What's your LEAST favourite region?
I included orre and hisui because why the fuck not

https://strawpoll.com/7rnzVeBlDnO

>>57912905 (OP)
Galar

>>57912905 (OP)
Gaylar. I hate India

>>57912905 (OP)
I've only played first four gens
Sinnoh tongues my anus

>>57912905 (OP)
johto or kalos

>>57912905 (OP)
I've liked all the regions, more or less

Galar has the worst starters though

>>57912905 (OP)
The region a certain lost twin comes from who is stuck in the past version of the region that shares sinjoh ruins with KANTOOOOO's backyard

>>57912905 (OP)
Orre doesn't count, it's a spin-off. Apart from that, Galar has the least beautiful starters. I'd go even further and say that Galar also has the worst legendary mascots

>>57912905 (OP)
Paldea easily

I haven't played anything since XY. I held firm to the Dexit boycott unlike the rest of you!

So I am the one vote(at time of post) for Kalos.

>>57912905 (OP)
Travelling in Paldea is just unpleasant. Galar at least had Glimwood Tangle.

i honestly like unova even less than galar somehow

>>57912905 (OP)
Alola

>Worst music
SV and Kalos
>Worst vibes
Galar
>Worst mons
Kalos

I'm pleasantly surprised by the results.

what's up with zoomers and hating johto i'll never understand
i refuse to believe it's all because of that one bait video

Paldea. Not even Switch 2 can save it. Performance is better, but the locations still look terrible.

>>57913521
Whoa... a 60 second hallway...

>>57914189
johto hasn't gotten a game in 15 years, most people who actually played a Joho game outgrew the franchise. Also since Johto is almost never shilled, most moderns fan exposure to Johto is solely from memes exaggerating its few real issues, full-on lying, or just randomly shitting on it. It's the only region defined solely by its flaws and nothing else.
Also every other region has one of more heavily marketed shillmons to prop the region: Hoenn has Gardevoir, Sinnoh Lucario, etc. Game Freak doesn't rabidly shill any Johto Pokemon and is by far the least respected region and dex. the pretty much very Gen 2 pokemon is either forgotten or a punching.

>>57914322
this is cope

It’s Sinnoh and everything else is cope

>>57914322
Lol take your meds. Johto's one redeeming feature is going back to Kanto and even that is boring as fuck.

>>57914322
>Johto never shilled
Sorta did in SV with the legendary paradox monsnof Scarlet being based on the three legendary beasts. Also ton of Johto mons are in the games

>>57914189
It's an empty boring region, the best part is leaving it for Kanto. Cope

>>57914338
T. Got filtered by Coronet

Paldea

>>57914347
Johto pokemon get shit every gen. Regionals in Galar, starter + regionals + character ancestors in PLA, multiple Paradoxmons, Kitikami even had muscial motifs from GSC. That dudes a retarded schizo that tries to make Johtofags look bad.

>>57914354
Easy, bland, and boring. Just like the rest of the region.

>>57912905 (OP)
alola is the worst name 1 town from that shithole that isn't the little dock

>>57914377
malie city for nanu sexo

Paldea, I really don't like they're starters either

>>57914189
G/S/C and their remakes are slower paced games that encourage you to take your time and play patiently so you can engage with time gated content. this is antithetical to how zoomers play video games. they're extremely objective-oriented and always in a rush. I think that's a large part of it.
that and Johto has gotten a really intense revaluation lately where it has just been picked apart and dissected, to the point that people only know negative talking points about it because they have probably spent more time looking for flaws than actually playing the game. it's easy to grow a distance and forget what it feels like to play it when you are engaged in hyper-critical analysis of it online 24/7. they don't even interact with the game, just this strawman they have developed to continually tear down. I don't know why Johto in particular gets this treatment, but it seems to get it worst than most gens.

it's probably the region with the biggest generational divide in how it's perceived. HGSS are like the definitive Pokemon games to a lot of older fans, I barely heard anything but praise for it up until a couple years ago when it seems like a flip switched and suddenly people hate them.

>>57912905 (OP)
There's a lot of bad area designs, pokemon distributions, and art direction scattered through out the series, but it's crazy how second place isn't even close.

>>57914377
Po Town was kino

>>57914529
devs timegate content to artificially stretch out the little content there is
>fewer new pokemon
>smaller emptier new region cuz u MUST go to kanto
>zoomers want good battles and not shitty mmoslop design? their fault

>>57914529
dangerous truthnuke

>>57914620
TRVTH

>>57914189
It said least favourite. I haven’t played a main line game since Alola. Actually in hindsight sinnoh is worse.

i hope the johto re-remakes completely remove KANTOOOOOOO so that morons stop bringing it up as some kind of absolute gotcha argument

>>57914642
They won't. If that happened everyone would go "where the fuck is Kanto???" b/c Johto has no identity of its own

>>57914650
kanto isn't even half as good as johto IMHO
>t. started with ruby

>>57914650
make every route bellchime trail
ez 500k sales from all the johto sovlfaggots who think they matter

>>57914189
>boring rocket plotline
>awful pokemon
>worst pokemon distribution
>levels for both trainers and wildlife is retarded after the third gym
>remake didn't fix any of this and instead padded the game out with more boring gimmicks like voltorb flip and the safari zone

>>57914670
>Johto is a good region guys
>Ecruteak City
Daring today, aren't we.

