Thread 57912639 - /vp/ [Archived: 942 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:41:46 AM No.57912639
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why isn't there a single thread on this board about competitive pokemon? are you guys all brainlets here? why are 90% of the threads softcore porn threads? do you guys just jerk off and play single player games made for literal children? you could be playing competitively and using your brain and actually having fun.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:46:14 AM No.57912644
>>57912639 (OP)
>why isn't there a single thread on this board about competitive pokemon?
/vp/edos are campainshitters
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:46:21 AM No.57912645
>>57912639 (OP)
have you seen what the competitive playerbase consists of? Better to sexualize fictional children then real ones
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:47:34 AM No.57912647
>>57912639 (OP)
We had a tournament thread all weekend frogtard
>>57904079
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:50:57 AM No.57912652
>>57912647
oh apologies there is a singular one i guess.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:51:25 AM No.57912653
>>57912639 (OP)
Be the change you want to see and make threads about comp instead of being a whiny faggot and complaining about it
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:54:18 AM No.57912655
>>57912653
i prefer complaining.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:28:03 PM No.57912912
>>57912653
but he doesn't give a shit about discussing competitive, he just wants to bitch about the lack of discussion. It's like people who ask for Battle Frontier. Most don't care. They just want a reason to bitch
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:31:43 PM No.57912917
>>57912639 (OP)
>she plays """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""competitive"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" pokemon
kek
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:33:35 PM No.57912921
>>57912917
>she
getting called a she makes me hard :3
Replies: >>57912923
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:35:14 PM No.57912923
average_smoggy
average_smoggy
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>>57912921
we know it makes your agp go wild xista
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:36:41 PM No.57912924
>>57912923
yes, can you say it again :3
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:39:15 PM No.57912932
>>57912639 (OP)
Compthreads or comp generals have been tried for over a decade. They ALWAYS devolve into condescending ego shitflinging with no battles to back it up. Not even Showderp, the most lighthearted way you could run a comp general, was safe from hollow-boasting trannies shitting up the thread telling everyone how awful they are at everything they do.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:47:27 PM No.57912948
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>>57912639 (OP)
Competitive Pokemon is lame and boring. I just want to catch 'em all and collect pictures of Liko.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 2:48:45 PM No.57912952
>>57912639 (OP)
this but it's /jp/ and touhou
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:01:54 PM No.57912968
>>57912932
This.
Also people are burned out on Gen 9 now. Actual comp discussion will come backwhen ZA's new megas and Gen 10 come around
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:09:27 PM No.57912979
>>57912639 (OP)
if you wanted to use your brain and have fun playing a competitive game, you wouldn't choose pokemon
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:59:13 PM No.57913056
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>>57912639 (OP)
The format I play is so niche that I've never seen a single thread talking about it. It's a little disheartening since the community is full of literal trannies and faggots that I have to constantly interact with, so it would be nice to talk about it here. But no, I don't play the games anymore, and I barely even touch OU let alone any other smogon tier
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:59:55 PM No.57913058
>>57913056
what do you play
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:04:07 PM No.57913072
>>57913058
It's called draft league. It got popularized by jewtubers years ago, but it still lives on today being carried out through d*scord. It's highly competitive, skill intensive, and enjoyable for me
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:09:50 PM No.57913083
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>>57912952
>comp toho
wat
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:17:46 PM No.57913100
>>57912639 (OP)
It's a participation problem for sure. There used to be the competitive Pokemon general /cpg/ over a decade ago that had people eager to battle, but lack of interest besides the same set of people meant the threads kept dying while the anons that got to know each other well just made a channel on Showdown to have their discussions. They would attempt to make threads every now and then but they'd just die again. Showderp had been the next best bet but the draw there had been about making fun meme teams at the expense of cohesiveness instead. And even that has been dying over the years. The VGC threads probably house the most informed competitive discussion these days. There have been a few anons posting that they even topped at events.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:26:16 PM No.57913115
>>57912639 (OP)
competitive pokemon is genuinely horrible to play in all its forms. lots of autists and manchildren like it because it's heckin' nostalgic or it's literally their life, but games swinging entirely on uncontrollable RNG rolls like an ice beam freeze is beyond retarded.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:27:54 PM No.57913120
I think a thread dedicated to ideas is good, but the current regulation-I format is dominated by gen 8 and 9 restricteds(excepting Kyogre/Lunala) and so it's not super interesting to play like reg H was.
I've seen people try to make others work, Fire Tera Giratina-O threatens priority knockout on Caly-S and walls Caly-I. I tried making that work, but didn't do the things the truly good restricteds did and Miraidon's existence meant I needed to have trick room up in order to hit it with draco meteor - which if I guess wrong and it's tera-fairy then what?
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:29:50 PM No.57913124
>>57913100
>they even topped at events.
Ha
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:31:47 PM No.57913128
>>57913083
Scoring and LNNs
Basically they're severely autistic Japanese faggots and speedtrannies
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:31:49 PM No.57913129
Compfagging is gay, that's why
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:46:59 PM No.57913158
>>57913128
is tewi still op
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:48:03 PM No.57913161
>>57913158
Idk I don't play pofv
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:54:53 PM No.57913174
>>57913158
tewi is one of the worst characters
her charge 1 has no real offensive or defensive utility, her scope is more harmful to herself than anything else, her patterns are incredibly easy to dodge or counter bomb and her passive is a crutch when you could have something cracked like reimu or marisa's abilities instead
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:56:48 PM No.57913180
>>57913174
b-but usatei.... the memes...
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 4:59:18 PM No.57913185
>>57912639 (OP)
>why isn't there a single thread on this board about competitive pokemon?
Because Compshitters don't have rights and deserve to be lined up against a wall and publicly executed.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:02:11 PM No.57913191
>>57913185
me when i beat hgss for the 45th time and blogpost my hall of fame team cuz i used ledian this time
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:06:04 PM No.57913198
>>57912639 (OP)
Sir, this is an asylum for porn-addicted schizos
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:10:25 PM No.57913205
>>57912639 (OP)
No one has given a shit about competitive since gen 6.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:13:09 PM No.57913212
>>57913205
i have
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:21:44 PM No.57913229
>>57912639 (OP)
we need a pepe / wojak renaissance
Replies: >>57913289
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 5:55:40 PM No.57913289
>>57913229
And you need to kys tranny
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:35:40 PM No.57913597
>>57913056
>>57913072
>fanfic format of a fanfic format
yeah, it is for trannies
grow up and just play the main format, for your own good
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:36:41 PM No.57913600
>>57912932
unironic low elo post
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:53:21 PM No.57913662
>>57913600
Oh yeah? Post elo faggot.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 7:55:29 PM No.57913671
>>57913198
Sad but unfortunately true
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:10:09 PM No.57913906
>>57912639 (OP)
we had a /vp/ council thread but people got tired of the schizos it invited so it kinda fizzled out
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:11:10 PM No.57913907
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>>57912932
What the fuck. This is exactly what happened with our last attempt. How did you know? I've been here for a while but I've never seen comp generals tried.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:29:31 PM No.57913963
When the garbage designed restricted pokemon like calyrex and urshifu or non restricted like rilla and incin are the face of competitive pokemon theres bound to be no interest or just boredom
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:32:21 PM No.57913973
>>57913963
I'm pretty sure most people on /vp/ only play VGC or Gen 3 OU
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 9:36:53 PM No.57913985
>>57912639 (OP)
this board is full of campaignshitters who have never touched PvP in their lives and just stare at smogshit tier lists to pretend they have meaningful knowledge about the game

every time you see someone bitching that a type needs to be buffed/nerfed? itโ€™s a campaignshitter
every time you see someone posting a screencap of a smogon page? itโ€™s a campaignshitter
every time you see someone screeching about XY being too easy? itโ€™s a campaignshitter
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:04:20 PM No.57914053
>>57913597
>>fanfic format of a fanfic format
Yes. And it's miles more fun than whatever you think the main format is, so I'm going to stick to it
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:54:11 PM No.57914218
>>57913056
>>57913072
I have always been interested on draft leagues but I've no idea how to get into them at all. They all seem to be little communities and groups that do it. Does one really have to Discord? How does one even find those places?
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 10:56:13 PM No.57914226
>>57913985
>every time you see someone screeching about XY being too easy? itโ€™s a campaignshitter
>campaignshitters complaining about an aspect of the campaign they don't like
Oh no, the audacity. How could they care so much about the campaign?
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:05:10 PM No.57914265
>>57912639 (OP)
>why isn't there this thread?
>makes a thread whining rather than making the thread
smartest comp pokemon //player//
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 11:48:56 PM No.57914395
>>57914218
Unless you have a group of people all willing to play together in real life, discucking is unfortunately a requirement as they are all organized through there. Most servers have a channel where people shill their own leagues, so it's very easy to find something to join. It's also gotten popular enough to where smogon has its own draft section and they run tournaments there that you can sign up for every now and then
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 12:07:47 AM No.57914442
>>57914226
You would think if they cared about the campaign they would actually be good at it.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 12:13:24 AM No.57914456
i did enjoy competitive through the entire 3DS era. couldn't really get into it in SwSh at all, the dynamaxing shit was just so fucking uninteresting. i did slightly more with SV but that game is complete dogshit and i could only muster about 2 months worth of interest in competitive before i decided that other games were more worth my time.

