Do you agree with the current public opinion that Johto is the worst of the 4 classic gens?

no

>>57897178 (OP)
It's the worst of the 5 classic gens.

>>57897178 (OP)
cant be worse than kanto

your average retarded pokemon fan kind of just repeats whatever they're told to think. your above average retarded pokemon fan, meanwhile, just makes shit up to complain about.

both of these hypothetical people think pokemon generation 2 is bad but would struggle to give you actual reasons why.

>>57897178 (OP)
Gen 2 pokemon are pretty bad overall and with terrible movesets but the games are great.
>muh Whitney's miltank
>muh grinding
Get good at the game, you shits. The only letdown was that the Kanto gyms should have been much higher level.

pChal was a mistake

>>57897192
Kanto has a coherent and complete regional design, a sensible and compelling story, a well-rounded and artistically superior dex, a well-paced gameplay loop, and superior balance among other things.

>>57897202
kek

>>57897178 (OP)
>>57897186
Spbp
It's worse than BW/2 even with the remakes.
Still better than 3Dshit tho

>>57897178 (OP)
>Kanto kickstarted the series with Pokemania but Johto killed its momentum
>Hoenn tried to make Pokemon cool again because Johtomons were too babyish
>Sinnoh had to give a ton of Johtomons evos or they'd be trash otherwise

>>57897207
all true

>>57897202
>, a sensible and compelling story
Johto story is unironically better because Silver is a better character than Blue

Johto humiliation ritual is real.

>>57897213
silver is a faggot BITCH

>>57897213
Silver is a subplot in Johto's story compared to Blue's role in Kanto's story. And the depth he does have was introduced in HGSS.

>>57897221
no, not really. silver being giovanni's son adds nothing and if anything, detracts from the character within the original text. there's essentially nothing good added to any part of generation 2 by its remakes or crystal.

>>57897217
One would think Johto was made bad on purpose, but in reality Satoshi just completely lost his mind during its development and so Junichi had to step in as ward to salvage the mess like he was Itsuno stepping into DMC2.

>>57897227
It explains why he's a troubled kid who also has a grudge against Team Rocket while the other troubled kids would be more likely to join the evil team. He's random and motiveless without the "retcon" of being Giovanni's son.

>>57897217
wtf is this schizophrenic delusional shit?

>>57897178 (OP)
What's worse is that the region feels like nothing more than an add-on, a proto-DLC.

Even its leaders prefer to use Kanto Pokémon, and worse yet, many of "its" new Pokémon only appear in Kanto. Even though Kitakami is small, it has more rural Japanese charm than all of Johto.

>>57897235
Anon breaking down over pedo typhlosion memes.

>>57897236
The original lore of gen 2 was that the new pokemon were recently discovered in the past 3 years. This got changed in gen 3 but they refused to change the teams that enemy trainers use

god this fanbase is fucking autistic

>>57897246
what? no way

>>57897217
I hate Johturds so much it's unreal

>>57897186
>>57897206

>>57897268
unova's on the team kalostranny

>>57897268
this

>>57897268
>>57897292

>>57897292
>plass
kek fucking delusional, bw2 mogs that dogshit tech demo all day

>>57897295
>Defeat Ghetsis and Team Plasma
yup, Unova the only one with an odd man out "achievement"

>>57897244
>gen 2 kiddies paid for a full game and got DLC
kekaroo

>>57897178 (OP)
>4 classic gens
Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Kalos, the "return to form" generation? Because Shillnoh was slop and the end of an era no matter how you look at it. It remains the worst generation.

>>57897322
Platinum - HGSS - BW - BW2 mog everything else.

>>57897322
you don't say

>>57897324
ahh, the quintessential early zoomer childhood run

>>57897234
kids can't just go and join team rocket, that isn't how organized crime works

>>57897308
do you not understand what a "sequel" is?

>>57897292
I remember this meme.

>>57897336
i'm sorry game freak swindled you in 1999

>>57897343
googled the release date award hint there's a reason why they called it "pokemon the movie 2000" in america

>>57897350
>dodges the point
Sorry you lost $30 champ

>>57897350
i'm sorry game freak swindled you in 2000

>>57897365
why be sorry? i got to experience the best generation of pokemon before retarded people online invented imaginary reasons why it's bad.

>>57897342
nobody on the left thinks that except fellow victim complex sufferers 'tods

>>57897369
i can smell the cope

>>57897186
fpbp
>make a new type
>let you catch ONE dark mon before Kanto

>>57897374
and unsurprisingly i do not smell any arguments

>>57897375
Meanwhile Hoenn gave you Poochyena at the beginning to say "sorry we fucked up gen 2"

>>57897380
the only argument presented was "it's supposed to be a short, lazy and shitty game" like every johtofag argument

>>57897390
>short
it's longer than generation 1
>lazy
haven't really demonstrated anything lazy about it
>shitty
haven't really demonstrated anything shitty about it

0-3 so far, champ in the making

>>57897186
spbp even if i think hoenn is worse

>>57897178 (OP)
Yes, it clearly is.

>>57897393
>short
There's a reason why Johto relies on Kanto in all of its iterations. Johto itself is not substantial enough for a full game.

>lazy
The Johtomon designs were purposefully made less detailed and babyish for the merchandise and the anime. Why were half of the dungeons, including Victory Road, completely empty?

>shitty
Open your eyes. It's not anyone else's problem if you can't see why.

>>57897404
don't reply to him, johtoids are beyond saving

>>57897404
hold on, you're telling me a sequel built upon and expanded its existing setting and lore? and that retarded children have convinced themselves this is a point against that sequel because it's not following a bland formula that did not yet exist?

>The Johtomon designs were purposefully made less detailed and babyish for the merchandise and the anime.
essentially meaningless given the decline you are describing is present or overtly worse in generations following 2
>Why were half of the dungeons, including Victory Road, completely empty?
if i am to entertain the stupid notion that what stands between a dungeon being lazy and not lazy is the presence of around ten to fifteen trainers in it, the victory road trainers you are looking for were moved outside.

