Thread 1870084

D.va the Destroyer Edition

>Latest PTR
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>Latest live update
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24206703/heroes-of-the-storm-live-patch-notes-june-2-2025

Here, have a bump and a sassy child

Leoric's trait incentivizes feeding meaning he's a badly designed hero or at least his trait is

>>1870155
Cleave or bonus single target damage incentivizes feeding?

>>1870155
>Leoric
>not Tyrael

>>1870084 (OP)
op image downgrade

>>1870084 (OP)
op image upgrade

I'll admit it. Nothing in this game makes me happier than purposefully throwing a won match to spite a Genji player.

>typing anything after you died 8 times in a 24 minute game
that's a report

>>1871401
What if it's the tank, nobody else is dying and your team is winning?

>>1871926
there are no excuses for dying every 3 minutes

>>1872280
>t. the shitty healer

what does this say about the player?

>>1873863
actual woman dragged into it by her mate who never had any ambition or curiosity to try anything else

>>1873863
Pure alpha behavior or a bot. Abathur is not only the best hero, he's also completely unique to HotS.

I'M GONNA HECKIN' SOOOAK! I'M SOOOAKIN'! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

any europeans want to play?

>>1874634
Post heroes and modes you play.

>>1874642
currently playing ARAM because I haven't played for 5 months. I mainly play supp like Raegar, whitemane and probably some others I forgot here

>>1874644
morales and anduin too

>>1874647
Morales reminds me of a cool morales autist here who shared a great guide

>>1874644
>Raegar
yo is that a dragon from game of thrones

>>1874650
I had hoped he started to throw hands with people like in the game but that wasn't the case to my utter dismay

>my 4-man squad: dude bros dude broing
>their 4-man squad: 99.7% WR smurfs

>>1876082
I have a policy to throw every game with a sweaty 4-stack

>>1876082
protips for cheating the system in qm is to queue up as Uther + another healer + 3 cc heavy damage dealers and just 1shot everything and laugh because the enemy team doesn't have a tank. This is what I see most often when playing vs a high wr 5 stack

>>1876112
I take the free win, type nothing, and then report them all for all fields as soon as the match is over. The decision to merge solo players with 4 man groups was the dumbest possible thing the devs ever did with this game

I've had it with the ego typing (even pre-match), winrate spotting/posting, shut the fuck up nigga, you're barely gold 1, you are not good at the game, no one in these lobbies is good.

>>1876640
Better yet are the shit talking smurfs who literally choose to play in lower elo then shit talk all game about how you're not playing to their standards

why do I have that everytime I launch the game and why isn't it using all my internet speed

>>1876815
nevermind it's because the game and the launchers aren't in the same language, so fucking stupid

>>1876816
>nevermind it's because the game and the launchers aren't in the same language, so fucking stupid
It's not that, I don't have to download anything when using Battle.net and HotS in different languages.

Update today?

>>1870129
NOT SO FAST!

>>1877552
>Alex with abs
Gross, she is supposed to be soft

Bro, all I wanted is just the 20 wins chest, not even 50
My fucking bad I guess
Whoever said sl is better than quick meme must be one of those smurfs/stackers that keep farming low ranks

>>1878388
play ARAM if you want to farm chests
play SL if you're a big boy/girl

why are cyrillic names so common on EU I can't deal with this server

>>1878915
Game is very popular among russians and there's no region lock
I will tell you more - even among the latin letter names there are a lot of russians

WELL?

>>1880321
Li Li's rewards are cuter, so went with her. I prefer Mal'Ganis as a playable hero, though.

>>1880321
I'm not a furry but...

>Alarak buffs went through
FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU

>Catapults no longer give 1 experience.
why

>season has been out for 2 months only
feels like 20

refunding

>>1880321
nobody uses malganis imao

>lili healing buffed by 25%
WHAT THE FUCK

>>1881631
it's 20%

>>1881631
>>1881702
good. she was absolutely garbage
her heroics should've been buffed too

tourist here
how do I keep camera lock on without having to hold space (I only play aram)

>>1881873
press L in a match or change the camera mode in options.

>>1881866
>she was
she still is dogshit

>>1881890
Cant be worse than alex or morales

>>1881911
>can't be
yes it can

gl if you're paired with me lmao

>>1882216
I think leveling medivh was actually the least fun I've had with any hero. Even butcher was better.

cool nexxomania event? I get a li li portrait I will never use, 2 sprays I will never use, and a useless announcer speaking in mexican

>>1883570
noob ?
you also get a free chest

>>1883652
give me a sexy skin or fuck off

I request a gata alex skin, the ones she has are terrible
>capeshit costume
>ugly undead

>35k gold

Noticing a lot of gold sink mounts and skins recently. Good thing I've got like 200k cuz this mount is sick

>>1884138
Gotta empty everyone's gold reserves before they can release anything new. #hopium #totallynotdead

>>1884138
I bought it before realizing there aren't a lot of hero skins that synergize with it too well

How did she torture Illidan for 10000 years?

>>1886345
Imagine her flaunting her perfect body and cute tummy to you for a year without you being allowed to even sniff her then multiply that by 10,000

>I pick azmo
>5 people go after my fat storages
>enemy pick azmo
>nobody dives him
???

>me play hero, up against 5 grandmaster stack
>enemy play hero, up against me (grandmaster) and 4 bronzies
???

>play hero
>enemy stay in base as hero
???

Why are priests so greedy?

Valla wants to help Anduin!
Valla wants to help Anduin!
Valla wants to help Anduin!
Valla wants to help Anduin!
Anduin notes Valla will respawn in 40 seconds!
Anduin can use Leap of Faith in 20 seconds!

>>1886351
but he's blind.

>>1889300
good point, I don't know how you torture a blind man sorry

>>1889383
ASMR is a thing or she smells nice

>>1889383
>>1886351
But she would let him sniff. She would get close and let him feel her close.
Edging him for 10,000 years but never letting him finish.

if "being alive" to zoomers is receiving ill-fitting advertisement that players have to pay to wear then i am glad that it's "dead"

wonder who's in charge of rotating the worst brawls ever every 2 weeks

>>1891397
Payload Hanamura is a good brawl THOUGH

their team
>fights inside their hammer's range
my team
>gets kited outside our hammer's range

Diablo heroes > Nexus heroes > Overwatch heroes > Warcraft heroes > Starcraft heroes

>>1892873
Well you're 1/5th right

>>1892873
Diablo/warcraft>Starcraft>Nexus>Cow fertilizer>Overwatch

>>1894221
Diablo/warcraft>Starcraft/Orphea>Cow fertilizer>Overwatch>(infinite gap)>qh*ra

>>1894697
>Infinite silence AOE at 20 that moves
NIGGER HERO

>>1894697
imagine including this absolute monstrosity of a DEI special OC in the same game as Alarak or Diablo or Arthas

Racemix with Qhira

why do people expect others to have perfect knowledge and mastery of every hero, I don't play healers so I'm going to pick the fun looking talents on Li Li and if you're not happy that's not my problem

>>1895070
>Lili
>Fun
Not memeing here, name a single fun talent of hers

>>1895079
I press R and a water dragon hoses you for 70% slow then I hit you with my teacup

>>1894929
At least she's fun to play and represents a niche gameplay archetype.

>>1894697

make her wasteland skin her default and give her more interesting voice lines and personality more akin to a thrill seeker traveling between universes looking for interesting bounties and she might have been recieved a smidge better

you have 1mm of visible health left and you are given two options
>a) dive into 5 people who gave up on chasing you
>b) keep running away and hearth
question theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GcBGhV047A

>>1895958
The scenario is unrealistic. Why are 5 people chasing one? Doesn't it mean that kill is extremely valuable to secure, possibly game-ending? In which case, does escaping and hearthing (healing + travel time = at least 20 seconds) change anything?

