What Pokémon game do you think has the best post-game?

>>57913323 (OP)
Single-player only? Objectively Emerald.

>wojak macro up
>every shitty genwar thread bumped to page 1
yep yawnie’s online

>>57913323 (OP)
Is does be like some times

>>57913323 (OP)
White 2 has my favorite post game.

>>57913323 (OP)
XY has my favorite postgame

unpopular opinion, but i liked the delta episode in oras.
aside from that, hgss and emerald are too obvious good choises

>>57913329
pros:
>Better Battle Frontier
cons:
>No rematches besides gym leaders, and once only

>>57913558
>didn't play the game

>>57913558
>muh campaign npc rematches
no one cares except for people who are terrible at the game

>>57913558

>No rematches besides gym leaders, and once only
you can rematch everyone indefinitely

Sinnoh has the best of both worlds, new routes to explore with an extra mini story, battle frontier, tons of legendaries, tons of mechanics to catch previously unobtainable pokemon like swarms, pokeradar etc., rematches, contests.
And additional stuff they didn't have to include but did so anyway because they thought it was cool, like the Villa where you can invite important characters like Cynthia and make her play her theme on the piano

>>57913638
making the entire game shit until the last 10% isn’t “the best of both worlds”

>>57913558
>>No rematches besides gym leaders, and once only
you're thinking of orass xista

>>57913644
You might want to want to get that shit taste checked out m8, might be terminal

yawnshart bread

>>57913323 (OP)
For me HGSS if it had the Regis available without an event. This would allow you to get Regigigas in gen IV without needing to trade from gen III or by getting the event Regigigas

>>57913558
i found out for the first time on vp you can rematch gym leaders in emerald.

until a month ago i thought hg/ss was the first pokemon game to let you do that.

>>57913808
HGSS isn't even the second game to let you do that.

>>57913808
Emerald's rematch system for gym leaders is awful.
>Battle 60 wild pokemon for a 30% chance for a gym leader to call you
>Beat them easy because they are still easier than an elite 4 member
>that gym leader is now lower in priority to call you (rank 2 Roxanne will call you less than rank 1 Wattson)
>each leader has 4 teams
So to get everyone's strongest teams you need 60 wild battles to trigger calls x 4 ranks x 8 leaders + any redundant level 4 rank calls and that is assuming you get a call every 60 battles, So times everything by 3 or 4 to be safe. So 5000+ wild battles to get them all and all you get are trainers who are still 10+ levels weaker than Steven.

HGSS by far, it's not even close

>>57913339
How many years have we been doing this?

part of me still wants a game with every region thanks to expectations set by gen 2

>>57914168
after experiencing empty decrepit kanto i never wanted it again

There is nothing on this Earth like having a place to call home...

>>57914182
my imagined all region game doesn't have that problem

>>57914191
Imagine a world where GameFreak aren't faggots and they make an all region game, you get to choose what region you start in and all that shit

>>57914168
>we will never get a hoenn game that lets us go back to johto
>we will never get a multiregion game ever again

>>57914191
>>57914195
>>57914201
when agi is invented you'll be able to ask your personal agi swarm to create a game that ties together any two regions you want. or even 3 or more.

>>57913323 (OP)
bru the post game is more important than the base content

>>57914182
>he didn't play HGSS

>>57914201
Good.

>>57914216
>not wanting something means i didn't play the game
back to 2nd grade

uh oh the west kanto fags are gonna shit up the thread again

>>57914206
would be cool to throw a prompt in and have an ai shit out any gba game you want.

that's gotta be at least 30+ years away. I check in on multiregion romhacks yearly and they almost always suck ass. changing the story, adding mons from different regions, messing with the stats, etc I would pay good money for a kanto johto hoenn game where the entire regions and storys are complete. but romhackers are so fucking gay. "look guys I added a deoxys event. just talk to this npc named after me with an lgbt hitmonchan in your party and youll be transported to the event! remember you can only get hitmonchan on rainbow road in kanto! haha!"

I understand some liberties have to be taken given the games and stories span across different hardware, but give me a break. stop adding bull shit. stop[changing shit. a vanilla multiregion romhack is the dream.

>>57914222
HGSS restores Kanto, it's only GSC with a gutted Kanto

>>57914231
You'd have to revamp the leveling system for it to not be a giant slog like GSC Kanto was. Otherwise you'll battle Youngsters with level 100s by the 4th region and complain about how unrealistic that is.

>>57914238
right, liberties have to be taken, the creative input of the author matters, and we'll never get a perfect game, but goddamn, you'd think someone by now would have made a nice multiregion game with the basic stories and gameplay still intact. really brings my piss to a boil honestly. romhackers have such high egos they can't let go of their own stupid ideas and mess up an otherwise promising project all the time.

