 stamina recovery animation so you just need to never stop attacking. It's worth noting that stamina regeneration enchants like Zeal/Berserker reset the HP cost scaling which is part of what made him so game breaking when he released. The freebie gear eventually comes with a Berserker enchanted accessory so you don't have to worry about that.

Dismantling does exist as a crafting skill but I don't believe it's worth much at that low of a level. It's pretty safe to trash most of the freebie gear you get as you level, given everyone gets it for free. The only thing you might want to hold onto are low level weapons if you want their appearances for weapon fusions/brandishes later on.

how the FUCK do I get this skill to spin more than once like the tutorial video shows??? I should be able to spin 4 times if the tooltip is correct? Max strikes: 4? or is it fake news and I need to level it up to spin more? or is the timing super tight on the right clicks to continue the spins?
and what is Breakoff DMG, is this something I ever need to consider? I see it on a few skills.

>>1861811
that's a good idea having junk gear for junk content to save on repairs.

>>1861816
so there's transmog. interesting. only on weapons, or for armor too?

>>1861836
Can't comment on Vortex specifically as I don't have a leveled Hurk to try it on. Breakoff damage was more relevant when part breaking was more of a central gimmick, certain moves were better at breaking parts for extra drops/money. It's another largely abandoned mechanic.

As for transmog, the old cosmetics system was fusion runes which let you use up an item to apply it's appearance onto another. This has been replaced with the outfitter system which is just a separate set of cosmetic slots. Weapon cosmetics are tied to a brandish cash shop item, which you need to use a weapon fusion rune with to give it an appearance. As such only weapon fusion runes are really relevant while armor fusion is obsoleted by outfitters.

>>1861897
>while armor fusion is obsoleted by outfitters.
I do like the the female milletian top though, it's cute

it's really funny that all the videos for this game are 10+ years old, so you can find videos where people have clearly male voices, and now they have an anime girl pfp and go by she/they.

>>1861916
Luckily they've started to release craftable outfitter versions of gear sets, so there might be a way to get it as an outfitter. I know Apoc and Raider's both have craftable versions.

>>1861916
I also forgot the other thing armor fusion runes were good for, they used to be good on Delia pre-Zenith changes. Outfitters don't have a broken model so they wouldn't break when you used Zenith. However standard gear pieces did, and Zenith specifically deleted Delia's chest piece while using the broken model for all other slots. If you used a gear set that had a dress that combined the chest/pants slot like Regina, you could make it delete both slots and make Delia strip completely whenever she used Zenith. Add in a skin tone inner armor and it was great fun. Sadly this isn't relevant after the recent changes.

>>1861948
>Sadly this isn't relevant after the recent changes.
I was so disappointed when I logged back in on my delia. I thought maybe I was misremembering or something because I vividly remembered her going naked after using it. What a shame...

>>1861976
https://vindictus.nexon.net/news/93989/ver-3-16-update-note
It was a pretty recent change, but I still hate it. Her development code name was Rose Crush, it was core to her identity.

Vindictus really have become second life tier.
If the niggers at Nexus didn't delete my account I might be still playing occassionally

>>1861590
d'pends, are you gay?

>bunch of half naked people just dancing near the marketboard
i love video games

not sure if this makes me a furfag but not sure if I care either
would

>bro used a megaphone to advertise some AI 'creator' patreon
lmao

what's the deal with uaithane? I see everyone walking around with them +0. I know you upgrade the +15 tuned orna into uaithane but do you not enhance the uaithane?
sounds based as fuck

Oh shit, Vindictus thread, nice!
How's the state of the original game in [current year]? Think last I played, Achel was the latest character. Spent most of my time raising alts up to the end of Season 3, and running that "Pit of 100 Trials"-style stage for EXP/AP.

