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>Thread question:
What's the most interesting twist or idea you've read?

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>>57910530 (OP)
Most interesting twist? Kind of hard to proc. I don't know about most interesting, but FateGo's original storyline of having your teams butt monkey comic relief actually being a former godlike figure who wished to be a regular human, and the villain being his former servant who usurped his identity was pretty radical when I experienced it. There was a lot more nuance to the situation but it was a pretty emotional payoff when he had to sacrifice himself to completely remove his, and thus the villains, power from the world.

>>57910530 (OP)
>What's the most interesting twist
The character you thought of as the MC was nothing but a clone

>reading a fic
>remember license complaints from yesterday's thread
>read this the next day
>"Out of the corner of his eye, Gary noticed a pokeball by Matt’s belt, so he continued, “You won’t be getting your official trainer licenses just yet—that’ll come after two years of apprenticeship, provided you’ve proven your growth and responsibility."

>>57910530 (OP)
I've actually got, in my opinion, a pretty sick twist set up for one of my stories. Can't spoil it of course, but I'm worried that if I handle it wrong it will be too subtle for most people to even know the twist happened.

>>57910770
>Two fucking years
lmao
And why does Gary sound like a business lawyer?

>>57910830
Because his role in that moment is to deliver legal exposition to the reader.

>>57910830
he's a professor, I'm still skimming it, but it isn't hooking me. It's like chapter 10 and there's more existential crisises than pokemon

I can't wait until I get my license and can start writing and participating in this thread without supervision

>>57910770
>Gary grows up to become Neo Oak
>Instead of sending kids off with experimental equipment and a pat on the back he drafts them as interns

Brutal.

>>57910847
>It's like chapter 10 and there's more existential crisises than pokemon
Many such cases.
The more time passes the more I realize that Sugimori ranting about how people keep making Pokemon not be about the Pokemon in the Teraleak meetings was completely right.

>>57910770
>"Kids these times with their trainer licenses and Rotom phones, back in my day we didn't need all that crap. We left our homes without any means to communicate with society nor any knowledge of the exterior world. We traveled caves, mountains and oceans; and we didn't even have running shoes!"

>>57910530 (OP)
>What's the most interesting twist or idea you've read?
Currently being the change I want to see in the world. No idea how long it'll take until I can actually drop the twist though.

>>57910847
>fic has extreme loicense restrictions
>"more existential crisises than pokemon"
Are there many that aren't? The only loicense fic I remember that wasn't full of them was the rattata joey SI one.

Every time I hear people complain about something that is understandably often done badly, like licenses, my brain registers is as a challenge and starts thinking of a way to do the offending feature well. And I don't believe that there is any topic or subject that can't be done well.

So what WOULD be a good way to use loicenses? The knee jerk reaction is to see them as antithetic to the concept of a pokemon adventure. So my first thought is how to write this tension in a way that is interesting.

>>57911263
Evil teams giving people who join them forged loicenses.

>>57911263
I have trainer ID's in my stories, but they're rarely mentioned except as ID cards useful for shit that would make use of an ID card. Kinda boring, but it's a fucking plastic rectangle.

Also, that intrusive 'o' looks really retarded. Is that a brainrot meme?

>>57911285
It’s referencing how brits have to pay for a tv license.
Some pronounce it like that.

>>57911271
One of my first ideas was having the characters ignore or fake loicenses, and have it be an actual issue that needs to be addressed at times instead of just being an excuse to ignore the problem.

Another idea was to have the overbearing nature of them be a point of conflict for the characters. Exploring the problems that a character has to deal with because of them that is more interesting than just paper work. Trying to compete despite being at disadvantages due to not having proper licenses. They become an obstacle to overcome, not a road block that halts the story.

>licenses
What other annoying shit makes you guys want to immediately drop a story?

>>57911338
aura

>>57911338
gravity training

>>57911345
My main character is going to aura academy where he's the weakest and bullied for being poor and betrayed, but one day he'll have his aura license allowing him to bond with a pocket monster of the body tempering stage, assuming he can get over his trauma of stealing a body he swapped into, having to call someone else mom and dad, losing so much earth stuff like his 9 to 5 job, but that won't stop him from using his earth knowledge of smogon and exercise and nutrition to make a powerful trainer, assuming he doesn't lose his license for using unorthodox moves like Counter and Curse first!

>>57911338
Edge.
Conflating contests/battling/etc. with real life animal abuse.

>>57911338
Normal guns

Chunin exam arc but Pokemon.

>>57910530 (OP)
>TQ
Not the best or most original twist I read but I like it when the character you follow the pov of in chapter 1 and thought was the mc is brutally murdered and replaced by the actual mc.
First saw it in "Everybody Loves Large Chests" the protag is a mimic that straight up eats a fella.

>>57911338
MC has PTSD and they're fucking annoying about it

>>57910530 (OP)
>What's the most interesting twist or idea you've read?
When the third-person omniscient narrator who's been relaying the story to you the entire time is suddenly revealed to be a character in the story by the narration seamlessly shifting to first-person as they arrive.

>>57910530 (OP)
I read a fic that was combining Pokemon and the plot of Final Fantasy I and it was the most enjoyable read I've had in a while.

>>57911338
>This story takes place in a darker, more realistic alternate universe (AU) of Pokémon world

>>57911362
We call that day 1 of the league season

>>57911378
What sort of game do you think you're playing?

>>57911401
>people die going on journeys every year!

>>57911363
ELLC is based

A license should be used to
>Get access to restrained areas
>Get the right to carry self defense weapons
>Exclusive stores
>The right to act as a law enforcer if needed
>Free transport
>aura/psychic/magic/martial arts manuals if you're interested and have affinity towards it
>Being handed rehabilitated Pokémon that used to belong to criminals

>>57911425
I get this a joke but speaking on the trope itself, why would you need a license for a self defence weapon when just befriending a wild pokémon (no need to even catch it) makes you capable of threatening someones life?
What these bureaucracy fics seem to constantly miss is that Pokémon is a very high trust society. Even their spooks are downright cute compared to ours get upto.

>>57911440
What ours*

>>57911263
It's an obvious idea but you could write a comedy story about being stuck at the poke-dmv because your pokemon just evolved into something that can fly and shoot class-2 hyper beams or whatever and so now this trainer needs to deal with a seemingly endless chain of forms, departments, and red tape.

>>57911440
>Pokémon is a very high trust society. Even their spooks are downright cute compared to ours get upto.
Like sure, but everyone knows that's because of the game's rating and not muh lore otherwise retards trying to destroy the world wouldn't be that common and some of them happen at the same time and most writers try to give the world more weight than what is shown in canon

>>57911378
>>57911404
>somebody says something nice about my story
>people assume I'm just trying to shill

If this wasn't so funny I'd be upset.

>>57911402
>the license exam is just throwing kids into a forest of death with some pokeballs, telling them that only 50% of them can actually pass, and wishing them luck

>>57911401
I know Traveler is old and busted but I like how it doesn’t completely dump edginess on the reader.

>>57911450
You forgot the part when they're told that this could have done online after finishing the paperwork

>>57911509
>the test only needs like a 40% score to pass and is only required if you're 12 or younger, which MC isn't
>bonus points if there's an entire section going into detail about studying for it and the rigorous prep and lack of sleep

>>57911586
>Only mandatory for trainers 12 years or younger
>The 27 year old MC keeps signing up for the test for fun just so he can bully kids

>>57911609
Incredibly based

For you journeyfags, does your MC win the tournament?

>>57911624
People call him Top 8 because he keeps placing in that range, until his like fifth or so league where he manages to go all the way.

>>57911640
>They call him Silver, because those are the only medals he wins

>>57911624
Yes, of course, why would I want to make my MC a fucking loser?
For all the complaining about power fantasies being everywhere nowadays feels like I see and hear more about miserable sadsacks MCs who never accomplish anything and never get ahead in life.
Even the sloppiest slop isekai gets the point that this shit is supposed to be a power fantasy. And there's literally nothing wrong with that. Stop letting people who're losers IRL play crab on you and your stories and drag you down to their level because they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.

>>57911640
The pokemon world equivalent of Jet Tila

>>57911338
If the dialogue feels like garbage, or grammar so bad I cant understand what's being written. Those are honestly the two biggest ones. I've read way to much trash, but so long as its mostly understandable I'll read it for far longer than I should.
If a story starts to get bogged down in "social" issues or interpersonal stuff is another one. Whether its a moral crusade against slavery or enlightened SIs railing against a bigoted "cistem" it really takes me out of it. Harem stories collapsing underneath the weight of waifus, femMC stories becoming lectures, stories where trans/gay/lesbian couple drama take over. All this has happened. All of it kills my interest. The key defining feature for all of them? They weren't packaged as such. They were adventures or SoL feel good stuff that become bogged down by what should have been secondary plots. I'll read trans/fem/idiot male mc shit. But when your social causes/personal drama eat the plot? nah. I'm done

>>57911676
Feels like there's only ever two types of stories:
1 MC struggles, suffers, fails, wallows in their defeat
2 MC literally shits on difficulty, wins everything all the time

Its like people who write characters that struggle can't even comprehend being able to progress meaningfully while those who write winners don't understand effort is necessary to achieve anything and you can still win even if you don't immediately succeed at every always

>>57910530 (OP)
How would (You) lead a roving band of murderhobos a la Slaughterhouse 9/Phantom Troupe in the pokemon world? How many members would there be, and what would be your aim as a group?

