Terastallize > Mega Evolution - /vp/ (#57902609) [Archived: 1141 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/13/2025, 6:56:22 AM No.57902609
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Teras are more consistent with the worldbuilding of Pokemon - every Pokemon has the potential, no matter what level of evolution are they currently in.
Megas are just pure fanservice and favoritism with nothing explainable to begin with.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:07:29 AM No.57902644
Mechanically (in the real format, doubles)
Teras > Megas/Z moves >>>>> Dynamax
If it has to be explained why then you probably didn't play the games at the time.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:11:15 AM No.57902656
dynamax vs mega evolution
dynamax vs mega evolution
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>>57902644
only campaignshitters screech about dynamax
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:13:47 AM No.57902666
>Tera
>Consistent lore
Kekaroooooooooooooooooooo
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:16:57 AM No.57902677
it's completely apples to oranges and the lore of these things are nothing alike. they could all feasibly exist in the same game at the same time
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:18:42 AM No.57902684
I would take Teras - Megas are just Digimony bs
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:19:56 AM No.57902690
>>57902666
Still more consistent than Megas afaik
Although I didn't play the SV DLC, since I don't really care about DLCs in general
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 7:34:55 AM No.57902746
>>57902656
>Hurr durr I make one of my six mons mons at randum go big and nuke you!!
>Nuh uh I make my mon giant so I blocked your nuke!!!
>Uh oh your nuke timed out, now I nuke your team!! I win!!
It works both ways Galartard
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6/13/2025, 7:35:53 AM No.57902750
super saiyan>>>>stupid hats
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 2:49:13 PM No.57903502
>>57902609 (OP)
Tera is dogshit in Singles and Megas felt balanced (only because Smogon actually banned the complete bullshit megas like Mence/Metagross/Lucario/Kanga etc.)
Tera is based in VGC because of open team sheets. However restricteds with tera are really killing the gimmick for me. The restricted pokemon are already broken. Giving them defensive tera options and/or a tera STAB/coverage boost is just too much. With the exception of Terapagos of course.
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 3:10:32 PM No.57903540
>>57902609 (OP)
They aren't as cool.

Going beyond the limits of your regular power = cool.
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 3:17:40 PM No.57903549
>>57902609 (OP)
>Teras = every single mon is the exact same as before except they become sparkly and get the exact same hat and power ups which gets old very fast
>Megas = every transformation is like a brand new mon with new abilities, looks, stat distributions and typing. Plus not every mon gets one which builds interest to see which mons might get one in the future.
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 3:49:35 PM No.57903620
>>57902656
Dynamax is just ridiculously overpowered.
If you present players with the choice of dyna, tera, mega, or Z moves, they will take dynamax every time because it's insane.
>double hp
>max moves are 100-150bp
>Max moves never miss, do buff and debuff stat changes, inflict status, set weather, set terrain, or in extreme cases do 1/4 damage every turn to both opponent mons(lmao)
>moves hit through protect, do 1/4 damage which is often still enough
In practice these were almost always used on your strongest mons to nuke things. By its very design, support/status moves became max guard so it was nearly pointless to dynamax a support mon.
In comparison, megas were much more balanced and existed in a much less powerful meta. Even by VGC 2015 most megas didn't survive the reintroduction of sub-legendaries like the genies.
I hope we never see dynamax again unless it is substantially nerfed.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:06:35 PM No.57903668
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>>57902750
>Here's your "Super Saiyan" redditbro totally like muh Goku :)
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:07:50 PM No.57903674
>>57903668
Absolutely fire and fan favorite design.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:09:39 PM No.57903683
>>57903674
... on opposite day
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:12:55 PM No.57903695
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>>57903668
LOL
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:16:14 PM No.57903709
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>>57902609 (OP)
Okay but the turtle with literal type symbols you see on the UI on its shell is the most immersion breaking thing I've seened. Arceus did it better
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:20:50 PM No.57903720
>>57903620
This is a really twisted way to look at the game, just saying “it’s strong” is not exploring how it affected the meta and also “most megas did not survive the reintroduction of genies etc” yeah no shit you can only use one of course everyone is just using one of the best ones
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:24:18 PM No.57903731
>>57902690
You should at least watch the cutscenes. It will ruin Terastal for you.
>>57903709
Every other Pokémon with a type-changing gimmick did it better.