Do you still have to whale your ass off to get anything done in Season 4?
Recall making it to some minotaur boss before coming to terms with the fact that my gear was just too subpar to continue, and there wasn't a clear way to improve it. Wanted to see the rest of the story at least, but I never met the requirements to join raid chains; and again, didn't really know how to get past the freebie gear given to me, outside of dropping thousands of dollars on Enhance/Enchant Runes or whatever.

Is Fiona still top-tier, by chance? Characters with reliable blocks/counters were head-and-shoulders better than those who didn't have them, barring Gun!Hurk who was in pretty good standing. Kais were kick-on-sight from most "serious" boats as well, from what I recall.

I'm guessing Pawnshop Ghosts is beyond dead at this point as well, right?

i think about coming back to it since forever. last i heard tho is that the fatigue system cucked the game pretty hard is this true?

>>1864196
>Do you still have to whale your ass off to get anything done in Season 4?
can't speak on before too much since I wasn't playing but it's not that hard to get into raids. You can start doing 110s pretty much straight with the free leveling gear, and you can probably get into 115s just by finishing the play guide and getting your set of +15 ardri, which the hardest part about is just getting a group to let you bum your first set of Redeemers and clear the story mission at the end of them. However the 125 update is coming in like 3-4 weeks on the 12th and it comes with new free gear and things will probably change a bit, I don't know the details too much I'm just grinding my daily gold because they're nerfing the tuning cost on 115 gear that you upgrade into the 120 gear. In general the gearing system is a lot less RNG and a lot more mass material farming for guaranteed upgrades. You don't even enhance the 120 gear anymore.

People really aren't that stingy with boats for the most part. It's a far cry from the season 2 kraken days. Never seen anyone care what character you're playing, but counter characters are still "meta" I guess.

The current whale content is space time distortions

>>1864557
uhhh it's pretty much impossible to run out of fatigue with vvip which you get gifted a lot of and can buy from the marketplace. Even without it I don't think it's much of a problem.

>>1864602
I played way back when there where few characters only literally a year after release or so. I played with the shield and hammer lady.
any suggestion for a character to pick up now? and is there 4chin clan or something?

>>1864614
There are like 25 characters now, some with multiple weapons, and you honestly can't go wrong with most of them. Some might be harder, more technical/complex, require more boss knowledge, or be a bit out of favor but as long as you enjoy playing them it really doesn't matter.

I usually see people point to tiede hurk, kael, achel, letty, and belle as being good "beginner" characters that are easy to play. I would add sanyaa to this list as someone that is maining her because her iframes are extremely forgiving and basically allow you to chain invincibility through boss combos while doing damage with them.
Maybe "to avoid" would be lynn, delia, arisha. A bit more complicated to play and you really need to know your bosses.

I don't want to discourage you from picking anyone though. Most important is just liking the character's style and gameplay. You have to play them a lot. The game encourages alts to get more departures for raids and content as well, and it's easy to level up new characters (honestly probably takes like 5-6 hours to get to 110 which is where current content starts)

>>1864637
Oh I'll add lann to "avoid" just because he's extremely gear dependent, particularly sword lann. If you don't have capped crit you functionally can't play him because his mechanics rely on landing crits.

>>1864557
it's annoying if you want to grind out a huge session, but I just run a few dungeons and pack it up.

my life when trying to set up new alts to make more money every day
gotta do it anyways but I wish the weapon runes weren't locked behind the redeemer clears as an extra annoyance

royal army raids do a good job of making you feel useless lmao.

>>1865481
hey 11% in a RAR is pretty good in my book
58% has to be the highest I've seen though, gear is going brrrr

>>1865495
i got them again in the next one and they did 57%, I tried to check their gear that time but they left too fast.. the powers of an oiled up gal in a too small bikini

>>1865495
>>1865499
oh.. they're #2 on the M.ATT rankings thing. I forgot you can search from name and inspect that way

>>1865502
>they're #2 on the M.ATT rankings thing
wait there's a ranking for that? where do you see it?

