COULD PIKACHU BEAT ETEMON IN A FIGHT!!!!

>>57904705 (OP)
Which Pikachu? Etemon is probably at least psuedo-legendary or sub legendary levels of strength. So Ash's pikachu might be able to, but most would not be able to.

>>57904715
Ash's Pikachu.

>>57904749
wins via plot armor

>>57904749
They're right. Pikachu's bond with Ash would absolutely unlock his Crest of Battle to turn him into Pikachu: Champion Mode.

>>57904705 (OP)
Yes, absolutely
Any Pokemon can defeat Etemon considering their feats in the anime and manga.

>>57904802
You know how strong etemon actually is?

>>57904802
Slander of the king won't stand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bNUb9IcIk4

>>57904802
"Any Pokemon" is a broad statement
do you have feats that apply to literally all Pokemon?

>>57904844
All pokemon can withstand the Judgement of god and survive. So there's that.

>>57904705 (OP)
Likely not, yet still maybe could in some cases depending on how such a fight goes and the specifics.

Since we're really talking about Pokémon VS Digimon in terms of who'd win in a fight. Digimon have much greater jumps in power from Digivolving than Pokémon do from Evolving. There's an extreme gap from the weakest and strongest Digimon. It seems to me, Digimon are really reliant on Digivolving to be strong. For most Digimon, if reduced to the lowest of their evo-line and unable to transform, they're basically helpless. Mega Digimon wins against a Mega Pokémon, Baby Pokémon wins against a Baby Digimon.

But there's still plenty of other factors of course, like Status Moves.

>>57904849
The Arceus in game is an avatar of the real one, therefore they never actually face omnipotent power. Show some feats of the "judgement of god" attack and we can see its actual strength.

>>57904852
Champion is where a digimon matures into an actual combatant. Rookies are basically undeveloped as the name implies.

>>57904849
This makes Arceus and Pokémon by extension look weaker if "the judgement of god" can't K.O a Magikarp.
And since we're using game logic, the Arceus in-game is also an avatar of the real one, therefore nothing it fights ever faces omnipotent power, it's at a level where a baby Pokémon's out of PP struggling will shed an actual HP point off Arceus and Judgement as a move isn't that special as there are many more mundane attacks that have more base power.

>>57904909
I said that as a joke, please don't seriously start power scaling. That shit ruined VS discussions by reducing them to psuedo mathematical cherry picking contests.

By the logic you are using we can say that either Arceus's Judgement is so weak that even a fish can survive it, or the world of pokemon is so strong that even the fish can survive the judgement of a creator god. It's all picking and choosing, it's boring and annoying.

>>57904705 (OP)
with feet

>>57904852
I just apply an equalizer policy. Champions are similar to the typical final evolution. Ultimates are psuedo legends or weaker legendaries. Megas are box legendary level, and stuff like Omnimon is Mega Rayquaza level.

>>57904705 (OP)
NUH-UH
UH-HUH

>>57904805
Not as strong as regular pokemon.

>>57904825
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6HvD7amj3-Q&pp=ygUSZ2F0b21vbiB2cyBncmV5bW9u

Oh it beating up bunch of Lower level Digimon that can't handle kick from a small cat same level as them. Am I supposed to be impressed?

>>57904802
Pokemon actual feats when you look at the anime and games as primary source really aren't that grand compared to a lot of other media franchises. Only ones that kind of get close are the legendaries and even then most of them are capable of being brought down by mundane means and at absolute most reach "mountain level".

Its why in every single powerscaling debate I have seen with pokemon people have to start bringing out pokedex entries, bring out spinoff material (personal favorite was trying to claim that pokemon don't get tired because in mystery dungeon you don't have PP), or have to do stuff like give Dialga and Celebi absolute Chronokinetic powers despite both being portrayed as having clear limits and imprecisions in what they can actually do. Also stuff like pretending Earthquake is an actual full scale earthquake with the power of such and not a localized effect.

>>57904852
>Digimon have much greater jumps in power from Digivolving
That's because Digimon are very weak from birth so their evolution to champion make it look like they has greater jump in power. But you ever compared the power of champions/ultimate/mega Digimon with regular Pokémon than you would have noticed that many Pokémon are already stronger than them without evolving. Pokémon has greater jump in power from birth and they kept getting strong faster without evolution. Not to mention many attacks that a Digimon can only learn from Digivolution, an unevolved pokemon can learn them without evolving.

Truth is that a Digimon needs six evolution just to reach the level of regular pokemon.

>Mega Digimon wins against a Mega Pokémon
Ash's Lucario can use gaia forced sized Aura Sphere without going Mega. A Pokémon doesn't need mega evolution to defeat a mega level Digimon.

>>57906237
>have to do stuff like give Dialga and Celebi absolute Chronokinetic powers despite both being portrayed as having clear limits and imprecisions in what they can actually do
More like they are disinterested in doing anything unlike Digimon who wants to cover the world in darkness because they has nothing better to do

>>57906237
>even then most of them are capable of being brought down by mundane means and at absolute most reach "mountain level
The same apply to Digimon as well. Digimon greatest feat so far is weakening the barrier between human & digital world to fuse them which they only accomplished though prep and various hex rather than their own power and it only put them planetary surface level like Groudon and Kyugre.

Pokémon power level in fiction has gone beyond planetary and reached cosmic level to the point Digimon fans often tries to insist Digital world to be an universe even though the actual franchise insists Digital world to be a layer of earth comparable with Human world which is Earth since Human haven't reached other planets or solar system.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Arceus the god of Pokemon get captured by quick drying cement in one of the movies?

Also, Digimon can evolve at any time and the Chrome Digizoid Etemon is basically indestructible and would solo the entire Pokemon roster.

>>57906286
>the Chrome Digizoid Etemon is basically indestructible
Yes but OP didn't ask about that one.