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:36:02 PM No.57903762
>>57903720
It's not twisted, it's acknowledging the reality of some metas foster more power than others. When the power level was relatively low you saw quite a variety of megas in use during 2014 because there's room for them on a team and you can support them even in the face of the "best" ones in your words. When a meta's power level is high, those spots become precious and most pokemon that are otherwise viable get pushed out and the meta centralizes.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 4:57:34 PM No.57903812
>>57903762
It’s twisted in that it seems like you’re conflating a bunch of different ideas together at once. Restricted Legendaries push out non restricted non support Pokemon just like optimized Pokemon push out non optimized because they’re all competing for the same 6 slots on your team. Saying Dynamax falls in that category requires you to twist the idea, “well you see Dynamax makes more powerful Pokemon even more powerful so the weak ones are worse by proportion”, it’s a leap in logic that doesn’t hold up because Dmax changes various mechanics and is available to both players
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 5:00:53 PM No.57903818
nah, Terra look stupid with the giant hat so mega>zmoves>terra>reginal replacements>inflatamax form
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 5:03:15 PM No.57903821
>>57903812
Look at how Dynamax was used in practice, not just anecdotes, and you'll find a trend - it was used to make the rich richer.
It's not a leap in logic, it's a fact.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 5:10:23 PM No.57903842
>>57903821
> it was used to make the rich richer.
si just like every gimmick ever ever since gems were introduced? good to know
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 5:16:45 PM No.57903853
>>57903842
2014 saw pokemon that were absolutely not viable become viable thanks to their megas and the ones that survived power creep of the subsequent 2 worlds barely made an appearance.
It was not a rich get richer situation then, it's that megas themselves were all pretty weak excepting Salamence, Metagross, and Kangaskhan's utility as a powerful priority mon.
So the only way to have variety was a lower power meta. That's just the way it works too, low power metas allow a greater variety in strategy and team building.
2014, 2017, and 2023 were pretty good metas for variety.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 10:08:02 PM No.57904626
>>57903853
All you are doing with megas is changing the names around, Kangaskhan is good now? So what, somebody using Kangaskhan on their team is just using it in place of another Pokemon that was previously viable. The same thing happens when rulesets change, like Gastrodon being more viable in restricted ruleset
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 10:15:10 PM No.57904637
>>57904626
>changing the names around
No, you fundamentally don't understand what I'm getting at and I'm done trying to make you understand.
Gastrodon only works because Kyogre exists, the odd counters to restricteds are far fewer than the number of pokemon that can be made to work in lower-power metas. It's not even close to disputed that the double(single too) restricted format is very centralizing.
You need only examine the regional results and usage to get an idea of what's actually usable.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:04:30 PM No.57904783
>>57904637
>low power meta
>mega kanga

Incompatible
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:10:16 PM No.57904806
>>57902609 (OP)
both were a fucking mistake
>>57902656
dynamax and gigantamax mons were also a mistake
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:11:42 PM No.57904811
>>57903668
>let's slap pointy rocks on aerodactyl and call it a day!
mega evolutions truly were a rancid mistake
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:12:33 PM No.57904814
>>57902609 (OP)
Megas are cooler and more marketable.
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Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:16:38 PM No.57904829
>>57904814
they were a mistake that enabled gamefreak's laziness
Anonymous
6/13/2025, 11:27:04 PM No.57904860
>>57904783
Look at 2014's results, where is mega Kangaskhan?
I literally don't see how you get hung up on that. Mega K is a support mon who found its purpose in the more powerful and extremely centralized 2015 meta. Then it lost most of its purpose in the ridiculously powerful 2016 meta.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 12:36:48 AM No.57905077
>>57904860
This ultimately doesn’t matter, it can be Mawhile or Lucario too. There are always going to be best Pokemon, buffing Mawhile/Lucario just pushed out Pokemon that’d otherwise be in those slots. This also doesn’t really have anything to do with mega vs Dynamax, early Swsh also had good variety
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 1:01:40 AM No.57905181
I think a big reason people are so hung up on megas is that back in gen 6 nobody knew it was just one of the many gimmicks that would come and go, and it genuinely seemed like more mos would get new forms with new gens. People were looking forward to using pokemon which they liked but didn't do well in battles.
With newer gens, you already have the expectation that the new gimmick will be replaced and don't get as attached.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:32:58 AM No.57905735
Don't care about cool factor, Digimon oozes coolness but didn't result in being more successful
Consistency and coherency is more important
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:43:52 AM No.57905763
Tera looks like dogshit so megas are better
Simple as
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:50:26 AM No.57905773
Mega evolution = Reddit
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:17:47 AM No.57905944
I like the concept of teras, I hate the goofy execution of their hats though.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:49:43 AM No.57905995
>>57905944
They made Tera look like shit on purpose so that CHARIZARD’s broken special snowflakes version would look better in comparison, but SV were so glitched out they couldn’t code in CHARIZARD’s forms
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:52:17 AM No.57905998
megashit
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>>57902644
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:46:22 AM No.57906247
Mega Stones
Mega Stones
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I never played SV, but Tera seems like a way to replace Hidden Power Types?
Whereas Mega Stones were another way to add cross gen evolution. They function as new Pokemon, but with +100 BST legendary stats, and the stones preventing you from using more than one at a time.