Was he right? Did anyone else who lived through the gold silver launch remember it being a disappointment? Did you play gold and silver and give it up for digimon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ2xaANY3rk

>>57895139 (OP)
Buy an ad

What the fuck is that

>>57895139 (OP)
Yeah although it was dying off GS was the end

>>57895139 (OP)
Yes, that was the intention. Game Freak didn’t want to make Pokémon anymore so they made GSC an unplayable boring grindfest with a broken level curve full of shitmon, moeblobs, and babies, so that people would hate it and Nintendo would end their contract and let them make something other than Pokemon. It almost worked since GSC succeed in killing Pokemania but a tiny handful of Johturds astroturfed just enough sales to trick Nintendo into thinking people actually likes Gen 2 so Game Freak was forced to keep making Pokemon forever

>>57895139 (OP)
I DON'T CARE IF MONDAY'S BLUE

>>57895170
le epic repost

I was excited. The Hoenn launch disappointed me and Pearl made me quit

>>57895170
It makes sense, they wanted to you play the game 5 minutes at a time and wait day after day to stock up on balls from Kurt.

>>57895146
edward pokemonhands

>>57895214
edward scizorhands was right there.

>>57895139 (OP)
"Disappointment" compared to what? I was 10 I had school I wasn't consuming marketing materials in my free time. I had no expectations other than "more pokemon" and those expectations were met

>>57895139 (OP)
No it was peak hype

>>57895314
>"Disappointment" compared to what?
anything. Was it inferior to other sequels or things in your life.

>>57895139 (OP)
>Was he right?
Buy an ad.
>Did anyone else who lived through the gold silver launch remember it being a disappointment?
No, the games received critical acclaim.
>Did you play gold and silver and give it up for digimon?
No, I was too busy playing Pokemon Gold.

Seriously, what causes this mental illness? Why are zoomers so hellbent on trying to rewrite the history of events they weren't alive to experience?

>>57895139 (OP)
why is Robert Smith making pokemon videos?

>>57895139 (OP)
this>>57895314
we all loved pokemon and wanted more. we got more. we were too young to judge shit on a deeper level.

>>57895632
>Why are zoomers so hellbent on trying to rewrite the history of events they weren't alive to experience?
Probably because gold and silver are underwhelming games and it just doesn't make sense that everyone who played them thought they were great. Saying things like, I didn't watch digimon I was playing pokemon doesn't make sense either. Since you personally never dropped pokemon for digimon, does that mean no one did? Asking the pokemon fandom these questions is stupid though. No one in the fandom ever dropped the games, they left the fandom. Or when someone is critical of gold/silver it's "revisionist history" cause the games are perfect.

>>57895632
Agree with this anon. I was there, and 7 years old when GSC launched. Literally no one gave a shit about Digimon. GSC launched to massive Pokemania critical acclaim.

Why are zoomers so weird? They weren't there but they make shit up entirely. It's fucking bizarre. Is it because they weren't there for the advent of major technological and sociological events because everything is slop now?

>>57896727
Because zoomers are so stuck up their own asses that they’re effectively cut off from humanity and are fully aware of that. They can’t create or even enjoy things unironically, so they can only tear things down to make themselves feel about about the their own emptiness

>>57896700
>>57896727

GS was definitely popular but the craze started to fizzle out by crystal. And everyone that played the games loved them with people being excited to go back to kanto

>>57896727
>Literally no one gave a shit about Digimon.
Just because you only talked to the 2 other Pokenerds at school doesn't mean Digimon fans didn't exist

>>57895380
The anime drove the hype and the Johto seasons sucked ass

>>57896805
At my school it was the Digimon guys that were the odd ones in their little niche desu.

>>57896755
Crystal was the last hurrah. It was well and truly over by 2002, when RSE came out.

>>57896826
At my school nobody cared about Pokemon by the time Crystal was out

>>57896727
I love how people use different metrics to argue their point.
>I was there, and 7 years old when GSC launched
OK, so at 7 not old enough to really care that much, so the game probably was fine for you.
>Literally no one gave a shit about Digimon.
OK, it was a pretty successful franchise for it's time, so this is an observational bias and not at all a real point. Though it highlights you didn't know anyone, so saying "I was there" is also now highlighting you were living a in bubble. You're an unreliable narrator.
>GSC launched to massive Pokemania critical acclaim.
How would you know this? Or even care at the time? Did reviews sell you the game? At 7 did you sit and read to makes sure EGM liked it before you bought it? You being a fan, who knew other fans, all were satisfied. This isn't the issue though. The issue is people who didn't stay fans or become fans.

It's just wild to me, it's gold/silver were perfect and anyone who was there would think this, also the pokemon 4th movie bombed at the box office, ignore that.

>>57896826
Nah I remember everyone dropping pokemon when the ps2 was announced. Everyone gathered around gaming magazines and ads looking at it. It was jarring to see how quickly people dropped it. I was in the 5th grade at the time

>>57896815
I jumped through the video and he talks about this and it's really true. If you were 5 pokemon was probably fine, but at age 10? DBZ was cooler. The guy said ash and gary never battled till 2003 and I feel like that can't be true, but it does show how memoryholed something can be when it's so utterly bland.

>>57896844
People aged out of Pokemon during Gen 2 and most people were done with it by the time Gen 3 came out. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to believe

>>57896867
Then is 7 too old for the game? Cause then we are admitting they're not that good of games if being older than 7 is aging out of them. Im just looking for consistency and people to admit stuff like this. I understand it, but you're the first one to frame it like this.

>>57896891
>Cause then we are admitting they're not that good of games if being older than 7 is aging out of them
Yes, no Pokémon games are good.

>>57895314
>>57895907
love how gen 2 fags are now like "oh, NOW you have standards?"

>>57896727
I was 11 at the time. The only people who still liked Pokemon at my school during gen 2 were the hyperfixated weirdos. It doesn't have to be Digimon, ask them about school, sports, any other cartoon or video game and they don't care. Why would I associate myself with them?

>>57895146
A The Cure fan.

>>57895139 (OP)
It's well known by this point that Gen II killed Pokemania.

>>57895181
yes we know that toddies got conditioned to have shit taste

>>57896700
Johtoddlers are easily more fanatic and zealous than even Kantykes. You would have been stoned and burned at the stake for daring to blaspheme the heresy of Johto / GSC / Gen II being anything less than god tier. Many youth back then were peer pressured into the unquestioning acceptance that they were the best games. It hasn't been until the last approximately half a decade that the narrative received any real challenge and pushback---and it turned out that it crumbled and toppled over from it.

>>57896844
rekt and checked

>>57896975
I remember being at a LAN party at like age 15 and all the other high school kids were PC gaming and such. I was playing with the younger brothers trading for pokemon. Pokemon was neat, past tense, but people found other games to play.

>>57898262
when you get older you're supposed to stop playing the story mode and switch to competitive battling

>>57897664
>>57896906
Wrong faggot, just because you are a demented autistic faggot with a bizarre hateboner trying to start shit over some pet issue isn't a reflection of real life.

In fact, the origin of your retardation really stems from how Pokefags who were still hardcore fans of Pokemon had a hateboner for normalfags who would only care and praise Gen 1 because most of them dropped out of Pokemon after the fad. So initially, it was Gen 1 that was the target of a long lasting hate campaign during the late 2000s and early 2010s. However, soon, it eventually got old and Pokemon saw a bunch of normalfag return to the franchise via Pokemon Go and Detective Pikachu. The Gamefreak games no longer became the focus of the franchise and even the Pokefags who remembered getting bullied for still liking Pokemon at school because it was "baby stuff" were getting old.

