Does anyone still play this ugly browser game?

>>57909284 (OP)
>cheat extentions
Boooooooo! Vibe it out. Use your intuition to figure out what the moves and items opponent has. I beat you have the damage calc in another tab.

>>57909284 (OP)
Yup.

>>57909284 (OP)
>>57909289
There's something hilarious about the fact that a huge chunk of people unironically nolife random battles

>>57909289
>Vibe it out
No

>>57909284 (OP)
I actually got into it for the first time a month or two ago. Was fun to mess around with some of the gimmick modes, but it became apparent that a big part of the appeal is experimenting with team building. Wasn't really my thing. I would rather make choices in game over before the game, but it was too integral a part of the experience to effectively ignore so I dropped it.

>>57909289
Yeah that's really fucking lame. Damage calc is okay, you can't estimate or calculate that in real time. But grinding knowledge over time and the enemy team analysis is part of getting better at battles.
I stopped playing comp a long time ago but I had continued and learned people were using that shit I would stop.

>>57909284 (OP)
no, i have the app.

>>57909295
Im stuck in 1300s elo in gen 3 random battles and I've played over 400 battles

>>57909586
they should hold separate tournaments where you just rawdog everything

>>57909284 (OP)
>displays information you can't see in-game
>literally mods the game to add sleep clause, etc, instead of requiring the player to follow those rules themselves
>runs at a much faster speed, which affects your decision-making (this is well-studied in speed chess vs normal chess)
>in-game timer in gens before 6
>actual mechanics which dont function the same as on cart, probably lots of small nuances missing as showdown devs can't access the source code
>RNG does not work the same as in the games
>allows you to "cancel" your choice(s) for each turn, catering to indecisive trannies, another mechanic which isn't in the real games

>shows HP as percentages to simplify it for thirdies instead of the actual health point values

How do people call this fanfiction slop Pokemon? It doesn't accurately represent the real games at all. If you enjoy this crap browser monster battle simulator, play what you will but don't call it "Pokemon"

>>57909601
It isn't. It's actually fun.

>>57909601
>quality of life is LE BAD! don't you know that suffering builds character?
Cartcuck moment

Pokemon Showdown will be replaced by Champions soon enough.
Using your actual mons is the best experience.

>>57909629
randbats blitz on adderall with eurobeat in the background is the best experience

>>57909295
I did it to distract from terrible heartbreak.

>>57909593
400 battles is nothing and it takes weeks to months to get good at a metagame if you're good in the first place; if not you could be at it for a year and only make mid-ladder by that point

>>57909620
When you get spoonfeed too much information it stops being QoL and takes away from the knowledge and information management aspect of the game. Showdown has coddled you way too much if you think the real game is suffering, modern gens give you all the necessary information during battle.

>>57909586
>>57909289
Why? I don't get the problem. It's just free information that's available anyway. It's just faster than having to go check the smogon sets or random battle sets manually. Cuts out an artificial knowledge "gap" and makes it all about the actual strategic part of the game.
>grinding knowledge over time and the enemy team analysis is part of getting better at battles.
But that's also still part of it? It also depends on if you're talking about randbats (premade sets anyone can just look up) or OU (idk what extension this is but there's extension that just give you a list of the highest usage sets or sets listed on the smogon page)
You still have to figure out the off-meta sets, what set they're actually using depending on the rest of their team, stuff like that. There's no extension that's going to give you some crazy accurate set of the entire team.

>>57909636
I tried blitz once after getting tired of people who take a full minute to make every move and it was way the fuck too much for me

>>57909601
preach it

>>57909284 (OP)
Of course. Switch emulators can't connect to Nintendo's servers.

>>57909601
Besides Sleep Clause and Freeze Clause, and OtherMetas/Petmods, everything on Showdown can be replicated on cart.

>>57909601
>another mechanic which isn't in the real games
Only reason the games don't have a cancel button is you have to select a "fight" or "switch" button first. Showdownies made everything a mouseclick away so it's easier to fuck up and misclick.
That being said, if you're not waiting out the smogon timer til the last possible second you're opening yourself up to being easily cheated on.

>>57909295
I like typing in a random string of characters and playing randbats for an hour.

>>57910182
They don't have to. They all have LAN mode to spoof online play.

>>57910351
>Only reason the games don't have a cancel button is <another way cart is different fromthe fangame>

>>57909601
>>57910439
>all of this
>and yet Smoggies are utterly terrified of Item Clause (which the games DO have)
Make it make sense.

>>57910463
Item Clause is for fags.

>>57909601
Don't forget
>you can quickly tweak your team between matches, instead of having to spend hours to breed another mon with favourable traits

>>57910628
That part is unironically bad. You're not encouraged to try and make something work. It just makes you into a meta slave.

>>57909601
>It doesn't accurately represent the real games at all.
Yeah because it's actually good

>>57909601
>>shows HP as percentages to simplify it for thirdies instead of the actual health point values
Outed yourself as a retard, just putting aside everything else you said
Revealing exactly how many EVs something has in HP would be horrible. And that's what you would get if you could see the exact values

>>57909601
>>57909289
>>57909586
>>57910648
Ah so choice and information are both bad. This is surely coming from a place of good faith.

Place your bets on whether Showdown gets a Cease and Desist order after Champion comes out.

>>57910614
How so, bootstallnigger?