i don't want to be done with pokemon games. i did enjoy PLA but that was more of a nice distraction for about 20-25 hours, rather than an obsession like this series used to be. until the games get better again, i'm gonna get enjoyment out of this series in the only way that's possible right now - through masturbating to pokemon. don't blame me. this is the state of the series right now. e621 does a better job of catering to my needs as a pokemon fan than gamefreak has been.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 12:15:47 AM No.57914462
> "competitive Pokรฉmon is the only thing that matters"
Catering to this mindset ruined Pokรฉmon. Also didn't VGC general used to be a thing?
Replies: >>57916359
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 1:31:07 AM No.57914719
>>57912639 (OP)
>>57912639 (OP)
it's because anytime someone tries to talk about the only format worth talking about, 6v6 singles, local VGC obsessed schizos sabotage and derail the threads. it's not worth trying.
Replies: >>57915012
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:20:09 AM No.57915012
>>57914719
Why does 6v6 singles cause so much seething?
Replies: >>57915053
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:39:26 AM No.57915051
>>57913597
You know there are VGC draft leagues, right? Draft League is just playing in a small, closed circuit where all Pokemon are unique and there are rules to divvy out the Pokemon in some way.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:40:30 AM No.57915053
>>57915012
Cuz no item clause
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:55:38 AM No.57915096
pika ew
pika ew
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>making a thread whining about the fact that the board doesn't have the threads you want to see, instead of just making the threads you want to see
A tale as old as 4chan itself.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:29:02 PM No.57916170
>>57913083
https://touhouworldcup.com/
Replies: >>57916355
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 3:44:23 PM No.57916197
All pokemon pvp talking should be on >>>/lgbt/ because anybody who like that shit is a fat tranny
Replies: >>57916301
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 4:53:58 PM No.57916301
>>57916197
kind of an easy thing to say about anything you dislike isn't it anon
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 5:01:16 PM No.57916318
>57916197
now THIS is what i call a low elo post
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 5:22:02 PM No.57916355
>>57916170
TWC needs to change up its format, it got boring fast. Add some funny restrictions like ultra patch or no focus
Replies: >>57928691
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 5:24:13 PM No.57916359
>>57914462
Relax champions will fix this
Replies: >>57921188
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 8:42:03 PM No.57916773
>>57912932
I always wanted a chill place to shoot the shit about comp. Theoryslop, team building, recent offmeta developments, ladder experiences stuff like that. But the people coming in carrying a huge ego in their back kind of just put a halt to all conversations.
Replies: >>57917761
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 9:13:13 PM No.57916848
>>57912639 (OP)
You are better off using /vm/ as things get derailed here quickly from people with nothing better to do as a genuine pasttime.
I don't participate in things on 4chan because my handles are not anonymous, but other than that I do a ton of stuff for in-person event hosting. Things are out there if you look for them, but you will not find much here on this specific board.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 10:01:43 PM No.57916980
Well, itโ€™s because me and a bunch of my friends used to keep it alive, and Gen 9 was the first time we collectively lost interest in both VGC and singles. Terra shit just simply isnโ€™t as engaging of a mechanic as the last 3 gimmicks. Truth be told, Gens 5 6 and 8 were very fun, but Gen 7 was the peak. We all just got tired of the forced new gimmick steamrolling the format each gen.

The only way we really engage in Gen 9 is during Best of 5 Randoms Gauntlets where anyone can pick any Gen. Thatโ€™s probably the most popular format among our group besides Gen 7 stuff or full on cart. Idk, I think weโ€™re all kind of hoping Gen 10 is able to do something fresh and exciting WITHOUT relying on a form-change gimmick that bottlenecks team options. Without a passion for competitive play, weโ€™ve just had no reason to hit up /vp/ in years. Maybe weโ€™ll be back to rev up the hype when Gen 10 starts showing us what itโ€™s made of.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 11:05:23 PM No.57917141
>>57913191
>Half-baked Gold and Shart Silver
I only play BW/2 because I'm an Unovachad.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 12:06:05 AM No.57917293
>>57912639 (OP)
>posts frog
>doesnโ€™t realize we also need more discussions of the anime that donโ€™t devolve into how fuckable Pokegirls and Pokeboys are
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 12:47:48 AM No.57917401
>>57912639 (OP)
What's the best gen to play?
Replies: >>57917442
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:00:33 AM No.57917442
>>57912932
This is pretty much what happened with the threads that were around up until a week or so ago, anons were having a good time discussing stuff related to bans, ADV, gen 4 and other metas like gen 7, 8 and 9. Then some faggot came along and started shitting up the thread nonstop by sucking his own dick and acting like a condescending cunt to everyone else, constantly trying to derail every single piece of discussion. An anon called him out by name (Musk) and he suddenly stopped for a good while.
Honestly I hate that mutts like this keep showing up, because people were sharing a ton of fun strategies they were using in ADV that I liked to try out myself.
>>57917401
ADV aka gen 3 is usually considered the best for competitive play, the format is pretty solid, not stally, not braindead hyperoffense, plenty of viable strategies and Pokemon. The mainstays of the meta aren't all gamebreaking monstrosities that bend everything around them to their whims. It's a really good starting place.
Replies: >>57917530 >>57917699
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:40:05 AM No.57917530
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>>57917442
>The mainstays of the meta aren't all gamebreaking monstrosities that bend everything around them to their whims
Well, except for one.
Replies: >>57917697 >>57917716
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 1:42:19 AM No.57917539
>>57912639 (OP)
>competitive pokemon
Most of the voices on SD have sub 1500 elo at this point lmao.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:31:33 AM No.57917697
>>57917530
Blissey pretty much controls the meta
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:32:03 AM No.57917699
>>57917442
Isn't Musk just some random literal who tripfag attentionwhore who posts in lets play threads?
Replies: >>57917727
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:35:26 AM No.57917706
>>57912948
Based Liko enjoyer
Replies: >>57925287 >>57929584
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:38:56 AM No.57917716
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>>57917530
Ttar is a force of nature, he appears, he throws sand in your face, doesn't let you eat your lunch in peace, then gets deleted by another Pokemon and all that's left to prove he was there is sand everywhere.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:43:12 AM No.57917727
>>57917699
Yes, he's also terminally online and loves shitting up threads on /vp/ and /v/, there's a good chance he's also friends with Delcattynigger and whoever's pretending to be Shaun considering they were raiding /v/ last week at the same time.
Replies: >>57917733
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:46:29 AM No.57917733
>>57917727
makes sense. most of what he said was vapid or looked generated by chatgpt assuming we're talking about the same guy
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 2:58:12 AM No.57917761
>>57912639 (OP)
compshitters are retarded bedwetters and people who piss in their own sheets aren't welcome here