>>57897411
change your fucking filenames yawnie

>>57897414
>s-sequel
Meant to be shit. Got it.

>essentially meaningless given the decline you are describing is present or overtly worse in generations following 2
Wrong. Sugimori explicitly said he wanted to make cooler Pokemon designs.

>the victory road trainers you are looking for were moved outside
That's not Victory Road, retard. Apparently those trainers couldn't even make it past the badge check gate.

>>57897414
>Johturd trainers can't even get 8 badges
Grim

>>57897178 (OP)
>>classic 4 gens
>talks about 'worst region'
wat
>Johto on its own, without "new Kanto"
In that case yes, just Johto on its own is too short.
>Johto plus new Kanto
I would say that gen 4 'Johto + new Kanto' > Sinnoh > gen 2 'Johto + new Kanto'

So depending on the generation, Sinnoh can be worse.
That aside, gen 1 Kanto flat out loses, as it is strictly worse than anything other than MAYBE gen 2 'Johto + new Kanto'.

Hoenn > gen 4 Johto + new Kanto > Sinnoh > gen 2 Johto + new Kanto > gen 3 Kanto > gen 1 Kanto

>>57897423
>>57897429
apparently all of that autism didn't help you read the dialogue in the game itself.

>>57897431
Concession has been accepted.

>>57897178 (OP)
Johtofags love to peddle going to Kanto as the hallmark of gen 2. It implies leaving the home region is the most exciting part of the game, as if Johto was boring and uneventful.

>>57897178 (OP)
>>57897217
The level curve makes it unplayable as well as the fact that all of the good mons are exclusive to the postgame. Also it gave us Diddyphlosion which I can now say confidently is the worst starter ever made.

>>57897404
not a single lie detected

>>57897213
>heh im better than u even though i lost
>heh im better than u even though i lost
>heh im better than u even though i lost
>heh im better than u even though i lost
silver fucking sucks, fanfic games have better writing than johto

>>57897462
>The level curve makes it unplayable
I wouldn't call it totally unplayable, the game up to Morty is fine. But after it's either too easy if you use 1-2 mons or an unfun grind with a full team
>Diddyphlosion
Always a forgettable shitmon

>>57897423
>Sugimori explicitly said he wanted to make cooler Pokemon designs.
So why did they hire James Turner to make infantile crap like Vanilluxe, Polteageist and Blipbug?

>>57897474
there is no grinding needed with a full team of six in gen 2. you will always end up with a team that is at exactly the level you need to be for the fight in front of you.

>>57897439
johtoddlers will never live down the fact that they spent decades proselytizing gen 2 on the basis that you get to play with kanto mons, fight the kanto villains, go back to kanto, and battle the kanto champions

>>57897476
>James Turner
inb4 she posts the yawnfag infographic

>>57897477
I prefer not spamming potions and X items

>>57897473
and like I said it wasn't until HGSS that Silver was made an actual character with some depth, even though that requires reading between the lines

>>57897476
I guess they loved the Lugia recolor that much
fitting that he got his career off a johtomon, isn't it

>>57897492
you don't need X items or to spam potions

>>57897178 (OP)
It's the "worst", just for streaming because Johto plays like a simulation game kinda like animal crossing.

>>57897499
This doesn't prove anything retard

I love having been born just in time to enjoy the peak of pokemania and the hype during the Gen 2 days. DS zoomies will never ever know what that was like, they can cope all they want with their youtube essays, polls and eceleb shit lol

>>57897507
i would still encourage you to try it yourself if you don't believe it

>>57897499
>>57897518
let me guess
>shift mode
>at least 10 resets
>lying about using items
i'll just use my level 60 feraligatr thanks

>>57897499
>>57897518
Nice "Johtomon" team lmao

>>57897518
>when there's so few options you use 2 Raticates
Incredible.

>>57897525
shift mode, <5 resets and only resetting at all to avoid unnecessary level ups, not lying about not using X items

>>57897526
if a pokemon is in the johto region it is a "johtomon"

>>57897529
really wasn't about a lack of options, just did it for fun.

>>57897541
>shift mo-
ignored

>>57897186
>>57897178 (OP)
Zoomers and e-celeb worshippers aren't human.

>>57897547
yeah i play the game on the default difficulty instead of one that demands grinding so i can whine about having to grind.

>>57897548
okay but that's not what this thread is about

>>57897342
Based true pic.

>>57897553
Nobody will take you seriously.

>>57897557
sir this is /vp/ nothing about this needs to be taken seriously

>>57897563
Back to Facebook with you.

>>57897565
/vp/ truly is an endless summer

>>57897574
go back

>all this Johturd cope
Get over it. Your expansion pack was made to flop. Game Freak didn’t want to shit out Pokémon anymore so they made GoySlopCrap an unplayable boring grindfest with a broken level curve so that the games would flop and that Nintendo would let them end their contract and they'd be allowed to make real art. They bloated the game with bland babyish shitmons that even the NPC's don't use, made the fire starer a pedophile, and created Johto to be a hick shithole with no culture outside of leeching off Kanto, but you were so dumb you didn't realize you were being insulted.

>>57897178 (OP)
I have no idea how the worst isn't considered to be DPP. Platinum is more tolerable but it still has loads of the problems Diamond and Pearl have.
GSC had the excuse of being GameBoy RPGs and that a lot of series' standards were not set back then (in fact, it probably set some of these standards because RBY was an even more archaic GB game full of terrible decisions like a shitty inventory and TMs you can't read the name of; it still was better designed but far more wonky to play). DPP on the other hand felt like massive steps back compared to the improvements brought by Hoenn. In fact, it has the shitty steep level curve of Johto without the freedom to do certain gyms in certain orders, it has the shitty HM bloat of Hoenn with a terrible region design with excessive backtracking that forces you to stack up on repels due to how much of it revolves around a series of caves, it has some of the most obtuse and stupid encounter methods and rates in the series, it has terrible bag UI that improves virtually nothing from what RSE improved from GSC, the graphics weren't as impressive as jumping from Gen 2 to 3, it barely brings anything new to the table aside from balancing through phys/spec split, the story is badly told and the game speed is abysmal even without animations on. It basically amps up a lot of flaws from its predecessors and yet it's loved by everyone.
I'd rather play the boring as shit, poorly made Sword & Shield than go through Diamond & Pearl again. Fuck those games. Glad I never paid for them. Only games I hate more in the series is ORAS and even then it's still less of a frustrating, abysmal chore to play.

