How come other MMO's haven't been able to top Runescape in quest design? Even single player open world games struggle.

>>1854881 (OP)
because they all copy each other

>>1854881 (OP)
Gower brothers had SOVL, modern soidevs, jeets, and MBA-holders do not.

Because
1) Runescape wasn't designed like a proper MMO for most of its lifespan. You can still argue that the multiplayer element still barely matters to its game design, so they put more focus on the solo content.
2) Other MMOs actually have some pretty good quests, it was just more typical that you negros would install add-ons n' shit to blaze past all the dialogue, exploration, and interactions that went into them. People are starting to feel similarly about OSRS's quests now that Quest Helper exists
3) Other MMOs put focus on dungeons to be where more mechanically involved and story-driven encounters could be, which Runescape never really had. Even in their most recent full-on Raids, they still don't match other MMOs

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Wizardry Online was also very good

>>1856183
I should also mention Black Desert Online.
I'm not sure if they still do them but they used to do massive summer events with special mystery questlines. They were very fun to do and the first few people to solve every puzzle got special prizes. Incredibly difficult to solve though and would often require outside game help or insane game knowledge. Some were jumping puzzles which were nice.

>>1855232
they should unironically ban quest helper

SWTOR has better writing, but its gameplay means that you only have 'kill enemy' and 'right click on environment asset' as options. Runescape is a point and click adventure game so every quest feels way more varied even if the stories are way simpler.

>>1859450
>SWTOR has better writing
in the class stuff yeah but all of the generic planet quests sucked, they all got very formulaic and you had little interaction in terms of story with them.

>explain your problem to me
>explain your problem to me but i'm an asshole
>reject quest (you will never select this because quest grinding is the primary way to get XP)

>>1857010
But think about the streamers.

>>1857010
I think it's just too indicative of the playerbase. Don't forget, this is a community where the talking heads felt comfortable to literally say
>yeah, so, you want separate servers without the Grand Exchange
>yeah, that won't last
>like, you dumbos, what about that gratification of selling all your slayer drops and getting all the ding ding dings and cash coming in
>you don't know what you're actually asking for
most people don't actually appreciate the setting or buying into the idea of adventure, it's all just content for XP and GP (although in all fairness, this is also partially Jagex's fault due to all the subscription incentives scheming + increasing prices)

>>1854881 (OP)
Every single MMO other than runescape uses quests as a means of progression whereas runescape uses them for exploration and world building.

You'll have your exceptions, but for every Scarab Lord questline in WoW, there's 500 collect bear ass quests.