>>57916773
reddit is unironically better for that because the empty ego posts get banned
Replies: >>57918235
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:36:36 AM No.57918235
>>57917761
but i can't say nigger on reddit...
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:59:18 AM No.57918271
smogon
smogon
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>>57912639 (OP)
Where do you play competitive pokemon these days?
Replies: >>57918285 >>57918432
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:14:56 AM No.57918285
>>57918271
pokemonshowdown.com
just close the chat and you won't see the scawy rainbows
Replies: >>57918295
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:24:37 AM No.57918295
>>57918285
I don't jump through hoops for uppity faggots.
Replies: >>57918316 >>57918432 >>57919384
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:39:04 AM No.57918316
>>57918295
ok then go ahead and let fags prevent you from playing a game that you enjoy. loser
Replies: >>57918327
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:48:00 AM No.57918327
>>57918316
Better that than me asking their permission to play.
Replies: >>57918432 >>57919384
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:15:27 AM No.57918361
>>57912639 (OP)
Pokemon fans, as a generalized community, include completely incompatible groups, with different interests and hyperfixations. Competitive players need actual useful discussion in order to have fun or learn. Anonimity and no clear subdivisions within the Pokemon board are a death sentence to any real competitive discussion, specially when you have much more functional alternatives that are not filled with people that never touched competitive: animefags, porn obsessed retards (50% of the board) or autists obsessed with genwar shitflinging and singleplayer.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:11:07 AM No.57918432
>>57918271
>>57918327
>>57918295
gamers love making up reasons not to play games lmfao
Replies: >>57919555
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:15:03 AM No.57918436
Pokemon Champions
Pokemon Champions
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>>57912639 (OP)
This site is too full of normies, election tourist, and gooners to have real conversations about competitive anything. Gotta wait for Champions to release since you can't get normies interested in something unless it's on mobile.
Replies: >>57918447
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:22:35 AM No.57918447
>>57918436
No it's not. You are retarded. Read the thread.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:29:04 AM No.57918450
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>>57912644
>>57913985
We must make it a rule amongst ourselves to demand people using the word "campaignshitter" to post their ELO or ranking on cart with timestamp.
Replies: >>57918592 >>57925437
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 12:26:13 PM No.57918592
>>57918450
What would be an acceptable elo in your opinion?
Replies: >>57918613 >>57919396
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 12:33:29 PM No.57918613
>>57918592
1500. I don't know anything about how ELO works but I know the default is 1000 so it will at least show they play
Replies: >>57919028 >>57925441
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 3:11:27 PM No.57918824
>>57912639 (OP)
90% of serious compfags are attentionwhores with huge egos. Compfagging and anonymity doesn't mix. Simple as.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:34:30 PM No.57919028
>>57918613
It actually varies by format, depending on how many players there are. 1500s is mid for whatever the current OU is, shitter tier for randbats, and upper 70% for most of the older gens or other metas.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:35:15 PM No.57919384
>>57918295
>>57918327
Only uppity faggot here is (You).
Replies: >>57919555
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:39:43 PM No.57919396
>>57918592
I'd like any proof yawnfag even plays the game.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:05:26 PM No.57919487
Maybe we should make a discord? Smogon, reddit, and /vp/ have too many issues
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:28:12 PM No.57919555
>>57918432
>>57919384
You retards couldn't come up with a single other answer of how to play competitive without relying entirely on smogon queers. Take a seat.
Replies: >>57919557 >>57919635 >>57928690
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:29:09 PM No.57919557
>>57919555
>you couldn't come up with a single way to play online battle sims without relying on the single best online battle sim
damn you got me there cuh
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:53:16 PM No.57919635
>>57919555
>how to play competitive
You could try being a man and playing on cart.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:19:57 PM No.57919722
1649462091219
1649462091219
md5: d9744f5c157dcbad75aa614e11a73b0a๐Ÿ”
>>57912639 (OP)
>competitive pokemon
>using your brain

Since when?
Replies: >>57919982
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:51:19 PM No.57919982
>>57919722
This shit is so sad. Watch any Jimothy solo Mon meme ladder video. People constantly try to spike and roar.
Replies: >>57920040 >>57920530
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:18:15 PM No.57920040
>>57919982
>he doesn't run 3 boots and 2 leftovers
Replies: >>57920043
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:19:10 PM No.57920043
>>57920040
Gen 3
Replies: >>57920052
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:20:27 PM No.57920052
>>57920043
what are you doing at gen 3 grandpa
Replies: >>57920119 >>57920184
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:34:52 PM No.57920119
>>57920052
It's the most popular oldgen
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:56:20 PM No.57920184
>>57920052
Gen 3 is stable, has a meta that's just ripe enough for experimentation, yet very set in stone, as it's pretty obvious what works well in it. ADV is like an old pub that never quite went out of style despite the fact it's been a long time since it's hayday, it's just a fun place to spend an afternoon with your old friends, just keep in mind there's gonna be sand everywhere no matter where you sit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:45:53 AM No.57920530
>>57919982
he's playing in low ladder when he encounters such
Replies: >>57921760
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:47:59 AM No.57920537
Competitive was only fun when it was Gen 4. Everything else past that is gay and before that is jank.
Replies: >>57921166 >>57921762 >>57922625
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:07:18 AM No.57921166
>>57920537
>Gen 4 is largely considered to be by far the worst generation for competitive play across most of it's formats
>Gen 4 OU is so shit that it has earned an infamous reputation for being unplayable and ruining people's desire to play Pokemon
>The Lavos incident comes to mind
>Fun generation
You couldn't make it any more obvious you never touched comp, and especially gen 4.
Replies: >>57922957 >>57923045
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:14:08 AM No.57921188
>>57916359
I doubt it.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:21:53 AM No.57921212
Anyone trying to make other legendaries work in reg I?
Note: I'm not good nor pretend to be, I've tried a few odd pairings and I'm not good enough to pilot them.
Replies: >>57921342 >>57925452
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:23:11 AM No.57921216
ekans food
ekans food
md5: 86db3d509c9a51a9b1162329da74a13b๐Ÿ”
>>57912639 (OP)
Why are the Cynthia threads not banned for good yet? Do you agree that vp would be fixed if all cynthaitrannies were banned forced or what
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:15:01 AM No.57921342
>>57921212
I've been mostly trying to make two of my favorites in Delphox and Gallade work with a gimmicky Psychic Terrain, while also experimenting with running Competitive mons like Killowatrel or Empoleon to counter the near omnipresent Incineroar, so I haven't touched legendaries much, although I have tried assault vest Groudon on a few occasions to try and stop Miraidon spam with admitedly mixed results.
Replies: >>57921352
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:21:33 AM No.57921352
Dialga-O not pulling its immense weight
Dialga-O not pulling its immense weight
md5: 566a47f56fdbc89b8149222998ba22eb๐Ÿ”
>>57921342
Miraidon is a bastard if trick room isn't up.
I've tried to make a handful of restricteds work. I hate having to run the horse, either of them.
Giratina is in theory decent in the meta, but there's so many things that foil it. Both Calyrexs don't like it, but if there's any redirection then it doesn't matter.
Dialga I've only used to set TR, it's powerful, but I ran into imprison Indeedee before which is awful and even if I set up TR it could have just reversed it.
Bane of my existence, speed control is everything.
I intentionally keep a safety goggles Alcremie in order to decorate if I don't see a Follow Me user. That has been fun.
Replies: >>57921406
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:40:02 AM No.57921406
>>57921352
I grew to fucking despise Miraidon after my short stint of playing VGC, even more than Flutter, Miraidon just one shots everything, even if what you have resists it, it's going to be left at 20% or even less if it clicks Electro Drift or Draco Meteor, and it still has Overheat and a few other bits of coverage to destroy the few things that in theoy should put a stop to it, that's not even factoring Tera being used. I also tried Lugia once or twice with Tera Ground + Calm Mind, it's not great truth be told, but it's arguably the funniest way I found of fucking over Miraidon and Flutter specifically.
Replies: >>57921438 >>57925454
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:40:12 AM No.57921407
i have no friends to tell but i got to 1600 on OU for the first time today :3
Replies: >>57921519
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:50:28 AM No.57921438
>>57921406
Tera-Fairy Miraidon is what I've run in the past. Miraidon has the most incredible synergy between its ability and stabs that it requires 0 setup, it survives a surprising number of neutral attacks, and like you said nukes basically everything.
Once again GF has created a box legendary that needs a nerf and I don't know where that should come from really because a lot of its damage comes from baked-in game mechanics. I guess just force it to use booster energy to activate quark drive rather than setting up electric terrain and being self-initiating. That would be a massive nerf though.
Replies: >>57921519
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:22:55 AM No.57921519
>>57921407
Based anon, in which gen 9?
>>57921438
I think setting up terrain by itself would be enough, but no, it has to get an extra 30% boost for free, on top of everything else, it's telling that Zacian was somehow more balance than this, if only slightly.
Replies: >>57921530
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:28:49 AM No.57921530
>>57921519
yep gen 9. and it only took a few weeks from the time i started playing gen 9 at all so pretty happy about it. next goal is top 500 one day.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:01:50 AM No.57921760
>>57920530
No
Replies: >>57922940
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:02:22 AM No.57921762
>>57920537
The only jank gen is 1 for sure. You're just afraid of pre PSS gameplay
Replies: >>57922218
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:13:11 AM No.57921774
do you guys have any youtubers you like to watch? not slop but actually helpful content? i can't really find any.
Replies: >>57922596 >>57922952
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:31:55 AM No.57921803
1749441298890970
1749441298890970
md5: 382bcc50e937911e37bc0e3faf094bb1๐Ÿ”
>>57912639 (OP)
>do you guys just jerk off and play single player games made for literal children?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:21:33 PM No.57922218
>>57921762
>the only jank gen is 1
>not the gen with the one pokemon with the single highest usage ever of any pokemon in any format in any tier.
>it's even the most used mon in its gen's Ubers despite being """OU""" (because it just is ok?)
Replies: >>57922240 >>57922549
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:36:29 PM No.57922240
>>57922218
You shouldn't be playing singles anyway.
The pokemon with the highest usage still manages to be Incineroar and then Caly-S.
I hate gen 8's legendaries.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:19:12 PM No.57922549
>>57922218
That is not what jank means you fucking retard
Replies: >>57922617
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:29:48 PM No.57922570
>>57912639 (OP)
Of course they are. Why do you think Legdns is /vp/'s favorite entry? It's because you barely have to battle and there's no online component at all
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:39:24 PM No.57922596
cringe
cringe
md5: 790ee405596531cfeef5a48144221aa5๐Ÿ”
>>57921774
>Watching Poketubers
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:46:56 PM No.57922617
>>57922549
Horrible imbalance = jank numbnuts
Replies: >>57923008
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 6:50:11 PM No.57922625
>>57920537
prebank xy was the most fun comp has ever been
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:48:28 PM No.57922940
>>57921760
sorry to burst your bubble timmy but even 1400s is low ladder, including 1300s
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:51:33 PM No.57922952
>>57921774
older BKC videos are useful for someone who's got decent intelligence and doesn't have enough experience to know that much about the discussed metagame; watch on the fastest speed possible
Replies: >>57923002
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:53:18 PM No.57922957
>>57921166
Gen 4 and all the nugens have equally bad reps, but from what numbers I saw Gen 4 OU is the 3rd most played oldgen
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:11:42 PM No.57923002
>>57922952
Or you could just win battles
Replies: >>57923038
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:12:19 PM No.57923008
>>57922617
Wrong. Jank is jank. A pokemon being good isn't jank it's just bad balance
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:21:18 PM No.57923038
>>57923002
it takes several years just to get good, let alone to explore much of a meta's obscurities
so far from that
Replies: >>57923199
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:25:38 PM No.57923045
>>57921166
Whatโ€™s the lavos incident?
Replies: >>57923132 >>57923653
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:57:52 PM No.57923132
>>57923045
a nigga d1 crashed out after gettin' bopped and straight merc'd cuz of hax in gen4ou
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:05:17 PM No.57923148
>>57912639 (OP)
Most "competitive" threads are just people being unable to comprehend Pokemon still having mons that aren't on their team.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:25:34 PM No.57923199
>>57923038
No it doesn't. You sound fat
Replies: >>57923234
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 10:38:20 PM No.57923234
>>57923199
low elo post
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:34:20 PM No.57923402
I'm having a bit of trouble with this team. I feel like I need more of a physical presence, but I don't know who to replace. Any advice is appreciated.
https://pokepast.es/f8deaba5f8a64587
Replies: >>57923494 >>57924381
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 12:11:03 AM No.57923494
>>57923402
next time label that this is nugen garbage plz
Replies: >>57924594
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:13:04 AM No.57923653
F0iGIeTWAAI8EBs
F0iGIeTWAAI8EBs
md5: 22f0fd67240cf682990b9022015569d0๐Ÿ”
>>57923045
A tard had to put up with the absolute dogshit that is smogon, had every shitty thing possible happen to him during a match, rightfully got pissed off, concluded Pokemon was dogshit and had far too many RNG elements and then wrote an infamous post before calling out the dogshit behavior smogon and the groomed zoomoids in it were fostering, how it was ruining serious competitive play, and much else, he soon after got banned. A lot of fags laughed at Lavos when this happened, however the more time passes, the more correct his post proves itself.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 1:46:17 AM No.57923718
153748
153748
md5: b38f8baaf9d023709bc34e3abb073633๐Ÿ”
Trannyfrog isn't a pokemon either, sorry to tell you.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:40:25 AM No.57924278
>>57912948
Floragato is the best part of that picture.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:43:55 AM No.57924381
>>57923402
It's pretty hard if you wanna stick to the 6 regenerators theme. If not i can try to help.
Replies: >>57925943 >>57926270
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:50:40 AM No.57924594
>>57923494
So that someone can post a team from a format you actually paly and you can say "lol low ladder team" or some condescending bullshit? Fuck off dipshit, you fucking kill all discussion here and then complain when people don't want to talk about your favorite format
Replies: >>57924643
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:47:04 AM No.57924643
>>57924594
so I can know when not to waste time clicking on something I don't care about
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:03:12 PM No.57925287
marniewon
marniewon
md5: 41b296491076a474118c2b0249d2fdb1๐Ÿ”
>>57917706
MT NANE ISNT SHAUN AND NONE OF TEM ARE MY FRIENDS