>>57897581
Having a smaller inventory you have to actually think about and plan around is always going to be better than having so much space so as to be a non-issue. The TM and Berry pockets especially were mistakes that ultimately led to the bottomless, brainless inventory in games following their introduction.

>>57897581
OP is talking about gens, not games. Gen 4 is saved from Platinum existing. Meanwhile Crystal did fucking shit to improve GS, removing Mareep made it worse for people

>>57897178 (OP)
Nope. Second half of the Hoenn campaign is the most miserable pokemon experience I've had the displeasure of playing. First half is pretty good, but once you cross Route 118 it all goes to shit. Yes even the bit before the sea. Slog everytime. Johto can be a little annoying after rocket to elite 4, but the rest of the game is pretty good.

>>57897541
What did you run on your Ledian? Based poster btw

>>57897557
>>57897565
these

>>57897578
it is a little more than suspicious how they then proceeded to make the best games in the series directly afterward

>>57897581
>excuse
we don't do that here

>>57897578
at least some of the babyshitters are cute. except igglynigger. what an ugly and pointless pokemon

>>57897581
>it has terrible bag UI
compared to what
because the scroll wheel, sorting function, and filters suggest otherwise

>>57897601
reflect, light screen, ice punch, flash. if you have a female one, attract is better than flash here, and you may want to consider dropping reflect for thunderpunch. anything that gets light screen is automatically good simply for having it at all (electrode, ampharos can have it in time for the elite four if you hold off evolution a bit, meganium will have it in time for the red fight). however, i think ledyba should get the screens sooner than it does, as i do understand to an extent why people write it off since there's a lengthy investment before it starts standing out.

>>57897625
>flash
>attract
Lmao, so your strategy is hax

>>57897581
because Johto is the scapegoat of the franchise not Sinnoh. Johto is the oldest non-Kanto region and has gone the longest without a remake (15 years and counting), so shills for new games can throw it under the bus the blame of for all the franchise’s problems and ignorant casuals and Gen alpha swallow their lies. Also Sinnoh is protected to due to its shillmons,
Also Sinnoh is protected by shillmons like Lucario and Garchomp, Poketubers are reluctant to shit on Sinnoh since it would be indirectly shitting in those. Meanwhile Johto has no shilled Pokémon and if anything is the only dex to have any pokemon with negative marketing

>>57897625
>flash
>attract
>shift mode
>resetting

>>57897581
Sinnoh has more interesting lore and pokemon.

>>57897581
>needing repels for sinnoh caves bad
>needing repels for hoenn ocean good
>implying the phys/spec split wasn't a massive change
>insinuating RSE's bag UI is a significant improvement over GSC's
>implicationizing gen 3 isn't the worst the series has ever looked
all around dogshit post

5 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 1 > 9 > 8

>>57897649
Gen 2 making everything brown looks the worst. You even see it in the fanart

>>57897649
>>implying the phys/spec split wasn't a massive change
it was a massive bad change

>>implicationizing gen 3 isn't the worst the series has ever looked
that's gen 5 or gen 9

>>57897631
>>57897644
moves that debuff the enemy or inflict status effects are put into the game to be used, hope this helps for all the retards out there who have never played a real rpg before

>>57897660
Strategies that rely on RNG are trash and waste your time, hope it helps retards like you in the future

are the people who screech about the level curve the same retards who think SV needs level scaling?

>>57897666
everything that isn't a 100 accuracy move relies on rng

>>57897658
>that's gen 5 or gen 9
cope.

>>57897672
>proceeds to prove his point

>>57897671
You know there's a difference between using Fire Blast and spamming Flash. Why are you pretending to be retarded?

>>57897640
johtomons were made to be marketable but it turns out their designs were too poor for that

>>57897660
>>57897671
holy shit dude
johtofags are on another level of stupid

>>57897680
>>57897687
get back to me once you have some real rpgs under your belt. then again, maybe your brain stems are too rotted out and you'll just grind as a first resort in those too.

>>57897649
>>implicationizing gen 3 isn't the worst the series has ever looked
it's not

Johto > Sinnoh > Hoenn > Kanto

>>57897693
I guess going to Kanto was the worst part of GSC after all.

>>57897655
yeah

>>57897691
>all those repeated textures
it is.

>>57897690
>using bad strategies suddenly turns to "go play a real rpg"
lol

>>57897696
blissey sucks so fucking hard man

>>57897695
said every johtoddler praising their games these past 25 years in bizarro world

>>57897701
if it's such a bad strategy why am i beating the game without grinding and faster than you? moreover, you do realize that with the trickle down wannabe compfag moralizing aside, accuracy reduction is not actually just an instant win button, especially when significantly below the level of your opponents, right? your entire perception of game mechanics is warped by its presence in competitive battling because you quite simply do not play the games, despite being borderline obsessed with them. you just echo what you read online to appear smarter.

>>57897705
little kids in 2000 can understand inconsistent strategies are shit. little kids in 2000 know to use type matchups even at mid-30s. little kids in 2000 can win using one or two mons with no grinding and no trouble whatsoever.