>>57906287
Even regular Etemon would punt Pikachu into another zip code

Als I have a theory that the Pokedex is full of BS to keep the kids entertained. If it were true then releasing Magcargo from a pokeball would be like that playground scene from Terminator 2 when the nukes fell lol

>>57906292
I know, I was just pointing out that it's pointless to allow evolutions because then it's no longer about comparing the 'mon in the image (specially in Digimon's case because a sufficiently trained digimon can basically just turn into any other digimon).

>>57906286
>, but didn't Arceus the god of Pokemon get captured by quick drying cement in one of the movies?
And Lucemon got curbstommped by Shoutamon X5 , your point? Digimon gets nerf in various series like Pokémon.

>>57906287
Maybe against other Digimon but Steel type Pokémon shown to be more durable than Chrome Digizoid Digimon.

>>57906292
>Als I have a theory that the Pokedex is full of BS to keep the kids entertained
The same logic applies to Digimon profiles entry. At least Pokedex included things that is possible and often proven in the show but Digimon Profiles entry wrote so many ridiculous things that even the anime and manga does not know how to implement them.

>>57906292
Personally I actually think Macargo's dex entry might be just a typo, as 1,800 degrees fahrenheit is actually a completely reasonable average temperature for lava/magma which other entries compare its body to. Of course it can also be the dex writers not understanding just how hot 18,000 degrees is or just picking an arbitarily large number.

Also it would cause an explosion on being sent out as the ground wouldn't just melt but fully vaporize at that temperature. The force of which would instantly kill it as its other dex entry everyone ignores states that its shell is super brittle and falls apart at the lightest touch.

>>57906228
I know you are that insane idiot that always shows up to shit up these threads with your inanity but it has to be said that it's simply stupid to claim that was the point of this scene when it is obvious to everyone what is really happening: it's a typical job/worf moment, meant to show that this small cat is incredibly strong.

>>57906325
Tailmon is adult level just like all the ones being kicked. The size of a Digimon doesn't matter at all. Togemon becomes Lillymon who is about the size of Tailmon even though she is. . .whatever it is above Adult level. Palmon becomes Angemon who is adult level. Tailmon become Angemon who is a level above Ange. That is why Ange becomes MegaAngemon but there is no MegaAngewomon. Womon becomes, I think Silphymon while MegaAnge becomes a similar dragon thing

>>57906325
>this small cat is incredibly strong.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/a3jEEKA5WwA

Not as nearly strong as that small rat with several better feats. Pikachu speed, strength and destructive feat are way higher than Gatomon.

In fact this gif that you posted is the only good feats Gatomon ever had.

>>57904705 (OP)
Maxed out light ball pikachu with carefully crafted evs to purely nuke that thing into dust while being bulky enough to survive a mixed attacker? Yes, easy. Evolite is also plausible, and might be better.

>>57906435
That overdoing it since regular Pikachu's speed, durability and attack power is greater than both Etemon and Metaletemon.
Etemon major feat was beating up lower level Digimon that supposed to be weaker than him. Not to mention those champion level Digimon were inexperienced & relied on juiced up energy from the Digivice. Even Tai's Greymon got beaten to a pulp by a wild savaged Greymon.

>>57906321
I know it's a level above etemon but we do have imperialdramon destroying dark towers all over Japan in seconds with his positron lasers(Spammable by the way as he three at a tim and moving across the entire planet in minutes he then transforms into fighter mode and gets 3x stronger.. No pokemon even comes close to that in terms of speed. As for Physical strength.
Greymon is strong enough to just straight up throw shellmon up into the air
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nXR33NMi26E
Here's proof that digimon are indeed heavy notice how metalgreymon's raw weight actually damages the steel they're fighting on.
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=OIQsnc-enO0
Etemon literally sends Regular Greymon flying with a punch to show the physical disparity between the two
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k090vSZGpIk
Megaseadramon literally splits the rainbow bridge in two.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=d_1jHTvmeQQ

>>57906643
>etemon but we do have imperialdramon destroying dark towers all over Japan in seconds with his positron lasers(
And how does that relatable to Pikachu's fight with Etemon?

>moving across the entire planet in minutes
Do you have a timetable that showed it moving around the world in minutes? By that logic I can say postman Dragonite flew all the way from Paldea (spain) to Kanto (Japan) within minute.

>Greymon is strong enough to just straight up throw shellmon up into the air
You mean it lifted somebody same sized as him ?
Brock's Happiny lifted an entire frozen lake which is greater than any form of Greymon.
>Here's proof that digimon are indeed heavy notice how metalgreymon's raw weight actually damages the steel they're fighting on
That's the most normal thing you can expect from a dinosaur with a metal arm. The fact that Metalgreymon could stand there without breaking the roof shows his is relatively light for its size.

>Etemon literally sends Regular Greymon flying with a punch to show the physical disparity between the two
So did a Gatomon who happens to be a small cat same level as Greymon. Etemon punched a champion level Digimon that supposed to be weaker than him.

>Megaseadramon literally splits the rainbow bridge in two.
Even Gyarados can destroy a bridge so your point?

>Another thread of Isdra misinterpreting and strawmaning arguments
You would think that this retard would revalue his priorities after becoming homeless but ffs, the schizo continues his nonsense by leeching off the public wifi.

>>57906677
No but I have an actual quote from gennai saying Imperialdramon takes less than 30 minutes to travel from Japan to Hong Kong, Paris, Moscow, Sydney, Mexico(They didn't give a specific location and New york all of that within less than a 30 minute timeframe, Meanwhile dragonite is said to circle the globe in 16 hours Though to be completely fair comparing dragonite to an Ultimate level digimon is unfair considering how powerful Ultimate level digimon are. You could argue Imperialdramon Dragon mode is actually weak for an ultimate considering he has a transformation called Fighter mode.