>>1864602
Many thanks for the insight.
Your comments about Sanyaa made me install the game again, at least for a bit. Luv me dual-blade assassins in other titles.
Always wanted to give an evasion character a shot, but lategame really felt purpose-built for block-and-counter classes instead. Considering how spam-happy bosses in Season 4 get, it'll be interesting to see how well she can survive later on.

A few questions about Sanyaa, if you'll forgive me being a blatant scrub:
1) What's her optimal gameplan attack-wise? Is entering Playful then spamming Play Rough's 3-hit chain ideal, or is that moreso something you do as filler when dodging attacks?
2) I've noticed occasionally getting a healthy Stamina boost (plus bonus damage) from /something/, but I'm still not sure what triggers it. Gaining 5 stacks on her petal meter, maybe?
3) Should you burn your counter whenever it's up, or only use it for a quick way to get your Playful buff active again? Orrrr possibly save it for an emergency i-frame when necessary?
4) Unrelated to Sanyaa specifically, but where the hell is the Comrade menu? I SWEAR I had an unlimited-use Regina and Siete when I last played about two years ago, but for the life of me I cannot find where they went.

Also, the Story Skip function is such a welcome change. Doesn't skip-over everything, granted, and I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone new to the game use it at all on their first character. But as someone who's dabbled in this game off-and-on over the years, being able to breeze through the early Seasons in just a couple of hours each is fantastic.

>>1865805
>1
Generally, from what I've seen other people say, when you're full sandbagging both LLRR and LLLRR are pretty much optimal and on a similar level of DPS. LLRR has the advantage that it gets an extra smash attack from the LLR smash, which means you get an extra trigger from Detect Weakness, and in addition the final hit of LLRR recovers stamina. Personally I prefer to use LLLRR myself just because I think it feels better as a combo but the stamina regen of the LLRR is super nice if you're getting low.

In regards to play rough, generally you want to use it at the end of a boss combo and tab through everything else since the tab gives you a ton of iframes to catch continuous attacks in and just keep DPSing. It's worth noting that the buff you get from i-framing something will buff the entire play rough string that you use it on, not just the first hit. That's why you use it at the end of a boss attack since if you can't get all three play through strings off with the buff you're better off tabbing.

The backflip can instant cancel pretty much any action you perform into an iframe, use it to keep up pressure and really push your number of LLRR/LLLRR strings to the limit
ALWAYS use crescent kick off cooldown as soon as you possibly can, it does absolutely ridiculous damage.
Thief's mark is very strong as well and should be used as often as you can but keep in mind it has a short iframe in the first part (where you mark them) and a second much longer iframe in the second part where you lunge, so you can use it to offensively obtain Allegro a lot of the time.
Vanishing Dance gives you an iframe on every single activation of it, I often use it through annoying to dodge boss combos for what is basically a free invincibility period to keep damage up.
Take flight is weird. It has a nice stagger on some bosses that allow but it has a really dogshit hitbox that means most of the hits just miss if they're not very big or up against a wall or something. Low Prio.

>>1865829
>cont

>2
this was partially explained but yeah, getting 5 stacks gives you back stamina and also the LLRR string restores stamina on hit. It turns the LLRR into a monster of stamina recovery, though I don't *usually* have much of an issue with stamina on her

>3
Yeah, burn your counter all the time. One thing to keep in mind is that you can also cancel your animations into it, meaning you can push those smash strings even more, use it to get iframes instantly and do damage, and then keep tabbing until the end of the boss combo.
You may have also noticed that sometimes it can be annoying to actually get your allegro from the dodge depending on the attack, stuff like lunges can be kind of inconsistent. In my experience the tab is much better at getting the allegro buff to trigger, so I always prefer dodging with the tab where possible. Generally, if I know a boss attack is coming again immediately, I'll hold off on tabbing until the attack is incoming rather than tabbing, getting some weird positioning, and then missing the iframe because the boss wasn't even aiming at me by the end of it or something.
So for me it's basically:
>is the boss attacking me?
Try to iframe everything and use tab as much as I can
>is the boss in downtime or attacking someone else so that I can target it safely?
LLLRR

You might find this useful, it's where that flowchart comes from and where I started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUlIoOO6Os

>4
I actually have no clue I don't have any followers kek, only some unactivated ones on old characters.