>>57914673
no, the routes are already soulful and well thought-out
>route 29 designed in such a way where you can get from cherrygrove to new bark without stepping in tall grass, but not vice versa
>route 34 has an entire hidden area to battle some ace trainers for a power herb
>wild stantler on route 36 west of the nara-based violet city
>miltank farm on route 39 north of the kobe-based olivine city
I could go on, but this is what immediately comes to mind

>>57914362
not sure why they to claim "Johto is almost never shilled" because it drags down their otherwise mostly correct post. Johto IS the oldest game without the protection of being the first so it gets the the most scrutiny and is treated like a scapegoat by modern fans. And the point of Johto not having shillmons falls apart due to Umbreon/Espeon (Which are shilled even more than the KANTOOOO eeveelutions) and T-tar. Granted they don't get as much as the top tier shillmons like Gardevoir or Lucario or CHARIZARD but almost nothing does.

Also one point used by straight haters and false flaggers is that Gen2 Pokemon were intentionally made shitmons to make Gen 1 look better but this is wrong. The only reason Gen 2 Pokemon are weak in battle now is powercreep and being an outlier among older gens due to Kanto gettingg infinite shilling buffs because KANTOOOOOOO and Hoenn having so many megas, and even many Gen 1/3 mons have fallen off.
Notice how Johto is hated for having so many evolutions to older Pokemon, but Sinnoh does the same thing but is beloved for "saving" gen 2 "shitmons" (even though Gen 1 and 3 pokemon got just as many evos in Sinnoh).


>>57914529
GSC/HGSS always had some differences from the rest of the series that would put some people off, but the fact the hate only started over a decade since the games got any focus proves the hate isn't due to anything about Johto . The rapid turn around is because shills like Merrick just started GSC as a scapegoat for the problems with the main series games. Its telling that the rabid anti-Johto hysteria only stared around Gen 8 when people were complaining about now bad SwSh was and its only festered since then. because anything a even the nuzlocke guy mostly focused his hate on the original GSC in his meme video and when asked most people would have conceded that HGSS at least improved many of GSCs issues. HGSS being so despised didn't happen until very recently after Johto hate was normalized.

>>57914704
>route 29 designed in such a way where you can get from cherrygrove to new bark without stepping in tall grass, but not vice versa
kanto did this better in route 1. that reminds me, the whole beginning of johto is so long and drawn out
>route 34 has an entire hidden area to battle some ace trainers for a power herb
kanto did this better with the power plant
>shitmons whose only justification for existing is """sovl"""
>otherwise their only traits are "most forgotten pokemon" and "i'm a stupid boomer and dont know what x items do"
wow....................

>>57914720
If you watched nuzlocke guy's latest HGSS tier list video, he said it barely changed shit about GSC's original issues with the battles and encounters. Standards are higher now than just "it has following Pokemon"

>>57914724
Dangerous truth nuke

Recently played through gens 1-7.
>Kanto
Basic as all hell. The route design is mediocre and basic. The city design is mediocre and basic. The region design is mediocre and basic.
>Johto
Absolute shit region. No route variety, they're all grass + trees. The routes are tiny as fuck, all of the dungeons, except for Whirlpool Islands and Mt Morter, sucked, the Pokemon variety is laughably bad, easily the worst in the series, there is no memorable route in the entire region, and it's just a roadblock on the way to Kanto, the better region.
>Hoenn
Other than B2/W2 Unova, it's the best region, hands down. Long, winding routes. Tons of optional side content. Plenty of route diversity (desert route, long, rainy forest route, volcano route). Plenty of area diversity. Water routes only make up about a 5th of the game, so that complaint is overblown, especially since you can skip half of it because it's optional. Hoenn is the first region that gave cities an identity, especially with cities like Lavaridge, Slateport, Rustboro, and ESPECIALLY Sootopolis.
>Sinnoh
Too many caves, too many HMs. Mt Coronet fucking blew, and is the biggest fucking slog in all of Pokemon. The rest of the region is alright, other than the gay ass caves and the snow routes, but nothing special. For a region based on the most interesting prefecture of Japan, it sure was boring.
>Unova
Only great in B2/W2. Diverse environments, best towns, heavily cut down on HM usage. It only lacks long, winding routes of to explore with plenty of secrets.
>Kalos
It's better than Alola/Galar/Johto, but not good. It's pretty decent between the 3rd and 4th gym, and then again after you get out of the Fairyfag town, but that desert route was unforgivably bad.
>Alola
Absolute garbage region. Too much handholding, not enough side content, routes too linear, too much roadblocking, forgettable and boring as fuck.

BW2 Unova > Hoenn > Sinnoh > BW1 Unova > Kalos > Alola > Johto
Anything else is cope from nostalgiafaggots.

>>57914720
Campaign shitter here. Let's go through the gen 4 cross-gen evos one by one, skipping babies:
>gen 1
>Magnezone
>Lickilicky
>Rhyperior
>Tangrowth
>Electivire
>Magmortar
>Porygon-Z
In my opinion, Magnezone wasn't necessary as Magneton was already good at what it does. Pory-Z should've been a branching evo, Pory 2 was already decent at fulfilling a different niche. Everything else needed an evo, whether it actually helped them is another story.

Leafeon and Glaceon don't really count, they're more like brand new mons.

>gen 2
>Togekiss
>Ambipom
>Yanmega
>Honchkrow
>Mismagius
>Gliscor
>Weavile
>Mamoswine
All of these evos were necessary at the time. Misdreavus had some utility as ghost types were rare, but Mismagius is significantly better. Aside from that, each of their previous final forms fucking suck.