Assume you've been granted supernatural charisma as an isekai cheat—all members will be unquestionably loyal to you, and you can corrupt or break anyone to your cause given enough time and effort. Who would you try to recruit into your band?

On Deviantart, years ago, I want to say not long after X/Y. Someone drew and wrote up a fakemon. It was literally a split evolution off Parasect. They drew a Paras without the two shrooms on it's back, so just the spidercrab thing, except it was a healthy shade of green. Then the evolution was Parasect, without the shroom, it had pupils, was also green, and on it's back it had a pair of wings, kind of like Heracross, like where there is a top shell layer, then that slides out to reveal the bug wings.

Like a crab spider roach bug type. Then they wrote some pokedex like stuff about how the green healthy Paras is a bug type, but will occasionally have spores planted on it that the trainer must lookout for and remove quickly or it will permanently become infected. Once infected it gains the Grass type and evolves normally. But if you protect it and keep it clean it will evolve into the pure Bug type with increased speed, attack, and hp, but loses the access to spore unless the mushrooms grow on base Paras. Paras/sect creates eggs with the parasite already attached to the baby Paras, that it wasn't something that happened after the egg hatched. A Pokemon Ranger dedicated his life to trying to remove the parasite without killing the Pokemon, but that it was frowned upon because there was no way to experiment without harming the pokemon. He does it in secret and ends up killing tons of Paras/ect in the process, but finds out a way to cure the Paras but not the evolved form. Once he cured a few Paras that lived and didn't die from complications, they started breeding and he found out that Paras tend to just attract the parasite because they love the mushrooms that cause the spores to spread and their bodies can't fight them, while other mushroom eating pokemon either avoid them because theyre smart, or their bodies can just digest them like the Shroomish line. There is a lot I left out/can't remember, but it lives rent free in my head.

>>57911624
First one, no, but there's plenty more where it came from since I'm using Battle Frontier facilities as the 'gym' equivalents for story progression. He'll make a strong showing in a 16-man tourney, winning the first two out of four rounds, then get an unlucky match against a man who's been training Zigzagoon longer than he's been alive.

He'll get bodied, but wind up getting advice from one of the people running things about improving his (rather restrained) showmanship, and complemented for how he handled his second opponent throwing a fit about one of his (opponent's) 'mon not living up to their price tag. All in all, a good learning experience, that will be taken with him into the next slated tourney where the show battling can start.

>>57911760
I take it you haven't been able to find it again?
No recourse but to try to write it all again yourself.

>>57911758
If I was to form a band of evil characters from the series I would just pick all the characters I like. The only ones that jump to mind are Brock and Roxanne at the moment though.

Change of plans, harem conquest time. Recruit girls and knock them up. Transform guys into girls and knock them up. Probably leave Brock as my second in command as a fellow pervert.

I doubt death rates would be as high as they're made out to be in dark realistic fanfic. Think about it.

In the Pokemon World, the fact that every creature has superpowers implies that humanity should have some degree of resistance to them. Plus Pokemarts that sell Potions for status conditions are everywhere. Poisons and burns are likely not so fatal.

>>57911888
>In the Pokemon World, the fact that every creature has superpowers implies that humanity should have some degree of resistance to them.
That resistance could be being so nutrition deprived and so fast at breeding that it's not worth hunting them. The sloth can only die when hunted by the tiger.
Survival of the fittest cares not for your ability to fight or flee, it cares for how you fit into the ecosystem.

>>57911888
>that humanity should have some degree of resistance to them
Just look at our average discussion, some really refuse to accept that as canon despite that being proved in every media of the franchise and seethe if you imply that humans aren't as squishy as us

>>57911930
I think there’s a difference between “humans are nutritionally useless” and “humans are dragon ball z characters”

>>57911935
>humans are dragon ball z characters
I didn't Monster Hunter humans were that, that was a retarded point when fucking, literal, magic energy flows through the world and is what let Pokémon use their moves, or the magical herbs

>>57911943
yeah but none of that actively affects humans. people here take vague ideas and comedy moments and extrapolate them to nonsensical extremes

>>57911624
He might get there one day, but he's more concerned with stopping the villain that's trying to destroy the world. By the end he's definitely an excellent trainer, but that's never been his primary goal.

>>57911624
Nope.
Beaten by his overbearing over-achieving older brother.
It's okay, he gets the girl. All brother gets is an invitation to get rock-stomped by Steven Stone in the globals.

What's your favorite version of Sabrina, anons?
Or how do you see/think of Sabrina? What are your interpretations?
That post the other day got me thinking and now I'm looking for inspiration.
Hard Mode: Nothing sexual.

>>57911947
>comedy moments
Lance's hyperbeam
Bea training and even if they hold back that's still above any normal human here
Korrina crushing rocks with her kicks

>>57911970
These are all things that happen a lot in shows where regular humans are able to survive and perform feats that would be impossible for a regular humans because they trained well enough. Seems odd say pokemon humans are some kind of special case.

>>57911964
I really like her design and interpretation from Pokespe, but I only read the early arcs from the manga. Her being Team Rocket makes me think of her holding the whip from RBG, and it just makes sense in my opinion of Giovanni recruiting at one or two Gym leaders to Team Rocket. But I also like her being a cool Rave Chick in HG/SS. I've never played BW2 but her design in this image looks really sick.

>>57911888
I know, I know. >anime
But the shit Ash does, and I don't just mean taking Pikachu Thunder and Charizard Flamethrower, but his physical things like chasing down trucks or jumping off mountain cliffs and other feats of strength he's shown is kinda crazy. Kinda makes me feel like humans in the pokemon world are physically stronger than real life humans. If we're using only video games, Dragonite HyperBeaming and only knocking out a rocket grunt from Gen2 and Legends Arceus trainers getting knocked out by Snorlax hyper beam or Boss Pokemon attacks also shows human durability beyond ours.

>>57911964
I like them all for different reasons, but I like the Sabrina best when she's happy.

>>57911964
My favorite Sabrina is one that's happy

>>57911964
>What's your favorite version of Sabrina, anons?
I quite like her anime version, dunno, liked how sinister she seemed and all the stuff she could do with her powers and how they manifested.

>>57911970
>vague early series weirdness
>inconsistent anime example
every time
if you want to write people punching a tyranitar be my guest but don’t get offended if people call it retarded

>>57912031
>>inconsistent anime example
It's game lore you pedantic realismfag

>>57911964
Is this your favorite version of Cynthia?

>>57912044
>it’s game lore!!!
>>anime

>>57911992
Ash’s feats in the anime are wildly inconsistent. I don’t mind the aura stuff, but I think the people who keep insisting the anime is some encyclopedia are being stupid.

>>57912061
Ashschizos are retarded, more at eleven.

>>57912106
>>57912061
Are cynthiaschizos equally retarded and deprived of oxygen as babies

Holy shit!! A pidgey flew near a family and now they're fucking gore plastered on the walls, it also destroyed the city!!!

>>57912124
>he didn’t train his shitmon with the macho brace on

>>57912124
Tch... If I was there I could have killed the pidgey before it would have a chance to react... And that's just with my bear hands(I have Noble Alpha King Bloodmoon Ursaluna genes)

>>57912124
A rattata leered at me and now I have AIDS

Humans can fight alongside their Pokémon btw

>>57912198
NOOOO NOO THEY CAN’T
AAAAAAAAAAA
STOP

>>57912198
>fighting other humans
Pathetic. Real humans die by the thousands just to distract the enemy for a few precious seconds

>they didn't renovate my contract
Fuck, sloppiest auraslop here I come

>>57912198
Fighting alongside your monsters, you say?

Next you'll say that they have to negotiate with wild 'mon to get them to join the team.

>>57912340
Put smut in it

>>57911496
Wait, you wrote that? With the Shield and Blastoise and the Sword and Charizard and all that? Thanks, it was real fun!

>>57912352
Humans fighting alongside their pokemon... I think Orre is the perfect region for it, for how lawless it is.

>>57911964
There's the one in the other Pokemon manga where Dream Eater eats a creature's soul, and some giant Haunter does that to Sabrina.

>>57911676
My MC is fairly decent in Pokemon battles and gets things done, he just acts like a loser

>>57911676
The big problem is now that there's a sub-divison of dogshit ass writers that, if things would have gone as normal would be writing Isekai power fantasy slop, but they noticed the general reception of that kind of story to be negative so they over corrected to dogshit loser 'Woe is me!' story, without actually engaging in the reasons for why people hate Isekai slop in the first place.

>>57912404
Does he do that for a reason or just because?

>>57912418
>Does he do that for a reason or just because?
Because he's an idiot

>>57912352
>negotiate with wild 'mon
can't wait

>>57912352
>negotiate
You already need at least some charisma to be a trainer. A pokémon can just gtfo if they don't like/respect you or not obey or straight up attack you if they hate your ass.

>>57912418
What are the reasons Isekai Slop Power Fantasy stories are hated? I ask this as someone writing Isekai Slop but trying to not just make it self-masturbatory nonsense.

>>57912520
>self-masturbatory nonsense
Mostly because of this, while some like the MC to be best at everything without trying and with powers handed on a silver plate others enjoy the struggle of a character going from zero to godhood with his own power and effort.

