Thread 1976478

Season 8 is upon us
Fruit Ninjas vs Insurance Salesmen
DISSUN wants your $30
Improved Destruction
Two New Weapons: P90 and KS-23
The Major continues, but who gives a shit (it's for real money not multibucks, what are they, dumb?)

Join "Vidya" in the clubs to find other anons to play with

>>1976478 (OP)
>Two New Weapons: P90 and KS-23
You fucked it up, Anon.

>>1976576
No, they definitely added the P90 to the game

>>1976576
Reskins don't count

>>1976655
It's funny, because people have barely talked about the P90 it seems. There's the usual complaints with every automatic, but the BFR really seems to have stolen the show, for better and worse.

>>1978383
It's another auto. Who cares?

>>1978453
>Who cares?
I'd presume the people that have been endlessly and needlessly bitching about autos the entire lifespan of the game in order to try to deflect from their own mediocrity, but I guess right now they have the Major to get all their talking point for the next year from instead

>>1978509
Seething.

>>1978527
Indeed, that is what those people do, endlessly

P90 isn't really a problematic auto because it doesn't have range, which is always the problem with them. Consistent long-ranged weapons with great damage always end up being obnoxious. The only people who have complained about the P90 are the rare light mains who doesn't like dealing with medium having a brainless CQC gun, everyone else registers that it's about as balanced as a submachine gun is going to get on medium

>retard last thread:
>uhhhhh giving light a double jump? even on cooldown? don't be ridiculous. there's no way that'd ever happen. that's so far out of any possible sense of balance. under no circumstances would that ever, EVER, NEVER EVER BE ALLOWED TO HAPP--
>Embark this week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OsCrrc0pzs

>>1978769
this isn't the same as giving a single class the ability to double jump. Every class can jump here.

>>1978780
it's also a gameshow event, not an innate skill which is what you wanted

>>1978769
winrar

>>1978769
Gosh slaming from a double jump might actually work

so why are the tier 2 rewards so ass this season, these are all recolors right? also so sad that the emerald and sponsor deagle rewards are devalued with the nerfs

>>1979850
Buy Arc Raiders.

>>1979850
I mean yeah, they're sponsor rewards. Of course you just care about the color and the branding.

>>1979965
Futa energy

>>1979965
And the smaller one does more damage

>>1979972
size isn't everything

>>1979976
god i wish she farted on my face

>>1976478 (OP)
Anyone noticed the difference in destruction system?
Aside from crane ball and suspended structures wrecking everything under them, it seems kinda same to me

>>1980158
Yeah. Might be a gameplan thing. You'll see it more if you use destruction more.

>>1979965
>>1979976
>>1980083
She looks like she does NTR

>>1980158
The new destruction system is only active on those 2 structures. Everything else follows the same destruction rules.

>>1980158
the destruction is very different in some areas and not much in others, im guessing they went in and tuned a bunch of stuff by hand to make the destruction more playable and less chaotic. Everything in Kyoto was pretty much overhauled entirely.

The Finals

>>1981197
really need more coom outfits, game's too tame

fucking turd of a game crashes on launch now, it's all so tiresome

Why is light allowed to ram his SH up your asshole and 1shot 3/3 classes

>>1981200
The only time this game is ever going to get overt coom outfits is when its in its death throws and embark is trying to milk the last couple of whales left. Female characters barely have A-cup tits and most of the faces are average to ugly looking; unfortunately this game was made during a time when every western dev was mandated to cut down sexual dimorphism as much as possible and to never make truly attractive characters.

>>1981200
so true

>>1982890
cus it's fun but not very practical against a strong player because you're pigeonholing yourself into ambush at point blank or useless
last thing this game needs to be doing is dumpstering more mid-tier weapons because they occupy a normie-angering niche like burst, melee, or splash

if lights are so strong why don't we see dual light comps in tourneys

>>1983440
funny that 90% of the reason light is played now has to do with them getting very strong support gadgets with a tiny helping of "their guns are actually good now"

>>1983440
Cutting your teams health pool massively for no real benefit. A second gateway isn't necessary, a second infuser is of little benefit on a low hp team, 4 glitch nades is overkill

>>1980158
feel like buildings have a habit of getting completely leveled more often when something on the top floor goes but that could be placebo

>type 2 fem heavy with the anubis head mask
awooga

The high ttk feels weird it feels like I'm shooting a nerf gun

>>1985371
I like the high TTK, but I don't like that they've been on a bit of a crusade against finishers for people that manage to close the gap.

Last time I played this game it was the beta and nobody ever had a mic and the matchmaking was ass and available game modes weren't fun at all. Did anything change or is it still full of stupid shit

even tho pros use the shak, BFR and duelies, I cant get over how consistent the m60 is, on top of being the everything the minigun is except better.

>>1987706
most heavy pros use BFR and SA12 though
shak looses against a good SA12

>>1988068
>Shak loses against a good SA12
>Shak, a weapon with 1.57s and 1.00s body and headshot TTK
>losing to the SA12, a weapon with a fixed 1.75s TTK
>which also requires meatshots to get that TTK and has a more aggressive falloff on top of that as well
....riiiiiiiight.

>>1988077
You will always get a free 2 hits after a successful winch, that's already a guaranteed 72x2 dmg dealt
burst fire is always better than sustained fire when aim isn't a concern (wether it be equal skill level or simply the vicinity)
PHL is about to start and you can also rewatch the Closed Qualifiers and count how many heavies are using Shak and SA12 and notice which ones close the fight.
Not saying the Shak is bad, I quite like it but if I had better aim and supportive teammates, the SA12 beats it out in term of raw damage output

then again, you praise the M60, so your standards and knowledge is already rock bottom

>>1988150
>after a successful winch
1) Get this, ShAK users can also use the Winch and flat out counter that with their own stun
2) Max range is like, 12m. ShAK users can just stand outside of Winch range and get their full damage. The SA12 can't
>you can watch PHL or the Closed Qualifiers
Or, get this, one can go off of the actual video game itself, rather than variances in players' personal preferences and proficiencies
>then again, you praise the M60
No, I'm a separate anon chiming in at you obvious being wrong, and I guess we can also add you being a shitty little snide faggot on top of that too

>>1988153
Imagine going against hard facts, here's picrelated, the top picks of the whole PHL

Notice that the SA12 saw a 76.6% OF USE among EVERY heavy.
that anon here >>1987706 specifically said "even pros" when while, yes, the Shak is good, most pros use infact the SA12.

also
>1) Get this, ShAK users can also use the Winch and flat out counter that with their own stun
But within that timeframe you will output more damage with an SA12. If you get winched as an SA12 user, you're still at an advantage since now you have the range benefit of being pulled in your effective range.
>2) Max range is like, 12m. ShAK users can just stand outside of Winch range and get their full damage. The SA12 can't
Doesn't matter because Shak has the double bullet mechanic, that means that you will do HALF your damage should only 1 bullet connect. As for the range itself, every heavy runs dome to cover himself, not to mention that barricade and sometimes even goo are more than viable choices (personally I always run barricade when I play SA12 exactly for this reason and to play ring around the rosie to buy time for a cycle or just to throw him off)


>Or, get this, one can go off of the actual video game itself, rather than variances in players' personal preferences and proficiencies
I do and that's why I see it, first fucking hand. As I stated multiple times, I do not think the Shak is bad, far from it. I am an user of it, it is a GOOD gun. But when I go against a good SA12 user, I will get my shit rocked. And most pros choose that weapon, as the data clearly shows.

>No, I'm a separate anon chiming in at you obvious being wrong, and I guess we can also add you being a shitty little snide faggot on top of that too
Where do you think we are? The M60 IS bad. I'm not worried in the slightest when I go against an M60/minigun user. Accuracy over time is punished in this game.

>>1988165
>Imagine going against hard facts, here's picrelated, the top picks of the whole PHL
pffffft, holy fuck, get some self awareness anon. You're saying to ignore the hard facts of the actual game stats in favor of highly variable and subjective player performance data. You are not in the right state of mind to actually discuss this matter.

>>1988171
>gets shown facts that pros do infact mostly use the SA12
>the original anon specifically said "pros"
>"hahaha you're quoting stats?? ermm cringe!"
Do you even listen to yourself. Don't bother bumping further, it's clear you're just stirring up a fuss since otherwise this thread is usually dead as fuck.

>>1988178
>hahaha you're quoting stats?? ermm cringe!
Yes, that is cringe. Stats have no bearing on hard data, and it's ironic that you claim they are such while dismissing actual hard data. I will lol again at your expense: lol!

>>1988178
>>1988191
this all is not including the fact that the m60 has the best sound of all of the heavy guns mentioned, thus being the best.

Hi, I just wanted to jump in the thread to post this.
Fucking nerds. Lmao.

Just tried the LH1 for the first time ever... V9S sisters, it's so over for us... It's just better in every metric...

>>1989071
doesn't have as many bullets

Got whined at in a ranked game for running goo nades over C4. I swapped it in for a couple games and basically the only value I ever get with it is dropping the cash when the demat medium (there's always one) is dead. Is that all it's good for or am I using it wrong?