>>57914233
only half true, the land is mostly back but the teams are still dogshit

>>57914258
I've seen a few attempts at it in very old romhacks - the other regions were always almost completely barren save for the gym leaders. Whether it's because they couldn't add everything, were too lazy to finish, or preserve the level curve, it functioned as more or less a boss rush.

B2W2

>>57913323 (OP)
Why is it only pokefags who have a bitchfit over postgame? Never see fans of literally any other game series complain about the lack of postgame.

>>57914281
Gen 2

>>57914259
regular trainers are still shit but the gym leaders got a decent boost

>>57914276
with 32mb on the gba you can absolutely have all 3 regions with very minimal cut content. remove water routes in hoenn, shrink routes and caves by a few steps here and there. remove a building here and there. remove a few trainers, etc

the problem isn't the space, the romhackers don't want to take the time to develop a finely crafted game with good pacing and its just easier to make a game with shallow regions.

>>57914188
>inferior secret base

>>57914259
the original sucks for that reason. but there are hgss romhacks that fix the level curve and i had fun with those

>>57913323 (OP)
If we're going off of content that can only be done post credits then there's Platinum, HGSS, BW2, ORAS, USUM and SV with DLC.

>>57913563
Why would people who are terrible at the game care?

>>57914291
>regular trainers are still shit
wrong, Pokéfan Alex is actually the best random npc trainer in Pokémon history. mega sovl

>>57913323 (OP)
postgame isn't "additional story content", it's "game design that encourages continued play after you've beaten the story".
Battle Frontier for example, it is infinitely replayable.

>>57914298
those are in the game too though

daily reminder

>>57913323 (OP)
I always mean to play them but I get sick of it and drop it before getting through all the super rematches. It's hard to justify changing anything in your hall of fame team but having a static team is boring.
if I were a kid with a GBA or a DS/3DS and I got one game every two years maybe it would seem worthwhile

>>57914149
I wasn't aware of this mechanism.

>>57914182
wise kid

>>57914281
>Never see fans of literally any other game series
yeah
those don't sell tens of millions of copies
the few fans they have consider themselves lucky with scraps

>>57914730
>brooo muh trans genie scavenger hunt and shitty rematches
Plass is barebones dogshit.

>>57915191
It seems to me to be almost exactly the same, just with the long stretches reduced while still having the same layouts. Diglett's Cave is a good concept example. It's the same thing, it's just a bit more condensed.

That being said, not all dungeons should have been removed or truncated, though some like Rock Tunnel absolutely should have since there's no real reason to do the same challenge again.

Top tier
>Viridian Forest
>Seafoam Islands
>Pokémon Mansion
>Unknown Dungeon

Mid tier (should still exist in some capacity but no need to be as large)
>Mt. Moon
>Diglett's Cave
>Rock Tunnel
>Safari Zone (dungeon?)
>Silph Co.
>Victory Road

No real reason to have again
>Rocket Hideout

>>57914730
MY FUARKING HEROES
meira balls

>>57913323 (OP)
USUM and BW2 are pretty close, but I think having slightly more customization makes Alola eek it out barely.

>>57914281
Most RPGs worth a damn have some sort of postgame, or some sort of extensive side activities in the endgame.

They don't complain because those fans are getting what they want. And they aren't having that taken away in a sequel.

>>57914281
>Why is it only pokefags who have a bitchfit over postgame?
it’s the only way to pretend the DS games are good

>>57914281
it makes yawnfag insecure because xy has no postgame because it was rushed and unfinished

>>57914238
How about requiring the player to dump their party in the PC and pick upa new starter?

>>57914675
Agreed

>>57915199
There's more. There's the Volo story, the genies, Giratina, Arceus, a few side quests, Eternal Battle Reverie and that Ingo path thing.

>>57915374
They are good. At least by Pokémon standards.

>>57915609
not really

>>57913323 (OP)
Gen 1, because Pokemon doesn't need a postgame beyond a singular flexmon like Mewtwo, who lets you dab on your friends who haven't yet beaten the game.

Come home white man

Between HGSS (peak Morimoto) and BW(peak Masuda).
Platinum ,B2W2 , and emmerald are the rest of the top 5.

>>57913323 (OP)
BW2 or HGSS. HGSS had a slightly larger postgame, but it also built on GSC and Platinum, while BW2 was all new.

>>57915769
>Translator's Note: "peak" means "zoomer-approved"

>>57915617
Ehh I'd say so. Certainly better than the Switch era.

>>57915826
Actually peak means "at it's best".