>>57911624
i feel like most journeyfag fics follow this progression
>first tournament: wash out in top 16, maybe top 8 (it's okay though, the person that beat them won the whole tournament before getting destroyed by the champ!)
>second tournament: win, but get completely curbstomped by the champ
>fic never goes onto a third tournament and ends

>>57912396
Nice, thanks anon. How far did you get? I haven't finished the latest chapter yet because it's a slower paced chapter to set up the next arc. Trying to balance the exposition and character/pokemon interactions so they aren't a slog despite the low amount of action.

>>57912403
I think thats dengeki pikachu, which I only know because I was doing research on Sabrina the other day. I like her too, though the one that helped Red defeat Rocket at Silph co (smiling upper right) is also super cute.

fuck nutrition, I'm hoarding bottle caps to hyper train my mons

>>57912754
Give up, you'll never amass more power than James. He could crush Arceus in the palm of his hand with his peerless bottle cap collection, so what do you think he'll do to you when he discovers you're butting in on his turf?

>>57912758
Whip out Dinner Bell loaded with coin shot. And call out a FEAR Rattata.

>>57912758
I'd take him to a buffet, poor people love buffets.

Has anyone tried to write battles with trainers using items like potions during them?

I've been playing Pokemon Tectonic lately. The design philosophy of making every pokemon viable in a battle lets me envision more LISA the Painful-esque battles (or more Pointless or Heartless tactical, to be more accurate); every encounter is a variation of scum but they should be memorable scum. It's not often most trainers will be recurring so might as well keep their fights interesting and somewhat challenging in the narrative.

>>57912902
No, but I can imagine a few ways to do it. Obviously most would not be legal in a more official fight like VGC, but thats up to the writer.

First and simplest, Potions are shown as sprays. So just get your pokemon to get close to you for a moment so you can spray them in the middle of a fight. The enemy pokemon isn't stopping its attacks so this has as much risk as spending your turn in game to heal.

Could go further with potions having very long range high power spray to make them easier to administer in battle, though the pokemon would still need to hold still so you don't miss. Bonus style points for something like throwing your Geodude a Pepsi which he grabs, pops the lid, and guzzles down mid dodging an attack.

Another easy way to write it is using healing on pokemon recalled to their pokeballs. Pokeballs are seen to interface with healing machines, so maybe you could have them also interface somehow with potions to heal the pokemon inside.

>>57912911
I've only had 3 trainer battles so far (most battles have been with wild pokemon), but since it's a non-league setting most battles are gonna be scummy by necessity. Weather based outnumber and overwhelm tactics, secretly surrounding your opponent with your pokemon and surprise attacking them, using weapons and tools without hesitation, attacking the trainers directly. You gotta do what you gotta do, honor does you no good if you end up nothing more than rust on a blade

Why do trainers never use ROCK outside of the safari zone if it's so effective?

>>57912971
Sold me on that. Link to fic?

>>57912992
I lost so much respect for her once I learned who her father is

>>57913081
Weird but now I'm curious.

>>57913003
https://archiveofourown.org/works/63406333

So what's the deal, are trainer schools better than going on a journey nowadays?

>>57912992
Safari Pokemon are domesticated

>>57913208
Paldea is a full sized region so you get both.

I'm not sure about BB but it's still pretty big.

>>57913208
If you're a nerd, sure

>>57913264
Blueberry is funny as hell, its a giant ass poke-school that follows Japans super student council chicanery and operates as a region/setting of its own. Honestly kind of surprised they didn't try to do something like this earlier. And no, the other school doesn't count, its like 1 or 2 rooms every time you run across one. I didn't buy the DLC so I was confused as fuck the first two times I ran across a fiction mentioning it

>Get the urge to write
>At work for another five hours
>Will go home too tired to write
I'm going insane

>>57913105
Vocal liberal. Anyway aren’t humans in the pokemon world superpowered? Why aren’t those rocks doing damage when thrown?

PSA, if you ever cut a scene, keep a backup of it somewhere. I cut a scene from chapter 1 because the chapter was really dragging (and still does without it), and I'm like 2/3 of the way done with chapter 8 and I get to do the scene. Editing has been a fun little exercise since I get to see how much differently I need to write the characters already.

>>57913783
Version control is your friend.
And it's not just for software developers.

>>57913208
If you're smart and dedicated enough for it, yeah. Journeys exist for slow-witted short-attention-spanned lazy kids who need to be thrown into a do-or-die situation just to make any progress.

>>57913902
>slow-witted short-attention-spanned lazy kids who need to be thrown into a do-or-die situation just to make any progress.
Funny how they're the ones that always save the world while the nepobabies just larp as the real league

>>57913902
Fuck off Giselle

>>57913914
Is there a successful trainer who isn't a nepo baby or supported by one?

>>57913914
God-chosen protagonists are the exception to all rules, they would have saved the world even if they were restricted to the confines of a single city.
Now, if you're not a god-chosen protagonist... you'll probably not amount to anything without a proper education.

>>57913930
Dawn and Lucas?

>>57913935
Chosen by destiny and bloodline if we take PLA into account

>>57913930
What do we define as a nepobaby here? Is, say, a cloned human based off a skilled trainer and enhanced with slightly superhuman physical abilities and some latent psychic talents, but with zero financial aid or training more of a nepobaby than an average-skilled trainer who had rich parents and was given a top level education, designer-bred perfect IV meta Pokemon, and VIP access to the best trainer items?

Do nepobabies even exist in Pokemon land? Don't they all use the shittiest of shitmons like Furfrou and Purugly?

>>57913930
Wally?

>>57913935
>handouts from the regional professor
>handouts from the champion herself
>handouts from a major businessman
>aided by a glowie
3 of those things happened before even getting their first badge. We could take things even further by saying they're fated by the gods and saying they receive handouts from many more sources thanks to cross-game gifts like the manaphy egg.
In the pokemon world, if you're not a nepobaby or god-chosen or a megalomaniac cultist... then you're a nobody.

>>57913950
>Is, say, a cloned human based off a skilled trainer and enhanced with slightly superhuman physical abilities and some latent psychic talents
We call that a tubebaby, yes, and it does count as nepobaby because the one that cloned him probably invested a lot of money to get the best of the best materials

>>57913954
Blueberry, bro.

>>57913930
Eusine, he's just a weirdo obsessed with Suicune

>>57913950
if you have some backstory that explains why you're special that doesn't involved 'hard life/working hard', if there was some lucky break or artifact, then they are in some form a nepo baby.

If anyone in their position would likely be successful, like Ash Ketchum, then its nepo since anyone else could have been the hero if they had it. I usually see this justified by saying the character is so much more virtuous than other people, while they use it cheat/lie/steal/kill everyone around them

>>57913967
Successful

>>57913930
Hugh

>>57913967
Aren't gym leader positions passed down through their family with Sabrina being the only exception?

We need more wacky plots

>>57913992
I think the only time that has ever happened in the games is with Koga and Janine. We've seen gyms change hands in a few different ways.

-Sabrina challenging and winning the right to be Saffron's gym. Implies that it's a position that can be challenged.
-Janine taking over after Koga. Purest form of nepo I can think of.
-Rival taking over Giovanni's empty gym. It's implied he just decided to do that and nobody stopped him, though in Lets Go post game he says something about being a substitue gym leader while they figure out what to do.
-Hoenn's 8th leader becoming champion, where the previous leader of the gym took his position up again to fill the seat.
-Drayden and Dragon loli are either both able to fill the role at one time, or alternate universe fuckery, but Iris seems like thry will inherit it as an apprentice was the original intention.
-The SwSh exclusive gym leaders. One are a mother or son, while the others seem to have nothing to do with eachother.

As for stuff like the anime, I know Brock and Misty's families both run the gym as a unit.

So it seems like nepotism is a possibility and not the rule.

>>57914024
What level of wacky? My latest MC has an analogue horror entity trapped on his PC that he has to bribe with violent video games to keep from scaring away clients.

>>57914077
>with Koga and Janine.
Drayden groomed Iris to be a gym leader and a champion even if they're not blood related

>>57914111
I literally mentioned that.

>>57914116
Right, my fault

>>57914172
It's cool, though I do think people are getting so loose with the term nepotism in this thread that it's starting to lose meaning. Is taking somebody under your wing because you see they have potential a form of nepotism?

>>57914196
it's cronyism and maybe grooming

>>57914209
Would a blacksmith taking in an apprentice be cronyism and grooming? Again, it seems like these words are being thrown around pretty loosely.

>>57914267
That’s because they are. Nepotism is favoring friends or family with powerful positions or benefits. Most of the time that’s not even the case with the protagonists.

>>57914024
I've already got a villain penciled in as wanting to drag the world back to the good ol' days, before Oak beat Indigo into submission and people started cooperating.
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>>57913954
What are 'Rich Boy' and 'Lady' trainer classes?

The ultimate fucking nepo baby. How the fuck did she make it to the elite 4????????

>>57914361
Paldea is a fucking joke

>It's le hard work vs le chosen one meme argument
Wow I had no idea I was on /r/CharacteRant
Now say the line, anon: "Rock Lee should have been the real Naruto MC".
This thread seriously gets worse and worse by the week.

>>57914361
She's skilled. What's the fucking problem with that?
>HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE'S AN E4 WHEN SHE'S 9 YEARS OLD DUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR
>MY SELF INSERT IS A GARY/MARY SUE WHO SAVES THE WORLD BECOMES CHAMPION AND CATCHES A LEGENDARY AT 10? YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Her design is retarded and she looks like a toddler? So fucking what? Paldea has like five more retarded and worse looking designs at minimum. At least Poppy looks like an actual toddler and not like a fucking clown.

>>57914375
Fucking clown? That's my fetish!