>gen 3
>Gallade
>Probopass
>Roserade
>Dusknoir
>Froslass
Dusclops was already a decent mon and Gardevoir was already good. Gallade is a good example of a branching evo. Nosepass and Roselia are trash and Glalie always kinda sucked so they needed new evos.

>>57914724
kanto route 1 didn't have a sneak peak of the final route giving you access to more pokemon before the first gym, which by the way, johto has a LOT of options there, it's seriously impressive. and that list only grows throughout the game, johto's pokémon distribution is phenomenal
power plant isnt "hidden" at all
lastly
>GRRRRR I NEED EVERY POKEMON TO BE MINMAXED SHITMON SHITMON SHITMON
literal fetus mindset, if you can't beat the game with stantler you're dogshit at it
>>57914816
>No route variety, they're all grass + trees.
Johto has its fair share of water routes, and even its simple grass/trees routes are memorable (see >>57914704)
>The routes are tiny as fuck
i mean some of them are, sure, but there's a fair share of larger routes. 36 is pretty decently sized, 30-31 on their own are kinda small but ar the end of the day they're basically one route. but yeah a lot of the routes are on the smaller side, although I don't see how that's a problem
>all of the dungeons, except for Whirlpool Islands and Mt Morter [sic], sucked
how so?
>the Pokemon variety is laughably bad, easily the worst in the series
And now we get to this. This is how you know that this poster has not in fact played HGSS. In HGSS, you have a shitton of options before the first gym alone, let alone throughout the entire game, and that's not getting into the safari zone. Johto's mon distribution, in HGSS at least, is some of the best in the series. Oh, but houndour and sneasel are postgame only, so suddenly the whole game's distribution is shit. Get a grip. It's not that the game has "bad Pokémon distribution" it's that (You) refuse to try new things. You dismiss everything that isn't optimal as a "shitmon," even though Pokémon games are so easy you could complete any league with a team of literal babies if you tried hard enough. Just because the game gives you a shiny Gyarados doesn't mean you HAVE to use it.
>there is no memorable route in the entire region
I already listed four.

>>57914866
>if you can't beat the game
We've been over this countless times. Back to 2nd grade with you.

>>57914870
Have we?

>>57914873
Yes.

>>57914874
I don't recall this.

>>57914876
I'm sorry you were dropped on the head as a baby.

>>57914880
Meds.

>>57914881
Try learning something from these threads next time.

>>57914866
hi gschizo

>>57914883
I don't even know who you are
>>57914885
HGSS not GSC, there's no real reason to play GSC anymore outside of nostalgia. HGSS improved them in every way, becoming the best games in the franchise bar none

>>57914866
Thinking about it, HGSS has the worst distribution. The new Pokemon in the early routes are dogshit or more than overused. There is no logical reason not to pick up a level 50 Magikarp on route 43 after the 4th gym unless you're imposing restrictions on yourself.

johto makes for shitty nuzlockes and zoomers only play the old games for nuzlockes. it's that simple.

>>57914901
zoomers dont play them at all, only romhacks

>>57914906
from content creators shilling their romhacks through "johto sucks" video essays

>>57914900
>There is no logical reason not to pick up a level 50 Magikarp on route 43 after the 4th gym unless you're imposing restrictions on yourself.
what if... hear me out... you dont feel like using it? ive played through HGSS more times than I can count and I didn't even know it existed until some schizos here on /vp/ mentioned it desperately trying to find things to dislike about Johto in order to make their favorite region look better
And now that I know it exists I just think "huh, that's neat." and proceed to never really use it because I've used Gyarados a number of times already.
It says a lot about how great Johto is when one of the most frequent criticisms of the region is "there's an overleveled magikarp that you have the option to catch on route 43"

>>57914911
thx for reminding me to finish crystal legacy

>>57914914
>you dont feel like using it
As I said, a self-imposed restriction.

>one of the most frequent criticisms of the region
There's plenty of other more frequent criticisms, but you probably tune them out without explaining anything because you think every opinion against your beloved, perfect Johto is a Youtuber opinion. There is literally zero reason to use anything else than the Gyarados that levels past Lance's Dragonites and gets insane moves with a couple heart scales. The level curve and battles aren't just bad, they may as well be nonexistent in HGSS.

>>57914924
yep trvked

>>57914924
that's on top of the overleveled roamers by the 4th gym
johto seriously falls apart at ecruteak huh

>Galar overwhelmingly in the lead
I'll never cease to be amazed at how GF managed to grab Britain history and mythos and completely fuck it up.

>>57914189
Sour grapes and crabs in a bucket.
Sour grapes since they didn't experience peak Pokemon so they act like it was actually bad all along.
Crabs in a bucket since they know they cannot defend modern games by extolling what's good about them so they instead prefer to put down the actually good games so they can feel better about it and pretend their games are actually just as good if not better.
It's really sad and pathetic in all honesty.

>>57914924
>There is literally zero reason to use anything else than the Gyarados that levels past Lance's Dragonites and gets insane moves with a couple heart scales.
You're boring. Most people don't even know the level 50 magikarp is there, and most people who do don't care, especially since the game gives you a cool red gyarados right after.
Not everyone has to always take the most "optimal" path. By your logic, any variety of teambuilding except making the absolute most optimal team or powerleveling a single pokemon is pointless, which is a mindset that goes against the entire point of Pokémon as a franchise. Anyone CAN beat a Pokémon game just using one Pokémon, but we choose not to because building your own team is fun.
It's entirely your fault for choosing to optimize the fun out of the game. The option is there in case that's something you actually enjoy doing, but it's clear you don't, so there's no reason for you to take the level 50 magikarp. it's an option, and throughout all my playthroughs of HGSS, ive never used it.