I HATE ALL OF YOU

NONR OF YOU NIGGERS EVER HELP ME YOU COONS

SYAY MAKING LIES ABOUT ME AND STOP PRETENDING I LIKE THEM HEEB

DIE OFF
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:23:29 PM No.57925338
Gen 10 introduces a new ability that is basically redirection for as long as that pokemon is on the field. Call it "Ire Draw" or something.
It has no retreating moves, but is very bulky specially and physically. Is this pokemon broken?
Replies: >>57925362 >>57925370
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:34:51 PM No.57925362
>>57925338
I don't understand what this means...
Replies: >>57925389
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:38:59 PM No.57925370
>>57925338
>type: Grass/Dark
It'd be fine
Replies: >>57925389
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 4:50:00 PM No.57925389
One more ability: Spread moves are forced single target when this pokemon is on the field. Call it like "Funnel" or something.
What do you think that does?
>>57925362
Of course you don't.
>>57925370
>dark/ice
Never stood a chance.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:19:08 PM No.57925437
Screenshot_20250620_111313_Chrome
Screenshot_20250620_111313_Chrome
md5: 116c65e582def0185ad461b9c349329a๐Ÿ”
>>57912639 (OP)
They last a varying degree here but 9 times out of ten end up devolving into Skub-tier fights over Smogon vs VGC, or sometimes injecting/hacking vs not.
Once in a blue moon you'll get people actually talking about the meta in good conversation but they usually don't last.
>>57918450
And then we have these fucks who derail a conversation with the Strawman/No True Scottsman combo "you must prove you are ranking high (implying erroniously that high elo shows 1 to 1 your overall compotency at this game at the cost of doxxing yourself) for your point to stand. A broken clock is correct twice a day and a high elo don't mean jack shit.

