How do we make him OU again?

>>57894238 (OP)
get 1000 shitters to use it in OU, that's how it worked last time

>>57894247
/thread
It only got there to begin with since not only were they way less people on battle sims back then, but the average skill level was a lot lower too.

>>57894247
Someone back in Gen 5 was trying to argue that Electivire was better than Zekrom because it had a better ability, better base speed even if you don’t get the ability boost, and dramatically better type coverage. He even wondered why Electivire wasn’t OU this time around while Zekrom was banned to Ubers.

Some people are just really stupid.

>>57894270
It's crazy the things racism drives people to say.

>>57894238 (OP)
>him
her*

>>57894270
The type coverage doesn't matter because Electivire doesn't hit hard enough

Often times, a neutral STAB attack does more damage than a super-effective non-STAB one

>57894350
>you
*faggot

>57894372
>you
tranny*

>>57894238 (OP)
>better
Sheer Force
>OU
Mega/Significant BST optimization.

remove special split, bring back skarmBliss

>>57894238 (OP)
>Thunderbolt
>Flamethrower
>Elemental Punches
Sheer Force was made for this mon

>>57894357
>often times, 1.5X damage does more damage than 2X damage

>>57894238 (OP)
>How do we make him OU again?
it could always be OU if only it wasn't a retarded mixed attacker

>DUDE HOW DO WE FIX [Shitmon number #285734]
it's literally just that easy just give it a better spread and fitting ability
these kind of questions are getting dumber and dumber each time

>>57895240
Mixed attackers only suck if they don't have good abilties to carry them

>>57895394
Mixed attackers only suck if they don't have more than 600+ BST
dragapult can be a good mixed attacker because it has a shit ton of points to use while infernape with just 534 BST will always be mediocre as fuck

>>57894238 (OP)
It lacks good set up moves for one, give it Swords Dance and/or Agility.

>>57894247
Is there any other case of so many bad players thinking a mon is good that it ended up stuck in a tier it shouldn't be in?

>>57895182
uh yeah, if you start stronger, 1.5× can be more than a weaker 2×, especially since Zekrom has a base 100 Electric attack it can spam, while Electivire has to use the Recoil Wild Charge to achieve a similar Electric attack, or use Earthquake for a 100 base power move that isn't hilariously inaccurate. Zekrom also has higher bulk and more resistances, especially in BWOU where Fairy isn't yet a thing.

>>57895949
Most of the time, Pokemon stuck in a tier they suck in were already banned from the tier below and put in BL (which isn't playable), so the only option they had was to be used in the tier above anyway but just got so much usage they "became" that tier. Electivire is one of very rare instances of a Pokemon being trapped solely due to usage, but i think it also happed with Jolteon

>>57894923
skarmbliss never went away, retard.

>>57895402
infernape is still far better than electivire because at least it has high bp stabs.

>>57894238 (OP)
why'd they make her so shitty and trade evo if people like her

You don’t

>>57895266
/thread

57894379
we don't sign our posts here

>>57895266
>DUDE, NOW IT HAS STAB DOUBLE EDGE
>still getting outsped, intimidated and one-shitted by STAB Earthquakes because it has no bulk or speed
Retard.

Fur Coat
Plasma Fists
Drain Punch

Go play whatever Gen ruleset he was last OU in.
Current meta? No hope.

>>57895949
Yes. For a modern example, see Tinkaton.

>>57895240
Absolutely retarded take. Switch its Sp Att with its Def or HP or whichever you prefer and tell me that piece of shit is anywhere near OU

>>57897228
Tinkaton rose because of meta trends, it was in UU before rising to OU

>>57894238 (OP)
Make Motor Drive proc off rock type damage as well as electric, including Stealth Rock.

>>57894253
More like it was Schrodinger's shitmon either 2hko'ing most of the meta (sans Hippowdon & Cresselia) or falling flat on it's face

Give it Galvanize
>Suddenly has STAB priority (Quick Attack), Physical Thunderbolt (Body Slam), a Better Wild Charge (Double-Edge) and comedy options (Giga Impact, Facade)

>>57895169
/thread and give Magmortar the ability too while we’re at it.

>>57897263
>Absolutely retarded take.
Name 20 mixed attackers in ubers

>>57895949
Happened with Ambipom

>>57895949
Happens all the time, actually. Electivire just so happens to be the poster child of it because this many bad players rallying behind a bad Pokémon to stay in OU. RU tends to be the most frequent victim of bad players keeping a bad Pokémon in a tier it shouldn't be, because it often was the least played tier with a ladder.
There are 2 categories of Pokémon that usually ended up in this "Shit in RU but will never drop through usage". Popular Pokémon like Jolteon, Vaporeon, Typhlosion, and others i'm forgetting, or really overhyped set of traits on paper that doesnt pan out. Someone already mentioned Ambipom and his Technician boosted Fake Out, which in old RUs' bulky offense & balance dominant metas, did nothing but give free turn to shit like Cobalion or Rhyperior among others.
Then there's the Rapid Spinners, man bad players love bad spinners. Claydol, Donphan, Hitmontop, Hitmonlee, Forretress, and possibly others i'm forgetting all lingered in RU while being terrible at some point in Gen 5 through 7.
Claydol's possibly the biggest noob bait of them all. It takes 6% from all hazards, its got Rocks on top of spin, and neat coverage like Ice Beam! Surely it cant suck? Then you take 1 minute to assess the tier you're in, you've got Jellicent, Spiritomb, Cofagrigus, Froslass, maybe Gourgeist. How many of these spinblock you? Yep, all of them. You also have 70 in offenses so good luck hurting anything, and 60/105/120 with 6 weaknesses & no recovery means playing defense is very limited too.

>>57898873
With that reading comprehension, your IQ can’t be higher than 90. Electivire would still be shit even if it wasn’t a mixed attacker.

>>57896753
>>57898318
>they removed Return from the game
AHAHAHAHAH what the fuck, that was like a legacy move

>>57894238 (OP)
Hot take but I dont think he'd even be OU in any prior gen either.

The funniest fucking thing in competitive singles is Aegislash technically meeting the definition of a slow and frail mixed attacker, and it was so fucking good that it was the first Pokémon to have their bst nerfed since GSC.

>>57895949
here's one meme analysis
https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/metang/ru/

also pic related here's something from a gen 6 RU forum post from 10 years ago. i remember it took forever for hitmonchan to drop to NU

this autism was probably more common in the lower tiers


i can't remember when they changed the weighting so that low-ladder doesn't affect tiering anymore

as far as OU goes
there are a bunch of "OU by technicality" pokemon in gen 4-5 (meaning they were OU by usage when the generation ended, but no one uses them anymore)

look on the teambuilder on showdown.

from a tiering perspective, "OU by technicality" has the same effect as UUBL