>>57904705 (OP)
Thanks for unlocking my childhood trauma.

I never saw that monke Robbie Williams biography movie because he reminded me of Etemon.

>>57906793
Thank you for reminding me that it exists.

>>57904705 (OP)
No, but a raichu might.

>>57906700
We already seen Dragonite travelling the between Paldea, Galar, Kalo Hoenn to reach Hoenn within minute since those kids obviously not sitting on a Dragonite back for an hour.
Also this is Dragonair >>57906224 who happens to be the pre-evolution of Dragonite nuke a city which is far bigger feat than Imperidramon.

But you are right that Imperidramon is not a regular Digimon but a legendary jogress Digimon so we should compare him to actual legendary pokémon likes Rayquaza. In that case, Rayquaza managed to reach any part of Pokémon world instantly and its feat of evaporating a moon sized Asteroid on Mystery Dungeon is bigger feat than anything a Digimon ever pulled.

>>57906979
>Dragonite feat
Oh but we need a timeframe for this feat. Not your headcanon.

>>57906793
They made a movie about the life of the actor Robin Williams?

>>57904705 (OP)
Etemon is actually the partner of an OC I made once.

He's a clone of another OC of mine, who is just a self insert of me but I know kung fu. He's jaded about being a clone and decides to be evil, but he's not very good at being evil. So he mostly just puts on disruptive rock shows with Etemon. Eventually he sees growing resentment among the digimon populace against humanity and disguises himself as an evil overlord by pretending to be a Demon. He rallies a large anti-human army of digimon who support him, but doesn't intend for them to actually fight humans and more so to be a digital world defense force incase humans attempt to invade.

>>57907210
>Robbie

>>57904705 (OP)
Normal Etemon? Maybe, but not really.
Etemon (Chaos)? Lol nope!
MetalEtemon? Even larger nope.
We don't speak about KingEtemon from Digimon Tri stage play.

>>57907441
That's some ultiamte level autism anon

>>57907441
Based OC fag. It may be autism, but it's an autism well used.

>>57909157
>>57909161
Thanks. This was all when I was a teenager, this was all in a forum RP nearly two decades ago.

I miss you JZ's Lab. You were a pretty fucked up placed for a teenager to emotionally develop.

>>57906241
metal greymon has tactical nukes in its chest. At best the majority of fully evolved pokemon can take on champion level digimon. However only legendaries can take on ultimate/perfect level digimon. Mega level digimon are impossible to beat by pokemon and don't get me started with the Burst level.

>>57909127
That's what I said, Robin Williams, the actor.

>>57909315
>metal greymon has tactical nukes in its chest
And this is >>57906224 Dragonair actually nuking a city who is neither a legendary or fully evolved pokemon. I would rather take an actual feat that the characters accomplished over an unreliable profile entry. In fact Dragonair feat here along is far greater than Dynusmon on Cross War. At the end regular pokemon far stronger than Digimon to the point a Digimon need seven evolution to keep up with a regular pokemon.

You should learn about Digimon before calling yourself Digi-researcher.

>>57906224
PokéSpe is literal fanfic.
Just look at the black Tyranitar and Yellow's retarded powers.

>>57910127
It's like bringing up TWOH as a feat for DIO. That shit is not part of the main series.

>>57910127
>>57910128
Oh you are saying that an actual feat that Pokémon accomplished doesn't count but a profile entry about Digimon that never been confirmed is supposed to count.

That is called hypocrisy.

>>57910173
You're one to talk Isdra. You still refuse to admit that Marowak was killed by a guy with a stick because it was offscreen, but claim that Dragonite killed a lot of people despite Lance saying himself that everybody was safe, you also claimed a lot of other offsceen deaths. You continue to claim that Brock's Happiny was a common Happiny and that each of them are able to lift a frozen lake but always dodge explaining this video where he is shown to be way stronger than Dawn's Piplup, despite Piplup having better stats than common Happiny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36BqcGQc_GM

Etemon is a level 5 in the TCG, so the same level as Globemon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjjBYSzsgNQ
Your Dragonite can't do shit against that even with his speed and Globemon can still evolve and be 5 times stronger.

>its another 'anons get baited into nonsense power scaling arguements' episode

>>57910116
Apocalymon has a attack that can wipe out both the digi world and human world. It was stopped by the power of the 8 digidestins, that same power is used to digivolve their digimon.
that was in the anime btw episode 54 of the first season if your curious.

>>57910243
>You still refuse to admit that Marowak was killed by a guy with a stick because it was offscreen,
Do you want me to believe a pokemon that is immune from Electricity got killed by an electric stick ? Show me the scene of him actually getting killed by that stick before shoving your assumption.

>but claim that Dragonite killed a lot of people despite Lance saying himself that everybody was safe, you also claimed a lot of other offsceen deaths.
Lance on Pokespe was a psycopath who wanted to erase humanity, do you think he cared if anybody lived or die?
Digimon has invade human world in so many series yet did any human ever been confirmed death from their invasion?

>You continue to claim that Brock's Happiny was a common Happiny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=80BZDdh6_j4&t=8s
We have seen a chancy casually lifting a Police Station long before Happiny was a thing, The entire Chancy line is shown to be crazy strong.

Also I can use the same logic and insist that none of the digidestined Digimon feats counts because those are special and more powerful than rest of their species since they were programmed to fight evil. After all, have we seen any Angemon that is actually strong and not jobber excpet for TK's Angemon?

>Etemon is a level 5 in the TCG, so the same level as Globemon

A. Globemon is not a Digimon, its an Appmon
B. Your TCG logic does not mean a squat. Etemon was an ultimate level Digimon beating up inexperienced Champion level Digimon, that was its feat.