>>57914960
the fact the magikarp even exists is appalling, no other game gives you 3 broken overpowered options this early in
almost like they knew grinding would be cancer without it kek

>>57914965
I've never even had to grind in HGSS, and I'm a certified karenfag who just uses whatever I think is cool
I think it's really funny that your complaint with HGSS...is that you have strong teambuilding options.
>B-B-B-BUT THEY'RE TOO STRONG
Then don't use them? There's plenty of OTHER strong teambuilding options out there

>>57914960
This just tells me HGSSfags were always retarded lol

>>57914982
im not that guy, genius

>>57914983
>t. had to scan the encounter tables of every route in the game just to find something to complain about
>>57914988
I don't see how that's even remotely relevant, what I said still applies

>>57914993
>scan the encounter tables
Who doesn't do this?

>>57914996
those who don't hate fun

>>57914998
???
How is that relevant

>>57914996
u wouldnt know half the johtomons exist if u didn't lol

>>57915001
kek

>>57915001
you asked, i answered. i think most people prefer to treat pokemon as a video game as opposed to a check bulbapedia simulator
how is the existence of a level 50 magikarp that you actively have to search for and don't have to catch relevant to the quality of hgss as a title? like boo hoo i get the option to steamroll the game if i want to, it's not like pokemon games are hard to begin with
>>57915006
>what are trainer teams
>what is the pokedex habitat screen

>>57915017
>these games are good just dont use x y z
sounds like a shit game tbdesu

>>57915017
>checking encounter tables for 10 seconds for each new route is a bulbapedia simulator
Okay
>how is it relevant to the quality of hgss as a title
Why would I use anything else at that point. Others don't use items or do nuzlockes to have fun, what you were saying. These games should be evaluated with all options available

>>57915027
he thinks ur going through each bulbapedia route page not playing the game

>>57914900
Emerald kinda did this with the level 70 Rayquaza but it was near the end of the game.

>>57915026
>>these games are good just dont use x y z
no, what I said is don't use the gyarados if you don't find it fun. most of us didn't use it, but there's certainly people that sense of power appeals to. if you lack the restraint to avoid actively sabotaging your own experience by using something you don't find fun, that's entirely on you.
>>57915027
That's like saying "why even have difficulty options if I can just select easy mode and steamroll the game?" like, if you want to play on easy mode, you can do that. or, you could play on the difficulty setting you find more fun. it's the same thing. using the level 50 gyarados is easy mode. it was your choice to select easy mode.

>>57915047
>That's like saying "why even have difficulty options if I can just select easy mode and steamroll the game?"
It doesn't though. No other game suffers as badly from looking at it holistically. Just sounds like cope to me

>>57914189
Backlash at older players calling Johto the best game for decades. Unlike Gen 1, which has always been recognized as rough or buggy, Gen 2 never really had its problems ripped apart until recently.

>>57915039
I don't think that's great either, but Rayquaza is far harder to obtain. If you can weaken and catch it with a team of level 40s, then you deserve it imo.

>>57915052
>thinking rationally and treating options as exactly that instead of choosing to sabotage one's own experience simply because it's possible is cope
Options are just that- optional. If someone wants to use the Gyarados and enjoys that sort of thing, they have the option. If they don't, they won't. I really don't understand what you're not getting here. The whole point of Pokémon is that you can build whatever team you want from what's there. If that team is a single overleveled Gyarados, and that's what you find fun, then you have that option. If it's not, then you have that option too. More options is never a bad thing.
>>57915060
>what is a master ball
At least be consistent

>>57915066
>u have to limit options to make the game fun
you're retarded

>>57915066
>not saving the Master Ball for the Lati
NGMI

>>57915068
That is literally the exact opposite of what I said. Did you miss the part where I said "more options is never a bad thing?"
>>57915070
Ahh, but why would you do that if you can just use a level 70 rayquaza and sweep everything? There's literally no reason to use anything else at that point, amirite?

There's something incredibly shitty feeling about Galar. The game have always been linear but it feels uncanney in SWSH which made the environments larger to compensate for being on home console while also sticking to a fixed camera. Look at Wyndon for example there's so much dead space there and NPCs fade out of existence. It somehow feels more shallow and less immersive than the fucking game boy games

>>57915078
bro forgot what the battle frontier is
johtoniggers deserve the rope

>>57915083
HGSS has the battle frontier too, be consistent.

>>57915086
>be consistent.
not possible for Johtohaters

>>57915089
truthnuke

>>57915086
you use the lati for the battle frontier numbnuts

>>57915091
you mean like how you'd use pokemon other than gyarados for the battle frontier?

>>57915092
you should be using gyarados for the frontier actually

>>57915078
>one option is op and easy to get
>everything else is timegated and garbage in comparison
ill take the 1st option

>>57912905 (OP)
Is Galar really that bad? I never played it.

>>57915094
I used Tyranitar, myself.
>>57915095
If that's what's fun for you, be my guest.
I personally enjoy using other Pokémon. If you tried that, you might realize that the timegated meme only applies to a select few mons in the postgame safari zone

>>57915104
I have. Sword and Shield are atrocious games, but the region is not the reason for that. Galar has some memorable locations, it's just the game itself that's shit

>>57915094
It's no Latios but Gyara is good in gen 3 and 4 Frontiers. Intim with setup is a good combo and it pairs well with Garchomp.