>>57897714
little kids in 1999 were running a charizard with ember, flamethrower, fire spin, and fire blast

>>57897714
A few days ago there was a classic gen thread some anon made on /vp/, then remade in /vr/. On /vr/ I saw some guy going hard about Azumarill and Rollout, then posted a hall of fame screenshot where he froze the lead for Karen and Lance and set up, then pretended Rollout did all the work. I think this is the same autist.

>>57897720
>all little kids were retarded like me
ok

>>57897722
>he froze the lead for Karen and Lance and set up, then pretended Rollout did all the work
hahaha holy shit

>>57897722
it is not, my azumarill run is years old and i don't like rollout on azumarill. another good way to know if it's me or not is to check if it's crystal being played. i don't play crystal.

ITT:pre 3D gen fans (plus 4 and 5) playing oppression olympics even though no 2D/2.5D gen will ever be as disliked as the 3D gens

>>57897745
XY is more liked than both of those

>>57897748
lienuke
t. orasperm

>>57897753
lienuke
t. unovachad

>>57897745
gen 6 being more liked than gen 5 is why unova fans act like victims in the first place

>>57897178 (OP)
No, because it's all bullshit that was caused by Pokemon Mentally Challenged.

>>57897761

>>57897769
munnakick.webm

>>57897765
the 4 heavenly kings of pokemon

>>57897404
>lazy
why did the typedo line copy the charizard line's homework?

>>57897761
this so much
deep down most of them know that but just pretend they don't for the sake of their narrative

>>57897769
literal cartoon villain for five year olds

Now, we got actual XYfags chiming in. This thread is a shitshow.

>>57897812

>>57897819

>>57897825

>>57897832
this is the type of pseudointellectual nonsense borts think is deep

>>57897832

Why is the Kalosfag crashing out in a thread about Johto? Such fucking attentionwhores.

>>57897832
>

>>57897658
you are wrong

>>57897832
>>57897849
SOUL vs SOUL
Bless Masuda.

>>57897804
Typedo is the wacky deli starter. Game Freak was attempting the Ralph Bighead Gambit by creating something so bland, hateable, and unmarketable that Pokemon as a whole would die. Ans one way of doing that was making it an inferior version of the most iconic Pokemonever created. It was explicitly designed to be as hated and unmarketable as possible, But Johtimmies were so stupid and lacking taste they flocked to the eclair rapist.

>>57897888
Phoneitinto has numerous examples of this pervasive lack of effort across the board.

>>57897891

>>57897911
you are blind

>>57897581
Sinnoh also has the worst regional dex in the entire series

>>57897911

>>57897941
Yes, and?

>>57897581
Well that's like your opinion man. Personally I dislike RSE and would never play it if it wasn't for the Frontier. I don't mind that DP lacks in variety because its pokemon are actually fun to use unlike most of the Hoenn dex.

>>57897956
>Personally I dislike RSE
Me too. It helped kill off my love for Pokemon for over a decade.

>>57897937
>the worst regional dex in the entire series
That dishonor also goes to Johto. Say what you will about Staraptor and Luxray, they're strong Sinnohmons that carry their weight.

>>57897962
11 route 1 bug shitmons and rapidash? I kneel...

>>57897962
Luxray doesn't pull shit. It's pure electric type which is the worst possible type defensively that isn't ice, and it can't use its 120 SpA because it's strongest physical attack is fucking Spark. It needed Volt Tackle and Electric/Dark typing with STAB Crunch to be any good. It also needed about 40 SpA points redistributed into speed or HP.

>>57897969
>>57897972
meanwhile j*hto has fucking 1% yanma and marill encounters LMAO

>>57897178 (OP)
new synthesis: johto is pretty good if you know going in that you should have your final team of 4-5 + hm slave by the time you leave ecruteak city and if you try to sub in or add anything you will run out of playthrough XP, and even the smart fast way to grind you probably won't discover isn't fast enough until postgame. I don't think any of the other problems are that serious. It had a lot of bizarre 2000-era strategy guide bait content like daily calendar shit but the online wikis have tamed it at this point.

>>57897178 (OP)
Not even in the slightest. The actual debate on which is the biggest pre-BW turd is DP vs FRLG

>>57897976
Meanwhile Sinnoh has Munchlax honeytrees. Four trees with a 1% change to catch Munchlax and the game doesn't even tell you. Eat shit

>>57897972
yeah like ampharos is pulling its weight after morty. leave it to the johtofag to be a compfag for every gen but gen 2. go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>57897990
>Snorlax: a good mon worth using
>Yanma and Marill: lmao

>>57897962
>That dishonor also goes to Johto
It really is RSE. All the criticism people think applies to Johto actually applies to Hoenn. Many of Hoenn's pokemon are weak and inferior to its Kanto equivalent.

>>57897993
So did you miss the elemental punches in the department store, or...?

>>57897976
Gen 2 Azumarill is still a better mon than Lolray. For once it has actual bulk, it has perish trap utility, and water is a real defensive type. Azumarill gen 2 Surf also does more damage than Luxray's Spark or Thunder. And that's not even getting into the buffs that it got from Huge Power, Belly Drum and Aqua Jet in gen 4.
>>57897993
Ampharos has 115 SpA and can actually use it unlike Lolray who is stuck using early game moves because it doesn't learn anything else.

>>57897993
Luxray is already useful for Intimidate

Pokemon Gold and Silver are proudly Pokemon 2. RS onwards was too afraid of being an actual sequel and instead follows a lame formulaic soft-reboot where they take 1 step forwards and 3 steps back. To this day there is still no Pokemon 3.

>>57898001
what are you using fire punch for? oddishes?

>>57898003
>perish trap utility
lol. opinion discarded

>>57898010
it's like you're not aware that GSC is a rehash of RB and technically started the formulaic approach to the series

>>57897178 (OP)
No. That belongs to Kanto. But it says a lot about the 5 classic generations, that I'd rather play the "worst" one compared to any of the modern shit.
Besides, Kanto isn't really that bad.