>>57910453
>Apocalymon has a attack that can wipe out both the digi world and human world
You mean he boasted about having a self destruct attack which did nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1867VhLiXU
Even Gardevoir can make a Black Hole and suck up that attack.

>>57910505
>Even Gardevoir can make a Black Hole and suck up that attack.

the same mon strongest version that we know of ie kalos champion Diantha's mega gardevoir:

Almost beaten by Ash's greninja not using its full power and only won because ash & greninja colapse do to their bond not being in sync.

got beaten by Galar champion Leon's gmax Charizard in a blast struggle even though Gardevoir mega evolved.

Where was that black hole then??
Buddy even you don't believe gardevoir could suck up Apocalymon's attack.

>>57910661
>Almost beaten by Ash's greninja not using its full power and only won because ash & greninja colapse do to their bond not being in sync.
Please , that would mean XY Ash was champion tier which wasn't true. Diantha held back to test Ash-Greninja strength which is why she did not use Fairy type move whn Greninja transform >>57910661
>got beaten by Galar champion Leon's gmax Charizard in a blast struggle even though Gardevoir mega evolved.
>Where was that black hole then??
Dude she was trying to win a fight, not kill everybody.

>>57910661
>Almost beaten by Ash's greninja not using its full power and only won because ash & greninja colapse do to their bond not being in sync.
Please , that would mean XY Ash was champion tier which wasn't true. Diantha held back to test Ash-Greninja strength which is why she did not use Fairy type move whn Greninja transform
>got beaten by Galar champion Leon's gmax Charizard in a blast struggle even though Gardevoir mega evolved.
>Where was that black hole then??
Dude she was trying to win a fight, not kill everybody.

>>57910505
Gardevoir is a potential man. Zero indication its as strong as a real black hole because the planet wouldn't exist by now.

>>57910708
>Dude she was trying to win a fight, not kill everybody.

Either gardevoir's black hole is not that strong since the clip that anon >>57910505 showed that it only sucked up prof.Oak and not rotom or the area and light around it since black holes tend to suck up light.
and didn't kill prof.Oak btw
or
its a psychic controlled black hole that lets gardevoir suck up pointed objects or energy.

if its the first then gardevoir's blackhole is not strong enough to stop Apocalymon's attack.

if its the second then gardevoir its self is not strong enough to stop Apocalymon's attack by the simple fact that the strongest Gardevoir that is currently known that is kalos champion Diantha's mega gardevoir didn't use it to stop Galar champion Leon's gmax Charizard's attack.
so which is it?

>>57910772
>>57910772
>>57910772

>that it only sucked up prof.Oak
Because gardevoir shut it down before its sucks the whole planet,
>by the simple fact that the strongest Gardevoir that is currently known that is kalos champion Diantha's mega gardevoir didn't use it to stop Galar champion Leon's gmax Charizard's attack.
Because Diantha command Gardevoir to use Psychic instead of opening a black hole and risking everybody's life.

etemon is an ultimate stage digital munster, which is a higher level than any pokemon could be because pokemon only has three stage lines

>>57910824
>Because gardevoir shut it down before its sucks the whole planet

>Because Diantha command Gardevoir to use Psychic instead of opening a black hole and risking everybody's life.


Still didn't kill oak nor suck up rotom

so my point still stands.

>>57910837
A pokemon is three stage above Digmon from a moment they are hatched from their egg and on average they are as strong or stronger than Mega level Digimon. A Digimon need to Digivolve all the way to Ultimate or Mega just to compete with a regular Pokemon,

After all Pikachu's Speed, destructive power & force of attack are way higher than both Etemon & MetalEtemon, The only reason you still insist Etemon to win because its a Digimon and nothing else. Hack you Digifags thinks that Omegamon can defeat Goku Black.

>>57910870
erm, no

>>57910505
It's not even a proper black hole. At best, it's similar to Heaven's Gate from Holy Angemon. They just called it black hole because they are targeting kids so they put those chuunibyou bullshit. "Alakazam has an IQ of 5000" even if it can be beaten by a Slowpoke, "Magcargo has a temperature of 18,000 degree F" but manage to not burn anything around nor suffocate anybody etc.
Even Prof Westwood V admitted putting bullshit in the Pokedex
Digimon being from a multiverse, made out of data, anything is possible. There are 4 actions in data: create, read, update, delete. Some Digimon can to one or several of these actions.
Create -> Pumpmon can create pumpkin out of nowhere
Read -> Fujitsumon can read the future
Update -> Jesmon X can rewrites its own data to perform actions that transcend the laws of nature
Delete -> Omegamon X can use All Delete
And while you could think that our world can manipulate data and that it has no effect on our world, it's actually the reverse, Digital World can directly affect our world. There is no way to create anything with nothing. Antoine Lavoisier, one of the most important chemist in history, said it "In nature nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything changes." but Pumpmon can create a giant Pumpkin in the Real World, Fujitsumon can read the future of the Real World, Asuramon can update humans by erasing their faces while still maintaining them alive, in Savers, Dukemon was able, not to destroy, but to delete buildings. Real World is just a mere layer. The only limit to Digimon is that they don't necessarily exist (you don't have an Apocalymon lazing around while Lucemon absorb the Digital World before trying to attack the real one), but because of that, it's easy for Digimon to create power creep who just appear at the end before being beaten by the heroes using a new evolution or a Deus Ex Machina.
Arceus can be beaten by a kid alone and Rayquaza wasn't able to kill Zinnia when attacking her

For me it's Pomumon. Funny little fruit fella thinks its a bird.

>>57910837
>>57910837
Specifically, Etemon is the secret strongest form of his original V-pet that you get from taking the worst form and raising it properly.

Not that it matters much, power level scaling is the NPC version of actual vs battle type discussion. I just like Etemon.