Anyway, I'm contemplating running a snow team for Aurora Veil coverage and Blizzard spam from Bundle in Reg I, contemplating giving Smeargle Aurora Veil to shake up my setup. Anyoen run snow in a post legend doubles format or can rec partners for this core?
Replies: >>57925447 >>57925453
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:20:53 PM No.57925441
Screenshot_20250605_173825_YouTube
Screenshot_20250605_173825_YouTube
md5: eab994d4e0948290680653ab56428d0e๐Ÿ”
>>57918613
>I don't know anything about how ELO works but
Lurk more, post less.
Replies: >>57926007
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:22:58 PM No.57925447
>>57925437
>the retard schizo running into competitive threads to bitch about XY criticisms doesn't need to prove he plays the games
You're why /vp/ sucks.
Replies: >>57925463
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:24:56 PM No.57925452
>>57921212
We all know the two Calys, Zamazenta, bike lizards, and Groudon/Kyogre are fine, but I'm glad other legends like Ho-Oh or Lunala are also going strong. Really, I think if you aren't a subpar legend (Mewtwo, Lugia, Giritina) you can do something. I like to run Palkia with a wide lense, he partners well not just with Kyogre but Caly I for Trick Room plays and damage swapping. Remember that Palkia x4 resists both water and fire, you cam eat a full health Kyogre Water Spout in rain no problem.
Replies: >>57925475
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:25:55 PM No.57925453
>>57925437
I remember seeing a AV Kyurem-W team that spams Blizzard, you can setup snow with prankster Tornadus(tailwind support too) or Abomasnow or Ninetailes. Freeze Dry keeps you in the game against water typed, Earth Power is huge coverage, and then you decide what you need in the 4th slot.
If you do get Aurora Veil up then you are pretty well invincible and Kyurem never needs to leave the field.
Just my 2 cents.
Replies: >>57925469 >>57925563 >>57925600
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:26:13 PM No.57925454
>>57921406
What kills me is even if Neutralizing Gas shuts off Orichalcum Pulse/ Hadron Engine's boosts it still lets the terrain/sun come up and that's just retarded. As One functions perfectly fine. Total bullahit.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:30:24 PM No.57925463
>>57925447
I imagine a retarded idea if obvious speaks for itself and if not obvious would need to be tested for even a seasoned player to see its shortcomings, you do know how playtest-intensive this game and its metas are, and it's not like Pokemon is a "one size fits all solution" kind of game.
Honestly 'post elo' is no different than 'oh yeah? List 5 good [X] to prove you have good taste'; if I do the goalposts can always be moved, or the subjective opinions and crafted ridicule will always overcome points and ideas regardless of how salient they are or aren't. /b/-tier shitposting will get us nowhere fast.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:34:33 PM No.57925469
>>57925453
Ive seen specs blizzard kyurem but never ass vest, that sounds pretty versitile considering kyurem has a decent movepool for his type.
It's funny, I know of the defensive power of ice in snow but I always want to tera out of ice for type vullnerability anyway.
Torn Tw does sound so helpful though considering I fear suppression or just getting outpowered by other faster threats. I think I'm seeing less dual screens Grimmsnarl than I was last month (I have not been watching the recent tours, could be wrong) so I'm hoping to capitalize on being bulkier than my opponent.
What do you think sounds like a good 2nd restricted to put in my ice core?
Replies: >>57925491 >>57925563
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:36:37 PM No.57925475
>>57925452
I've been running a coverage heavy Caly-I set, seed bomb catches a lot of Kyogres by surprise.
Trick Room is run by Dialga-O instead of Caly-I. The only thing concerning is that Dialga is my only TR setter, I must lead with it, and within the first few turns I need to set it up and not allow it to be stalled out.
Replies: >>57925512
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:41:15 PM No.57925491
>>57925469
It's always easy to recommend one of the horses, probably Caly-S because it can give your opponent tunnel vision since it's such a fast threat.
AV Kyurem would seriously appreciate life dew support if it plans to stay on the field.
Replies: >>57925563
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:46:25 PM No.57925512
>>57925475
As long as it isnt that gay leech seed set, holy shit how much I hate how functional that strat is, and this is coming from a fucker who ran A-Muk for a minute.
Interesting issue, I can only picture Dialga similarly to Archualadon without the Electro Shot or Stamina/Body Press. Do you even run Roar of Time or just Draco Meteor? I think another TR setter would greatly help but I'd need to see your team to be confident in saying that. I wanted to run Caly I with Imprison but had 4 moveslot syndrome really bad.
Replies: >>57925524 >>57925549
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:50:24 PM No.57925524
>>57925512
Nah, since randos are closed team sheet, it's clear amulet, glacial-horsepower-seed bomb-protect
Once TR is up, it becomes very difficult to wall it because of the coverage. Fire-tera Giratina-O is the only thing that could wall it that I can think of.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:57:33 PM No.57925542
>>57912639 (OP)
you aside from the wifi battling threads, the vgc ones, the one for the specific meme format on the meme battle simulator?

Why don't you actually post something worth talking about then. Until then there isn't any value in random circlejerk threads.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 5:59:57 PM No.57925549
>>57925512
DialgaO is only running its stabs, it doesn't miss out on its most important ko's by running only dragon pulse, the spatk drop isn't worth it to me since it stays on the field for a while. Even AV Miraidon is still a damage roll for a KO if I did run Draco.
I wish I was brave enough to run earth power over protect on it, but I'm not.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:03:43 PM No.57925563
>>57925453
>>57925469
>>57925491
It just occured to me Bundle can learn Aurora Veil too. I'm trying to run a scenario in my head where I put Light Clay on Bundle, lead Bundle/Miraidon, Volt Switch out into Ninetales and get the Veil up, but that would require Miraidon to be faster with or without Quark Drive and I just don't see that happening.
Also as good as Torn would be to this set, Torn + Bundle and Ninetales all share rock weaknesses. Not too many Rock types running around but I always hate triple weaknesses on teams even in a tera format.
>life dew
Clefairy is my first thought, but you know I really want to see Cresselia tried this format. Lunar Blessing is insanley good especially if I am running a dual screen team.
Replies: >>57925592
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:12:14 PM No.57925592
>>57925563
Yeah, friend guard would be insane.
I know it would be dumb, but a scarfed A-Ninetails and Kyurem-W lead sets up snow and Aurora Veil.
Turn 2 you can switch eviolite Clefairy and suddenly Kyurem might be invincible. It's really gimmicky and you still have another restricted in the back.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:15:25 PM No.57925600
>>57925453
4th slot would need to be shadow ball for Lunala, thing is really difficult to get rid of.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:24:12 PM No.57925617
an naic team
an naic team
md5: 0fa05ec03446c2d2259d952dc745d2e2๐Ÿ”
He went 5-3 at NAIC. The most interesting teams died off in round 8.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:34:35 PM No.57925640
Screenshot_20241228_134215_YouTube
Screenshot_20241228_134215_YouTube
md5: 5982d7d1f47d85e3f96f00166c8ff08e๐Ÿ”
I'm going to level with you guys. I do not like open teamsheet. I don't think suprise teras are that big of a deal enough to say it ruins competitive integrity. I think it's only good is that it is a decent response to the faggots that form cliques and cabals to share intel on the suprise tactics and sets to top players, which is extraordinarily niggerdly. Ladder was made CTS, still is to this day. I think Team Preview forced in gen 5 is one thing and an overall good addition, but this level of intel makes the game less interesting. If you lose to a suprise gimmick your team or your brain weren't flexible enough, you didn't know enough about the game's combos and possibilities, and therefor deserved the loss fair and square.
Replies: >>57925680 >>57925710 >>57929582
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 6:45:45 PM No.57925680
>>57925640
Yeah, I think closed team sheets is preferable.
If we MUST have open team sheets then at least hide the movesets, items, and abilities, only reveal the teras. There's legitimately no reason those should be available.
The reason they do it is for the purpose of streaming so friends of competitors can't just reveal what their opponent has ahead of time.
Replies: >>57925710 >>57929582
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:00:35 PM No.57925710
>>57925640
>>57925680
have fun gettin' scouted tards
Replies: >>57925742 >>57925743
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:10:58 PM No.57925742
>>57925710
Can only really happen overnight.
The swiss rounds happen every hour so it's rare there's much time to converse in a sea of people.
Replies: >>57925807
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:10:58 PM No.57925743
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>>57925710
Scouting is like hacked Pokemon on GTS trades; it's not the system's fault this is happening, it's selfish dickholes who take advantage of the system. I will not be mad at cts over scouting when I should more properly attribute that to the players for ruining a good thing.
Also this proves Global/Online events are king. Works fine there! Why can't we have more that offer serious points towards Worlds instead of shitty events run by trannies, powered by switch docks that may get unplugged or tripped and quit your match because they never implimented reconnection protocols, and where you have to drive 6 hours or hop on a plane to get to? I haven't had a PC in a 3 hour radius of me since Sun/Moon, and unlike these nepo babies I can't afford to take weekends off, fly out across the country and get a hotel in a big metropolitan area alone just to go 5-3 (round 1 loss too).
I realize I'm hopping from issue to issue but Christ alive does it sometimes suck to be a Pokemon VGC player. Despite official mechanics constantly dicking Smogon 6v6 singles playstyle they at least never have this problem because, in general, Showdown is more optimal and fun to play than genuine cart.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 7:30:45 PM No.57925807
>>57925742
All it takes is 1 text in a group chat.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:05:04 PM No.57925943
>>57924381
>if you wanna stick to the 6 regenerators
My opponent losing progress literally every time I switch IS pretty fun. I just lose to any special wall Hydrapple can't crack. Enemy Slowkings are a nightmare.
Replies: >>57926002
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:22:40 PM No.57926002
>>57925943
maybe you could switch alomomola for something else since wish probably isn't too useful because all the other mons have regenerator. maybe something like SD gliscor to break walls. could also swap cyclizar for great tusk for some more damage while keeping rapid spin. and it would give you stealth rocks as well which you would really want on a team like this. those 2 would also give you electricity immunity which you would probably want. idk there are probably a lot of things you could change but these seem like a few obvious improvements to me
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:24:50 PM No.57926007
>>57925441
this is the board for talking about pikachu and jigglypuff not for your failed attempts and egomaxxing because you know how a 100 year old tennis ranking system works
Replies: >>57926095 >>57928703
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:38:35 PM No.57926037
>>57912639 (OP)
>frogposter makes a dogshit thread
who would've thought?
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 8:59:25 PM No.57926095
>>57926007
>doesnt know how it works but he promotes it
Ishiggydiggy. Maybe reddit is more your speed tier. Do I need to explain how those work too?
Replies: >>57926134 >>57927566
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 9:14:38 PM No.57926134
>>57926095
Kek I once had someone say
>ummm, get the fanfic meta out of your head sweaty
when I said something had a good speed tier. /vp/edos do not play this game.
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:06:22 PM No.57926270
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>>57924381
I had a blast running a full regenerator team a while back, the trick is to always have every possible resistance or immunity available, assault vest Glowking is so incredibly bulky that even Miraidon's nukes weren't coming close to one shooting or even two shooting, the team became a bizarre almost stall team despite being incredibly offensive, Tera Ground Toxapex just staying there and clicking either Icy Wind or Acid Spray and applying so much pressure without even leaning into the more stally side of things was hilarious, Hydrapple became the team's ace despite Ho-oh being the restricted, Syrup Bomb slowdown constantly forced my opponent's to switch due to the slowdowns eventually being too much and Fickle Beam landing FULL POWER hits 4 times in a roll sometimes came in surprisingly clutch, Ho-oh does Ho-oh things and Amoongus was an annoying piece of shit, as is usual, the other members of the team varried a bit, occasionally I considered switching in Koraidon or trying some stupid stuff with Psychic Terrain support from Indeedee.
I hate that we don't have Gossifleur or Tangrowth in gen 9, Leech Seed bullshit mixed in with regenerator would be incredibly fun in the most retarded way possible.
Replies: >>57926322
Anonymous
6/20/2025, 10:21:32 PM No.57926322
>>57926270
it could work to a certain degree i guess. it's just that his team lacks a lot. it seems really easy for a mon to set up and sweep since he doesn't have any unaware mons, just haze on pex isn't really enough to stop much. and he doesn't have any way to break certain walls like blissey. in theory it sounds fun but in practice probably at most like 3 regenerators would work much better.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:46:29 AM No.57927566
>>57926095
Promotes it? He's not promoting it. He's talking about it on a surface level. All you need to know is that bigger points higher player which he clearly got. Did you not get that from his post? Why you trying to stir up some dead end argument so bad? On a Friday no less, your life must be miserable lol
Replies: >>57928266 >>57928853
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 1:45:44 PM No.57928266
>>57927566
>All you need to know is that bigger points higher player
You also need to know that ELO systems reward playing more games and maintaining a single account.
Also there's the notion that a less skilled player can't have insight into the game.
Really there's a bunch of fallacies with the "number good" line of thinking.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 5:59:30 PM No.57928688
>start gen 3 ou this month
>just make meme monotype teams because funny
>decide to use a starmie lead
>fucker rapes 90% of lead match ups and baits in bliss
>instant 1k to 1400 elo in a day
Wtf? Is it that easy? I don't expect to be a good or big player, but I wasn't expecting to get that close
Replies: >>57928732 >>57930603
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:01:10 PM No.57928690
>>57919555
I already said compshitters are subhuman.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:01:24 PM No.57928691
>>57916355
it's a shame you feel that way
i enjoy watching players achieving feats on the fringes of human possibility live personally
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:05:00 PM No.57928703
>>57926007
>This is a board to talk about Pikachu and Jigglypuff
Then why is it full of threads of people wanting to fuck underaged characters and animals and why is it full of bait genwar thread despite it being against the rules?
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:13:35 PM No.57928732
>>57928688
Offensive Starmie is a known n00b-stomper. Lead Starmie, especially full modest, is a strategy which is extremely effective when facing a special defense weak team, hence why pros never use it (Blissey and Defensive Jirachi too common).