>>57916028
You are thinking of "pinnacle"

>>57916025
not really

>>57916191
yea really

>>57916377
not really

>>57916396
yea really

>>57916399
not really

>>57913558
>and once only
You are thinking on Steven
Gym leaders can be rematched infinitely
Another con would be E4 not updating their teams on rematches when FRLG did

>>57915769
>peak morimoto is copy pasting shit, adding useless fluff features and level 50 magikarp to avoid fixing the level curve
sad

>>57915769
>peak Masuda is XY but objectively worse
sad

>>57913323 (OP)
BW2

>>57916423
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57916377
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57916431
You did this first >>57916191

>>57916432
yeah and it isn't parroting anything

thanks for admitting defeat

>>57913323 (OP)
The only post-game I've ever played was Gold and Silver. Nothing else has ever seemed like a "post-game" to me, so I don't even bother. I'll just play a romhack if I want a "challenge"

>57916433
>copy pasting isnt parroting
switchniggers get the rope

>>57916438
I didn't copy/paste anything, schizo
I'm sorry you admitted defeat

>>57916433
>>57916440
You lost retard

>>57916432
>>57916438
You lost retard

>Switchfag is having a melty

>>57916434
Are you implying Kanto was challenging? It always felt like a gimped experience in gen 2. I even spent more time in Crystal's Battle Tower.

>>57916453
>Switchfag
DSfag*

stop replying to yourself to bump your shit thread

>>57913323 (OP)
Top is indisputably better
No one but turbo nerds are going to play a game after the credits.

>>57916470
switchfag literally replying to himself in under 20 seconds is unhinged

>>57916453
>Are you implying Kanto was challenging?
No, I'm implying that the reason people seem to play post-game content is for a challenge. If I want a challenge, I'll play a difficulty romhack.

>>57916485
Pokefags just want more content. They would not be crying about the Battle Tower or the Frontier cheating if they want a challenge

>>57916490
Well, I consider myself someone who "wants more content" and the last time I enjoyed a post-game is Gold and Silver. Like, a battle tower? Why? At that point why not play Showdown or a difficulty romhack? I can't even wrap my mind around it

>>57916497
Streaks. Showdown/Shoddy Battle and good romhacks hardly existed back then
Gen 2 Battle Tower has a unique format but it's easily cheesable

>>57915309
...and Reimu...

>>57913323 (OP)
I only care about battle facilities and daily events these days so I'd say my favorite post-games are Emerald and Platinum's

>FFVII
Gold Saucer
>Bowser's Inside Story
Challenge Node
>Xenoblade X
The majority of the game is post-game
Just a few examples of other JRPG's post-game

>>57913323 (OP)
HGSS are my personal favourite in this regard. Kanto alone is very pleasant to explore but aside from that, I have an option to focus on other activities like Pokeathlon, Battle Frontier and Safari Zone. Meeting gym leaders outside to collect their phone numbers and later battle them is a great addition too - it makes the game's world more lively.

BW2 would be my second pick. They offer a lot of areas to explore allowing you to see what changed after BW1. Additionally, finding strong trainers as well as legendaries is fun and I actually really like World Tournament and White Treehollow/Black Tower. They are much more interesting than Battle Frontier.

DPP and BW are good for similar reasons. I am really fond of an idea of traversing new places after credits.
FRLG have Sevii Island and I like them as well but they are inferior to DPP's Battle Zone or BW's postgame Unova.
SM don't really expand Alola much after credits but you can find out a TON of new stuff if you go back to previous locations. The game's world benefits greatly from it.
XY are relatively poor in terms of postgame content but I like Looker's storyline. ORAS are better - aside from postcredits storyline, you can focus on collecting legendaries, winning contests, playing more with secret bases and finding out some optional stuff (e.g. meeting Winona on top of Mauville).
GSC have additional (even if simplified) region to explore so I like their postgame.

I don't care about RSE and RBY postgames. Battle facilities get boring fast and Cerulan Cave is suffering to explore.

Yea, I know some of the stuff listed is not postgame exclusive but I don't spend dozens of hours on Pokestar Studios or Pokeathlon in the main game.

>>57913323 (OP)
Super Mystery Dungeon, but even if the post game is shorter I like Explorers of Sky more.

>>57914281
>why do CoD fags complain about gun mechanics?
Maybe because the games have robust post games before?

I wouldnt mind a lack of postgame, if the maingame wasnt so shit nowadays.

>>57916560
>Maybe because the games had pointless railroading before?

>>57916624
The entire series has had linear gameplay progression, it's a part of the gameplay loop. Complain all you want but you're just bitching to the void if you think that's poignant in the discussion for post-game expectations.

>>57914730
the right half of this image is full of good games

>>57916695
>The entire series has had linear gameplay progression,
no they didn't

>>57916715
RSE belongs on the right.

>>57916715
>the best part of gen 2 is until Ecruteak, which follows the right side of the pic

>>57916709
not when it contains the worst game in the entire image, plass.