>>1895971
alarak with 300 sadism

>>1895978
Why is Alarak with 300 sadism being chased by 5 people? What happened to the rest of his team? If they're dead, do you think Alarak can defend core against 5 people?

>>1895983
>Why is Alarak with 300 sadism being chased by 5 people?
lucky etc dance combo wiped everyone else
>If they're dead, do you think Alarak can defend core against 5 people?
nobody said anything about the game being near its end

>>1895984
If Alarak has 300 sadism (an unrealistic scenario in itself), then the game is near its end. Heroes are most likely around level 25 and can right click the core and afk.

>>1895987
>likely
may i introduce you to quick match slugfest matches where only two players total know how to push

>>1895990
>getting upset over a QM match where an obvious alarak god gets overconfident during a non decisive moment
I'm sure you can find better things to care about

>>1895996
>non decisive
occurrences can be decisive without directly resulting in a core wipe within the next minute

>>1896000
Yeah, like your shit ass being caught in a 4 man mosh pit and leaving him alone.

>#1 korean Alarak with 4 trillion sadism can't save his W for a Mosh
Huh?

Nice to see the bitch posting continues

let's talk about Cassia's tits instead

To whoever is making the urbadiAFK accounts go fuck yourself

>>1896199
Don't be bad next time

>>1896097
can we talk about alex boobs and tummy instead?

zera rapes tracer so well
so refreshing to punish those smug cunts

>>1896398
I usually don't have a problem with Zera or at least trade even if he dives me. Valeera on the other hand...

>>1896655
he probably goes some meme build like AA zera which only gets good late game where 1v1ing a lone tracer becomes increasingly rare

Wish i had hands to play zera

>>1896663
post your build, i'm curious
if anything his AA build is the only non-meme build

>>1897890
AA build is good in theory but you need korean micro and decision making and you're just not that good so it's a meme build in practice
Q build is simpler to play and higher impact if they're forced to clump

The better healer lost, again

>>1897924
AA just needs practicing
Q is way too inconsistent and unreliable in my experience, frankly if you go Q you might as well pick a ranged mage instead which does the same job but better and safer

>>1897952
one 20Q + might of the nerazim Q on 3 heroes = 3236 damage or 1477 damage scaled down to level 0 values
that's almost 500 damage per target, every 3s
AA build can't do that, most mages can't do that

add a nanoboost and Q build zera can legit 1v5

I'm downloading this piece of crap again...

>>1897966
500 damage a target at level 20 every 3 seconds. Is that a joke? Do you know what a jaina can do with blizzard build or zarya with full energy?

>>1897989
Misread that, still 1k every 3 seconds is trash compared to a lot of other completed builds.

>>1897989
>500 damage a target at level 20
no it's 500 damage at LEVEL 0, which I think is easier to picture. a squishy typically has around 1500 hp or less at level 0

Valla: 1340 hp
Jaina: 1365 hp
Malfurion: 1525 hp

so straight up, Q+R which takes no micro skill would chunk these heroes for a third of their hp, and a repeat comes after 3s
from the moment zera attacks to 3 seconds later = 66% hp gone
some mages like jaina can do that but not as safely (zera heals for 60% hp of it)

>>1897996
OK now do jaina with blizzard reset at 7, or imp with brand of solarion, or zarya with full energy or greymane with alpha killer and cleave at 20. You're acting like that damage exists in a vacuum and doesn't need to be compared to other heroes who can do just as much much more safely and easily.

>>1898002
let me make it simple for you
can these heroes 1v5 with the right build?
zera? yes
jaina? yes
greymane? no
zarya? no

>>1897966
>>1897996
the damage can be good, but i still wouldn't go for Q
Q is dead weight until 16 and completes at 20, meanwhile AA isn't dead weight from 4, is active at 7, and completes at 10
being a stat padder until 16 might not get you to 20, or even 16, because my experience with Q was having top damage and no kills, as opposed to AA which nets in kills but low total damage
it feels like playing murky to be honest

Ok I remember why I don't like this game

oh god i just had a medivh in my team who played like i do with medivh
oh god

>Raven's Intellect
I afk, gln

i hate qhira so god damn much

>>1898006
You're retarded. A gm or zarya can absolutely shit out way more damage than your stupid Q build zera

>>1898154
ok why and dont answer with
>S-SHES BROWN

>>1898165
no they can't

alright final answer to best zera build:
AA+Q
lmao
you can actually have both

>>1898175
Lol good argument retard. At level 20 with just the cleave talent and no wizened duelist or alpha killer, just the base auto attack damage hits for 2k damage a second on 3 targets. That's way more than 3k every 3 seconds. With a maxed wizened duelist and alpha killer it becomes a truly disgusting 3k damage every second. Zarya with feel the heat hits those 3 targets for about 1900 a second also just using her auto attack and no other abilities.

>>1898171
shitload of self sustain, damage, health, mobility and above all, CC
>dont answer with
>S-SHES BROWN
you know, one day i realized i'm not actually a hardcore racist, i just hate pieces of shits, and qhira happens to be one

>>1898183
ah yes I'm sure real player-controlled heroes just sit there while gaymane autoattacks them because it's so free right?

>>1898185
Lol, lmao. This is your fucking cope? I knew you were stupid but holy shit.

>>1898187
my dummy testing: realistic against real players, zera's Q cast time is literally ZERO, it's instant, in other words not counterable unless you can frame stun the zera when he blinks in

your dummy testing: ah yes these 3 heroes just sit there and let gaymane autoattack them for 100% uptime (and zera's autos deal 0 damage now for an even more unfair comparison) I win the argument

lol who's coping

>>1898196
>he can't do that much damage because he just can't ok
>oh he literally does 3 times as much in the same time frame
>just let me start coping about how the enemy won't let you kill them as if that's not true for literally any assassin
OK let's see what happens if I just use blunderbuss and attack speed increase instead. Oh shit he does literally 1200 damage from a range of 6.6 onto just two targets. Face it retard. Your zeratul build is a meme for a reason and your assertion that no other heroes could do that type of damage when the damage you're so impressed by is fucking pathetic compared to so many other heroes just shows that you're trash at the game.

>>1898206
And fuck. A Q build imperius with a 3 man spear is doing 5k damage a second. A jaina just pressing E on three targets can hit 2300 a second with no other abilities. A slam build Sonya can do 1500 damage a second to two targets without even using wrath. 3k every 3 seconds isn't impressive no matter how you try to pretend it is.

>>1898206
the whole argument started because we were comparing ease of dealing team-wide damage in frequent, uncounterable bursts (Q build zera) to a higher, sustained damage AA duelist build

and your brilliant counter-argument for that is muh max stack greymane and muh max energy zarya deal MORE damage!!! as if these don't run into the same issues as the previously mentioned AA zera, which is that you WON'T get 100% uptime AA you genius

>>1898222
Your argument was
>wow he does 1k damage per target every 3 seconds that's more than anyone else does
Which is objectively not even close to true
>I can't maintain energy on zarya
sounds like you're just shit at the game. Also I specifically said I didn't have any stacks on gm you fucking illiterate retard. Literally just taking ranged splash he can sit at Raynors attack range and shit out more damage than your Q build zeratul without pressing a single button. If you're taking zeratul and trying to aoe burst down an entire team you're stupid and bad and there's no way around it and pretending it's the optimal play, or that he's better at doing it than literally half the games roster, is fucking funny.