>>57910889
>Looks like a fruit
>Thinks its a bird
>Is actually a dinosaur

It's got layers.

>>57910883
So, to continue, because you can simulate anything with data (Universe Sandbox is able to simulate the effect of an object moving above the speed of light), anything in the Reference Book is possible in terms of data, but because data is above atoms, and that Digimon can do the same thing in the Real World and Digital World, things like All Delete is possible, going above the speed of light is possible, basically anything is possible.

>>57910903
It's actually a fruit.

>>57910883
>They just called it black hole because they are targeting kids so they put those chuunibyou bullshit.
Oh I guess MetalGreymon having nuke on its chest is not chuunibyou, huh.
Truth is that Pokedex are more grounded and often confirmed in the anime and manga because it written by people with actual brain. Marcargo's body temperature is 18000? Well
Gas flowing through a typical power plant turbine can be as hot as 2300 degrees F,
>>57910883
>Digimon being from a multivers
Are you new to Pokemon because they also introduce Multiverse in their show with many pokemon that came from other dimension. Digimon are from another layer of Earth within its Cyberverse. since they are made of data means all of them share the same weakness and can be manipulated by people with programming knowledge.
>Create -> Pumpmon can create pumpkin out of nowhere
And Quilladin can tree trunks so your point?
>Read -> Fujitsumon can read the future
Gothitelle & almost every Psychic pokemon has this ability.
>>57910883
>Update -> Jesmon X can rewrites its own data to perform actions that transcend the laws of nature
Oh its need to rewrite its own data to use Acrobatics , am I suppose to be impress?
>>57910883
>Delete -> Omegamon X can use All Delete
Manga confirm it does not affect non-digimon , it could not even delete Yggrasill and only reset him.

>Digital World can directly affect our world.

Only when the barrier between both world weaken and they starts to merge. It can not anything outside of that.

>Real World is just a mere layer.

You truly are an uneducated fanboy who knows nothing and is salty about Pokemon's superiority over Digimon.

Real World aka Human world is the real deal. Everything in Digital World exists because of human world. It was already confirmed on Digimon Adventure, Survive, Cross War manga that Digimon World is influenced by human world. In fact, Digimon are nothing more than manifestation of human thought on Digital form.This is why Survive need five human sacrifice for Digimon to exists because they need human thought to exist. Everything in Digital World exists because of human, their imagination , their thought and their influence in the real world.

Digital World is not an universe, its just a small dimension born due to human dream influencing the data from digital network all over earth. We already seen the dream dimension at the end of Adventure 02 when Myotismon got his body back. Human World & Digital World always been Earth and not the universe.

>>57910883
>Real World is just a mere layer.

You truly are an uneducated fanboy who knows nothing and is salty about Pokemon's superiority over Digimon.

Real World aka Human world is the real deal. Everything in Digital World exists because of human world. It was already confirmed on Digimon Adventure, Survive, Cross War manga that Digimon World is influenced by human world. In fact, Digimon are nothing more than manifestation of human thought on Digital form.This is why Survive need five human sacrifice for Digimon to exists because they need human thought to exist. Everything in Digital World exists because of human, their imagination , their thought and their influence in the real world.

Digital World is not an universe, its just a small dimension born due to human dream influencing the data from digital network all over earth. We already seen the dream dimension at the end of Adventure 02 when Myotismon got his body back. Human World & Digital World always been Earth and not the universe.

>>57910894
its was an interesting system
if you do everything perfectly from the start all the way through, you get the canon ultimate
you make a mistake at any step and you end up with the weakest ultimate, and orb
but if you mess up the worst possible way halfway through and then turn it around and ace the challenges with the weakest poop monster you get the secret goofy strongest ultimate

etemon straight up tanks a pyramid collapsing on him

>>57911058
And Pikachu survive the explosion of Viridian city Pokemon center on episode 02 so your point?

> Pokemon x Digimon crossover climax
> Ash use 10 million volt Thunderbolt against the final villain.
> Digidestined send their energy from their Digivice to Ash's Z-power Ring to turn it into 10 billion volt Thunderbolt.
> The main villain " It can't be happening, I can not be defeated, no like this, not by a stinking rat"

This is kino writing and you know it.

>>57911118
Are you seriously comparing a building to a pyramid. I'll be generous and use a skyscraper which weighs around 10,000 to 20,000 tons... The pyramid of Giza weighs 5.75 million tons. A wholly different ballpark in terms of weight.

>>57910920
This is 2025, we call them homosexuals now.

>>57911132
>Are you seriously comparing a building to a pyramid
Yes, I am insisting than tanking an EXPLODING building is tougher than a Pyramid falling on you.

>>57911155
It's not, The raw weight difference alone makes it less impressive.

>>57904705 (OP)
Yes

>>57905014
Makes sense with how rare Ultimates are described to be and the most powerful ones feel like they're something that should only have one of each existing at the same time, kind of like legendary Pokemon.

>>57905014
More downplay
Mega & Ultimate level Digimon are on average as strong as regular Pokemon as we seen with Dragonair nuking city or Gardevoir making Black hole. Sub-Legendary Pokemon are way stronger than Mega level Digimon and they need to reach Super Ultimate to compete with them.

Trying to compare Pokemon & Digimon with evolution is stupid because some pokemon does not even evolve or has only one evolution.

>>57913019
The Digimon side only won in that Death Battle episode because they so heavily nerfed and misrepresented the Pokémon side. There was so many things wrong, it's really laughable. There's plenty of ways the Pokémon side could have won.

>>57913614
>Dragonair nuking city or Gardevoir making Black hole
sounds fake and even then still weak compared to the stronger Digimon

>>57913761
Dragonair is just a regular pokemon and not even fully evolved yet it has fire power far greater than Mega Level Pokemon. Stronger Digimon does not even reach Stronger pokemon.