>>57915107
>Tyranitar
For what, setting up Garchomp? It's too slow to do much and dies too easily.

>>57915117
I like Tyranitar.

>>57915119
Good for you. No complaining about hax in the Frontier threads then.

>>57915122
I'm never in the frontier threads anyway.

>>57915107
it applies to a bunch of the new mons
u just enjoy the grind, cant convince u otherwise

>>57915129
Y'know what? I respect that. I can't really convince you to enjoy it, but I hope you can understand that the existence of one overleveled Pokemon that's rather out-of-the-way doesn't affect most people's enjoyment of HGSS

>>57915117
if you only want sand hippo is better
ttar can run scarf or dd but it's kinda meh

>>57914642
for years johto games were wanked as the best because "muh two regions", then people started pointing out how kanto is gay and lame, now suddenly it doesn't matter.

>>57915140
I ran Dragon Dance. It was alright. I struggled a bit because the Battle Frontier is actually pretty tough, but I had fun.

>>57915140
I've tried scarfed Tyranitar in Platinum before and it was fine. Outspeeding Starmie is huge.

>>57915162
it's almost like following pokemon is the most overrated feature in the series
johtofags still can't decide if kanto is postgame or not

>>57915179
>johtofags still can't decide if kanto is postgame or not
It's not if the topic is the main game
It is if the topic is about postgame

>>57912905 (OP)
Just standard Magnum Opus type shit.

Inb4 seethe votes
It's been 14 hours and 14 minutes
It won

>>57915200
Damn Johtokeks lost

>>57915179
It's an interesting argument. It could be considered postgame, but it also could be considered an extension of the main game due to how it's structured. It's unique in that regard.
Personally, I say it counts as postgame, but I can entirely understand the idea that it's an extension of the maingame, because as far as the gameplay goes it kind of is. It's a really cool method of doing postgame that I wish Game Freak would visit again: just let the adventure go on. I consider it the best postgame in the series by far on account of the fact that it's practically a second game with the same character and team. Plus, you've got your standard postgame stuff like the battle frontier, and then you've even got POST postgame content (everything after Red). Love it.

>>57915162
your formulation isn't exactly accurate, but it is funny how johtoddlers seem to have a worse memory of their own arguments and conduct in the years leading up to now than the people they're crying about criticizing them and their precious "region" do, which as we point out is more like half a region: west kanto

>>57915208
>10% of votes
>zomg johto lost!!!
what is this galarvae cope

>>57915200
Expected Unova to lose with how much seethe it generates here but nope

>>57915089
*Johtoddlers

>>57915225
No the top 2 aren't surprising

>>57915227
bortposting is cordie behavior

>>57915235
Neither is Johto though, there's an ongoing hate campaign against it, most likely due to fans of other games feeling insecure about how much more HGSS offers

>>57915162
The actual worst region in the series is Kanto when its attached to Johto. There's nothing funner than underleveld trainers, gyms, and level 15 wild life encounters all throughout the region.

It’s obviously Paldea. Open world is a blight on gaming and Pokemon suffered more than most. At least Galar has a couple of decent locations.
>>57914189
Zoomers (or anyone, really) hating Johto is a myth. Ask just about any mainstream space and the majority will say that Johto is great.
>>57914679
Agreed, except the HGSS safari zone is kino and partially fixes the pokemon availability problem that Johto has.
HGSS are still some of the best games in the series despite these problems however, there’s just so many things that make up for them.

>>57915220
Johtoddlers were saying Ruby and Sapphire killed Pokemania for years. The new meme is it died during GS but everyone at school loved it when it released.

>>57915243
hgss safari zone is timegating slop at its worst. it's funny how the geodude you're forced to catch is better than most encounters you'd get there

>>57915250
the hidden truth is that people always loved whatever pokemon game was current when they were children, yes this even applies to gen alphas whose first region was galar or paldea

>>57915243
dangerously based opinion, but zoomers absolutely do hate johto in mainstream spaces. hating johto is about as reddit as you can get actually
>>57915250
as morimoto's strongest johGODdler, hoenn is my second favorite region, and not once have i said anything like this. pokemania was a fad, it was bound to die out eventually, nothing killed it. everyone just moved on from the initial hype

>>57915227
that's normally a safe bet

>>57915240
yeah, more roadblocks and censorship
so jelly

>>57915243
>>57915256
>Ask just about any mainstream space
you have to seek out where normalfags and npcs congregate to find anyone with a positive opinion on johto hunh
not a good look

>>57915256
>pokemania was a fad, it was bound to die out eventually, nothing killed it
Pokemon had everything going for it at the time and it's been going strong ever since Go was out. They could've taken it any way they wanted with GS but rehashed the same formula and the new mons are less cool. The older gen 1 kiddies moved on b/c the anime was boring and the younger ones stuck to the cute shit

>>57915265
Every Pokémon game has roadblocks and censorship, retard.

>>57915250
>The new meme is it died during GS
it's not a meme, it's the truth and a weaponized statement flipped on its head
>everyone at school loved it when it released
then everyone at the next school must have decided not to buy it

>>57915256
>>57915275
the anime was what kids cared about
togepi killed misty's character and the johto seasons kept stalling

>>57915278
there was a keyword you're missing there bud

>>57915256
>not once have i said anything like this
you're neither the majority nor a long-standing poster

>>57915289
but im morimoto's strongest johGODdler

>>57915252
A list of every Johto pokemon obtainable in the safari zone before the postgame from day 1:
>Girafarig
>Stantler
>Smeargle
>Marill
>Hoppip/Skiploom
>Sunkern
>Wooper/Quagsire
>Misdreavus (!)
>Sentret
>Murkrow (!)
>Larvitar (!)
It definitely makes a difference, not even counting the Kanto mons it lets you get earlier too.