>>1898231
post your greymane's winrate, should be in the 60s if you can 1v5 with your 6.6 range autoattacker

>>1898222
>>1898231
Perhaps, to really go a step further, you can explain to me Zeratuls Q build is not only his lowest winrate build in SL, but is also like 15% winrate lower than GMs worgen build? Is it because it's so much stronger and easier to use lol?

>>1898235
Nice cope retard. Post your zeratul one and your rank. Then read this >>1898237 and answer my question

>>1898237
post yours I asked first. referring to other people's statistics is the kind of cope that leads you to believe medivh is a bad hero lol

>>1898238
https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Talents/Zeratul?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=2.55&game_type=sl&league_tier=Master&statfilter=win_rate&build_type=HP%20Algorithm&mirror=0

https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Talents/Greymane?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=2.55&game_type=sl&league_tier=Master&statfilter=win_rate&build_type=Popular&mirror=0

>>1898239
>if it's not anecdotal evidence it's cope
holy fucking retard lol.

>>1898244
yeah it because it comes from a silver shitter who goes to heroesprofile instead of having actual game experience lol
also I said Q build zera is easier to play than AA zera, not that your basic bitch Raynor+ autoattacker is somehow more difficult so you've been bringing up completely unrelated shit and deflecting all hour long

>>1898246
>if you use actual stats to argue that a build is stronger it shows you're silver
Lol, the cope is real. Post rank retard.
>I literally can't keep my energy bar full on zarya
Yeah, I'm sure you're a real pro lol.

>>1898250
who's the bronzie who brought up max stacks gayfurry in the first place as if it's realistic against non-dummy heroes? oh wait that was you lol
>With a maxed wizened duelist and alpha killer
totally being fair with the variables here and reflective of someone with a lot of game experience lol

>>1898255
>At level 20 with just the cleave talent and no wizened duelist or alpha killer, just the base auto attack damage hits for 2k damage a second on 3 targets
>literally can't read
I'm so sorry for you. You were the first to ask to see personal stats. So post yours or concede that you're gold with a 52% winrate on zeratul in SL at best lol.

>>1898259
you wouldn't need to bring MUH MAX STACKS 10 TRILLION SADISM GREYLARAKRYA DEALS A BILLION DAMAGE PER NANOSECOND into your "argument" if it was honest in the first place, sorry but that shows dishonesty

post stats you silver surfer and DONT include vs AI stats because these don't behave like real players!!!

>>1898182
The 'best' build is probably the single target burst damage with singularity spike bonus damage and such, but the most fun by far is the Wormhole and Cleave build with the spell damage healing at 20.

>>1898265
>ignores all the other heroes I mentioned and hyper fixates on the gm
>can't do simple math
lol, lmao. 2k is a bigger number than 500 lol. Keep coping

>>1898265
>literally ignores what was said
>you're being dishonest
wew lad

bored of this argument now
don't ever reply to me again until you provide proof you're not a metal leaguer

>>1898289
>starts bitching posting
>is entirely unwilling to put his money where his mouth is
Fucking redditors I swear. If you were anything other than a passive aggressive woman you would simply leave when you got bored instead of actively trying to show how bored you are by continuing to post. It's fine though. Zeratuls cleave winrate is lowest compared to his AA winrate at high ranks and closest in low ranks so I don't even need to see your rank to know what it is lol.

>>1898289
I'm unranked :^)

>>1897968
Ganbatte Daigo-chan, this game is not that bad
>>1897940
>10 deaths on fucking artanis
>talking about bad decisions

>>1898986
he died for Aiur

Uninstalled again, this game, and everyone like it, are simply the subhuman magnet. You just know the moment you see one of these new life service, battle pass, chests, balance patch every two weeks team games, to expect an avalance of actual turd sucking low lives to swarm it like cockroaches. No self respecting person aboe the IQ of 70 will EVER sit down and waste their time playing this unskilled trash of a game. YOU are fucking stupid, the people who made this game are fucking stupid, the only ones who aren't stupid are the ones who can take a single look at these irrelevant time wasting circus performances 'games' and scoff while going about his day.
OH MY FUCKIGN GOD
I can't believe I actually decided to waste another day on this fucking mongoloid containment cage. It's actually really my fault

Enjoy your perpetual misery and impoverishment, retards. No one who plays this game should be allowed to vote or hold a job.

imagine letting some casual hero brawler mindbreak you to that extent, just try to have fun buddy

>>1899020
what ranked does to a mf

>>1899020
This is why I only play Quick Match.

i hate lili
i don't want it in my team, i don't want it in the enemy team

I love li li and how positive and funny she is plus she runs fast for a small panda

you just want to put your dick inside it

I'm not a furry or a pedo

uh huh

You are a meanie

Can Li Li realistically solo bosses after her healing buff?

>>1899376
all ranged heroes with self sustain can solo bosses technically, it's just incredibly stupid and takes too long for a healer

>>1899202
Being a furry is cringe

How do I space goat girl

>>1899585
Charge leap, jump behind enemy, pop instant, hammer swat them towards your team, hope they're smart enough to capitalize on stunned enemy.

>>1899585
if they don't have too many interrupts, W7 is really good and lets you zoom around at lunara speed

>>1899585
Distract em with your fat draenei ass

why does Varian have Garrosh's ult on a 16s cd

>>1900042
Because thats his only good ability

why is garrosh's ult 5 times as strong as varians ult with only 3 times the cooldown

>>1900089
Decimate has 3x the cooldown of taunt?

Why do retards insist on replying to me?

why does Auriel have Rehgar's ult on a 4s cd

why does medivh have uther's ult on a 9s(later 4s) cd?

mediv noob
nasibo top
nsibo
nasibo u suck

Why does butcher have tyreals ult on a 15 sec cd?

>ult
Only two heroes have ults and both are Overwatch heroes. Do you guys mean heroics?

ult is shorter to type and means the same thing you nerd

Pulse Bomb and Self-Destruct are ults, they start off technically available, but with an empty resource meter and the meter must be charged up by certain actions, including dealing damage.
A typical ability bound to R by default is a heroic.

>>1900324
The most reddit post in the history of this thread

>>1900336
Proper terminology is reddit now? As expected of /hotsg/.

>>1900347
>being a pedantic faggot for no good reason
>bitch posting
>umm ackshually
Yes, go back

>>1900357
>>being a pedantic faggot for no good reason
D.Va gets to use both an ult and a heroic as different moves.
>>bitch posting
Nobody was bitching until you came along.
>>umm ackshually
Nobody used that word before you.
Keep coping.

>>1900364
Go back

>>1900389
>no argument
Go back

>>1900390
>no u

look at them, arguing like lovers do

>>1900324
Tracer is LITERALLY a HERO in Overwatch THO

>>1900324
and so is D.va, the HERO who saved South Korea and the nexus

wanna know how to pop your teammate medivh's blood vessel?
walk into a 1v3 under a fort, pretend you want to get away, make him open a portal right on top of you and don't click on it
it works flawlessly

>>1900741
>>1900742
They both have heroic abilities. Tracer's heroic doubles as an ult, while D.Va has an ult separately from her heroic.

>>1900836
what's the point of this pedantry? how often do you see players type "heroic" instead of "ult" or "R"

>>1900042
It only hits 1 person

>>1900852
>what's the point of this pedantry?
There is no pedantry here. It is a meaningful distinction for D.Va.
>how often do you see players type "heroic" instead of "ult" or "R"
I rarely see players type either "heroic" or "ult", most often it's R.