>>57914267
only if i dont like it

>it's another faggot complaining without posting anything relevant to discuss

>>57914361
the same way Liza and Tate became gym leaders

>>57914396
I can't believe Liza groomed Tate.

>>57914396
How old are those two anyway?

>>57914361
I genuinely don't get the meme when Acerola exists

I wonder what a smutfic describing an aurafag getting instaloss'd by Zygarde would look like. Just imagine that thicc landsnake fucking that powerless faggot as his powers rapidly go away and Z wil do whatever she pleases.

>>57914404
Poppy looks like a toddler, not a loli nor a very petite woman.
Poppy also behaves like a toddler, which is why I say the 9 years old from the DLC was damage control from how she was received, which ironically enough just makes the whole thing look more retarded, because why she's acting and dressing like a toddler when she's nearly 10?
Acerola is actually between 11, the "normal trainer age" at worst or up to 19, so teenager or young adult at best.
Acerola, despite being quite wacky and lighthearted as a person, shows surprising maturity and wisdom at many times. Poppy, again, behaves and talks like an actual toddler.
Acerola got upgraded from Trial Captain to Elite Four, a sensible progression, and it doesn't get dropped on your lap from the get-go. With Poppy you go from 0 to 100 right away instantly so it's like wtf.

>>57914361
Who's her benefactor? She might just be the only natural prodigy in the entire fucking universe.

>>57914470
I assume Rika, who seems to be more or less "responsible" for her in the E4.

>>57914470
Geeta probably "scouted" her like she does everyone else.

>>57914404
There's that meme people say she's an adult because he calls herself Calem's older sister in Masters

>>57914427
>Gardevoir, use Skill Swap!
>Zygarde loses its Aura Break, its power stuttering and vanishing as its own ability is used against it
>It gains Gardevoir's telepathy just in time to sense the demented sexual torture I have in store for it, which I am loudly projecting in my thoughts
>most of it involves its dog form

>>57914427

>>57914404
Acerola doesn’t talk like a lobotomized toddler. I think it’s also implied there’s some weirdness going on with her.

>>57914504
Based.

>>57914361
It's honestly less an issue that she's potentially some nepo baby pulling connections—she more than proves her strength and skill in the games—what's more concerning is the fact that she's essentially a state-sponsored child soldier. Does she work the same hours as her peers? Is she allowed time to have fun and be a normal girl? Is she routinely placed under mortal danger because of the nature of her position? Knowing how big of a bitch Geeta is, I'd venture the answers are no no and yes. It's also BECAUSE she's such a bitch that she'd never allow some little girl to play at Elite 4 in her League just because of who her mommy or daddy are.

Sometimes I wonder if Black and White's gym leaders being the jannies of their city ruined Pokemon. It was simpler when gym leaders didn't give a fuck about evil teams taking over key buildings or chopping up Slowpoke tails in public.

>>57914427
Is she going to fill him with legendary pokemon eggs until his belly swells so large that he struggles to walk?

That would be pretty funny.

>>57914582
I'm imagining Zygarde spurting huge wriggling Zygarde cells inside the aurafag's belly myself.

>>57914569
I see Poppy more as 'Please let this child into the Elite 4, we need to give her an outlet for her bloodlust' sort of deal. Less that they are making her do Elite 4 things and more they couldn't keep her out.

>>57914580
Well, as far as I know there isn't anything saying that each region's gym and elite 4 system works the same as others. Unova may just have their gym leaders be jannies because thats more in line with the region's culture.

>>57914427
>Aura Break inverts the effects of Fairy Aura and Dark Aura: instead of multiplying the power of Fairy- or Dark-type moves by those Abilities' normal multiplier of approximately 4/3 (or more precisely, 5448/4096), the power of moves of that type is divided by 4/3 instead, resulting in a 25% decrease in power as long as both Abilities are active.

>Even if a Pokémon with Mold Breaker, Teravolt, or Turboblaze uses a Fairy- or Dark-type move, the effect of Aura Break still applies.

>If there is a Pokémon with the Dark Aura or Fairy Aura Ability, the Ability's effect will be reversed! Dark- and Fairy-type moves become weak!

Sucks for Fairy and Dark TYPE-AURA users but everyone else laughs it off lmao

>>57914580
Clearly not considering the very next gen the gym leaders didn’t do shit.

>>57914569
I get the feeling that Larry is so overworked and miserable because he has to do all the work Poppy isn't doing because why the fuck would expect a 9 year old to be anywhere remotely close to competent in a bureaucratic job.

>>57910530 (OP)
How interesting of a twist where Cynthia dies for good would be?

Fuck Unova

>>57914735
FUCK CYNTHIA AND FUCK INDIA

STAY MAD

DEPORT YOU ALL BACK

Which game protags, if they exist, are no longer virgins in your fanfic? Bonus points for who they lost it to.

>>57914755
Juliana
Me

>>57914755
Brendan/May canonically dated and the BW 1 or 2 male lead has that supermodel GF + that hiker who diddled him on the ferris wheel.

>>57914755
Brendan banged a Team Magma Grunt.

>>57914848
RIP

>>57914755
That reminds me, I actually did write a fic where I fucked May after the first rival battle. It was inspired by a nuzlocke I was doing at the time.

It was a vore fic. I ate her after we fucked.

>>57914755
Gloria fucked Marnie but Victor's an incel.

Chapter 3 of PokeNormal is finished. It's pretty much a yap fest.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/66247705/chapters/171533338

Case of the Orphaned Clue

>>57914755
Enough time has passed in-universe that most of them have by course of nature, but the noteworthy ones are:
>Dawn
Is in a relationship with Cynthia but actually had her first with Barry in a short and extremely explosive relationship

>Hilda
Lost it experimenting with Bianca and Cheren. They don't see anything official between them, but if you were to put a word to how they feel they'd be a polycule.

>Rosa
Took N's. Gets a sly look when asked if N took hers.

>Nate
Married and started a family with Yancy. Still has to watch out for psycho fans out for blood.

>Calem
Shauna. The fireworks. We all know the drill.

>Serena
Lost it with Emma in Looker's Office, those perverts.

>Gloria
Lost it together with Marnie shortly after the battle with Eternatus. They keep their relationship secret because they get better sponsorship deals when fans can still imagine they're "up for grabs."

>Juliana
Her eventual wife, Nemona.

>Florian
His eventual wife, Nemona in the alternate universe he hails from. He does NOT like being around this world's Nemona being all lovey dovey with Juliana.

>Noteworthy Virgins:
Red, too in love with adventure to find time for love. Poor Blue.
Kris, still waiting for someone to stoke her soul in a Pokemon battle so she knows they're the one.
Selene, who's on a journey around the world preparing herself to confess to Lillie.

Almost none of this is plot relevant, my worldbuilding autism is just too strong to resist.

>>57915067
>He does NOT like being around this world's Nemona being all lovey dovey with Juliana.
Does that go for Juliana as well? Or does Florian not have his wife around and just has to seethe about it while Juliana gets to fuck her Nemona all the time?
What fic is this exactly?

>>57915084
>Does that go for Juliana as well? Or does Florian not have his wife around and just has to seethe about it while Juliana gets to fuck her Nemona all the time?
He's trapped in Juliana's world on his own save for the Pokemon that came with him, including Miraidon. In the fic's world, Scarlet happened, but he was the hero in a world where the events of Violet took place; his world's Professor Sada traveled to this universe through a mysterious method that has destabilized his universe, and he's followed her here to try and find out what she's up to and fix things.
>What fic is this exactly?
In Mine Own. Florian himself is a supporting character much later on in my outline, but his plot thread isn't involved in the actual story, it's just something I put in while brainstorming in case I ever want to write an additional fic in this world/do a sequel.

>>57915067
>Lost it with Emma
This is very funny to me as your fic is my first real introduction to Kalos. I already knew the fic from the way you've talked about the protags in past threads.

Which combination of any Pokemon would (You) use to defeat Scion from Worm?
Hard Mode: No Arceus.
Skitter Mode: No legendaries, but no limit on number of Pokemon and trainers working in tandem.

>>57915177
I, uh, I don't know this guy? Like what, is he a Superman expy?

>>57915177
I know literally nothing about Worm, someone give me a shitpost summation.

>>57915182
>>57915184
What if Superman was evil and cosmic level and could dimension hop and lived in a setting where every villain hyper-optimizes their kit like a redditor

Also he's a crystal alien parasite with severe brain damage and the end of the series is Scion recovering enough from brain damage to realize he's meant to be evil. (the protagonist girlboss bullies him into suicide with her words)

>>57915182
>>57915184
Multiversal God with a "fuck you" attack that nullifies all powers and kills everything, and a "fuck you" clairvoyant ability that tells him how to always win btw
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scion_(Worm)

>>57915207
>>57915209
Huh, that's pretty wild.

Superman still wins, but huh.

>teleporters instead of stairs
>Barriers
>Airships
When are we getting cybernetics?

>>57911338
>>57911364
This. I can endure all the license shit easily enough. But I cannot stand mopey depressive sad sacks, leave that shit in the 2010s it's getting really fucking old by now.
People/pokemon dying? The world being lethally dangerous? Sure I don't mind hell Gamefreak made it canon with LoA especially with it being such recent history, Just stop being so dramatic and painfully urban American about it.