>>57915283
>togepi
I don't think they even introduced Togetic until deep into the gen 3 anime. Even in the games you don't evolve Togepi until like level 30 without walking around for hours

>>57915200
>Hoenn and Kanto at the bottom
What happened? You’d think people here would detest Kanto. Hoenn had a big popularity shift as well.

>>57915298
and your reward is another patented west kanto weak shitmon

>>57915296
Some of these like Larvitar and Murkrow aren't available if you get unlucky with the default areas. You're forced to wait 3 in-game hours, in which case you're better off finishing the game.

>>57915315
>I HAVE TO SPEEDRUN

>>57915318
Speedrun to beat the E4? Yeah.

>>57915322
>he rushes every game he plays and never stops to smell the roses
ngmi

>>57915310
>You’d think people here would detest Kanto
KANTOOO posting is dead and only the johto schizo still references it
Also it's an objectively well-made region the worst of which can only be said that it's mid, which of course is not the worst

>Hoenn had a big popularity shift as well.
Hoenn has been popular for a decade if not longer
johtoddlers are the only ones who ever shittalked it; most other people consider it the peak region

>>57915323
No, you need the national dex to change the safari zone layout

>>57915323
Retard.

>>57915328
>he didn't play the game
You need the national dex to place objects in the safari zone, not to shift the zones.

>>57915335
>johtohaters
>not playing the game
that's just par for the course.

>>57915337
Every single time.

>>57915335
It's still a problem though. You can do a lot with 3 in-game hours. The Safari Zone mons will be severely underleveled.

>>57915342
just wait it out
doing nothing is playing the game

>>57915345
No

>>57915342
>called out for blatant lies
>u-u-u-um well that's still a problem because i-im impatient!
kekaroo just level em up

>>57915349
Not him. And fuck grinding :)

>>57915353
>i-its not me guys i promise it's not!

>>57915353
>fuck grinding
how DARE u say that in front of johtoGODs

>>57915355
>different writing style
You are a schizo.

>>57915356
Every encounter should be level 1 and only available at 4 AM to increase gameplay

>>57915360
>l-l-look i changed up my writing style a little bit so you dont know its me, not that its me its not me guys its not!

>>57915361
trvke

You know Johto is a littlle shitty padded region when, in no other game, do you have to grind a minigame for hours so you can buy an evolution stone 1 day of the week

>>57915362
Keep going.

>>57915349
>just level em up
nah im using the level 51 gyarados

>>57915369
Based

>>57915364
>he doesn't know about the pokegear gifts
just admit you didn't play the game

I've never heard a complaint about Hoenn besides the water so it's safe to say it's the best one

>>57915372
Yeah. Sinnoh would be better if it werent Johto 2

>>57915371
>he doesn't know about [rng phonecalls during the postgame]
wow

least obvious cordie thread:

>>57914529
>Zoomers on GSC time-gated daily and weekly content: >:(
>Zoomers on SV time-gated "do it now or it's gone for months" raids and outbreaks: =O

>>57915379
Perhaps. But it would still be stuck in the slow ass gen 4 engine

>>57915384
Zoomers complaining about GSC don't give a shit about SV

>>57915380
>during postgame
You didn't play the game. There's one as early as route 36

>>57915386
gen 2 engine is the slow ass gen 4 engine
it even has the same hp scroll bug

>>57912905 (OP)
It's Galar and I'm not surprised that it leads your poll by a landslide

>>57915372
it's the tacit silent majority opinion when forced to speak objectively

>>57915388
you know the game is padded when the only way to get evolution stones is to wait around for rng phonecalls or play shitty minigames for hours then buy it on a certain day of the week

>>57915398
the thing about hoenn is that its fans tend to be less obnoxious than other gens, so people have less of a reason to force themselves to hate it

>>57915393
grim

https://youtu.be/SE-BfsFgZVM

i don't know why gsc had to be such a negatively-impactful buggy mess

>>57915400
>he doesn't know about the bug catching contests
>he doesn't know about the guaranteed non-repeatable evo stones throughout the game

>>57915401
dudes with the biggest dicks tend not to spend all day announcing that fact

>>57915405
millennials called it """"tension"""" during the red battle

>>57915407
>any other game
>go pick up the fire stone

>padded ass dogshit johto games
>

>>57915411
>the games before it
>go buy a fire stone

>>57915411
>completely ignoring the previous post
kek

>>57915415
>post national dex
lol

>>57912905 (OP)
In terms of region design, locations to visit, and general Pokemon availability, I'd say Paldea is the all around worst region just by sheer comparison to the other nu-gen games.

>Based off Spain but barely has any Spanish culture or visual identity compared to Kalos or Alola
>Region is open world but the game's artstyle is so dogshit that any visually interesting area is bogged down by it's graphics and Gamefreaks lack of optimization.
>Gyms are probably the worst they've ever been. The "challenges" feel more like tacked on mini-games (probably because GF couldn't figure out how to make a real gym puzzle work in-engine so they had to do real basic shit like Katy's ball pushing, Larry's memorization quiz, and Grusha's very very shitty snowboarding section).
>All 3 stories are written like dogshit, Arven's was the best of the bunch by the sheer fact that his story was simple but effective
>The DLCs don't even expand upon the region itself, which honestly just shows how little faith GF had in Paldea as a place in universe and how slap-dash gen 9 is as a whole
[1/2]

>>57915409
>he says, announcing the supposed size of his dick
I do like Hoenn quite a bit but come on man you know better than that

>>57915423
And? I fail to see how this is a problem.