Why does Hanzo, a ranged assassin from the universe of Overwatch, have a level 4 talent named Explosive Arrows that is equivalent to the level 16 talent named Explosive Round of Nova, a ranged assassin from the universe of Starcraft? Isn't that called "dogshit balance?"

>>1900958
So then why the fuck did you type anything at all you stupid cunt? Holy fucking shit

Not only that, but the choices are also
>Nova: hmm do I become a bit more useful in fights or do i go from useless to decent at waveclear
>Hanzo: hmm how should i massacre minions today

>>1901075
Meant for >>1901065

>>1901069
Maybe because others were typing "ults" above me?
>resorting to bitch posting
Sad!

I miss all the funny memes from /vg/ and I lost my folder when my computer was kill does anyone have the one where li li and alarak are having tea

>>1901093
What bitch posting you pedantic retard, holy fuck it's impossible to keep up with the nonsense coming from your brain

>>1901113
You're bitching, so it's bitch posting.
>b-but it's ackshually when you reply witho-
That's called bitch replying, not bitch posting, my dear newfriend.

Why doesn't any hero say bitch or fuck

>>1901099
This is what you get for hoarding memes and never sharing.
/twg/ understood the consequences of burning the Library of Alexandria, and made sure history won't repeat itself.

>>1901160
do you have the meme or not

>>1901119
See>>1900470
Also it's funny that you spent like 5 posts kvetching over the use of ult instead of heoric only to accuse others of bitching
>I googled this term you used and it's ackhsually...
Get fucked you pedantic retard. I'm going to assume reddit loves that shit

>>1901207
I googled "bitch posting", realised it's not the correct term, somehow found out the correct term and made my reply in less than two minutes? I appreciate you thinking I have superhuman speed, but I don't even think that's googleable.

>>1901213
The disingenuousness is off the charts

>>1901216
Take your meds and stop shitting up the general whenever someone posts something you do not like.

>>1901219
>shits up general cuz someone said ult
>no u again
Kill yourself holy shit

>>1901224
>all retorts ever are "no u"
>discussing game terminology is shitting up
>complaining, flaming and not even making ad vocem arguments somehow is not shitting up
Quit posting.

>>1901227
>literally every response is a no u style response
>is upset when he's called out for it
>the discussion of proper terminology blah blah
>>1900288
This shit is pure semantics you faggot and you know it. Stop being a little cunt and trying to pretend this was meant to be a quality post about the game

Actually, it's called an ultimate evolution, not a clone. You probably don't even know what a clone is.

>>1901229
>This shit is pure semantics you faggot
see >>1900836

>>1901240
>I rarely see players type either "heroic" or "ult", most often it's R.
You already admitted the entire discussion is a meaningless quibble over semantics that has no practical application. Too late to backtrack and pretend it was a relevant point to bring up now.

>Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details
Describes your bullshit perfectly.

>>1901243
>that has no practical application
Wrong. Rarely saying "ult" or "heroic" =/= never saying "ult" or "heroic". Please learn to read.

>30-minute long, hard-fought game on Infernal Shrines
>it all comes down to the last obj
>both teams are nearing 30 skeletons killed
>major cooldowns have been exchanged
>D.va has 100% self-destruct charge to secure the last skeletons
>but her hp bar won't last much longer
>"I'm going to use my ult!" the D.va player yells in coms
>"ready!!" replies the team
>she Bunny Hops
>team too shocked to react to the 5-man wipe
>"What? I said I was going to ult"

>>1901246
>minor corrections that only serve to annoy people
Where you honestly confused and unable to follow the conversation because we said Tyreal had an ult?
>dude don't cross the street without checking for cars
>sees bus, walks in front of it
Fucking dumb cunt.

>>1901273
>Where you honestly confused and unable to follow the conversation because we said D.Va had an ult?
FTFY. And, as a D.Va player, yes. Now stop whining.

>>1901272
>typing out ult instead of just pinging the ability when it's ready
Nice headcanon scenario that demonstrates exactly zero practical use for the correct terminology

>>1901275
Who brought up DVa before you did?

>>1901283
My main point throughout the exchange was that D.Va has both an ult and a heroic. Of course I'm going to bring up the reason why the distinction matters at all.

>>1901286
>this distinction wasn't relevant until I brought it up
>I'm not being a pedantic faggot
lol, lmao

>>1901309
It's relevant in real matches where people chat. Now quit whining.

>>1901314
So it's not relevant here and now. And it's not relevant in any match between randoms who will use pings exclusively, or friends who will use voice.
>quit whining for the nth time
go back

>>1901327
>So it's not relevant here and now.
It concerns the game as a whole. Conversations held outside of the game affect player perception once in the game, including terms they're acquainted with and the meanings they assign to the terms.
>B-BUT
No more excuses. You're just looking for reasons to start shit and call people faggots and redditors. No way my correction really annoys you that much.

>>1901335
What part of
>someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details
There's no way you actually felt your original post was important or a genuine contribution to the game knowledge and discussion in the thread. And for someone who thinks I'm whining you've typed more words out than I have about this.

>>1901335
>uther says he's going to take his bubble ult
>I'm so confused what he meant by this and was unable to plan my build around it

>>1901346
>i-it's pedantry because... BECAUSE IT IS OKAY
It matters in real matches because of a character that has both an ult and a heroic. There is no pedantry here. Cope and seethe.
>And for someone who thinks I'm whining
You've been much more aggressive than me ITT and you can't actually disprove that there is a meaningful distinction. So yes, you're whining.

>>1901357
>>bubble ult
>>I'm so confused what he meant by this
Correct. I'd do a double take at the word "ult", then I'd have to ask which heroic he means, because who even calls either of his Rs a bubble? Does that mean the invuln bubble or the big stun bubble?

>>1901360
>it's not pedantic because it just isn't ok
Wow, good argument. Multiple people all used the term ult and we all knew what it meant until you showed up confused and disoriented for some reason.
>you're just upset
Yes, I'm upset that you're a fucking retarded faggot and have insisted on shitting up the thread with this for like 40 posts now. Kill yourself.

>>1901365
>I would be confused because I'm literally a retard
Holy fuck lol.

>>1901365
>R
What if I changed the keybind? Do you mean his Divine Shield Heroic ability? I don't know what a big stun bubble is, sorry

>>1901366
>>it's not pedantic because it just isn't ok
What part of
>It matters in real matches because of a character that has both an ult and a heroic.
do (You) not understand? Are you seriously this dense? It matters. There is a real distinction. This is a reason why it matters. Quit posting.
>Yes, I'm upset that you're a fucking retarded faggot and have insisted on shitting up the thread with this for like 40 posts now. Kill yourself.
Feel free to stop giving me posts to reply to at any time :)

>>1901373
Luckily, I wouldn't say "which R is that". I would say "which heroic is that", as I just call them heroics. Hope that helps.

>>1901280
>yells in coms
learn2read

>>1901376
Must be embarasisng to be this wrong after this long lol. Feel free to find the official blizzard document that refers to Tracer and DVa being the only heroes explicitly as having Ultimate Abilities

>>1901391
>unofficial wiki is gospel and can never be wro-
Nope. Try again.

This is almost always said as a joke, but you faggots will literally argue about anything

>>1901403
>not a real argument
I await your proof that your headcanon that tracer and DVa are the only heroes with ultimate abilities

>>1901415
>>not a real argument because... um uh well
Unofficial wiki. Wrong on multiple occasions. Cope.
>I await your proof that your headcanon that tracer and DVa are the only heroes with ultimate abilities
Blizzard has not used the term "ultimate" in any official HotS material. Hope that helps.