Great work with the demat nerf, Embark. Really enjoying the monotonous heal nigger meta

>>1989081
Makes up for those 5 rounds with headshot damage, headshots with the V9S don't even help in 1v1s vs other lights

>>1989092
you can toss it surprisingly far to explode lights

>>1989092
It's an impractical grenade subtitue and a remote mine or mine enchancer too. It's not really used for destruction, but for killing. Just not enough charges for demolition.
You should keep goo nades. They're a high iq tool people overlook because it deals no damage and can be misfired. But if you run it in havy you have absolute control over the arena: be it destruction or construction.
I pretty much have two loadouts for heavy: a kill chasing eplosive ordonance killchaser and a goo gun area control trapper. If I get a minute to goo up our cashout location there is nothing they can do except charge and slam in my mines to give their team a window.
Goo is awesome.

>>1989213
dude i'll take nothing but healfags over demat any day of the weak. fuck demat

>>1989213
Healslop is better than demat shit

>>1989071
> Jerking off the LH1 while knowing full well it'll never reach it's old prime again AND it's current recoil is godawful unless you're a headshot wizard
Yeah, good luck with that bro. Let's see you deal with a dash light up close with the LH1 while you're panicking. Rubies and pros can get away with the LH1 because they're continually on insanely good teams and can play support Light from mid-long range and hardly ever need to get up close and personal unless it's a must or they've got man advantage. You? The random teams you get will never be on that level, and you'll be getting screeched at over the mic when you inevitably lose the 1v1 you NEED to clutch because you missed someone's head by an inch.
LH1 ain't worth it big dog unless you're like the top 10% of players, but you'll find that out the hard way lol.
Remember this post :'^)

>>1989092
C4 is a steal deny tool, it mostly serves to buy time and maybe kill the stealer guy. Granted, you can also goodeny but that's not your job. Goo nades are ok (as long as you still bring dome and rpg) but personally I prefer barricades because they're smaller and can be used mid fight better for heavy's short range combat. Medium usually brings goo too so not that much necessary to have more.

>>1989071
Is ok, but the 93R just mogs both outta the water

>>1976478 (OP)
P90 is dogshit unless you're a hip-firing, run-and-gun retard
Medium needs better weapons, I'm so fucking tired of running FAMAS/FCAR/Cerberus every single game, this is actual bullshit
Why do Light and Heavy get all the fun weapons?

I was about to get so fucking mad about these bullshit teams pack. Like I thought they were finally adding the OSPUZE Cowboy but only as a team-flavored variant. Now I'm just pissed off that they clearly know what people want but won't give it.

Also if you recognize a single one of these team names then you should leave the thread immediately and never come back.

>>1989577
I boughted them all

>>1989495
>consolecuck

>>1989591
real consolecukz use the m11
shit has no recoil on a trolla

>BFR nerf

lole, heavies cant have shit in this game.

>>1989633
>8 damage nerf
lol, it's nothing
>smoke nerf
thank god, I was getting tired of running motion sensor/HE grenade in my loadout all the time

>>1989658
>nooooooo noooooooo don't make me actually counterplay something
>nerf it instead! dilute the game! take away playstyles! yes! yes!

>>1989674
yeap fuck it I don't give a shit

the bottom line is that
there is such a warframe game
and I somehow went to play a general selection with random people where they deliberately created all sorts of crap in the game to spoil the gaming experience for other players. although this game is cooperative. for this reason, I spoke obscenely about their actions and made it clear what I thought of them. they threw reporters at me and I was banned for 1 month. Yes, it's my fault - I violated the rules of good manners, but they are also to blame for provoking people to such things. they went unpunished.

when my lock was lifted and I logged into the game, I saw that I had 2 violation notifications. The second was "threats and harassment," although it certainly wasn't, even indirectly! but the technical support of the game decided to put the bolt for verification, which increased the lock period for me. tech support told me that the players regarded your words as a threat.

I wrote to tech support that I could actually complain about any word in the chat with my friends, which would intentionally block everyone in a row because of threats and harassment. if technical support and moderation does not want to fulfill their function as an honest orbiter. I really hope that you can help me with this. it's a good game, but its technical support is very relaxed and does its job carelessly. We need to stimulate them so that they don't just get the money we give to the game.

this will be a very good protest against the inaction of the technical support of this game and very valuable for the players' experience. I can assure you that the players on whom the reports will be sent will not always be blocked, but from 1 week to 1 month they will have to play something else. These limits are specified by the developers themselves in the license agreement.

thanks to all those who will at least pay attention to this action, and a very low bow to those who will take part.

>>1989705
why are you like this

because lately I've been dealing with this kind of attitude towards players from the technical support quite often.

>>1989716
you merely chimped out and because you're fucking retarded, petty and have nothing else to do with your worthless time you decided to go on a crusade
hope you get permabanned from every game you play

desu i was banned from the official the finals discord for having a hitler profile picture and they still didn't unban me when I changed it like 5 minutes after.

>>1989674
>counterplay
Well they could have made it so that explosives clear away smoke. Fire clears gas, smoke clears fire, nothing clears smoke. It's just annoying visibility reduction. Hope they do away with the stupid dust clouds when structures get damaged too.

>>1989814
nothing of value was lost desu

>>1989878
That's always been my take on it but for some reason smoke is the only "element" that can't be countered and the only counter is thermal vis, which got removed

>8500 damage
>6 kills

>>1989878
>Well they could have made it so that explosives clear away smoke

>another boring gimmick event except this time they added a fuckton of rewards to force me to endure it if I want them
The 20 match contract is the worst.

>>1990437
Best to wait for the second week and do them all at once

>>1989929
I thought smoke was countered with explosives? The problem being grenades and the rpg have disgustingly long cool downs.

>>1990448
Smoke is countered by explosives, yes. Small explosives will push the cloud out, big explosives will dissipate the cloud outright. Most people's issues stem from trying to destroy the cloud with small explosives in a confined space, where there's little room for the smoke to move to. You can also just toss Gas into their Smoke to flush out anyone trying to hide in it, since Gas + Smoke is bretty stronk

>cashout steals have become and increasing frustration
>so we made it a little more balanced
You know what alse is an increasing frustration? Two barrels appearing in my heavy ass and sending me to kingdom come. But got forbid not bullying heavy or encouraging a non gun centric tactic.
I might just quit if they keep nerfing non guns, there's games with better gunplay out there

>>1990282
>>1990448
>>1990463
I have heard it alleged that explosives only clear out smoke in the practice range for some reason but this sounds like it could, itself, be a myth

>>1990448
technically does, yes, but it just pushes them around a bit, doesn't outright dissipate the whole cloud (think something like how CS2's smoke functions). Besides most people just chuck all their nades and the dense cloud just won't really dissipate even with explosives, it'll just kinda stay there

>>1990878
are you implying the gunplay is somehow remotely close to being good?

>>1991020
I'm implying you're gay, and I want to fuck your bussy until you cum hard desu

>new event
>make the complete 30 daily challenges an obbligatory challenge
Atleast blast off had the decency to put it as an optional one, this one just forces you to log on daily to do em

>>1991023
implying i wouldn't make you my bitch with the power of my bussers you lil fag

brother i'm still fucking crashing mid match and then it won't let me back in unless i reboot the pc
might be done with the game this season

>>1991158
I just play quicktrash and whatever the LTM is cause getting disconnected pmo too much.

>>1990437
the matches go by pretty fast desu and the fcar skin is pretty good for a free one

>>1994091
The FCAR isn't lacking for options though. Feels like there's some weapons they've been neglecting a bit too hard in the skin department.

>another season another tank on players
>Yet another eceleb media blitz that doesn’t actually help player retention
>Battlefield 6 releases in 5 days
>Arc Raiders is their focus now too but it’ll be the same high praise no player retention


Do you think Embark regret leaving Dice?

>>1994829
It’s crazy since battlefield 6s destruction is actually garbage compared to the finals too but military fps tards gonna tard.

If the finals was more military and higher player count do you think it be more popular?

>>1994866
do you think it'd even work with more players considering how cpu hungry the destruction is?

>>1994829
Only the most retarded goyslaves are forking over $70

>>1994994
> CPU hungry
> The finals
It's the best optimized UE5 game I've ever played, and I can run it just well with a Ryzen 7 4800HS and a GTX 1660 Ti

>>1995090
my shitty rig struggled to get 20fps in it compared to bf6s 60+fps before i upgraded so i'd say yeah it's quite cpu hungry

>>1994829
It's a comforting constant that frogposters will always be retarded

>>1994866
the goofy aesthetic and game show theme does put off people

It's over for us. BF6 hit numbers we never reached and that was just the beta. Our numbers are about to tank to record lows.

>>1995090
Do you enjoy playing at sub 100 fps with TAAU and upscaled rez?

>>1995188
> He doesn't know about how incredible AMD fsr framegen is
Get with the times, grandpa. Jesus H

>>1995195
>unironically plays with TSR framegen
lol
lmao
enjoy playing with smeared shit on screen and laggy inputs

>>1995199
> Smeared shit
Nope.
> Laggy inputs
Barely noticeable.

I made it to Emerald 2x seasons in a row so far with fsr + tsr, works on my machine

>>1995206
Reaching emerald is not a flex lol

but hey if you legittimatley can't tell when your inputs are laggy in a game as fast paced as this, then good on you lmao, clearly you don't need it.