>>57915344
Mindset of a child btw

>>57915396
Elaborate

>>57915067
>lesbians for most
>all in the background
not sure if cringe for including lesbians everywhere and polycules OR based if it all this happens in the background and doesn't impact the story. MEGA based for having all the lesbian shit for porn whenever you need it

>>57915396
Yeah, only children mope nonstop and base their entire personality around overblown trauma.

I do not care for lesbians

>>57915496
They insist upon themselves.

>>57915496
That's fine. I do, so I put some in my fic.

I hate yuricucks

>>57915547
Me too.

>>57911338
I immediately start bracing myself for cringe whenever legendaries get brought up in fics. So few do them well, and I especially hate when MCs become catnip for legendaries for no good reason.

Hello does anyone here have some fics recommendation about necrozma? Anything Will do

>>57914396
Liza and Tate are psychics, which is pretty strongly correlated with high intelligence in the Pokemon world, so you could make the argument that being psychics makes them way smarter than others their age
>>57914404
Acerola is at least 11 considering you have to be that age or older to take part in Alola's island challenge

>>57915550
>and I especially hate when MCs become catnip for legendaries for no good reason.
Low level legendaries or cover box tier? The former gets a pass because anyone can befriend them though the later? You really need destiny for that

>>57915563
>necrozma
Sorry brah, they're basically non-existent

>>57915550
What about mythicals?

>>57915566
>which is pretty strongly correlated with high intelligence in the Pokemon world
Being a psychic doesn't mean you're a genius in fiction tho, like I don't think mental strength is the same as doing calculations.

Also is it me or we can't post pics?

>>57915584

>>57915550
It's so funny when people complain about things about fics that are extremely commonplace in the games and that they happily eat up and beg for more when it happens there.
But it's bad when fanfic does it because... uhhhh... everyone has to be a miserable depressed sadsack and power fantasies le bad?

>>57915563
The last chapter of my haremslop magnum opus features a Necrozma fight I’m very proud of.

>>57915593
It's more how legendaries act. They appear, say some random vague shit and leave.

>>57915593
>that they happily eat up and beg for more when it happens there.
Since fucking when? People have been complaining about how every game plot is now about legendaries since Gen 3, and how other legendaries are just dumped everywhere without fanfare in the post-game since Gen 6 introduced those Hoopa portals.

>>57915593
>power fantasies le bad?
You just reminded me that the people that do this tend to seethe when someone does the same but with a canon character, like all those Naruto crossovers with haremshit where the canon MC gets his harem because he was nice like To Love Ru

>>57915593
A legendary pokemon talking to the protag isn’t common in games tho

>>57915599

>>57915571
>Low level legendaries or cover box tier?
Any legendary. Even the weakest, most common legendary should be considered a Big Deal™ to even see, let alone actually encounter and fight. And it's not that I don't think MCs should never be allowed to encounter or fight legendaries, but there's a frankly bewildering amount of stories that completely destroy the significance and mysticism of legendaries by essentially turning them into just a series of boss fights for the MC to get through or quirky talking mascots that keep being stumbled into like it's a crack fic.
>>57915593
Epic strawman.

>>57915649
>but there's a frankly bewildering amount of stories that completely destroy the significance and mysticism of legendaries by essentially turning them into just a series of boss fights for the MC to get through or quirky talking mascots that keep being stumbled into like it's a crack fic.
So like the games or anime or manga?
It's not a strawman when you exist and keep telling on yourself lol

>>57915653
I would retort, but it's clear there's no point since you're shadow boxing an imaginary boogeyman instead of actually engaging with anyone's posts.

>>57915655
I accept your concession.
Thankfully for you, this is the fanfic thread, so you can write a story with your interpretation of legendaries that fits your desires or tastes that no one, not even the canon material, is giving you. You can address all the issues you have with the power of the pen.
Surely you aren't just hot air, right?

You know, I liked that Zygarde Aura Break thing we came up with the other time.
How about we come up with something similar with every Legendary? Or a Legendary you like?
A fun, interesting, unique, gimmicky, etc "thing" their ability or some other thing unique to themselves as per their biology or powers or whatever that affects humans or Pokemon negatively or positively maybe related to Aura or maybe related to other thing.

>>57915177
Isn't his weakness psychology? He has crippling depression because his wife is dead and can be convinced to kill himself or let himself be killed. There has to be at least a few Pokémon that can exploit emotions for that.

>>57915649
Can you recommend me some that do fun boss fights? I want these wild gods to be hunted down like the most dangerous of game.

>>57915611
for me it was the ben 10 harem trend where everyone wanted to make ben 10 a harem protagonist and plopped him into other harem series like dxd or something

>>57910530 (OP)
Not Pokemon related but the most recent example I can think of was this Evangelion Blue Archive fanfic where the term Absolute Terror gets mentioned by one of the antagonists and then everything sorta just clicked into place.

>>57915833
A damn shame he doesn't need another setting. He's got a plethora of alien babes, if he'd stop blowing them up
>>57915664
Do the totally not gods need another gimmick? Being able to send retards to the shadow realm or to create your own continent with blackjack and poke-hookers seems like enough honestly.
Not to sound like the "legendaries are actually gods and looking at them blows your brain up!!!" guy but would an MC even deal with the gimmick if it did exist? How the fuck would SI #4089 know that Palkia's spatial rend means that anytime a faller is close they get pulled back to their own dimension. or if they've been on poke-earth long enough they get split in two.
There comes a point where worldbuilding becomes nothing more than an excuse to not write. And I think this counts.

>>57915664
One of the pokemon fan tabletop rpgs actually had an optional supplement book that was entirely about this concept. Pretty much how to make legendaries more 'legendary' so to speak. Each one has it's own special gimmicks, and instrad of capturing them they sort of select human characters to be 'avatars' for their will so to speak. So having the favor of one is like having a patron god in D&D or something. They can still be captured but they are have special rules that turn them into forces of nature above a regular pokemon battle.

>>57915889
World building is a form of writing, just not always an audience facing one. Private things you never share with anybody are still valuable things to write. It helps practice creativity and can provide an premade solutions to questions you may encounter later in your writing. And it's fun.

>>57915664
Meloetta can force humans and Pokemon to sing and dance

>>57915664
In Origin of Species the 'Pressure' ability most legendaries have works kind of like the Simurgh scream, if you've read Worm. Being in the vicinity of it fucks with your emotions and your head, so you can't stay fighting them for long, and if you join the battle against them too many times you get crippled

>>57915177
Palkia makes a portal to its true body, Dialga surrounds us in a time bubble to make us faster than it can react, and Yveltal fires a death laser that kills him. For any contingencies or for more exotic effects I have Terapagos and Jirachi to fall back on with wishshit

>>57915833
Lincon Loud took their place, there's a lot of stories like that and, yes, Pokémon crossovers included

>>57916242
Lori Loud is a fine looking girl you ask me.

>>57911964
Game Sabrina, and I think her LGPE design is the best she's ever looked. Never really cared for what they did with her in the anime, and I don't read the manga.

That being said, Sabrina has always felt like a good concept that was never properly realized or utilized in the games, and fan content rarely does anything special with her besides making her exist to be a sexy dominatrix or a gap moe stereotype. For being the literal poster child for human psychics in Pokemon, surprisingly little is done with her. The only fics that I've seen give Sabrina any real prominence are decade old, usually Gen 1 focused fics that play her up as the most powerful/accomplished human psychic in the world, and thusly involved in plots with any psychic phenomena and potentially Mew/Mewtwo, and if not that, at least involved in fighting Team Rocket out of Silph Co. and Saffron (when she's not part of Rocket herself).

>>57916465
The paranormal comedy story is going to involve Sabrina eventually, out of necessity of it being set in Celadon (and the larger Kanto region). I actually had just settled on a great way to include her in the overarching plot today. I haven't exactly settled on how I plan to write her yet as it's supposed to be set several years after BW2, but I'm planning a sort of more casual Sabrina who has become confident in interacting with people.

So burgerbros, have you finally picked a body to possess in the Pokémon world?

>>57916465
Sabrina is one of those characters that feel like they are popular and everyone generally likes but no one at the dev's place cares about her so no one does anything with her.
Hot take, but for all the complaining people do about Cynthia being overrated and overshilled, she feels like that too, specially so when you compare her to characters like Lillie or Leon whose shilling campaigns were out of this world which make you realize the "favoritism" she gets is kinda mid.

>>57916590
I don't know about 'nobody does anything with her' when we literally have pics that are literally just a crowd of her different designs in different media.

>>57916623
And notice how nearly all that stuff is from early Gen1/2 material of which nearly all are adaptations of those storylines so of course she's gotta be there everyone else is there too.
Let's Go and HGSS don't really count since, duh, of course she's gotta be there.
Bellelba's pretty much the only thing Sabrina's gotten ever since. Even on Mastersex she's only got one single alt and that's it.
That was not the epic gotcha you thought it was.

>>57916631
Yeah but that's cause she's a nearly three decade old character and they don't shill Kanto as much as people like to think they do. They push the characters that are actually a part of the newer games and generations.