And yeah, the story skip is great. Story skip + region skip to jump straight to bosses makes it very fast. For some reaosn there are a two specific quests in a row season 3 that don't let you skip region though, no clue why.

Sorry if I was rambling through the explanations, I think you'll figure it out. She's really fun to play and it feels SUPER good when you get in the rhythm and just obliterate the boss.

>>1865805
>1
The other poster covered it, but the main thing is Play Rough for damage and tab flip for iframes, stamina recovery, or to refresh your buff timer. You'll also want to keep your backstep bound to a hotkey. The animation lock on LLLRR is relatively long for a modern character, backstep and Thief's Mark both let you cancel at any point of an animation so they're your bail out buttons for when you overcommit. Just full send on LLRR and LLLRR and if you can't dodge cancel them in time use backstep or Thief's Mark. Just make sure to not overcommit if both are on CD. Sanyaa also generates a lot more SP than she can spend so she's one of those characters that I'd use Werewolf Paw for your DPS artifact.
>2
Yes, it is from filling out her meter. Generally you go for hit count if you're low on stamina. SP skills, tab flip, and LLRR are the main ways you fill it up. Notably Take Flight will usually generate ~2 full procs almost instantly refilling your stamina.
>3
I believe optimal play is to just spend it immediately on a Play Rough/flip. There are some weird rules about when using the iframe on the flip gives you another buff, so holding it often prevents you from chaining flips through the next combo string. You already have numerous cancel options with backstep/thief's mark so saving it for that is a bit overkill.
>4
Comrades are character bound, so they may be tied to whatever old character you had them on. There are ways to transfer a comrade if you have multiple but it's a stupid system for how expensive it is.

only having to do deemers once on your alts for the full stats after maxing the stats out the first time is so nice

>>1865641
I think it's C by default to open the character sheet that shows your name, guild, titles, stats etc, and under the character picture there's a Rank # (or a - if you're a noob like me) you can click that to view global rankings

>>1865829
>>1865849
>>1865851
Oh my, thank you both for such a detailed breakdown!
It's great to see knowledgeable Anon willing to help relative newcomers here, especially for an MMO of this vintage. How is this game over SIXTEEN YEARS old already, bloody hell. Still remember playing the closed beta...!

I do suppose the only real way an evasion-type character would be able to hold their own later on, is for them to secretly be a block-and-counter style character in disguise (or dodge-and-counter in this case).
Totally fine by me, granted, as Fiona used to be my main back in the day. Would much rather be landing those sweet, sweet counters and reveling in i-frames - getting damage and protection alike - than trying to weave dodges inbetween the obscene barrage of attacks some bosses can throw out towards the lategame (from what I've seen anyway).

Sanyaa's been a blast to play so far, although I'm sure the extent of her kit's capabilities won't become apparent 'til the end of Season 3 or so. Can practically just button-mash through the earlier Seasons, which is fun in a mindless sort of way, but seldom indicates how well a character will stack-up later on.
Interesting to see the structure of some of the early goings has changed as well when speeding through it, with Twilight Desert actually having a few stages show up now, rather than it being almost entirely bypassed with the old story-skip system. Appearing right at the end of most levels is a /massive/ time-save as well. Very much welcome, even if not having to kill monsters along the way has lost me some Transformation EXP (for what that matters).

Hopefully the latter-half of Chapter 3 is similarly pared-down via the current story-skip. Felt like you were trapped in that underground shantytown forever before, certainly comprised the bulk of where you'd be spending your time when raising a new character from 1-115 just a couple of years ago.

>>1866682
Yeah she's like a counter character that requires a lot less boss knowledge to play. I feel like a lot of the stand-still spacebar block characters really require you to know your attack windows for things, Sanyaa has such quick short combos and easy iframes that you can kinda just keep mashing buttons and make it out alive but also gives you room to get really efficient damage if you know the patterns.