My specs are Ryz 7 2700X and RTX 2070, game running at upscaled rez from 1080p with DLSS, no framegen. Median FPS are map dependent but average to 70-80, with SEVERE dips during high action and destruction/multiple enemies on screen. You're also playing on a laptop.

>>1995228
legitimately*

>>1994866
>If the finals was more military and higher player count do you think it be more popular?
More military? Nah, people are fine with cartoony or gameshow type games akin to maybe MNC or TF2

More players per match? Hell yeah man, people won't wanna hear this but 2 teams against eachother of 16 players duking it out in a destructable arena is more fun than being stuck in a 3v3v3(v3) where you can get shot by multiple teams all the time. Only gamemode that gets close to that is powershift.

>>1994866
More players and more regular modes would grab people the issue is the main mode is too obtuse for new people

Anybody from South America here? Is World Tour or Ranked playable?

>>1995228
> Reaching Emerald is not a flex
Oh, word? So you're Emerald too, right anon? :'^)

>>1995228
> 2070 user bragging trying to shit on me for using framegen
...You're joking, right? You're like one step above a 1660, retard. Fucking lol man

>>1995310
More like almost 30% better
>>1995303
Boo, it appears i'm not... shame... well maybe you can show me all your diamond rewards maybe?

>>1995335
>>1995310
Besides, my point is that despite me having a better GPU, it still runs too badly to even begin to consider using framegen, let alone on your rig.

>>1995335
>>1995346
> 30% better
> Yet you get crashes all the time without framegen
Meanwhile, I get 0 crashes with OR without framegen on a 1660 lol.
Skill issue my boy, no refunds!

>>1995358
I don't use framegen tho, I upscale it
anyways, suck my balls retard, stay dumb

>>1995362
...and you still get crashes with your gay 2070 while I never crash. XD You got hustled broski, I feel for ya desu senpai.
Maybe next time try actually having an RTX card above 3000 before trying to stunt on someone lmao

>>1995390
For the record, I've never once mentioned crashes, this a headcanon you completly made up btw.

>>1995393
Oh, my bad- I should've clarified "SEVERE dips", that I also still do not have an issue with, ever
Hold the L
You belong to the card generation that was beta testing for the RTX series kek

>>1995335
> Emerald isn't a flex
>> Diamond multiple times, yet still not Emerald, ever
...?

>>1995335
>2025
>still doesn't realize that the only person who gives a shit about Ranked is Nexon
Dude, embarrassing.

people having issues with performance in the only well optimized UE5 ever made. Is this game just full of thirdworlders or what

>>1990878
Dude this shit is the reason I stopped playing. Double barrels are whatever, but the fucking game was advertised like it's a 3v3v3 heist, but doing anything that's not killing the whole team is pointless. C4 has one charge now, but what got me to install the game was the clip in the trailer where they dropped the cash out 2 floors and stole the cash out. They keep catering to the dumbest faggots and this shit feels like counter strike with more walking and third partying instead of an intense multiplayer heist.

>>1995683
what kinda logic is that, being a well optimized ue5 game only means it's well optimized relative to other ue5 crap, not that it's a well running game overall

>>1995957
I don't understand how retarded people like you function in life. Were you dropped on your head as a child? Do you not read books?

A well optimized UE5 game relative to other UE5 games, is in fact, a well running game overall.

Are you just stupid or underage, maybe?

>>1995957
>being a well optimized ue5 game only means it's well optimized relative to other ue5 crap
No it doesn't. That's just how you're trying to contextualize it to cope.

Why would anyone use the heavy rotary shotgun ever? I can't think of a single reason to use it over any other gun, except that it's maybe the fourth best weapon for hook kills.
It has none of the advantages of a shotgun and all the disadvantages.

>>1997064
How many UE5 games are well optimized?

>>1997161
Namely, The Finals? You know, the game this thread is about?

>>1995228
I'm also on a laptop

Why does my game keep dropping to 30fps?
I can run it at 60 just fine but it insists on dropping to 30 and it keeps throwing me off in fights

>>1999275
turning off the power saving stuff made it stop, I'm guessing it was thinking I was tabbing out for some dumb reason?
Very annoying

>bonking people with the healing emitter counts for Gadget Damage
heheheheheheheheh
It also apparently counts for arena prop challenges too, which is less funny and more useful.

>first ranked placement match
>teammate is sledge heavy ignoring the objectives to just smash walls
thanks

>>1999377
>second and one teammate goes afk
I might fucking kill myself

Damn, they really made heavy so much worse to play

How casual friendly is this game? A friend suggested it but he's the neckbeard type and I don't trust him with anything multiplayer related.

>>2000050
its a shooter with fairly simple goals
crossplay is enabled by default so every game is full of 'rollers

>>2000393
and even when you turn it off, you'll still get rollers because it ain't input based mm

Playing this makes me feel so old and fucking busted man
I swear I didn't suck this much when I played in season 0 but holy fuck my aim is atrocious

>>2000618
Skill issue.
I'm 31 and kick ass at The Finals and R6: Siege, but that's probably because I've been playing video games since I was a kid
I think anyone above 30 who sucks at FPSes probably has no actual history with gaming

>>2000050
It has almost an infinitely high skill cap due to mechanics, and tryhards like me been playing since launch.

>>2000618
Run medium p90 it's literally brain dead. Easy escape with demat. Easy gap closer with jump pad. Or be a heal slut

Does death cam replay show the persons input if they are using controller

>>2001330
Death cam barely shows the death cam. 1/3 times its just broken animations for me

>want to get all the achievements
>half of them are luck based shit you have to actively look out for
its over for me

I've been really enjoying heaven or hell bros. Such a goofy fun gamemode.
>>2000050
It has like 6 gamemodes at any given time, 2 of which has sweaties because you get rewards from grinding those. (Ranked and world tour). The rest are pretty carefree fun.

>>2001330
you can tell a controller killcam from a kbm killcam, they have zero recoil

When will get a badass older woman as a character? We’ve got like 3 older guys now yet not a single older woman

>>2002626
I like Heaven or Hell but the Chinese Won't Let Us Call It Hell, but I feel like it's held back by the Spear's alt-fire. If they were somehow able to stitch the Sledge's bonk onto it, so you'd have better access to destruction and a more meaningful choice with your alt-fire attacks (since the spin is pretty much useless), then it'd be perfect

>player 1 elim and 10 deaths in heaven or else
>he charges and pushes me off the map
I hope you get raped to death

>>2001940
> Got the achievement for 150 wins as Medium and Light
> Painfully struggling to get the achievement for 150 wins as Heavy
Who the fuck willingly signs up to play Heavy? It's shit. You have 0 escape ability and just get hunted down by swarms of lights or mediums endlessly rezzing themselves.
Fuck this

Why is it that some matches theres one guy whos spear *always* sends people flying a mile, is there some autistic tech here?

>>2003205
get owned

>>2002981
It's there just so you have a chance when people inevitably gang up on you because the pokes can't hit more people.
>>2003240
Poke angle, health of whomever is stabbed and movement all affects knockback. Its funny because you can just tap jump and Charge and slam the ground next to low health enemies and send them flying.
>>2003205
I've killed so many teammates with a jumpad trap lmao

>>2003399
>It's there just so you have a chance when people inevitably gang
Doing the swirl is already shut down by one poke, let alone a swarm of them. It does nothing for that purpose at all, and you're honestly better off trying to poke yourself a window out to get away. There's only a few select counters where a spin can actually get you out ahead, and requires some really specific footwork.

>>2003227
i like playing heavy, the charge attack is fun and akimbo/spear are cool but goddam the class sucks ass, i only play it in powershift ucz thats the only mode where i can perform relatively well with it

uh oh sweaty did you want to have fun in quick cash? noooo sweaty you got matched against 3 lights who can spray you down through smoke with no recoil

BF6 is gonna kill our game

>>2003460
they are nothing alike

>>2003460
Yeah sure bud. I bet you really are such a big fan of The Finals

>>2003227
as heavy your goal isn't chase chase chase tdm light bullshit, it's all positioning, stall, making lights suffer for daring to w+m1 and dash spam in your direction

>if you miss *any* shots with your weapon as heavy you're essentially garunteeing you lose that fight
>a light can dash around you like a fly and reload 8 times but if he sprays into your guts with at least 1 of those clips you're dead
>a competent light will just do it in one clip because their controller aims for them

>>2005119
This is why winch + SA12 combo is meta for heavy. Light with any SMG (Namely the ARN in particular) can completely melt any heavy out in the open easily, and it's hard for the heavy to contest against that with his own rifles unless he has laser-precise aim.
With winch/SA12 all you have to do is get out of the open by running around a corner or indoors, wait for the Light to chase you down, that pull him face-first into your shotgun slugs for a free kill

>>2005119
>if you miss *any* shots with your weapon as heavy you're essentially guaranteeing you lose that fight
This is why I still don't understand what the fuck they're thinking with the KS-23. The "point" of the weapon is intended misses, with most walls requiring enough shots to put you in the realm of requiring absolute perfect accuracy to get a kill on Medium or Heavy without reloading.