>>57916658
>they don't shill Kanto as much as people like to think they do
The region? No, certain characters and Pokémon? Come now, bro. Sabrina just wasn't popular enough to get shilled

>>57916687
Let's not pretend many Kanto characters get shilled too.
Who gets shilled and shoved down none's throats left and right on Kanto? Red, Blue, Giovanni? The main character, the rival and the antagonist.
And let's not pretend the shillmons aren't also the popular ones. We sure as hell aren't getting shilled Venomoth or Sandlash or Dewgong.
That's the thing with Kantopandering that so many people seem to not notice either because they're retarded or oblivious on purpose, it's always the same five same popular niggers.
And when you think about it it's the same with all the Regions. Always the Rival, always the Companion, always the Villain, etc.
It's REALLY rare when someone outside those get the shilling treatment. GENUINE shilling, not being popular with the fanbase, for example, Iono is the shilled as fuck character of Gen 9 while Rika despite being so overwhelmingly popular, and despite how hard they've gone on pandering to women, hasn't really gotten all that much in comparison.
You can count with one hand the amount of characters and Pokemon who've gotten organically popular through their own merits who then had their popularity capitalized on by the company, otherwise, the ones getting shilled are always the ones they decided to be the shillmon/shillcharacter of the generation.

Nukes aren't real in pokemon because type energy asserts itself when material breaks down and releases energy. Also bombs are less effective because without type energy the damage is easily prevented due to the natural effects of ambient energy, making it a very safe world.

Fallers show up after getting nuked because type energy nabs their soul and gives them a new body.

Sabrina would be a glass canon to an aurafag btw, being able to predict his next move (aurafag can do that too btw) or trying to turn him into a doll is useless when you can get blitzed

>>57916766
A new body shouldn't make you inmune to mind reading nor soul fuckery tho, which both being common in Pokémon

>>57916768
Oh yeah? Well aurafags are glass cannons compared to my secret technique, Gun.

>>57915597
Sure. I think people think too much of human deities when writing legendaries but in their defence, what the fuck else do they have?

>>57916774
>He doesn't know
How are you getting past my aura barrier that let me survive a grazing Pokémon without turning into a bloody stain on the wall since even the WEAKEST Pokémon can destroy a city?

>>57916778
>what the fuck else do they have?
Literally everything that isn't pop western mythology

>>57916712
>Always the Rival, always the Companion, always the Villain, etc.
So you're saying the characters who are usually more important to the story get the most shilling?

>>57916712
>while Rika despite being so overwhelmingly popular, and despite how hard they've gone on pandering to women, hasn't really gotten all that much in comparison.
That's because Iono is a trend-chasing design while Rika is a subculture design. Women, straight or queer go WILD for a masc beauty like Rika in both JP and western circles, so even if she wasn't intended as a breakout she found fans. Iono on the other hand was very specifically made as a foot in the door on the Vtuber aesthetic and a merch machine. One inspires shittons of fanart, the other you can make a plushie of.

>>57916771
Your brain is a part of your body, so why wouldn't it?

Power scaling autism is the worst thing to ever happen to fandom, and we would all be better off if it died.

>>57916802
Not even natives are so what makes (you) special?

>>57916805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y
relevant

>>57916783
I use my backup plan and throw silver water at you, a weapon so potent and powerful even God has no defense against it.

>>57916831
I love when midwits post this as some proof that "scaling doesn't exist" completely missing the point of what Stan Lee was saying there.

>>57911964
I still don't know why did she became a whore in HGSS

>>57916820
You'll find out if you read my fanfiction: Why I am Special and Girls Get Pregnant with My Children

>>57916841
Go on.

>>57916766
Yeah, they have the Ultimate Weapon for that

>>57916834
Roman Concrete is truly timeless.

>>57916861
Show me your genes

>>57916768
>*makes me win every single time*
everyone loses to luck

>>57916877
I don't like genes, I prefer gorts. They are gomfy and easy to wear.

>>57915964
Isn’t this canon? Poke balls nerf “legendary” abilities

>>57916919
nah, that was part of the "everything has to be uncool" crashout around gen 4

>>57916919
When is this stated? Or is this just an assumption based on game mechanics?

>>57916970
It’s stated in DPPt in Galactic’s main base. It’s why the red chain is such a big plot point and why you get given the Master Ball.

>>57916919
It's not one they treat with any degree of consistency. Do the legendaries actually get weaker after you catch them? No, their levels and stats don't go down. Do they lose their movesets? No.
The "pokeballs nerf legendaries" is a quickly thought up and cheaply executed excuse for Master Balls not being more important in the stories.

Like all things, Gamefreak introduces something but adds no depth or quality control to it. We shouldn't read too much into it, because simply by asking these questions we've already put more thought into it than Gamefreak.

>Wanna do a full K-K-KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOO genwun fanfic
>Keep it to the OG 151
>Realize I can't make half-decent good or interesting teams worth a shit with so few mons available and teams end up extremely samey too
>Drop the idea
How the fuck did we use to live like this?
It's practically impossible to not have everyone have dupe mons on their teams or to share mons.

>>57917259
If you've never seen the light how are you supposed to know you live in a cave?

>>57916834
Local god realizes its trapped in the cum jar

>>57916766
Explosion and Self Destruct half base defense before dealing damage btw, which means explosions in general bypass Aura.
>b-but that hasn't been a thing since gen 5—AAAAACCKKK
Game abstraction.

>>57917259
We didn't. The internet wasn't super prevalent in the late 1990s and I doubt the dialup oldfags were discussing anything other than metashit and shipfaggotry.

>>57917337
Explosion is an explosion of aura, Self Destruct, what is self if not aura?

>>57917342
This. They're not only Aura moves, but they also have a powerful condition attached. The Pokemon in question is literally leaving themselves at the mercy of the enemy after expending all their Aura, which is why it ignores defense. Suicide moves are all broken by nature.

>>57916768
Isn't aura pretty strongly associated with Fighting as a type? Feels pretty foolish to go after a Psychic with it.

>>57917362
It's more that Fighting is the type that can master Aura easiest. Martial mastery is heavily focused on the mastery of your internal self, bringing you closer to understanding your Aura.
Aura itself can be expressed via any type, as seen with Xerneas/Yveltal and a few moves that use the same character as Aura in the original language.

>>57917259
Just remember that every fight isn't supposed to be full 6v6 fights. That'll give you more variety in the long run if that helps you. Or use it as a way to write the same pokemon battling in different ways. Duplicates aren't that bad since their movesets can vary.

When did aura become the only thing that allows Pokémon to function? When did the shift from Type Energy or souls I don't remember what the first fanfics used to justify Poke-magic to AURA happen.
Is it just cause anons shitpost about it the most? I don't think there's any more justification for calling this shit aura more than TE or soul energy or even fucking mana. Lurario is the aura pokemon and the only aura moves I remember are fighting. As opposed to TE being a card game/anime thing.

>>57917362
>>57917386
Hado is basically Aura in Japanese, and pretty much all of the "pulse" or "wave" moves have it in the name, which means they're all Aura attacks. That's shit like dragon, dark, water, origin, terrain and healing pulse. Xerneas has a fairy Aura, and Yveltal has a dark Aura.

>>57917386
>When did aura become the only thing that allows Pokémon to function?
People want their OCs to go from weak to strongest so they decided Aura = everything since Aura is one of the few things available to humans. Type Energy and Soul are both something you're born with, which doesn't make their power fantasies feel earned in comparison to spending 5 days gravity training to be stronger than a gym leader's true team.

Once it caught on with the OP MC crowd it spread like a cancer across the rest of the fandom, and now a lot of people think aura is everything simply because they've seen it repeated so much.

It's also VERY convenient that everyone who shills aura conveniently forgets the part where the anime shows Aura Guardians literally dying from using their aura a wee bit too much.

>>57917362
Nah, aura in nip is wave that is the entire life energy of every living being, even trees, and is more of a doctrine (?) than just being unga bunga like a the force in Star Wars or Naruto's senjutsu

>>57917386
>magic
Aura is a game thing and easy to shitpost to be honest and type-energy is still a thing

>>57917413
I'm different from those weak and pathetic aura guardians, I have what it takes to challenge the heavens

>>57917362
Aura is just psychic powers expressed through the muscles. That's why psychic types are strong against fighting, because it's a more refined form of aura.

>>57917386
>to aura
it didn't, you're just shitposting about shitposts, as evidenced by the rest of your post becoming increasingly autistic

>>57916553
Nothing ever happens tho

>>57917413
Don't forget that the anime and Ashfics were the progenitors of Aura use in fanfic. Personally, I think any protagonist that isn't Ash himself shouldn't be able to use aura at a meaningful level at all, and that if you really gotta get your MC having powers fix, that you should just go with them being a psychic instead. In the entire game canon, there's only one single guy who's shown to be capable of using aura to any real extent in the present day and that's Riley, and in anime canon it's him and Ash and that's it. Meanwhile psychics are in nearly every generation and common enough to be a regularly encountered trainer class.

>>57917413
>where the anime shows Aura Guardians literally dying from using their aura a wee bit too much.
It is also painful and your body becomes light particles, but like you said nobody uses that because who wants to have side effects in their power system? And I mean I get it, I was seething about the magic system in FFXV

>>57917472
It's not that Ash and Riley are the only ones who can, just that they're the only ones who trained for it or got proper guidance. Riley did who knows what for his power, and Ash got to wear a mythical artifact that helps you channel your aura.

>>57917472
Ash himself would die if used too much as proved by the movie, fuck you can even say that his body turned to energy in his ICY! Movie death because his aura reached negative numbers tanking all those hyperbeams

>>57917472
> Personally, I think any protagonist that isn't Ash himself shouldn't be able to use aura at a meaningful level at all,
Your reason is literally retarded. "There's only 1 guy who can do aura and it isn't ash, so only ash should do aura"
Sounds more like you're just finding a random reason to shit on people actually writing.