>>57897998
RSE has the most early game diversity in the classic series

>>57897983
>The actual debate on which is the biggest pre-BW turd is DP vs FRLG
says no one but those deflecting from gsc/hgss

>>57898010
Who started the formula of having fire/water/grass starters? An early route rodent and bird? A legendary trio? What about getting 8 badges to battle the Elite 4 and champion?

Pokemon could've gone many different ways of being a sequel, but opted to copy Kanto's homework.

>>57897951
meanwhile: over half the johto dex is kanto crossgen evolutions, and the remaining are kanto parallels, with true originals few and far between

>>57897958
gee I wonder why
must have been them dumping the fisher price influence

>>57898041
This KILLS the Jotoddy

>>57898041
Groudon looks so fake and robotic I could mistake it for a theme park animatronic. No wonder the franchise died with gen 3. It's practically indistinguishable from Digimon at this point.

>>57898041
No, I'm pretty sure it was the linear plot, removal of the sandbox design of RBY/GSC, the slow frail mixed attackers, the removal of the day/night cycle, waste of time pokemon contests, the hideous trumpet music and the fact that RSE was the first dexit and you couldn't even get a lot of pokemon unless you also had a gamecube and FRLG

>>57898046
johtoddlers sure do hate depth and detail don't they

>>57898046
How is Groudon not a Pokemon but the literal animals, baby trash, and shit like Blissey were acceptable?

>>57898049
not sure how I would even begin to unravel all this cope
you know darn well the music is heat, for one
>best trainer battle theme in the series
>best wild battle theme in the series
>best champion battle theme in the series

>>57898062
fat baby mons for fat baby kids

>>57898052
>>57898067
>Appeal to popularity
You think like an insect
>>57898062
Kyogre and Groudon look like toys made for toddlers. Bright and shiny and oversaturated

>>57898062
johtoddies think the series should be My Little Pokemon and not Shin Megami Pokemon

>>57898062
Pokemon were always meant to be based off of cute animals and kaiju, the furries, the animatronics, all of that was clearly inspired by Digimon. Look at Blaziken for example, looks a lot more like WarGreymon than Charizard.

>>57898073
Bro this is full of different gens. Are you having a melty?
>>57898052
I don't know, it looks like game freak thought a day/night cycle and days of the week was too much for your head to grasp at once. RSE are the first games to remove features

>>57898080
>RSE are the first games to remove features
Where's Pikachu surf in GSC?

>>57898076
How was the overrepresentation of literal animals and fat cutesy shit acceptable? Oh wait, you can't explain why because you can't take off your nostalgia goggles.

>>57898076
you don't know what digimon look like

>>57898076
>Pokemon were never meant to have dep---

>>57898080
No timegating bullshit for shitmons is a good thing

>>57897649

>>57898104
tsm

>>57898108
both are good?

>>57897672

>pokemon is supposed to be ...
why is it always johtoniggers that say this

>>57898094
RSE is the epitome of fat, toy-shaped designs
>Zigzagoon
>The five route 1 shitmon bugs
>Lotad
>Seedot
>Tailow
>Pelipper
>The three gardevoir line mons
>Surskit
>Masquerain
>Shroomish
>Whismur
>Entire makuhita line is fat
>Azurill
>Nosepass
>Skitty line is cutesy
>Aron is toyshaped
>Plusle and Minum are baby pikaclone shitmons
>Volbeat and Illumise are fat and ugly
>Gulpin and Swalot are fat
>Carvanha and sharpedo are simple toy shapes
>Wailmer and Wailord are fat simple shapes
>Numel is a cutesy fat plush-shaped mon
>Spoink is fat and cute
>Spinda is fat and cute
>Trapinch is fat
>Cacnea is fat
>Swablu is fat and round
>Barboach and Corphish are literal animals
>Castform is another fat blob
>Shuppet is another simple shape
>Wynaut and Snorunt are round cutesy blobs
>Sealo and Spheal are fat blobs
>Clampearl is a literal circle
>Luvdisc is just <3
Take off your nostalgia goggles

>>57898117
what's the problem?

>>57898135
>Zigzagoon
>the mon covered in merch-unfriendly spikes all around its body
can't even go one line without stretching into thin air and getting it completely wrong
stopped reading

>>57898126
they have 0 ground to stand on unless they attempt to claim authority over what "true" Pokemon is because their gen is such an obvious outlier and lowpoint of the series

>>57898135
Imagine listing a bunch of early stage mons when fat derpy fucks like Meganium, Blissey, Azumarill, Quagsire, Lanturn, Togetic, Politoed, Jumpluff, Aipom, Dunsparce, and Delibird exist

>>57898145
>>57898156
Everything on that list is either an animal, fat, or cute. Everything haters say about Johto
pokemon

>>57898160
>overrepresentation
bro can't read

>>57898072
>>Appeal to popularity
you mean that thing johtods do all the time when they see it's convenient for them

>>57897414
>hold on, you're telling me a sequel built upon and expanded its existing setting and lore?
like a burger king builds upon and expands upon a former park to make an asphalt parking lot

>>57898096
Blaziken is clearly Garudamon at home.

>>57898135
some of these are unfounded picks. no shit the sumo wrestlers and sea lions will look blubbery. meanwhile the angler fish pokemon doesn't look remotely threatening

>>57898189
>less busy
>more thematic
not only is blaziken visually distinct from a digimon, but also artistically superior

>>57898185
delusional zoomerbabble

>>57898191
imagine being raised on Playdohto Lanturn only to learn later on in manchildhood what anglerfish actually look like
no wonder johtods spend so much time denying reality

>>57898023
and it's all trash

>>57897178 (OP)
The only bad mainline pokemon games came out after Black 2 and White 2. RGBY to BW/2 are literally all great games, and only get dragged because the nugen slop babies the player so all the retarded children who started with it that are old enough to voice their dipshit opinions online can't handle when a game doesn't give them every possible advantage and actually makes them play the game to earn the outcomes they want.