After all, if every mega level Digimon could nuke cities and destroy planet than the villain would not needed to go though so much prep for their evil plan. A writer can make his fictional character as strong as they want but that does not mean he can turn everybody into planet buster, smart people maintain a balance in Power scale, Pokemon & Digimon done it as well but Digifags overexaggerate everything.

>>57913788
>Dragonair is just a regular pokemon and not even fully evolved yet it has fire power far greater than Mega Level Pokemon.
Handpicking a early episode while dismissing later entries to declare a species as the strongest by treating the exception as the status quo is a shallow deflection and says volumes about your ability to accurately assess the capabilities of Pokemon. Consider your rant discarded ESLtard

>>57913796
Dragonair's ability to nuke already proven on >>57906224. If you actually bother to look at Pokemon feats than you would have seen Pokemon scale were higher than Digimon since Generation 4.
>Consider your rant discarded ESLtard
Aren't you the horizonfag from /padt/? I should have known fans of Horizon weren't real pokemon fans to begin with.

>>57913811
That you pointedly ignore the early part while tryin to throw a unrelated general or group of posters under the train says enough about your reading comprehension. Again, your rant is discarded since you refuse to be coherent in the argument, dumbass.

>>57913614
Do you understand what 'equal' means? That I have a policy of making them equal because that's more fun? I'm not doing your power wank jerk off stuff.

>>57913614
You're the one downplaying Digimon. Dragonite only destroyed a few buildings. According to the picture, it was something like 20 buildings.
Several Digimons showed far greater range.
Then you also have Globemon, even if, despite fighting alongside and against other Digimons, appearing in the same card game, being called a new type of of Digimon (or a new unknown type of Digimon in Liberator), like the X-Antibody were before (and you never had any problem with X-Antibodies), appearing in the 20th and 25th Digimon anniversary projects and other artworks alongside the other series, you still refuse to acknowledge any similarities and equivalence of power between Digimon and Appmon because you still cannot downplay Globemon

>Loses the argument
>immediately screams for Horizonsfags not being Pokemon fans despite their anime not being brought up at all ITT
Am I missing something or is that thirdie a fucking lolcow whose life revolves around degrading others and failing at making /vp/ his safespace?

>>57913824
>Do you understand what 'equal' means?
You basically claiming all Mega Level Digimon equal to box legendary which is stupid and a direct downplay. At best Mega Evolved Digimon should equal to fully evolved pokemon since it supposed to be their last evolutionary stage while Super Ultimate equal to Mega evolved pokemon or G-max pokemon,

>>57913822
Dude you & OP made a Digimon thread on a Pokemon board to downplay pokemon and you think ether one of you have any right to criticize me.

>>57913850
>A thread asking a question is downplaying something
Just stop being retarded.

>>57913845
Fully evolved Pokemon can't do shit in the anime.
Even Suicune was easily taken down by humans

>>57913845
Are you even reading what I'm writing? Why are you insisting about arguing with me when I'm not even having the same kind of discussion you are? Do you comprehend that?

>>57913832
It is your first time knowing about nuke ? The energy that require for this destruction is far greater than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Even the attack Dynasmon used against zeedmillenniumon only release temperature of a core of a star while Little Boy release temperature 4 or 5 greater than a star which mean this Dragonair hyper beam was stronger than Dynasmon who has the most destructive power among Royal Knight.

>>57913863
Oh you mean the time a kid called Neo Saiba was wiping Mega Digimon on V-tamers.

>>57913877
Hiroshima destroyed everything in a radius of 1.6km. The radius in the picture is not even 100m. The radius of Zeed's cannons are greater than that. Dynasmon attack on New York was greater than that. Shinegreymon Ruin Mode had a greater range than that

>>57913887
What does this have to do with anything? Saiba didn't wipe or catch Digimon by himself with a rope and a net. You still refuse to consider the properties of each digivice because you prefer to think kids don't have to rely on them to achieve what they achieve.
You claimed that a Mega Digimon should at best equal a fully evolved Pokemon. Pangoro is a fully evolved Pokemon and can't free himself from a rope and an empty tree. Digimon are not that weak

>>57913845
Poor G-max Pokemon, Super Ultimates would roflstomp them kek
And no, Mega/Ultimate Digimon are said to be super rare that not many Digimon even get to, it's not supposed to be a typical final stage either. It didn't even exist at the beginning.
So it is accurate to compare them to legendary Pokemon.

>>57913919
Just by comparing size of those building, its painfully obvious that dragonair hyper destroyed more than 1.6km. There was no crater from Dynasmon attack and most building was doing just fine .

>>57913976
>Saiba didn't wipe or catch Digimon by himself with a rope and a net.
He did something worst, he turned mega level digimon like Piedmon into food to feed his partner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W1kQjrrqFY
The Pangoro you mentioned send Team Rocket Trio flying after regaining its fighting spirit.

>>57913998
>Poor G-max Pokemon
Unless they take on G-max pokemon from Max raid that has no rescritiction..
>And no, Mega/Ultimate Digimon are said to be super rare that not many Digimon even get to,

Nope since its the highest level of evolutionary stage a Digimon can reach and every species of Digimon has a Mega stage but every pokemon does not have a third evolution or Mega Evolution which makes them more rare and special than Mega Evolved pokemon.

>>57913998

>Poor G-max Pokemon
Unless they take on G-max pokemon from Max raid that has no rescritiction..
>And no, Mega/Ultimate Digimon are said to be super rare that not many Digimon even get to,

Nope since its the highest level of evolutionary stage a Digimon can reach naturally and every species of Digimon has a Mega stage but every pokemon does not have a third evolution or Mega Evolution which makes them more rare and special than Mega Evolved pokemon.