>>57917478
>Ash got to wear a mythical artifact that helps you channel your aura.
Yep, though later with Riley and even Ash it was shown that artifacts aren't really necessary but probably help a lot, like wands for mages instead of the ki-like system every author writing auraslop uses.

So yeah, aura wouldn't turn you into a saiyan but more like a jedi canon tho because Legends gets ridiculous and you'll die if used too much

>>57917458
When you die, your crystalized remains will be used by youngsters who were too poor to afford a real held item.

>>57917504
>aura wouldn't turn you into a saiyan
wasn't there a scene of that happening with him flying and shit, during the body swap movie

>>57917413
>>57917475
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
Lucario didn't die because it "overused its Aura" it died because it literally transferred all of its Aura to the dying Tree of Beginning, which was also connected to Mew's lifeforce, and if the magic tree is fucked then everything around got gets fucked too.
Go re-watch the movie first before you go start talking shit.

>>57917512
>Lucario's master uses aura
>dies
hmm
>Lucario uses aura
>dies
hmmmm
>Ash uses aura
>struggles painfully
hmmmmmmmm

>>57917472
>I think any protagonist that isn't Ash himself shouldn't be able to use aura at a meaningful level at all
I think that's lame from an author's perspective because I believe that anything can work with a bit of skill and lots of heart, if your SI is an aura master that's cool but the world is enormous so freaks like Ash and Riley can exist (I mean as in the potential to be an aurafag btw) but also remember that at least in anime canon reaching zero in aura doesn't make you faint but fucking kills you

>>57917472
Found the Ashschizo.
Sorry the world doesn't revolve around your self-insert.

Ash has the personality of wet cardboard by design. To use Aura you have to master your own ego, though one must meditate for decades to be able to emulate the emptiness that sits naturally behind Ash Ketchum's eyes (after Hoenn).

>>57917517
>Still being pedantic and purposely misrepresenting the situation
I accept your concession.

>>57917512
>overused its Aura
>overused /ˌōvərˈyo͞ozd/ adjective "used too much."
>Aura is life energy
>He used all his aura that is his life energy
>Dies
Are you fucking retarded?

>>57917527
>Xerneas' aura gives life and they enter a cocoon state to recharge
>Yveltal's aura absorbs life and they enter a cocoon state after getting a fully tummy
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>57917528
>a wee bit too much.
That implies something like someone getting tired from running too hard. Like going over 1 point your limit is 10. Like when you eat too much and get a stomachache.
Expending your entire life force to fuel up a magical life tree is way beyond overusing.
The only pedantic retard is you.

If you were to put Ash into a game-style setting without either bashfic or SI/isekaislop tendencies influencing the means, what would actually do with him? Would he still have journeyed with Brock and Misty for a time? Would he be some worldwide-renowned elite trainer? A relative unknown who's more about the journey than winning tournaments? Has he met Red?

Death to aurafags and animefags

>>57917537
It would just be a series with logical sensible writing and ideas without Yuyama cucking it and Shudo being a schizo all over it ruining it.

>>57917506
The sea crown or whatever was a real magic artifact, so literal magic


Btw I love how some guy seems to be lurking, waiting for the chance to call someone Ashschizo even if we're just using him as an example instead of a character, like bro we barely talk about him and when we do you always appear

>>57917540
>Unovatranny thinking he's any better
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>kekaroo outside of /a/
Dbs was a fucking mistake. Goku JOBS to aura btw.

>>57917540
Audino would never say that

There's a surprising number of people here, or a suprising number of posts.

Here's a question I've been thinking of recently: Stories with female MCs/OCs/SIs, which of these stories would be best if the MC was replaced with a man.

>>57917544
All regions were created by Gamefreak's divine hands.
The anime and aura were not.
>>57917547
She would say it with a smile while denying serving to an isekai'd aurawielding isekaifag bleeding out on the sidewalk.

And speaking of self-inserting incels...

>>57917549
I only read women MCs because I'm a porn addict and I would rather be thinking of a woman instead of a man.

>>57917552
Do you think the anime came-up with Lucario or something?

>>57917535
The only pedantic retard here is You

>>57917537
Already a thing in the AU movies, he's a wandering hobo and happy with that just like his EoS self

>>57911676
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AURA LE BAD BECAUSE POWER FANTASIES LE BAD
Evergreen post.

>>57917549
Beats me, I don't read women MC unless is yuri futa netorare porn

>>57917549
None because women are better than men.

>>57917558
No, but it is the anime that took a heretical interpretation of Gamefreak's divine work to empower an antichrist whose very name inspires imagery of decay and destruction.

>>57917566
Pretty sure RWBY proved that wrong

>>57917568
>No, but it is the anime [fanfiction and schizobabble]
Done.

I haven't been here in a while why is this thread now /dbs/

>>57917571
Considering Jaune and Jaunefags exist...
If anything it's proving that statement right.

>>57917576
As bad as this place has gotten we aren't even a hundredth as bad as that shithole.

>>57917572
Where in the games does aura function like it does in the anime beyond the sensing and wave abilities? Where in the games does it describe humans wielding power on par with legendaries thanks to aura?

>>57917578
RWBY as a team got more people killed than Salem with their retarded actions

>>57917552
>>57917540
Imagine being Audino and your entire ecological niche is to be a worthless punching bag sexual relief toilet. It's tender flesh is teeming with nutrition as evidenced by the fuckload of EXP it gives upon being defeated, so any predator that spots it knows it has an easy, juicy meal to look forward to. It has absolutely zero means of defending itself, and will instead try to pathetically heal its own agresor, which admittedly does often upgrade it from delectable meal to pocket healer/convenient cock sheathe. How could you ever possibly respect such a cowardly, useless BITCH of a Pokemon? It was clearly designed to be enslaved and many apex predators besides humans often do, raping it daily and gnawing off its limbs for a delicious snack and to prevent it from escaping their lair. When it eventually heals them back, they get eaten again, trapping the drooling idiot in a cycle it never seems to quite grasp. It's also a tranny pokemon.

>>57917584
>Where in the games does it describe humans wielding power on par with legendaries thanks to aura?
Where in the anime does it say that? Power fantasy authors (always SI) doing that isn't the anime's fault

Aura is whatever I or the author of the story I'm reading say it is.

Aura is stored in the spikes btw. That's why Ash has spiky hair.

>>57917537
Wouldn’t he just be a worse Red?

>>57917599
I didn't say the anime does that, the second question was specifically referring to the power fantasy stories like you mentioned where people overblow aura even further than the anime does.

>>57917607
Everyone is a worse Red thanks to the modern Red wank tho

>>57917607
He'd be a worse Blue if anything.
>loudmouth, arrogant, and always eager to boast
>but lacking the skill to back it up he'll have an overlevelled pikachu and later a sudden charizard that disobeys commands to compensate

>>57917581
Don't worry, the /dbs/ immigrants here are busy working hard to fix that, especially as they try to chase out anons with temper tantrums whenever people in the thread imply MCs should be anything less than perfect immortal gods who effortlessly stomp any challenge put against them.

>>57917632
Name one(1) good story where the MC was anything less than a perfect immortal god who effortlessly stomped any challenge put against them

>>57917549
Some would just be better if they'd staid unwritten.
I think Vicky would be amusing if a male MC had been used. I honestly don't know if it would change anything at all.
I think the weather one works with a femMC, nothing gained from a malemc
The reverse? Could see BoC double down on the emotional trauma with a femNutriman. Honestly can't see the New Normal MC being a chick, that might give him a personality which would be against the main goal of the Fic.

>>57917635
Ranger's shadow

>>57917599
Casually bends reality with aura btw.
>t-that was psychic—
Psychic type Aura, yes.

>>57917647
>lost all her reality-bending power after she was rehabilitated, aka "captured" like by a pokeball
Should've used the red chains. Now you'll never be able to fuck her in doll form while you're bodyswapped with a ken doll

This is all almost as autistic as the two retards on tg that argue back and forth about the definition of magic being something that causes wonder or not.

Aura is what the author/game designer/animator decides it to be. It's like arguing about superhero power levels. It changes from writer to writer, year to year. Gamefreak and related developers change shit al the time, so "canon" isn't really the most reliable. Just decide what you want to follow as a writer and stick with that.

Reminder that no amount of hard work will overcome genetics, destiny, or natural aura.
Red completing a single region is equivalent to Ash completing 9.
Ash completing 9 regions is equivalent to a regular trainer completing 9000.
It's simply impossible for lowborns to compete with highborns. Don't let the peasants know that though, or else they might give up their roles as stepping stones for those greater than them.

>>57917657
>two retards on tg that argue back and forth about the definition of magic being something that causes wonder or not.
That's so stupid. Everyone knows that the definition of magic is something that can defeat magic.

>>57917537
>game-style setting
time to press dracovish to win

On an actual note with the power of hindsight I'd let him go to Sevii early and unlock later-introduced evolutions on some of his mons.

It would just be normal Ash with less filler (maybe a little of it?). If Red is to be a seperate character then I'd make Red a mysterious Champion-type that acts as a type of additional rival, challenging Ash and even helping him sometimes so that he can exceed him someday, and then once Ash beats Champion Lance (or loses I guess) Lance mentions that the true Champ Red is dicking around in Mt Silver and that's our motivation to go to the next region.

>>57917549
TTS would straight-up be better if Chase was the protagonist. Grace is a shit character.

In my setting aura does this

what if they were cute demons tho

>>57917578
…as opposed to everything associated with the girls?