So now, the Gen 2 games, which were always well-received (indeed, it was a common talking point during the Gen 1 hate campaign to compare Gen 1 unfavorably with Gen 2 to show how normalfags are "fake Pokemon fans" for thinking Gen 1 was good) became the new target of hate since it was the new sacred goose. And it all started because of ecelebfags who ragebait to get views by attacking GSC with these bizarre complaints. That includes you for thinking GSC was bad that it killed Pokemania. Of course, Pokemania was always a fad and it was gonna end eventually, and I imagine things such as the decline of the TCG, new fads appearing (like Yugioh and Beyblade) and the Pokemon anime becoming filler hell contributed to its decline more then anything else.

>>57898279
>which were always well-received
by who? oh the little autistic bros no one talked to when the normalfags moved on

>>57898279
>thinking GSC was bad that it killed Pokemania
the numbers literally reflect that
gsc lost over 15 million sales from rby

>>57898299
By everyone, in fact, if the games weren't well-received, you wouldn't be a faggot about them, because if they weren't well-received and well-liked or had a massive amount of nostalgia backing them, you wouldn't even give a fuck about engaging in your faggot hate campaign because no one would care that you would get so upset about them. Since no one is convinced by these arguments, that means you can maintain the hate campaign indefinitely. Until it dies out like the Gen 1 hate campaign. I mean, when one of the guys who started this campaign is a narcassitic lefty e-celeb faggot who wanted to ragebaitveiws, you know that this whole hatred of the GSC is insincere and done in bad faith. If it were RSE that had that distinction, you would go after it. If it were RBY, you would go after it (and your faggot ancestors on the net did do the very same thing in the 2000s).

Hating the GSC games really is a phenomenon that only exists with poorly socialized terminally online individuals in the Pokemon community and its actually rather fascinating from a psychological viewpoint that something like this developed because it really goes beyond the average genwar hate. In the real world, this opinion doesn't exist, in fact, it barely exists outside those Pokemon xitter/eceleb echo chambers.

>>57898325
it's more like the internet pokemon community just dethroned an imposter tyrant (Gen II) and is making sure nobody falls for its pretensions ever again

>>57898304
No, the numbers do not reflect that. Please tell me how this is proof that GSC are bad and they weren't well-received. I can look at Gamefaqs and look up contemporary reviews from gaming websites or from the average fan and see they were well-recieved.

Those numbers only showed that Pokemania was dying by 2000 and was essentially dead in 2001. Pokemon movie 3 did really poor at the box office but I think most people liked the 3rd movie. Of course, you forgot to factor in the fact that its not surprising that a third revision game that was just a mild upgrade of a game customers bought last year didn't sell well. Its not surprising that a game on a dying console was dying when the GBA was on the way. Its also not surprising that Pokemania was a fad that was going to die after 3 years of existing. Most fads don't last long.

Note that even though Pokemania died, GSC were still one of the best selling games for the platform, alongside RSE.

>>57898329
No you're just an autistic faggot creating an enemy in your head. And that is why I'm fascinating by the Gen 2 hate. I always assumed it was just bait, but nowadays, I don't know, you fags seem to take it seriously.

>>57898341
How do you use numbers then? People posting reviews online also are not a good metric. It tends to be fans who liked it and like talking about it finding another avenue to share enthusiasm. You think too binary. It's not Good vs bad. There's a spectrum. When a game is terrible people will let people know. When it's just mid, they don't do much.

I'd bet money that more people like Mario 3 than Mario 2 (USA) and you know what, it outsold it pretty hard. This is a reflection of the word of mouth, accessibility and creativity and general fun factor of the games. This doesn't mean 2 sucks and is bad and a failure. 3 just clearly out did what 2 was doing. Gold and Silver were not Mario 3.

A fad only becomes a fad because it dies. Cell phones are not a fad, they're part of society. Or 3D animated movies. Like Toy Story, it wasn't a fad it's now how all animated movies are made. Pokemon could have become a fairly common thing in society. It all depended on Gold and Silver out performing red and blue, which it did not. And there's very valid reasons for it.

>>57898341
>how is a 37% decrease in sales bad and not well-received
>I talked to my retarded autistic friends and they liked the movie so most people liked it

Gamefaqs had the same "eceleb" opinions on Johto years before the accursed Pchal video was made by the way.
>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960099-pokemon-heartgold-version/53215139
>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960099-pokemon-heartgold-version/54880063
>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960100-pokemon-soulsilver-version/73498316

>>57898393
very well said

>>57895139 (OP)
Not watching, but fuck no I was very invested in the GSC releases because I was already hooked on the first games. They had leaks in TCG magazine and online (pikablu) and I was theorizing hard about the new mons. Probably one of the hypest prereleases I ever encountered. Gen 4 and 5 were also very hyped up even if gen 5 didn’t make good on it.

>>57895139 (OP)
>Did you play gold and silver and give it up for digimon?
Man Digimon games were so weird and esoteric that nobody seriously played them like they did with Pokemon. Pokemon was something that every kid understood and played together.

>>57895632
>Why are zoomers so hellbent on trying to rewrite the history of events they weren't alive to experience?
Sour grapes

>>57896815
There was still hype at the start of Johto. Yeah that died out in filler hell, but everyone was happy during GS. OPs premise is revisionism

>>57898304
>RSE sold 25% less than GSC
Floptastic

>>57898772
>but everyone was happy during GS
Everone that stayed with it. Plenty of people were playing PS1 or PS2 as people have said.

>>57898778
GSC looked so bad that 15 million people didn't want to buy it
GSC was so bad that 7 million people didn't want to give RSE a shot

it lost more sales than RSE "did"

>>57898785
My gen sold more than your favorite gen. Sinnoh gained sales over Hoenn. Hoenn is uniquely unappealing

>>57898789
rse restored good will and reestablished consumer confidence such that the trend of decline initiated by gsc was reversed for its own successor (only to be undone by the ill-advised BW/2)

>>57898794
Sold less than GSC

>>57898393
>How do you use numbers then?

You use numbers in their context faggot, you talk about Pokemon Crystal selling 6 million as a bad thing and a failure, yet, even though the game came out on a dying platform despite the GBA existing, AND despite Pokemon Crystal just being a revision of a game most people bought AND despite the fact Pokemania

Pokemon Crystal still outsold every single GB and GBC game ever released that wasn't called Tetris or Super Mario Land 1 and 2. Woah bro, that really killed the franchise eh? You won't say that though because it breaks your gay ass narrative.

>I'd bet money that more people like Mario 3 than Mario 2 (USA) and you know what, it outsold it pretty hard. This is a reflection of the word of mouth, accessibility and creativity and general fun factor of the games. This doesn't mean 2 sucks and is bad and a failure. 3 just clearly out did what 2 was doing. Gold and Silver were not Mario 3.

Pokemon Gold and Silver are the Mario 3 of Pokemon. Both the peak of their respective series, both well received, both generally well liked, so both would be prime targets for faggots who want attention.

Your entire post is literally just trying to divert from the main point by bringing up Mario and toy story, that you are objectively wrong and you are a mentally ill faggot.