>>57913998

>Poor G-max Pokemon
Unless they take on G-max pokemon from Max raid that has no rescritiction..
>And no, Mega/Ultimate Digimon are said to be super rare that not many Digimon even get to,

Nope since its the highest level of evolutionary stage a Digimon can reach naturally and every species of Digimon has a Mega stage but every pokemon does not have a third evolution or Mega Evolution which makes them more rare and special than Mega Evolved digimon

>>57914127
Here's what the first perfect level introduced in the v-tamer manga was capable of.

>>57914316
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jhS7himcGnk&t=5s&pp=ygUqQWR2YW5jZWQncyAxOHRoIGVwaXNvZGUgaW4gYWJvdXQgMyBtaW51dGVz
Even freaking Pikachu accomplish that

>>57914152
>no restriction
Doesn't matter, they would still get roflstomped, Super Ultimates have true no restrictions
>every species has a Mega state
Doesn't matter. Even if it's a natural mega, made for that species/line, it's not something most Digimon would reach. Every Pokemon that has a third stage or Mega can easily become it, so it's actually less rare and special. Nothing stopping a 100 Mega Lucarios from running about.

>>57914578
>they would still get roflstomped
Considering how powerful G-max Charizard was in the Twilight Wings, I disagree.
>>57914578
>ven if it's a natural mega, made for that species/line, it's not something most Digimon would reach
Headcanon, many Digimon able to reach their mega level even without a Digivice. Frontier even had a Dukemon casually talking to Zoe. Not to mention Xros War was filled with Mega level Digimon.

>>57910982
>You truly are an uneducated fanboy who knows nothing and is salty about Pokemon's superiority over Digimon.
The irony eludes you.

>ZeedMillenniumon appears
>It's the size of fucking Texas, you can see it from space
>Its mere existence rewrites maps and threatens the fabric of reality

Even regular Millenniumon is insane.
>WarGreymon (Adventure:) is around the size of a 10 story apartment building, Taichi stands on its shoulder
>Compared to Millenniumon, it's the size of the tip of its toe talon, Millenniumon is the size of a huge mountain and requires divine intervention from two holy Digimon of the same size
>ZeedMillennium utterly dwarfs even them
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/156162

>>57915261
Yeah. I stopped answering to people of bad faith. The only time Digimon were human made were at the very beginning of the franchise when it was only a toy without the lore around and in Tamers where they became sentient and continue to grow independently in a parallel universe, so only the origin is human made, Digital World became its own dimension afterwards.
For Aventure, Kakudou explained in an interview that they either came for outer space. Because, something with so much power as the Dark Masters came either from space or gods but were always there.
In Survive, Habu said to have use the idea of Kakudou and that Digimon and humans grew independently but Digimon always existed. Humans made sacrifices because they worshipped them. It makes no sense to sacrifice humans if this make Kemonogami disappear, and the sacrifices stopped for centuries without them disappearing.
In Xros Wars, the whole real universe is just a mere zone included in the Digital World that even received its own Code Crown.

But don't expect Isdra to accept any of that. He's the guy who will downplay Xros Wars Quartzmon because he took his time to become stronger. It would be like me saying "Ok Dragonite destroyed a few buildings but he needed to evolve 2 times and train before being able to do that. Not impressive"

>>57915391
I don't remember Kakudou saying Digimon came from outer space. I remember him saying that Yamato being an astronaut was a remnant of a Digimon Adventure 03 premise where some Digimon data came from space and Yamato was sent to investigate, but 02 established that Digimon are more or less youkai manifested through computers in the modern digital age, and that Digimon with human partners are like extensions/reflections of that human's soul.

>>57915358
Again, he will just say that Taichi survived an attack but Zeed, refusing to accept that the Digivice: give the kid a shield and will explained Takeru and Koushirou and the others being able to sustain centrifugal force and high speed
https://youtu.be/Elmqc6rwR5k?si=AWmDauK60gSWzFJu&t=81
https://youtu.be/kNc3m8CQNPk?si=6xoQjXhxquRgb6LI&t=203
as just animators mistakes instead of them being protected

>>57915421
>>I'd like to go over a few other characters as well.

Shortly because all humans had partner and there were troubles that were settled, research was done to find out what caused this to happen. Of course, Koushiro is one of them. More was learned about evolution, and it was clear there were forces trying to prevent evolution. For example, this is why the Dark Masters has unusually strong powers, and he believes this came up in the novel version of Digimon Adventure. So where does the power that obstructs evolution come from? Apparently, it is extraterrestrial in origin. So to find out the cause, the moon must be searched, and Yamato and Gabumon are chosen. Unlike a normal investigation, no one knows what kind of danger these evolution-inhibiting forces will pose.
https://withthewill.net/threads/director-kakudou-gives-detailed-digimon-adventure-02-epilogue-background-lore-information-updated-w-more.30251/

>>57915436
I don't think Kakudou is saying that Digimon came from outer space, but that whatever empowered the Dark Masters (what Adventure keeps vaguely referring to as distortions) did. Maybe it would have tied to Apocalymon since I remember them saying it was the source of the distortions, and that it represented the negation of evolution, what was "left behind" or whatever. Adventure has carrot-on-a-stick writing from arc to arc, they usually didn't think of what the next arc would be until it became necessary.

>>57915421
>manifested through computers
This has never been true in the Adventure universe. It fundamentally makes no sense, computers don't magically make things happen - even at the end of Tamers it was implied everything was caused by an eldritch power that somehow got connected to the Internet (i.e. Azathoth wanted to check its e-mail and made it everyone's problem).

Adventure draws heavily from Gnostic beliefs or/and Lovecraft Mythology, probably for convenience. The Digital World is a "dimension" next to ours that lacks the same principles/laws, which gives the matter/energy of that dimension an affinity for the concepts/ideas found in ours. Because electronics can store and process great amounts of information, these greatly influence the DigiWorld, which is now mostly a manifestation of data found in computers and the Internet.