Can we just discuss Cassia's tits

>>1901422
>all hero levels in single-digits
lol

>>1901424
So you finally concede that Tracer and DVa are not the only heroes with ultimate abilities as distinct from heroic abilities? Holy fucking shit finally.
>>1901431
>heroes I don't play on a new account
Your pathetic samefagging won't save you from objective proof that I'm correct. Sorry

>>1901427
they aren't that big to warrant a discussion, but she has nice thighs, ass and hips
have you noticed how shiny orphea's lips are though?

>>1901436
>So you finally concede that Tracer and DVa are not the only heroes with ultimate abilities as distinct from heroic abilities?
Says who? Ultimate is a fanmade term (based on the very similar moves from Overwatch) that (You)'ve been all too eager to use incorrectly.
>>heroes I don't play on a new account
>he makes new accounts

OH NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>1901461
>>1901463
>blizzard hasn't used the term in any official material
>it's a fanmade term only used by the community
Uhh actually its right here. Oh shit this changes everything. Except of course you pinged it and didn't yell it in comes. So you're still wrong lol

>>1901448
>he makes new accounts
Go back lol

>>1901473
>Uhh actually its right here.
I'm an ESL who doesn't play the game in English. I figured the distinction out on my own, even before consulting the English client.
>Except of course you pinged it and didn't yell it in comes. So you're still wrong lol
That was not my post.

holy shit, what is Anonymous going to do now after being blown the fuck out this hard? i'd ditch the name if i were him, so nobody know it's me

>>1901479
>>1901486
See>>1901420 >>1901422
The game still calls them heroics, the patch notes call them heroics and the fan wiki calls them heroics. Apparently calling it an ultimate is a holdover from overwartch but considering I'm not a huge faggot I've never played it.

>>1901489
You're confused. Bunny Hop and Micro Missiles are D.Va's heroics and not ults. Self-Destruct is an ult and not a heroic.
On the other hand, Tracer's Pulse Bomb is both a heroic and an ult.

blud actually thought i'm part of the schizoramblings and quoted me :skull:

zarya is unironically a better tychus

>>1880744
Imperius it's a loli now

>>1902060
gay pedo shit

>>1902060
Improvement

>>1902060
Not even a good design. Wtf is wrong with weebs

>>1902060
put me in the screencap

OH FUCK
now i can't stop playing for 24 hours....

>>1902335
Alt-F4 out of the game, you will prevent the chest from being opened and, as such, the boost from being activated. Instead you will get to open the chest and accept the loot later.

I will now play imperius

Tyrael is black and that comic is promoting interracial relationships

>>1902559
this talent fucking blows

the 16 upgrade thoughever

>>1902786
It's a decent talent it just burns through mana.

Why is Morales devoid of morals?

>watch replay
>on enemy perspective
>I get a kill
>the guy starts frantically pinging me and then his abathur

>>1904463
Ally death, consequence of stupidity. Will keep soaking experience, spawning locusts. Remain unbothered.

>piss off enemy team so hard with landmines that all 5 of them go on a coordinated strike on me when my team wipes
>deep tunnel to our spawn, while still soaking, pushing
>them, frantically searching around the core, forts, while missing camps and XP
I eventually realized that I don't have to be a great aba, just being annoying enough which makes the enemy team make unsound decisions.

I hate the slug so much, cunts think they are smart just filling bushes with mines, stupid drooling retards

>>1904602
t. Tracer

>press tab
>see slug do meme build
>still facecheck every bush
shit game eh

>>1904646
This is the part I find funny, especially on whatever that map's called where you either have to free orcs or dwarfs. There's a bush behind a wall at each objective, I tend to pump those full of mines. If the game lasts 30 minutes, they're going to walk into them for 30 minutes.

>"Nooo! The infinite abyss!"
>"Frozen waist obey my cum hand!"
what did he mean by this?

Save your words, PRIMATE. Spare me from hearing your orifice FLAP.

why can fire damage ragnaros

why can ragnaros damage fire

why does butcher get meat from probius

Why can stitches vore dragon alexstrasza or tychus mech

why can Abathur call a MULE (a terran technology) from outer space

>>1906294
Why can Malfurion call a MULE?

>>1906319
? post rank

>>1906327
Based newfag.

why can illidan be blinded

>>1906329
Your fault for using present tense.

>>1906294
Because development stopped before they got around to making it a drone. Just like Nazeebo's ice block, and every Bribe.

>>1906534
How hard can it be to make a drone model?

>>1906331
Shut up

>>1906537
It's as hard as two coasters on bobby koticks yacht are to make so Acti-Blizz prioritized

Ardent Restoration (Level 1) Diablo Tyrael

Dealing damage to a Hero heals Tyrael for 20 (+4% per level) Health over 5 seconds. Dealing damage resets this timer, and the heal amount stacks up to 10 times.

Quest: Every Regeneration Globe gathered increases this heal amount by 1%.

>grab 100 globes
>instead of healing for 40/s you heal for 80/s
Why is the scaling so shit?

>>1906925
It's a really strong ability to begin with. It increasing at all is just a bonus that isn't really necessary to make the talent viable

>>1906949
>It's a really strong ability to begin with.
Maybe, but why bait players into globe hunting when the bonus is insignificant even if you grab 30-40 globes which is usually the max in a level 20+ game?

>>1906963
Ding!

>ARAM
>somehow their thrall got isolated from their team and started dueling my thrall away from the 4v4
>we stacked our E quest on each other like autists for a solid 2 minutes
funny

>>1902495
nice

>>1906537
They don't even need to make anything new, the game runs on sc2 engine, sc2 has a drone model (several, in fact), there's graphics for zerg shit being deployed from orbit, it's a matter of copy&paste there's no excuse.
Unless they never intended for it to be drone after the talents rework

>>1907458
Or, there *was* no excuse I should have said. Everything I wrote above pertains to the time period between abathur being left the only hero left with a mule talent and development being axed

>>1906925
Not picking the more ally shield talent lv1 is trolling

>>1907496
There's always this one dumb fuck I swear.
>you're trolling if you don't take talent I think is best
>it doesn't matter if it's the lowest win rate talent by a huge margin
>it doesn't matter if it doesn't fit tyreals actual playstyle
>it doesn't matter if it's weak on paper
>you need to match the meta in my fucking woodleague brain or you're throwing the match
Fuck you you stupid cunt and literally everyone who thinks like you.

>>1907604
calm down

>>1907693
Absolutely fucking not. Retards deserve open contempt and hate

>>1907740
Dont care, will pick it

>>1908412
Good, I hope you do. I wasn't upset over your talent choice, I was actively getting upset over retards who pass their judgment over others talent choices. I only called out that one because your dumb ass was trying to act like it was the only good one.

People picking what works for them, knowing their hero and their goals and building towards them is part of the game. Blind meta slaves sitting there screeching
>you can't bruise with that hero
>you can't take that talent
>you can't take that hero on this map
need to be killed. Play your hero and I'll play mine.

>>1908469
There are objectively bad talents and objectively good talents though, not saying this about this particular case because I don't care about Tyrael but that's a weird hill to die upon

>Raven's Intellect
>Convection
>Assimilation Mastery
>Baneling Massacre

If you pick strife valla over rain of vengeance i will run it down

strafe 20 is actually good tho

>>1908490
Don't care. You play your hero and I'll play mine. If you end the game 1-12 I'll call you trash, and you are, and maybe that has to do with your talent choice. But I'm not particularly interested in micromanaging other people's playstyles and talent choices as a general rule.