>>57916730
>>the best part of gen 2 is [FANFIC]

>>57916730
>>the best part of gen 2 is until Ecruteak
i never thought of it that way before but yea, i think that is the part i enjoy the most each time.

>>57915607
>1 shitty fight you can do if you see every uglymon in the dex
>trans genie fetch quest
>tower clone worse than the one in crystal
nice

>>57916715
Not that anon but I'm giving my two cents.

Gen 1 allows you to either proceed west of Celadon or south of Lavender after getting Poke Flute.
Gen 2 gives you a choice to either go to Olivine or Mahogany after Ecruteak.
You are both partially right about first two generations. You technically have a choice but it's not significant enough to really care. Also, no idea what gen 3 is doing on the left. You are going in linear circles in Hoenn.

>>57916914
gen 3 is on the left because people speak positively of emerald and it's a "gen 5 bad" image

>>57916934
gen 3 is on the left because it’s not linear like unova.

Overall? HGSS and it's not even close. It's got basically anything you could possibly want.
First versions only? BW but given the rest of the competition has some major flaw, functionally doesn't exist, or is GS which comes close but technical limitations are miserable that's not really a compelling competition.
Emerald and B2W2 are strong contenders, Platinum has no compelling reason to play it over HGSS, FRLG is interesting but the borderline experimental map design would have fit better in eastern Hoenn, base DP and SM attempt something but the game itself hinders it, USUM doesn't do enough there but the main game and side content during it make up for it in my opinion, and the rest either aren't worth noting or you have to pay 30 bucks on top of the 60 you already paid for a game that probably wasn't worth the base price.

>>57916941
based

>>57916730
T R V K E
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>>57916941
XY has more postgame than BW.

>>57916938
backtracking is still linear

>>57916745
Rocket HQ fucks the momentum up.

>>57916946
XY is a bad combination of being the worst post-game outside of maybe Gen 1 and RS, and also suffering from the same problem as Platinum where ORAS is just better than it in every way. Like, it has the Battle Institute which is in BW, the one new restaurant which is the same as all the others and also Battle Institute, an item hunt like BW, the worst part of roaming legendary hunts, a single room with a legendary in it now, a single room with a legendary that's in a cave you might have already visited so it's miserable either way you do it, a post-game story that is something I guess, one (1) inverse battle a day, some of the worst rematches in the franchise, and the worst Battle Tower clone in the series until SS because the AI is so bad it becomes mash A easy on almost every format. I'd take BW's few interesting dungeons and reasonable routes over basically all of that, let alone Royal Unova at least providing some minor spectacle. And if you really want all of that ORAS has basically everything but better and also actually fun shit to do even if it's slightly hampered by the lack of online. XY doesn't even have online like BW does either, which according to that one insane person on this site is what the post-game should be. I guess if your only requirement is "more" then XY maybe fits but even that's dubious as even Gen 1 technically has infinite post-game, but this seems like a huge case of unlimited video games and no video games. But since OP asked about "best" rather than "most" the point is moot.

>>57916983
>XY is a bad combination of being the worst post-game outside of maybe Gen 1 and RS,
XY’s postgame is literally just BW’s but with Triple and Rotation battles added in. You sound like a schizo with standards this inconsistent.

>>57916998
he literally just outlined all the myriad ways you are wrong. try reading past the first comma next time

>>57916963
u need to do it right after ecruteak to not want to kill yourself after

>>57917002
I literally just outlined the myriad of ways he’s wrong. try reading the post next time.

>>57917011
ok kalosperm

>>57913323 (OP)
HGSS. An entire second region with 8 more gyms, a full battle frontier, new safari zone content, more legendaries to catch, the Red boss fight, mount silver, cerulean cave,gym leader rematches, E4 rematch with new, stronger teams.

>>57916963
Why do people hate the Rocket HQ anyway? I always thought it was a really cool dungeon. People always say it's shit but they never explain why

>>57916032
Peak and pinnacle can mean the same thing. Often times you'll see history experts say "Worldleader at the peak/apex/pinnacle of power" or some shit. All three words can also mean the top.

>>57916191
Why is it not really?

>>57916423
Only things worse than XY are things that came after + Gen 1.

>>57916474
And yet even casual gamers play this shit post game.

>>57916946
If we're talking strictly by content locked until after the credits, then no.

>>57917188
XY has less of everything than BW

>>57916998
And less legendaries, less exploration and a shorter, easier story.

Plus the Maison is often regarded as easier than the Subway.

>>57916941
>Platinum has no compelling reason to play it over HGSS
au contraire, there is no reason to play HGSS over Platinum

>>57917188
Nope.

>>57917190
Nope.

>>57917192
> And less legendaries,
BW has less fairy types. I guess that means the postgame is worse.

