https://pokemonbbs.com/post/read.cgi?no=2337758

she makes a good point

the """"""""2d"""""""" in question:

>>57903016 (OP)
2.5D is just purely vibes based

>>57903016 (OP)
The reason is that the monster themselves are not 3d rendered models but sprites. The world is full 3D with a forced camera angle sure and some effects also make use of simple 3D effects but people do not consider post GBA core games 3D until XY because the sprites.

>>57903016 (OP)
>still uses sprites
Gee, I wonder...

>>57903016 (OP)
If Gen 4 is 2D, then BDSP is also 2D.
You cannot refute this.

>>57903208
Yeah I can: you're retarded.

>>57903208
BDSP uses 3D rendered models, not sprites.
Ergo, BDSP are 3D games. Thanks for playing.

>>57903016 (OP)
>GameFreak pioneered the 2.5d style that indie devs and Square Enix would later fall head-over-heels for.
They deserve more credit desu

>>57903161
Mario 64 is a 2D game according to this Anon

>>57903769
reminder than nu /vp/ is infested with disingenuous retarded zoomers

>>57903016 (OP)
Gen 4 avoids doing cool camera tricks like Gen 5 and Gen 6 do for the most part, so it's easy to forget when you're sitting in the same angle the whole game

Am I crazy, or is the camera angle slightly lowered specifically for Gardenia's gym puzzle in Diamond and Pearl?

>>57903769
The world and characters are 3D. A few overworld textures being 2D changes nothing.

>>57903776
What's nu /vp/?
Gen 7+?

>>57904934
gen 8+

>>57904934
Dexit singlehandedly changed /vp/ (and the entire fanbase) as a whole.
So yeah in between Gen 7 and 8 is when everything went to shit.

>>57903016 (OP)
Where is the 3D here?

>>57904994
Inb4 yawnie claims the rock is a 3D model

>>57904934
imo classics are 1-4, but nu is only 7+ (either as of SM or after USUM, but no later than 'as of LGPE').
5-6 are intermediate, hence all the sperging between those two sister gens.

>>57903016 (OP)
It's just slang. What people clearly mean is that the battles are no longer sprites but use Gen 6+ 3D models. Gen 4 and 5 would be sprite based games, and the people claiming otherwise immediately contradict themselves when they start posting about 5's battle sprites vs 6's animations. It's just more games these genwar autists play to demoralize you on the DS games.

People play pokemon for the collectible monsters. It's the defining iconic feature of the series. The most centered aspect of every main series pokemon game are the battles involving the pokemon, and the pokedex. This is what 99% of players spend the vast majority of their time focusing on. Therefore these pokemon being the heart and soul of the series are what people attribute to defining a game being "2D" or "3D". The 2D era was when the pokemon in the battles were drawn using 2D sprites. The 3D era was when the pokemon in the battles took a decline from sprites and became rendered as 3D models. Nobody ever cared about a cutscene or a tree or building in the overworld. So yes, Gen 1-5 are the 2D era, and gen 6+ are the 3D era (pbuh).

>>57903017
turn the camera.

>>57904931
>The world and characters are 3D
Bob-Ombs are 2D textures.

>>57903769
Mario himself is a polygonal model. You should have used Mario Kart 64 where the player characters are sprites.

>>57903161
This. XY is my favorite 2D game.

>>57905828
see >>57905801
The pokemon are not primarily depicted as 2D sprites in battles, XY were the 3d era.

>>57903016 (OP)
Because the sprites are 2D.

>>57903085
2,5 is scaling sprites

>>57905801
But even as recent as SV and LZA, Pokemon are still represented in a 2D format in some shape or form, that being their static menu renders.
So Pokemon is still a 2D game.

>>57905832
>The pokemon are not primarily depicted as 2D sprites in battles,
so?

>>57905852
>>57905856
Try again. Reread the post.

>>57905860
all I read is you moving goalposts

>>57905856
So that's how the fanbase divides them, based on if the game in battle has sprite animations or 3D model animations. Any argument from you is just going to be you pretending to be stupid.

>>57905865
>So that's how the fanbase divides them
I'm the fanbase and I don't divide it that way.

>>57905862
You didn't read the post. You are accusing everyone of what you are guilty of.

>>57905869
same

>>57905870
>You didn't read the post
I did, that's how I know you just moved goalposts

>>57905869
>>57905871
>Any argument from you is just going to be you pretending to be stupid.

>>57905871
Try again. Reread the post.

>>57903208
>>57903364
>bdsp is 2D
>bdsp is 3D
actually, it's slop

>>57906033
Just like every other mainline Pokemon game?

>>57905873
>you don’t agree with my shitty attempt at an ad populum argument? y-you’re just pretending to be stupid!
kek

>>57905874
try again. Don’t move goalposts this time

>>57906043
Now you're parroting everything people say because you have lost the argument. You've been doing this for years.

>>57906039
>akshully pokemon was always totally le bad

>>57906057
Yes. Why do you think Pokemania was centered entirely around the anime and TCG? The games alone could never carry.