>>57898197
>>57898239
This is how 7 year olds argue when they have no argument left, name calling and "nuh uh!"

>>57898243
we're not arguing

>>57898239
it contains a literal top 10 popular pokemon of all time

>>57898246
Yeah you already lost

>>57898250
multiple times over too

>>57898250
OOOOOHHHHHHH
NOW YOU'VE GONE AND MADE ME UPSET

>>57898049
All Pokemon games up until maybe HGSS and even beyond them in most cases were almost 100% linear...

>>57898271
HGSS is railroaded to hell

>>57898275
You can complete gyms 5,6 &7 in any order you want

>>57898281
you should really do gym 7 first

>>57898255
it really is always wild to look into the minds of pokemon-addled retards and what they perceive to be funny. really are on the same level as bronies and 25 year old thomas the tank engine fanatics

>>57898331
it's not so funny when your beloved is the butt of the joke, no matter what the joke is

>>57898335
no one who knows what good pokemon games look like would champion HGSS boss movesets nor would they think platinum's are any good either.

>>57897462
>>57897474
>the level curve

Do you zoomer retards ever realize how retarded you sound when you bring up non-issues as complaints? Like its an issue you literally hear no one bring up until some nuzlocker fag spoke about it. Now everyone repeats it like its an actual issue.

Like, as a fucking 8 year old, I had no problem with the game at all, because there is no level curve issue, as every Pokemon game is easy as shit.

>>57898367
calm down

>>57898367
Just like how the ice-gym image presents a non-issue since the average kid will just spam A for their fire starter, so that "incredible moveset" is irrelevant

gen 4 is worse by nearly every single metric

>>57897342
Accurate, except PLA is mediocre at best and shouldn’t be here.

BW1 is probably the second worst in the golden era after DP, but BW2 is a huge redemption that saves Unova like how Platinum saves Sinnoh.

>>57898382
>since the average kid will just spam A for their fire starter
and they'll lose to snow cloak froslass hax

>>57898402
>i had to grind, reset the battle, and spam potions to barely win
>but pokemon is still an easy baby game
pokemon difficulty logic perpetuated by johtofags

>>57898409
kalosfags too

>>57898394
gen 4 is just gen 2's sequel but most of the pokemon aren't dogshit

>>57897998
Yay I get to use pokemon that totally aren't unfun trash like poochyena, wurmple, and slower kadabra.

>>57898402
>and they'll lose to -ACK!

>>57898459
>it's easy if you overgrind
We know yawnie, now post the overleveled Pikachu spamming potions on Onix in Yellow

>>57897937
Johto has the worst region dex in the series with the worst item spread in the series with the worst move sets in the series. Pt's dex is the best before BW2, it's not really close.

>>57897342
>plass
kek

It's the best. The only, singular thing wrong with Gen 2 is the impossibility to level beforw the elite 4 without grinding.
It's all still doable, that's not the bar to jump.

>>57898281
and that's a bad thing

>>57898459
notice how this doesn't show you winning

>>57897581
I have no idea how the worst isn't considered to be GSC. HGSS is still dogshit and has nearly every problem GSC has, with more time gated dogshit.
The team building is horrendous given that the Pokemon distribution is bad, the level curve makes it difficult to add new team members after Morty (and practically impossible in Kanto) without grinding, plenty of Johto Pokemon are locked to the postgame or unreasonably rare in remote areas, and the new evolutions that could've helped were restricted to the postgame save for one heart scale. There's a reason why everyone uses Ampharos and Heracross, and it's because options are limited. That makes replayability with different teams harder

The overworld feels hollow and empty. Johto is a linear region with some of the simplest routes, most boring and short required dungeons and unfulfilling optional dungeons with disappointing rewards. You can complete everything it has to offer in under 20 hours, which is short for a Pokemon game. Easily the worst region after Galar. Kanto was downgraded from RBY/FRLG since so many iconic and interesting areas were removed. Besides, all you do is a boss rush through the gym leaders, which should take 3 hours tops. 2 regions mean jack if they're both underwhelming

The pacing is absolutely horrendous. There's no reason for there to be no regular trainers between the Chuck and Jasmine fight, and then having to fight a barrage of underleveled and boring rocket grunts in Mahogany and Goldenrod. Considering that the latter is the main quest's climax, that's extremely disappointing. Certainly doesn't help that most of the boss battles were lame, especially Lance. Who thought 3 Dragonites were a good idea when 2 of them could've easily been replaced by Kingdra and Tyranitar, which would've also showed off some of the new Johto Pokemon which the game failed at doing?

Just a few things that show the flawed gameplay which other Pokemon games excelled at

>>57898486
>radio tower is the main quest's climax
>muh freaking johto pokeymons
your state-assigned handler should probably not let you use 4chan unsupervised

>>57897178 (OP)
Since when is it FOUR classic gens?

>>57898462
>it's easy if you -ACK!

>>57898500
Since zoomers grew up and started posting online. Everyone knows it's actually two classic gens.

>>57897198
Him and smithplays have been a disaster to Gen 2 discussion

>>57898505
>not even halfway through the game
wow yawnie, platinum is pretty hard huh?

>>57898497
Nice non-response, now cry about Youtubers or whatever now faggot

>>57898486
>options are limited
Nah nigga your fucking brain is what's limited. You are out of your fucking mind, and the only way a person can ever find themselves uttering something this stupid is if they think they're "too good" to use the myriad Pokemon available to you.

>>57898507
>i can't spam my gay fake childhood nostalgia story on veepee for the 293714th time :(((((
grow up

johto's the worst by pretty much every metric

>>57898510
nah the game is just so fucking boring I didn't feel like wasting more of my time

I'm sure the game is great for people who like staring at geodude and zubat though

>>57898512
When the game gives you level 50 Magikarps after the 4th badge, why would you use anything else?

i don't even hate GSC* but it's really sad how the only defense people can muster for it is "nuh uh" and bitching about random youtubers

>>57898486
based

>>57898523
? ? ?