You're still in low ladder so you may find it plateauing at some point sooner than later. There's no known way to make it consistent and reliable in higher echelons of play,
Replies: >>57930482
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 6:50:12 PM No.57928853
giphy
giphy
md5: f8a120c65967e12176ae7e14dbb3fc61๐Ÿ”
>>57927566
Using it as a metric of experience and skill is promoting it for using it as a metric of expeirence and skill, which is strange considering he admits to knowing very little about it, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IS PARSING THROUGH GOOD AND BAD OPINIONS ON THIS GAME. Genuinley I don't know how to artificially construct or write a more illuminating case of irony.
>he doesn't have a full time salary'd job he can shitpost during
Ngmi
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:39:45 PM No.57929578
Bump
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:40:30 PM No.57929582
>>57925640
>>57925680
We played closed teamsheet for over two decades with no issue whatsoever, open team sheet got implemented because GF was too retarded to somehow code-in locking boxes this generation despite being able to before, and now suddenly you had all these people acting like if this makes the game a million times better because "now gimmicky and meme and surprise teams won't be getting undeserved wins" and a shitton other strawman arguments that before open team sheet happened literally not a single person in the whole world was complaining about.
Motherfucker, if some gimmicky meme shit is beating you then you're just a shitter, if someone is beating you with a team that relies on just the surprise factor then that's on you, we're playing bo3 for a reason.
Meanwhile the Japan circuit who actually has to deal with that shit because theirs is bo1 single elimination kept mogging at worlds.
Really felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Replies: >>57929595 >>57929847 >>57930482 >>57930571
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:41:13 PM No.57929584
emmydook
emmydook
md5: 85956a8aede40018d93079d6d0a46976๐Ÿ”
>>57917706
STOP MYING ABOUT ME

MY ANME ISNT SHAUN AND NONE OF YOU KIKES ARE MY FRIENDS

YOU NIGGERS TRIED DOXXING MY FRIENDS RESTAURANT LIKE THE COMMIE KIKES YOU ARE

GO BACK TO CECOT
Replies: >>57929645
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:42:53 PM No.57929595
>>57929582
I want the gimmicky teams anyway.
This reg I is cancer to watch and play.
Anonymous
6/21/2025, 11:52:58 PM No.57929645
>>57929584
Outplayed, outskilled, outwitted, outsped, out-predicted, out-maneuvered, take the L
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 1:01:14 AM No.57929847
>>57929582
>and now suddenly you had all these people acting like if this makes the game a million times better because "now gimmicky and meme and surprise teams won't be getting undeserved wins" and a shitton other strawman arguments that before open team sheet happened literally not a single person in the whole world was complaining about.
I bet they are all Switch 2 buyfags, sounds like the slurping of a brainrotted shill ala Joe Merrick
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:05:29 AM No.57930482
>>57928732
He could try Calm Mind passes with something like Jirachi to make Starmie that much deadlier, I ran a similar set a while back and got to 1641 with it, the issue is that would require setup so no lead usage. Speaking of leads, lead Dugtrio is digusting.
>>57929582
A lot of compniggers are surprisingly despite the name, fucking casuals who can't bother putting any ounce of effort into creative thought and they hate anything that deviates from the norm or takes actual consideration to counter or utilize on the fly like it should be expected out of a high competitive setting, so of course they love open team sheets like the scrubs the are.
Replies: >>57930575
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:43:39 AM No.57930571
>>57929582
>with no issue whatsoever
love it when nitwits talk so blatantly out of their ass
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:44:45 AM No.57930575
>>57930482
It's not disgusting, you just run bad leads.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:01:26 AM No.57930603
>>57928688
It's mono water? How do you handle Blissey when you bait it in?
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:10:26 AM No.57930970
should i play gen 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 on showdown. im looking for a stable metagame to really sink my time into. that or playing natdex. which is the best from the 6?
Replies: >>57930986 >>57930990 >>57930996 >>57931008
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:19:11 AM No.57930986
>>57930970
you should play 2, the highest iq metagame. truly more reminiscent of chess than a turn-based jrpg.
Replies: >>57930993 >>57931025
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:23:11 AM No.57930990
1666361626112501
1666361626112501
md5: cae607b7d71f7ee61b0a705a92001d77๐Ÿ”
>>57930970
>Popularity
Gen II is the least popular with the smallest community. Most people will not engage with you on the topic and you will have the deadest ladder.

Gen I is slightly more active but unpopular in its own way. Had a wave a couple years back but is treated like an arcane absurdity.

Gen V gets a bad reputation but still has a dedicated zoomer playerbase. The current leader of Smogon mains this tier.