>>57898399
You are such a mentally ill faggot you actually went to Gamefaq just to pretend you can prove a point by getting a bunch of posts made in the 2010s when in the end of the day, none of them say its a bad game. Nor are their critiques exclusive to GSC, if you criticize a game for not having good places to grind, you can apply that to alot of other Pokemon games. Its a good example of how most of this gen hatred is bad faith. Many of the criticism are just objectively, not that important in the grand scheme of things, nor are they intrinsic to Gold/Silver themselves. It is noteworthy how very few criticism actually attack G/S/C itself as a game, but the reason they don't do it, is that any valid critical criticism of G/S/C would also be a critique of the Pokemon formula itself.

You have to do that because you cannot debunk the notion that the games were well-received, because in the year 2000, the average fan and gaming press gave this games a good reception.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gbc/198308-pokemon-gold-version/reviews

>>57898785
>>57898794
Mentally ill retard, on par with funnyschizo from /a/.

Daily reminder that the worst performing Gen 2 game (Crystal) outsold almost every other GB and GBC game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Game_Boy_video_games

For the GBA, Pokemon emerald outsold every other GBA game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Game_Boy_Advance_video_games

I don't see any goodwill being gained or lost, looked like Pokemon remained consistent in sales.

>>57898876
>>57898888
>>57898893
GSC took a burgeoning global cultural phenomenon and reduced it to a successful media franchise

>>57898925
GSC outsold your favorites

>>57898925
No zoomer. What happened in the late 90s is a fluke and a fad and there was no way it was going to consistently hit such mania levels once its audience were hitting their teens and the cultural and technology landscape shifted. When Pokemania died, the fad had been going strong for almost 3 years.

Pokemon IS a global cultural phenomenon, its why, despite Pokemania ending over 20 years, it managed to maintain its high popularity and become the highest earning media franchise ever.

>>57898934
cope
15 millions sales, poof

>>57898928
gs flopped compared to swsh tho, an actual good game

>>57898925
No, it took a fad and turned it into a successful media franchise. You know how many fads wish they could have basically annual releases of whatever? I always go back to Transformers when I think of franchises that drop the ball when they hit a fad.
>First three years of Generation 1 were pretty popular
>But they spent the next 1.5 years floundering for a new gimmick and the 2.5 years after that just copying what was popular with no new TV show and the only major media being a comic book
>It got so bad they shelved the toyline for a year
>Then Generation 2 happened and failed to inspire anything given it was mostly repackaged Generation 1 toys for the first year or so and once again no new show but at least there was a comic again
>The toyline basically got sent to the Kenner gulag for rehabilitation and Beast Wars came out
>Beast Wars was a gigantic success and managed to eek out 4 good years
>Then Beast Machines happened and was comparatively a fucking disaster and didn't even last 2 years
>After scrambling to find filler while they develop a unified vision for the brand, the Unicron Trilogy happens and keeps the brand above water while they push for the movie
>The movie happens and they're actually able to use the momentum from that to stabilize the brand into one of like maybe three things keeping Hasbro afloat today
Pokemon had it comparatively easy all things considered, but some of that did come from Masuda taking the reigns late into Gen 2's development. The fact that Gen 3 is the best selling game on a handheld that sold poorly is a more important metric to me than anything else, and the consistent sales before the Switch Era (and consistent sales during it) tell me they converted just fine. If you consider it being the most sucessful media franchise of all time to be a failure, then sure whatever. I wish I got Satoshi Tajiri's Gen 2 instead, personally, but the Gen 2 we got is a lot better than most of the modern games so whatever.

>>57895139 (OP)
Sounds like he's protecting his current pessimism to his childhood.

Nah m8, kids played whatever, kids watched both Pokemon and digimon, kids mostly had Gameboys so they played Pokemon while the rich kids played Digimon and you had to be invited to play with them, when GS came out it was super cool how Pokemon can now hold items, had day and night cycles, and could connect with old games.The only disappointment at that time was Ash losing the league and the younger kids getting confused by Digimon's plot suddenly involving the devil and separating the gang, otherwise everyone carried along.

>>57898955
Ah yes, 15 million sales, which means Pokemon GSC outsold Super Smash Bros Melee, Sonic 2, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Zelda Ocarina of Time, GTA III, Final Fantasy 7, and Halo. What a failure.

>>57898991
>I wish I got Satoshi Tajiri's Gen 2 instead
it's called the beta
he named it after himself

>>57898304
People just looking at the raw numbers don't understand how bad this looks for Game Freak themselves. 23 million looks high, but it's coming off a 26% decline in sales. With how much hype Pokemania allegedly generated, that is a horrible performance. It tells me they had no idea what they were doing and thought they could shit out anything and ride the wave because kids are stupid and don't care about quality. Same goes for Crystal, what was the point of releasing a new game with minimal changes on an unpopular console? Was the Battle Tower really that important?

The lack of quality shows in the games too. Your beloved day/night cycle is padding for the little new content there is. Breeding was made tedious on purpose to artificially extend the play time. The desire to include Kanto undermined Johto's presence in its own game. Why is the first thing to comes to everyone's mind about GSC either going to Kanto or battling Red? Why can't Johto be a fun place too?

>>57895139 (OP)
No, it was actually RSE that almost killed all interest I had in the series because you couldn't transfer your pokemon, it was the first Dexit, and on top of that the back half of the game is a total slog. Gen 4 was phenomenal though, a return to form, and then gen 5 was a steep drop off a sharp cliff, and the series never recovered, just getting worse. I skipped the 3DS I hated BW/BW2 so much, and I say this as someone who played a fan translated BW2 rom of the japanese version. Those games just have no sauce and cut so many features from Platinum and HGSS.

>>57898304
emerald sold over 7m copies, it's not on crystal's level

>>57898876
>you talk about Pokemon Crystal selling 6 million as a bad thing and a failure,
literally no one has said this once in this topic you schizophrenic. Who said this? Who implied it?

>>57898934
>there was no way it was going to consistently hit such mania levels once its audience were hitting their teens and the cultural and technology landscape shifted
I disagree and do agree with OPs video that said pokemon like qwilfish and stantler didn't help. Those are lame pokemon. Straight up, they're duds. A blowfish and a deer. That's not cool. GSC diehards will tell you it didn't matter what nintendo did, nothing would have made it do better. Which is apologist bullshit. Having cool pokemon in the game in the first 6 hous would change things. I'll be in the camp that lame pokemon don't sell carts. Gen 3, 4, 5, plenty of interesting cool pokemon. Gen 2? Babies and rehashes. Makes sense the yugioh movie did better than pokemon 3. Blue eyes white dragon is fucking cooler than kingdra. To say anything different is to deny basic universal appeal. it's like saying apples are cooler than popcorn. It's pretty much explicitly why in gen 6 they did 2 mega forms for charizard, to appeal to people that are into that. A new evolution for slowpoke vs charizard X and Y? It's clear to me.... it should be to anyone.

>>57899055
>>57898304
You think the numbers being lower for GSC means that they were bad games that killed pokemania. This is to remind you that selling 6 million copies is a success, despite the fact that its a expansion game on a previous gen console. They were not flops.

>>57895139 (OP)
I still remember kids calling gen 3 mons Digimon when the designers went back to making cooler mons. I'll take actual Digimons and Yugioh dragons over fucking Lanturn, Blissey, babymon filler, and generic animals like Teddiursa

>>57899093
where did I say they're bad games? Quote me.