>>1908543
>Don't care.
You clearly care a lot about not caring lol
>picking a talent that objectively makes your hero worse
I won't micromanage you, but I'll afk and report you for griefing

>>1908570
You're a very stupid person you know that right?

>>1908792
Not an argument, plus you're reported for picking Convection

>your hero has 3 equally viable lv1 talents
Hah

>>1908804
>not an argument
pearls before swine. I've wasted enough time on a literal retard already

Never mess... with a mother

>>1908543
>If you end the game 1-12 I'll call you trash
enjoy being silenced

>>1909285
Oh no, the pissy pants redditor is here again. Fuck.

>>1909181
alex SEXO

Is anyone here enough of a hots oldfag to have the “le preparations man” and “le bottle throwing lycanthropy man” images from ye olden /hotsg/? I can’t find them and I need them for shitposting purposes

>>1910470
I LOST MY HOTSG FOLDER

>>1910471
Same, that’s why I am here on my knees begging for the assistance of the elder council

Why are Qhira and Kerrigan so fucking strong. These bitches are bruisers, not an Assassin.

>>1910680
Qhira loses 50% effectiveness the moment cleanse or some form of unstoppable can break her spin, and Kerrigan is hard to play correctly

>>1881631
>Buff main ability by 20%
>Still bad
Do it again.

just rework lili, she's unironically the most boring hero in the game, and because of that she must also stay shitty because of low skill ceiling
for starters, make her Q still throw tea for healing, but it is AOE and it's less effective for each friendly hero caught in it

>>1910722
>for starters, make her Q still throw tea for healing, but it is AOE and it's less effective for each friendly hero caught in it
to clarify this if it wasn't obvious, the Q is now a skillshot ability

>>1910722
there's nothing wrong with having "low skill ceiling" heroes and "high skill ceiling" heroes in the same game, this is how you end with diversity, synergy and more importantly FUN

>>1910722
>every hero has to be the same
go back to the wow forums you faggot

>>1910722
>because of that she must also stay shitty because of low skill ceiling
Go back to Apex. It's fine for easy characters to be good.

>>1910731
indeed, there is nothing wrong with them, which is why Raynor tier heroes are fine in my book
lili however, is below even that

>>1911128
there are plenty of easy characters in hots that are insanely good though?
i'm not familiar with apex btw, nor do i care to be

>>1910741
>>1911128
quote the part where i said every hero needs to be the same
also, there is no healer in the game which heals the way i said lili is ought to
instead of being such a hurt and upset little crybaby faggots, you should've just said you enjoy lili the way she is
christ, you're so angry over a post describing a theoretical change which will never see the light of day. As if I had any power over the next patch. It's not that surprising though, the most continuous "discussion" this general ever sees these days are some faggots seething at each other over inane shit (see: heroic vs ult)

but you will seethe at this post as well, even though neither this or the previous one was made in bad faith, but your brain has been permanently damaged by ranked and there's now way back now

playing a moba for the first time and about i'm silver in 2 or 3 wins playing the zul'jin aa build with a +80% winrate
i love this game so much

>>1911419
>also, there is no healer in the game which heals the way i said lili is ought to
"skill shot" heal is just deckard's pots with an extra step
you're talking about "balance" and "skill expression" but forgetting that "uniqueness" (which lili already has) is also important

>>1911419
Raynor is a hard hero, if playing AA pepper that is

>>1911419
>there are plenty of easy characters in hots that are insanely good though?
Correct. Li Li can be another one of those. A girlfriend-core character being not trash tier would be a positive, not a negative.

>>1911467
>A girlfriend-core character
that would be brightwing, with her turn-your-brain-off passive heal and Z that comes too late or just in time to spread kt bombs

>>1911488
Brightwing is a flying lizard that tends to say unsettling things in a cute voice. Not as GF-core as a small panda with feminine clothing and an innocent personality.
Also, BW's Z inherently imposes map awareness tax on the player and five of her skills (excl. talents) require pointing with the cursor onto something. On the other hand, Li Li only has one such ability (excl. one talent) and always putting the snake on yourself is not as big of a liability as doing that with BW's skills.

Gall is too forgiving to play and needs a mana bar like everyone else

>>1911717
And he needs to get stunned when Cho is stunned

why is every russian so bad at this game?

why is every mexican refusing to communicate in english?

>>1911765
to make you cope
>>1911840
to make you seethe

I'm an awful tank player but for some reason I have 70% wr in that role in ARAM

>>1912054
Cuz in ARAM your ability to read the map and actually make good calls and lead your team around the map is entirely secondary to your ability so smash buttons on cooldown

Is Artanis difficult?

>>1912429
>is a bruiser who has no escape difficult?

>>1912429
He's simple in theory but difficult in execution. Knowing when you can go in and what you're capable of is incredibly vital with him. Biggest piece of advice is don't go for godswaps overly much, it's suicide more often than anything else. It's better to use your prism for its Unstoppable, and to simply move around heroes at close range 99% of the time.

Secondly is once you go in don't try and get back out. Due to his trait he's literally better off just pushing forward and continuing to attack rather than trying to escape almost every time. You usually won't make it out, but you can do a lot of damage and soak a lot by just attacking and keeping your shield going as long as possible.

>>1913260
>don't go for godswaps overly much
I think this is the wrong mindset, you absolutely should gamble for swaps on cd and treat it like a Stitches hook or an Alarak pull to try to isolate someone for an easy kill

E4 gives you 30 armor for 5s, 1.5s of which you're unstoppable, then you can blind them for 4s at 10

so practice swaps, reverse swaps (E + backward Q) into towers, and some more swaps

>>1913365
>you should constantly waste mana and cooldowns to try and put yourself wildly out of position with a hugely telegraphed ability
This guy never plays artanis against anything higher than silver. You can see a swap coming a mile away and the artanis who does it is just as likely to put the tank or a melee assassin into his backline as he is to secure a kill. You're better off walking up to their tank, simply swapping him at point blank so he can't dodge it and then use W to charge their backline.

>>1913398
>you're better off playing this hero with massive displacement potential as a glorified melee creep
lol okay
then why the fuck would you pick artanis in the first place if you're going to save your E for a selfish self-unstoppable

>>1913460
>Why would you play the hero the way he's designed and not as a shittier stitches
Gee I don't know

>>1913731
very narrow mindset, you can't be helped

>>1913751
>don't try to give a player new to the hero advice on how to play him effectively
>instead you should give shit advice thats more likely to get him killed and his teammates frustrated or you're a close minded chud
You're not helping anyone here retard. Perhaps next time someone asks something give them an answer yourself instead of arguing with the only person who did.
>>1912573
Oh nvm, seems you're just a piece of shit. I hope you get fucking gonorrhea

>>1913906
timidly playing Artanis like melee minion with a self-unstoppable you waste on the tank is not playing him effectively lol

you HAVE to go all-in with Artanis because as you said once you're in, you don't get out, you're in to trade and proc your trait and soak damage

Artanis is a bruiser who can MAKE PLAYS which includes wild swaps that land you into a 1v4 (which you can tank for a long time with 4s blind and spell shield)

>>1913909
>go all in
Like I said? The difference is that my going all in is using his abilities in a way that will provide consistent and reliable returns. Your idea is to play him like some retard bronze fishing for heckin upvotes on reddit with your one big godswap game winning play while ignoring the 600 times you either missed and just wasted a cooldown, put the enemy Imperius into your backline, committed suicide or ended up on the wrong side of a gate.