> less exploration
The exploration is the same.

>and a shorter, easier story
22 > 18
The difficulty is the same.

>Plus the Maison is often regarded as easier than the Subway
The difficulty is the same. The Maison is the same thing except with more content.

>>57917196
bruh, just go to the xy subreddit if you want to waste everyone's time talking about it so badly

>>57917195
Battle Zone > Kanto

>>57917196
there's a reason xy is one of the least popular pokemon titles on vp. it's time to accept that.

>>57916715
I do not believe letting you choose to do gym #5 or #6 first and then funneling you back into the same linear route is good enough to not be considered linear. Mother 3 does not get called non-linear just because of chapter 7, it's 100% linear chpt 1-6 and then again in the finale.

>>57917207
kanto makes me nostalgic whereas battle zone is gay and i never even bothered with it!

>>57917298
>I do not believe letting you choose to do gym #5 or #6 first and then funneling you back into the same linear route is good enough to not be considered linear
good thing the early gens don't do that then

>>57916998
>literally just BW
XY has less new maps overall, less new dungeons very specifically, and less difficult Elite 4 rematches. I'd consider that more considerable content than just a single story that's one and done.
>Triples
At best slows the game down dramatically because the 3DS has trouble displaying 2 Pokemon let alone 6, and and at worst you can't lose if you use a specific team. This also works basically the same in Doubles, so Battle Maison Doubles are worse than Battle Subway Doubles.
>Rotations
At best the same as above, at worst True Ant can make the battle dramatically easier but it's not Singles level bad. Speaking of, Battle Maison Singles are completely fucked by True Ant which is absent from BW unless you go out of your way to get one on the GTS or hack it in, and the only difference with B2W2 is that it required the now dead Dream World which I find really interesting that killing off content somehow improved things in this one specific way.
XY is also missing WiFi mode in the Battle Maison compared to the Battle Subway, which was a standard in every Pokemon game to have online including Crystal, so it's a really weird omission even if for XY specifically it wouldn't work anymore anyway.

SV and it's not even close. You got a shiny Rayquaza from a raid. Doesn't get any better than that.

>>57917333
>XY has less new maps overall
nope

>less new dungeons very specifically
nope

>and less difficult Elite 4 rematches
nope

>At best slows the game down dramatically
now you're moving goalposts to talking about performance instead of content because you realized you don't actually have an argument

>because the 3DS has trouble displaying 2 Pokemon
no it doesn't

>This also works basically the same in Doubles
no it doesn't

>At best the same as above, at worst True Ant can make the battle dramatically easier
using any optimized team can make the battle dramatically easier, therefore the difficulty is the same as BW except there's more content

>XY is also missing WiFi mode
which is completely worthless because it's just singles

>>57917359
>nuh uh

>>57917359
>nope
Name 14 maps that are only post-game
>nope
Name 2 dungeons that are only post-game
>nope
Could you please elaborate on this, I'm absolutely baffled by this because it's not remotely based in reality.
>now you're moving goalposts to talking about performance instead of content because you realized you don't actually have an argument
"Best" consists of the entire experience of playing, which is a huge part of it. I was going to mention that Gen 4 Multis are probably the single most miserable Battle Tower format until you replied, and that's entirely to do with the experience of actually playing it rather than the mechanics. It's also part of why Platinum loses to HGSS, the minor improvements to performance and game speed in general is very nice, shame that multiplayer has to exist for the lowest common denominator of DP.
>no it doesn't
https://youtu.be/SLTtYTzVOPw?feature=shared&t=193
>no it doesn't
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-maison-discussion-records.3492706/
Both Doubles and Triples have a large amount of FEAR teams, as observed by Aron being in both. Again, basically the same concept, some Pokemon can even transfer between them.
>using any optimized team can make the battle dramatically easier, therefore the difficulty is the same as BW except there's more content
Technically true, but this is a game where like half the formats are insanely easy to the point of it being basically impossible it's a huge knock against it to include something that basically turns a Pokemon off that also makes a different format completely worse.
>which is completely worthless because it's just singles
Different Pokemon pool, that changes a lot.
Fun Fact: XY copy-pasted a bunch of text from BW for the Battle Maison, but it was translated differently because TPCi got better at translating. XY does have the first and to my understanding only transexual character in Pokemon so congratulations I guess.

>>57917196
Actually the Maison is easier. It has really stupid AI, stupider than any battle facility that came before it. Plus the pool of Pokémon in Supers is unfortunately pretty weak.

>>57917414
that was BW

>>57917424
>Literally says he's a guy in the first line
Not remotely the same thing, retard

>>57917428
speaking from experience?