AND it's one of the slowest Heavy weapons to kill anyways
AND it's one of the slowest reloads around
AND it's got super aggressive falloff

>>2005251
I think Heavy just needs better guns period. Even the newly-introduced BFR is dogshit because:
a.) Very slow reload
b.) Very limited ammo
c.) Very slow firerate
There's literally no reason to pick the BFR over the Akimbos.
I think the only passable guns Heavy has right now are the Akimbo deagles, M60, SHAK, and SA12

>>2005119
Winch has some of the most forgiving hitbox i'v ever seen and at that point light is just deleted if he steps within 10m. The real issue the lights that never ever get close enough to get winched in the first place

remember when this was marketed as high time to kill?

>>2005417
Not even then neccessarily, if he has all his dashes and you have bad close range tracking, he can still kill you. Light weapons just deal so much damage and heavy so little the class healthpool disparity is reversed.
For example: you winched an ussuspecting light. The light has a double barrel shotty.

>>2005517
Won't do them much good. The strength of the double barrel is ambushes, as 0.75s TTK is hard or downright impossible to beat if you have to react to the first shot. Human reaction time will just eat into that no matter what, giving you an incredibly small window to acquire your target before the TTK battle becomes unwinnable.

However, if you've winched them, then that's not a factor, and you should be able to melt them. You have to have a gun as slow as the KS-23 to not win that fight.

>>2005527
post clips

>>2005532
brown.

Been trying medium's incend shotgun, I'm loving this thing.

>>2007564
it's a lot of fun

Apex Legends Global Series: APAC North Regional Finals!!!
Ermmmm, I mean THE FINALS Majors next month! Hype!

>play ranked
>faggot yapping in my ear about how I'm playing wrong
>leave voice
>stands still to spazz at me over text chat instead
The Finals(tm)

>>2007764
is there a way to disable text chat and voice lines?

Are we ready to admit the flamethrower shouldn't have been nerfed?
Are we ready to admit c4+explosive canister was fun

>>2007887
Most people can agree the flamethrower shouldn't have been nerfed. It's predicated on an idea that just doesn't actually work out for it in the majority of scenarios, other than to be a counter against lights that actually bother to play to light's close quarters gimmick

Nukes, people will always complain about because they're big fucking babies that need The Finals to be a serious game and they totally didn't deserve to lose to getting blown up in big funny bomb wah wah wah wah wah wah wah

Wow, sword really is overpowered bullshit, I knew sword lights were hard to deal with but I didn't know it was as easy as run directly into the enemy and click and until they explode

>>2007887
Beta flame was retarded op, the afterburn lasted a whome match and the flames would fill your screen. I think it's in an ok spot and for a bit during the last month of S7 was the only reliable countermeasure to the fuckin riot spam.

Nukes were just op man. One time I wiped an entire team with a canister. Funny to do to people but cancerous when done to you, especially since it had zero countermeasures.

>love melee weapons
>absolutely shit in almost all gamemodes except powershift
>only light sword is good anyways
sigh...

>pick Medium and run the EMP trap
>have sex with melee Lights in World Tour
this is great!

>>2008066
lol

>>2008066
Hm. Maybe giving the class with the best mobility and is hardest to track in CQC scenarios a sword isn't the best idea?
Nah. Fuck that. Greenlight it and nerf Medium's shotguns.
> t. Embark

>>2009161
BTW, it's the absolute best feeling in the world as a medium player to be on low health from some faggot light spamming left click with sword and throw down an explosive mine that you think will kill the light, only for them to sword-dash through the explosive mine, tank it, and kill you simultaneously while surviving with 5HP afterwards and fucking off elsewhere.
Love it! :)

>>2008066
>use medium's dual swords next
>a whole team is infront of me
>I get flashed so I am fully blind
>hold block
>enemy heavy kills his own medium by minigun brrting into my reflects
Melee is so fun, fuck needing to aim, I hate needing to aim

>>2009161
>best mobility and is hardest to track
The funniest part is that, even in Melee vs Melee scenarios, the Light still has an inherent advantage against other classes due to being small, as it's incredibly easy to whiff over their heads if you're not aiming down, which fucks with everything regarding turning and situational awareness even more.

Really, is there any light weapon that ISN'T overtuned as fuck?

>>2009444
Dagger, M26 matter, and bow
That's about it
And yes, I know some of you think the sniper rifle should be on the list of dogshit weapons, but ruby sniper lights will make you want to uninstall the fucking game because they'll blow your head off while you're in the middle of fighting off 2 teams

>>2009459
Dagger can oneshot everyone but heavy with a sliver of health, but I guess you can't dash through and 180 people anymore to reliably win every encounter.
Matter is a model on stereoids and with a magazine.
I have the same grievance with the bow as you do with the sniper. It is hard to use but if you encounter someone who can, it's miserable to play against. The bow does not change its projectile behaviour nor has any damage falloff compared to the sniper. And can be spammed to finish you off too. Luckily there's like 3 lights in the game that know how to use it.

They all require better positioning, tactics and knowledge to use that the "click on heads" guns but they're all incredibly strong still.

do we have a 4chan club or anything?

>>2011307
>Join "Vidya" in the clubs to find other anons to play with

>playing flame hoovy
>two randoms want to team with me after we win
>win a game and queue into another
>enemies are like 3 melee lights, 1 sniper, 1 knives, and a sledge heavy
>living in suffering
>randoms bail
>get two new randoms
>go from dead 0 to winning
Leavers are weak little bitches

>>2011362
flamethrower is always a fun time

>>2009823
Bow is the best weapon in the game if you can realistically head shot it's the ultimate light counter and ultimate range and upclose tool if you can flick. But like you said it takes a lot of in game knowledge and not just raw mechanics to excel with the bow. but it's TTK is the fastest and not having to reload means you can solo entire teams if you can hit your shots

>>2009161
If you lose to sword that's a skill issue. Legit just run away and red barrel them or gas or goo or legit do anything but stand grouped as 3 with a stick in up ur tight hiney

>>2005303
It is legit a sniper. Can delete lights and delete mediums super super easily. It's hard countered by other heavies / shields but if you just rpg or team shoot it becomes legit broken

>>2003460
Nah just played hours of BF and wanted to play the finals ranked to actually display skill and not just random spawn die/ bloom bs kills. Actually out play and out think your oponent. Not to mention you can sledge only doorways and entry ways and some buildings it's like finals lite. More just a fun game with friends not a competitive / strategy intensive game

>>2012040
Mega cope
In a game where there's endless chaos and people running all over the place, you can get ambushed by sword light at literally any moment for free
Not saying they'll be able to keep getting away with it, but with as cheesy as the sword is, it's inevitable you're going to get killed by it at least once

is this game worth getting back into? i dropped it once they pushed the sponsorship bloodsport nonsense. (im a healslut)

>>2012213
The only cope is you my man.

>>2012442
> i dropped it once they pushed the sponsorship bloodsport nonsense. (im a healslut)
Fuck off back to Overwatch, looney troon
I don't want you in my lobbies shoving your head up our Heavies ass and fumbling clutch 1v1s our team needs to win whenever Heavy finally dies because you're lost and panicking like an idiot

>>2012442
I'm having fun and I dropped it back during season 1 cause all the heavy nerfs made me mad
please return, I miss all the healer mediums back in the old times, its so fun to just w+m1 at people while being pocketed
Also light now has a healing gadget, its more big bursts than the sustain of the heal beam if that interests you

>>2012475
...I don't understand your argument here. Are you trying to imply that you're so magically good at the game that you'll NEVER get killed by that one level 70+ Light that's been Emerald for 3 seasons tryharding with sword/dash?
Stop being contrarian with your "Nah bro, I'm just built different" autism, it's genuinely embarrassing.

>>2012485
notice he'll never post clips

>>2012485
You don't get it bro, he'd just start seeing red or something!!

>Arc Raiders this month
Any Finalsisters going to check it out?

>>2012823
money better spent on the finals desu

>>2012823
>new ip
>bad name
>extraction shooter
>not f2p
dead on arrival

>>2012823
yes, ive realized embark can do no wrong especially considering Finals bodies the crap out of CODttlefield 6.

>>2012823
Nah, not when I have to pay dosh. I was willing to stick with my interest in it after it switched from PvE to PvP, as despite everything, I still genuinely have faith in the extraction genre eventually putting out some more bangers, but not if it's paid.

>>2012823
I'll try the free weekend this weekend, dunno if can justify dropping cash on the game right now

>>2012442
nah

>>2012823
>Extraction Shooter
>Third Person
These 2 things alone should put off anyone with a functioning brain
>Went from F2P to Paid (40 dollas)
>Went from PvE to gay PvPvE
>No reason not to run Heavy shields with shield regen mod
>Any weapon below purple grade is pure dogshit and you'll simply lose fights
>they're tacking on crafting like it's a big mechanic when at best you'll make a quick bandage or shield cell
>Proximity chat is there but nobody uses it
>Everyone is just on KOS mode
>Afaik, loot isn't shared, so there is zero incentive to party up with strangers found ingame
>enemy design is boring (I literally cannot tell the fireball and rollbot apart other than one is smaller than the other)
>big enemy boss fights are simply asking to be 3rd party fests where the enemy team either waits until you finish your raid or they just take potshots


but worst of all
>swedish developers
Calling it now, it will be shit for a good year or so before they "fix" some of the things and say "bros... we're so BACK"

>No new map
>Instant Replay (doesn't work half of the time and tanks FPS)
>New destruction (but only on set buildings)
>No new specs since S3
>P90 is meh
>BFR is overtuned
I dunno, feels super barren for a whole new season

>>2013119
I can excuse that a season with a Major is a bit lighter on new content, but to compensate, they should've really cranked up the amount and wackiness of LTEs and the World Tour modifiers. Especially something that might've actually done well to show off the new features. Like doing Blast Off again but this time with suspended structures, or having permanent Mega Damage enabled the entire match.