TL;DR: digimon are energy beings from another dimension.

>>57915460
>the negation of evolution
That is a principle found in the Dark Ocean, the dimension ruled by Dagomon and the source of the Dark Towers. One of the coolest moments in 02 is when Gatomon not only evolved into Angewomon by herself but also broke the anti-evolution laws of that world when she did.

I suppose Kakudou wanted do more with the Dark Ocean and all the lovecrafty stuff it involved. It's easy to assume "cosmic horror" means "it came from outer space" but it's really more about stuff that can affect reality- hence why it is the ultimate existential threat.

>>57915358
Even with that size , its powers were nowhere near Mystery Dungeon Rayquaza that evaporated a moon sized Asteroid.

>>57915391
>Digital World became its own dimension afterwards
It was always a part of Earth's cyberspace.

>Kakudou explained in an interview that they either came for outer space
Nope
He wanted throw all logic and science to turn Digimon into magic, he basically wanted Digimon to be Pokémon. No wonder his idea was rejected, just like Shudo idea for Pokémon being alien was rejected.

>In Xros Wars, the whole real universe is just a mere zone included in the Digital World that even received its own Code Crown
I am sick of this uneducated moron keeps spreading this misinformation everywhere.
Listen you idiot, Wizardmon theorise that Human world's structure to be similar to Digital world which allows X-loader to mistake human world for Digital world. He also goes on about everything in Digital world is influenced by the human world.

Later Baguramon reveal that everything in Digital world and Digimon ability to evolve comes from Human dream and since Human stopped dreaming so it caused Digimon to lose their ability to evolve.

Human World was never a zone of the Digital world, its the real deal while Digital world basically a counterfeit of human world born from digital data and human emotions.

You don't even read the manga abd try to understand what characters were saying. You read one pannel where Wizardmon says X-loader thinking Human World to be zone and made a headcanon. You still don't even know what Zones actually are despite it clearly mentioned to be area of Digital world that broke apart.

>>57904844
Ledyba would ass rape him

>>57915714
NTA but how can you not grasp the concept of each Digimon universe having its own rules and version of the Digimon World? Every element of the franchise shares ideas with the rest but that doesn't mean it can't reject them too.

>>57915760
>NTA but how can you not grasp the concept of each Digimon universe having its own rules and version of the Digimon World?
And all of them confirmed Digital world to be a counterfeit of human world which is Earth since human are still earthbound and we don't know what out there outside of our solar system.

>>57915956
>all of them confirmed Digital world to be a counterfeit of human world
No. Not even the one that ran with this idea, Ghost Game, could stick to it. In the end, the big bad came from outer space.

>>57916272
>>57916272
Please stop feeding the power level trolls. No amount of logic is ever going to convince anybody they are wrong. The annoyance of the pointless arguing is the point.

>>57916321
It's not a troll. You can only "pretend to be retarded" for so long.

>>57915692
Lucemon blew up three moons in Frontier, and he wasn't even at full power

>>57915692
Please give me a reference for the mystery dungeon asteroid being moon sized

>>57916328
The worst thing is that he's not even a kid in which case I wouldn't judge him as harshly. He's fucking 36 years old.

And that quite the achievement to even put your own community against you because of how stupid you are.

Even Sean (the guy who still to this day go nearly everyday on the Death Battle video to insult Digimon and its fans and then telling he's the victim and that Digimon fans are the bad ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSt0ZPAvI4
and who has multiple Reddit accounts, all banned from the power scaling subreddit) is better than Isdra. Sean is obsessed, stupid, with a lack of humanity (IIRC he was happy that the seiyuu of Taichi died), which are also Isdra's traits but Isdra's headcannons are so awful, it's laughable and would be concerning if there was somebody who cared for him.

>>57904805
>You know how strong etemon actually is?

Etemon is 20 grams in Digimon World. Whereas Pikachu is 6KG. Pikachu would send him flying in a single hit.

>>57916328
Unfortunately, as evidenced by this boards ability to spawn dedicated schizos, that is just not true. It doesn't matter whether he is sincere or just dedicated to the bit. The result is the same. You're getting dragged into a pointless argument where there is no winning. Be kind to yourself and just enjoy talking about digimon and ignore dumb shit the best you can.

>>57917061
Weight is just a condition in Digimon and only in Digimon World. They don't give a specific weight to Digimon anymore because it means nothing.
https://digimon.net/reference_en/detail.php?directory_name=etemon
Actually it never really meant shit. Happiness made your Digimon lives longer, discipline makes them obey you more, weight do nothing except unlocking evolutions. Botamon can either be 1g or 99g or even 999g in Next Order, be heavier than Mugendramon, but with no consequences, a liftable fruit creates a crater when falling down in 2020 but an non-liftable fridge 30s after did nearly nothing. In the Real World, Publimon created a crater by falling and HerakleKabuterimon by stepping on the ground. I don't have nearly null weight effect examples in my memory.
Even if you use the food, it means nothing. Kids and Digimon can eat the food from the Real and Digital World and they would still feel satiated either way without deficiency. They can bring the food from one world to the other without the food being altered or having different effect on them.
So I wouldn't use the weight argument. The weight is whatever seems fit. A pyramid have the weight of a pyramid, HerakleKabuterimon is heavy enough to break the ground. For the fruit/fridge stuff, there are no real explanation. You can imagine that the fruit's data properties make it able to create a crater by falling and not the fridge, but your guess should be as good as mine (I say should because if it's Isdra again, I fear something really stupid)

>>57904705 (OP)
>a monkey with a mic vs 10.000.000 volts discharge
i wonder who could win

>>57917159
Excuse me, he's a king. Uhuh.

>>57917159
Good point.