>>57899112
Digimon didn't fuck around with dragons and spooky shit. It went for it. Mean while GF is like, here's the alphabet.

>>57899066
>rehashes
Which ones?

>>57899112
>I still remember kids calling gen 3 mons Digimon
I have never experienced this IRL. It wasn't until /vp/ that I saw anyone claim newer pokémon look like digimon--and this never happened during the /tr/ days, when it was basically a red board.

>>57899066
Kid me hates hoothoot more. Stantler and Qwilfish were rarer because of swarms. You were actually excited to get them. I hate route fodder like snubull and Pidgey more. I was excited to get Togepi because of the anime because Togepi was an anime shillmon. Everyone was happy to get an Eevee even though it's cute because you could get a stone evo or Espeon and Umbreon. Getting the daycare egg was hype because you could get a Magmar or Electabuzz, which has some clout because of the anime

>>57899052
I thought it was so gay and oppressive that I couldn't get a lot of pokemon that I loved in g3

>>57899041
I don't understand why all of this is so difficult for johtoddlers to accept. Then they accuse others of lacking perspective.

>>57895139 (OP)
Hi, I was 9 years old when gold/silver launched. Everyone was still hype for the game, the first wave of pokemon hype didn't die out until gen 3. I very specifically remember gen 3 being when everyone started being "too cool" for pokemon, and I started down the dark path of still being a pokemon fan 25 years later.

>>57895139 (OP)
The corn syrup children who grew up with GS C loved them and eventually grew up to be obese failures who draw Lugia vore art. It's only intellectuals who go back and play the Johto games without nostalgia goggles who can see how objectively fucking shit they are.

>>57899265
Gardevoir and Lucario aren't from Johto. You're throwing stones in a glass house

>>57899265
sounds about right

>>57895139 (OP)
LA ABOMINACION

>>57898888
based quads of johto supremacy

>>57898888
How do you misconstrue what everyone's saying this fucking badly lmao

>you cannot debunk the notion that the games were well-received
I'll use the Johtofag argument against you. In my school, nobody cared about Pokemon anymore except little kids. Why were you such an autistic baby in 2000?

>>57895139 (OP)
i dunno I was literally 12

>>57900336
>In my school, nobody cared about Pokemon anymore except little kids.
This literally only happened during Gens 3 to 4, specially the former. During Gen4, the popularity of the DS coincided with the tryhard edgy children that shunned Pokémon during Gen3 maturing just enough to realize how stupid they were- so the first resurgence happened during this era, even if only among gamers. But during Gen3? There was both the belief that Pokémon was too kiddy compared to YuGiOh!- and other things that aimed at older children- and those that were alienated by not being to transfer from Gen2 (among other flaws of Ruby/Sapphire). THAT was the period of time when you could be forgiven for thinking that Pokémon as a whole was dying, as you would rarely even see children playing it at home- you'd see more people playing RSE later, during the DS era.

The numbers in >>57898304 reflect all of that, so you can't claim this was just how I saw things. The reactions to Gen3 are part of the reason people thought they were trying to end the series on a high note with Gen4... before Gen5 was announced.

>>57900648
>kids buy rby
>omg so cool
>same kids buy gs
>anime sucks, new pokemon suck
>kids move on, 30% drop in sales
>no one buys crystal
>gen 3 gets fucked
>"it's totally dexit guys"
moron

>>57900736
>moron
average johtod
I'd be shocked if a genuinely smart one existed

>>57900648
>>57900790
>>57900336
>mentally ill schizo

You know everyone can go on arch.b4k and see the same anon using the same insult for the past 3 years, what the fuck is wrong with this schizo?

Gotta love how insanely contradictory is the false narrative that Gen2 was so bad that it hurt Gen3's sales while it also created countless "johtoddlers" that loved it so much they still praise it to this day. Meawhile RSE not only had lower sales but since the start had complaints about the water, music and removed features- yet it was totally misjudged, despite newer generations of people still making same complaints.

>>57895632
>Why are zoomers so hellbent on trying to rewrite the history of events they weren't alive to experience?
Because influencers told them so

>>57900919
People are insecure about how much better Johto is than their favorite region

>>57900648
>THAT was the period of time when you could be forgiven for thinking that Pokémon as a whole was dying
You can see the drop off in ticket sales from movie 2, 3 and 4. The 4th and 5th did so poorly that the 6th was direct to video. Also, yu-gi-oh came out before RSE, it was competing against GSC for it's first couple years. You're way off on the stuff you're saying.

>>57900919
it's almost like johtofags were the most vocal pokeniggers on the internet for 15 years and samefagging every thread here

>>57900962
Almost like there were the most of them because HGSS is just objectively the best Pokémon game

>>57900962
Johtofags were easily the most autistic and stuck around online. Kanto/gen 1 fans were mostly normalfags coming back from Pokemon Go

>>57900976
this is why companies don't get opinions from terminally online losers, you are the minority

>>57900962
exactly that, an uncompromising vocal minority

>>57895139 (OP)
Why does he look like he's in an 80s emo band?

>>57900919

>>57901049
>Reddit love unpopular shit that flopped for a reason
typical

>>57901086
If gen 2 won in a Reddit poll, you'd just say everyone loved Johto.

>>57895139 (OP)
OP please explain why is the ex-kid from My Chemical Romance talking to me about the GSC games, just tangentially to remind me that my childhood was supposed to end at least 21 years ago?

>>57901123
Pokemon gets clicks from nostalgia-obsessed millennials

>>57898304
>there are still people around who keep saying completely non-ironicly that Gen2 failed because it didn't met the estimated sales number expectations, despite collectively selling over 30 million copies - which is a number that still wasn't topped by other subsequent gens yet.
The only thing that suprized me in this chart is that somehow ORAS sold marginally better than HGSS.

>>57901158
swsh and sv topped gs sales thougheverbeit

>>57901158
why do johtoddlers have the cognitive and reasoning skills of 11 year olds?
see >>57899041

>>57901130
I thought only zoomers watch YT video essays to completion.

>>57901158
>>57901281
And it's not like they performed well either for Switch games. Basically every Switch title of a major series like Mario Kart and Zelda have set sales records. GSC performed very poorly and set a downward trajectory for the next few gens.

>>57901310
>>57899041
>>57899226
Still the only game to give us 2 regions in 1 game to this very day.

>>57901317
>Jerto iz da bess games bcaz tey led u go bak to Kando
Yes we know well that's your favorite part of the West Kanto games: leaving West Kanto.

>>57901317
>the best part of johto is leaving it
we know

>>57901347
Meanwhile Hoenn doesn't even let you leave it. You're just stuck with the shitty water and trumpets until you trade it in for a copy of FireRed.

>>57901359
Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh etc. all stand on their own. Johto doesn't

>>57901367
inb4 it's a SEQUEL! it was meant to be SHORT and SHIT!

>>57901367
If Hoenn and Sinnoh stood on its own the sales figures would have reflected that and they never would had to make remakes of Kanto. Gen 5 sold the worst because it had no Kanto at all, gen 6 is when they realized they need Kanto to succeed. The point is, Kanto is the only region AT ALL that can stand on its own. Gen 1, Kanto, Pikachu, Charizard, that IS Pokemon and everything else feels like an imitation. They know this, and that's why Pokemon GO started out with just the original 151. That's why Journeys and Horizons are both primarily Kanto.