>>2013124
I just want the stuff they put in the game to atleast be finished and not underbaked as hell. What's the point of a killcam if it doesn't work and half of the players won't even turn it on?

>>2013125
Who cares

>>2013117
Hunt Showdown is paid and still has a large playerbase even after all these years. It will succeed because it's competition is a stinky inventory management simulator played by cheating RMT chinks and russians.

>>2013155
tbf, all the other games have atleast a hook to them
Tarkov is for cheating russians and gun retards
and Hunt is about le spooky voodoo swamps
Arc is just nasapunk postapocalyptic with robots. The style of Arc is all over the place

When did the opinion on the BigFuckingRevolver flip here? Nobody was happy with it until... they nerfed it recently to not work with winch/lockbolt...
Hold on are you falslagging lights?

>>2013238
the BFR is still good but it's a precision weapon so you're losing consistency which means you dont bring much to most team fights.

>>2013238
I've only seen a couple posts saying it's amazing and a couple saying it's bad so not much has changed

>>2012442
>(im a healslut)
>dropped the game when the dedicated medic skin got released
you're sending mixed messages anon

>>2013238
the bfr was always good and rather overtuned, giving heavy range and damage isn't the best idea

that said, liggers can get fucked, oh boo hoo, you got winched and killed and therefore the weapon is "op" and the winch is "too strong" wet we never talk about how you can dash omnidirectionally in the blink of an eye and still pepper me with a trillion damage per second, fuck off

>>2013786
dash doesn't stun people with a hitbox so forgiving you can miss the entire thing and turn to catch them on the pull in.

>>2014033
winch doesn't kill you before you can react
just dash through the heavy and magdump into his back and instawin
its what your class is made for

Liggers should just stay out of balancing discussion as long as they have
>a melee that can close distance with it's own mechanic
>a melee that oneshots every class in the game
>a shotgun that two shots every class in the game
>a sniper that two shots any class in the game
>the best mobility tool in the game. With three charges and a short cooldown. On the most mobile class.
If you can't see it's total bullshit that heavy getting nerfed because they were able to use a specialization and a gaget to combo a kill on the smallest health pool class in the game, while light can "combo" the largest health pool class in game by pressing LMB again since forever, you should sit down and stay silent.

>>2013172
the setting is closer to a typical Used Future kind of vibe ala star wars or 40k. or if youre a weeb, something like VOTOMS. true NASApunk i think needs actual space travel.

>>2014888
what's that? more heavy nerfs?? can do!

>>2014888
Don't forget the ARN. Aside from a couple specific stats, it's objectively superior to every Medium Assault Rifle, and for those few stats where it isn't a complete blowout in favor of the ARN, they are--at worst--just simply equal to the gun with the best version of those stats. Light's just allowed to do it all.

aight chat, tell me with complete honesty, what weapons do you think are the ABSOLUTE best right now for each class in the game?

I figured out how to nerf dash: can't dash forward. Still side to side and backwards but not forward in any degree

get rid of dash
>2 light classes
>3 medium classes
>4 heavy classes
the game is fixed

>>2015059
Light:
>it depends
Medium:
>it depends
Heavy:
>it depends

>>2015072
Just slash it to one dash charge.
>but-
No

>>2014447
>winch doesn't kill you before you can react

Not anymore. That was the problem before.

>>2015059
Light:
93R or M11 (if you're on a trolla)
Medium:
CB or FAMAS. FCAR if you just can't let go.
Heavy:
ShAK if you can't aim
If you can aim, SA12 or BFR

>>2015072
Either put it on one/two charges like >>2015383 said or imo, put a fucking cooldown between uses. Like a second or so before you can dash again.

Another fix would be to make it so you can only dash where you're looking, but I don't think it would be enough

i like cerberus and akimbos
i dont play lights, my wifi fucks me over and im generally a shitter so i die too fast

>>1976478 (OP)
Well bros, this is it for me. I've played The Finals sporadically since Season 1.

After reaching level 80 this season and hitting Emerald 2x in a row, I don't think this game has anything else left to offer me. In retrospect: Is The Finals overall a good game? Yes. But, is The Finals overall a FUN game? Ehhhh. I've noticed too often recently that in the sweaty World Tour matches I'm in, my teammates are regularly below level 40, and even in some cases- as low as level 20, and even level 10.

That is NOT fun. And, let's be honest- this sort of godawful, unfair matchmaking is a core fixture of The Finals and will continue to be so in the future.

I really can't abide by it any longer. However, will all of you here continue to suffer through it? And if so, for how much longer?

I'm out, my boys. Good night and good luck.

>lights who literally never revive
>have the audacity to request staying together as a party
Suffer for your greed

>>2016602
It took you this long to hit Level 80?

>>2016611
well he said he's only been playing sporadically

>>2016605
Light is unironically the best reviver with the grapple though

>>2016703
Too bad they're all busy playing dash sword and greeding for kills

>>2016724
God that image absolutely reeks of insecurity
>I don't like this game
>but I don't want to feel like it's because I don't get it or it's not for me or I'm not good enough to enjoy it
>so I'll try to say that none of the "actual gamers" actually seems to like it (i.e. just me because I'm autistic and that's one of the symptoms of autism)

>>2016773
He's right. Every few months some big youtuber will dick ride the shit out of this game. Say it's the most fun they've ever had and no other game is as good. Then they stop playing after 2 weeks and never talk about it again.

>>2016778
I don't give two dicks about Youtubers, who do exactly that with EVERY fucking video game.

>>2016783
Yeah well youtubers/streamers decide the fate of games nowadays. I don't like it either but I'm not gonna pretend otherwise.

>>2016773
desu I kinda agree with the sentiment. Considering just quitting, game's lost it's luster for me a long time ago.

im trying to get all hecking cheevos in ps4, im suffering

>>2017206
Ironically, the last one I had to do was 150 wins as light. Completed most of them within like a month, except for the ones requring cumulative rewards.

>>2017206
>>2017503
Get a job.

>>2016799
No they don't, stop justifying watching other faggots play video games

>>2017709
>only heavy in a lobby of mostly lights
>grab my flamer and lockbolt
>routinely get a bunch of elims
>my greedy retard light teammates suicide into the enemy somewhere else anyway
even when you feast, there is famine

>>2017555
>play game
>somehow that's a problem
spiteful fag

>>2017555
Get two

>>2016799
Lmao, how old are you? Anyway you'll eventually realize cause and effect is reversed for most things people like to claim otherwise. Or blame pic related

>Ape Squad got kicked because 2 players are russians and one is ukranian
>Another team will sub them
you can't make this shit up LMAO

>>2018419
You absolutely can, because no one gives a shit to know one way or another

What do you think is better overall, the ARN or the LH1? When I play light I like to have some range and use the mobility to quickly set up crossfires with my teammates.

>>2020985
Arn unless you have a controller or godly recoil control for the lh1

>>2020985
ARN is by and far the superior generalist option. At the end of the day, you need to be able to face magdump in a spray and pray.

>>2020985
ARN is superior but you should be running the 93R for everything besides long range beaming.

>>2020985
if strictly talking about ARN vs LH1, the ARN beats it out
but overall, like >>2021263 said, the 93R beats both out

>>2020985
ARN > 93R > LH1
You need to be way too precise and laser-accurate with the LH1 just to get slightly better results

>>1976478 (OP)
How the hell do you people seriously enjoy this game? While it's a fun game, it's not particularly skill-based, and if anything most matches feel as though they are decided by pure luck and chance simply because, for example, purple team with it's lineup of massively negative k/d shitters got lucky enough to 3rd party you while you were too busy fighting off orange team from stealing your cashout.

Getting 3rd partied in DA FINALZ doesn't feel fun or thrillingly tense and suspenseful like it does in Hunt: Showdown or Tarkov, because it really doesn't feel like "Oh man, I just got 3rd partied because I was outskilled", it feels more like "Oh man, I just got 3rd partied because spawned within 15 feet of me during the last 20 seconds of my cashout".

I feel bad for any of you here that take an RNG game like The Finals seriously enough to play ranked. I cannot imagine betting my ELO or MMR in a game that is about 70% luck and 30% skill lmao

>>2021950
Also
> Inb4 some braindead faggot replies with "NAH BRO FILTERED, I'M A TOP 0.01% RUBY PLAYER CHIMING IN TO SAY THAT 3RD PARTYING IN DA FINALZ TAKES MAXIMUM SKILL AND COORDINATED EFFORT WHILE TEN GORILLION EXPLOSIONS AND CHAOTIC SCREEN-SHAKING EFFECTS PERFECTLY HIDE THE SOUND OF MULTIPLE TEAMS APPROACHING XD"

>>2021950
>>2021952
If someone can reliably climb ranks then their opinion about rng or the lack of is worth more than yours.
I'm sorry you can't hear the loud as fuck sound it makes when a cashout is being stolen. I'm sorry you're not running utilities that help prevent a steal. I'm sorry you play light and explode the second any AOE effect goes off so you can't dare to actually defend the cashout.