>>57906060
>still failing to push this historical revisionism

>>57906055
I'm parroting what other you say because you're using a low effort non-argument that can easily be refuted by throwing your own shitty logic back at you. You've been doing this for years.

>>57906063
Kek you're so mad bro. Now try again, reread the post.

>>57906062
Right, and that's why the initial marketing hype was about Pokemon Red and Blue, and not Ash's Aunt telling us about his adventures that we can catch on TV soon.

Why isn't Platinum considered an overworld encounter game? It has overworld encounters.

>>57906070
what is this even supposed to mean

>>57906073
SV fans keep attacking Gen 4 games for not having overworld encounters, but that's not right.

>>57906080
????

>>57906064
Try again, don't move goalposts.

>>57906088
I accept your concession, parrot.

>>57906090
I accept your concession, goalpost mover.

>>57906060
what's your point. obviously cards and cartoons are easier to consume than a video game which require hours of your time. none of that reflects on the quality of the game.

>>57905828
XY literally pushed 3D visuals as its selling point. Denying it is pure cope

>>57906180
BW literally pushed 3D visuals as its selling point. Denying it is pure cope

>he did it again

>>57904541
stark mountain and maybe the distortion world are all i can think of where the camera changes. and hgss photographs ig

>>57906180
>explosive 3D battles!
Something we have in Gen 5, when 3D is utilized for rendering the circle textures the Pokemon stand on.

>he keeps doing it

>>57906184
>BW literally pushed 3D visuals as its selling point.
Source:My ass

>>57903016 (OP)
gen 4 fans don't really give a fuck whether or not their games are classified as 2d or 3d

gen 5 fans are desperate to force their games as 2d because the only way they can make gen 5 look good is to invent an imaginary group of "good" games and pretend gen 5 is a part of it. They can't actually defend gen 5 on its own merits. It's just pathetic coattail riding.

>>57906201
the source is me not being a newfag

sweet new yawnie just dropped

>>57903016 (OP)
Nip trvke

>>57906209
XY is my favorite 2D game

>>57903016 (OP)
gen 6 fans don't really give a fuck whether or not gen 5 games are classified as 2d or 3d

gen 6 fans are desperate to force gen 5 games as 3d because the only way they can make gen 6 look good is to invent an imaginary group of "bad" games and pretend gen 5 is a part of it. They can't actually defend gen 6 on its own merits. It's just pathetic coattail riding.

>>57906211
kek that post really got your blood boiling huh?

>>57906204
kek that post really got your blood boiling huh?

nice thread

>>57905801
I agree with you but I cared about those animations for the trees and the like. HGSS had such a rich map compared to anything else in gen 4 before.

>>57906204
>invent an imaginary group of "good" games and pretend gen 5 is a part of it.
Except nothing is stopping you from arguing the 3D games are better you schizo retard. You 3Dcucks just all suffer from an inferiority complex.
2D battle sprites = 2D game
3D model animations = 3D game
End of discussion.

The problem is the Kalos fan's brain is so warped by years of genwarring that 3D automatically means bad to him and he's too mentally ill to see no one's talking about game quality, just what's 2D and what's 3D.

>>57906269
2D overworld = 2D game
3D overworld = 3D game
end of discussion

>>57906276
huh? what does this even mean?

>>57906276
Alright you win.
What's your favorite 3D game? Mines Gen 5, its animations are so much better than the other 3D slop.

>>57906285
This. I like how Aerodactyl’s tail animation doesn’t loop correctly and how Samurott is fidgeting around like a puppet instead of pulling out its sword when it attacks. Truly peak.

>>57906293
I like the desaturated parade float balloons look Gen 6 went with personally.

>>57905750
Holy shit an actually reasonable, genuine opinion that makes sense

>>57906295
This. I like how the Pokemon look accurate to the source material instead of having things like Machoke randomly being purple or Entei being washed out for no reason.

>>57906184
parotting is an admission of defeat

>>57906293
>Aerodactyl’s tail animation doesn’t loop correctly and how Samurott is fidgeting around like a puppet
How can that be?

>>57907491
lazy and rushed game development

>>57907492
Is that all? There seems to be something else that makes Gen 5 Aerodactyl different from Gen 6 Aerodactyl.

>>57907500
yeah, true. gen 5 aerodactyl is also missing like 10 animations compared to gen 6 aerodactyl. It sucks that gen 5 was rushed

>>57907503
>gen 5 aerodactyl is also missing like 10 animations compared to gen 6 aerodactyl.
Why's that?

>>57903776
/thread

>>57907511
because gen 5 is rushed

>>57907492
>someone says 3D is shit
>response is to compare it to another 3D game
Care to explain yourself?

So this is what happens when XY are your favorite games.

Gen 1 is 3D Pokemon due to Pokemon Stadium being the natural final destination of all Gen 1 games, serving as their effective postgame and ideal place for PVP.
Same with Gen 2 and Stadium 2.
Gen 3 is the only 2D Pokemon generation because Colosseum/GoD don't serve that same purpose.

>>57907536
? what's wrong with comparing a good 3D game and a bad 3D game?

>>57907556
The part where you're doing it in response to a 2Dfag, schizo.