>>57901384
dangerous truthnuke
>>57901376
>short
johto's campaign is just as long as any other pokemon game though

>>57901359
I for one was disgusted by the fact the devs didn't let me leave the best region ever designed

why didn't they just take half of the content in hoenn and split it to another map like gsc did?

>>57901376
woah there pardner

>>57901396
hoenn has 2 regions, a land and water region
sinnoh has 2 regions divided by mt coronet
unova has 2 regions divided by campaign and postgame

>>57901367
>etc.
there is no et cetera, your list was complete

>>57901403
Yet all of these have more substance than GSC do.

>>57901403
unova has one circle for the maingame and another circle for the "postgame"

>>57901410
>circle
semicircle*

>>57901410
Johto is a literal circle for half the game and a straight line you go back and forth in for the rest.

I don't know who that is in your OP and I don't care either. Nobody of pokemon playing age at that time cared about grind or text speed or any of the other gay streamer shit people bitch about nowadays. We were excited there were new pokemon and a whole new area to explore and you could still go to Kanto. We were like eight years old and didn't live on the internet yet.

>>57901384
Nonsensical. You don't see Hoennfags or Sinnohfags talking about how the best part of their games is the Kantomons. Every other post about Johto will reference Red or going to Kanto.

>>57901443
it was more like
>where are the new pokemon
>why are the new pokemon so fat and look like real animals
>what the fuck is kanto

>>57901451
this
johto does not stand on its own
it's literally just west kanto no matter how you look at it

>>57901459
Only thing like that I remember is the starters being lame compared to the first game. I remember one girl crying when she got meganium and reset her whole save to get cyndaquil instead.

>>57901472
kek
i had a friend with a strategy guide and we flipped through the new pokemon. we were disappointed by the new evos like the gay frog and pink fat blob

>>57901404
Since you asked: Unova, Alola, and Paldea.

Not only did Hoenn have the first dexit, it had the first pay2win DLCslop that needed a shit peripheral

>>57901641
>hoenn dexited all the garbage johtoslop from my face
based

>>57901641
How did you get a legitimate Celebi in GSC?

>>57901770
How did you get a legitimate Mew without glitches?

>>57901770
Convince your parents to fly to Japan, totally not p2wslop

>>57901641
how were you completing the dex without a link cable? pokemon had pay2win DLCslop since gen 1

>>57900962
>>57900983
>>57901041
Imagine replying to yourself like this.

>>57901937
all three different individuals

>>57901937

>>57901459
You should make it less obvious that you aren't one schizo faggot.

You make the same complaints all the time. Gen 2 pokemon are animals.

GS were "flops" because sales declined form 31 million to 23 million....a ridiculous standard given that with this same logic, RS were even bigger flops because it declined form 31 million to 16 mil. But it gets even more ridiculous in context because none of these numbers are bad, these are amazing sales that basically beat out almost the entire competition on their respective platform. But you act like this was bad for Pokemon just because its not a hyperfad anymore.

>57901953
>everyone that hates Johto is one person
>>57899041

>>57899205
I do remember on forums in the mid 2000s where people would complain about how the new Pokemon looked like Digimon, I remember Blaziken and even Latios being the target for that.

In fact, thats another reason why the Gen 1 hate campaign began. During the mid 2000s, when you spoke to normalfags, or even went on gaming forums outside the Pokemon fandom, you often heard them complain about how the new Pokemon sucked and the old ones were better.

>>57901948
>>57901966
Yes, you are only one person schizo, take your meds.

>>57901970

>>57901975
Changing VPN or being part of your faggy discord group doesn't change what I said you schizo faggot.

The problem is you use the same talking points and writing styles.

Take your meds schizo.

>>57902000
>reddit spacing
go back

>>57901968
>the new [anything] sucked and the old ones were better
A tale as old as time. Problem is they want to look "sophisticated" but come off as contrarian faggots instead of having fun with everyone else

>>57901937
>>57901953
>>57901970
>>57902000
Samefag melty + wasted quads

>>57895139 (OP)
>give it up for digimon?

>>57901774
Toys"R"Us

>>57901953
>RS were even bigger flops because it declined form 31 million to 16 mil
sorry I didn't know rs was the sequel to rb, this is news to me

>>57902081
The classic Johtod move: changing the argument and pretending to be retarded

>>57902081
I can already see the opposing argument. GSC are a spiritual successor to RBY because it's Pokemon 2 but RSE are the true sequels as they moved on from Kanto.

>>57902095
unlike (You) who's not just pretending

>>57902309
>saging
what a baby lol

>>57895139 (OP)
I'm not watching your slop, especially if you look like a fucking faggot. Kill yourself, now.

>>57901115
And that is different from you saying "everyone loved gen3 (based on a reddit poll)" because...?

>>57902470
>everyone loved gen3 (based on a reddit poll)
It was not the implication, but it does not matter when gen 3 has infinite staying power from romhacks.

>>57902503
It's funny how gen 3 has a ton of interesting and creative romhacks while 95% of gen 2 hacks are boring enhancement QoL hacks

>>57897664
>Many youth back then were peer pressured into the unquestioning acceptance that they were the best games.
This 100% never happened. I'm surprised the thread didn't end right there. The absurdity of this should have been enough to out you as a shit-eating troll.

>>57902517
dont talk shit about crystal kaizo bitch

>>57902524
What actually happened is normies pretended they liked GS to your socially inept autistic face so they didn't trigger you

It finally showed what it really is.

Abandon thread, everyone.

>>57902503
>>57902517
True. Zoomers won. Pokemon Challenges won.

>>57902517
Kek. Sounds like you need to completely change the gen3 games to enjoy them while GSC just need some polish.

>>57902533
Did this >>57902528 hit too deep?

i dont care if it's a discord raid this is hilarious

>>57902543
Or the creative and talented fans opt for gen 3 because there's more they can do with the base rom. Meanwhile gen 2 faggots dream about their childhood every day instead of doing anything productive

>>57902544
Of course not. Why would normies try to please an autist? It makes absolutely no sense and you know it.

>>57902566
>normies try to please an autist
Once again, not what I said. Try again.

>>57902045
>>57902081
>>57902095
gschizo, if you want to argue that GSC is a flop that no one liked, you also have to explain how RSE are not a flop by your own very logic. You won't because you have a mental illness.

>>57902572
GSC damaged Pokemon's reputation and killed the Pokemania hype, no shit RS would flop

>>57902572
>gschizo
Love it. I'll share it with the other guards.

>>57902572
>kill Pokemania
>baby anime baby Pokemon for babies
>uhhh why RS flop???
>Emerald still outsells Crystal lol

>>57902572
>>57902587
least obvious samefag

>>57902572
>>57902587
Samefag

>>57902592
>>57902593
>t. gschizo

>>57902588
>baby Pokemon for babies
I guess babies were built different back then.

>>57902572
>gschizo
More cringe than sagefag

>>57902610
>fatmon
Not helping your case

>>57902614
hi sagie

>>57902620
Hi Yawnie

>>57895139 (OP)
I followed the crowd and forgot about Pokemon during this era. Only back for Switch 2 release and ZA

>>57902552
>there's more they can do with the base rom
So... you need to be more creative and talented to take the easier option? Okay.

>>57902658
what are you talking about

>>57902640
Why now? Following the crowd again?

>>57902662
>can't make sense of something so obvious
Oof. NGMI.