>>2021950
Yeah, you did get 3rd party because you were outskilled. You just don't realize it because the game is chaotic with a ton going on at once and a beguiling sense of familiarity that ends up fucking up noobs like you. It's understandable until you start bitching like this, then it's just a matter if you fucking off if you're so dead set on being a bitch before you even ask a fucking thing you retard.

>>2021950
it's more with how the spawn logic is incredibly fucked and actively pushes 3rd parties. Doesn't help that doubling the last and letting the team of shitters pass is still a thing and the only time they did something to combat this, it was by misatke and reverted in a hotfix. I've always hated how you can do everything right and still lose because a team of mouthbreathers decided to join in on the fray and fuck us over.

>>2021955
nta but I've played ranked a lot, got diamond every season and this shit is pretty common, especially when there is a team with known good people in the lobby. Nobody will focus them and every other cashout will be 3rd party bonanza where i'm essentially playing quick cash. And then they double last and let the guys with 0-6 through

>>2021962
>And then they double last and let the guys with 0-6 through
Heheheheheheh, every fucking time
Newsflash pal: kills don't mean dick at the end of the day. Sure, it's the simplest and more assured way of going for a steal, but what matters if that you cash out, and you simply got outplayed. Maybe spend some time practicing in Head to Head with doing stall steals and defenses instead of just going bang bang bang shoot em up cops and robbers and losing the 3rd Party Shootout for the 5000th time.

Seriously, you've only got yourself to blame, and it's Diamond players like you that make it so nobody respects Ranked.

>>2021961
again, you don't get outskilled when you get 3rd partied, you get outnumbered. Even just losing one teammate to another, unrelated team, to the fight is a huge loss. Obviously you can prevent it a bit but the nature of the game encourages this behaviour quite a lot and you can't always be prepared, especially if you're already engaging a team that's attempting a steal.

It's been 2 years and they still haven't figured out that last vaults should spawn 50-60 meters from the finals cashboxes to allow for a split instead of spawning 150 meters with 30 seconds on the clock.

>>2021969
>it's the spiteful anon that replies every post with "lol ur bad git gud rankoids amirite?"
ah my bad then, sorry if we were trying to have a discussion, carry on

>>2021972
I've nothing against Ranked, I'm saying that players like you that get to Diamond and then still don't understand the basics give it a bad name
>we were trying to have a discussion
Evidently not, given that you're trying to immediately escape criticism and differing perspectives within that discussion by going all schizo. I guess go cry in the D*scord until they edit spawns for the bajillionth time.

>>2021975
stay mad fag

>>2021961
> Yeah, you did get 3rd party because you were outskilled.
Megacope, shut your ass up
I guarantee when you get fucked up the ass by a team of negative kda shitters that spawned on top of you, you'll never think for a single second "Woah. I just got outskilled, fair play to those guys!!!"
Lol clown

>>2021981
don't bother replying, he's a retard that lurks here who's main retort is "git gud" and will be argumentative about literally anything.

>>2021981
>you'll never think for a single second "Woah. I just got outskilled, fair play to those guys!!!"
Actually do, kinda. Rather, I accept that it's my fault that I overextended and let a team that's been performing worse catch me with my pants down. I've basically stopped having any issues with third partying after I've changed my gameplan more to proper defense instead of just trying to gun them down.

I mean, come on man: you already know they'll have a health advantage in a straight fight, but trying to steal the objective that actually decides if you make it to the next round takes a significant amount of time and raises alarms. Play around the thing that actually matters. Stop thinking "I deserved to win, the game robbed me" and actually play by the parameters of the game.

>>2021982
Anon, why are you even here if you're just gonna call everyone you disagree with the same person and reduce disagreement in the discussion down to just being "argumentative." If you want to just shout what you want into the void, you're better suited for a blog than a forum.

no no no u don't get it
it takes 200% skill for a team going 0/4, 1/5, and 2/7 to double up a cashbox and unfairly make it to the final round and fight against a team going 7/4, 8/3, and 5/0
surely the 1st team won't get wafflestomped

>>2021998
Don't worry anon. You'll make it to the final round and find your answer some day.

>>2021998
>>2022006
surely, the 1st team will be able to win The Finals(tm) in a team vs team scenario where no 3rd partying is available!!
the finals is all skill and no luck, baby!! i love sucking embark's cock and their terrible spawn system, poggers! that's not embark's fault, that's totally mine!!

>>2022007
Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door
The /v/ - Video Games club is two blocks down

I think nobody would be as upset about third partying if it was also in the final round. Letting or even helping a weaker team third party a double cashout is something I'm guilty of as well. It's not easy to do and the reward is basically a sure win so it's a decent challenge. But let's not pretend they have a shot at actually winning, nor that it's sportmanship behaviour.
It's a format issue. It's also why boosting and exchanging wins is (allegedly) an issue in ranked at all. It's trivial to win if half the lobbby is on your side and impossible if two teams focus you, intentianally or not. Non-shit teams mind you.
Hovever I'm not gonna blame the people that do it. Nor scrutinize skill required to do it and avoid it. Not even embark for making it possible.
I solely blame Nexon.
I have no idea what it is with this publisher, but every game they make, get their hands on or even lose because employees stole it (yes this happened), get infested with the same kind of people; ones that will find a way to make the game as unfun as possible for everyone else, organizing better than most political parties to do it, but also reliably spend good money on edgy cosmetics in the game. Nexon's just like a jinx for me or some kind of seal of aproval that attracts these people. Don't get me wrong, every game has disbalanced and exploitable aspects, but not every playerbase makes it a huge issue. Must be even worse on asian server but fuck, I can't be the only one noticing people focus more on winning by any means necessary more than actually playing for fun recently?

>>2021995
>>2022007
stick to quick play

I like goofing with my friends in The Finals

>>2023014
>another powershift game ends with the player with the least objective score trading KD/M stats with the others
PTFO goddamnit

How about a throwing/melee hybrid weapon? Like a hatchet you swing with M1 and toss with M2. Would be worse than the sword up close and worse than the throwing knives at range but make up for it with variety.

>>2023671
Nah. After a certain point it's just throwing knives with a quicker quick melee. The closest I could see is if they added something like, throwable hammers for Heavy. Something that does some quick bashes up close but can be right clicked to hurl in a way that does a bit of splash damage. Heavy doesn't really have a melee weapon that requires a barrage of attacks, nor a splash damage weapon that explodes on contact, so it'd be a pretty good fit for those things.

The only reservations would be that it treads a bit on the Spear, and it goes a bit farther into the fantasy angle, whereas all the other weapons have so far kept themselves exaggerated but grounded.

I play Heavy. I use fleshbang. I use pyro gernade. I use spear. I use wall run through move. I kool aid man through wall, flashbangign and star wars kid dance with spear; yuor team is wiped

>>2023937
>dashes inside your ass
>spray and pray
tch nothing personnel, fattie

>>2023937
>I use pyro nade
why, I can sorta get behind pyro mines in specific cases, but pyro nades are the ultimate noob gadget

>>2023965
Cuz the Pyro Nades are good

>>2023976
meh at best, but are you having fun? If yes, then keep going, I don't give enough of a shit to police your loadouts.

>>2023983
Not him. I'm just corroborating the use of Pyro Nades. They're pretty good. The instant damage is worth it, and it's got use for on-demand area denial, and differing playstyles easily end up making that more valuable than Pyro Mines

>>2023983
I like to brust through and just bilned and flame and cause hell while I dance amidst fire and blind people

My dnance is baeutiful...I explode all over and twirl, the hit markers goijg crazy....people are mad but my beautful dance continues until the rom is empty...the phenix spear dance of bilnd...

>>2023996
hey as long as you find value in them, good on you

I however, stopped using pyro nades because I was getting too many kills with them. team kills

I smear shit on my chest....and begni the dance....the wall expoldes and I apear, stoicly moving sensually whipping my spear aroubd and hittign everyone nerciecleseley

>>2023941
>dashes in me
>gets blendered
lol n00b

>>2024093
Nah, they're great regardless, buttnut.

>>2024360
ok, no need to get defensive about it, youse whatever the hell you want

>>2024750
And there's no need for you to get so dismissive about it
>use whatever the hell you want
I'll use the Pyro Nade, cuz it's great, and there's no argument to the contrary

Never before have I played a game where I felt so much fear seeing the words "Major Mid-Season Update" and then relief when it has nothing for balancing

>>2024778
ok? I never said you can't? You have free will

>>2024859
they really should have though, they won't because the major is this close and they're probably stretched thin with arc raiders coming soon too. Wierd choices of timeframes
still no spawn rework

>>2024870
This is why you're a buttnut. Stop acting like a buttnut.