>>57917403
>yuh huh

>>57917414
>Name 14 maps that are only post-game
Now you're moving goalposts to "only" because you realized you don't actually have an argument

>Name 2 dungeons that are only post-game
Now you're moving goalposts to "only" because you realized you don't actually have an argument

>Could you please elaborate on this,
in BW I mash A to sweep the E4
in XY I mash A to sweep the E4
the difficulty is identical.

>consists of the entire experience of playing
Me being able to experience the content is better than me not being able to experience the content because it doesn't exist.

>shill video
Not watching it.

>Both Doubles and Triples have a large amount of FEAR teams,
>but this is a game where like half the formats are insanely easy
using any optimized team can make the battle dramatically easier, therefore the difficulty is the same as BW except there's more content

>Different Pokemon pool, that changes a lot
Not really.
Fun fact: XY made triple and rotation battles more relevant than the game they debuted in

>>57917414
>Name 14 maps that are only post-game
1. Killoude City
2. Friend Safari
3. Battle Maison
4. Unknown Dungeon
5. The final room of Terminus Cave
Uhhhhhhh
>Name 2 dungeons that are only post-game
1. Unknown Dungeon
2. Does a single previously inaccessible room in a dungeon you already had count?
>Could you please elaborate on this, I'm absolutely baffled by this because it's not remotely based in reality.
Unironically the easiest rematches. Should've had full teams with Megas.

>>57917424
Pretending to be a woman to get a job ≠ transexual

>>57917453
i hope "she" sees this bro

>>57917432
>Now you're moving goalposts to "only" because you realized you don't actually have an argument
I replied to a statement saying >>57916998
>XY’s postgame is literally just BW’s
so I assumed when I replied to it it was assumed I was talking about the post-game being different. Sorry I moved the goalpost to the entire game accidentally, but since I moved it back in the later post then we're all good.
>the difficulty is identical.
Incorrect, in the BW rematches you mash A for 30 Pokemon's worth, in the XY rematches you mash A for at most 16 Pokemon's worth.
>Me being able to experience the content is better than me not being able to experience the content because it doesn't exist.
You might be the only person on earth to enjoy the Battle Palace, god rest your soul if you even have one.
>Not watching it.
Okay, open up XY and note every time frames drop in a completely normal battle. This is especially true when it does anything other than the default camera angle, or an attack happens, or if the Pokemon is particularly high poly, or for no apparent reason occasionally.
>using any optimized team can make the battle dramatically easier, therefore the difficulty is the same as BW except there's more content
If you truly believe that I don't know what else I can say, sorry you can't enjoy how good USUM is.
>Not really.
I mean there's a lot of Pokemon copy-pasted between games so even seeing something new and unexpected that you can't look up on a wiki is something at least. There was a thread literally complaining about exactly that with some streamer and the Battle Factory the other day.
You just sound like a miserable fucking person, which given you enjoy XY that's not really unexpected. I hope somebody makes a romhack or fangame with more Battle Tower versions than any other game but makes it completely miserable to experience and also insanely easy because that might actually keep you from posting on /vp/ to do something you actually enjoy.

>>57917432
The argument was always post game only fuckwad. Can't you read?

>>57917462
>I replied to a statement saying
And you moved goalposts to "only" because you realized you don't actually have an argument.

>Incorrect, in the BW rematches you mash A for 30 Pokemon's worth, in the XY rematches you mash A for at most 16 Pokemon's worth.
i.e. the difficulty is identical.

>You might be the only person on earth to enjoy the Battle Palace, god rest your soul if you even have one.
The content existing is better than the content not existing. Also nice job moving goalposts again since you realized you utterly failed to prove not having triple and rotation battles is somehow better.

>Okay, open up XY and note every time frames drop in a completely normal battle.
Okay, make a fucking argument instead of trying to get others to prove your shitposts for you.

>sorry you can't enjoy how good USUM is.
sorry you can't enjoy how good XY is.

>so even seeing something new and unexpected that you can't look up on a wiki is something at least
Not really. The gameplay is fucking identical to just playing singles.

>>57917470
>The argument was always post game only
No it wasn't. He said "only" because he realized his argument gets completely shat on if I simply don't do content until the credits because XY doesn't have as much pointless railroading as BW.

>>57913323 (OP)
Give me the battle frontier before the credits with nothing new after and I would still be happy.
>>57914281
I caught these pokemon to use them, not to let them sit them in the PC. I really had fun using them, and I'd like to use them more. Not sure why this is such a foreign concept on here

>>57917176
Not really, most players do not finish the main game. That is true for most games.

>>57917487
>No it wasn't. He said "only" because he realized his argument gets completely shat on if I simply don't do content until the credits because XY doesn't have as much pointless railroading as BW.
Someone clearly can't read. Also inaccurate. Play the fucking games.