>>57902662
Everyone knows the best developers code their own engine with Assembly before making their game

>>57902669
ok...

>>57902672
lol

>>57902672
That is literally what Nintendo did until the Switch.

>>57902672
Wouldn't be surprised if /g/ believed this unironically.

>>57902685
yes because we all know infra and platform eng teams also do product and game dev work
sarcasm if u didn't know

>>57902583
Yea, this is some what valid. Franchises really do rely on the success of the predecessor to sell the next installment. It's not always about the product itself, but the reputation of the brand. Then again, maybe Red and Blue weren't that good of games to push gold and silver sales?

>>57902702
I was too young but if you watched OP's vid they claim the anime had the most influence on Pokemon's popularity at the time. I watched some Johto episodes myself and it was pretty different compared to Indigo Plateau, lot more meandering

>>57902702
>>57902719
yellow was based on the anime so im not surprised if its decline was somewhat responsible

>>57902719
I would agree to an extent. Pokemon isn't just a game, it's also a card game and toys and plushies. The anime does go too slow. The video says only 50 of the GSC pokemon show up in the first 80 or so episodes. I don't know if that's accurate, but it is pretty damning if it is. How you going to sell a Politoed toy if it's not on TV till 3 years after the game comes out?

>>57902753
I checked the anime debuts for gen 2 mons commonly believed to be from gen 3. Gold and Silver were released in Oct 2000
>Skarmory: EP152 (May 2001)
>Slugma: EP267 (Sept 2003)
>Magcargo: EP240 (Mar 2003)
>Chinchou: EP212 (Sept 2002)
>Lanturn: EP220 (Nov 2002)
>Politoed: EP247 (May 2003)
I cannot blame anyone for thinking Slugma is gen 3

>>57902791
Wow. I was just looking at this list. It's crazy to me Kecleon appeared before Espeon. Like, how do you fumble this so hard? You're previewing gen 3 pokemon but still haven't done espeon yet?

I think its interesting most people are talking about the game and sales and the video says there's just not enough new pokemon in the games or anime. Most people seem to agree Houdour, Slugma, Murkrow ect. all should have been in Johto. I wouldn't say putting them later killed Pokemania, but it is an interesting point to think about. Digimon gives you new monsters every episode. Monster Ranchers whole thing is just checking CDs for monsters. Pokemon GSC is about really hidden new pokemon that you won't find easily at all.

>>57904094
>bumping this genwar slop from page 10
kill yourself

>>57904098
u lost

>>57899112
Personally, I've always liked Gen 3's designs best. There was more variance then kaiju/dinosaurs and less prominence of Toriyama eyes than Gen 1, and more interesting ambiguous monsters or concepts than the cartoon animals of Gen 2.

>>57899205
I think Rayquaza's wiki page says critics were accusing it of looking too "digimon".

>>57904094
>I think its interesting most people are talking about the game and sales and the video says there's just not enough new pokemon in the games or anime.
because as a collective discourse we already had those points discussed extensively enough ~5 years ago and have moved past it

johtoddlers made memes like picrel in response to the point that players have limited access to desirable new Pokemon because the writers chose to convey the idea of discovery poorly, the designers produced a small dex, and the devs chose to intentionally limit players' selections. Everyone knows where everyone stands on this now and nobody's mind will be changed by further discussion, no matter who you think is more right or won.

>I wouldn't say putting them later killed Pokemania, but it is an interesting point to think about.
One of the most popular Johto Pokemon of all time as far as desired play goes is Houndoom. There is no doubt that its inaccessibility left a bad taste in the mouths of those who don't drink the west kanto koolaid.

>>57902572
>GSChizo
you do realize this makes more sense as a name for johto fanatics right

>>57895170
Based and true.

I'm 33 and lived through pokemania as a kid, it was aimed at. GSC was so fucking cool because it was drip fed to use, so secret rumors of pikablu, etc. were eventually true and real. The game was much better than RBY as a kid because of color, animations, etc. The fact that kanto was also in after the game blew my fucking mind.

>>57905443
Also one thing you newshits don't understand, was NOBODY thought "wow wtf not enough johto pokemon bro... so lazy," people thought "holy fuck there are new pokemon!" There was no standard of a new gen.

>>57905443
>33
You were too young for gen 1 Pokemania and lived through the downturn. The normalfags moved on to other cartoons and games. Sorry lil bro.

>>57905448
>wow wtf not enough johto pokemon bro... so lazy
Yes we did. Why only 100 mons? Why so many Kanto evos?

>>57901770
They forgot to release a Celebi event outside of Japan. Dumbest shit they ever done

>>57905456
Someone born in 1992 was the target demo for the anime. The anime was airing in the morning for kindergarteners. Someone born in 92 would be in the target range for the first 5 movies. Someone born in 92 would have seen all the advertising shit like Pokemon pop tarts, pokemon shirts, pokemon cereal, and pokemon toys and pokemon books

>>57905503
You were like 6-7 during the peak of the anime, not old enough to be the target demo.

>>57905515
>The franchise's primary target audience is children aged 5 to 12, but it is known to attract people of all ages.

>>57905530
Im sure 11-12 year olds want to associate themselves with 5-7 year old babies

>>57905533
The opinions of the people that run the company and sell products matter more than yours

>>57905530
what a recipe for disaster
>11 year old likes pokemon
>5 year old little bro likes pokemon
>eww i dont wanna be like my baby brother

>>57905540
>almost 30% decline in sales
>go back to gen 1 pokemon designs in gen 3
apparently not lol

>>57905542
You're backpedaling, wrongfaggot.
>Uh, 6 isn't the target demo!
>What, it is!
>Uh, that doesn't matter! Nyuhuhuh
Just take the L, fag
1998.
ポケモンの主要顧客層は 5~12 歳の少年少女である。石原はこの世代の子供たちのライ
フスタイルを次のように分析している。
「一日の活動がこま切れで、かつ移動距離が長い」。
>Pokemon's main customer base is boys and girls between the ages of 5 and 12. Ishihara analyzes the lifestyle of children of this generation as follows: "Their daily activities are fragmented and they travel long distances."

>>57905530
Interesting, this explains a lot. Kindergartners and middle schoolers are such different demographics, it's not easy to make designs appealing to everyone. Gen 1 is more balanced but gen 2 definitely skews towards the younger audience.

>>57905548
not getting past the lil bro allegations

>>57905556
Not getting past the discord raid allegations

>>57905550
they knew their real target demographic by making ash 10 years old. they shouldve kept with the coolmon designs not market to 6 year olds

>>57905556
I can't name one point a johtod has ever conceded
at this point the policy is obviously denial to the bitter end

>>57905579
because they never have

>>57905566
I don't understand why there wasn't a younger partner tagging along with Ash, like Max in gen 3. Instead it was two older teenagers.

>>57905591
because the anime didn't want original main characters, and there are no super young named early characters in rby to use

i just rememeber first time saw new pokemon from johto i thought they were fake i remember i saw sudowoodo and corsola and i thout they didnt fit, funny how every gen since gen 2 is the same cycle

>>57905640
johto designs are so distinctly round and infantile i have no idea how 13 year olds at the time were ok with it

>>57905649
They weren't

>>57895139 (OP)
No, I was just glad there was more Pokemon.