>>2024980
Why are you so insecure

>>2025005
Why are you such a buttnut

Wow this new LTM is so fucking shit lmao

>>2025376
Nah this is legitmately probably the worst game mode i've ever played in an FPS. Why the fuck is it a weird FFA instead of just like a standard infection game mode. Wow this is so unfun

>>2025376
>FFA
>only one person can win
>but when you become a zombie, you can't hurt your teammates (you can hook them and it's very frustrating when the sruvivor is getting mosquito bitten to death)
Honestly, who the fuck came up with this shit? Just copy halo's infection
Also the fact they're "ghouls" and not zombies makes me think that this mode was primarly thought for the chinese version of the finals

The pumpkin smash think is very good though, it's not unfair like the wheel of misfuortune

This isnt your finale yet, get up!

>don't actually have to play the crappy event gamemode to unlock the rewards
Oh thank goodness.

>>2026832
lil bro, this isn't vg, just let the thread die
there is nothing interesting to talk about this season anyways

>>2028258
>bumping while posting this

I'm re-downloading the game right now, I only played for like 10 minutes when it first came out.

Anything I should know as a new player, things to look out for. I just read someone mention that ranked doesn't matter, is it the same as FN?

>>2028948
>things to look out for
Biggest thing is to just have fun and focus the objective. They've done a bit to shore up onboarding lately.
>that ranked doesn't matter
Ranked is fine, at most it's just that each of the three main ways to play the game are played very differently. Ranked locks your loadout and punishes you for team wipes, so you need to form a plan around what people have and execute it well. World Tour is more anything goes, with big explosive events and free weapon swapping, so it's more about constant adaptation and having more overall game knowledge. Then Quick Play is basically a focused kill fest where everyone is attacking the same objectives with free and quicker respawning, so it's more about securing wipes.

Anything about Ranked """mattering""" or not is driven by two autists here. One idiot that thinks Ranked is the only true metric and tries to end any conversation with "muh Diamond." One idiot that thinks World Tour is the only true metric and tries to end any conversation with "muh rankoids." Both are morons that pursue a universal truth about which strategies """actually""" work. God help us all if a "Quick Play is the only true metric" anon arises.

>>2028948
No clue what FN is
i'd keep the game uninstalled desu

>>2028992
the anon who posted this is also one of the anons he claims not to be.

>>2029007
No, I am the thread OP

>>2029044
even sadder

>>2029057
Too bad. The discussion and appreciation of The Finals and all its facets will continue until morale improves.

>>2029059
just by reading the last 20 or so messages there really wasn't much discourse to go on

>>2029063
But it will nevertheless continue until morale improves, and you love it even if you'll try to poopoo up the thread in the meantime. You can't resist the sheer possibility of arguing about things like whether Head 2 Head should be swapped out for Terminal Attack.

>P90 comes out, does okay
>weeks passed
>now a ton of people saying it's a dead gun, noob trap, needs desperate buffs
i swear they do this with every medium gun

are the halloween cosmetics in the same pumpkins for all the players or its random? i missed a day and id be so fucking sad if i missed any of the cool cosmetics

>>2029424
Good question. Not like there's really any cool cosmetics in the chaff and I'd say only the full outfit is worth it (albeit really worth it for the pieces), but I'd say I got the sticker on the bottom left of my pumpkins

Where's that fucking MGL32 rework, Embark
You were supposed to make the weapon not-useless when you step anywhere outside of the high ground, Embark

>>2029531
How about making the spear good? Or dual blades?

All I can offer you is another buff to some random automatic.

I uninstalled the game after playing for 3 hours

I installed the game after playing for 0 hours

Installed after 6 hours

how's the game been treating anons lately?

>>2029531
The MGL is amazing and weapons are supposed to have weaknesses. Full autofags are spoiled.

>>2029689
>weapons are supposed to have weaknesses
It does, in the fact that it has subpar TTK and one of the worse reload times for Heavy in exchange for splash damage. You'd know this if you actually used it.

>>2029699
I have never had issues with the MGL's reload. It's one second shorter than it seems because of the flight time and your enemy is too busy going OH SHIT OH SHIT. By the time they actually do anything, you've already reloaded.

>>2029688
Not very well, honestly.
I hit Emerald 2 in WT solo last season and I've realized I don't really have any reason to keep playing. I tried grinding out ranked solo and it was virtually impossible to get above Silver with the godawful quality of teammates I continually got and how bizarrely punishing ranked is. Like, dude- I come from Rainbow 6 Siege, and I can honestly say ranked in The Finals is 2x harder than it is in RAINBOW FUCKING SIX, despite R6 being obviously the more mechanically challenging FPS.
I think I'm done with The Finals desu, probably just gonna uninstall it.
Like, the only reason for me to redownload it is when I finally upgrade my current rig (A 1660Ti/ Ryzen 7) to an RTX-capable GPU and enjoy the massive boost in frames and incredible graphics and effects.
That's it, really

>>2029786
dang, that's too bad

>>2029688
I joined 2 seasons ago and already got BP for free and having a blast with these loadouts.

>>2029383
It's never been anything more than a "meh" gun.

>>2029531
Never coming, it's a troll weapon, let it be just that

>>2029786
I feel just like you do, I've been playing this game since the second closed beta back in 2023 and i've gotten sucked into the hell that is ranked with consistent results but frankly? I want out, I simply don't have the same ammount of fun I used to have and the game's performance has been going downhill. IF i manage to upgrade, I might go back and give it a go at atleast 120 fps or above, but otherwise, I can't be assed to play at low low fps for a game that requires fast reaction times and high frames

>>2030211
>antigrav cube
>with MGL
I don't understand this. granades are hardly redirected while they phase through the gravcube's field

>>2030241

TL;DR It is the ultimate tool for de-aggroing enemies off you and making sure you can land your shots while the enemy has trouble responding or even noticing you.
I don't see myself ever running MGL without antigrav.

>can see enemies well enough through it to blow them up but they can't aim at me for shit
>even if you shoot from somewhere else the enemy assumes you're behind the field because it's hard to see the grenades
>lifts floor debris for clean shots and bounces
>throwing it into the middle of a room means enemies will be on the sides where enemies are much easier to blow up
>cuts off doorways, scares melee players, especially if you just shoot a grenade at the field; people smell a death trap and avoid.
>high ground advantage to MGL means you want cashout low but you can float it up if you're losing control of it (and keep it lifted with goo)
>yoinking cashout vertically makes the enemy move to stairs and other predictable spots to blow them up
>can float up and shoot grenades from unthinkable angles and bypass obstacles (when enemies are not paying attention to you)
>melee enemies (a weakness of mgl) never follow me through an antigrav field, letting me juke them this + charge and slam means I'm king of tight spaces and not them.
>one entrance antigrav'd other entrance explosive barrel = deathtrap
>easy second storey access on demand; MGL is all about right place/right time
>when bombarding enemies from below indoors, they can't see you for shit and they can't jump down after you

Basically it lets you dominate the low ground, while pyro grenade lets you control the high ground by pyroing one roof and bombarding the other; you can't really kill enemies on high ground but you can make them fuck off. Also, if you know enemies are in a room, pyroing one corner basically guarantees you'll hit enemies by shooting two other corners.

>>2030289
if anything floating enemies will shoot you more easily and you won't do full damage so idk what the big idea is here

Battlefield 6 won…

>>2030325
You definitely do full damage instantly by banking off the ceiling to hit the wall next to them, antigrav carries your momentum and that basically always means hitting a ceiling corner indoors for an easy shot that insta explodes. But it's not really about trapping dudes and killing them, it's more about enemies knowing that it can be a deathtrap so they steer clear... usually to a more obvious point of entry where my pro pipe is pointed.

>>2030384
You can just shoot out the cube though

>>2029383
It's a good SMG but why limit yourself instead of using an AR with more effective range? It's not even like it's strictly better at close range. When I use the P90 I'm like "yeah, I don't mind this" but I see no particular reason to pick it over the Famas or AK.

>>2030233
If anything, that's the consolation from it not getting the rework. That it's such a silly little goose that Embark never really felt the need to slap it like they have everything else, even though when the MGL32 actually works and is played on the right maps or the right cashouts, it can be an absolute menace.

Granted, I thought similar things about the Sledgehammer, but then people started using it with the claw and got my baby boy taken away.

>>2030241
I'll throw my hat in and say: the MGL32 depends a LOT on firing height, and having the Cube does a LOT for that. Sometimes it's just giving you an instant highground, sometimes it's giving you a solid position outside a window that puts you at basically floor level for some real sneaky skatings.

You can achieve a lot of the same with Goo and Barricades, and they're arguably better since they're defensive and can set up ricochet angles, but it's really a lot of personal preference. I mean, if you're using the MGL32 to begin with, it in general is personal preference you've presumably actualized into effectiveness.

>>2030663
>You can achieve a lot of the same with Goo and Barricades
I mean yeah and those gadgets also have more uses than the gravcube

>>2030739
Hence the rest of that sentence that you cut yourself off at before replying.

>>2029786
> ranked in The Finals is 2x harder than it is in RAINBOW FUCKING SIX, despite R6 being obviously the more mechanically challenging FPS.
I think this issue right here is what will ultimately "kill" The Finals.
It's an exceptionally difficult game where you have to throw your back out just for a simple win, whereas in R6 or CS you can get easier wins in half the effort.
Really, it doesn't even make sense how The finals takes way less skill and commitment to play than CS and R6, but remains far more challenging

>>2030955
Like, I legitimately cannot recall the last time I ever had an "easy" game in the finals

>>2030955
Because every competitive mode hinges on the "1 team vs 1 team". People sleep on this, but having YOUR allies fight against YOUR enemies makes it so you never have to think about anything else other than playing the objective and winning. The Finals' 3v3v3v3 approach means you have 9 more enemies divided in 3 different teams, all working for their own goals and willing to do anything to atleast secure the second place. People can also be bad actors and tip the scale of the fight for your downfall by picking off one of your teammates during another fight. Terminal Assault aimed to fix this issue but the problem is that the game simply wasn't built for it from the ground up. One use gadgets, no respawn coins, no healing and the plethora of other problems.
In the finals you have to work really hard all of the time and always stay on your toes only to maybe get the second place.