Also you can pretty much do the story skips up until season 4, there's still a few they offer you there but you have to start running back and forth more. Fortunately there are a lot less missions you have to go through overall, it goes pretty quick.
And get used to holding ctrl because they yap like crazy.

found grimace

I have no clue how anyone has any idea what's happening in redeemers, literally can't see shit and I just facetank so much damage. Also runs like shit.

I miss when even F2P korean proto-gacha games had gameplay.

Whew...!
Just beat Romel solo with nothing but freebie gear. Thank goodness Sanyaa is absolutely spoiled with i-frames and copious counterattack damage. Her dodge links into counter, any hit of Play Rough links into counter (which always feels great to pull off), hell- it even feels like her counter links into itself sometimes. Haven't any doubt this would've been real rough on nearly any other character (besides maybe Fiona or Achel).

Evidently, Season 4's early stock of bosses were indeed nerfed to quite a large degree since last I played... But only up to a point. Its 105-grade encounters are total pushovers now, yet everything past Tarathan - the farthest boss I had reached two years ago - is just as strong as it's always been.
What a tease to finally be able to make progress in Season 4's storyline, only to be met with an immediate brick wall as soon as I've picked-up from where I left off.

Did join a Guild, but they're pretty small compared to the megaguilds on NA, and I got put in their secondary/alt Guild rather than their primary one (for now). Hesitant to do much with 'em, since it's blatantly clear I'm more of a liability than an asset with this free gear of mine. Don't even qualify for the Quick Battle of Abyssal Arena 2 somehow, which certainly wasn't the case last I played.
What's the typical course of action for newcomers at this point? Even this crazy, pre-enchanted +12 Ardri gear feels like it's just barely letting me scrape by on a blatantly cheesy character like this one. Apparently I missed some insane event doling-out pre-enchanted/enhanced Orna gear, which majorly sucks.
With how beyond horrifying the gearing process is in Maple (to the point where buying ~$300-4,000+ pieces of equipment off the illegal gray market from other players is considered the "smart/cheap" way of gearing), I'm real hesitant to see just how bad the pay2win progression gets with this title in [current year].

>>1868931
Romel is one of my favorites to smack on sanyaa, his attacks are really wide and sweeping usually which makes getting the iframes easy and you can really push damage when he's spamming waves at you during the two mechanics.

And yeah, you can pretty much do 110s out of the gate with free gear. You kind of have to if you want to upgrade it because the Ardri enhancement runes in the playguide are locked behind both doing your redeemers runs and doing 6 runs of all of the 110s. The general progression right now is just finish the play guide, get the +15 gear, and then work on upgrading from orna into uaithne which you do with expertise once your orna is fully tuned. It's all kind of changing on the 12th though with 125 cap and huge tuning cost reductions on the orna gear. I'm just doing my 110s + RME/RAR on two character and 115s on my main with last events +14 orna armor and the +15 ardri weapon to hoard gold and buy out important stuff like twilight brooch and compass + accessory levels.

>Apparently I missed some insane event doling-out pre-enchanted/enhanced Orna gear, which majorly sucks.
The event gave free +14 orna gear but I don't think it's that big of a deal at the end of the day with the new level cap coming. People who finished the play guide with their +15 ardri sets pretty easily still compete with my main who has the event stuff, but I might just be bad at the game who knows.
+15 ardri weapon is debatably better than a +14 untuned orna weapon too.

Also make sure you do your daily missions to get your greater artifact from the daily mission ticket exchange (20 tickets). You can get some extra tickets from your revenant tower clear too.

>>1868967
>You kind of have to if you want to upgrade it because the Ardri enhancement runes in the playguide are locked behind both doing your redeemers runs and doing 6 runs of all of the 110s
oh yeah also ardri seal shop, you get +15 for free basically after just a few days