>>57895139 (OP)
johto flopped thats not new

pokemon stopped being a videogame in gen 2 they redesigned most johto pokemon designs for more merchandise slop, the best and leaks already shown it

>>57905456
>You were too young for gen 1 Pokemania

my brother are you retarded

>>57905685
>reddit spacing
go back

>>57905655
>>57905649
>feraligatr
>ariados
>crobat
>esp/umbreon
>murkrow
>gligar
>steelix
>S C I Z O R
>heracross
>sneasel
>ursaring
>macargo
>donphan
>hondour
>houndoom
>kingdra
>T Y R A N I T A R


??????????????

dumb ass

>>57905685
Yes it's too young lil bro.

>>57895139 (OP)
NOW SASQUATCH CAN PLAY HALO 3

>>57905690
mostly fat (shit)mons or literal animals lmao
trimming it down:
>espeon
>umbreon
>steelix
>scizor
>heracross
>houndoom
>tyranitar
4/7 kantomons and heracross and tyranitar are fatmons
only good mon is houndoom which is only available in kanto
0/100 wow

>>57905686
>discord raiding
Go back

>>57905690
Magcargo is gen 3 retard

>>57905709
this but unironically

>>57905709
(You)

>>57895139 (OP)
Everyone i knew loved Gold and Silver. I think Pokemania died down because nothing lasts forever. Pokemon is currently the highest earning media franchise in the world so Pokemania probably never died. The next thing just came so Pokemania was just kinda out on the back burner. People played the games but it wasn't like an all in one media experience like before. I actually remember playing Black and White in the 8th grade of the bus with everyone. X and Y was actually a huge thing when that dropped. I was in high school and people started buying 3DS' to play X and Y. I still think Pokémon saved the 3ds.

>>57905699
I really wonder what their logic for putting hourdour and slugma in kanto was. Every game shows you fire, water and grass to know the type advantage. And then loljk you can't find fire till later. Not that the jumpluff line actually learns any grass moves early on.

Johtoddlers in the 2010s:
>"Gen 3 killed Pokemania!!1"
Johtoddlers in the 2020s:
>"P-pokemania just died down naturally..."

>>57907227
jumpluff line exists so u can take 10 turns to kill a level 30 geodude
more turns = more gameplay

>>57907267
that's the funniest thing Ive read in a while.
I am all for outside the box, non-sweeper pokemon. But god damn, give them an attack just in case? Jumpluff to me is an example of them carrying too much about the "lore" and what moves a pokemon should have based on its biology. It's a floating seed. So it can't learn razor leaf or gust. Gen 3 did kind of come in with aerial ace and moves like that to shut down lorefags.

>>57895139 (OP)
I loved GS. RS is when I felt disappointed and dropped the series for abit

>>57896727
>Why are zoomers so weird? They weren't there but they make shit up entirely. It's fucking bizarre. Is it because they weren't there for the advent of major technological and sociological events because everything is slop now?
I think zoomers are really engaged with being active participants in media narratives. Social media at least lets you feel like you are one of the hands on the wheel steering to what is deemed true. Obviously pokemon historiography is pretty low hanging fruit but that just means you can make a bigger impact for the same effort.

>>57907360
tl;dr I HATE POKETUBERS REEEEEEEEE

>>57907548
honestly I don't care about this one I am just interested in the zoomerology of it

>>57907611
Most of the were playing the new games not caring about Youtubers

Terminally online autistic zoomers you seethe about were listening to the terminally online autistic millennials on forums and message boards screaming about gen 2 in the late 2000s and early 2010s

>>57907611
>>57907652
the main reason is youtubers made zoomers care about battling more
old yt pokemon content was fucking braindead trash

>>57895139 (OP)
*points at the sign*

>this entire thread

>>57907854
>millennitrannies don't play the games
We know

>>57907831
Wasn't Stadium 2 supposed to cater to compfags? When I see old discussion about it it's only about minigames.

>>57907905
johtrannies like to pretend no one cared about battling when nintendo cup 1997 and 2000 happened and 2 games specifically for battling were released

>>57907905
They were too shit at the game to bother with anything past Bugsy in GLC R1 without using their own overpowered Pokemon. Don't you remember all the seethe from using rentals only when they were announced on NSO?

This was where you would use the strategies campaignshitters would talk about. Selfdestruct, Destiny Bond, Pain Split. Maybe look at the NFEs that don't shine anywhere else. But no, all of it was overlooked for years because no one cared.

>>57907937
werster was doing stadium 2 100% speedruns for years before and they were still like "nooooo literally impossible!!!"
dude u can copy his teams if ur stuck. so fucking stupid

>>57895139 (OP)
My whole school (my 2 low functioning autist friends) loved gold and silver

>>57907854
>GS is bad
>defends it with SS of crystal
This tracks.

>>57907831
The video doesn't really shit on GSC. It talks way more about the landscape around 2000 and how competitive it was media wise. It harps on the anime for lacking johto pokemon more than the games and frames the anime against other animes. Essentially pokemon got cluttered by other media and ones that constantly showed off new monsters. I don't know why it took him 30 minutes to say what I typed out though.

>>57908114
It just seems kinda silly to even try to fit an explanation on it, social phenomenon tier popularity around a silly 8-bit children's game doesn't go on forever because how could anyone expect it would

I remember before the games were announced in America, I saw a binder of the Johto starter promos in the mall.

They were so cool, I showed them to my friends and they thought they were fake.

A few months later I met a teenager who had imported a copy and got to play some and was so hyped for it.

Was it less hyped than the start of Pokemania? Ofcourse, but it was still the 2nd most hyped Pokemon ever was.

>>57908205
Pokemon was first and foremost an anime. It always had the most attention even during gen 1

>>57907831
truthnuke

>>57907831
5 years

>>57907831
I remember that thread. Some Johto fan was doing a Poopy Joe on that post.

>>57908305
>check archive
>ip counter barely goes up the whole time
>poopy joe gets banned
lol

>>57908105
Crystal is Gen 2, genius.

>>57905389
>johtoddlers made memes like picrel
Why do I need to be a johtoddler to point out that you're being stupid?

>>57908448
>Gen 2 is good when you include crystal
Who is the one struggling to get something here?

>>57908205
I think this topic shows why people are compellted to talk about. So many people didn't bother to watch the video, it almost feels like bait to even post. When people argue about gen 2 and why it was good, bad, whatever, they talk about sales and they talk about things in the pokemon franchise. The thing about the video I do like is going over how pokemon didn't exist in a vacuum. Would gold and silver have sold 10m more copies if digimon wasn't a thing? Maybe 5m more? Who knows. Understanding why something succeeds or fails is the crux of being a creator. As an artist, writer, game designer, you do want to make things people like.
>>57908268
Yea, TV shows and media can be toy/product commercials. I remember the creators of Beast Wars essentially said, if we make a good show, it will sell toys. And they set out to create something there were proud of and now be like the previous cartoon that was a soulless string of character introductions to sell toys.

>>57907345
I liked the games but I mostly disliked the new designs. I still find it hard to believe people think Kyogre and Groudon look awesome, to me they are just derpy fucks.

>>57908224
>but it was still the 2nd most hyped Pokemon ever was.
Was.
Now it's third, maybe even fourth or fifth.
GO took second place in an instant, and after it came the Switch era of games.

>>57908474
Crystal is Johto, Johto is Gen 2. Crystal is literally just a very slightly improved GS (which were already good).
Sounds like you're the one struggling here.

>>57908541
>(which were already good).
The image posted didn't use a gold and silver tho, if they were good, use them in the example, not crystal.