>>2030955
>local The Finals players find out it's an objectives-focused game after 2000 hours

>>2030984
Retarded non-argument
Siege and CS are also objective-focused, moron

>>2031014
Nah, you already know it's different. Kills are way more powerful in those two games, and actually: as far as being objective-focused goes, the CTs aren't for the first half of a round. Your goal is entirely to try to get a team wipe before they plant the bomb, and it's far far FAR less feasible to get a ninja defuse when they're alive in those games. You're much more inclined to actually get the kill in order to do so.

Meanwhile, the TTK is (relatively) significantly higher in The Finals, and you're given a bevy of tools to stall out both attackers and defenders. Killing to get a defuse vs "Uh oh fuckoh we just broke down the wall, pulled out the cashout, and launched it down a city block so now we can defuse it while you have to sit and watch, alive and pretty"

>>2030211
aweoseom

About 40 hours in, fun game. You can definitely see the Mirror's Edge influence in the level design. Weapons are nice but feel a bit unbalanced, I like how it's only 1 weapon, no ammo management. Pretty generous with cosmetics for f2p. The destruction and how the player can interact with it is pretty insane.

>>2029688
Based riot shield user. Been trying to get to diamond but I keep getting fourth place and get little tiddlywinks of elo. I've also been playing with the minigun a little and found out that it actually shreads like no tomorrow. Here's my guy with his maxed out riot shield

>>2031238
>Mirror's Edge influence in the level design
It'd be cool to get that kind of near-future visual design as well, at least for one arena, but I guess it's unlikely to happen given that Arc Raiders doesn't really depict any of those kinds of buildings in the ruins of Earth and what not, and the whole thing with The Finals is Earth Nostalgia.

>>2031047
nta but kills in the finals are just as important when in a worst case scenario you can be assaulted by 3 teams at a time (rare but not super uncommon). Respawn tokens allow teams to recoup lost teammates without rezzing and wipe on loss can mean defeat for some teams, so sometimes you have to go on the hunt, even just to rake some money for your own team, since kills give cash. There's also the factor of there being 2 winners in a game but by the time the final cashouts are in play, the first team has free reign to basically do whatver they want. Do they want to save and just take it easy? Or do they wanna go and grief out a team because they're the top contenders? 2nd place teams simply cannot afford that luxury and must either commit to the split hoping the other split cash isn't enough for them to win or go for double and hope that the top team doesn't let the sandbags through or classic "the finals" bullshit happens?

The question is: "What's the solution to this?" and to that, I simply don't know. Head2Head is just boring because you winch the cash out, goo off entrances and spots for enemu winches, hold spawn peek angles from high ground and congrats, you'll win against most teams (i'm assuming this follows Ranked rules with no infinite coins and loadout switching). TA could never work simply because of the class disparity and there not being an "even" between them all. Light having the highest base health with faster health regen and dps weapons with evasive abilities made it cancerous to fight in this mode.

>>2031313
The minigun is such a disappointment for me
>chasing someone? Can't because of long ass spinup
>doesn't work well with any spec because it resets spinup
>becoming a stationary target in a game as mobile as this is pretty much a death sentence
seriously, when I played FAMAS medium, I was never once worried of minigun heavies, their only power is if there are multiple of them and they're camping with healing balls and a healbeam. And shield breaking I guess

>>2031457
>kills in the finals are just as important when in a worst case scenario you can be assaulted by 3 teams at a time
I'd argue that ends up highlighting the exact opposite. You cannot feasibly win a fight in a 3v6 or 3v9 or 3v6v3 scenario. There's only so far that you can pull them into overplaying their advantage, and after a certain point, it comes down to sheer luck and coincidence. Instead, it's a scenario where your skills at being wily, focusing on ambushes, and being able to stall become paramount. After all, no matter what, you just need to prevent a steal. Sure, that's tough as shit when there's so many of them and they can deploy their own defensive gadgets, but it's ultimately more realistic than trying to wipe them out.

>>2031457
>Light having the highest base health
I thought the classes still retained their standard health pools in terminal attack?

They should allow you to spend your tokens on swapping out to your Reserve items. A lot of strategies and such only thrive because you can't risk fully committing to their easily available counter, and by the same charge, a lot of items then get nerfed because they're too powerful as a counter and then would require an even sillier counter than that. Just let people pay a token to swap, simple as that.

Plus there's all this tech already in place to convey a swap happening without being clunky. They can easily generate the voice lines for Scotty and June, have a little pop-up in the corner if you want, or open the scoreboard and you can see the most recent swaps with their little contestant heads and team symbols next to them.

>>2031483
Unfortunatley you don't always get the luxury of that. If i'm getting focused by a team, it's really hard to then also prevent a steal from yet another team.

I've always thought it like this. Good game knowledge, positioning and timing will beat out raw kills. But skilled killers will always beat out people with good game knowledge.

there's also the other issues i've brought up on why ranked is flawed though.

>>2031489
They do but they do not regen all of it.
Light can only regen up to 100 hp
Medium to 125
and Heavy to 150

Lights benefitted the most from this because their base health is 150, so they lose only 50 hp BUT they have the fastest health regen and spec based escape tools, meaning they were not subject to item cooldowns for survival.

>>2031497
No real benefit in ranked since there isn't really a lot that makes you wanna switch to some weapon/gadget that hard counters it. Revives are MUCH more important. People (myself included) always get too stingy with coins always thinking "what if i need it for the next cashout in the next round?" but desu, I've learnt that they're a valuable resource even for taking the first cashout.

>>2031464
If I'm in combat I'm constantly spinning the thing. Basically just spin it, run and jump, spin it, run and jump. That way if I see someone I can just bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrr and they're dead. And personally I haven't really had that many issues with chasing people because of how fast the minigun kills. It can out-dps every other gun so you'll always win 1 on 1 fights. It's pretty hard to chase people as heavy anyways

>>2031602
>If I'm in combat I'm constantly spinning the thing. Basically just spin it, run and jump, spin it, run and jump
yeah that's what you're supposed to do but everything else is meh

just had a powershift match where I went against a minigun heavy and depsite him shooting me first, him being full, I stil won the engagement as a medium with a famas.

but if you like it more power to you i guess

>>2031313
the new level skin looks so good on the riot shield

What's everyone's rank. I'm plat 2 right now trying to hit diamond before arc comes out

>>2031238
The thing that keeps me coming back is the destruction, full stop. Everything else is window dressing. You can't play BF6 or Cod or fortnite and just delete all their gay little sniper towers with a rocket or demat campers out of their corners

>>2035222
The destruction is great but I also like the decent TTK. I get really sick of games where everybody dies super fast.

im gold 1 in quick match :D

>>2035426
Nice. Enjoy the free shirt

It surprises me how there's a somehow sizeable number of new players in Quick Play.I guess it's to be expected, that is where they live, but I didn't think that they were pulling enough in for my Power Shift games to be constantly bogged down by em

>light player misplays
>mashes dash through while holding m1 and it no longer matters
Hate these little fuckers like you wouldn't believe.

>>2035915
Then they didn't misplay

>>2035915
Panic dashing isn't even 10% as bad as someone who's actually good at using it to throw off your aim.

>>2035227
Im not fond of the TTK because it minimizes individual contributions to teamfights in favor of zerg rushes where you basically need a +1 to secure any eliminations.

>>2023976
They do maybe 50 damage if you throw it directly into someones face.

ive see way too many mediums not having the defibrilator in their loadouts, is there any reason why a med wouldnt have it equipped all the time?

>>2038448
No, it's the most "must have" gadget ever
unless it's tdm i guess

>>2038448
Some fucking retarded Z-list content creator convinced a bunch of retards after the defib nerfs that it was useless and having super situational gadget is better. I've seen mediums unironically run smokes and data reshaper over a defib.

I wish there was an old woman skin, the old man skins are cool and all but i want something for female loadouts too.

>>2039712
The Heavy Girl bodies could use a tune-up as well. Anything that shows their shoulders really tunes you in to the fact that they're just modified guy bodies instead, even without the glitch that lets you see under their clothes

>>2039712
>>2039715
We could go for like 4 or 5 more faces for both genders, a few new voices (Maybe some touch up on existing voices) and actual tits for the female models. We could do for more basic customization. New whacky 20 dollar costumes every 2 weeks is cool, but make my guy not ugly looking with a voice that fluctuates between ambiguous euro accent and long island accent.

>>2039712
>>2039715
>>2039725
just add the new faces Arc Raiders have

>>2038448
I don't use it anymore after all the nerfs. Prefer goo nade, it's good for reviving too and has a bunch of other uses.

>>2039770
out of curiosity, what are your other 2 gadgets