>>57917521
Depends on the person and the game. Everyone has tastes.

>>57917487
>XY doesn't have as much pointless railroading as BW
That's demonstrably untrue, XY has dramatically more railroading simply because there's less optional areas in general. There's like 5 of them in the entire game. But as you say, the game isn't better because it's behind some arbitrary barrier or not, so stop moving the goalpost.

>>57917487
>Okay, make a fucking argument instead of trying to get others to prove your shitposts for you.
>Won't accept video evidence
>Won't do it himself
What the fuck do you want?
>The gameplay is fucking identical to just playing singles.
That's not only incorrect, if you follow that line of logic it's all just battling outside of shit like Trainer Tower, Battle Pyramid, or Black Tower/White Treehollow.

>>57917487
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57917548
>Someone clearly can't read
Stop projecting.
>Also inaccurate
Nope.
>Play the fucking games
You first.

>>57917560
>That's demonstrably untrue
No it isn't.

>XY has dramatically more railroading simply because there's less optional areas in general
I can stop playing XY halfway through and pretend the remaining routes are "optional" too.

>>57917570
>Won't accept video evidence
You didn't post video evidence. You posted a link to shill your channel.

>What the fuck do you want?
For you to make an argument.

>That's not only incorrect
It isn't incorrect.

>it's all just battling
No, because the other formats have different rules. Downloading shitty teams online and letting an AI control them isn't any different from just doing Subway singles.

I would rather have a 50 hour main story than a 10 hour main story and 40 hours of post game stuff

>>57917304
Kanto is boring and makes me feel like i'm playing an asset flip, battle zone on your first playthrough feels at least like new content

>>57913323 (OP)
HGSS

>>57913323 (OP)
Unova

Postgamefags need to get shot

>>57920866
kalosperm cope

Why did GF give up with Kalos' post game?

>>57921852
because >>57920866 will buy it anyway

>>57921856
The latest Pokemon game I played was USUM back when it released

>>57913323 (OP)
Explorers of Time/Sky.
It's the proper definition of post-game. It didn't feel like they cut off any stuff from the main story to put it as post-game. It's lengthy enough and standalone on its own.

>>57913323 (OP)
I miss the frontier so bad bros

>>57921852
Postgame doesn't matter when the main game's experience is bland
As a kid i replayed Ruby and Sapphire a thousand times because the campaign was just so fun and didn't care that the Frontier wasn't there yet, and sometimes I still go back to it, remember all the great music, memorable locations etc.

>More complex, difficult game content that doesn't adhere to a narrative appears after credits indicating the conclusion to said narrative
Why don't they put the credits after getting a 100 win streak in a battle facility or getting all the gold symbols/prints or completing the National Pokédex? Why is the Unknown Dungeon + Mewtwo AFTER the League?

It's almost like more difficult game content exists separately to the "main" narrative, and when it doesn't, you're left with only the main narrative which typically doesn't offer the same level of depth or challenge as the content placed AFTER the credits.

>>57923381
Except Unova's postgame has exactly the same gameplay as the campaign.

>here's your complex difficult route that totally had to be after the credits bro

>>57913329
>OOOOOOOO they put in a tiny island with a buildings where you can grind for hours doing the same thing over and over
Emeraldfags are hopelessly retarded

>>57924126
>OOOOOOOO they put in a tiny island with buildings with infinitely replayable challenging content

Yeah? Sounds better than the “have some piss easy routes we roadblocked you from accessing before for literally no reason that you won’t have a reason to ever revisit” approach gen 5 took

>>57917487
>his argument gets completely shat on if I simply don't do content until the credits
how does the argument get completely shat on when theres a ton of optional shit in BW that you can also skip until postgame?

>>57924157
>theres a ton of optional shit in BW
not really

>>57923770
now post route 14, little faggot.

>>57924185
you mean the route that’s in bw2’s campaign hence proving it didn’t need to be postgame?

I really wanna play the Battle Frontier but my autismo never lets me play through the enhanced editions over the vanilla games.

>>57913323 (OP)
SV, Kitakami mogs.
>b-b-b-
Nah sorry the DS games are terrible. Their post games are half assed.

>>57924197
>BW2
$34.99 game with 200+ hours of content
>SV
that'll be $60 + $30 DLC + tax + tip for a shitty 90 hour "story"

>>57924179
There is.

>>57924190
Ok grandpa

>>57924197
Lol Scat Vomit is the most undercooked game in the series and the DLC is overpriced dogshit that amounts to a few story missions you can’t replay

>>57924140
>One location with infinite challenging battles is amazing!! Its not like there's a shitton of other areas in the game where you can do the exact same thing like routes with wild encounters which you can face with underlevelled mons!!

>>57915191
This is why HGSS are the best versions of Kanto.