Gen 4 is under a lot of scrutiny as of late and has received some bad press, but it still gets a lot of play compared to other gens.

Gen III is currently the most popular and talked about non-current-gen OU.

>"Stability"
None or these are stable in the sense of being completely predictable and monotonous. However, you'd most likely find Gen II to be the one which is most quickly understood in the shortest amount of time as far as patterns go.

>Depth
All of them except Gen 4 OU has been proven to have untapped and rewarding depth to "sink into". With that said, the most glory is currently in playing Gen III OU.


The current biggest and most teeming community is in gen3ou, so you wouldn't be going wrong choosing it.
Replies: >>57930996 >>57931025 >>57931092
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:26:56 AM No.57930993
>>57930986
>you should play 2
I agree everyone should, because it injects unique lessons that are difficult to arrive at in other gens
>the highest iq metagame
maybe, maybe not, but it is undoubtedly intellectually demanding
>truly more reminiscent of chess than a turn-based jrpg
not in an abstract sense, but rather because progress is decidedly incremental and each role rather strictly defined
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:29:35 AM No.57930996
>>57930970
>>57930990
As for the "best" metagame, I would say it is Gen III OU, by far, uncontestedly. It incorporates something from every other gen into one which is balanced and full of creative potential, but also immensely challenging.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:35:07 AM No.57931008
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1730246095698043
md5: 398c997aa65daef86cbde690fc4a9d75๐Ÿ”
>>57930970
>1 and 2
Gen 1 and 2 are really rough, gen 2 always turns into stall hell on mid to high ladder, gen 1 is way too janky, broken and limited, very few Pokemon actually have the tools to do what they need and matches WILL turn into freeze and generally just RNG fishing, you will experience pure misery if your luck isn't very good.
>ADV
Gen 3 is a great generation, not stally, not too fast either, a ton of stuff works, it's arguably the most balanced Pokemon ever was, even a bunch of shitters like Camerupt, Roselia and other Hoenn mons cursed with being SLOW. FRAIL. MIXED ATTACKERS. are viable with the right teams, you just need to keep the mainstays of the meta in mind and keep in mind good prediction and properly taking your turns is going to become your main priority.
>Gen 4
Gen 4 is miserable, only gen 4 UU and NU were vaguely fun last time I tried them, but barely anyone plays it, so it isn't worth it. Nuke moves, poor balancing decisions and especially Stealth Rocks drag things down really hard compared to ADV, gen 4 OU is plainly terrible, Jirachi and Latias run and ruin the tier, Jirachi is so broken that it can 1v1 Heatran through sheer bullshit, Latias just melts everything, gen 4 OU also has by far some of the most insufferable faggots on smogon, so keep that in mind.
>Gen 5
Can be fun, but there's a few Pokemon that make matches miserable, namely Volcarona, Reuniclus and a few others, I don't remember if Latios was banned or not, but it was also painfully miserable to deal with last time I played OU. It's honestly a fun generation with a ton of stuff that, but there's also a lot that will make your days miserable, I recommend trying gen 5 at least.
>Natdex
Natdex is pretty fun, plenty of stuff to try and unlike other councils, the Natdex council tends to ban bullshit outright a lot of the time instead of letting it fester and ruin the tier like say, gen 9 OU. But again, like in gen 5, there's some absolute bullshit roaming around OU and UU.
Replies: >>57931025
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:48:48 AM No.57931025
>>57930986
>>57930990
>>57930996
>>57931008
wow ok i didnt expect al these answers. thank you all!
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:52:22 AM No.57931035
sorry for doubleposting but one more thing... is there anything special about gen 6 7 8? i never hear anything about them.
Replies: >>57931039 >>57931078 >>57931121
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:59:35 AM No.57931039
>>57931035
They're pretty much the start of the gimmick generations, and outside of the added type of fairy, it's pretty much pick your poison for them. There's certainly a lot of nuance to them, but some pokemon benefit more for certain gimmicks than others.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 10:36:30 AM No.57931078
>>57931035
>is there anything special about gen 6 7 8?
no, although gen 7 ou used to be the most popular non-current-gen ou
>i never hear anything about them.
for various reasons, but the primary thing is that nugen pokemon isn't that interesting, and smogon's policy decisions made them even duller

you play gen 7 ou if you want the most options and the highest power level
you play gen 6 ou if you think that's the right track but gen 7 went too far
you play gen 8 ou if you ended up liking the reset in mons and moves
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 10:46:44 AM No.57931092
>>57930990
>All of them except Gen 4 OU has been proven to have untapped and rewarding depth to "sink into". With that said, the most glory is currently in playing Gen III OU.
Why does Gen 4 not have this โ€œdepthโ€?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 11:05:29 AM No.57931121
Burning skies
Burning skies
md5: dc06e0618fb6531e351e1791745eebc4๐Ÿ”
>>57931035
>Gen 6
Gen 6 is very bogdown standard despite Megas and it's also a mess, the meta shifted from stall to hyper offense on a hat while it was still live, I have no idea about how it is these days or if anyone plays it. Full power Talonflame is iconic for a good reason, I think people overblew it way too hard in terms of how bonkers it was, so much so that Gamefreak was confirmed to have designed Alolan Graveler specifically to counter it.
Clefable turning into a Fairy type was a curse that soon became apparent and there's some other things, Knock Off spam is really prevalent in this gen, more than any other.
>Gen 7 is powercreept incarnate, the meta is a fucking mess, far too many broken Pokemon running around and Toxapex, some of the UBs and some other fuckers like the Mega Zards running around OU means it's just a blatantly awful format sometimes, gen 7 UU though is actually really fun, it's also explosive and has a ton of really dumb stuff, but the sheer amount of experimentation and unique stuff you can run there is great.
>Gen 8
Most of the broken sweepers got banned and the generation turned into stall hell, HDB existing means hazards are practically pointless and Teleport getting buffed was outright a really retarded idea given the catasthrophic effect it had on the meta, I haven't tried most gen 8 formats besides OU and I tried gen 8 OU when it was still fresh and Dynamax was around, it was awful, nothing short of completely awful, then I played it way later after all the bans were handed, it was still not very fun, the Pokemon cuts left some horrible vacuums in place, despite all the issues, it's supposedly a pretty stable meta according to one anon I talked to a few days back.
>>57931092
The problems with gen 4 mold the meta into an uniquely retarded state of things, a lot of stuff got banned for really shitty reasons, one of them being Froslass getting banned because of Snow Cloak.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 12:49:16 PM No.57931309
>>57931092
Unironically the shit moderation. Anything that could have a niche gets banned for Latias and Jirachi, and anything thats good with either Latias or Jirachi gets banned too.
>Just ban Latias and Jirachi
But the mods want to fuck those Pokemon we can't ban them!
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:28:24 PM No.57931472
>people make walls of text to discuss singles
>played entirely off-cart
>with rules imposed by fiat
What happens when showdown is no more?
Replies: >>57931474 >>57931807 >>57931918 >>57932073
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 2:31:24 PM No.57931474
>>57931472
>What happens when showdown is no more?
I stop caring about pokemon.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:13:05 PM No.57931807
>>57931472
Then its VGC BABYYYY
Real talk, I think the BSS ruleset works best in Pokemon Stadium(s), everything these days is just a series of nuke buttons. Gen 8 was horrid to play "bring 6 pick 3" if you could find ways to dynamax and ohko at least 2 pokemon with your max.
As a VGC doubles player I think it's a little strange how Pokemon wants to run their show. They clearly pay attention to singles, otherwise HDB wouldn't exist, Scald and Toxic wouldn't have become restricted to less mons, and they wouldn't have nerfed the PP of recovery moves. But the battle timer, even in a less-stally world, still gimps any form of singles that isnt Battlespot style.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:18:24 PM No.57931818
May as well discuss vgc too.
>2014
The first year of XY meta, because restricteds weren't allowed and transfers hadn't happened, you saw a wide variety of megas to build teams around. Worlds that year saw a good mix of mons.
>2015
The return of transfer mons meant centralization. Landorus was everywhere and the general power of the meta pushed out most megas except those that had utility(like a bulky, fast fake out user that defeats sash). Japan solved the meta at Worlds that year and dominated with CHALK.
>2016
Primals, double restricted. Power level so high that you had to bring mons that did specific counters like storm drain, lightning rod, etc. Megas no longer mattered if you weren't Rayquaza, Salamence, or Metagross. Worlds was exactly how you'd expect a meta like that to work. Pretty horrible.
>2017
Sun/Moon's first year. Power level is lower, no megas, no restricteds, but ultra beasts kind of do the same thing Paradoxes do now. The Tapus appear on every team, Incin doesn't have its hidden ability(if memory serves) nor its utility belt. Z moves are dumb. The support mons differentiate the teams and the big are threats are fairly varied at Worlds, 1st and 2nd place share no mons in common.
>2018
Return of transfer mons, megas, no restricteds, and Incin gets intimidate. Worlds sees a lncin on 5 of the top 8 teams. 5 megas are represented across the top 8, Kang/Gengar/Salamence/Metagross/CharY. Decent variety, was good.
>2019
Double restricted, primals back. Horrible.
Groudon or Kyogre are on every team, some Rayquazas, Mega-K finds a utility niche again, Salamence and Metagross also see use because of their sheer power. Gen 6 and 7 have a lot of continuity and 2019 is the culmination of all the power creep.
>2020-2021
lol, it's not like nothing happened, but it didn't really matter.
1/2
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:24:17 PM No.57931831
>>57931818
Even in '14 if you weren't using one of the optimal megas you were kind of throwing. Charizard, Kang, Mawhile. Also Talonflame supremacy.
>17
Remember when A Muk was valued for its typing and not gimmicks? Thats a trip right there.
Urshifu might not have been the start of the slope but it's when the scaling really went crazy.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:00:19 PM No.57931913
>>57931818
>2022
Double restricted, Dynamax as a mechanic is so ridiculously powerful that team variety does exist. D-max itself is generally a rich get richer scenario, stat buffs/debuffs, status, terrain, weather, 2xHP, 1/4 damage to opponent's team every turn, all off of 100-150BP moves. Charizard got kind of unbelievable treatment during gen 8, way better than both megas it had. 1st and 2nd at Worlds have no mons in common.
>2023
First year of Scarlet/Violet. Now the online battles went through several regulations, but the time worlds rolls around you had Transfer mons, Paradox, Ruin pokemon, and especially Urshifu. The meta is already pretty powerful. At least Dragonite saw play. No Incin.
>2024
Once again, various different regs for online battles. Worlds adhered to reg G. Single restricted, everything is available.
If you weren't a gen 8 or 9 legendary, you didn't see play. If you're like me you hate wolves, horses, bikes, and bears now.
>2025
Reg I isn't looking any better than G really, some teams can take mons like Lunala or Kyogre, but it's generally just an opportunity to get a horse/wolf/bike to pair with your horse/wolf/bike.
I've personally tried playing with a few lesser restricted and the wolf/bike/horse it's paired with always pulls the weight.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:01:59 PM No.57931918
>>57931472
>>people make walls of text to discuss singles
and exactly zero of them play the game
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:03:42 PM No.57932071
Gen 4 OU so bad made Jimothy try Gaylar
Gen 4 OU so bad made Jimothy try Gaylar
md5: c435a790a00e8c7d5250ee4f1365f815๐Ÿ”
>>57931092
A hidden oppressive powerlevel that those invested into the tier are dedicated to suppressing knowledge of, but anyone who tries to start building in it even casually quickly becomes cognizant of.