Every fucking time is the same. Someone asks a question, literally nobody fucking answers except for me, and then you spend more time arguing with me about what I said based on some bullshit headcanon you have. I'm fucking done. Fuck this thread and fuck you guys. Let's see how long this shit takes to fucking die now that it's just got you and that bitch redditor who fucking reports me every week

>>1913920
nothing bronze about what I said Artanis is a difficult hero to learn because part of the learning curve is practicing swaps and feeding/griefing a lot because you swapped the wrong person at the wrong time, so yeah Artanis IS difficult and not a some random melee minion with a self-unstoppable with a Very Easy difficulty rating

>I'm fucking done.
see ya next week

>>1913920
Maybe you could stop seething at the slightest sign of tomfoolery.

are Li Li and Li Ming related

>>1914550
yeah; they're both my wives

I have no fucking idea how i am supposed to play Alarak, i assumed this would be easy, just pull-silence-thunder ez pez

in reality i mess up pull and sit around doing fuckall, i swore the pull was a point blank ability and not something so complicated to quickcast

>>1914643
skill issue, the solution is to practice there's no magic to it, you can't play kerrigan without hitting your combo and you can't play alarak if you can't pixel perfect pull someone from 10 range or whatever it is

>>1914643
Muscle memory. Hold your mouse over pull's icon on the HUD when doing rudimentary travelling until you can visualise its range like the back of your hand.

I like how Alarak's Q has these side blades like a sith lightsaber

Is that your best healing?

>>1914643
The IDEA is to be better than your enemy, you know.

>>1914765
yeah about that. . .

>November 2025
>Blizzard blog post teases a new map for HotS
>update releases one month later
>it's just an ARAM map
>an ARAM version of Alterac Pass, with Drek'Thar and Vanndar core replacements
How would (You) feel?

haven't played Alex in a hot minute, is Q build still the way to go

>>1915694
More often than not, yes

>>1915694
Should be unless you coordinate with 4 others to pick globe talents

pretty cool how the faggot bird gets to have leyline every 5s after level 16

>>1910722
She was more fun when blinding winds could be kept up by throwing an extra one with W so she could be played as a pest. But they decided that was too much skill or something so now she is the healer that holds Q for medium healing.

WOW I SURE LOVE TRASHMOUSE NON INTERACTIVE TRAPS THAT CHASE YOU WITH NO DURATION SO IT CAN SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR LANE FOREVER

>>1919896
Correct. I love leading them into trash spots or bad targets and wasting them.

>>1917194
How old ago was that?

li li breeding sex

Let this be the 400th and final reply of this dead thread. I think Yrel's cute!!

>>1922730
Only cute in her skins.

>>1921163
So?

>Qhira's page on RedditVeins
>"good Offlane"
>tier list on RedditVeins
>no Qhira in the offlaner section
>same with Valeera

>>1924267
she's not an offlaner generally speaking but she's okay as a counterpick on something like braxis
AA build is surprisingly tough to handle for most traditional offlaners and she can't really be ganked with her trait

You now remember Garroshposter
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Also is the game still alive? I haven't played in years

>>1927278
The game is alive but would have been more so under Dustin

I want to ride Lunara like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK2PyG-UZhw

>>1927278
if it were deader it would be the person in charge of balancing Nova

>>1928058
What did he mean by this?

Tyrande is such an infuriating hero to play unless have 100% uptime on autos for Q cdr

BEGONE FROM MY REALM, INCELS

Probably a bronze take but Valeera feels incredibly unfair to fight

>>1930885
just stay with your friends

>>1930895
Bitch stabs me then smokebomb with 50 armor and finishes me off

>>1930885
she is designed to feel unfair, but her value drops if you group up, probably one of the worst ARAM heroes for this reason

>>1930885
If the hero you play has no mobility and unreliable ways of revealing her, no wonder you feel that way.

Why isn't Azmodan labelled a bruiser with his fat HP pool, conditional damage and off-laning ability?

>>1934407
bruisers have self sustain, he doesn't
conditional damage means nothing
he loses offlane to a murky

what is the flashy "if I spend 6 million hours on this one hero I can 1v9 with sheer micro" of hots?

>>1934688
Li Ming (trait is literally resetting all her cds on a takedown)
Zeratul (infinite micro potential)
Alarak (anti-hero with very low utility beyond that)
Tracer (Recall rewards limit pushing)
Abathur (for the 20 seconds you clone someone which means you probably need to learn 60 heroes not 1)

>>1934688
Qhira

>>1934688
Genji with timely deflects and dash resets.

>>1930953
ngmi

>match ends at 18 minutes
>Kel ends with 29 quest stacks

>>1938081
KNOW THE FINITE ABYSS!

how's the asian server for the 0.3 people here who play on it?

>>1939027
You'd have better luck asking in their general chat.

Is D.Va's Halloween palette swap the only item that costs a number of shards not divisible by 5?

>>1940007
a discrepancy that will forever live in infamy

>>1939027
I see many chinks on EU, so probably not good.

>>1941244
I thought those were just people using funny asian characters, doesn't this end up being horrible for them ping-wise?

>>1942306
hots is not such a high skill level that you can't play it with 120 ping, add another 120 when I'm drunk

>>1873863
>Heroes Played 39
???

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24232472/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-patch-notes-september-2-2025
Map reworks, Tower Reworks, Dehaka Nerf?

>>1943503
Why are they putting out a patch every month for a dead game?

these structure changes are wild though

>>1943503
wtf this is massive not just intern playing with balance numbers

they can't even be bothered to give a dev comment for changes anymore lol
it's like go ahead and figure it out, even though this seems to incentivize pushing and tower diving even more

>Mercenary camps now spawn 30 seconds after the match begins (Down from 60 seconds).
I don't like this one. It will lead to degenerate first minutes of matches.

>>1943791
can't be worse than 3 minutes of ARAM

>>1943503
Can they rework Haunted Mines next?

>>1943816
Not in the way you want it. It'll be reworked into a spider queen style kill the minion waves to get the objective currency, no more basement zone.

these dehaka changes are great I think they should apply the same to all globals

I made a new account
don't let me see you in ARAM

>You will now only drop half your coins upon death (rounded down).
Gayest change in the whole patch note

this will change the blackheart's bay meta forever

>Tracer
>Level 7
>Focus Fire
>No longer progresses while Blinded or against Evading targets.
Can this trash talent be replaced with something else already?

>>1946204
>>1946211
nobody cares about bhb or hanamura, so they're pointless
unless the jannie is truly unleashed and plans to add them back to real queues

>>1947206
Hanamura is my fav map. Had it been added to ranked months or weeks ago, I'd have tried ranked out, but by now I have stopped being bothered by bad drafts enough to care. The point being, Hanamura's absence in ranked singlehandedly made me stay a QP warrior.

the ranked rotbrain once again believes ximself to be more important the xhe actually is

>>1947225
aram will never be a real mode

>>1947222
I love the idea of Hanamura, but the side imbalance is simply unacceptable.

>>1947261
Your fault for not sending 4 to top on the right side.

>you HAVE to balance my quick shitter mode
the quickmeme brain once again believes ximself to be a lifeform worth any consideration

>>you HAVE to balance my quick shitter mode
nobody said this

would this game die if russia, ukraine and india got region blocked?

>>1951138
Do Indians play this game?
Blocking Russia would be a significant blow for sure, as many other Blizzard games are blocked there.

>>1951145
>Do Indians play this game?
Better safe than sorry

>>1951138
I don't care about your shithole server sorry, we on NA only enjoy the finest players on this side of the pacific

Valla nerf when?