>>57907265
Masuda himself outright says Pokemania ended before Gen 3 even came out.
He felt pressured to make RS as good as it could be to prove "Pokemon didn't die with Pokemania, guys!" to the world.
Truth is, Pokemania was ALWAYS going to collapse due to the rising tensions of the already-present consolewars between Nintendo and Sony, the latter of which was already creating a divide of "gay baby games" and "cool games" that the teens the kids looked up to were playing.
Pokemon didn't stand a fucking chance when the PS2 dropped, simple as.

>>57908555
A "Pokemon 2" could've taken many directions to set itself apart from other Nintendo gay baby games. Pokespe showed they weren't afraid of telling a darker story. But they copied the same formula from gen 1 with choosing from 3 starters and getting 8 gym badges, but made the Pokemon designs overall more lackluster and the story an afterthought. Kids aren't stupid, they notice these things.

>>57908622
>Kids aren't stupid, they notice these things.
Hey speak for yourself!

>least obvious samefag

>johtofag is mad
>no argument left
>bitchposts

>>57908457

>>57908688
>gschizos have to rely on twittoids now
lol

>>57908465
because nobody but johtoddlers agree with johtoddler talking points

>>57908555
>Pokemon didn't stand a fucking chance when the PS2 dropped, simple as.
this is a johtoddler cope to cover up the fact that FiGSCher PriGSCe was uniquely gay baby shit

>>57908661
>left
redact

>>57905398
Not everyone who loves GSC is a schizo.
Not everyone who hates GSC is a schizo.

But everyone can tell that every other post ITT was made by a schizo that hates GSC. You can only "pretend to be retarded" for so long before it becomes who you really are.

>>57895139 (OP)
I remember gold and silver coming out. Everyone was having a good time with it. We were all kids who were blissfully unaware that so much further down the line, we'd be missing what we had at the time.
>Black lipstick
Not a double faggot, not even a triple faggot. This guy is a quadruple faggot.

>>57908853
There's only so many times you can post "every single person in my school loved gen 2" before someone calls you out on samefagging

>>57907265
>Johtoddlers in the 2010s:
>>"Gen 3 killed Pokemania!!1"

>>57908862
>>57908865
kek

>>57908871
>can't argue about sales anymore
>backtracking this fucking hard
nigger

You are not even trying to make any amount of sense now. Getting real desperate for those (You)s, I suppose.

>>57908908
>no argument again
>bitchposting again

There is nothing to argue about. You are no better than a rabid dog. A wretched creature consumed by an illness that makes it attack others for no reason.

>>57908871
>everyone at my school loved Gold and Silver
>everyone stuck around all of gen 2 and nobody dropped off, trust me bro
>everyone dropped off at Ruby and Sapphire when the new Pokemon looked like Digimon

>>57908931
>name calling and spewing insults cuz u have no argument
keep bitchposting gschizo

I think it broke. The schizo thing must have really hit home.

Another fantastic thread

>>57908937
>looked like Digimon
more like returned to form from gen 1

>>57908949
You just admitted to samefagging half the thread, good job.

>>57908949
keep spamming until bump limit was ur strat, huh?

>>57908956
everybody knew they were samefagging already

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What a pitiful existence, this schizo.

>>57908963
The times don't even match up, nigger. Kill yourself.

>>57908937
The new pokemon looked like bright oversaturated toys made of plastic. Even a design from Digimon's worst season looks cooler than any gen 3 mon - it's contemporary. Way better than the chicken fursuiter

>>57908963
never growing up after 25 years is very depressing indeed

>>57908971
>bright oversaturated toys made of plastic
None of the babies look like fat blobs? Fully evolved mons like Lanturn didn't look like plush toys?
What nonsense.

>>57908971
what really happened is u were 8 years old in 2003 and ur favorite terminally online forum poster said old good new bad about gen 3 and u listened

>>57908980
Old forum posters with like 20k+ posts were the influencers of 2005

>>57908977
I'm talking about the Gen where every Pokemon looks like a colorful plastic toy

>>57908985
So you were mad about no watercolor art for the mons, not the designs. There's a high chance there were real plastic toys of gen 2 mons.

>>57908994
fatty

>>57908977
>None of the babies look like fat blobs? Fully evolved mons like Lanturn didn't look like plush toys?
Nothing in the post implied that. And those things being true doesn't mean it's okay for gen3 to look unnatural and plastic. It's appalling that Psyduck, who are supposed to look like rubber ducks, look more organic than Ludicolo.

>>57909003
explain how gen 3 looks "plastic" when gen 2 was the merch gen
>just look at it bro
not an argument

>>57909003
>Psyduck looks more organic because I said so
Okay. Ludicolo doesn't look like plastic because I said so.

>still going
based

Making reality itself your enemy is exactly why you deserve to be called a schizo.

>>57909026
Backed down early this time.

>>57909026
well that was short lived :(

>>57908994
I have this little guy on my desk lol. Dont care if he's a plastic mon

>>57909035
cute :)

>>57908114
>>57908493
Ah, thanks for that.. I didn't watch it either! With your having said that I just might now. Hypotheticals are fun.

This question does end up being self-selecting in exactly the way it has played out here: the Johto advocates' opinions mean very little because the question is trying to figure out why people LEFT. There is an entirely different trajectory this franchise could have taken if Nintendo further strong-armed or outright absorbed Game Freak and got out that sequel game out in 1998 as planned. The anime and other franchise elements would never have stalled out, the fire would be rekindled while it was still hot. And even if we presume that this would only delay a significant drop off to Gen 3 instead, that decline would have occurred from a stronger position. (Well, EVEN stronger position).

I like Gold and Silver as we got them quite a bit; their supplementary nature is disappointing in some ways, charming in others. I do wish they got to be more than they were.

>>57909091
>the Johto advocates' opinions mean very little because the question is trying to figure out why people LEFT
There are so many posts ITT about how everyone in their school loved Gold and Silver upon release and Pokemania was going strong. The video is a direct contradiction of that but I think they were expecting something like that Pokemon Challenges video.

My theory is the anime was intentionally stalling due to complications with GS's development and avoiding too many spoilers, which would have been a stupid move considering the anime was the major source of the hype. No one I knew was pissed from discovering Pokemon from the anime. If they didn't slow the pace down the decline wouldn't have been as bad.

>>57909129
theres a good possibility those posts were by the same person, just saying

Insisting on it won't make it true, gschizo.

>>57909216
Hi gschizo, we reached bump limit already. Not gonna post about your school of your one autistic friend again?

>>57908865
>>57908873
damn I don't normally buy into samefagging accusations but it is suspicious now that it's mentioned ngl

>>57909216
dude is so fucking desperate lol

>>57909129
I agree, a trickle of newcomers would have been something. But I wonder how many finalized new Pokemon they even had. I feel like they would have done that if they could. Likewise I wonder if they were in a better position in development when they teased new Pokemon subsequent generations, or if whatever makes it past the post first gets the cameos. Keckleon showed up in the anime a year and half before Ruby and Sapphire released.

>>57909325
>Likewise I wonder if they were in a better position in development when they teased new Pokemon subsequent generations
Masuda had to take over Gen II's development because Tajiri had a breakdown, and they ended up scrapping a lot of beta shit and virtually starting over. They were basically just in survival mode trying to cobble something together to ship. Then the very next gen they make what is now considered the best gen of all time.