https://youtu.be/pt1it0JcDcU

Instead of leaning into alternative strategies like trapping stall with Dugtrio and Paraspam Machamp offense, they ban it while ignoring the mons (Latias and Jirachi and Heatran and even Tyranitar) who create the conditions where only "overpowered" alternative strategies like those can become viable instead of boring balance teams featuring the mentioned mons.

Gen 4 OU's establishment---no, Gen *4* as a whole's establishment is actively hostile to metagame development and favors maintenance of the status quo. They don't want anyone exploring different mons, they want the metagame to remain as predictable as it was 5 years ago, and keeping certain anchors like Latias that demand very specific and non-negotiable answers helps to do that. They don't even give a shit about certain collateral like Infernape.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:05:42 PM No.57932073
>>57931472
Do you not realize Showdown is downloadable software and what you think is "Showdown" is just Smogon University's server which is merely the current hub of activity?
Replies: >>57932088 >>57932092
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:07:59 PM No.57932077
>>57931913
>If you weren't a gen 8 or 9 legendary, you didn't see play
that's not true
it's just that they were generally speaking far more powerful
Replies: >>57932143
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:13:59 PM No.57932088
>>57932073
Even he doesn't, what happens to smoggies if Showdown gets taken down? Champions is around the corner so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Replies: >>57932103
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:14:42 PM No.57932092
>>57932073
There isn't another "hub of activity" capable of taking its place.
Replies: >>57932103
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:17:22 PM No.57932103
>>57932088
what I said went in one ear and out the other evidently
>>57932092
because Smogon currently has a chokehold on effort
do you think video sharing would die if youtube went offline?
please use your brain
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:17:45 PM No.57932105
>>57931913
>Reg I isn't looking any better than G really
Single restricteds are hella matchup roulette, your supplimentary restricted does a lot of coverage (Zam Wide Guard against Caly for example) while your lizard/horse do the rest.
I hate paradox Pokemon, Booster Energy/ Quark Drive/Protosynthesis is wildly overpowered and in non restricted formats without Koko nobody is running Elec Terrain so it's all past paradoxes making sun teams superior. Iron Hands and Iron Bundle are good enough to stand on their own but recall Reg C how everybody used Great Tusk yet nobody used Iron Treads despite Flutter Mane getting more usage than Incin during peak Incin metas (recognizing that's also partially because it has a usable signsture move). I think Paradoxes and Ultra Beasts trying to be their own strange class of demi legends is neat on paper but the way it's executed is too much.
Then you have the Ruins. I don't hate Wo Chien and Ting Lu (unless you run the Fissure set) but not only do the other twos' abilities greatly affect damage rolls and the pace of the game in a significantly more volitile way, their personal stats are ridiculously minmaxxed just like the most problematic Ultra Beasts and Paradoxes. In metas without restricteds they are extremely fearsome in ways demi legends like Entei or even Thunderus couldn't match (as strong and flexible as the pranster genies are they are just that; prankster-reliant supports). Compare that to a Chi Yu Heat Wave or Chien Pow Sucker Punch/ terrain changing Ice Spinner. Even if Kartana becomes crazy it's at least contained to Kartana, not affecting the other combinations of interactions on the field.
I don't know if that is the bulk of pre-restricted powercreep issues (also add in Urshifu) but this is in huge contrast from the balance and design of, say, the Galarian bird trio which I think are more balanced. Oh fuck, thank god Regieleki isn't as crazy anymore.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:32:19 PM No.57932138
>>57932103
So you can't answer the question. Why even post in the first place?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:34:09 PM No.57932143
>>57932077
>>57931913
I know Groudon/Ho-Oh is a really tight core. Kyogre/Groudon are pretty usable in general. I wouldn't say Dialga and Palkia are good enough to be splashable but certainly can put in work, same too for Solgaleo and the Necrozma forms. Zacian is also better than those 'maybes' I just stated. This tierlist is from the preview of the format before Reg I officially started, and other than underestimating Lunala and Caly I, I believe I was pretty spot in predicting today. It may be pertinent to also have a tier of 'loses to Miraidon' but Kyogre and Ho-Oh absolutely stand well on their own, Palkia too if you know how to play him.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:35:31 PM No.57932150
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>>57932143
Forgot pic and to say it was my own opinions
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:46:55 PM No.57932184
>>57932150
My experience with Giratina-O is not that it loses to Shadow Rider at all. Generally it pressures it out and some other threat that it can't deal with comes in. It can wall Ice Rider, but it requires a tera and that's not a good strat either. Extremely vulnerable to intimidate cycles, so your unfortunate damage output is lowered even more.
Giratina is like setup bait, if your opponent needs to set something likeup speed controls/boosts, it can do it usually without worrying about a 1hko, even when it does then it just teras.

I'd put Ice Rider over Koraidon.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:58:57 PM No.57932211
>>57932138
I assumed I wasn't speaking with a retard who needs every single little thing spelled out to them in exacting detail like it was the 9th grade class they never went to
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:11:13 PM No.57932237
>>57932211
Damn you're good at non-answers. Don't bother replying.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:44:07 PM No.57932304
>>57932184
I believe you, but that said does Giratina get anything done? I'm under the impression it's in a similar boat as Lugia, no offenses without a full commitment setup.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:48:11 PM No.57932312
>>57932304
It struggles mightily, no setup is required for Caly-S since shadow sneak is priority KO, but you don't want to eat an astral from a sashed one.
You can generally expect its best case scenarios to do 50-75% with neutral damage if you're not intimidated. 20-30% for resisted.