>>57915425
I didn't say anything
the sights speak for themselves

>>57915405
It would be hard to notice given how low level everything is

>>57915411
>can't get fire stones without waiting
>can't get the cool johto pokemon without waiting
>can't get TMs without waiting
johto - padded to shit

>>57915430
Hoenn does have some pretty kickass starters. I think most people can agree on that.

>>57915432
>he doesnt think xatu and heracross are cool
that's just, like, your opinion man

>>57912905 (OP)
If you asked me what games I'd like to replay the least, it'd have to be the Alola games. The idea of it fills me with dread.

>>57915438
both fucking dogshit in gen 2's campaign

>>57915443
>anything short of like, unown
>dogshit in any campaign
you're bad at the game.

>>57915438
>my best move is peck until level 65
>i only get normal moves and rock smash until level 44
lol

>>57915438
heracross is nothing but an upright cartoon beetle

>>57915443
>>57915449
Johtomons trick you into thinking they're cool but they suck exp from your good mons (Typhlosion or Feraligatr)

>>57915441
See this is interesting, because the Alola games had the recipe for an awesome time.
>the first actually competent story at being a proper story instead of just a framework so that an adventure can exist at all
>awesome characters
>does something new instead of just "8 gyms" again
>actually pretty scenic region
>decent enough dex, although why the fuck is everything so slow
the only problem is that there's more time spent in cutscenes than playing the game
sun and moon are awful games to replay but as a region alola is fantastic

>>57914901
it only makes for "shitty nuzlockes" because the gameplay experience is so bad due to the piss poor dex, wonky levels, and shit bosses

>>57915275
>>57915432
That's because Shithto was made to fail becuase Game Freak didn't want to make Pokemon any more; they made the game a boring grind padded with time wasting gimmicks, a regain with no culture outside of being Kanto's hick backyard, and a dex witl nothing but moeblobs, bland shit, :) faces, and BROWN. Problem is the fanbase got flooded with little kids, sissys, and soccer mons who didn't realize GS was meant as an insult.
>>57915430
Shithtoddlers have been awfully quite since this dropped. Only starters to flop

>>57915441
this but with unova

it’s like alola except without any of the difficulty or good writing

>>57915457
>>57914322
Same poster btw. Nice false flagging, retard

>>57915457
>BROWN
the ugly brown filter on everything literally makes it shitto

>>57915454
Meganium is secretly the strongest Johto starter. It just takes at least two braincells to rub together to use effectively.

>>57915463
>meganium
>barely one shots anything
>typhlosion and feraligatr
>one shots almost everything
no one's talking about comp or romhacks

>>57915455
Sure, they tried something vaguely different, but it's just not different enough for me. The trials basically the same as gyms, just with bullshit 2v1 battles at the end. The whole region just feels cheap, tiny and linear. They do have good pokemon variety, I'll give them that.

>>57915465
>he doesn't know about the super secret meganium tactic that only people with 14 inch penises know
ngmi

>>57915468
yeah its called play crystal kaizo plus

>>57915471
>he doesn't know
ngmi

>>57915424
>>57915456
[2/2]
Another thing I thing was REALLY telling of just how shit Paldea is: It's open feel really incoherent, as in it feels like Gamefreak had a bunch of Pokemon ideas lying around and haphazardly slapped them into Paldea.

I'm only saying this because generation 5, 6, 7, and 8 all had Pokedex's themed around the surrounding cultures and history the region was based on (with some outliers here and there like the Swords of Justice, The Tao and the Genies). Besides maybe 10 out of the 102 that were in the base game there isn't really any new Pokemon that one could look at and say, "Yeah, that looks like it came from a Spain themed region!"

Add onto that with Gamefreak newest attempt to lazily re-adding old Pokemon with "Convergent Evolution Pokemon" -- even though Regional Forms are a thing and make for much better executions -- PLUS all the Paradox Pokemon being retrends of already existing Pokemon and you can quickly see what I'm getting at here...

>>57915474
wtf is that in the bottom right corner

>>57915474
Holy fuck I should not be typing at night.

I meant to say the Pokedex feels incoherent.

>>57915474
Probably some clickbait from a youtube video. I just stole it off Google images.

>>57915473
well i already beat r1 in ck+ so...

>>57915477
Charizard-Mystic Form

No matter the genwar thread it always goes back to Johtoddlers

>>57915456
>zoomers being too lazy try anything thr game doesn’t literally hand to you means the game is bad
Keep telling yourself that

>>57915543
It doesn't take a genius to know Ariados and Forretress can't kill shit and aren't worth investing in. Heracross isn't exactly thrown at you either.

>>57915456
>vileplume used 2-3 times
>belloshit used 0 times
kek

>>57915456
i used ariados a long time ago in my gsc run
i do not recommend it.

>>57912905 (OP)
I'm just happy to see Galar being on first place where it belongs. I'm not surprised to see Paldea on second but I don't think it deserves that. Pretty sure most people who voted for it didn't even play it. Area Zero alone makes up for its issues.

>>57915694
area zero is a fucking slog where you slowly walk your way down dodging girafarigs on the way while 3 assholes talk about bullshit

ALOLA JUST WENT UP TO REACH THE THIRD PLACE IN THIS CONTEST OF WHO SUCKS THE MOST

>>57915770
It was the most kino segment in the mainline series.