>>57909778
>>57912527
I might have overreacted I don't really care honestly

>>57912582
that's ok, neither do i desu

showdown removing natdex anything goes is lame. champions not allowing usage of all mons is also lame. i NEED to use Unown and Arceus on the same team and i NEED every move in the game regardless of how shitty or cancerous they are, yes, even evasion moves. showdown is fucking gay for removing AG for gens 7 and earlier

>>57912534
>he thinks people need to run 6x boots for stall

>OU and natdex
>baxcalibur banned
>roaring moon banned
>frequent suspects on gliscor, volcarona and fucking archaludon
>anything with the slightest amount of RNG is banned - brightpowder, sand veil etc
>sleep moves are banned when we already had sleep clause
>box legendaries and mythicals allowed to run amok
>everything in S tier eventually gets suspected because it's just the norm at this point

If you still play this fanfic trash then you only have yourself to blame. Battle Spot singles with special Pokemon banned is the way, even better if the sole modification is 6v6.

>>57912727
Clef doesnt need boots retard.
Answer the question instead of deflecting. Why are smoggies perfectly Ok with taking Species Clause from the games, even for different forms with different stats and abilities, and they'll rip Sleep Clause from Stadium, but needing each mon to have a different item (like the games) is somehow too much?
Why can I slap lefties or life orb or boots on every mon and call it a day but I cant use Ninetails and A-Ninetails?

>>57912836
Why does there need to be an item clause?

>>57912842
Same reason the game needs a species clause

>>57912899
>Comparing an entire Pokemon, of which can hold an item, to items

>>57913121
It's ok when VGC does it. Why are smoggies so afraid of the concept? Without meme arrows this time.

>>57913138
In general, it centralizes defensive roles around the few pokemon who make best use of uncommonly used items, while not having nearly as much of an impact on offensive pokemon, which together causes metas to shift hard towards HO/hazard stack.
Pokemon like Gliscor, who is already incredible, are even better because they don't use one of your very limited defensive items. Pokemon already has far more offensive items than defensive, and lots of the defensive items are also very valuable on offensive mons. This in turn makes checks and breakers that beat those empowered defensive pokemon even stronger. Meanwhile, the difference between needing to use LO vs expert belt is far less impactful.
Singles is also a far more suitable environment for hazard stack teams, which are also improved by the significant nerf to hazard removal in gen 9.
To be clear, I don't like the boots spam, but it feel like a consequence of hazards somehow becoming even stronger in gen 9 while also gutting removal options, and an item clause would make it even worse.

>>57913138
>appeal to authority

>>57913221
it doesn't centralize defensive roles, it decentrelize offensive ones

>>57913248
How so? Legitimately asking, since I don't see how an item clause impacts offensive pokemon very much at all, positively or negatively.
Offensive pokemon have a far wider suite of items they could use. You could make a legit gen 9 hazard stack offence team while abiding by item clause. Sash Glimmora, scarf/specs/boots/dice kyurem, Waterpon, Air balloon/black glasses gambit, booster valiant.
Meanwhile, defensive pokemon that don't need, or at the very least really want, either boots or lefties are relatively rare.

>>57913266
semmantics
looking at the same facts from different prespectives
like how overwaight = undertall, centralizes defensive= decentrelize offensive

>>57913240
It's ok when smoggies do it.

>>57909601
Smoggie sisters. . .

Why DOES smogon enforce species clause for visually different forms? Is it solely because it would cause Arceus spam in ubers? There's not really that much stronger strategic benefit to bringing both forms of Slowking than any other combination.

>>57913282
Ah, I see. At risk of taking a joke seriously, that isn't what happens.
Centralized defence leads to specialized offence. If gliscor goes from being on 1 out of every 5 teams you fight to 1 out of every 2, then you aren't going to see a wider variety of offence, you're going to see more people running the thing that kills gliscor.

>>57912530
Fairly high.

>>57913221
>>57913266
>>57913303
Gliscor being a broken faggot is a good point.

>>57913300
Pretty sure it got carried over from the games, which bases it off of the dex number, and there hasn't been any push to change it.

>>57913314
I've been focusing on gliscor in particular, but item clauses rarely benefit weaker pokemon. The main winners from implementing an item clause are going to be the already strong pokemon that either use a unique or rare item, such as ogerpon or gliscor, or have a number of items they can run, like gambit, valiant, or lando.

>>57913315
Looking over the list, if it's limited to regionals it'd actually be fine. The best combos are double Moltres and double Slowking, maybe double Ninetails for the memes.
If it's any form difference, it's a catastrophe with shit like
>all Deoxys forms on one team
>double Magearna
>double Ogerpon
>double triple Kyurem special (depends on tier)
>whacky shit with a few genies
>multiple Rotoms
>Genesect wombo combo u-turn spam
>double Zamazenta
>Arceus shitstorm as mentioned
>double Urshifu
>not just double Giratina, but double Palkia and Dialga too
>double Gastrodon
>dusk mane AND dawn wings Necrozma
>both Caly riders because fuck you
>double Moushold
Literally no tier would be safe lmao

>>57913138
What exactly would an item clause even achieve exactly?

>>57913629
Why, it diversifies sets and kneecaps stallfaggotry of course! The same goal it achieves in the official format.

>>57913680
Run a choiced wallbreaker