>>57897375
>Skarmory
>2 trade evos
Steel types are nearly just as bad in Gen 2 lmao

>>57898530
route 43 hgss encounters

>>57897178 (OP)
Yeah, the design is just kind of strange. I still prefer it over gen 5 and following gens however.

i don't even like GSC* but it's really sad how the only offense people can muster for it is "level curve bad because I said so" and bitching about having to actually play the game to find new pokemon

>>57897969
the bottom 2 alone would make a better regional dex than Johto.

>>57898533
Lol what the fuck

>>57898538
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57898551
You parrot ecelebs and link reddit polls like a bugman

>>57898538
>and bitching about having to actually play the game to find new pokemon
So true sis, Larvitar being in the final route of the game 50 levels below the last boss is great design. I felt like a true explorer when I found that lol

>>57898554
newfag

>>57898557
it should've been level 5 for more gameplay

>>57898533
hgss isn't real and i don't own any dumb ass thing it does... but this is very funny to learn about, another thing for the "hgss sucks just play the original" list

>>57898557
you the player will be 25-30 levels below the last boss, what does that matter? should the last dungeon in the game just not have any new pokemon in it?

>>57898561
>should the last dungeon in the game just not have any new pokemon in it?
yes

>>57898557
>Implicit admission Red is a good final boss
Thanks. Good luck. Have fun having rapidash as your only fire type and your 4 one percent Munchlax trees that take 9 hours

>>57898561
>just play the original
those suck too
>should the last dungeon in the game just not have any new pokemon in it?
yes

>>57898565
i think it's kind of stupid but at least you're owning it and i would at least entertain arguments to that effect. worth noting that misdreavus is usable on said final boss with no investment as a fresh capture, though.

>>57898568
not that i'm a huge fan of platinum or DP but the whole fire types in DP thing has always felt like a dumb thing to complain about, and rapidash is fine if you feel like you have to use one at all but also actively refused taking the starter.

>>57897178 (OP)
I always thought Gen 4 was worse. It always felt like a slog to play through and the dex was just… not good. 4 < 2 < 3 < 1 imo

>>57898577
Do you hate Mewtwo?

>>57898560
It should've been level 1 and only available on tuesday at 4AM, Johto faggots love that kind of gameplay

>>57898581
Gen 4 is like a follow up of gen 2. It even brought back its general slowness and the HP scrolling bug. A lot of its shitty cross gen evos are linked to Johtomons

>>57898189
Blaziken alone shits on all of the ugly tubby Johto starters.

>>57898587
Yeah, but it felt worse. The HM usage felt extremely egregious, especially Defog. Coming after Hoenn it was just… why?

>>57898578
>misdreavus
This is something GSC actually thought through, but you need to level it once to get Perish Song. It's an easy answer for Snorlax. But I don't see why Misdreavus couldn't be available either.

>>57898486
another shit thing in HGSS is they removed the ability to buy game corner coins, leading to more waiting around and playing shitty minigames.

>>57898592
blaziken is the ugliest starter ever made

>>57898607
That's Feraligatr, it looks like something from Gen 8

>>57898609
even your comparison admits gen 8 is uglier than feraligatr. and blaziken is uglier than gen 8.

>>57898615
>blaziken is uglier than gen 8
no it's not

>>57898615
No you're just butthurt you got BTFO'd 20 times in this thread alone.

>>57898615
Johto has the ugliest starters that are also the shittiest to use in game, so nah.

>>57898586
Better than Pokemon contests designed to attract little girls like you

>>57898602
>earlier misdreavus
it wouldn't really change the game very much outside of superficially getting to say you're using one of gen 2's new ghosts instead of haunter, but at least in player hands misdreavus, if you moved its unique tools to earlier levels it would have SOME purpose. the real lunatic behavior is when people think the morty boss fight would be improved by having a misdreavus on it just to say it's being represented, not understanding that a perish song user will never get anything of note done on an AI-controlled team

>>57898636
skill issue honestly

>>57898640
>designed to attract little girls like you
Meanwhile, Johturd is the slop to introduce Bugsy and Kris so AGP faggots could live out their fantasies.

Blaziken was the first fursuit starter

>>57898641
i'm pretty sure the gen 2 ai is smart enough to switch out on the last turn of perish song. they can hard code missy to use mean look turn 1 and perish song turn 2. perish trapping would've been cool to see for a gym battle.

Johto hate always comes off as whiny an autistic. Especially when you consider that most of the hate comes from pro nuzlockers that cheat and late gen zoomers with sour grapes.

>>57898516
Yes, I would rather hear someone's gay fake childhood nostalgia story on veepee for the 293714th time than parrot the opinions of whiny terminally online ecelebs. Atleast the people who post their nostalgia stories spent their time actually playing the games instead of just arguing about their flaws online, and no one's drowning in a sea of negativity with their stories.

Lugia is the first vorebait pokemon

People bitch about T-tar but nobody says shit about Salamence and Metagross

>>57898625
yes it is

Reminder
>>57898399

>>57898524
case in point
>>57898650
>>57898652

>>57898645
RSE had the first gay pokemon trainer

>>57898663
>GSC had the first gay pokemon trainer

>>57898656
Salamence isn't postgame

>>57898666
bugsy's scyther is female.

>>57898666
This says a lot about you.

>>57898650
They can't stand the slower pace of the games because their little pea brains are fried from all the short burst instant dopamine tiktok brainrot they consume.

>>57898659
You can literally go check the archive and see the same shit. "MUH YOUTUBERS" is just johturds looking for something to deflect to

>>57898663
This says a lot about you.

>>57898486
truthnuke

>>57898675
that you like trannies? good for you

>>57898649
under the utmost, perfect AI conditions, misdreavus might take out one pokemon with mean look perish song. but morty has four pokemon and the player is likely to have 4-6 of their team on deck, so the math just doesn't really add up.