>>57915831
it's not even half as good as the distortion world or the delta episode

>Galar as bland as the nation of England
kek

>>57915834
Distortion world is very cool, but it has very little lore relevance, and not a lot happens in it.
Delta episode was ruined by Mary Sue Zinnia, and by being in ORAS.

>>57915410
I’ve always said this about the gen 4 health bar.
I do wish it was maybe about 50% faster though

>>57914345
>>57914351
Discord posts

>>57914685
And Goldenrod
And Violet City
And Mahogany Town
And Lake of Rage
And Olivine city

>>57915929
>celadon mogs
>pewter mogs if you're not a retarded weeb
>boring shit town, rocket hideout is the worst dungeon in the series
>wow... a big body of water... 7.8/10
>vermilion mogs
kanto's backyard not beating the allegations

>oh cool, i can climb on the edge of the crater zero
>now i'm gonna catch this magnezone, aaaaand...
>camera clips into the void
garbage region

>>57916307
What does the technical execution have to do with the region itself?

>>57916439
my experience with the region is effectively, unredeemably tarnished by its execution.
saying stuff, "the concept of the region COULD have been good in the right hands" means nothing, since it never ended up in the right hands and never will.

>>57915834
Or Pokémon Mansion, or Sea Mauville, or Gen 5, or Sun and Moon.
>>57916439
It's immersion-breaking. The sad thing is that the dismal technical execution is the best part about Paldea.

>>57912905 (OP)
Why is Galar hated? I haven't played them.

>>57915441
Agreed, they were a fucking chore to finish the first time. At least it does have some personality but damn the whole thing felt like a super safe theme park ride for babies that just never kicked into high gear.

>>57916463
I mostly separate my personal experience when rating a region. I think the objective quality of a region and its identity matters far more. Also, the people who created the concept of the region are not the same who actually developed the game, so it feels weird to conflate the two things.
For example, I didn't really enjoy DP because of shitty game design, but Sinnoh is a great region with tons of identity. Good aesthetic, good music, thoroughly thought-out lore etc.
>>57916492
>Why is Galar hated?
Uninspired map design, bad starter selection, extremely unfinished story, boring legendaries. I'd say that's the main points of criticism for most people.

>>57912905 (OP)
Paldea, and it’s not even close. Ugly environments, ugly towns, large empty spaces, bad textures, mid route/area music. Shocked it isn’t the most hated.

Is Emerald really any different than HGSS
Besides the obvious mechanical differences in gens it feels kind of the same to me, stuff like there's just not enough XP to add new pokes between gyms or drop anyone without being sucked into a world of massively underlevelled wild grinded shit. Like I want to level up Anorith to 31 to get protect for Norman's Slaking and it's plain unreasonable.

Are the GBA games untouchable rhetorically

>>57916801
Paldea had strong story, characters and lore which is pretty valuable for a region

>>57916852
The only good character was Arven. Same with the story.

>>57916866
There's a lot of connections between characters which makes it feel like there's actual social circles
And with story I don't really mean characters but more the whole Area Zero lore, it was cool how the book setup all the mysteries about the crater so it felt cool to actually go there in the end

>>57916845
>Are the GBA games untouchable rhetorically
Intelligent criticism has yet to be lodged en masse. The same complaint you have about Protect applies to for example Shroomish Spore, which is obviously intentional and to an appreciable degree justifiable. Also, the existence of exp share and consistently level appropriate encounters makes your complaint moot, because at this point what you're obviously asking for is hyper training or rare candy dispensers. Heck, just writing that I recalled you get a daycare at the 3rd gym. So yeah, ultimately, your complaint is dismissable as just unused to a game that has some reasonable challenge here and there.

>>57916845
You don't need Anorith for Slaking. You have the Dig TM. Try putting it to sleep or setting up beforehand.

>>57912905 (OP)
even with ballot stuffing Hoenn is still the least hated real region

Based on this poll Ohmori needs to step up his game...

>>57915543
>>zoomers
lmao that game is prime zoomercore retard. the dex is just shit

>>57917148
> t. zoomer

>>57917071
>>57917039
I'm mostly saying these kinds of irritations feel like HGSS, not actually complaining seriously for my own sake

Like in BW/B2W2 you get handed a lucky egg pretty early and you can abuse that shaking grass pokemon that gives like ten times as much XP as any other wild pokemon. And the enterlink thing for another XP multiplier. I guess the XP level scaling effect means they can give you those kinds of "I want to catch something up in 15 minutes for a singular purpose at the next gym/the E4/whatever" tools.

I played platinum a couple of years ago and I don't remember having any thoughts about XP ever not being plentiful even without all those systems from gen 5 so it might be as easy as just having the rando trainers have high level evolved pokemon instead of stuff that gives nothing like Emerald/HGSS.

>>57912905 (OP)
In what regard? The layout and design of the region? The regional dex? The NEW pokemon only? Like, I love the design of Kalos, I love the overall Dex of Kalos even if it introduced my least favorite pokemon in the entire franchise in it's NEW pokemon. I love the gym leaders, their designs, the champion and elite 4 designs. But if I'm only talking gameplay, it's too easy at it's base for me to rank highly. Then there is Alola which I love the theme and lots of the designs, but the hand hold-y and forced cutscenes drag it down. Overall?

>>57917185
just like vote the one you don't like bro

>>57912905 (OP)
Bump