>>57913323 (OP)
Bw2

>>57916715
>Gen 2 didn't have pointless railroading and it had a great postgame
Damn, why are the Switch gens so poorly designed?

>>57918757
BW's postgame has some really funky level scaling, it's like the opposite of GSC where instead of everything in Kanto being so weak that it's actually perfect for bringing the trade Aerodactyl up to speed, everything after the Ghetsis fight in BW is extremely overleveled.

>>57924409
Indeed. It's very difficult to be overleveled for them.

>>57914182
>>57915191
Hey look, the antigen 2 discord kiddie are back. You think they would have ran after getting embarrassed last time.

>>57924207
>>57924238
Have you tried just not being poor lol I could flush $90 down the toilet if I wanted I make 100000 times that a year
LMAO I COULD FUCKING BUY YOU THIRD WORLD SLAVE FAGGOTS

>>57924274
Looking at Cerulean City, Saffron City, Celadon City and Vermilion City, they really should just be one big city at that point, maybe just separate districts of the same big city

>>57924800
This is how you get into severe crippling debt, good luck with that retard

>>57924800
>pay more for less
i could, but why should i?

>>57924409
>>57924489
>mfw I get blindsided by Infielder Todd's level 67 Bisharp after having a bit of trouble with Ghetsis' level 54 Hydreigon

>>57913323 (OP)
Black & White

>>57913323 (OP)
Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon

>>57913323 (OP)
>>57926105
Why are there two threads on this?

>>57924195
If you've played the games before what's stopping you from just playing Emerald or Platinum on a replay?

>>57927991
True

>>57913323 (OP)
Not reading the rest of the thread but the reason a more robust post-game with a shorter campaign is better than a more robust campaign with no post-game is because the campaign needs to be balanced around a linear level of progression and limited options as well as be generally approachable enough that any paying costumer can get by without much trouble so they feel like they had a satisfying experience upon reaching the credits.
The post-game, by contrast, can really be designed for the freaks willing to put hours and hours into the game, getting steamrolled by difficult battles and experimenting with everything available to them since they're now free to gather Pokemon from anywhere on the map, as well as get deeper into breeding and EV training.
The campaign can never host that kind of content cause it turns people who just wanna beat the game casually away, so the smaller the post-game the less content there is to satiate players who do like the grind and the challenge.

>>57913323 (OP)
My favorite

>>57929485
>The post-game, by contrast, can really be designed for the freaks willing to put hours and hours into the game, getting steamrolled by difficult battles

>>57930764
Where do you think this filler trainer with absurdly high level Pokemon should go if not the post-game?

>>57930845
>half a team of bug Pokémon in their 60s, one of which isn't fully evolved and another isn't evolved at all, the last being a Mothim
>absurdly high level

>>57930764
NOT THE METAPOD

>>57930764
>unova shills will screech about bugsy using metapod but will claim this is the best postgame content ever

>>57913329
fpbp

>>57932396
Only because it runs at 60fps. Platinum's and HGSS' postgames are objectively better but I can't stand playing 30fps games.

>>57932433
worse battle frontier makes them worse than emerald by default

>>57932499
people only care about the factory anyway

>>57924800
I wish I just had $90 lying around. I'm stuck with a dead end job that only pays $25k a year

>>57930764
To be honest. This is one of many trainers. Most others at the very least have fully evolved teams.

>>57913323 (OP)
As a Gen 4 child, HGSS (and GSC, would be heresy here if I didn't say it) and Platinum. Emerald and B2W2 take second.

>>57932720
The way to have more money is to spend LESS money on stupid bullshit. These people going "lmao what are you, poor" spend every cent they get and will never retire

BW2

>>57913323 (OP)
I really like FRLGs Sevii Islands

I never bought into the idea that Kanto was Gen 2 post game, it was just the rest of the fucking game after a credits fake out.

Platinum

>>57914201
Want Hoenn with Johto? Play KittyPBoxx GBAXG Map Randomizer. It has FireRed, CrystalDust, and Emerald. You can turn the map randomizing off if you want and use a menu to change regions at will. (Which without the map randomizer on, is the only way to change regions.

I think Pokemon Revolution Online has Johto and Hoenn and other regions, but you start in Kanto. PokeMMO might let you choose your region, Idk too much about it.

>>57914168
I think both Pokemon Revolution Online and PokeMMO did this, right? (Well, at least for almost all the 2D era games.)

>>57916715
Ummmm what about gen 4?

>>57935513
Doesn't count

>>57924409
I remember being caught off-guard and btfo'd by pic-related inside Challenger's Cave in BW. Switching in was painful because of set mode + the opponent being overleveled like you said. Good times.

>>57936800
I wish I was terrible at pokemon games so I could experience this