Thoughts on making the MC an isekai reincarnation but never ever once mentioning it directly and just showing it through the MC knowing random things normal people should not know or thinking in terms alien to the pokemon world or making references to things people in the Pokemon world would never know and etc?
Never mentioning their past life, family, friends, etc.

>>57917798
I don't think it would work because it would be too obvious even without internal dialog, and an MC without any internal dialog I don't think will work.

A side character could work easily, have them helping out and getting odd things strangely correct

>>57917798
If they're also the POV character that sounds pretty weird.

>>57917798
Like >>57917820 said, hiding things from the reader even though we're seeing through the character's PoV is weird and can be kinda bad.
If the character itself is unaware then it could be fine, otherwise it defeats the point of the PoV.

I mean, can you imagine if someone wrote multiple PoVs of a character who was betraying everyone else but never actually wrote their treacherous thoughts and even tried to frame it in the prose to look innocent? Like, imagine if Lt Surge was like Ash's stepfather and we saw Surge's PoV multiple times but never once it was mentioned that he was working for Giovanni and poised to betray Ash at any moment.

>>57917798
You'd have to drop hints pretty often for the reader to make it work but I have seen alternative pov SI fics work well enough that it's not a bad idea.

>>57917830
>Like, imagine if Lt Surge was like Ash's stepfather and we saw Surge's PoV multiple times but never once it was mentioned that he was working for Giovanni and poised to betray Ash at any moment.
This could work if the characters themselves think they're doing the right thing tho

>>57917731
This is what Champion Aura does to a regular person btw, they don't even have to take out a pokeball

>>57917537
I was actually thinking about this today. Weird how that keeps happening. My idea was that Red and Ash were both kids from Pallet town, and Red was one of the trainers who got a starter from Oak the same day Ash did. As for the rival, I had two different possible ideas.

Ash, Red, Green, and Blue/Gary were the four trainers who all got their starters that day. Ash still considers Gary a rival, but Gary never actually battles or pays attention to him much in the anime. That's because Gary is actually in a rivalry with Red, who Ash never actually meets. Ash still loses in the Indigo League while Gary goes on to fight Red for the title and loses. Then Gary's normal anime + game story plays out. He ends up studying to become a professor AND eventually becomes the viridian gym leader. Very little has to actually change for Red and Ash to exist together, the only thing incompatible with them is Gary/Green.

Alternatively, and a bit more of a 'big' change, Green and Gary are BOTH Oak's grandkids. Maybe brothers, maybe cousins. Either he and Red (and Blue) started their journey's earlier, or they started at the same time and it is just never brought up. This allows for Gary and Green's stories to remain true.

>>57917863
To some extent. But for a character in their own mind to remain ignorant of the fact they're going to betray someone else even though they should know fully well that it will happen? That's just the author arbitrarily breaking the sanctity of the PoV by hiding things that should be visible for a gotcha shamalam twist later down the line.

>>57917863
This is the opposite of what happens in Game of Champions funnily enough

>>57917902
Huh, I thought exactly the same shit but with the manga... Though my idea ended up with him being more dangerous with a stick than as a trainer because a lot of people wanted to kill him thinking he was Red

>>57917798
Lame. I've got the rival as the isekaijin and he's going for pseudo-gen 6 meta team for singles. He may or may not have Necrozma's light hanging off him, too, with no context for how bad that can be.

What if Ash were BETRAYED and ABANDONED by all of his friends
Absolutely hilarious that people actually write fics about that

>>57917954
>They're dead
Shame honestly, it was pretty funny how far the BETRAYAL would go
>You eat my donut, I WILL TRAPPED AND BETRAYED YOUR ASS!!!!

>>57917798
There's a single isekai'd character in my fic, but it has literally nothing to do with the main plot. It's basically treated no different as the Ultra Recon Squad not being from Earth either.

I can't recall a pokemon story with an MC/SI/Isekai that deals with betrayal out of the get go. Or even the more "realistic" interaction of not staying with who they meet/the first interactions being with a trainer like paul or the average anon

That time I got reincarnated into the pokemon universe with the Betrayal cheat system

>>57917979
>System
Somehow worse than aura, the MC loses any agency

>>57917983
The system is just them in the future when they inevitably become God handing their past selves the budding seed of their immense power

>>57917979
>That time I sent my starter to die in a war alone so I could earn huge betrayal system rewards but they came back to me in a closed casket without deserting like I thought they would meaning they didn't betray me even to the end so I bring them back to life with a machine fueled by life sacrifice but they still stay by my side even though I killed so many to bring them back which forces me to use the machine as a weapon to kill millions making them finally leave me but the quest isn't marked as complete so I'm unable to finish another betrayal quest forcing me to wander the world in a daze trying to find them while I still have lifespan remaining until one day over 3000 years later a young trainer causes me to regret my heartless actions which brings my starter back to me and makes me realize they never truly left and were waiting for me all along so later that night I snapped their neck and they reflexively lashed out against me which technically counts as a betrayal so I get a huge payout and choose the reincarnate with mewtwo genes package for NG+

>>57917998
Solo leveling really is a perfect example of how shit systems are.
>>57917909
Yeah that would feel a bit too artificial. The only way for something like >>57917798 to work is to play it straight, but for them to be conscious of it. Way too often people who want to write mysterious Isekai stuff gloss over the "how the hell do you know that" reactions and keep it superficial and self-congratulatory. You'd have to straddle a fine line between the audience being clued into the Isekai being an Isekai and everyone else asking very pointed questions.

Would a witcher-like story work? Say monsters, real ones from myths, and fantasy races like elves, dwarfs and all that shit arrive thanks to Hoopa/Palkia/Ultra wormholes/muh multiverse conqueror Giovanni fucking up something and merging the Pokémon world with a more straight fantasy world

>>57918013
AZ please stop shitposting and go to bed. to use Floette as a fleshlight like she's wanted for years

>>57918013
>Mewtwo
Why? Victini genes would make you the Superman equivalent

>>57918031
That package costs too much, duh.

Darkrai genes to rape people in their dreams

>>57918032
Articuno then, ice powers are really underrated

>>57918042
oh no I stubbed my toe on a rock and died
ice is too weak

>>57918042
>Foster Freeze maxxing

I reincarnated as a 10 year old genius who was blessed by the Legendary Bird pokemon Articuno but instead of fighting the reincarnation of the demon lord who possessed MewTwo I will use my powers to live a slow life selling ice cream to trainers and building a harem of the strongest beach babes!

>>57918048
Just turn your ice into steam and hit the rock for super effective damage? Bro, your reddit min-maxing bro?

>>57917537
>without either bashfic
Do people routinely have Ash got dunked on by the game MCs or something?

>>57918098
He's beneath their notice at best and a student to teach at worst. He might get dunked on but it's usually in good faith to break through his stubbornness and force him to learn.

>>57918098
He gets dunked on by MCs period. Like stated a while back he's an easy protagonist to point out the flaws of. He's a chosen one that MCs can be better than pretty easily.

>>57918098
It used to be common but then SI stories multiplied and Ash along with the PCs were used mostly as extras to show how awesome is the SI

>>57918105
>>57918106
I know, I was just wondering if it was common in stories. I’ve never seen it myself.

>>57918106
>He's a chosen one
Is he? Movie 2 was only a dub thing and having a natural strong aura doesn’t make him a chosen by destino just a genetic freak like Sabrina

>>57918106
>he's an easy protagonist to point out the flaws of
Getting rid of his flaws, or Shudo's hateboner and Yuyama's autism in any case, would change a lot of things tho and I doubt memeta knowledge would keep the SI that far ahead.

Like the Silver story where he made the legal age to do the gym challenge be 12 so Ash spent two more years in his house but for some reason he's still the same ignorant fucker that knows nothing about Pokémon

>>57917916
QRD?

>>57918145
>but for some reason he's still the same ignorant fucker that knows nothing about Pokémon
As retarded as that may sound, there's some truth to that.
Look at how many people are utterly ignorant about anything technological despite how prevalent it is in your lives.
Hell, look at how many people here don't write despite wanting to. How many anons STILL haven't learned Japanese despite Japanese media being their entire passion. And that's with being grown-asses who should know better by know.
A dumb-ass kid saying "I wanna be the next Champion" and not even bothering to learn the type chart is as realistic as it gets.

>>57918159
> STILL haven't learned Japanese despite Japanese media being their entire passion
Learning other languages is retarded and pushed by disingenuous people

the rest is true, it would be as unsurprising for someone to not know a type advantage as it is for someone to not be able to do multiplication tables. It sounds stupid because it is.

>>57918185
t. EOP

>>57918159
>How many anons STILL haven't learned Japanese despite Japanese media being their entire passion
But anon,

>>57918159
Just you wait, I will master japanese to read all the Guin Saga novels, all the volumes

Pokemon is not about aura, it's about adventure

>>57918407
adventure? I'd rather be locked in one city and never step a single foot outside! Copypaste alleyways and empty rooftops? Sign me up!

what's the last fic you read?

>>57918580
New beginnings

>>57918580
Greatest Generalist Gym.
Pretty bland overall so far.

>>57918580
It's not Pokemon related, but... Deluge of Simplicity. A Dragon Ball and Genshin Impact crossover. Pretty good.

>>57918652
That title name sounds like a fancy way of saying 'A lot of Dumbasses'

New thread. NOW.

>>57918749
I would make it, but I wouldn't be able to keep myself from making it a shitpost.

Page 10, new thread
>>57918794