>>1901365
o shit hes retarded

>>1954154
wtf I love the Tal'darim now

Hoarding chests on new account.
Hammer free this week.
What's the best way to get her to level ten? Vs ai ends too fast, low XP.

I guess I'm asking how do deal with this shit hero in qm.

I got murky to 10 insanely fast. The games were all high XP and I only lost when I had leavers, bots, a 4 stack from Brazil with bad lag when their server was down, and some triggered faggot who kept feeding because our qm nova would sit still to remain invisible and has half or kills but "no damage." We still almost won with him actively feeding. 10 year account, meaning this was an adult...

Also, at what mmr do people figure murky out? If he's on the other team and I don't/can't counter him we always lose. It's like people just don't have the mental discipline to keep on him. They kill him twice and think "well that's sorted" and move on.

>>1954860
I don't know, gold I guess? it's kind of a shit hero that needs to run away from a lane, not the opposite, murky is a massive liability against competent players until he hits level 10 and can start to octograb people for free kills

>>1954865
>octograb
Debunked by IcyMemes, chud.

>>1954854
>What's the best way to get her to level ten? Vs ai ends too fast, low XP.
Then sandbag on purpose. Do silly stuff like capturing mercs at the most random moments.

>>1954872
gold players write these "guides"

>>1954860
When Murky is in the enemy team, your team is your worst enemy
>PING PING PING PING WHY YOU SOLO LANING VS MURKY REPORT GRINGO

Is there a reason to hit w on Fenix?

>>1955726
spamming it can increase his attack speed by resetting the cooldown or something idk I don't play that shit hero

>>1955726
Yeah, swapping talents also poke versus when you actually want to kill someone

How bad is the hacking in this game? I'm pretty sure I saw a guy maphack, hitting fully cloaked Eric in a replay.
I'm wondering if there's a lag hack or if the servers are just shit. Some games it mysteriously lags during fights but not any other time.

>>1955783
The game is built on the same spaghetti code as StarCraft 2 where, if you DC, the game has to fast forward through a replay when you rejoin, so that's not that surprising

>>1955788
Imagine if an MMORPG worked like that. Every time you log in you have to fast forward through everything that happened since the server opened.

>>1955783
Not very. Cheaters are uncommon, as HotS is a low-stakes game.

I'm deciding if I wanna buy Lucio. I got him to lvl 10 in qm with 66%, but I wanted to confirm that and now he's down to 55. Is it just my qm comps or is he mid? I already got bw, whitemane, lili, and rehgar.
I know I should get a real, but I expect her to be banned a lot.

>>1958057
Lúcio is good. Giving passive mobility to heroes like Garrosh is powerful. But he requires both the user to switch between songs at appropriate moments and the team to play around a healer that will sometimes switch to speed boost efficiently.

>>1958057
dogshit hero, do not play
you have nothing against burst, you can't cleanse without your ult (lol), you have no pve, you're just a more mobile brightwing

^ how lucio works in silver

^ stop assuming the average poster here is above gold

^ stop assuming my gender

>>1958088
Um, isn't brightwing good tho? >>1958084
>>1958088
Yeah, I find he's very team dependant. Also the randos can point to his low healing number compared to, for example, a yellow fist kara self healing on camps, and then ignore your calls because "low number=bad." I'm going to get him to 15 and stop.

>>1961540
i look like this and drink spider soda cans every day

I like the idea of playing Butcher more than I like playing Butcher

I jerk off to Tracer more than I like playing Tracer

I like the idea of playing HotS more than I like playing HotS.

>>1961540
BRRRAT
*throws spider jar*

>>1954872
>>1954888
I'm seeing people playing jaina with both mana talents and I thought of this and looked it up. Yup. It's the recommended icy veins build. The alternate build is frost bolt but not take the range and speed level one. It's like they're trying to make you lose.

>>1963427
Never happens to me from hands of Valeera players.

>>1963449
I'm not seeing deckard lately much.

>>1962725
They're also both high win rate talents so...
>but muh mana
Literally both talents increase spell power.

>>1963918
>Literally both talents increase spell power.
It's a little misleading since Jaina's trait already amplifies her damage by 50% against chilled targets, so a 10% on top of that is relatively minor. Against chilled targets, each talent adds roughly 6.67% damage (160/150 and 170/150), and having two talents over one improves damage by 6.25% (170/160). It's also why the Blizzard talents are a trap, even though big numbers look good, they don't actually end up adding much damage and the root at 16 secures more damage in practice. That Jaina often ends up picking both mana talents is more of a coincidence and due to a lack of better options at 4, though Frost Armor can be justifiable.

>>1963940
The reason blizzard never works is cuz every retard in the world uses it backwards. They try to ring of frost first and then drop blizzard instead of using blizzard to set up ring of frost. Do it properly and you'll delete entire teams consistently.

>>1963940
>>1963950
You're also ignoring that the spellpower is a bonus to having infinite mana on a hero that can be quite mana heavy. I consider frost bolt build a meme so really both talents only compete with one other talent at 1 and 4.

is it true opening a lot of chests at once increases your chance for a boost or is that superstition

>had a match that made a look like a professional illidan
>in reality i just made nonsensical/illogical decisions at all times like a retard
holy shit, the amerimutt strat DOES work

for some reason I've had "less than a day" to complete this nexxomania event for like a week now lol

>>1967330
It's probably only going away when the next update drops.

>>1963952
>>1963950
>>1963940
But the 6 second slow is so good and the higher area and cast range are much safer to cast and harder to dodge. I can see the 16 blizzard talent as overrated. It's good on the zerg wave, but that's about it.

>teammate disconnects 1 minute into the game
>get steamrolled as a result
>enemy team fellate each other on the top 5 screen
?

>>1870169
>bonus single target damage incentivizes feeding
Yes. It incentivizes rushing at an enemy hero to not waste the bonus damage on a minion wave.

KILL QHIRAS. BEHEAD QHIRAS. ROUNDHOUSE KICK A QHIRA INTO THE CONCRETE. SLAM DUNK A QHIRA BABY INTO THE TRASHCAN. CRUCIFY FILTHY QHIRAS. DEFECATE IN A QHIRAS FOOD. LAUNCH QHIRAS INTO THE SUN. STIR FRY QHIRAS IN A WOK. TOSS QHIRAS INTO ACTIVE VOLCANOES. URINATE INTO A QHIRAS GAS TANK. JUDO THROW QHIRAS INTO A WOOD CHIPPER. TWIST QHIRAS HEADS OFF. REPORT QHIRAS TO THE IRS. KARATE CHOP QHIRAS IN HALF. CURB STOMP PREGNANT QHIRA QHIRAS. TRAP QHIRAS IN QUICKSAND. CRUSH QHIRAS IN THE TRASH COMPACTOR. LIQUEFY QHIRAS IN A VAT OF ACID. EAT QHIRAS. DISSECT QHIRAS. EXTERMINATE QHIRAS IN THE GAS CHAMBER. STOMP QHIRA SKULLS WITH STEEL TOED BOOTS. CREMATE QHIRAS IN THE OVEN. LOBOTOMIZE QHIRAS. MANDATORY ABORTIONS FOR QHIRAS. GRIND QHIRA FETUSES IN THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL. DROWN QHIRAS IN FRIED CHICKEN GREASE. VAPORIZE QHIRAS WITH A RAY GUN. KICK OLD QHIRAS DOWN THE STAIRS. FEED QHIRAS TO ALLIGATORS. SLICE QHIRAS WITH A KATANA.

>>1970981
Your Unstoppable?