>>57898678
these are three posts made by stupid people in 2013, the oldness doesn't make them any less dumb. and i don't think anyone actually believes pokemon challenges invented retarded johtoposting, either.

i've never seen a fanbase destroy its own reputation as quickly as johto's

>>57898511
>>57898516
savage

>>57898685
>these are three posts made by stupid people in 2013, the oldness doesn't make them any less dumb. and i don't think anyone actually believes pokemon challenges invented retarded johtoposting, either.
put that goalpost back where it came from or so help me

>>57898677
Damn. Johto haters BTFO

>>57898367
In gen 2 you had badge boosts so you could beat most of the end game with under leveled pokemon

>>57898689
Hating Johto was a fringe opinion.

>>57898524
raging against the dying light is all johtoddlers have and can do after the unleashing of the tidal wave of evidence to the contrary of their years of shameless uncontested shilling for it

if you find it sad, it's only because you forgot or weren't present for their obnoxious and incorrigible evangelizing over the years prior

>>57898691
Which is a good thing. Only autistic losers love EVs and friendship berry management. Getting max DVs on your pokemon let you use more of what like.

>>57898538
>i don't even like GSC
yes you do

>>57897186
SPBP, I'd also say Gen 7 and 9 are better experiences than the Johto games.

>>57898697
Blah blah blah. People still hate Galar and SV more. And those games didn't need decade-long hate campaigns

>>57898560
lel
>>57898586
lmfao

>>57898698
I'm not complaining about that. But they got rid of badge boosts in gen 4 so they should've changed the enemy teams around and the levels of wild pokemon. I also don't like how they retconned the new pokemon from newly discovered to always been known, they should've made their placements better

>>57898662
fine
>low stakes plot
non issue
>gen 2 pokemon are rare and hard to fine
Sounds based. HGSS made them even easier to obtain with the safari zone and Pokewalker.
>it's hard to find good Pokemon in Johto
Good in fact strong Pokemon SHOULD be hard to obtain.
>the level curve
Have you played any other JRPG? Bosses are usually higher level than the player. Your knowledge of game mechanics like type effectiveness, statuses and buffs are enough to carry you through.

>>57898607
johtoddies love taking true statements, spitefully inversing them, then passing those off as facts

>>57898717
Chicken fursuit man

there's no way they didn't make this by telling an AI to generate a fischer price alligator lol

>>57898724
G6 garbagetry again with a HGSS or GSC sprite

>>57898645
>Meanwhile, Johturd is the slop to introduce Bugsy and Kris so AGP faggots could live out their fantasies.

>>57898728
Yeah he is a loser for thinking a kid is gay, if you said that to anyone they'd think he's a mentally ill freak

>>57898663
RSE Wallace is a heterosexual metrosexual.

>>57898731
Go show your mom both

>>57898731
Wallace has more masculinity than everyone in Johto combined

>>57898678
>"Nuh-uh you're crazy."
>*refuses to elaborate*
I can't believe this was the tod playbook the whole time

honestly I thought they may have been smarter once upon a time, but clearly not---there was apparently never in history any justification for believing anything close to Johto being the best

>>57898687
this has been 6 years in the making for the offensive on west kanto, and many more years in the lead up to that

they behave this way every such thread, it's nothing new

>>57898724
Ferligatr sure does look like a bathtoy

it's crazy how it's still arguably the least unappealing water starter; that type has way too many misses

>>57897969
Where are the Eevees, Yanmega, Tangrowth, Rotom, Porygon, and Nosepass? If it's BDSP, why is Gliscor included? Why are both version exclusives included?

That image makes no sense.

>thread about jotho
>immediately get derailed with unova genwar
how typical

>>57898595
no way defog is worse than whirlpool

>>57897476
>Vanilluxe, Polteageist and Blipbug
those arent bad doe

>>57898678
>>57898659
Why are gen war fags so mentally ill that they post proof they are wrong and demented?

Like, all this does is prove that these are non-issues that no one really complained about. None of these comments predate nuzlock stupidity which is the only reason the "level curve" became a talking point because most people never had an issue with it by playing the game normally, and Pokemon games are so notoriously easy for RPG that no one cared it was easy. Also, none of those comments point to the game being bad for it. Like wow, 5 people complaining about something over a decade. Totally a real issue.

>>57898746
>>57898742
>>57898739
>>57898717

You will never be this mentally ill

>>57898902
They complained about it, but you're the one to bury them as non-issues. Don't victimize yourself now that they're calling you out.

>5 people represent the whole player base
You really can't be this stupid. Holy fucking shit.

what an embarrassing thread for johtofags. if you wanna spam about nostalgia go fuck off to >>>/vr/ thanks

>>57898948
they're not even the dominant force there either, /vr/ Pokemon is mostly kantykes

>>57897178 (OP)
Reminder that Crystal was the first DEIslop game thanks to Kris, the first female (and most forgettable) protagonist. Wait, we're giving it a pass because gen 2 was our childhood? :)

GSC are the worst of the first 5 gens, but they're still simplistic GB games you can blast through quickly.
HGSS just pads them putting way too many key items in the postgame/side activities (Battle Frontier/Pokethlon/Voltorb Flip/Phone calls) leaving the first half the game feel rudimentary. It did little to fix the level curve, enemy trainers, or distribution of Johto pokemon, leading to a boring gameplay experience.

>>57897178 (OP)
HG&SS was peak Pokémon.
Its only flaw was it included unrelated gen 3 and 4 pokemon in small capacities and didnt allow for cross gen evolutions until post game, and no sevii islands.

HG&SS is bad pokemon.
One of its biggest flaws is straight up copying the shitty encounter tables and not adding any gen 3 or 4 pokemon past 1 heart scale.

>>57898739
lol

Today i learned that /vp/ can't complete GSC without shift mode, items in battle, and grinding.

And I thought people who complained about grind in Final Fantasy games were braindead shitters, wow.

>>57897182

>>57897186
spbp